The Death Of The Girlboss?
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- Опубликовано: 20 фев 2024
- The recent flop of Madame Web has caused mainstream media outlets to make a shocking admission - women don't watch all that many superhero movies. But what does this mean for the future? And coming after a disastrous series of female-led flops, could we be witnessing the death of the cinematic girlboss?
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I had two tickets for Madame Web on my dashboard, but someone broke into my car and left two more. 😔
It was probably part of that migrant crime wave. They're getting more insidious by the day.
Ha ha ha ha ha goodness
😂😂😂
Man, you got me on the first half NGL
😂🤣😂
Nothing says “out of touch” like making movies for women, and then getting mad at men for not being interested in them.
And the kicker? Men are the ones who go to these movies; not women.
I‘d say the most out of touch people in a society are those that dress the most ridiculous 😂, Hollywood fits the bill and their are other examples throughout history
Well the men should just love the fact that they are becoming obsolete and enjoy whatever is left that they clearly don’t deserve. Apparently.
Well, judging by the numbers women are not buying tickets either. Most women are not that stupid
@@LordVulcan93 Those men are beta males
I think that’s one of the reasons I love Ghibli films so much. The lead characters are mostly female, but they have weaknesses with their strengths and you have male counterparts that also have weaknesses and strengths. But they come together and help and support one another. It’s not competitive.
This. While both sexes often don't understand each other, in the end we're just two sides of the same coin. Doesn't mean we have the same (dis)likes and want to be the same. There's no "unisex" human being, a "one size fits it all".
Ghibli films are peak
Cool, like the Sequel Trilogy then!
And personally, not too much of a fan Ghibli movies(My Neighbor Totoro is peak fiction though, very wholesome movie).
We need to talk about Ghibli movies more!!!
They are the best!!
They often end up being foils, and the gender on each side isn't always the same either.
The biggest flop of the female boss concept is that they constantly try to make these female leads flawless characters, giving them zero complexity and no room for growth. Captain marvel, she-hulk, and rey palpatine are the same person from the beginning of their appearances to the end.
agreed
Every female character is written like a Steven Seagal movie or One Punch Man. Those 2 things are interesting because they are not the norm; even then they lose their appeal after awhile. There is a reason the trope of a hero losing then coming back is so prevalent. Every now and then a Seagal or OPM throws a nice alternative into the mix, but you cant have every single character in every movie/TV show be like that.
And every single female character is written that way. It would get tiring and old if every male character is written that way, too. And thats why most strong male characters are always overcoming and powering up over a movie and generally losing at some point before pulling themselves off the canvas.
The problem with growth is that when it is actually done for a good reason, it usually implies that the person in question had a need to grow beforehand. You cant really have a character that shows growth without first showing them being immature, AND actually suffering the consequences of it. But since modern hollywood doesnt dare to EVER show women facing consequences, they cant have that kind of character arc. They must already start at the finish line of the race, because showing them struggling to learn how to run is deemed offensive.
“Bruce, I realize you were abused by your father, lost your mother at an early age, suffer from crippling mental illness, have made several suicide attempts, lost your lover and failed when it matters most……. but I’m a woman in a very privileged position, had a loving family, don’t have any diagnosed mental illnesses and I have it harder than you.”
You forgot the fact that he was hunted like a dog by the military and for a period of time, had his identity itself erased. But yeah, pretty awful writing, she hulk can be a great character, and she was until the current Marvel got their hands on her, now everyone has that image of her at the forefront of their brains every time they hear her name. It's just sad really
@@christianberg8128 *hunted. But yes. Agreed.
Ladies will produce this, then wonder why men are being radicalized against them.
@@keonkla They were radicalized against us by "feminism" for over a century, conveniently glossing over the minor fact that they entirely exist within the frame we built and maintain. The whole shitshow vaporizes within a milisecond as soon as enough of us have had it. And we're approaching that point at exponential acceleration.
@@christianberg8128 Oh boy oh boy. He was turned into a monster in an accident that should have killed him. A monster that had a mind of its own living inside him and takes his control away at times. He was hunted by the military for something he cannot control. It would an easy fate if the military sought to kill him but they wanted to make more of him. He couldn't let himself be caught for his own sake and for the sake of others as well. He was forced to kill his own father. Forced to leave his lover behind and head into isolation. And when he was approached by a team of good willing people, they still did treat him like a monster and they sought to recruit the monster in him rather. He never belonged in the team and he felt inadequate. Hulk losing control from Wanda made it clear that the monster in him was not supposed to exist in this world. His isolation no matter where in earth was not the solution. He left earth with what little semblance of sanity that Hulk had that he shared with Bruce. Bruce was taken over entirely by the monster in him. Doesn't remember anything and when he comes back he gets pummeled by a Space Titan in an inch of his life and when he had finally got in touch with the monster in him and started to care for him, the monster left him alone to fend for himself as the weak human he was. His identity lost in a time of extreme need. He failed to save the cosmos from the throes of the Mad Titan and they all failed. He couldn't convince himself saying he did all that he could. He couldn't. He had finally learned to control the monster in him literally. There is no more Hulk, only Bruce. After all that he had been through, after gaining redemption by sacrificing a part of his body to use the stones and bring back the dead, he had finally won himself and the war he fought for ages.
But then a woman comes along and tells him that her single drunken life of being a lawyer for heroes that saved humanity several times over is more harder than his own.
The whole boss girl era saved me a lot of money on movie / TV show purchases
It’s amazing how much time some people spend hating movies and TV shows with women in them. It’s an odd hobby, for sure.
The (good thing) about this woke era is that it saves us money.
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That’s… not why they hate them.
@@sthubbins4038 Ironic considering you've spent the last 5 years coming to what u consider right wing channels and desperately hating in the comments 🤔
Amazing huh
@@realnamehidden1314It’s exactly why they hate them. It’s right there in the title of the video.😂
Got a new 4K TV and I fell off the MCU wagon right around “Civil War.” I thought I would go through all 33+ movies in timeline order. The decline came fast and hard, every female lead movie my GF was on her phone or walking around doing stuff and would say “I’m still watching!” Came to the conclusion of most woman didn’t want these movies either.
Idk why you stop at civil. There’s still endgame Infinity war. And a lot of single movies that are still good. Just don’t pick shit movies you aren’t gonna watch
@@Pugerino I'm in the minority who absolutely HATED 80% of Endgame. So many of the problems people complain about in the MCU are in that movie. Bloated plot. Endless "jokes". Lack of seriousness. Total pandering and nostalgia bait. Fat Thor. Tony's Dad. Capt back in time. The end of the movie is a fight with a version of Thanos that we just met. Terrible.
@@user-vg8ox3he1iI don’t think we are the minority just uncommon,because the majority wasn’t thinking logically critically hard enough :p
You want to tell me that Thor: The Dark World and Iron Man 2 didn' make her like this?
That's you realising that your girlfriend was watching the guys in movies and dreaming of her upgrade. The day will come when you find you've been cheated on or she has moved out 😂
1. It’s ALWAYS forced
2. The super hero audience is mostly male. So you’re making a product to appeal to 20-30% of the viewer base.
3. I feel like when men think of “strong” women it isn’t necessarily physical strength like they are forcing on us. It’s seeing your grandma looking at her 9 kids and 20 grandkids at every family gathering. That’s strength.
1. Not really
2. Proof? Some quick searches, I've found that 24% women and 43% men were comic book fans, also, 47% fans of Marvel were women according to a 2021 survey. It's a pretty sizeable chunk; even a woman I know has read Watchmen and a lot of other comics, partiuclarly Superman.
3. Some people are into women whi csn break their bones with their bare hands; one of the reasons She-Hulk is so popular.
Well, she-hulk is not a popular thing but a well-know flop.
@@user-ek1uk5tg8f Decent numbers on Disney+, not a flop, especially considering the amount of videos on it.
The same case as the Transformers movies, good numbers even if not very liked.
@@user-ek1uk5tg8fAs a super hero, he's probably not talking about the show.
It wasn't always forced but very recently it went nuts.
"It's like watching someone with an almost complete jigsaw puzzle who simply refuses to put the final piece into place because they don't like the picture that it forms."
Wow. That's one of the best things anyone has ever said.
I laughed out loud when he said that because holy heck, that was spot on.
from Critical Drinker's short story: The Jigsaw Picture of Dorian Gray
You should read a proper book perhaps ...
That is a Brilliant analogy!!! :D. It's going to make me smile whenever I think of it!
@@Piperitum Like the kind you read? Because what you said wasn't remotely clever or insightful but was very petty, so I doubt I'd take any of your literary recommendations.
I don't think we are out of the cringe Era yet. Western gaming and Disney still has more money to lose
Ike perlmetter from Disney was right to try and stop feige from the female centric mcu ….and he got axed lol
So true. That woke movement has so much money to burn.
Their are a few years ahead of shitty woke games.
Well, atleast I don't have any money to lose
“Western gaming” oh piss off
@@nikibronson133forspoken....
I can't stop laughing at Barbie being "interrupted by big macho action scenes" with guns and explosions in mountains
Would had made it in a better movie, for sure
And Large Knives
As a nerdy guy I've completely checked out of capekaka anything at this point.
I couldn't tell you what's going on in comic books, video games, movies. TV/Streaming. None of it.
Same my man...same...
I only know current movies by name, I know nothing of their characters/story/world building...absolutely nothing. The only time I'll consider watching a movie now is when people give it really good reviews, and even then I usually wait a few months and just stream it. I went to Infinity War/Endgame with nothing more than the trailers for them, and those were the last two times I went to the theater.
probably for the best.
reading any random book with some good reviews is often more fun for me that an epic movie.
Mainly cos books dont have to cram a story into 2hrs, find good composers, choreographers, actors, writers, fx artists, etc.
As an older guy, I just stopped watching new movies altogether. Stopped paying attention to their announcements.
It's called growing up. Welcome to the adult world.
@@salazam no u, you'ure mum gei bro.
As a woman, it just INFURIATES me when they try to shoehorn a female character into the lead that panders to me as an audience member. You know who DIDN'T pander to me? Princess Lea, Uhura, Ripley, Sarah Connor, Trinity, Selene, even Black Widow in "The Avengers." And, what do these characters all have in common? They are organically strong & agentic characters whose toughness was an integral part of their nature & who star in iconic movie classics BECAUSE they are so great. But, put a Rey, or Rose, or Captain Marvel in a movie, or even a scene where all of the "girl power" comes together at once to fight the villain, & I am OUT! As a consumer of entertainment, I am smart enough to spot the difference between a good character, regardless of their sex, & a forced, feminist token, & I have been since I was about 4 years old.
Seee you’re one of the realest women. Because I am the same as a black male I can tell when they are trying to pander to me and it makes me cringe when all I want is a comic accurate great film. Black widow was one of the strongest women not because she had powers but because she was a woman amongst basically gods and keeping up with all of them and was a strong part of the team. So is scarlet witch. But when u just try to make women like She-hulk say she’s better than hulk and has it harder because she gets cat called on the street. When bulls father killed and abused his mom while also abusing him and then would experiment on him. To the point where hulk bruce tried to kill himself but hulk spit it out.
You pretty much named all my crushes while growing up lol
Galadriel, arwen, and eowyn were also fantastic and strong women as well. Arwen originally was going to be at the battle of helms deep, all the scenes were shot with her in it and everything but it was all cut. Liv tyler said about arwen "you dont have to put a sword in her hand to make her strong ---- she was an incredibly powerful and fearless women, filled with so much hope and belief and that is strong enough"
@@kahmarigreen5392it's just sad when they take work away from redheads, gingers need icons too!
You can be my wing woman anytime!
These screenwriters need to understand that smugness is a villainous character trait and humility is a heroic one.
Yep same with being vindictive
& wanting revenge.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 If used correctly, it could be an interesting flaw written for the character. Though, God knows it's not being used that way as of right now.
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This is a very concise way to put it. Well done sir.
Also been noticing the way beauty and purity is villianized. As in women can’t be beautiful and kind and soft.
You’ve nailed it; the failure of these studios is understanding the core audiences, what they each want/enjoy and that there’s nothing inherently want that
I am so tired of the young masculinized woman trope in Western films as well as the manipulative, aggressive and entitled young woman trope seen in Asian films and television. This type of media drives men away.
As a heterosexual woman who loved superhero movies, I don't want to see a bunch of boss-babes either. Boss-babes are the women who make my job miserable. Why would I want to see them in my movies that I used to escape all that?
Good one
Is there any other kind than heterosexual? Lol
so so so glad you felt that it was necessary to include ur a str8 gurl lol
@@smokingintherental I would imagine because she preface it so you know she likes the male eye candy more than a girl boss. Was that so hard to understand. On top of it all. The constant "gay/lesbian" in every movie and show. Meaning she is straight she couldn't care less about Lesbian girl bosses.
@@smokingintherentalit is pretty necessary when theres a ton of stuff that caters to gays and lesbians
Hollywood:
"How much money do we have to lose before we learn the lesson?"
"Yes."
They dont need to learn a lesson seens they are founded by company that owns all the money in the world " BlackRock" and they dont care about losses if its for pushing the MESSAGE.
Bro Strat watches the drinker,cool af
All of the monies. ALL OF IT.
A corporation is paying all these entertainment to push agendas If they don’t fall in line then they lose all funding.
@@madkoala2130 It gotta be hard to be afraid of every fucking thing :D
Perfect video - one of your absolute best mate, well done!
when you tell them that its not gonna work after several years of trying, they'll tell you that during all that time it was not applied well. They'll just keep looking for an excuse to keep doing it while alienating everyone else.
"Death of the Girlboss"
And every male and female audience on the planet equally cheered in unison with great fervor.
It's more like the abortion of the girlboss.
It never really took off.
No matter how much they tried to force it.
@@The13thRoninat most it just got some slight breeze but that was all, a breeze
I love the part where the narrator said: In the bleak wasteland of Hollywood, they were forced to eat all the girl bosses...and there was much rejoicing...
@@The13thRoninOh, don't say "abortion". All the right wing youtubers will become aggrieved and try to prevent it.
@@wyldhowl2821not a single right wing person gives a shit if it's used in this context, in fact they probably like it
It is the Bill Burr joke of Women failing the WNBA all over again.
"Cause you don't sell any fucking TICKETS!!!"😂😂
Was this before or after his wife's intervention.
@@icycrusader1947Intervention?, what are you talking about
@@oliverholmes-gunning5372
Lady ballers refernce? The moment men went to the court people started watching it.
Too bad Bill died and got replaced by a cucked clone.
One problem no one talks about was that all the good movies in the MCU were written by like 5 people.
Joss Whedon.
Jon Favreau.
James Gunn.
Markus and McNfeely.
They all left.
why is good dialogue so rare in superhero movies? i know the original starwars had terrible dialogue and the actors convinced the director to tweak it (was still a bit stale but more believable). dont even need a good writer, just a good english teacher should be enough to fix many of the recent flops
The Russo brothers are great as well
Your editorial style has evolved. By counterpointing Barbie and Maverick and (at a bigger scale the differences between appetites of the two demographics) this comes across as way more nuanced than your earlier stuff. Good work.
I'm sure that he thanks you for your critique, and will sleep better at night. 😅😁😆
100%. I'm old enough to remember when studios didn't hate their audiences
Hollywood follow trends, always. It's not about "loving" or "hating" the audience
You see there's a nuance here though - trends or not, this stuff must generate profit and not ruin franchises over the fucking agenda "message".
@@RRRRRRRRR33the trends are set by the audience not the world at large but there are people meddling in the “trend market”. That is the problem that big business all over the globe is having. The money (think of those who participate in WEF), is only paying and supporting their own agenda for their own gain and these businesses are told to toe the line or have their funding pulled.
@mcm The trends are set by a multitude of reasons, you are giving too much credit for the supposed "audience", there's so many kinds of audiences to begin with. It's usually all about the "conservadorism" balancing itself with the "libertarians", back in the 50s the trend was to be prudish, things boiled down with time, to a point the 80s focused a lot on sexuality (exposing the male and female bodies, action heroes, half naked women in commercials to children, etc), conservadorism took over again in the next decades, then here it comes the libertarian again, etc.. it's the same bullshit, a cycle of hypocrisy. Star Wars hired Carrie Fisher, a supposed "actress", to walk around without a bra... fast forwarding to the current trends, Rey is dressed like a nun. It's just idiotic
Nowadays people are giving too much attention to mainstream media, basing their identities on it, superheroes "representing" black culture, then you have the lonesome scum paying "streamers" to acknowledge them, etc.. I think the audience of this channel tends to act in a extremist way very similar to the "woke" trend you people love to attack. Can't you see how stupid this whole "discourse" truly is, the sheer irony? Who gives a fuck about Disney, if they are depicting "minorities" or not, if the "girlboss" is annoying or not, etc.. it's just entertainment, this kind of crap is not supposed to affect reality, but here we are, you people are taking this crap way too seriously. Life is not about the extreme "right" or "left", be on my "side" or not, this is such a immature behavior. Witnessing how you idiots reacts with such "passion", emotions taking over rationality, I guess the horseshoe theory was right all along, we only needed social media to prove it... and goddamn, it's really ugly to watch smh at least I can practice my english, so this social media "war" has it's uses
@@RRRRRRRRR33 I didn't know being pedo was a trend.
I genuinely agree with everything you said - as a woman who loves action/fantasy/super hero movies I’ve been turned off by the girlboss because 1.) one note characters and lazy writing 2.) the disrespect to the male counterparts is painful. Why would I want to watch some arrogant bully instead of an honorable protector?? They missed the mark so hard
Same. I loved the MCU years ago, I love action, I love sci-fi, but I don't love this BS.
If you like reading fiction in addition to watching it. Give the web novel `A practical guide to evil` a chance. It's free and fresh. Especially compared to what Hollywood has given us the past decade
Couldn't have said it better myself. I remember when the heroes were all treated as flawed but good and decent individuals who actually cared about others instead of acting like entitled assholes who are all preachy and obnoxious.
Lol not to mention I like watching superhero movies because the guys are hot, if I want to watch a film about a strong woman I’ll watch Legally Blonde or something.
The first Wonder Woman got the female hero character so right. She respected and cared for her male team, other people.
This is a very well done video. I agree with everything you said minus one thing... I do not think the girl boss concept is dead just yet... I can see them still vainly trying to pump out more of that garbage, defiantly expecting to beat the odds. I feel we have a few more years at least of this mess.
Once again, you’ve just perfectly stated everything we were all thinking, as only you could articulate. That’s why I love your content
I worked in Hollywood studios from 1999-2019. Here’s what’s gone wrong : in the old days , a studio boss or the executive shepherding the project HAD TO LIKE IT - seriously; it didn’t have to be “Citizen Kane” but they had to really dig it on some level. (Audiences were not ignored : of course there were always test screenings - but the idea was “how do we make the thing WE like into something THEY love?”). Then, around 2013, someone decided “we don’t have to like the project, we need to convince ourselves they THEY will like it - so we’ll just change how we think !”. And the problem with that is : when nobody on the team really truly likes the project, everyone goes home at 5pm and you end up where we are now…❤
Interesting, thank you for the insight into the industry.
or woke marxism tropes either or
It's like Norm Macdonald said, in order to do a good parody, you have to like the person. If you dislike the person then the parody will be awful. Like you hinted at, you can't make something great if you don't believe in it yourself.
@@danielc9595 the "woke" tropes are a result of the "we need to convince ourselves they will like it" because it became a mission of seeking out where the money was, rather than creating new spaces where money is produced.
Interestingly, it almost seems the exact opposite from the outside. The execs and especially the “creatives” seemingly making what *they* like (in this case, usually aligning with their world view of how things should be), and basically giving the finger to what the *audience* likes.
Ellen Ripley is the golden standard of a female badass lead. As a guy, I was rooting for her the entire movie amongst the majority of the male cast. I wanted her to win till the end. She was smart, She was brave, She was caring and at the same time, She was vulnerable and scared. Her fight somehow felt personal and I could empathise with her. At the same time the story wasn't entirely about her. That was the magic of that movie.
^^^This.
Ripley was a master class of having a strong believable female protagonist. And that was damn near 30 years ago.
Yes, and the way she beats the bad alien in both movies, is not by being a man and stronger than everyone. It’s by using her intelligence and outsmarting the alien when everyone else, using brute force could not. If Aliens was made today, all the men would tell her to stay back as they get hacked to pieces and then Ripley would just jump 30 feet and beat the Alien with her bare hands in like 5 seconds. It would be boring and ridiculous.
What helped Ripley was that originally the character was made without a defined gender in mind, the role could have easily been played by a man. The actress sold it as a female character, and thus we got a mama bear instead of a papa wolf.
Or heather from silent hill 3. She is generally agreed to be the best protagonist in the series because of how brave and relatable she is despite her fear.
@@chadly211bucks Alien was released 45 years go, not 30.
4:26 - 4:51 perfectly sums up the main problems with the Girlboss trope
It's insane how they've forgotten business 101... give the people what they want. Barbie and Top Gun are prime examples of understanding target audience. Marvels? ooof.
*putting on clown makeup meme*
-Make our female protagonist perfect with no flaws
-Give her an abrasive personality where people will not like her
-Have her win everything and not learn anything
-Why do audiences hate strong female characters?
-quick blame the same audience
You forgot "Make every single male character a dumb sexist coward so the female protagonist looks better in comparison".
Also let her sexually harass/assault men without their consent and treat it as “comedy” but go full rage mode the moment a guy mentions she’s attractive
😂well said 👏
-Have a budget of 200 million dollars+ and still look cheap
Even the uber macho Rocky and Rambo had to over come the odds, poverty, fear and self doubt to win by sheer grit as the underdog. That makes a character relatable.
Rocky also had support from a loving, devoted Adrian who underwent personal growth from a shy, docile servant of her brother to an outgoing, confidant individual to where she snapped Rocky out of all that fear and self-doubt plaguing him in the third film.
Seeing you use "uber" in context made me a little nostalgic...
Thank you old sport
This.
@@jwill6008 Gatsby? 😮😮😮
RCU > MCU
Fantastic rhetoric, arguments and solid points. Great analyses that enlighten us.
Critical you are the best. I share your videos with my best friend and my 78 year old mom.
When I took a creative writing class, one of the first things we learned was know your audience and write to them.
That sounds like the kind of advice to give to people who want to write pulp novels...
@@gagatubeOr an actually cohesive story. 😂
And show not tell, something sorely forgotten in the virtual signalling dogshit scripts of today... i.e if you want to show inequality show it, show the character endure it, make the audience empathise with the character rather than the crap we get today where they outright tell you directly in the dialogue.
I like this because I am my own audience when I write. And I write what I know.
Like my fanfiction
Hay Critical Drinker, as a woman myself I 100 percent agree with you. I grow up in late 90s and early 2000 seeing badass actresses like Angeline Jolie, Charlize Theron, and Milla Jovovich in the screen but one thing I noticed about those early movies is the female characters always working side by side with men or a lover which made the movie all well more interesting and exciting. I don’t understand why nowadays female leading films have to hate on men and create this division between each other. I miss those good old days. I guess it’s because of the woke era but even myself has a women hates all this new generation garbage films. 😂 Keep up the good work I love your channel! We need more honest opinions like yours😄👍
In almost 60 years on this earth, most confidential and honest conversations I've had with females have involved females communicating that they "don't like other women".
Who am I to disagree with pattern recognition?
Careful!! The feminists may cancel you!!!
They want to create a strong character that isn't tied or tethered to a man in any capacity. The issue arises when you focus too much on the woman aspect and not the actual character.
Furthermore, the reason why these new movies with women don't work is because we don't view women the same way as men. What I mean by this, is that most movies have an invincible man archetype who is super powerful, barely gets injured or hurt, knows their stuff, competent, and has little hindrance. The problem is, if you put a woman into a similar setup, she reads as boring, bitchy, girl boss, etc. Now take in genre, these women are being placed in. It's all superhero nonsense. Most women don't care about that so they won't watch it and most men care about t and a, so they won't watch it either.
Women in movies are limited, especially if they are written by a man, and I personal dont relate to female characters whose interest are in nurturing or relationship building. So I stick to horror, where the women can suffer and have character growth.
And woke just means being aware of social injustices. If you lot can't get the etymology of a word correct, dont bloody use it. It's just fake appeasement at this point
It isn't about entertainment, it's about propaganda. As Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and George Orwell have both warned us "it's never about what they say it's about."
They keep making movies/TV for a new audience. An audience that they know, doesn't exist. That only makes sense if it's about ideology and not profit or entertainment.
freud called it penis envy
I doubt he was right.
But i guess he was not totally wrong either.
The repressed rage of the experience of suppression over thousands of years has been giving a plaform to express itself.
And since everything else is going to shit right now, why dont point the finger at them and hate
As a woman I loved Starbuck and Buffy and Sydney (Alias), Ripley and Princess Leia and Black Widow and others that rang true in the universe it depicted. They didn't sideline or eliminate or negate the presence of men. They were organic and weren't out to demonize all male characters.
I avoid films that either destroy iconic male heroes (Star wars, Terminator, Indiana Jones sequels) or just drop a bunch of females into a poorly written story and think I'll bite.
When did hot male heroes and super heroes go out of fashion for the heterosexual female? It hasn't for me.
As a female who spent 6 years in the US Army i have to say my experience was definitely less Captain Marvel who was being told she couldnt fly or something. And more Maverick Phoenix with people just being people and being modivating.
As a man, I really feel like Glee could've used an MMA Club arc.
YES! If ever we needed a spinoff, THIS is it!
Hahaha. As a man I enjoy Glee and appreciate that it actually gets its target audience
No but i legit wanted a battle rap episode so badly
What is this word, man? It's a little ambiguous. Could you please elaborate on what you mean by the word? Is there some kind of discernible objective fact about you physically and/or psychologically that this word describes? The reason I ask is that I'm a marketing consultant interested in targeting a demographic I've read about where that would frequently pops up, but it's exact composition eludes me. It's fascinating. I'd love to know more.
You're a man? Shame!
Funny story about Top Gun: Maverick. At the end of 2019, my sister and I were part of the first test audience for that movie. Of course we had no idea it was going to be Maverick until about 5 minutes before it started. Before that my sister had never seen the first movie and wasn't sure if she would get lost or even like it.
By the end she not only loved it, but rented the first movie and became a fan. So moral of the story, you don't have to pander to women for them to like your movie.
Did she like volleyball scene?
@@slake9727 Today you can easily see better physiques and faces on the internet. Back in '86 it was different.
There you go. A natural victory and no pandering required
Love that so much.
It's anecdotic and an exception.
Most women don't appreciate this kind of movies.
I am a woman that enjoys superheroes and action movies but I am not a fan of the recent female lead movies. My main problem is the writing of the characters - they are flawless and don't grow at all because “they have been women!?!” (a statement mentioned in she-hulk). So I want to see strong CHARACTERS with flaws that grow and improve, men or women
Wanna know why characters like Ellen Ripley, Sarah Conner and Jamie Lloyd worked? It wasn't because they were women but because they each had a properly written hero's journey. You do this and it doesn't matter who is in the role of the hero because you just want to root for the hero.
A lot of female protagonists nowadays either don't have this journey altogether or they have the stepping stones but the writers muck up the delivery.
Hollywood has turned into the playschool teacher who takes the blocks from the boys so the girls can play with them, only for the girls to keep playing with dolls while nobody gets to play with the blocks.
Its a Canon Event
That’s actually the perfect analogy to describe what is happening.
nice analogy
80s and 90s female leads kicked serious butt compared with today's hot-mess.
Because they were still designed to appeal to the core audience of action adventure movies, the male audience. They were visually appealing and they had flaws and they didn't take the places that traditionally belonged to the male characters within the stories. They also didn't try to use the female side characters to demean and replace the main male characters in their own franchises like what we had in WOT, in He-Man, in Star Wars and in many other franchises and shows in recent years. "Kill Bill" is the perfect example of a great female led action movie, the same with the Alien movies from the 80's, and many others.
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@@MamaMOB It's a bot, report it.
Wait how can that be possible since Jennifer Lawrence was the first female action star 😂
Delenn will always be my favorite girlboss
Great video I wonder why executives disregard hard core fans of anything anymore??? That’s originally how fan bases became what they are. A company realizes people like their product or project and continue to cater towards the positive reactions. Now that’s seemingly unheard of in modern times. Star wars hasn’t had anything for a core fan for a while and so has marvel. If u really resonated with the movies right after iron man 2 or anything up to the prequels in Star Wars I believe your a core fan and none have been born since those early times. That’s the metric they need to follow is core fans and the consistency that comes from that, then build upon it, not the other way around. No one can force people to casually view media and expect growth. However, you can cause a hardcore fan no choice but to see the new project that’s from a universe they love, that’s easy and already proven to work monetarily.
The one thing that would have helped Madame Web would have been if Sony had put characters in the film comic fans knew about. Had the film been about a Margot Robbie-played Gwenpool, for instance, I think it would have sold better. Apart from Madame Web, I was not too familiar with the characters of the film; and I have no real idea who the Spider-Man-esque character is even after reading about him. I haven’t watched the movie-probably will though-but this is what I got from the trailers.
I always think of Lord of the Rings when thinking of girl bosses. Those movies are very male centric, but the few female characters in the movies were badass. Galadriel isn't killing ice trolls and bullying everyone like in Rings of Power, but you can just tell she's a badass and very powerful. Then you have Eowyn who is allowed to have a "flaw" or have a weak moment, only to rise from it and defeat one of the strongest characters in the world. That's how you do it.
males actually really enjoy admirable, strong female characters with a great character arch and does this without degrading and demeaning males...
Look at Ripley from Alien series for instance. 100% female, not trying to be male, there are strong male characters but she is the lead character....there are also incompetent and/or weak male and female characters. ie. people with all of their strengths and flaws. Ripley is not a Mary Sue.
The entire problem is that the writers/directors hate males, WANT to degrade and humiliate males and show them as incompetent morons.... and they are shocked and amazed that male audiences do not like it.
@chandie5298 Precisely...I love badass female characters, Ripley as you mentioned, then you have the character from Atomic Blonde, also the women from ANDOR and WARRIOR...all are well written characters.
@@chandie5298 You got it. Girl boss is not the problem. Man hater feminist boss is. Cara Dune, Lara Croft and Alita are OK. And, considering LOTR, Shelob is female.
She was serious bad assery as she even saved Gandalf. And she went 1 on 1 with the Eye forgot the baddie's name.
I always think of Marvel
Even my wife, a giant superhero movie fan, cant stand the agenda behind the superhero movies these days. We sat down to watch Captain Marvel and made it a whole 11 minutes before she wanted to turn it off.
How long have U been with Ur wife ??
@@OnlyMyOpinionMatterswhat's your social? Do you have space in your basement? When was the last time you defecated?
Fact is despite all the made up BS that Hollywood has been pushing, majority of both men and women at least somewhat like and support the more "traditional" aspects that men and womens roles in society have normally been thought of Its called evolution. So yeah the reaction from your wife is probably the same for most other women
Same, I made it in about 20 mins and tuned out. This is from a marvel fan who couldn't wait for a new marvel movie to come out. Ever since endgame everything went down the drain with all these agendas. Can't remember the last time I was excited to go to the movies.
@@munozyoshi I love when people who watch Marvel movies act like they ever had any taste for movies lol
Excellent commentary with a lot of truth behind it. The real question remains though as to whether the studios have the guts to face down the withering reviews of the woke media critics they will receive if/when they return to a formula that's desired. The progressive machine behind these unpopular plots is still small in comparison to the general population. Yet when they set their sites on a target they can do a lot of damage to a corporation, especially when they get their buddies in government involved in the process (which they nearly always do). I honestly feel bad for these studios because they are basically screwed either way. Make their core audiences happy again and revenues will go up, but the media mob will go nuts and suddenly tax breaks will disappear, odd FTC investigations will open up, etc. etc. There really needs to be a cultural change back to the norm first if they are ever going to be very profitable again.
The Hero's Journey ( Movies audiences like) involves both internal and external battles of conquest. detailing where the protagonist becomes worthy of victory via work or redemption by sacrifice.
Girl Boss movies involve zero personal growth zero work, zero sacrifice zero worth.
They vanquish their enemies deus ex machina style: because "girl empowerment" is a god given a priori fact
(only the bluehaired lesbians with an axe to grind against girl bosses detractors like it, and the writers/directors)
I’m a female with traditionally ‘masculine’ interests. I can’t stand the majority of romances and musicals. And I still have zero interest in watching any of these shitty superhero films. The idea a film is ‘catered’ to me because it features a bunch of one dimensional and boring female characters is insulting; I find the idea I will automatically relate to them because they also happen to share my gender to be incredibly sexist. I’ve never given a shit what gender the characters are, only that they’re interesting and written well. And honestly, I think the majority of people- men and women- feel the same. My favorite films are the Lord of the Rings trilogy, an infamous sausage fest- and guess what, nobody had a problem with Eowyn being a badass in that. Because she was a well written character in a well written film. How these movie execs fail to see that is baffling to me.
This is what I keep saying. The concept of representation is a good one - for programs aimed at young children. By the time a child is aged 10, if they struggle to see the value in a character that does not 'look like them', I think that speaks to developmental issues that need to be addressed.
As a woman, I am in complete agreement.
Greetings fellow female-with-nerd-tastes. I know just what you mean because I remember feeling the seed of this as a girl with Wonder Woman. It's basically "Hello little lady, you girls have your very own super hero." F#(< that, I'll decide what I like, thank you and it's not that condescending claptrap.
@threewiseman1 Yes, fiction building empathy by leading you to share the struggle of those you have nothing in common with was the purpose of fiction going back to ancient greece. It is literally what Aristotle wrote about in the Poetics. "Representation" and wish fulfillment power fantasies are completely at odds with the drama for adults that so many comic book fans want their superhero stories to be seen as. Quite apart from the appallingly uninteresting girl boss fad, you simply cannot do both at once. You can make 78 Superman or Logan, but not both at the same time.
one word: DEI
As a woman, THANK GOD!
I havent watched a single "girl boss" series or movie. I have no interest in seeing a woman doing it all. 😴
"Doing it All"
aliens, terminator, t2 and hunger games with Jlaw were all decent.
Hallelujah!
"a woman" yeah right. No actual woman would type that shit
I'm literally at the point that if I see a female as the lead I'm not interested. They literally made me sexist against my own sex. I don't trust female leads in movies anymore.
Great commentary as always.
Characters like Cersei Lannister showed how a female character can be brutally strong without using her fists
I hope there's not an overreaction, and that Hollywood learns "no female action heroes". We want no girl bosses, no Mary Sues, no Message, but going back to relatable female heroes in amongst the men is where I'd like us to end up.
Agree, like prey, which had a female lead go thru an arc, fail and learn.
edit: I should add prey also did this without the expense of male characters; her brother is very competent
I don’t know if they know how to write women anymore without including the agenda. Could they even write a Ripley now even if they wanted to. It’s like realistic portrayals have atrophied away in the last decade/s.
nah after all the crap we were given i seriously hope for an overreaction!
I agree with a lot of that, but unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if the no-Message part would be harder than you think to do (especially since the act creating art/media is a form of communication in general). Even a lot of stories in the past had messages to convey (movies like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings convey good vs evil messages, American Psycho and It Lives had political messages about corporate greed and yuppie culture, ancient mythologies/folklore/fairytales always had morals involved, etc).
Would love to hear how future artists could try to remove politics and/or social commentary from their art, but I'm not holding my breath since humans have always done it for centuries. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@sattymike0155Ripley always comes to mind when I think of well written, believable, strong female characters.
First thing I learned in film studies was to know your audience 😫 how could they be this unqualified yet qualified at the same time?
They checked DEI boxes. Any more questions?
I'm inclined to agree with the Drinker: they saw the audience demographics as a problem that needed to be solved, rather than a constraint that needed to be accounted for.
Which isn't to say that DEI has no part to play; one of its tenets is that everybody is an interchangeable widget, and that any 'differences' are imposed from without and _prima facie_ evidence that an -ism has been done.
Less than half of your superhero audience is female? Must be because the movie is sexist!
@@boobah5643 “superhero genre is sexist”
Because they know what they’re doing. They don’t care about losing money, they will keep making these work films as part of a psyop on the American people with the goal being to demoralize and feminize men as much as possible. Expect this type of shit and stop being dumbfounded
$$$ and China/globalist influence.
I'm a woman and I usually prefer entertainment made for men (since I was a kid and I loved the Mortal Kombat games)
But I like male entertainment *because is targeted to men* I like the archetypes, I like the hero arc, the aesthetic elements etc who men usually likes. I'm not a man, nor a tomboy, it's just my preference.
Women like me, who likes 'male stuff' exists, but we're a minority and changing what we like to pander to people with different tastes will alienate us.
Well said. I'd add that the "death of the girlboss" has also been accompanied by a massive drop in interest for superhero movies. The fact that Marvel and DC are flopping one after another while non-superhero movies like Barbie and Oppenheimer are taking front stage in popular culture brings me great joy.
I miss characters such as Seline ( Underworld ) , Beatrix ( Kill Bill ) and Rita Vrataski ( Edge of tomorrow ) , but nowadays i only see characters such as Ray ( Star Wars ) and Captain Marvel ( Marvel )
Don't forget Akasha from Queen of the Damned.
Frieren as well.
Ellen Ripley from the Alien franchise.
You mean Ray and Captain marvel are different characters? I didn't realize...
@BetaSuqad >> They mentioned Beatrix (The Bride).
T2 is the perfect example of male and female lead characters who were powerful, yet flawed, and learned from each other.
No one doubted that Sarah Conner was capable and smart... and no one doubted the Terminator's abilities... but the story hinged on the robot learning to be human and why we cry, while the scarred woman learned not to become an emotionless killing machine and to reclaim her humanity as a mother.
Very well said. The first two Terminator movies, as well as the first Alien movies (and maybe also the third) were all able to tell stories about ordinary women rising to a challenge without ever ridiculing men. Then there’s films like Thelma & Louise, which are able to show ‘bad men’ without implying that all men are bad. I’m sure we’ll get films like that again.
Thats possibly the greatest summary of T2 i've read. Well said :)
There was an explanation of how Sarah Conner became a girl boss. She didn't just become one magically out of thin air. She was a young, naive and trusting in the first film and then all hell broke loose. She learned from it, learned that bad things were coming, realized that she had to train hard, work hard, build some muscles, learn how to fight and shoot and she became jaded because no one believed her warnings, everyone just kept walking around like sheep, she was disgusted by everyone because they were as clueless as she used to be.
Today? All the girl bosses are just born girl bosses. That helps "the message" in that we must believe all women are perfect from the get-go and thus must never learn anything because they already know it because they are so wise. OK, but that doesn't make for much of a story.
Yeah! Sarah is a great character in both T1 and 2 , id say very different in both but great and relatable.
Another is Ripley from Alien franchise
, these two are great examples of strong female characters and keep saing it when it comes to the boss babe topic.
These two are characters not trying to prove anything, they just do what they got to do.
This was my favorite film as a kid. At the time, as an 8 year old, I don’t think I could have articulated the philosophical point you made, but I knew it. It’s why I also love ‘The Fifth Element’. The women are strong, in their own way, yet fragile.
It’s the same reason I never fell for feminism; I was able to recognize it and reject it from media.
Great job Drinker! I always love your videos. Now the issue is - How are we going to get our movies back? The studios have pushed the pendulum so far with “The Message” that they think they’ll only have to swing back a little bit to get the audience to come back. Even if they ease up with these over-the-top in-your-face girl bosses (to try to get the male audience back) they’ll still inject the message in subtle annoying ways because they’ll think they can get away with it, as long as they tone down what they’ve been doing. Tom Green said, about the movie he made, that they put sooooo much over-the-top raunchy disgusting stuff in it, that they knew the censors would cut, for the sole purpose of ensuring the censors would leave the slightly less raunchy disgusting stuff that the makers really wanted in the film. He knew the censors would have cut the less disgusting vile content if he hadn’t put the MORE disgusting vile stuff. He pushed way too far so he wouldn’t have to come back as much.
That’s what these studios are doing. They’ll tone down the message a little, thinking it’ll bring bake the audience, but it’ll still be there. Just as ridiculous, annoying, and story breaking as ever, just maybe less noticeable. I say we can’t let them get away with it. To me Disney is dead. And they killed Marvel and Star Wars. And not only them but all of these writers and creators who sacrifice good stories and characters to try to “fix the problem” of men and women being different, or having male fans expect the kind of stories and characters that made them fans in the first place.
I have not seen anything with Carol Danvers in it (except End Game). I have not seen The Last Skywalker. I haven’t seen anything that Amazon makes. Unfortunately I have to assume that everything made these days is filled with woke messages that would make physically ill, and I only see things that I know are a sure thing. I know it’s sad but I can’t keep giving my money to these types of people and supporting this garbage, even if they start making it less stinky. I’ve been done with these people for a long time and I think we should all be done with them. They’ve done too much harm to characters and stories I grew up with and cared deeply about to ever get me back.
Bravo Drinker! Brilliant bit of writing sir. Tip o the cap to ya
Men and women being different is not news to rational people, but still refreshing to hear spoken out loud in 2024.
@@BetaSuqad Don't give the woke ideas, the trans-green community will get very upset and there will indeed be a she-hulk style romance movie made
I think it's one of those things that most everyone knows, but you're not really supposed to say it. For some reason it's become literally immoral to suppose the sexes can have differences.
I don't think the issue is that men and women are "different". The issue is that these movies are trying too hard in making one sex seem so powerful that they are lacking humanity. Meanwhile, the other is downplayed in importance and contribution (not to mention, talked down to). If the roles were reversed with men being OP and devoid of vulnerability while women are less helpful and talked down to, I'd have the same issue.
Men and women do have differences such different physicality and experiences. But they are both still human.
It's ironic really, the alphabet gang claims _diversity_ is their endgoal, but when you point out men and women have different interest they freak out.
@@Xfushion2 It makes sense if you just don't think about it
I've been saying this for 8 years and people are finally catching up.
The next step is to question WHY this level of incompetence was permitted.
Those of us who have been paying attention the last 4 years know.
@@MakeYouFeelBetterNow identity over quality
one of the answers rhymes with "HACK SOCK"
A small minority of very vocal activists managed to overtake the entertainment companies.
Believe it or not, this is all related to this contemporary and very liberal ideology that everyone can identify to anything, making people doubt about the fundamental concept of male/female and that everyone should agree that’s how we should think now.. It’s started with LGBTQ+ mouvement and was about acceptance and acknowledgement but now it got everyone so confused and butthurt about it. Collectively we are dumb af 😂
Did anyone else watch the show Resident Alien? It started out SO good, Alan Tudyk is a national treasure. Season One was pretty fun.
Then Season Two happened and s**t got PREACHY! Every male character got ten times dumber. Every female character suddenly became a girl boss. The Message got injected like a shot of bad heroin. (Oh and, by the way, a noticeable majority of main and supporting characters in the series are already women.) And it suddenly became as though NO character development for the entire last season ever happened.
Like, what the F happened?!
Hits spot on. Writers should take a note on their target audience. Genre is a critical thing when it comes to you audiences. I think this video says it all.
Ripley from Alien was written extremely well and played to perfection by Sigourney Weaver back in 1979. They had the perfect template for super strong female characters for over 40 years and yet they can't manage to bring themselves to do it.
There is the problem.
Ripley was not written as a woman at all in the first film. The characters femininity was just a side effect of being played by one.
Ripley didn't want to become a dumb fighter. Nor would she, longer than it was necessary
Exactly. We even see her feminine, nurturing, and maternal side come out when she finds Newt. Sarah Connor is another often cited example of a well written character in both Terminator films (there are only two).
maybe the issue is that aside Ripley and Sarah Connor (which are 40 year old characters) there hasent been anything good on the female side. Ok, follow my reasoning here for a bit, how many movies have male leads ? (a bunch right?) are they all winners ? No. Most of them arent but you know its the business, Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Reeves, they all had movies bomb. So im saying, well lets female lead movies bomb, tinker with the formula, let there be girl bosses until you figure out how to make good ones. Just dont pander them like that, "see we made an all girl movie".
@@ericfisher1360 Also another point, Its funny how they cant write strong female characters without inserting man hating into it lol.
All that talk about men "not needing to be a masculine man ,Just be a good person" yet they themselves are incapable of being good people.
Might have to just drop lady lead movies in general.
Just like sports, non-liberal, non-metropolitan women don't really care about girl boss stuff. They like traditional stories, romance, and above all a good story. (example: my girl only cared about what happened to Po when we went to see Starwars. She couldn't care less about Rey & Star Wars in general)
Thats subjevtive af,people, in general, like good stuff, Majoris of the mainstream ones, like Rey, arent
I'm reminded that Wish could've actually been a good movie if they didn't cut out everything remotely interesting about it. We could've had a cute love story between Asha and the star boy. We could've had _a hero couple vs a villain couple._ But Disney decided it was deathly allergic to love stories and gave us that nonsense instead. Thanks, I'm gonna go watch Tangled another dozen times
Exactly. Look at barbie at the box office.
Do you think anybody believed this fanfic made up of tired memes because I have looked at your channel and I don't think you have actually seen a woman.
@@BetaSuqad That's a shame because it's utter shite
It's too late for Disney, Marvel, and the rest. They've lost me forever. Even if they corrected course completely I'm never going back. I've moved on to better things, and am even creating my own comics now. Anyone who goes crawling back to these studios is a fool, because they will just turn on you again.
Surprisingly enough, women do enjoy seeing stories with both men and women who are treated fairly by the storyteller. And having more than just girl bosses. There are more types of bravery and stregnth than just the masculine kind.
“The Girl Boss era is dead.”
- And nothing of substance or value was lost.
Except a lot of once great franchises that have been destroyed in its wake.
Hopefully they won't swing into another direction and make an era of bland boring boy bosses...instead of just hiring good writers...
There will be a sequel there always is
Other than the beloved IPs that were sacrificed on its altar.
To the contrary, we've lost a decade of actually good media to the Girl Boss.
Imagine the makers blaming the mythical female audience
It will not end. It will morf into something new. Did you hear they are rebooting RAMBO with a female ramabo! 😂 What's next die hard with black Muslim Lesbiaan.
You can't hold us accountable! We're not responsible for anything even the things that we do! Like making shitty shitty shitty movies!
@@BetaSuqadStop spamming!
@tarron3237 Who else are they going to blame... themselves?
We exist, but not in high numbers and even we hate the girl boss thing. Is it so hard to create movies with a balanced mix of male and female characters with different skills and personalities to bring to the team?
It’s interesting that the Bumblebee movie’s female protagonist worked so well. She had an emotional chemistry with the cool a film robot and a good enough arc for the audience to be engaged with while waiting for the next cool action robot scene.
It’s not only impressive that their female protagonist worked, but that their human protagonist did too since anything transformers can really drag once you shift perspectives away from the reason people are really there
Sarah Connor and Lt Ripley. Those 2 are some of the best characters of my childhood paired with Rambo, Terminator, Rocky, Blade, Dutch (Predator), etc.
One thing I did like in Top Gun Maverick, was that there was a female pilot in the group, but the movie never went down the path that so many movies lately would have gone because she existed in the movie. She was treated as a real character, I remember one other character taking a dig at her, but she shut him down and was just part of the team, and her gender never played a part in anything plot wise. She was just another top gun pilot, there because she was the best of the best, at the school to learn and prove herself (like everyone else who was there).
I remember mentioning this to my wife after the movie finished, because it was so weird lately to have a movie which just treated all the characters as actual characters, not just standins for whatever message they were trying to tell. I think the biggest failing the studios are making in trying to bring in more female viewers is that they fail to make characters at all that require more than a sentence to explain all their character traits. Just write good characters, tell a compelling story and you will eventually bring in new fans. Or in my wifes case, have hot guys named Chris play interesting characters and she'll come along to the movie to check it out.
Well said🍻
yes, wow... imagine having personality driven characters instead of characters being solely a representation of it's gender.
I feel called out with the last sentence.
I didn't even consider her gender. I just accepted her as part of the squad and that was it. Sure they made her front and center in a number of scenes but the woke mind-virus was never injected into this film... and thank God for that.
Imagine being judged on your abilities 😮
My hatred of the girl boss can be summed up in Endgame with the girl bossy lineup mid battle, that made no sense and took me out of the fight. Speaking as a girl
The End Battle was shitty anyway. Best part was the portal scene. Right after that everything fell apart.
a perfect battle it's show, every scene it's just perfectly connected, then *PAUSE* look at those strong women ;) *UNPAUSE* battle continue
You are triggered over such little things. That scene wasnt that bad, just a big cringe Id say. But compared to many movies these days end game was a Master Piece
@@Scarl3t03 Yeah, it made no logical sense.
@@jogymogy3691 No, Best part was Thanos punching Captain Feminist out of the movie
And to imagine that if Hollywood had made "The Notebook" into a franchise, we wouldn't be having these problems now.
Wow, your voice, or the way you speak rather is so interesting! I liked the video, but I probabl, wouldnt have finished it if not for your voice. I know you cant control accents the way you can the pitch of your voice, so I know this is a weird compliment to give. Still. Its really interesting and fun to listen to you, so I will subscribe and continue to do so.
the trouble with studios taking "almost a decade" to realize what they were doing was wrong, is that the audience they chased away to make room for the audience they wanted but never existed has had plenty of time to find other things to do beside watching their unentertaining products in an inconvenient environment at overly inflated prices. television didn't succeed in killing movies as much as studio executives did. these executives turned a habitual clientele into a discerning and critical one...
true, and the market they were chasing were either not interested, or too busy cancelling people than actually watching what they demanded be created for them.
The problem is that the owners of these studios think they can force 95% of people to change their tastes.
They are deranged fanatics.
Gender confused people want to normalize gender confusion.
Well said
What it killed most of all was movie theatres. I remember in the 90sa group of us used to go to the movies once a week no matter what was on, because there was generally something good on. Sometimes the boys and girls would split up and go watch their thing. We decided when we got there. Nowadays it's something people only do if they already know the movie's going to good, because it's fucking expensive. If there's nothing really good, people stay home and stream something instead.
Reminds me of the corporate board in Robocop 2 when they are resetting his parameters...
"What about the environment? Could we have him speak out on environmental issues?"
"I don't see why not..."
Love when he's preaching to the kids, reminded me of growing up with "troupes" that would come to school to do cringe raps or musicals about not doing drugs or saving the environment.
Robocop was highly predictive of our future, wasn't it??
@BetaSuqad Go away now
@BetaSuqadgo play in traffic. At night. Wear all black while you're at it
And at least in Robocop 2 Dr. Faxx was screwing Robocop on purpose...
Out of the females who buy tickets to superhero movies, I'd be interested to find out how many of them buy their ticket because their son, boyfriend, husband, father or some other male influence in their life is the one who actually wants to see the movie and asked them to go.
“She-Hulk”- what happens when you allow wine moms get to showrun a Marvel franchise.
This video is the perfect description of the utter stupidity of the entertainment business. Well done!
When Top Gun: Maverick came out, which was super successful and a good film to boot, Hollywood decided not to follow that film's clear blueprint to success. With TG Maverick, they could have gone with the premise of a young female pilot showing 'washed up' Maverick how it should be done. But instead they decided to make a story focusing on the titular, main character, not belittle him in any way, respect the original material. That's the way it should be done...
''focusing on the titular, main character, not belittle him in any way, respect the original material. That's the way it should be done...''
Nahh, degrade beloved characters. Let them be killed off or surpassed by a 15 year old girl with superhuman talent. No hard work needed. Just raw talent. Then mention how good she is and how bad the old patriarchy is. Tell us how girls can be better 100 times. Mhm, make the stronger, smarter and cooler. Mhmm.
@@Feja2503be sure to REALLY emphasize how good and awesome she is. It all means nothing unless you have to remind the audience every 5 minutes of how much of a strong kick-ass woman she is.
@@jaredschmidt8013And it's purely ONLY because she's a girl. It came naturally to her. No learning necessary. She's perfect out of the box. It's so stupid how men have to go through the grueling crucible of learning.
if u shit on soldiers especially veterans. the us army wont allow u anymore shootage of their jets and ships. ur basically done doing these movies at all.
Imagine how the recent Star Wars triology could have gone if the writers actually respected the characters of Han Solo and Luke Skywalker. And that's a pretty low bar.
I am a Drinker subscriber, in the beginning he was absolutely spot, then a year or so ago, a few of his videos seemed like they were on a crusade, and were a bit "just saying it because she is a girl" but he seems to have pulled it back, and this video is again spot on, men and women tend to like and appreciate different things, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Matrix 1 and Terminator 2 are masterclasses on how to write strong female characters at this point
don't forget alien(s)
@NektarVision I was just about to say that!
@@NektarVision ya Sigourney weaver 100%
mad max fury road, sherice theron....so hot right now@@Dogfather1
@@NektarVision Charlize ya absolutely… how about Jamie Lee Curtis in her 30s👌
One of my favourite characters growing up was Evie from "The Mummy". I related to her a lot: our love of Egypt, reading, and being a little clumsy (lol). Evie was strong in her own ways and supported the other characters where they lacked. They were a team. And where she lacked, she asked for help. And in the sequel, she got even better when O'Connell taught her to physically fight. Shes an often overlooked character when these discussions come up but a well rounded one
Oh yes, and I loved Patricia Velásquez as Ankh Sun Amun! I watched this movie and The Mummy returns to many times. She was the most beautiful women in the world to me back then. Not for a single moment have I thought that these women werent kinda bad ass just because they did things for men or got saved by men here and there....apart from the fact that Evie saves her husband in the end anyway.
Why do I now hear Drinker saying "well rounded, indeed! Heh, heh, heh" (With zoom-in, of course)?
@calistafalcontail right! Another thing, too, is if this movie was made now under the DEI rules, we wouldn't be able to have that actress play her because of diversity hiring. We would have been robbed of these two great casting choices.
Man, i absolutely love Evie. She is the brain of both movies, but never comes off as mean for no reason. Her flaws are adorable and the dynamic with O'Connell and her brother is what makes the first movie so good.
Not to mention that character was responsible for letting loose all the chaos of the curse, so what does she do?
She doesn't run away or blame anyone else, she owns up to it and decides to fix it with or without anyone's help.
Men and women will watch what they want. You can't change statistics. And that doesn't mean making action movies star exclusively male characters. We have characters like Ripley from alien, Laura Croft from Tomb Raider, and Linda Hamilton from Terminator. And a few others I personally couldn't recall off the top of my head because I don't watch many movies. All these female badasses who perfectly fit their role and aren't forcing themselves too much. Because the reality is, those are the kinds of women who would make it in those scenarios, not ones who throw their weight around and act like the sun shines out their backside.
The really noticeable effect is how quiet so many of them have become. It used to be "Sexists mysogynist fanboys are the reason for..." and whatever version of that statement. But they're not that loud about it anymore.
But I thought they said these movies weren't made for "sexist,misogynistic" fanboys
They're not "as loud" about it anymore because those jobs are getting eliminated as the economy is slowing. Online "news" companies, tech companies, and media companies have not been doing as well recently as they were. The people who would gripe online about "sexist, misogynist fanboys" were NEVER the ones who were buying the product; they were just mouthpieces. That's why media properties that pander to these audiences has almost always failed--because they made a product that was supported by people who never cared, for an audience that doesn't exist.
The core audience quit giving a crap a long time ago about name-calling. I think they all collectively shrugged their shoulders and said "Call me whatever you want. I'm going to hang onto the physical media I already enjoy, not buy your subscription-based/digital copy, and continue to do what I've been doing anyway. Eventually you're either going to run out of steam, and/or run out of money. We don't need you anymore."
The volume has decreased, but the words are simply more widespread.
Probably because they are winning in the more subversive arena of raw censorship at the search engine, shadow banning, and woke AI level. Veritas has an interview with a google exec blatantly stating that they will do everything in their power to manipulate elections in their favor - WEF agendas.
Call me misogynistic or whatever but I don’t really enjoy female lead movies because as a man I can’t relate with a woman.
Men see a hero and think “i wanna be like him”. Women see a hero and think “i want him”
It just doesn’t work the other way around
Another thing that has ended my love of cinema, Is now knowing what kind of people most of these actors are, what they publicly say,support or endorse.
Fair point. I went into the Depp v. Heard lawsuit with a definite bias against Depp due to his on-stage comments about assassinating a president. By the end of the lawsuit I had to admit that not only did Heard not get abused, but that SHE had done the abusing to him. But it took a real effort of will to try to be fair in how I viewed all the evidence--and it also colors how I view his roles in movies. Since I don't like the person--Johnny Depp--it's been hard to enjoy any roles he plays, simply because of him being so vocal politically. And a lot of the Hollywood types seem to believe that the public needs their views on things that have nothing to do with acting or movies.
@@Doxymeisteryep. I’m a JD fan but honestly I could care two sht’s about his political views. I love so many actors in the work they do but once the credits hit, I don’t care lmao. I don’t seek their views to skew mines.
Yep, i expect actors to deliver entertainment, i don,t care about their views or what they do in free time. I want politics, i will turn on debate about that, actors don,t have to be expert at everything, just let them do their job@@crazebamm
You really think what they publicly support/endorse is their own opinion?
I do my best to separate an actor's personal self from the work they do to portray characters on the screen. But it's really hard to watch a movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger now without hearing the words "screw your freedom".
I haven't been in a theater or watched a mainstream western production since circa 2014. I'm never coming back. There's nothing they can do.
The reason Barbie & Oppenheimer were a "pairing" at the theater ("Barbenheimer") is because women really wanted to see Barbie and men really wanted to see Oppenheimer, so they all went to the theater as a family and split up. Men came out of Oppenheimer feeling ashamed that men created nuclear bombs and Women came out of Barbie feeling ashamed of men for...well, being men.
"The message is finally starting to set in for the people in Hollywood" this sounds like deja vu to me. I guess we'll see...
either they will change or just keep getting f means flops
It isn't sinking in. If there were any chance of that happening, it would have happened years ago.
Hollywood has committed itself to this path come hell or high water, and nothing will steer it off it.
@@proxjayantYup after so many Ls and hyper cringe movies they are acknowledging it but can they change fast enough I highly doubt it but we shall see
And the reason it took so long as the lengthy timeline to produce content in the first place. Hopefully the shift has started and we'll see better stuff moving forward.
*Disney lose hundreds of millions for the Nth year in a row*
"well the message is finally sinking in"
The woke mob are trying to change the culture. They dont care if they lose money so long as they can ensure future generations consider wokeness the norm
Here's a perfect example of why this is killing studios. I bought Indy 1, 2 & 3 on VHS. I bought the same trilogy on DVD. I saw Crystal Skull on theaters. I bought the original trilogy on blu-ray. Then I bought them again on 4K.
I literally won't even stream Dial of Destiny, let alone go to the theater or buy the 4K. I refuse to give money to a studio who kills the legacy of arguably my favorite film character by inserting a hamfisted girl boss.
Extrapolate my experience of one franchise to all the ones they've killed amongst the countless people like me who've spent their money for 30+ years supporting these properties they've bastardized. No wonder they're losing billions.
dont worry women will for sure buy 8k Barbie movie when its remastered
tbh I enjoyed dial of destiny
For me, the property that I mourn the most for being ruined is Star Trek.
Um the chick is kind of put in her place by the end of DoD,
ESG money received from girl boss characters will more than make up the loss
It’s also failing because the producers and writers just completely disregard the source material not just in marvel comics, but across all genres.
The big success of the first 3 Star Wars with a powerful female role was the dynamic between Solo and Leia. Leia was a powerful female character on her own, but Solo was an equal and complimentary juxtaposition. If episodes 4, 5 & 6 were made now, with the current pandering, we would see Han Solo reduced to...well...Poe. It seemed Poe's sole purpose was to have inadequacies in any given situation that were easily revoked by any given female character: Leia in leadership; Rey in self-reliance, Tico in dedication; and whoever that Laura Dern character was that just popped-up long enough to make the ultimate self-sacrifice-play. Needless to say, I am done with the Star Wars thing, because the vision Lucas had of making a western genre with spaceships has clearly died somewhere along the trail.
something to keep in mind when watching any of these girlboss movies
Schrodingers Girlboss: The woman is constantly in a state where she is simultaneously oppressed and empowered at the same time, whenever a conflict occurs with this character the writers will choose whichever state is more beneficial to the character.
So thats why these movies is
Boring as all hell & uninspired.
GREAT COMMENT !!!
Honestly the interesting thing is
movies like this are built off
Historial falsehoods acting
as if all men back then treated
Women bad & all men were
rich & had 0% problems.
That's real world schrodinger feminism in a nutshell. At least they represented that accurately! 😂
Nicking this, I will use this in a discussion on MCU and absolutely take full credit for it being my musing
Last year, a book called MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios was published. I came across it in a comic shop in Manchester. I was almost convinced to buy it until I leafed through the book and came across the chapter on Captain Marvel. The authors blame "sexist nerds" for the character, her actress and her movie dying on arrival. That chapter is a perfect example of a lack of accountability which has become the norm in recent years. Unless you're heterosexual, white and a man, it's never your fault. It's racism, sexism, etc.
MCU: The Story of Marvel Studios was published in 2023, and aged like milk before it's even a year old. The Marvels, Echo and Madame Web have all been trainwrecks. The way these people have tried to handle the situation is the equivalent of trying to put out a fire with petrol.
Hmmm whos' gonna buy a book like that. Clearly the title is misleading.
The book also ironically acknowledged that the M-She-U is real.
Thanks for the warning. I'll skip it. I'll wait for a more honest book.
Funny thing is they claim the 'angry nerd audience' is just a minority but also claim that the same group is to blame for tanking a movie. Cant have it both ways.
Exactly