Sometimes they do admit they were wrong though, but not because they're actually sorry or understanding what they did wrong, but because they can use a fake apology or a fake admission of guilt to keep manipulating the people around them.
I love how a strong, independent and outspoken woman was told to change her whole personality and opinions by the corporate men at Disney and she immediately obliged
Not only was Zegler coached and told what to say, notice how the makeup she's wearing has softened her features a bit more, to say nothing of lightening her skin tone a lot, and her hair is much darker, longer, more feminine. Combined with the dark dress, it emphasizes her lighter skin tone even more. It's as if Disney is trying to go, "See, she looks just like Snow White. Those bigots are just crazy."
lol It’s crazy but not really when you think about how much money is involved. Disney is essentially doing what attorneys do everyday. Lol Aka we wanna win the case (profitable movie) so we’ll change everything about her for it. I can understand her being coached to show the original movie respect but them purposely making her look white is hilarious. Looks like she folded like a lawn chair.
I noticed her complexion was much lighter as well but that was never really the issue for me. Hell, the make up and fx people could turn her into an albino if they really wanted to, but they've missed the whole point of people's antipathy towards her. No, the problem was a matter of personality and no amount of make up can disguise arrogance. It's a shame, she's genuinely very pretty and could probably have made for a convincing Snow White, but she's blown it really.
Bailey enjoyed being the Little Mermaid and liked the cartoon. The only response would have been to people criticizing her race, other than that she had no reason to dump on the cartoon or her costars.
She said that she liked hers better and that she supported the wokeness of her movie and blamed any reasonable and correct thing said about her movie and the fact that she’s black when knowing that Ariel isn’t black
@superduperfanman2761 🙄 she never said she supported the "wokeness" of the movie, she said she loved the plot of the film. She only ever critized people who dumped on her for being black...which was true, there were and are plenty of people who made derogatory remarks about her race.
@@deborahminter6231 she did u clearly didn’t watch the interview I’m talking about but whatever ik what I’m talking about and she took the role knowing she don’t look a damn thing like Ariel
The thing is, Snow White is an evergreen story. It's not dated because- surprise!- women still fall in love (we always have) and we often still take on domestic roles (we always have and never stopped). Snow White is treated with the utmost reverence by the seven dwarves and she basically takes over and transforms an unsettled household into a home. If Disney wanted to "modernize" Snow White, they could simply develop Snow and the prince more thoroughly and actually add the process of them falling in love. Maybe the prince saves her due to competence (because, another surprise, women actually love when men are competent) and maybe Snow possess a little more savvy than what is portrayed in the original. We can amplify stories through adaptation... not tear them down. Hollywood is missing opportunities left and right, then trashing the audience because we want actual depth. Instead we get *literal* skin-deep drivel. And Zegler is full of it. She's trying to change course as a PR stunt. Hopefully people stop throwing money at these horrible movies (the only part where audiences can actually be blamed- we need to stop funding this stuff).
Snow White is about finding true love, for both men and women. Snow White is not about empowerment. If you want a story about empowerment, write another story.
thats why, imo, the cinderella remake is still the best remake for disney (not like the bar is very high). In the OG Disney cinderella movie, it had a lot of cutaways with the mice as a type of comedy break, while in the remake they stepped away from the animals and mice and gave more of a story to the prince and Cinderella which worked out. Just like you said, they could step away from the animal parts in this remake and add in extra scenes for the prince and snow white, but that would be asking too much from disney.
In my opinion, the core concept of Snow White is that TRUE beauty comes from within. The Queen wants Snow's looks, but is a villain because she is completely unaware that people would love Snow even if she was hideous, and they would hate her own tyranny no matter what she looked like. And the Queen's obsession slowly consumes her. Snow, on the other hand, works hard to return the kindness given her by the dwarves, and is so innocent and giving that even an assassin can't bring himself to end her. If she had only been left alone, she would never have thought of the Queen again. Her beauty is a spring that wells up inside her endlessly. I find it highly ironic that the person they hired to pretend to be Snow White is actually behaving exactly like the Queen. Zegler is arrogant, dismissive, and even cruel to her co-stars. When anyone challenges her, she tries to destroy them violently. Everything has to be about her and how awesome everyone is supposed to think she is. I find it hilarious that Disney doesn't even seem to REALIZE that they've made something exactly the opposite of what they claim.
The thing with Snow White taking on that domestic role is, I never really thought of it as her doing women's work. The way I saw it, she turned the skills she learned as a victim of abuse into a means of survival. Which is pretty empowering in its own way.
That part of developing the prince more into a proper character is what made The Little Mermaid revolutionary in 1989. Yes, it was Disney going back to its roots with an adaptation of a fairy tale, but the fairy tale was updated in a smart and considerate way. It doesn't bother me that the little mermaid doesn't die at the end, just like it doesn't bother me that nobody dies in Hunchback of Notre Dame. Stories and the retelling of stories evolves as culture evolves, and hypothetically, there's nothing wrong with that. It's all dependent on execution though, and recently Disney has been blowing it. The Disney remakes are universally shit because they prioritize what they perceive as political correctness over quality storytelling. And now the chickens are _finally_ coming home to roost. Yes it bothers me that Lion King and Beauty and the Beast remakes made billions, how could you tell.
@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ I didn't see it, but most of the people with good things to say about her in that movie were talking about her singing. Maybe she should have gone with music instead of acting as a career?
The one line of Zeigler's that always stuck out to me most was "she's not going to be looking for true love", because man how perfectly does that contrast Disney's absolute nihilism of today versus the Disney of the past. Akin to "you will own nothing and you'll be happy", this is "you'll believe in nothing and you'll be happy". O Brave New World, I need some more soma...
Rachel Zegler is a perfect example of the Hollywood bubble. For the past several years, she has been in Hollywood getting praised for saying all the things she said in interviews. Then was genuinely confused when she was getting flack for the things she had been saying for months at that point.
I’d also say that the people who care enough to make backlash videos or tweets are mostly men who spend to much time on the internet and don’t like women much lol
Henry Cavill is an example of someone who, even when he's in something that disrespects the source material, earns the love and loyalty of the fans through his own love and respect for the material and its fans.
I find interesting that there’s quite a bit of disdain for people in show business who show some ballsiness and honesty with their opinions instead of people who just ride the line and don’t upset the apple cart and say “yeah this and that is great and has no flaws at all”. I haven’t seen the full interview about what she said about Snow White but was what she said that controversial?
@@jgunner94Yelling that the original fairy tale and one of the most significant cartoons of the history of animation are "wrong and don't belong in this day and age" is wrong, regardless of context. It is like spilling soup on a precious painting - even what you are trying to achieve is right, you are still wrong and deserve no sympathy.
@@jgunner94 while her outspoken attitude could be praised at times, the problem is that she really doesn't know the time and place for it. Like, yeah you can criticize Snow White, or dislike Disney Princesses, in fact, many celebrities have said those and they never get many criticism. What ridiculous is the fact that she complain those things when she's supposed to be playing one of them in big screen. It's like as if a marketing agent from Apple directly said to a customer they currently help how they always hated Apple's product, and that they've been using Samsung their whole life. It's just doesn't make sense, AND disrespect those that actually love the product
Let’s all give thanks to the Variety red carpet interviewer that always gives us these gems. Unknowingly showing us that Hollywood is vapid and useless.
I blame the internet and technology for a lot of the stuff we were never meant to know, but even back in the day, words were more measured on those appearances which still exist today - such as the Red Carpet.
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain Zegler is a prime example.
Remember that scene in the Addams Family, when the summer camp councilors locked Wednesday in a little shack and forced her to watch wholesome cartoons for 24 hours straight, and she came out all weird and managed a creepy psychopathic smile? I think Disney did that to Zegler. She disappered for a few weeks and isn't acting or talking the same at all. They hypnotized her and reprogrammed her brain.
The 'interview' with the Mermaid actress was such a joke. It was literally a struggle session where they smugly agreed that they were 'better' than those evil racist haters and rejoice in how 'graceful' they were being by not calling out the evil racist haters.
But to the average person who doesn't know the story and is looking at it from afar, they'll see two actresses being 'strong' by calling out online hate speech which automatically absolves them of 95% of any criticism. That's how the game has been played over the last few years, paint yourself as a vulnerable person (obviously helps if you're female, a minority or both), wait for some vague form of hate speech to come your way (I imagine there is likely some vile stuff that has been said about these films which absolutely should be highlighted as wrong), and then run with the idea that all criticism is therefore coming from a place of hate and run off various '-ist'/'-ism' words to garner sympathy for yourself from those who just want to watch a Disney movie with their kids
There were moments when Fake Ariel couldn't keep a straight face. There were a few moments when Ziegler was talking that she just about rolled her eyeswhile smirking. It was pretty bad acting from both of 'em.
Her clothes, her hair, her body language, her voice's tone and timbre, her words and thoughts, and the response of the other diverse adult pretender are all crafted by design to try and enchant the public to save the movie. Screw Disney and Screw this movie!
The clothing and styling choices are interesting. It looks like every effort has been made to make Rachel Zegler's skin tone look lighter, including making Halle Bailey's look darker. Zegler's face has been framed with jet black hair (formerly brown), and her clothing is deep black, except for white stockings (which make her legs white). All this makes her skin tone look very light. Further, it may just be the lighting, but even her makeup looks lighter. Conversely, Halle Bailey has her hair well away from her face, a white top, and black boots, which all combine to give the impression of a darker skin tone. Similarly, Zegler is 'dressed up', and Bailey looking casual makes Zegler look even more 'dressy'.
I just finished the video and it's interesting that at 4:20, Halle Bailey, during promotions of her own film, got the same treatment. Black hair around the face, black clothing/top.
Zegler was so clearly coached on exactly what to say. Notice how what she's saying doesn't sound even remotely natural now, and how she's clearly pausing to remember what she was told to say. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if her saying it's the reason she and Halle "get to sit there today" is essentially a stern reminder from her employer that essentially means "Don't ever insult our products again. We replaced the dwarves and we can replace you too."
@@waltercomunello121Yeah. I guess it's easy to get an inflated ego when you're cast to star in the OG Disney movie, but Disney has dumped and replaced far more famous actors and actresses than her. They had no problem dropping Terrence Howard and Gina Carano, and the former starred in Hustle & Flow and the latter portrayed one of about 5 universally liked characters from Disney Star Wars; they'd have no problem dropping a lady whose best role up until now was a bit part in West Side Story.
You can tell by her uncomfortable demeanour and change in voice tone, that she absolutely hates having to do this, and comes across completely disingenuous. Just pull the plug Disney, she’s done.
Like, it feels like they're assuming we're going to suddenly forget everything she's said before this interview as if it never happened. We all know what she really thinks of Snow White, how ignorant she is of the source material and hard work put into the OG film, and she will never be the one who deserves the role. As a mixed person, this also goes for the fact that it still feels wrong to race swap a German princess for literally no reason other than to try to score brownie points. Just make us new princesses who're different races and stick to the source material when it comes to classic fairytales. Idk why it's so hard for Disney to make new content now
Initially People weren't as mad with her casting as they were with the casting of the dwarfs. But the benevolent Rachel decided to take it all on her. She saved the dwarfs from public backlash. What a noble soul.
It’s funny because that picture circulating wasn’t accurate and was like a fan made thing (the one with different races and all normal heighted ppl) but weirdos took it and ran w it.
People were still pretty mad because while Rachel isn't bad looking, she's Latina and snow white was literally described as having "white as snow" skin.
Absolute Deflection. She showed us who she was when she thought there were no stakes. As the saying goes: "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."
@@davidbrown5955 i mean if i was Disney right now i won't even hire her again for future projects. Essentially, make her an example to upcoming movie stars, on what happens if you piss-off not only the fans but the company your working with. I mean there are certain and i quote unintended "publicity stunt" that you can and can't due on live camera least of all crapping on the companies legacy, and crapping on the fans of said legacy, that been around longer then she was ever born. But again this is modern day Disney were talking about, they just don't want anymore bad publicity for there brand to stay nice and shiny for everyone, and milk the success of there predecessors for cash.
That was funny. But you know, Hollywood is filled with narcissistic pimps, thieves and sharks willing to push their mothers off a cliff for some fame. Every emotion holds little weight when they speak to the public and who knows what they truly feel. It seems like there are very few decent people in that cess pool, but it its fun to watch the car crash that is Hollywood.
She refers to the story as being 80 years old, which refers to the original Disney movie, which is based on the story published by the Brothers Grimm in Germany in 1857, which itself is based on a publication in 1812 and the first known origins of the fairytale are in 18th century German states. But it might be much older. The interpretation of the source material is difficult and full of different layers, while she viewed it solely through the eyes of a shallow Hollywood starlet in 2023. People did not get upset about her casting at all, but her bashing of foreign cultural heritage makes her look clueless and entitled.
Halle isn’t without controversy though. When she went on a Mexican talk show to talk about being Ariel she talked about how good it was for Ariel to be black and the host said in Spanish “I didn’t even notice the color of your skin because of how beautiful your eyes are.” And she accused him of racism. 🤦♀️
Yes indeed; she's certainly had her share of foot in mouth moments; i.e. before that incident she'd told the media she was a victim of rassisms for backlash over her casting (which was the reason the Mexican host was trying to reassure her). It's just that her missteps aren't covered as much, so not everyone's heard about them.
@@monkey6207just shows how different the perspective from a non-American can be Her skin color either didn’t catch the hosts attention at all or didn’t seem relevant to him
I've been a photographer for 49 years, and if there's anything it's taught me, it's a fine eye for contrast. It seems that no one in the comments has noticed the subliminal message encoded in the clothing of the two characters in the "interview". They put a white dress on the brown chick who is still brown. They put a black dress on the brown chick who's wearing more white paint than a goddam FedEx truck, and white stockings. Now reflect upon which of the two Disney is trying, along with an entire multi-hundred-million-dollar production, to salvage, with a desperation that all but drips off the screen, and why they're doing this. [Cue Final Jeopardy Theme]
OH TRUST ME.... I think most people noticed all that! What a total load of BS that was... It is not going to help! The Poo is already stuck to the wall!
I always admired Gene Wilder who never did interviews, because he didn't want anyone to know him - just the characters he played. He was astoundingly good. Young Frankenstein, Blazing Saddles, and Willy Wonka being three of my favourites of all time.
This is a hugely significant point. The really clever stars know their fans are better off just seeing their performances and celebrating that. Once they start "revealing their darkest fears" or making their stance on political or social issues known it just gets annoying.
It's pretty gross how Disney is using Bailey as a shield for Zegler when this whole Snow White backlash is not her problem at all. You never see the directors or producers stepping in and trying to smooth things over themselves.
with this "new manufactured look" she also recently became an ambassador for Dior...convenient. I bet Disney paid for that in an effort to shift the narrative. She has new hair, new clothes, new makeup, new everything. Convenient
That "women in power" line really gets me because in the original story, Snow White basically won the Darwin award when she let the queen trick her multiple times. The queen just kept making assassination attempts, and the dwarves told Snow to stop letting strangers in the house, but it just kept happening.
Body language speaks louder than words. Both actresses were clearly coached on what to say, how to say it, what NOT to say, and specifically dressed and filmed in a way that both flatters them and puts them into a dignified light. The manipulation here is thick and hefty....and their body language says more than their words.
Haley came from right under Beyonce. She is going to know how to act and behave like a lady. Ever seen Beyonce act distasteful in any interview? Nope. Rachel on the other hand just didn’t get the same training.
But so was every other interview during that time? Of course there's gonna be a flattering light it's Hollywood. Of course they are PR trained. IT'S HOLLYWOOD. You're looking for things to pick at.
@@ithamarlowe6158 I dunno I'm pretty sure Halle Berry has been around longer then Beyonce. @salazam Well maybe but she still looks pretty good for a 52 year old lady.
Did you notice that in the interview they took care to make her look more like the role? Her hair had been brown and shoulder-length, now it's longer and completely black. Her eyebrows were less thick, her foundation makeup was whiter and she even wore white tights! But she still couldn't avoid opening that huge mouth. (No, I'm not speaking metaphorically. I mean her actual mouth). Because in the past two decades, Disney heroines (I'm talking of cartoon ones) all have huge mouths, for some reason. Julia Roberts style. Angular features, prominent jaws and big mouths historically wasn't considered pretty at all, women had to have big eyes, oval faces and a dainty mouth. That's why all those princesses are so jarring. And their real-life counterparts seem to follow the same aesthetics. By the way the other Snow White too is not completely suitable in my opinion. (For one thing, she's too old, secondly has an angular, modern face, and a stubborn look, not the dreamy smooth face of a fairytale princess)
Not enough people are talking about her stance against a woman who has a story about falling in love. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that as a goal, and not every woman, or man, wants to be a great courageous leader. It's extremely condescending of her to speak on such a concept in the way that Ziegler does. She literally says that being a strong female leader is better than wanting to fall in love. I think that's disrespectful, naive, and sad. If you're going to normalize female characters who become strong leaders, you can't banish female characters who want to fall in love. That's not empowerment - That's bullying.
The weird part is that she is in a relationship since 2021 and she has publicly stated that her relationship is important to her so she is being a hypocrite here. And besides that, Snow White is a princess so she will automatically become queen no matter if she is good at it or not, so the whole `the leader she can be` is kind of ridiculous given even more so that none of the stories mentions anything about how they rule their kingdom.
This is all feminist manipulation. The demographic that Snow White appeals to are love struck young girls who want a boyfriend and have fun and not be tied to heavy responsibilities. These middle-aged cat horders with gender studies degrees and eggs as shriveled as they are use these movies as propaganda to pass the unwarranted chip on their shoulders on to the next generation of naive victims.
I disagree with that entirely it's not disrespectful or naive is just an opinion you're really going to take what she says seriously. I know what bullying is and this definitely is not it. I agree with you there's nothing wrong with somebody falling in love but not everybody wants to do that which is also fine. This is a prime example of you can't have an opinion without somebody on social media getting upset
It irked me that Rachel sings the Hunter Games song. Her version is beautiful but can’t stand her in interviews. Rachel was the wrong person based on her disrespect of the story. Halle never disrespected the story of the work behind it.
@@lauralarrabee7870 i think she needed to articulate what she’s excited about with the live action. I think she is just excited to tell a new version of a classic story, but she just articulated awfully in an attempt to sound relatable. She was a youtuber before this all, she’s more familiar with being that kind of celebrity that tries to connect with an audience rather than persuade them or something.
Rachel went from : _"We might change the whole thing she's a strong independent capable woman, It's HalleWood BaBeH!!"_ to : *This film is a masterpiece and has to be treated with respect since its very important fir the story of animation and fantasy*
Such an abrupt tone shift that I almost feel bad for the many people who were suckered by it. That's the thing about PR though isn't it, as long as it fools enough people it doesn't matter if it's true or not, just that it works, and enables that kind of disreputable behaviour to continue. Hollywood Hates Honesty?
Didn't watch the interview. Didn't even know it was a thing. This is literally my entire exposure to it. And from frame 1 of seeing them, I immediately was able to see the manipulation tactics, and the narratives. We're both victims. We're both so incredible. Feel sorry for us. Give Mickey your money, forget the fact that he hates you and only wants your money so he can burn it in front of you, knowing that he's taking food from your mouth and especially your children's mouths. Feel sorry for him. Subscribe to D+. Watch all the movies. Twice. You'll do this, if not, you're an istaphobic bigoted monster.
I’m just hoping we see an end to the mouse in our lifetime. Disney is hemorrhaging money like it’s going out of style rewriting classics to infuriate life long fans and cater to the like 5% that actually care what race/gender the protagonist is. Slight subject change but I hope rockstar games doesn’t go down the same path with gta6. Don’t cave to the woke twitter brain dead sociopaths, just put out a good game 😞
Two words: Damage Control Edit: If you thought she learned her lesson, just look at her social media posts following the results of the 2024 election 🤣
Well, they postponed the film for a year and a half for the same reason. A film that is finished and was scheduled to go on to the big screens right now
@@mentalphilanthropist35 the problem (for her and Disney - not for us) is that every time she is saying something stupid it is costing Disney dozens of millions. So even though she wants to run her little mouth, someone obviously put her on a leash
Rachel is one of these people that would have no problem throwing one under the bus. What stood out for me was in particular her disrespect and non caring of her male co-actor “That’s show business” remark. This is another fellow actor trying to make his way, to make fun of him and showing such disregard speaks volumes of how vile a person Rachel is.
The same sentiment of "Hollywood can be weird and they could always make a last minute change that completely switches up the movie" could be gotten across even with the idea of his scenes getting cut but phrased in a way where it doesn't seems callous to her costar. If she said, "who knows, in Hollywood someone could just come along and cut all his scenes", it would've been a lot better. I think it makes the decision seem more like an arbitrary whim of some exec (which emphasizes her point) and less like something that could just happen as a natural course (because changes that big are weird unless there is a problem with an actor)
Totally agreed with this. Halle is naturally charming and likeable. People had a problem with her casting but not her as a person. Compared to this self entitled nobody who thinks she's a star now just because she landed the role of an iconic and beloved character. This sudden change of tune on her is literally fake. You can tell that just a damage control.
I watched an interview with the Godzilla minus one cast and they were so aware of the cultural impact and legacy of Godzilla, and were very adamant about how grateful they were to be part of it and how they wanted to live up to those high standards
The Japanese are extremely protective of their cultural institutions, to a degree that really hasn't been seen in the western world since the late 1960s. Apparently Illumination wanted to make Mario an incompetent side character in his own movie in favor of Peach, and Miyamoto had to step in and tell them, no, Mario's a hero and he needs to be portrayed that way.
@@cmc5394oparva and I'm so thankful he did. I remember Nintendo telling Disney that for Bowser's cameo in Wreck It Ralph, they demanded them to make Bowser hold and stir his tea cup in a sophisticated way because he's still a royalty and has an actual castle not some evil, grounded base.
True redemption and forgiveness involves four things: acknowledging the screwup, doing things to repair the damage, going the extra mile beyond the repairs to demonstrate willingness to avoid the mistake in the future, and asking for reconciliation. A lot of entertainment types seem to think that mouthing the words of steps 1 and 4 are enough, and I'm fairly sure it's what's going on in this interview as well.
They don't even mouth the words. They just move on to the next marketing ploy management cooked up and hope people forget about the mask-off moment, which they will, because no one has a collective memory for such things.
Did they even do step 1 though? I don't recall ever seeing anything about zegler coming out and saying sorry / she was wrong for saying what she did about the movie. All I've seen is her doing a complete 180 on her stance in following interviews and trying to convince people that she doesn't think what she's already told us she thinks about it.
But I'm still trying to figure out why it was decided to use CGI dwarfs instead of actual live actors for the *live action* remake of an animated original. Get stuffed, Peter Dinklage...
People like her don’t change. She’s said her piece when going off the cuff which is truly how she feels and like the drinker said this was a well coached thing on disneys part and people can see right through it. They’re not fooling a single person.
she won't change no.. she said her stance on certain topics, which got directed towards certain groups.. those groups caused the backlash to happen.. which most likely only confirms her opinions and stance towards those groups in her mind. It's unlikely to change her as a person or be an eyeopening experience for her. - the only thing we see here is her doing her "job"; acting, after a heavy dose of media training in the hopes to save what's left..
@@Vivi_9 Admit fault for your one thing, she flat out said hey if this guy gets fired then whatever it’s Hollywood. Meanwhile she’s more at risk to losing her job right now than he is. She needed to come off as human and more humble. Her and that other weirdo basically said “We’re princesses people are gonna hate, whatever.”
*IF* the new concept was for real: What do people hate, about the pre-changed version? *- The actress.* And they kept her. *- The fact that a famous midget didn't want other "small people" to act as the **_7 Dwarfs._* And they replaced them anyway with (terrible) CGI. So... what lesson did *Disney* learned, again?
That their profits are no where to be seen. That’s what they took from this. We have seen in the last year alone that most "blockbusters” have been failing financially in the box office. (Meaning that they haven’t made 2.5 times the cost of the production). The last few years alone shows that they THOUGHT there movies would be hits no matter what. So any backlash from the social media wouldn’t have swayed them in the slightest to change anything. Now we see the results of them having to back pedal after heavy losses of money. And we see the old habits still in play, them not wanting to change anything. Of course we do need to recognize that they already spent the money of this trash fire. They don’t want to spend any more then absolutely necessary. So no new main actors or anything like that.
@@shilyarrmee their* Also, Disney is a MULTI-BILLION dollar corporation. They don't need their movies or shows to be hits. They still have their exorbitantly expensive amusement parks that still rake in billions of dollars every year. Their bank account is doing just fine.
They (Disney) are not sorry because what they did was wrong. They haven't looked in the mirror and asked, "Are we the baddies?" They didn't come to the realization that beloved stories shouldn't have current-day politics inserted into them. They aren't even sorry because of the backlash they faced from fans. They are sorry because their bottom line is hurting. They are sorry because people have stopped caring enough to spend money on their products. If I could be forced into caring I'd loathe them.
They (Disney/Zegler) are not sorry because they do not believe they are wrong. They are sorry because they done effed up and are now trying to do damage control and it may be too far gone to be repaired.
I assume Zeigler was previously praised for her smiley-quirky-chuckling-irreverent-exuberance. This would have encouraged more as the young are easily susceptible to flattery and praise. Due to her inexperience, she was unable to "read the room" and see how she was percieved by others. Arrogant, self-centered and more like a wicked step-sister than a Princess. I doubt it will happen in 2024, but I do hope Zeigler grows up and gets a real second chance someday. While we have all been young and stupid, most of us had the good fortune of not having our stupidity recorded and blasted on the internet.
That's possible, but there's another possibility: Rumor has it that Rachel grew up in a very upper middle class environment and even attended private school. Assuming this is true, it would go a long way toward explaining why she comes off as selfish, spoiled, entitlement minded and elitist. She already had a reputation of being outspoken and opinionated long before she said anything about Snow White. Remember Gina Carano, the actor Disney fired from The Mandalorian for alleged insensitive social and political comments? Care to guess who was leading the charge to get her fired? If you guessed a young Latina who has a leading role in an upcoming Disney feature film, you are correct. And that's just one example of Rachel opening her mouth and causing trouble. Now, I'm not saying she doesn't deserve a chance to correct her course. What I am saying is she truly deserves all the backlash she has received. Actions have consequences, and Rachel needs to learn just how far reaching those consequences can be when you continue to open your mouth and insert your foot. She's so toxic right now it doesn't matter what she says -- someone is going to criticize her for it. Best thing for her to do right now is go total radio silence for at least six months, then come back with a more humble attitude. She might just be able to bounce back. But if she doesn't change course soon, she'll never find work in the entertainment industry again.
@@MSgt5J071 Thanks for the background. You are right in that Zegler will need to wait awhile before she can possibly redeem herself. In any event, while I do not wish negative outcomes for other people, I am not shedding any tears for the downfall of this brash young actress who played a part in causing Gina Carano to get fired for her personal life choices. Karma is a real thing.
@@hpaulbryant729 If you want to see more, check out Rachel's comments on Trump supporters, Jeremy Renner, the SAG/AFTRA strike, and how she handled not getting an invitation to the Oscars after she won a Golden Globe for West Side Story. You may also want to check out her social media posts after the whole Snow White fiasco went down. Again, she's not beyond hope, but she has shown a pattern of behavior that she really needs to break if she wants her career in entertainment to continue.
@@hpaulbryant729 I believe that when she gets kidnapped by Hamas and spends the rest of her life being passed around between those she claims to support forever.
We the audience have clearly voted with our dollars for years and they are just now listening. We need to do more than just be passive and let this go feed the sickos who support such misandry. We need to actively oppose the messaging and treatment and show Disney WE are paying their bills. We are not bodies and pods like in the Matrix or Wall-E. We are the Romans and Disney is a gladiator among competition. They need to remember that.
I doubt they ever will even if we do. At best she'll just stop appearing in productions all of a sudden, and we'll likely only realize once she puts out a press release bashing hollywood and "fans" about being on a blacklist or something like that
@@royalnovember66 I mean yeah that would be the W when the actors that act this way aren’t worth anything capitalism will sort it out. It’s unfortunate that we’ve had to witness the destruction of so many beloved franchises before Hollywood and Disney especially are finally realizing that they don’t have a blank check to just print money forever no matter what they do, but the writing is very much on the wall now and they’ll either go back to trying to make movies for more than just Twitter or they’ll implode (I’m really fine with either).
Imagine, if you will, the secret love child of an Indian Ghost Shirt and a Get Out Of Jail Free Card in Monopoly. That's not just the Race Card, it's what being any "protected class" is. Why do you think these absolute narcissists invented "non-binary" and "self-ID"? Before that, you had to actually BE a minority, or g@y, or trans. Now you can just say you're [whatever Victim Du Jour], and presto, you're as safe from criticism or accountability as Jimi Hendrix is from playing Winterland again. Even better, if one type of victimhood starts losing currency, you can just say you're the new best victim type.
She's like an embodiment of every negative stereotype of millennials/Gen Z (narcissistic, arrogant, poorly informed yet overly opinionated, and disrespectful of those who came before them and laid groundwork for their success), but in her case they're all true. You can tell that the nice, charming Rachel in the interview is just a character portrayal from a moderately talented actor, and that the real Rachel was the heel that we saw in earlier interviews.
Shes not even talented, her only ticket to fame was being born pretty, which lays all the credit to her parents, so congrats to the parents! You banged 1 night, and you created a monster capable of getting high off the smell of her own farts. Shoulda cast her as the evil queen of Snow White, that would have tricked people into believing she was a GOOD actor!
My biggest issue with Rachel Zegler's casting wasn't that she wasn't pale enough, it's that the plot makes no sense if it requires Gal Gadot to be jealous of her looks.
The original Evil Queen was beautiful. The entire point of the movie is that Snow White's beauty comes from her good heart, and Queen's rotten character made her look worse. I think Gal Gadot can pull it off. The true issue issue is Zagler
agreed, and in this interview it seems to me they were making her look much more like Gal, her dress, her hair, her skin, all of it mirroring Gadot. Its not working though.
I’m actually so thankful that she revealed her true self. If she had just lied, it would still be the facade tricking everyone. The more the curtain is revealed on who these people really are, the better in the long run for films and this woke shit will fade away
I don't mind if she lied all the time without and never revealed her hand cause after all she is an entertainer both on and off camera but too bad she got caught
I get what she said before but isn't this a good thing? Why we punishing it? Also, you would never accept correctly identifying Trump as a mega malignant narcissist but we label her a narcissist cause of a comment about a dress lol! Don't misunderstand me, she was awful.
its like bruno movie interviewing the pretentious fashion designers .... My fashion is cold, icy, temperamental, distant and isolated a few moments later.... My Fashion is warm, cozy, focused, together and warm
Most of us know that Hollywood is one big circle jerk or self and peer admiration...this interview and frankly the entire Variety series is nothing more than something that just exposes that to the world.
@@gryphon1911 White people mustn't pretend like Halle Bailey committed a heinous act. She did nothing wrong but play a white character that not many straight men cared about
I hate people like them that act like successful women/leading actresses are somehow a new thing , we've had leading women for DECADES and it was never an issue, we've had women win tons of awards and sales records from music and other industries but as soon as the criticism comes in they scream sexism and racism
I was going to use this as a point towards showing this is not any sort of real contrition or even a reflection of her true attitude in this interview. The fact that they focused on the fact that, OMG, they're WOMEN facing the backlash shows they are still trying to play a victim card here.
and if you study history correctly, you'll see women always wielded a fairly equal amount of power over society, sometimes more sometimes less than men, so its just plain dumb that the latest generation of spoilt princesses think they never got any power in history and need to commit revenge as if 2 wrongs makes anything right.
Thing is, apart from being extraordinarily self-congratulatory and transparent in its motives, this interview has more power to do harm to Bailey's image by association with Zegler than it has to rehabilitate Zegler by association with Bailey.
True. I don't remember Bailey being as antagonistic as Zegler. Which was actually smart, just let the shill media do all that, and remain above it all.
100%. If this did anything, it dragged Bailey down by association to Zegler's level. I understand why she did it, she probably doesn't have much work lined up but I still question whether overall this was a good move for Bailey...my guess is no
Snow White is a work of art that doesn't need to be re-made , just release the original in movie theatres for a 1 month period as I guarantee many families would go out to see it.
Digitally remaster it, improve the audio track ( dont change it, just clean it up) and "modern audiences" would flock to see it. It's a timeless classic .
Definitely would like to see a couple movies re-released in the theaters; first time I saw Jaws was in theaters for the 40th re-release with my dad for his 40th. Excellent experience!
I’m pretty sure what people look for in voice quality has changed. Recently watched the original with my daughter, and neither of us could stomach her singing. Not exactly a nails-on-chalkboard reaction, but somewhere in that area.
I am not sure why she says the movie focused on Snow White's love story. The prince sees her singing and falls in love with her, then he spends his time, off scene, searching for the girl that fled from the queen while Snow White meets new friends and becomes their, much needed, mother figure. The love story is almost non-existent.
There's literally no way she can walk this back. There is no amount of damage control Disney can try to do to fix this. Her sound bites and clips are now a staple of pop culture and there is no way to scrub that impression off the internet. You had one chance Zegler, you done messed it up
@@FallenAngel9979 She's 22, no? How old could actors be in comparison? It's not teenager-young. Certainly young adult. Not a lot of sense in her... but look who is surrounding her. Anyway, this is a serious public error she has incurred. But since she wants this identity as actress and public figure, let her learn how to live up to it responsibly. Better now, recover, and build your career stronger with many years after.
@@animezilla4486 Probably some limited version of RGB. It is less likely to be CMYK and certainly not a 256-index. Something that can precisely replicate all the shades of a humanoid sewer.
@@animezilla4486 the "color" of her character. How she treats service people when nobody's looking. Nasty or rude things she says about people who think differently than her. ...Character
It's interesting that Variety worked hand-in-hand with Disney to setup this carefully crafted PR op. It's almost like they are all working together for "the message".
The funniest thing is that those interview were part of Disney's _first_ round of attempting damage control on this self-inflicted disaster in the making; the attempt backfired so badly they're now having to do damage control on their damage control.
Halle literally bullied a small business and doxed a woman because she had a "bad experience". Halle then did not apologize at all to the turmoil her fans afflicted on a small business. She used her fame for bad. she is not good
@@antevansmma Happened a couple of weeks ago. A salon that she'd been going to wouldn't serve her or her sister one day because they turned up to the appointment 15 minutes late. A big thing was made, including playing the race card. The salon owner is heavily pregnant, and has been getting a lot of hate from Halle's fans because Halle's boyfriend put out a call to action against her.
@@antevansmma As far as I understand (based on what people have commented on other videos of this interview) Halle and her sister had separate appointments at a nail salon which they were both obnoxiously late for. The salon admonished them and said their behaviour was unacceptable (which it was) and, as a reponse, Halle effectively called on her fans to dox the salon by encouraging them to bombard the business with complaints and negative online reviews.
@@martindixon54 If true, she is an horrible person and not much different than the other celebrities who uses their popularity to get their way no matter the consequences on the other party.
Disney actually had to tell the SEC that Disney's politics has been costing it money; in other words, Disney had to tell its shareholders, by law, that it was choosing to lose money. That's the first time I've ever seen something like that, and I would not be surprised at all if Disney was forced to change course as a result.
But there's that idea going around that the whole woke push trickles down from major shareholders anyway. The whole DEI framework, blackrock theories, and so on. If these agendas have become entrenched in the investment sphere then investors themselves may suffer from the same prolonged failure to be critical of themselves or change their own position, and they may even deserve a lot of the blame if they are pushing for this.
I still imagine how much sweet irony it would’ve been if when they race swapped the little mermaid with a black girl, that at the same time they tried to race swap say black panther with a white guy, oh boy the amount of backlash that would’ve gotten, the sweet sweet irony
Rachel’s performance in this interview reminds people of that Bud Light’s damage control commercial of “horses, flags, small towns, working class people” released shortly after their iconic famous shitshow. Yeah, totally worked.
That interview is the best bit of scripting and character writing Disney have done in decades. A shame it was used as damage control rather than in their actual media projects. Hell, even the costuming and lighting are way better than the far more usual mish mash of oddly dim lighting, incongruous mining’s of fashion from worldwide cultures with an eyesore of colours trying to burn through the dimmer switch via an excess of colour contrast. Genuinely impressive work all told.
What confuses me the most is that this carefully planned setpiece of an interview PROVES that SOMEONE in the house of mouse has a BRAIN. Why aren't they in charge?
Rachael, here are your lines for the interview: "I've thought about things I said about the original movie and I realize now that my comments were disrespectful. I should have been more careful. I said things that hurt many people who love and adore the Disney version of Snow White. I hope people will be kind and understand that I'm young and I still have a lot to learn about seeing other people's point of view. I'm grateful that studios are expanding the female characters and giving them more depth and agency. I realize we need to respect the original material and not try to change it into something that turns the audience away. So to those who i have hurt or offended please forgive me and allow me some grace. Give me a chance to play this amazing character for you . I want to see the magic of the original animation preserved in the live action version. That's what matters most to me"
The fact she's still cast as Snow White and didn't step down, and as far as I can tell from this interview, didn't apologize, tells me she/Disney is just trying to deflect. Nothing will ever redeem a bratty little girl insulting the original movie and smugly laughing at people not being happy that she doesn't look like the character. If she had left the project because she wanted someone else to be Snow White after listening to criticism, and apologized for her ignorant and mean comments, maybe I'd believe she was truly changed.
Of if she had weathered the storm and apologized for coming off as so bratty and smug, I think she might have been okay. Some fans would have never been won over, but she might have been able to do damage control if she had accepted responsibility for the main part of the backlash she’s facing. Because honestly, she really doesn’t look so Latin that she absolutely couldn’t be a convincing Snow White. I mean she’s only half Colombian (if that; I know that her grandmother immigrated to the States like mine did, but I’m not sure if her grandmother married an American or a Latino) and she is not so dark that the uproar might not have died down once people could see thar she could look like the original Snow White. Her own smugness and mocking disdain for the source material is what hurt her more than anything else. The parts of the interview that I saw did not fix that, as she and Halle basically called people who had issues with them haters and even said something at one point to the effect of their haters' lives being sad while they themselves were in movies. Keeping it classy, ladies; how not to apologize to fans by talking down to them. I see what the goal was with this interview, unfortunately they missed the mark by continuing to blame fans even while retracting previously shared opinions as if the previous interviews never happened. The internet is forever; Rachel is going to have to do more than blame fans and pretend respect for the source material she mocked if she wants to win back a frustrated fan base. The attitude change with no addressing of her previous attitude makes her current stance seem artificial… the change from "ugh outdated movie" to "such an amazing classic" is so drastic that it almost gives you whiplash. Disney would have been better off if they had encouraged her to apologize for previous statements and then express a new-found appreciation for the source material. As it is, the dramatic change in opinions feels like a massive overcorrect on their part.
There is a moment in South Korea just like this, when a leader was caught with a hot mic after apologizing for a totally avoidable tragic death scene after a famous mall collapsed.
It still bothers me that Rachel called the original Snow White “dated” 😤 Like seriously, how is one wanting to find true love or a woman showing femininity a dated concept? Those are things that still exist today, like I’ve seen and worked with couples around my age (I’m in my late 20s) where the girlfriend/wife expresses how much they love their boyfriend/husband, and I think that’s really sweet of them to show that! If Snow White was “dated” then that means every woman these days would be loveless, soulless, emotionless, empowering robots….and we also wouldn’t be alive if it weren’t for women as well (same with men too 😅). The point is, love is always wanted and needed! ❤️
Calling a story like Snow White, which has been around in folklore in various forms for hundreds of years, "dated" shows a complete lack of understanding of the source material. There is a reason these stories have endured for centuries, the social tropes they embody didn't just disappear in the last generation.
Phrases like "dated" and "didn't age well" are the new smears directed at anything more than ten-years-old that happens to run afoul of the standards set by our would-be censors. Opposite-sex courtship resulting in love between a man and a women without social commentary on the patriarchy or unequal power relationships is automatically suspect.
I like how the "Actors om Actors" by Variety is making people seeing the actors being honest , but also how the video with Zegler and Bailey is the one with lowest views 😂
Today , Disney is focused more in diversity, equality and inclusion than making entertainment and good movies / series , Snow White becoming the Snow Woke isn't a surprise
Now entertainment is secondary for me. Why, a western company, cultural product, hates the very core of West? Why are they insertong lgbt agenda into everything. Why those talentless diversity hires earn millions while someone more suited is probably living in dept,? Why someone hating me should get millions by ripping off people like me? How do we get Disney back? How do we get Western Culture back to it's normal track?
There is nothing wrong with "diversity, equality and inclusion". The problem is that Disney thought it was a replacement for "making entertainment and good movies / series". Nowadays women have to be "strong" and "in positions of power", when storytelling 101 tells you that this is a problem. Everyone likes a smart, creative and resourceful woman that uses her strengths to compensate for her weaknesses as a protagonist (same as for male protagonists). But that's not allowed. Because she has to be "strong".
Fan backlash for casting happens all the time. The key is put your head down, ignore it, and make your performance so brilliant that people forget they even criticized the casting. Honestly, the most fan backlash on a casting I ever saw was for pretty boy Heath Ledger to be playing a gritty, realistic Joker in the Dark Knight.
Yes, Ledger was epic. I think the most I personally remember was for Tom Cruise as Lestat in Interview With the Vampire. So many fans hated the idea. Even the book's author herself was telling everyone what a bad choice he was, and she had a whole campaign trying to get the filmmakers to switch Pitt and Cruise's roles. Then he turned out to actually be brilliant, and the author apologized both publicly and privately to Cruise. So, contrary to expectations, Brad Pitt was the one getting all the bad reviews. My own thought was that, after the media'd been looking forward for so long to eviscerating Cruise, they turned in their disappointment on Pitt, lol.
Will Zegler put her heart in the performance... the right way? I don't wish her any ill, but I had don't think she ever will. Even if she would, I'm sure she would find a way to pull a middle finger to the "toxic" fans.
So many good examples of this but one that comes to mind is Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter. Tons of critics and fans said it was an awful decision and that he wouldn't be able to sell that role. For most of us, we couldn't picture anyone else selling that role like he did.
I think Rachel's problem is probably since she was like 12 people have been telling her she's destined to be this huge star.. So the diva attitude she developed in spades..
Bailey seems like a genuinely decent person. If that's just an act then she deserves more roles and more awards. The other one... good luck to her and hope she has a good life but she appears to be a symptom of all the worst things in hollywood.
Can't stand people blowing smoke up each other's asses. The internet is an echo chamber of it. Someone posts a selfie and every friend comments with "you're so beautiful" or "such an amazing person". Instagram is the root of this evil
@@newtpondskipper Rachel is part of a larger problem within Hollywood and that is thew woke plague that some dipsh*ts at BlackRock thought would make them money. As for Bailey she is not free from criticism neither. But her level of ego was smaller by comparison and Bailey has a chance to be redeemed in the future and Zegler has none for she has yet to earn a second chance.
@@newtpondskipperSorry to say but it's an act. Have you read about the salon incident? Hallie and her friend were extremely late to an appointment and couldn't be served. They each lost the plot and were asked to leave. Hallie then asked fans to doxx and review bomb the business. The heavily pregnant owner lost her baby due to the stress
her PR team just did a makeover. this is pretty much the business equivalent of "rebranding" the appearance change is Clear proof of that. from short brown hair to Long black hair, the slower pace of talking and mannerisms she definitly went through a course of reajustment all in order to sell the film to us plebs...
It was only that day at D23 where Rachel Zegler was being interviewed and responding with some really silly answers to the questions about Snow White. She was probably just having a bad day. I’m sure she is a nice person.
You can see clear as day that she was being honest and saying what everyone else at Disney says and she was empowered to say it, because that's what surrounds her. Turns out that those comments don't vibe with the general public, so rather than Disney backing her and having some solidarity they've scapegoated her as if she is the only one at Disney with these opinions. This interview really shows that Disney wants to control your views on them by feeding you what they think you want, because if you could see right through then we'd all probably hate them.
It's so nice seeing that someone has noticed this! She's talking about the creative process of making the new Snow White and it's obvious that the rhetoric she voiced was well established behind the scenes
Don't forget she also hated the ride as a kid now it was the greatest thing in the world and she stands in front of it so people will notice she is snow white
That's what should have happened, but I bet the woke executives were just as surprised as Zegler by the public backlash. They're embarrassed by the white characters in the classic European fairy tales that built their company and really believe race-swapping the roles is a big win. It baffles them that the public doesn't praise them for it.
I just find it amazing how 85 years ago Disney was able to make animations that put any of the modern day CalArts beanmouth shit to shame. Just the scene of the Queen walking down the spiraling staircase, the flowing cape, the several layers of animation... How can it be that today when we have technology and resources that would have been hardcore scifi in the 1930's and we still get shit like, well, Disney.
Digital bullshit made everyone lazy, then everything stopped being about making a good film (much less a great one), and became entirely about 《《《 THE MESSAGE 》》》.
There is another really interesting effect going on right now that is having huge repercussions across animation. Animation quality is actually scary good right now. Scary is the perfect word. Animation can get close, but not exactly real life. Psychologists are finding out that the little inconsistencies that people subconsciously perceive creep us out. It looks real, be subtle differences tell us it isn't and that is creepier than something nowhere close to reality. The result is that animation has changed course and seem happy to find an interesting style. Viewers prefer this to near real life animation.
I noticed the exact same thing… How gracious the animation of the cape was. I think the reason is pretty simple… They were true artists who perfected their craft through care and passion. Now they're just employees working for a paycheck 🤷♂
The biggest problem with this PR attempt is pretending like her original statements never happened. Acknowledge it, explain it, add more nuance, etc. and it will come across as a much more genuine attempt to resolving things and moving forward.
There is a full year for them to do these kinds of pieces where she's coached on how to act. It'll put that stuff so far behind her the general audience isn't really going to know she ever said anything stupid.
I think the only problem I actually have is her calling it dated and saying she was scared of Snow White. But all the other stuff is on Disney. Despite that she is a good actress and is very talented. However will she get a redemption arc? Only time will tell.
That interview was ridiculous. When Bailey said Zegler handled things gracefully I almost fell out of my chair! Grace and Zegler should never be in the same sentence!
The point was to plant the idea into the viewer's mind that she's now "handling things gracefully". Just like tabloid newspapers write about "a great outcry", one is bound to ask "since when", and the answer is always "since now, a second ago".
"Creativity is intelligence having fun." Activists can't tell good stories 'cuz they're thicker than stacked 2x4s (which is why they've gone all in on a symbolism over substance lifestyle that holds IMPROVING THE WORLD to be the highest virtue), and they're as much fun as a root canal.
That never existed. You just didn’t notice it as easily in the old films. The entire reason the TV was researched and developed was to supplant ideas in your mind. Government at its finest
I concur with the guys above me. There's always been ideology in every era of movie. It just happened that the current one is....not very popular to say the very least.
you know, the best movies tell more than a story, but they do it more clever and let the viewer, who normally uses his common sense, decide whats right or wrong.
The original SW is actually a total hero. Despite being put in a dangerous and and desperate situation, she finds a way to help others, spread positivity, make friends by being a friend, and giving outcasts a chance. Something we could all aspire to….
Absolutely and why do women need to be all the same? Not everybody wants to have power or be leaders. I'm so done with that narrative. Some of us just wanna have a family, work and just study. Why are they trashing that? Hope she's cancelled for a long f-ing time
@@narunatsu1 because this current form of Feminism is basically male envy. They want women to take on male roles that just make no sense (places where physical strength and male temperment are a must to succeed), becuase they erroneously see the traditional male role as holding all the power and women having none, which is not true, unless you see the male form of power as the only one (or the only one that matters). Women weilded great power in trad roles, just not the more obvious kind men do. Same goes for heroism.
@@dragons_red I agree! I don't see anything wrong with us working and studying. I'm an engineer, for example. But I wouldn't take a manager position, because I don't wanna work too many hours. I rather spend time with my family. I'm sick of these feminists that only care about power but then say sht about men when they do the same. I also don't wanna get employed just because of my sex, but for my skills. These people need a reality check honestly
@@dragons_red also they lie to themselves, they don't care about women but only the women who agree with them. I say i'm from the right and I don't matter anymore. They are all fake af
Wow It was hard to stomach more than ten minutes of that interview. Bailey has always come off as a pretty nice person but my God hearing her just say “yes” and “amen” to literally every shallow comment Zegler made grinded my gears so hard I couldn’t take it
Although that's pretty much a standard of current era Hollywood starlets, I think in that instance it was deliberate. Lets not forget it is Zegler who desperately needs an opportunity to warm her image, therefore she had to do most of the 'heavy lifting' in this interview. If Bailey was given the same amount of 'screen time' she would completely overshadow RZ and the whole interview would have been pointless. In short, HB played here the role of Zegler's hype man.
You brought up a point I hadn't really thought about, the fact that if an actor is put in a role that they know will cause fan backlash, it would ease a lot of the hate if they said something like, "I know a lot of you might not be happy that I'm cast in this role but this is one of my favorite stories and I promise I will respect it and make you proud of my performance". I know for me, that would make me be ok with a race or gender swap.
This so much. I'm black and Luke has always been one of my favorite characters. If I were pursing some kind of star wars reboot role and was cast to play as him it would be such an amazing honor and I would want to do nothing but justice to the character, his legacy, and his history. Because it was those things that made me love him in the first place regardless of the differences of our skin color. What I don't understand is how these companies are managing to CONSISTENTLY find people to take these roles who seem to absolutely despise them and everything about them. Is there really no one in existence who grew up with these properties who loves them and is good enough to convincingly take on the role?
It would have just been so easy for her to say something like "I loved this movie as a little kid, it's a dream job to play the role" Something like that would have gone far for her. Instead she made it sound like she hated the part and a F U to long time fans of it.
Very much this, and if you fall short, a respectful, "We/I tried something different and we got it wrong." Just a little acknowledgement would go a long way
The thing is, she came across like she absolutely *hated* the job. And that in itself would be alright, plenty of people hate their jobs. But we don't make millions out of one project.
Ever met a narcissist who admitted they were wrong? No, neither have I. So deflection it is.
The fact that she has a PR Rep to clean up her mess is all the proof we need.
Whatever it takes -Disney probably
Or a "woman in power" who wasn't also a victim
I see what ya did there.
Sometimes they do admit they were wrong though, but not because they're actually sorry or understanding what they did wrong, but because they can use a fake apology or a fake admission of guilt to keep manipulating the people around them.
The fact that the internet backlash was so bad that they’re changing course at all is a testament to how bad Disney screwed up.
+1
Too bad they didn’t change course on anything we actually cared about. 😒
I love how a strong, independent and outspoken woman was told to change her whole personality and opinions by the corporate men at Disney and she immediately obliged
And how desperate they are for the movie to do well.
bahahahahahaha @@tomround8271
Not only was Zegler coached and told what to say, notice how the makeup she's wearing has softened her features a bit more, to say nothing of lightening her skin tone a lot, and her hair is much darker, longer, more feminine. Combined with the dark dress, it emphasizes her lighter skin tone even more. It's as if Disney is trying to go, "See, she looks just like Snow White. Those bigots are just crazy."
Great point didn't catch that
I wouldn't have noticed that
lol It’s crazy but not really when you think about how much money is involved. Disney is essentially doing what attorneys do everyday. Lol Aka we wanna win the case (profitable movie) so we’ll change everything about her for it. I can understand her being coached to show the original movie respect but them purposely making her look white is hilarious. Looks like she folded like a lawn chair.
I noticed her complexion was much lighter as well but that was never really the issue for me. Hell, the make up and fx people could turn her into an albino if they really wanted to, but they've missed the whole point of people's antipathy towards her. No, the problem was a matter of personality and no amount of make up can disguise arrogance.
It's a shame, she's genuinely very pretty and could probably have made for a convincing Snow White, but she's blown it really.
Bro, you gotta tell me where you buy your tin foil hats.
Bailey had the smartest possible response to the controversy she found herself in: say nothing and do your job.
Bailey enjoyed being the Little Mermaid and liked the cartoon. The only response would have been to people criticizing her race, other than that she had no reason to dump on the cartoon or her costars.
Oh no she talked alright.
She said that she liked hers better and that she supported the wokeness of her movie and blamed any reasonable and correct thing said about her movie and the fact that she’s black when knowing that Ariel isn’t black
@superduperfanman2761 🙄 she never said she supported the "wokeness" of the movie, she said she loved the plot of the film. She only ever critized people who dumped on her for being black...which was true, there were and are plenty of people who made derogatory remarks about her race.
@@deborahminter6231 she did u clearly didn’t watch the interview I’m talking about but whatever ik what I’m talking about and she took the role knowing she don’t look a damn thing like Ariel
She hasn't lost a single atom of narcissism. In her interview she is as genuine and believable as her pony tail.
Damn, you didn't have to destroy what was already in cinders 💀
Yea that's why she won't admit any wrong doing thinks she could slip by without anyone noticing. No accountability means no respectibillity
as real as the space between her eyebrow 🤣🤣
Hahaha!!! 😜 weird 🤪 weird!!!
Don't worry her phone isn't ringing for new roles anymore. Nobody's going to risk it next year.
The thing is, Snow White is an evergreen story. It's not dated because- surprise!- women still fall in love (we always have) and we often still take on domestic roles (we always have and never stopped). Snow White is treated with the utmost reverence by the seven dwarves and she basically takes over and transforms an unsettled household into a home. If Disney wanted to "modernize" Snow White, they could simply develop Snow and the prince more thoroughly and actually add the process of them falling in love. Maybe the prince saves her due to competence (because, another surprise, women actually love when men are competent) and maybe Snow possess a little more savvy than what is portrayed in the original. We can amplify stories through adaptation... not tear them down. Hollywood is missing opportunities left and right, then trashing the audience because we want actual depth. Instead we get *literal* skin-deep drivel.
And Zegler is full of it. She's trying to change course as a PR stunt. Hopefully people stop throwing money at these horrible movies (the only part where audiences can actually be blamed- we need to stop funding this stuff).
Snow White is about finding true love, for both men and women. Snow White is not about empowerment. If you want a story about empowerment, write another story.
thats why, imo, the cinderella remake is still the best remake for disney (not like the bar is very high). In the OG Disney cinderella movie, it had a lot of cutaways with the mice as a type of comedy break, while in the remake they stepped away from the animals and mice and gave more of a story to the prince and Cinderella which worked out. Just like you said, they could step away from the animal parts in this remake and add in extra scenes for the prince and snow white, but that would be asking too much from disney.
In my opinion, the core concept of Snow White is that TRUE beauty comes from within. The Queen wants Snow's looks, but is a villain because she is completely unaware that people would love Snow even if she was hideous, and they would hate her own tyranny no matter what she looked like. And the Queen's obsession slowly consumes her. Snow, on the other hand, works hard to return the kindness given her by the dwarves, and is so innocent and giving that even an assassin can't bring himself to end her. If she had only been left alone, she would never have thought of the Queen again. Her beauty is a spring that wells up inside her endlessly.
I find it highly ironic that the person they hired to pretend to be Snow White is actually behaving exactly like the Queen. Zegler is arrogant, dismissive, and even cruel to her co-stars. When anyone challenges her, she tries to destroy them violently. Everything has to be about her and how awesome everyone is supposed to think she is. I find it hilarious that Disney doesn't even seem to REALIZE that they've made something exactly the opposite of what they claim.
The thing with Snow White taking on that domestic role is, I never really thought of it as her doing women's work. The way I saw it, she turned the skills she learned as a victim of abuse into a means of survival.
Which is pretty empowering in its own way.
That part of developing the prince more into a proper character is what made The Little Mermaid revolutionary in 1989. Yes, it was Disney going back to its roots with an adaptation of a fairy tale, but the fairy tale was updated in a smart and considerate way. It doesn't bother me that the little mermaid doesn't die at the end, just like it doesn't bother me that nobody dies in Hunchback of Notre Dame. Stories and the retelling of stories evolves as culture evolves, and hypothetically, there's nothing wrong with that. It's all dependent on execution though, and recently Disney has been blowing it. The Disney remakes are universally shit because they prioritize what they perceive as political correctness over quality storytelling. And now the chickens are _finally_ coming home to roost. Yes it bothers me that Lion King and Beauty and the Beast remakes made billions, how could you tell.
Put simply, the best acting Rachel has done in her career is on this current “apology” tour. An adult pretender at their finest.
I've heard she was kind of good in the Hunger Games prequel.
She’s even wearing white tights in the interview😂
@@Hcamsdwhat does she mean by that…?
@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ I didn't see it, but most of the people with good things to say about her in that movie were talking about her singing. Maybe she should have gone with music instead of acting as a career?
@@baxter1252 Yeah, most probably.
The one line of Zeigler's that always stuck out to me most was "she's not going to be looking for true love",
because man how perfectly does that contrast Disney's absolute nihilism of today versus the Disney of the past.
Akin to "you will own nothing and you'll be happy", this is "you'll believe in nothing and you'll be happy".
O Brave New World, I need some more soma...
Haha damn, well said my friend!
Nice touch with a classic sci-fi novel, excellent!
@@NightVisionz457 Yes,
well the exact quote was showing young people saying that in first person, "It's 2030, I own nothing and I am happy."
Rachel Zegler is a perfect example of the Hollywood bubble. For the past several years, she has been in Hollywood getting praised for saying all the things she said in interviews. Then was genuinely confused when she was getting flack for the things she had been saying for months at that point.
Yes, I've spoken with Hollywood people, and the bubble is VERY REAL. They are totally separated from human society.
Yes, I've spoken with Hollywood people, and the bubble is VERY REAL. They are totally separated from human society.
a flack is a publicity agent. flak is criticism.
she was most certainly met by both.
I'm sure her knees were very bruised getting all that praise.
I’d also say that the people who care enough to make backlash videos or tweets are mostly men who spend to much time on the internet and don’t like women much lol
Henry Cavill is an example of someone who, even when he's in something that disrespects the source material, earns the love and loyalty of the fans through his own love and respect for the material and its fans.
Should call actors like that a box-office antidote
I find interesting that there’s quite a bit of disdain for people in show business who show some ballsiness and honesty with their opinions instead of people who just ride the line and don’t upset the apple cart and say “yeah this and that is great and has no flaws at all”. I haven’t seen the full interview about what she said about Snow White but was what she said that controversial?
@@jgunner94Yelling that the original fairy tale and one of the most significant cartoons of the history of animation are "wrong and don't belong in this day and age" is wrong, regardless of context.
It is like spilling soup on a precious painting - even what you are trying to achieve is right, you are still wrong and deserve no sympathy.
@@jgunner94 while her outspoken attitude could be praised at times, the problem is that she really doesn't know the time and place for it.
Like, yeah you can criticize Snow White, or dislike Disney Princesses, in fact, many celebrities have said those and they never get many criticism. What ridiculous is the fact that she complain those things when she's supposed to be playing one of them in big screen.
It's like as if a marketing agent from Apple directly said to a customer they currently help how they always hated Apple's product, and that they've been using Samsung their whole life. It's just doesn't make sense, AND disrespect those that actually love the product
Henry, the GREATEST MAN OF ALL TIME.
Let’s all give thanks to the Variety red carpet interviewer that always gives us these gems. Unknowingly showing us that Hollywood is vapid and useless.
Undoubtedly some of the most honest journalism we’ve seen in a long while.
🍻
Its like watching Icarus of career
I blame the internet and technology for a lot of the stuff we were never meant to know, but even back in the day, words were more measured on those appearances which still exist today - such as the Red Carpet.
Errr, we've known that about Hollywood for a while now...
Like a wise man once said, "Knowing is half the battle"
You going to put your money where your mouth is and stop giving Hollywood your money?
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain
Zegler is a prime example.
Kristen Stewart is twice the Snow White then Ziegler will ever be
""It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it." - Warren Buffet
@@Rcampo42And she's a horrible actress with all the charisma of a dog turd, so that's saying something.
Remember that scene in the Addams Family, when the summer camp councilors locked Wednesday in a little shack and forced her to watch wholesome cartoons for 24 hours straight, and she came out all weird and managed a creepy psychopathic smile? I think Disney did that to Zegler. She disappered for a few weeks and isn't acting or talking the same at all. They hypnotized her and reprogrammed her brain.
It would have to be something more like Clockwork Orange brainwashing to try to fix her! 😂
And just like with Wednesday in the Addams' Family, she was faking it to the nines.
You’re overanalyzing this, it’s just her following advice from PR teams/talent manager because her rep took a nose dive. Nothing more.
The Disney lawyers pulled her aside and told her that she better shut her fv cking mouth.
Prolly holdin a hostage.
The 'interview' with the Mermaid actress was such a joke. It was literally a struggle session where they smugly agreed that they were 'better' than those evil racist haters and rejoice in how 'graceful' they were being by not calling out the evil racist haters.
Yeah, HB really is no better than RZ, just less abrasive about her contempt for the story or the fans.
But to the average person who doesn't know the story and is looking at it from afar, they'll see two actresses being 'strong' by calling out online hate speech which automatically absolves them of 95% of any criticism. That's how the game has been played over the last few years, paint yourself as a vulnerable person (obviously helps if you're female, a minority or both), wait for some vague form of hate speech to come your way (I imagine there is likely some vile stuff that has been said about these films which absolutely should be highlighted as wrong), and then run with the idea that all criticism is therefore coming from a place of hate and run off various '-ist'/'-ism' words to garner sympathy for yourself from those who just want to watch a Disney movie with their kids
Two actors of race swapped Disney princesses sitting down to huff copium together
There were moments when Fake Ariel couldn't keep a straight face. There were a few moments when Ziegler was talking that she just about rolled her eyeswhile smirking. It was pretty bad acting from both of 'em.
The 'interview' was the equivalent of watching two men sucking each other off, but somehow being more cringey and off-putting.
Her clothes, her hair, her body language, her voice's tone and timbre, her words and thoughts, and the response of the other diverse adult pretender are all crafted by design to try and enchant the public to save the movie.
Screw Disney and Screw this movie!
even the lighting and the soft focus is meant to sooth and comfort. its gross
@uzis.machine-guns liars, basically.
The clothing and styling choices are interesting. It looks like every effort has been made to make Rachel Zegler's skin tone look lighter, including making Halle Bailey's look darker. Zegler's face has been framed with jet black hair (formerly brown), and her clothing is deep black, except for white stockings (which make her legs white). All this makes her skin tone look very light. Further, it may just be the lighting, but even her makeup looks lighter. Conversely, Halle Bailey has her hair well away from her face, a white top, and black boots, which all combine to give the impression of a darker skin tone. Similarly, Zegler is 'dressed up', and Bailey looking casual makes Zegler look even more 'dressy'.
I just finished the video and it's interesting that at 4:20, Halle Bailey, during promotions of her own film, got the same treatment. Black hair around the face, black clothing/top.
Not going see this movie either.
Zegler was so clearly coached on exactly what to say. Notice how what she's saying doesn't sound even remotely natural now, and how she's clearly pausing to remember what she was told to say. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if her saying it's the reason she and Halle "get to sit there today" is essentially a stern reminder from her employer that essentially means "Don't ever insult our products again. We replaced the dwarves and we can replace you too."
she thought she was some kind of big shot probably.
news flash: I didn't know her before, and I don't care about knowing her now.
@@waltercomunello121Yeah. I guess it's easy to get an inflated ego when you're cast to star in the OG Disney movie, but Disney has dumped and replaced far more famous actors and actresses than her. They had no problem dropping Terrence Howard and Gina Carano, and the former starred in Hustle & Flow and the latter portrayed one of about 5 universally liked characters from Disney Star Wars; they'd have no problem dropping a lady whose best role up until now was a bit part in West Side Story.
Tbh, the only way I would see this movie would be if Disney replaced her.
@@josefpdx Same, actually. As soon as she attacked the original it was very clear she has no actual respect for the story or its fans.
You can tell by her uncomfortable demeanour and change in voice tone, that she absolutely hates having to do this, and comes across completely disingenuous. Just pull the plug Disney, she’s done.
But but sHes a WoMan oF CoLor!!!
You can tell by her Adam's apple it's a man baby! Lol.
It's the Walk of Shame. She might just disappear after this round of "damage control".
Exactly.
She definitely doesn't have a bright future ahead of her in pedowood land. They'll blacklist her after this.
That whole Variety interview just reeked of damage-control.
And the worst part is how stupid Disney must think we are to buy into it.
But you see dear viewer. Disney fans ARE that stupid to believe what was said in that interview
You're not buying it, but your brain did 😂
@@emhome924- Nope.
Exactly this!
Like, it feels like they're assuming we're going to suddenly forget everything she's said before this interview as if it never happened. We all know what she really thinks of Snow White, how ignorant she is of the source material and hard work put into the OG film, and she will never be the one who deserves the role. As a mixed person, this also goes for the fact that it still feels wrong to race swap a German princess for literally no reason other than to try to score brownie points. Just make us new princesses who're different races and stick to the source material when it comes to classic fairytales. Idk why it's so hard for Disney to make new content now
Initially People weren't as mad with her casting as they were with the casting of the dwarfs. But the benevolent Rachel decided to take it all on her. She saved the dwarfs from public backlash. What a noble soul.
No replacing whites isn’t OK. Soon it will be too late to even say anything at all.
It’s funny because that picture circulating wasn’t accurate and was like a fan made thing (the one with different races and all normal heighted ppl) but weirdos took it and ran w it.
Now that's a strong female character
No people were absolutely mad about a latina being swapped in to replace a white woman, with the description literally being "skin as white as snow"
People were still pretty mad because while Rachel isn't bad looking, she's Latina and snow white was literally described as having "white as snow" skin.
Zegler on a world wide apology tour, about as believable as Mark Zuckeberg in Congress saying Facebook never censored anyone ever at any time.
This is probably the best acting we will get from RZ. Gotta love how Disney have tried to make her look sweet, innocent and pure.
She's way more witch than Snow White.
someone didn't watch TBOSBAS 😂😬
That shows Disney is desperate to gas lighting people !
Savage 😂
Too late. Like calling the fire department AFTER your house has burned down.
Absolute Deflection. She showed us who she was when she thought there were no stakes. As the saying goes: "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."
@@davidbrown5955 i mean if i was Disney right now i won't even hire her again for future projects. Essentially, make her an example to upcoming movie stars, on what happens if you piss-off not only the fans but the company your working with.
I mean there are certain and i quote unintended "publicity stunt" that you can and can't due on live camera least of all crapping on the companies legacy, and crapping on the fans of said legacy, that been around longer then she was ever born. But again this is modern day Disney were talking about, they just don't want anymore bad publicity for there brand to stay nice and shiny for everyone, and milk the success of there predecessors for cash.
Deflection to the umpteenth degree!!!
Gal Gadot’s greatest acting performance is keeping that million dollar smile with zero flinch while seeing Zegler completely sabotaging her movie
That was funny. But you know, Hollywood is filled with narcissistic pimps, thieves and sharks willing to push their mothers off a cliff for some fame. Every emotion holds little weight when they speak to the public and who knows what they truly feel. It seems like there are very few decent people in that cess pool, but it its fun to watch the car crash that is Hollywood.
Can actually see the WTF in that smile while rachel rambles on
Gal Gadot looks like she just smoked a joint and is looking at the giant cheeseburger that is Rachel Zegler's head.
bwaahaahaaaaa
@@metalslinger
She was definitely just in it for the money and the bullshit SJW crap. She honestly didn't care if the movie flops.
She refers to the story as being 80 years old, which refers to the original Disney movie, which is based on the story published by the Brothers Grimm in Germany in 1857, which itself is based on a publication in 1812 and the first known origins of the fairytale are in 18th century German states. But it might be much older.
The interpretation of the source material is difficult and full of different layers, while she viewed it solely through the eyes of a shallow Hollywood starlet in 2023. People did not get upset about her casting at all, but her bashing of foreign cultural heritage makes her look clueless and entitled.
Disney turned cultural appropriation into an art form.
A lot of these “fairytales” have roots in Asia as well. They go way back.
Halle isn’t without controversy though. When she went on a Mexican talk show to talk about being Ariel she talked about how good it was for Ariel to be black and the host said in Spanish “I didn’t even notice the color of your skin because of how beautiful your eyes are.” And she accused him of racism. 🤦♀️
Well it's kind of a weird comment.
Yes indeed; she's certainly had her share of foot in mouth moments; i.e. before that incident she'd told the media she was a victim of rassisms for backlash over her casting (which was the reason the Mexican host was trying to reassure her). It's just that her missteps aren't covered as much, so not everyone's heard about them.
Guess she's one of those indoctrinated to believe the "not caring about skin colour = racism" nonsense
@@monkey6207. Maybe weird but hardly racist.
@@monkey6207just shows how different the perspective from a non-American can be
Her skin color either didn’t catch the hosts attention at all or didn’t seem relevant to him
I've been a photographer for 49 years, and if there's anything it's taught me, it's a fine eye for contrast.
It seems that no one in the comments has noticed the subliminal message encoded in the clothing of the two characters in the "interview".
They put a white dress on the brown chick who is still brown.
They put a black dress on the brown chick who's wearing more white paint than a goddam FedEx truck, and white stockings.
Now reflect upon which of the two Disney is trying, along with an entire multi-hundred-million-dollar production, to salvage, with a desperation that all but drips off the screen, and why they're doing this.
[Cue Final Jeopardy Theme]
Reminds me of Jim Carrey's movie "The number 23" 😂
OH TRUST ME.... I think most people noticed all that! What a total load of BS that was... It is not going to help! The Poo is already stuck to the wall!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣well spotted!
I saw that. And then wondered... what the everloving fk is Halle Baillie wearing? It looks like a ruched shower curtain.
Well said Emily
I always admired Gene Wilder who never did interviews, because he didn't want anyone to know him - just the characters he played.
He was astoundingly good. Young Frankenstein, Blazing Saddles, and Willy Wonka being three of my favourites of all time.
This is a hugely significant point. The really clever stars know their fans are better off just seeing their performances and celebrating that. Once they start "revealing their darkest fears" or making their stance on political or social issues known it just gets annoying.
I don't understand why agents/managers don't require public speaking courses for these young stars. They need to learn how to brand themselves.
I think he said the sheriff's near?
If I like an actor/actress's character, there's nowhere for the actor/actress behind the character to go in interviews but down.
Not a bad strategy. Lol, a bit like when Johnny Depp appeared in the Pirates of the Caribbean ride in Disney.
"You might not have noticed it... but your brain did."
Only Harry S. Plinkett could have immortalized those words.
It's pretty gross how Disney is using Bailey as a shield for Zegler when this whole Snow White backlash is not her problem at all. You never see the directors or producers stepping in and trying to smooth things over themselves.
with this "new manufactured look" she also recently became an ambassador for Dior...convenient. I bet Disney paid for that in an effort to shift the narrative. She has new hair, new clothes, new makeup, new everything. Convenient
Indeed, all the higher ups are the real villains in this story but they are not the face so the internet just ignores them .-.
@@neltins5308 First rule of leadership: *everything* is your fault.
- Hopper, A Bug's Life
Agreed! Bailey had uglier treatment, and not even over anything she said. Hailey Bailey enjoyed being The Little Mermaid.
That "women in power" line really gets me because in the original story, Snow White basically won the Darwin award when she let the queen trick her multiple times. The queen just kept making assassination attempts, and the dwarves told Snow to stop letting strangers in the house, but it just kept happening.
😂😂😂 It's so funny, cuz it's true! 😂😂😂
It's probably why I never really liked the film, and why the queen was really the most interesting character.
Good villains usually steal the show. Alan Rickman did it twice, in Robinhood: Prince Of Thieves, and again in Die Hard.
@@dinosaurwoman In the film that happens after the first attempt.
makes sense since women in power do really like to screw everything up and blame to everything else but them
Body language speaks louder than words. Both actresses were clearly coached on what to say, how to say it, what NOT to say, and specifically dressed and filmed in a way that both flatters them and puts them into a dignified light. The manipulation here is thick and hefty....and their body language says more than their words.
Yes, and I'd also guess that it was heavily edited- possibly even reshooting some bits? We've seen this happen in other cases.
Haley came from right under Beyonce. She is going to know how to act and behave like a lady. Ever seen Beyonce act distasteful in any interview? Nope.
Rachel on the other hand just didn’t get the same training.
Speaking of hefty, that trash bag the mermaid actress was wearing was most certainly _not_ flattering.
But so was every other interview during that time? Of course there's gonna be a flattering light it's Hollywood. Of course they are PR trained. IT'S HOLLYWOOD.
You're looking for things to pick at.
@@ithamarlowe6158 I dunno I'm pretty sure Halle Berry has been around longer then Beyonce.
@salazam Well maybe but she still looks pretty good for a 52 year old lady.
Did you notice that in the interview they took care to make her look more like the role? Her hair had been brown and shoulder-length, now it's longer and completely black. Her eyebrows were less thick, her foundation makeup was whiter and she even wore white tights!
But she still couldn't avoid opening that huge mouth. (No, I'm not speaking metaphorically. I mean her actual mouth). Because in the past two decades, Disney heroines (I'm talking of cartoon ones) all have huge mouths, for some reason. Julia Roberts style. Angular features, prominent jaws and big mouths historically wasn't considered pretty at all, women had to have big eyes, oval faces and a dainty mouth. That's why all those princesses are so jarring. And their real-life counterparts seem to follow the same aesthetics. By the way the other Snow White too is not completely suitable in my opinion. (For one thing, she's too old, secondly has an angular, modern face, and a stubborn look, not the dreamy smooth face of a fairytale princess)
Not enough people are talking about her stance against a woman who has a story about falling in love. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that as a goal, and not every woman, or man, wants to be a great courageous leader. It's extremely condescending of her to speak on such a concept in the way that Ziegler does. She literally says that being a strong female leader is better than wanting to fall in love. I think that's disrespectful, naive, and sad. If you're going to normalize female characters who become strong leaders, you can't banish female characters who want to fall in love. That's not empowerment - That's bullying.
The weird part is that she is in a relationship since 2021 and she has publicly stated that her relationship is important to her so she is being a hypocrite here. And besides that, Snow White is a princess so she will automatically become queen no matter if she is good at it or not, so the whole `the leader she can be` is kind of ridiculous given even more so that none of the stories mentions anything about how they rule their kingdom.
Great comment! I agree. I used to get backlash for deciding to marry and have children instead of going to university. I regret nothing.
Most people spend their life searching for love and never finding it.
That "woman" (she doesn't really deserve to be called one) is a POS.
This is all feminist manipulation. The demographic that Snow White appeals to are love struck young girls who want a boyfriend and have fun and not be tied to heavy responsibilities.
These middle-aged cat horders with gender studies degrees and eggs as shriveled as they are use these movies as propaganda to pass the unwarranted chip on their shoulders on to the next generation of naive victims.
I disagree with that entirely it's not disrespectful or naive is just an opinion you're really going to take what she says seriously. I know what bullying is and this definitely is not it. I agree with you there's nothing wrong with somebody falling in love but not everybody wants to do that which is also fine. This is a prime example of you can't have an opinion without somebody on social media getting upset
The contrast between Zegler's before and after backlash interviews is hilarious. Like two different individuals.
PR training
She has longer hair, looks more attractive, softer voice, tone, everything.
The only correct response to her recent interview is "Weird! Weird."
It irked me that Rachel sings the Hunter Games song. Her version is beautiful but can’t stand her in interviews. Rachel was the wrong person based on her disrespect of the story. Halle never disrespected the story of the work behind it.
@@lauralarrabee7870 i think she needed to articulate what she’s excited about with the live action. I think she is just excited to tell a new version of a classic story, but she just articulated awfully in an attempt to sound relatable. She was a youtuber before this all, she’s more familiar with being that kind of celebrity that tries to connect with an audience rather than persuade them or something.
Rachel went from : _"We might change the whole thing she's a strong independent capable woman, It's HalleWood BaBeH!!"_
to : *This film is a masterpiece and has to be treated with respect since its very important fir the story of animation and fantasy*
Such an abrupt tone shift that I almost feel bad for the many people who were suckered by it. That's the thing about PR though isn't it, as long as it fools enough people it doesn't matter if it's true or not, just that it works, and enables that kind of disreputable behaviour to continue.
Hollywood Hates Honesty?
She respects it much like Logan Paul respects Japan
I know alot of strong independent women! Rachel is not one, thats why she has to scream it and is so obsessed with portraying her character as one.
“She is the bestest ever.”
I thought she said the movie scared her when she was a child
She was coached and told what to say and how to behave, it's an act.
Didn't watch the interview. Didn't even know it was a thing. This is literally my entire exposure to it. And from frame 1 of seeing them, I immediately was able to see the manipulation tactics, and the narratives.
We're both victims.
We're both so incredible.
Feel sorry for us.
Give Mickey your money, forget the fact that he hates you and only wants your money so he can burn it in front of you, knowing that he's taking food from your mouth and especially your children's mouths. Feel sorry for him.
Subscribe to D+.
Watch all the movies. Twice.
You'll do this, if not, you're an istaphobic bigoted monster.
This!!!!!
"We're both victims" -Says the two millionaires.
LMAO
If they start this shit-preaching to me, I'll simply show 'em my adorable erected middle finger.
I’m just hoping we see an end to the mouse in our lifetime. Disney is hemorrhaging money like it’s going out of style rewriting classics to infuriate life long fans and cater to the like 5% that actually care what race/gender the protagonist is. Slight subject change but I hope rockstar games doesn’t go down the same path with gta6. Don’t cave to the woke twitter brain dead sociopaths, just put out a good game 😞
Two words: Damage Control
Edit: If you thought she learned her lesson, just look at her social media posts following the results of the 2024 election 🤣
Woulda gone with 'piss off' myself, but I respect your decision. 😊
Do a video of bourne (franchise) movies!
Well, they postponed the film for a year and a half for the same reason. A film that is finished and was scheduled to go on to the big screens right now
@@infinitydreamzz Like she's not going to say more stupid sh!t for the next 18-20 months. 🙂👋
@@mentalphilanthropist35 the problem (for her and Disney - not for us) is that every time she is saying something stupid it is costing Disney dozens of millions. So even though she wants to run her little mouth, someone obviously put her on a leash
Rachel is one of these people that would have no problem throwing one under the bus. What stood out for me was in particular her disrespect and non caring of her male co-actor “That’s show business” remark. This is another fellow actor trying to make his way, to make fun of him and showing such disregard speaks volumes of how vile a person Rachel is.
If he said that about her he'd get crucified. Possibly literally.
Womp womp
@@kalashnikovdevil Remember, it's completely okay to be sexist towards men (and racist towards white people) in today's age. It's honestly sad.
The same sentiment of "Hollywood can be weird and they could always make a last minute change that completely switches up the movie" could be gotten across even with the idea of his scenes getting cut but phrased in a way where it doesn't seems callous to her costar.
If she said, "who knows, in Hollywood someone could just come along and cut all his scenes", it would've been a lot better. I think it makes the decision seem more like an arbitrary whim of some exec (which emphasizes her point) and less like something that could just happen as a natural course (because changes that big are weird unless there is a problem with an actor)
Exactly! Hailey Bailey never cared to mock or criticize her costars.
Totally agreed with this. Halle is naturally charming and likeable. People had a problem with her casting but not her as a person.
Compared to this self entitled nobody who thinks she's a star now just because she landed the role of an iconic and beloved character.
This sudden change of tune on her is literally fake. You can tell that just a damage control.
I watched an interview with the Godzilla minus one cast and they were so aware of the cultural impact and legacy of Godzilla, and were very adamant about how grateful they were to be part of it and how they wanted to live up to those high standards
The Japanese are extremely protective of their cultural institutions, to a degree that really hasn't been seen in the western world since the late 1960s. Apparently Illumination wanted to make Mario an incompetent side character in his own movie in favor of Peach, and Miyamoto had to step in and tell them, no, Mario's a hero and he needs to be portrayed that way.
@@cmc5394oparva and I'm so thankful he did. I remember Nintendo telling Disney that for Bowser's cameo in Wreck It Ralph, they demanded them to make Bowser hold and stir his tea cup in a sophisticated way because he's still a royalty and has an actual castle not some evil, grounded base.
@@cmc5394oparvaSame with one piece on Netflix god knows what they would have Done If the creator wasnt involved to Project His work
@@cmc5394oparvaWhat's your source for the Mario sidelining and Nintendo course correction story please? I want to read that one.
How refreshing!
True redemption and forgiveness involves four things: acknowledging the screwup, doing things to repair the damage, going the extra mile beyond the repairs to demonstrate willingness to avoid the mistake in the future, and asking for reconciliation. A lot of entertainment types seem to think that mouthing the words of steps 1 and 4 are enough, and I'm fairly sure it's what's going on in this interview as well.
"I know we both said some things that you're going to regret , but I hope we can move on and put this behind us, for science, you monster."
Entertainment types, toxic relatives, narcissistic parents... lol if only everyone could understand and agree on this! Your explanation is spot on 💜
They don't even mouth the words. They just move on to the next marketing ploy management cooked up and hope people forget about the mask-off moment, which they will, because no one has a collective memory for such things.
Did they even do step 1 though? I don't recall ever seeing anything about zegler coming out and saying sorry / she was wrong for saying what she did about the movie. All I've seen is her doing a complete 180 on her stance in following interviews and trying to convince people that she doesn't think what she's already told us she thinks about it.
But I'm still trying to figure out why it was decided to use CGI dwarfs instead of actual live actors for the *live action* remake of an animated original.
Get stuffed, Peter Dinklage...
The fact that they’re actively trying to make her a ‘thing’ makes me detest it all the more. I cannot care less for their efforts.
Her hypocrisy is pretty damn transparent.
People like her don’t change. She’s said her piece when going off the cuff which is truly how she feels and like the drinker said this was a well coached thing on disneys part and people can see right through it. They’re not fooling a single person.
All this did was make Bailey look like another hollywood phony without helping Zegler's image one whit. Another self-inflicted L for Disney.
she won't change no.. she said her stance on certain topics, which got directed towards certain groups.. those groups caused the backlash to happen.. which most likely only confirms her opinions and stance towards those groups in her mind. It's unlikely to change her as a person or be an eyeopening experience for her. - the only thing we see here is her doing her "job"; acting, after a heavy dose of media training in the hopes to save what's left..
If she doubled down you'd still be criticising her, what is she supposed to do?
yall stupid , she a kid and a female, she will change every year by 180 degrees ... several times
@@Vivi_9 Admit fault for your one thing, she flat out said hey if this guy gets fired then whatever it’s Hollywood. Meanwhile she’s more at risk to losing her job right now than he is. She needed to come off as human and more humble. Her and that other weirdo basically said “We’re princesses people are gonna hate, whatever.”
*IF* the new concept was for real:
What do people hate, about the pre-changed version?
*- The actress.* And they kept her.
*- The fact that a famous midget didn't want other "small people" to act as the **_7 Dwarfs._* And they replaced them anyway with (terrible) CGI.
So... what lesson did *Disney* learned, again?
That their profits are no where to be seen. That’s what they took from this.
We have seen in the last year alone that most "blockbusters” have been failing financially in the box office. (Meaning that they haven’t made 2.5 times the cost of the production).
The last few years alone shows that they THOUGHT there movies would be hits no matter what. So any backlash from the social media wouldn’t have swayed them in the slightest to change anything.
Now we see the results of them having to back pedal after heavy losses of money. And we see the old habits still in play, them not wanting to change anything. Of course we do need to recognize that they already spent the money of this trash fire. They don’t want to spend any more then absolutely necessary. So no new main actors or anything like that.
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
@@moonlighthunter5421 what is it good for?
@@shilyarrmee their* Also, Disney is a MULTI-BILLION dollar corporation. They don't need their movies or shows to be hits. They still have their exorbitantly expensive amusement parks that still rake in billions of dollars every year. Their bank account is doing just fine.
@@coffeebreakhero3743 Huh! Good god.
They (Disney) are not sorry because what they did was wrong. They haven't looked in the mirror and asked, "Are we the baddies?" They didn't come to the realization that beloved stories shouldn't have current-day politics inserted into them. They aren't even sorry because of the backlash they faced from fans. They are sorry because their bottom line is hurting. They are sorry because people have stopped caring enough to spend money on their products.
If I could be forced into caring I'd loathe them.
They (Disney/Zegler) are not sorry because they do not believe they are wrong. They are sorry because they done effed up and are now trying to do damage control and it may be too far gone to be repaired.
@@gryphon1911I mean they're not wrong y'all are just being snowflakes and trying to cancel someone for an opinion
This is actually a good thing, because it demonstrates that customers still have power over these giant companies by voting with their wallets.
Literally just acting
I assume Zeigler was previously praised for her smiley-quirky-chuckling-irreverent-exuberance. This would have encouraged more as the young are easily susceptible to flattery and praise.
Due to her inexperience, she was unable to "read the room" and see how she was percieved by others. Arrogant, self-centered and more like a wicked step-sister than a Princess.
I doubt it will happen in 2024, but I do hope Zeigler grows up and gets a real second chance someday.
While we have all been young and stupid, most of us had the good fortune of not having our stupidity recorded and blasted on the internet.
That's possible, but there's another possibility: Rumor has it that Rachel grew up in a very upper middle class environment and even attended private school. Assuming this is true, it would go a long way toward explaining why she comes off as selfish, spoiled, entitlement minded and elitist. She already had a reputation of being outspoken and opinionated long before she said anything about Snow White. Remember Gina Carano, the actor Disney fired from The Mandalorian for alleged insensitive social and political comments? Care to guess who was leading the charge to get her fired? If you guessed a young Latina who has a leading role in an upcoming Disney feature film, you are correct. And that's just one example of Rachel opening her mouth and causing trouble. Now, I'm not saying she doesn't deserve a chance to correct her course. What I am saying is she truly deserves all the backlash she has received. Actions have consequences, and Rachel needs to learn just how far reaching those consequences can be when you continue to open your mouth and insert your foot. She's so toxic right now it doesn't matter what she says -- someone is going to criticize her for it. Best thing for her to do right now is go total radio silence for at least six months, then come back with a more humble attitude. She might just be able to bounce back. But if she doesn't change course soon, she'll never find work in the entertainment industry again.
@@MSgt5J071 Thanks for the background. You are right in that Zegler will need to wait awhile before she can possibly redeem herself. In any event, while I do not wish negative outcomes for other people, I am not shedding any tears for the downfall of this brash young actress who played a part in causing Gina Carano to get fired for her personal life choices.
Karma is a real thing.
@@hpaulbryant729 If you want to see more, check out Rachel's comments on Trump supporters, Jeremy Renner, the SAG/AFTRA strike, and how she handled not getting an invitation to the Oscars after she won a Golden Globe for West Side Story. You may also want to check out her social media posts after the whole Snow White fiasco went down. Again, she's not beyond hope, but she has shown a pattern of behavior that she really needs to break if she wants her career in entertainment to continue.
@@hpaulbryant729 I believe that when she gets kidnapped by Hamas and spends the rest of her life being passed around between those she claims to support forever.
she’s coasting on that race and gender card. Hollywood is never goin to cancel someone like her unless we the audience vote with our dollars.
We the audience have clearly voted with our dollars for years and they are just now listening. We need to do more than just be passive and let this go feed the sickos who support such misandry. We need to actively oppose the messaging and treatment and show Disney WE are paying their bills. We are not bodies and pods like in the Matrix or Wall-E. We are the Romans and Disney is a gladiator among competition. They need to remember that.
I doubt they ever will even if we do. At best she'll just stop appearing in productions all of a sudden, and we'll likely only realize once she puts out a press release bashing hollywood and "fans" about being on a blacklist or something like that
@@royalnovember66 I mean yeah that would be the W when the actors that act this way aren’t worth anything capitalism will sort it out. It’s unfortunate that we’ve had to witness the destruction of so many beloved franchises before Hollywood and Disney especially are finally realizing that they don’t have a blank check to just print money forever no matter what they do, but the writing is very much on the wall now and they’ll either go back to trying to make movies for more than just Twitter or they’ll implode (I’m really fine with either).
Imagine, if you will, the secret love child of an Indian Ghost Shirt and a Get Out Of Jail Free Card in Monopoly. That's not just the Race Card, it's what being any "protected class" is. Why do you think these absolute narcissists invented "non-binary" and "self-ID"? Before that, you had to actually BE a minority, or g@y, or trans. Now you can just say you're [whatever Victim Du Jour], and presto, you're as safe from criticism or accountability as Jimi Hendrix is from playing Winterland again. Even better, if one type of victimhood starts losing currency, you can just say you're the new best victim type.
I forgot this movie even existed, but thanks to Drinker for reminding me and covering in detail what the actors had to say.
She's like an embodiment of every negative stereotype of millennials/Gen Z (narcissistic, arrogant, poorly informed yet overly opinionated, and disrespectful of those who came before them and laid groundwork for their success), but in her case they're all true. You can tell that the nice, charming Rachel in the interview is just a character portrayal from a moderately talented actor, and that the real Rachel was the heel that we saw in earlier interviews.
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Exactly!
Shes not even talented, her only ticket to fame was being born pretty, which lays all the credit to her parents, so congrats to the parents! You banged 1 night, and you created a monster capable of getting high off the smell of her own farts.
Shoulda cast her as the evil queen of Snow White, that would have tricked people into believing she was a GOOD actor!
Nothing about her attitude remotely resembles millennials. She embodies gen-alpha. Pure self-centred idiocracy.
Youngest millenials are like 28.. I get your point. But she the definitetion of Gen Z
My biggest issue with Rachel Zegler's casting wasn't that she wasn't pale enough, it's that the plot makes no sense if it requires Gal Gadot to be jealous of her looks.
The original Evil Queen was beautiful. The entire point of the movie is that Snow White's beauty comes from her good heart, and Queen's rotten character made her look worse. I think Gal Gadot can pull it off. The true issue issue is Zagler
agreed, and in this interview it seems to me they were making her look much more like Gal, her dress, her hair, her skin, all of it mirroring Gadot. Its not working though.
Am I the only one that doesn't think that either of them are particularly good looking?
Gal Gadot makeup-less in a potato sack would still be hotter than Zegler could ever imagine herself as.
Snow White & the huntsman had Kristen Stewart as Snow White with Charlize Theron as the wicked step mother who is near impossible to better in looks
They literally told her to act more like a quiet white girl.
I’m actually so thankful that she revealed her true self. If she had just lied, it would still be the facade tricking everyone. The more the curtain is revealed on who these people really are, the better in the long run for films and this woke shit will fade away
It will fade away for now. It will probably rear its ugly head again in about 15-20 years, as it seems to do.
I don't mind if she lied all the time without and never revealed her hand cause after all she is an entertainer both on and off camera but too bad she got caught
With each outrage their coaches will only get better at masking their message. Nothing has actually changed. "Management is never wrong".
I get what she said before but isn't this a good thing? Why we punishing it? Also, you would never accept correctly identifying Trump as a mega malignant narcissist but we label her a narcissist cause of a comment about a dress lol! Don't misunderstand me, she was awful.
its like bruno movie interviewing the pretentious fashion designers ....
My fashion is cold, icy, temperamental, distant and isolated
a few moments later....
My Fashion is warm, cozy, focused, together and warm
There's nothing wrong with a man saving a woman.
There's nothing wrong with a woman saving a man.
I think the wonderwoman movie did that well.
_Don’t save her. She don’t wanna be saved._
@@dr.wolfstar1765that isn’t the point
There's nothing weak about needing help. Man or woman, we are often stronger together.
The problem with Disney's plan is that it didn't make Zegler look more relate-able
It made Balley look more phony and less relate-able.
Most of us know that Hollywood is one big circle jerk or self and peer admiration...this interview and frankly the entire Variety series is nothing more than something that just exposes that to the world.
@@gryphon1911 White people mustn't pretend like Halle Bailey committed a heinous act. She did nothing wrong but play a white character that not many straight men cared about
Very Evidently So.
The sacrificial lamb
The strangest spelling of 'relatable' I've ever seen 😂
I’m fully convinced she did this interview at gunpoint
I hate people like them that act like successful women/leading actresses are somehow a new thing , we've had leading women for DECADES and it was never an issue, we've had women win tons of awards and sales records from music and other industries but as soon as the criticism comes in they scream sexism and racism
And the stunning and brave independent woman immediately changed her views the second a man in a suit told her to
I was going to use this as a point towards showing this is not any sort of real contrition or even a reflection of her true attitude in this interview. The fact that they focused on the fact that, OMG, they're WOMEN facing the backlash shows they are still trying to play a victim card here.
Pam Grier needs some respect on her name!!!!!
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and if you study history correctly, you'll see women always wielded a fairly equal amount of power over society, sometimes more sometimes less than men, so its just plain dumb that the latest generation of spoilt princesses think they never got any power in history and need to commit revenge as if 2 wrongs makes anything right.
Thing is, apart from being extraordinarily self-congratulatory and transparent in its motives, this interview has more power to do harm to Bailey's image by association with Zegler than it has to rehabilitate Zegler by association with Bailey.
I see two obnoxious brats pretending to like each other like opposing magnets forced together.
@@ephraimwinslowyep, about as phoney as that yak Halle’s wearing on her head 😂
True. I don't remember Bailey being as antagonistic as Zegler.
Which was actually smart, just let the shill media do all that, and remain above it all.
I was actually thinking just that as I heard about. Drag her down with Zegler. An unfortunate fate that might happen.
100%. If this did anything, it dragged Bailey down by association to Zegler's level. I understand why she did it, she probably doesn't have much work lined up but I still question whether overall this was a good move for Bailey...my guess is no
Snow White is a work of art that doesn't need to be re-made , just release the original in movie theatres for a 1 month period as I guarantee many families would go out to see it.
Digitally remaster it, improve the audio track ( dont change it, just clean it up) and "modern audiences" would flock to see it. It's a timeless classic .
Definitely would like to see a couple movies re-released in the theaters; first time I saw Jaws was in theaters for the 40th re-release with my dad for his 40th. Excellent experience!
I’m pretty sure what people look for in voice quality has changed. Recently watched the original with my daughter, and neither of us could stomach her singing. Not exactly a nails-on-chalkboard reaction, but somewhere in that area.
To clarify, bad reaction was mostly mine. She mostly laughed at how bad she thought the singing was.
assuming we have families willing to go modern theaters anymore or that there are even families to begin with.........
I am not sure why she says the movie focused on Snow White's love story. The prince sees her singing and falls in love with her, then he spends his time, off scene, searching for the girl that fled from the queen while Snow White meets new friends and becomes their, much needed, mother figure. The love story is almost non-existent.
There's literally no way she can walk this back. There is no amount of damage control Disney can try to do to fix this. Her sound bites and clips are now a staple of pop culture and there is no way to scrub that impression off the internet.
You had one chance Zegler, you done messed it up
She's still young. Let her learn and grow up then.
"Fifteen Minutes" of fame for female actress is more like fifteen seconds. She won't recover...
You must be new here.@@irurouni
@@irurouni” She’s still young”?! She’s a grown adult woman, not a 6 year old.
@@FallenAngel9979 She's 22, no? How old could actors be in comparison? It's not teenager-young. Certainly young adult. Not a lot of sense in her... but look who is surrounding her. Anyway, this is a serious public error she has incurred. But since she wants this identity as actress and public figure, let her learn how to live up to it responsibly. Better now, recover, and build your career stronger with many years after.
She has shown her true colors, and so have Disney. So, no, nothing they say or do will ever change my mind about who they really are.
What true color
@@animezilla4486 Probably some limited version of RGB. It is less likely to be CMYK and certainly
not a 256-index. Something that can precisely replicate all the shades of a humanoid sewer.
@@animezilla4486 you think it's a race thing? Her true colors of being an asshole. And if you tried to make it about race, that makes two of you.
@@animezilla4486 the "color" of her character. How she treats service people when nobody's looking. Nasty or rude things she says about people who think differently than her. ...Character
It's interesting that Variety worked hand-in-hand with Disney to setup this carefully crafted PR op. It's almost like they are all working together for "the message".
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Almost?!? And could they have white-washed Zegler any harder? White nylons? Straight hair with soft curls?
@@CorePathwayAnd pointy 4"-heel shoes. You know, like chicks wore in 1937.
But I thought feminine stuff from 1937 was outdated. Weird, weird.
With each outrage their coaches will only get better at masking their message. Nothing has actually changed. "Management is never wrong".
Nahhh, It Is just mercenary work, you kmow, money
They just need to cancel this movie, call it a loss and blacklist this Rachel.
The funniest thing is that those interview were part of Disney's _first_ round of attempting damage control on this self-inflicted disaster in the making; the attempt backfired so badly they're now having to do damage control on their damage control.
Halle literally bullied a small business and doxed a woman because she had a "bad experience". Halle then did not apologize at all to the turmoil her fans afflicted on a small business. She used her fame for bad. she is not good
What? Tell me more
@@antevansmma Happened a couple of weeks ago. A salon that she'd been going to wouldn't serve her or her sister one day because they turned up to the appointment 15 minutes late. A big thing was made, including playing the race card.
The salon owner is heavily pregnant, and has been getting a lot of hate from Halle's fans because Halle's boyfriend put out a call to action against her.
@@antevansmma As far as I understand (based on what people have commented on other videos of this interview) Halle and her sister had separate appointments at a nail salon which they were both obnoxiously late for. The salon admonished them and said their behaviour was unacceptable (which it was) and, as a reponse, Halle effectively called on her fans to dox the salon by encouraging them to bombard the business with complaints and negative online reviews.
@@martindixon54 If true, she is an horrible person and not much different than the other celebrities who uses their popularity to get their way no matter the consequences on the other party.
Lmao wow, so not only is she a bad actress but also a bad person too.
The irony.
Disney actually had to tell the SEC that Disney's politics has been costing it money; in other words, Disney had to tell its shareholders, by law, that it was choosing to lose money. That's the first time I've ever seen something like that, and I would not be surprised at all if Disney was forced to change course as a result.
But there's that idea going around that the whole woke push trickles down from major shareholders anyway. The whole DEI framework, blackrock theories, and so on. If these agendas have become entrenched in the investment sphere then investors themselves may suffer from the same prolonged failure to be critical of themselves or change their own position, and they may even deserve a lot of the blame if they are pushing for this.
Lawsuits are coming. There is a fiduciary duty those executives neglected.
@@Fe7AceESG is not a theory
I still imagine how much sweet irony it would’ve been if when they race swapped the little mermaid with a black girl, that at the same time they tried to race swap say black panther with a white guy, oh boy the amount of backlash that would’ve gotten, the sweet sweet irony
Rachel’s performance in this interview reminds people of that Bud Light’s damage control commercial of “horses, flags, small towns, working class people” released shortly after their iconic famous shitshow.
Yeah, totally worked.
With each outrage their coaches will only get better at masking their message. Nothing has actually changed. "Management is never wrong".
They believe their audiences never learn anything about them, but always only follow the most recent message.
That interview is the best bit of scripting and character writing Disney have done in decades.
A shame it was used as damage control rather than in their actual media projects.
Hell, even the costuming and lighting are way better than the far more usual mish mash of oddly dim lighting, incongruous mining’s of fashion from worldwide cultures with an eyesore of colours trying to burn through the dimmer switch via an excess of colour contrast.
Genuinely impressive work all told.
What confuses me the most is that this carefully planned setpiece of an interview PROVES that SOMEONE in the house of mouse has a BRAIN.
Why aren't they in charge?
Still very inclusive cast, tho...
Rachael, here are your lines for the interview: "I've thought about things I said about the original movie and I realize now that my comments were disrespectful. I should have been more careful. I said things that hurt many people who love and adore the Disney version of Snow White. I hope people will be kind and understand that I'm young and I still have a lot to learn about seeing other people's point of view. I'm grateful that studios are expanding the female characters and giving them more depth and agency. I realize we need to respect the original material and not try to change it into something that turns the audience away. So to those who i have hurt or offended please forgive me and allow me some grace. Give me a chance to play this amazing character for you . I want to see the magic of the original animation preserved in the live action version. That's what matters most to me"
This. Not what she said in this interview. A little humility would have gone a long way toward rehabilitating her image.
narcissist would rather kill himself than to admit he was wrong
If you're not in PR, consider it.
LMAO, this arrogant broad would rather die than eat some humble pie.
And… what would that mean? More bs from Zegler?
Love lock stock thanks for the short clip at the start lol
The fact she's still cast as Snow White and didn't step down, and as far as I can tell from this interview, didn't apologize, tells me she/Disney is just trying to deflect. Nothing will ever redeem a bratty little girl insulting the original movie and smugly laughing at people not being happy that she doesn't look like the character. If she had left the project because she wanted someone else to be Snow White after listening to criticism, and apologized for her ignorant and mean comments, maybe I'd believe she was truly changed.
Of if she had weathered the storm and apologized for coming off as so bratty and smug, I think she might have been okay. Some fans would have never been won over, but she might have been able to do damage control if she had accepted responsibility for the main part of the backlash she’s facing. Because honestly, she really doesn’t look so Latin that she absolutely couldn’t be a convincing Snow White. I mean she’s only half Colombian (if that; I know that her grandmother immigrated to the States like mine did, but I’m not sure if her grandmother married an American or a Latino) and she is not so dark that the uproar might not have died down once people could see thar she could look like the original Snow White. Her own smugness and mocking disdain for the source material is what hurt her more than anything else. The parts of the interview that I saw did not fix that, as she and Halle basically called people who had issues with them haters and even said something at one point to the effect of their haters' lives being sad while they themselves were in movies. Keeping it classy, ladies; how not to apologize to fans by talking down to them. I see what the goal was with this interview, unfortunately they missed the mark by continuing to blame fans even while retracting previously shared opinions as if the previous interviews never happened. The internet is forever; Rachel is going to have to do more than blame fans and pretend respect for the source material she mocked if she wants to win back a frustrated fan base. The attitude change with no addressing of her previous attitude makes her current stance seem artificial… the change from "ugh outdated movie" to "such an amazing classic" is so drastic that it almost gives you whiplash. Disney would have been better off if they had encouraged her to apologize for previous statements and then express a new-found appreciation for the source material. As it is, the dramatic change in opinions feels like a massive overcorrect on their part.
I tell my own tales to children.
And I'm not respecting copyright.
Muhahahaa. ;)
With each outrage their coaches will only get better at masking their message. Nothing has actually changed. "Management is never wrong".
@@CleverGirlAAH yes indeed, they should be better at it.
Rachel: "Was it enough? Did I convince them?"
Drinker: *slowly shakes head*
There is a moment in South Korea just like this, when a leader was caught with a hot mic after apologizing for a totally avoidable tragic death scene after a famous mall collapsed.
Drinker: "Oh Miss Rachel, I thought we'd agreed never to lie to each other..."
Rachel: I didn't come across as fake, did I?
Drinker: Nah, it'll be fine.
Go away now.
ayyyyyyyyyyyy he got the referenceeeee@@davidpo5517
It still bothers me that Rachel called the original Snow White “dated” 😤 Like seriously, how is one wanting to find true love or a woman showing femininity a dated concept? Those are things that still exist today, like I’ve seen and worked with couples around my age (I’m in my late 20s) where the girlfriend/wife expresses how much they love their boyfriend/husband, and I think that’s really sweet of them to show that! If Snow White was “dated” then that means every woman these days would be loveless, soulless, emotionless, empowering robots….and we also wouldn’t be alive if it weren’t for women as well (same with men too 😅). The point is, love is always wanted and needed! ❤️
I think love IS true empowerment! For men and women!
@@melb6746 agreed! 🙌🏻
Calling a story like Snow White, which has been around in folklore in various forms for hundreds of years, "dated" shows a complete lack of understanding of the source material. There is a reason these stories have endured for centuries, the social tropes they embody didn't just disappear in the last generation.
Biology and human instinct do not figure in their dictionary. Don't bother arguing with these mad horde.
Phrases like "dated" and "didn't age well" are the new smears directed at anything more than ten-years-old that happens to run afoul of the standards set by our would-be censors. Opposite-sex courtship resulting in love between a man and a women without social commentary on the patriarchy or unequal power relationships is automatically suspect.
Excellent observation
I like how the "Actors om Actors" by Variety is making people seeing the actors being honest , but also how the video with Zegler and Bailey is the one with lowest views 😂
Because the Zegler and Bailey segment is anything but honest.
Today , Disney is focused more in diversity, equality and inclusion than making entertainment and good movies / series , Snow White becoming the Snow Woke isn't a surprise
It was inevitable
_" Dîe-wôrse-îty. "_
Live by the woke you die by the woke and that's the bottom line because stone cold said so what!!!!!!!!
Now entertainment is secondary for me. Why, a western company, cultural product, hates the very core of West? Why are they insertong lgbt agenda into everything. Why those talentless diversity hires earn millions while someone more suited is probably living in dept,? Why someone hating me should get millions by ripping off people like me?
How do we get Disney back? How do we get Western Culture back to it's normal track?
There is nothing wrong with "diversity, equality and inclusion". The problem is that Disney thought it was a replacement for "making entertainment and good movies / series". Nowadays women have to be "strong" and "in positions of power", when storytelling 101 tells you that this is a problem. Everyone likes a smart, creative and resourceful woman that uses her strengths to compensate for her weaknesses as a protagonist (same as for male protagonists). But that's not allowed. Because she has to be "strong".
Fan backlash for casting happens all the time. The key is put your head down, ignore it, and make your performance so brilliant that people forget they even criticized the casting. Honestly, the most fan backlash on a casting I ever saw was for pretty boy Heath Ledger to be playing a gritty, realistic Joker in the Dark Knight.
Yes, Ledger was epic. I think the most I personally remember was for Tom Cruise as Lestat in Interview With the Vampire. So many fans hated the idea. Even the book's author herself was telling everyone what a bad choice he was, and she had a whole campaign trying to get the filmmakers to switch Pitt and Cruise's roles. Then he turned out to actually be brilliant, and the author apologized both publicly and privately to Cruise. So, contrary to expectations, Brad Pitt was the one getting all the bad reviews. My own thought was that, after the media'd been looking forward for so long to eviscerating Cruise, they turned in their disappointment on Pitt, lol.
Will Zegler put her heart in the performance... the right way? I don't wish her any ill, but I had don't think she ever will. Even if she would, I'm sure she would find a way to pull a middle finger to the "toxic" fans.
BS!!!! Jack’s was the BEST!!!!LOL!!!!🤡🤡🤡
So many good examples of this but one that comes to mind is Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter. Tons of critics and fans said it was an awful decision and that he wouldn't be able to sell that role. For most of us, we couldn't picture anyone else selling that role like he did.
Yeah, damn that was epic. I didn't even know at the time that there was a backlash on his casting. Only years after the Dark Knight I've known it.
I think Rachel's problem is probably since she was like 12 people have been telling her she's destined to be this huge star.. So the diva attitude she developed in spades..
It's so orchestrated, down to the way she's sitting and moving. Completely coached.
Halle Bailey deserves an Oscar for saying Rachel handled the criticism “gracefully”
Bailey can be redeemed and I can't say the same for Zegler.
Bailey seems like a genuinely decent person. If that's just an act then she deserves more roles and more awards. The other one... good luck to her and hope she has a good life but she appears to be a symptom of all the worst things in hollywood.
Can't stand people blowing smoke up each other's asses. The internet is an echo chamber of it. Someone posts a selfie and every friend comments with "you're so beautiful" or "such an amazing person". Instagram is the root of this evil
@@newtpondskipper Rachel is part of a larger problem within Hollywood and that is thew woke plague that some dipsh*ts at BlackRock thought would make them money.
As for Bailey she is not free from criticism neither. But her level of ego was smaller by comparison and Bailey has a chance to be redeemed in the future and Zegler has none for she has yet to earn a second chance.
@@newtpondskipperSorry to say but it's an act. Have you read about the salon incident? Hallie and her friend were extremely late to an appointment and couldn't be served. They each lost the plot and were asked to leave. Hallie then asked fans to doxx and review bomb the business. The heavily pregnant owner lost her baby due to the stress
her PR team just did a makeover. this is pretty much the business equivalent of "rebranding" the appearance change is Clear proof of that. from short brown hair to Long black hair, the slower pace of talking and mannerisms she definitly went through a course of reajustment all in order to sell the film to us plebs...
It was only that day at D23 where Rachel Zegler was being interviewed and responding with some really silly answers to the questions about Snow White. She was probably just having a bad day. I’m sure she is a nice person.
You can see clear as day that she was being honest and saying what everyone else at Disney says and she was empowered to say it, because that's what surrounds her. Turns out that those comments don't vibe with the general public, so rather than Disney backing her and having some solidarity they've scapegoated her as if she is the only one at Disney with these opinions. This interview really shows that Disney wants to control your views on them by feeding you what they think you want, because if you could see right through then we'd all probably hate them.
It's so nice seeing that someone has noticed this! She's talking about the creative process of making the new Snow White and it's obvious that the rhetoric she voiced was well established behind the scenes
One day she saw Snow White only once. The next day it’s beloved monumental film that changed history. Very believable Rachel 😅
Don't forget she also hated the ride as a kid now it was the greatest thing in the world and she stands in front of it so people will notice she is snow white
That's a good point and well made.
I like to picture Disney executives grabbing Zegler by the shoulders and going "Listen here you little shit..."
South Park Mickey Mouse.. Picture that..
That's what should have happened, but I bet the woke executives were just as surprised as Zegler by the public backlash. They're embarrassed by the white characters in the classic European fairy tales that built their company and really believe race-swapping the roles is a big win. It baffles them that the public doesn't praise them for it.
A "monumental moment". Thank you for this gift, Mr Drinks
I just find it amazing how 85 years ago Disney was able to make animations that put any of the modern day CalArts beanmouth shit to shame. Just the scene of the Queen walking down the spiraling staircase, the flowing cape, the several layers of animation... How can it be that today when we have technology and resources that would have been hardcore scifi in the 1930's and we still get shit like, well, Disney.
Digital bullshit made everyone lazy, then everything stopped being about making a good film (much less a great one), and became entirely about
《《《 THE MESSAGE 》》》.
strong times make strong people, strong people create good times and good times make weak people who end up creating strong times
There's definitely a lot more charm and sincerity in the older animation.
There is another really interesting effect going on right now that is having huge repercussions across animation. Animation quality is actually scary good right now. Scary is the perfect word. Animation can get close, but not exactly real life. Psychologists are finding out that the little inconsistencies that people subconsciously perceive creep us out. It looks real, be subtle differences tell us it isn't and that is creepier than something nowhere close to reality. The result is that animation has changed course and seem happy to find an interesting style. Viewers prefer this to near real life animation.
I noticed the exact same thing… How gracious the animation of the cape was. I think the reason is pretty simple… They were true artists who perfected their craft through care and passion. Now they're just employees working for a paycheck 🤷♂
The biggest problem with this PR attempt is pretending like her original statements never happened. Acknowledge it, explain it, add more nuance, etc. and it will come across as a much more genuine attempt to resolving things and moving forward.
There is a full year for them to do these kinds of pieces where she's coached on how to act. It'll put that stuff so far behind her the general audience isn't really going to know she ever said anything stupid.
I think the only problem I actually have is her calling it dated and saying she was scared of Snow White.
But all the other stuff is on Disney. Despite that she is a good actress and is very talented. However will she get a redemption arc? Only time will tell.
That interview was ridiculous. When Bailey said Zegler handled things gracefully I almost fell out of my chair! Grace and Zegler should never be in the same sentence!
Same sentence? They do not even occupy the same galaxy.
The point was to plant the idea into the viewer's mind that she's now "handling things gracefully". Just like tabloid newspapers write about "a great outcry", one is bound to ask "since when", and the answer is always "since now, a second ago".
I really like how sharp TCD is able to analyzes the problems our modern movie and film industry. Big like !
I wish we could go back to the days when a film could just be a film. Ideologues of any stripe are anathema to good storytelling.
"Creativity is intelligence having fun."
Activists can't tell good stories 'cuz they're thicker than stacked 2x4s (which is why they've gone all in on a symbolism over substance lifestyle that holds IMPROVING THE WORLD to be the highest virtue), and they're as much fun as a root canal.
Long live the 90s the last great decade before politics and wokeness killed america oh you didn't know your ass better call somebodyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!
That never existed. You just didn’t notice it as easily in the old films. The entire reason the TV was researched and developed was to supplant ideas in your mind. Government at its finest
I concur with the guys above me. There's always been ideology in every era of movie. It just happened that the current one is....not very popular to say the very least.
you know, the best movies tell more than a story, but they do it more clever and let the viewer, who normally uses his common sense, decide whats right or wrong.
The original SW is actually a total hero. Despite being put in a dangerous and and desperate situation, she finds a way to help others, spread positivity, make friends by being a friend, and giving outcasts a chance. Something we could all aspire to….
Absolutely and why do women need to be all the same? Not everybody wants to have power or be leaders. I'm so done with that narrative. Some of us just wanna have a family, work and just study. Why are they trashing that? Hope she's cancelled for a long f-ing time
@@narunatsu1 because this current form of Feminism is basically male envy. They want women to take on male roles that just make no sense (places where physical strength and male temperment are a must to succeed), becuase they erroneously see the traditional male role as holding all the power and women having none, which is not true, unless you see the male form of power as the only one (or the only one that matters). Women weilded great power in trad roles, just not the more obvious kind men do. Same goes for heroism.
@@dragons_red I agree! I don't see anything wrong with us working and studying. I'm an engineer, for example. But I wouldn't take a manager position, because I don't wanna work too many hours. I rather spend time with my family. I'm sick of these feminists that only care about power but then say sht about men when they do the same. I also don't wanna get employed just because of my sex, but for my skills. These people need a reality check honestly
@@dragons_red also they lie to themselves, they don't care about women but only the women who agree with them. I say i'm from the right and I don't matter anymore. They are all fake af
"Weird! Weeiird!!"
Wow It was hard to stomach more than ten minutes of that interview. Bailey has always come off as a pretty nice person but my God hearing her just say “yes” and “amen” to literally every shallow comment Zegler made grinded my gears so hard I couldn’t take it
Although that's pretty much a standard of current era Hollywood starlets, I think in that instance it was deliberate. Lets not forget it is Zegler who desperately needs an opportunity to warm her image, therefore she had to do most of the 'heavy lifting' in this interview. If Bailey was given the same amount of 'screen time' she would completely overshadow RZ and the whole interview would have been pointless. In short, HB played here the role of Zegler's hype man.
Who would have ever thought that the Kristen Stewart Snow White movie, would be considered the "better" one?
The fact that this interview was produced by Variety told me a lot about what direction this was headed.
You brought up a point I hadn't really thought about, the fact that if an actor is put in a role that they know will cause fan backlash, it would ease a lot of the hate if they said something like, "I know a lot of you might not be happy that I'm cast in this role but this is one of my favorite stories and I promise I will respect it and make you proud of my performance". I know for me, that would make me be ok with a race or gender swap.
but if your shit dont stink you need to tell everyone how problematic they are
This so much. I'm black and Luke has always been one of my favorite characters. If I were pursing some kind of star wars reboot role and was cast to play as him it would be such an amazing honor and I would want to do nothing but justice to the character, his legacy, and his history. Because it was those things that made me love him in the first place regardless of the differences of our skin color. What I don't understand is how these companies are managing to CONSISTENTLY find people to take these roles who seem to absolutely despise them and everything about them. Is there really no one in existence who grew up with these properties who loves them and is good enough to convincingly take on the role?
It would have just been so easy for her to say something like
"I loved this movie as a little kid, it's a dream job to play the role"
Something like that would have gone far for her. Instead she made it sound like she hated the part and a F U to long time fans of it.
Very much this, and if you fall short, a respectful, "We/I tried something different and we got it wrong." Just a little acknowledgement would go a long way
@@tsukasa67 I don't think they even try! Good post too!
Drinker, how you sat through 40 minutes of that interview deserves an award.
Medal of honour 🎖
Not that far
Drinker@very disciplined real man 💯 BELIEVE THAT!!!
The thing is, she came across like she absolutely *hated* the job. And that in itself would be alright, plenty of people hate their jobs. But we don't make millions out of one project.