140psi BOOST 3500hp Billet Duramax | Wagler Competition
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Jeremy Wagler gives us a run down on his insane compound boosted DX 500 billet 3500hp Duramax diesel engine on display at The Sema Show 2016. The 500ci V8 is boosted by a PSI blower and twin promod Precision turbochargers.
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You know shit just got real when your manifolds are billet.
Perfect for a v8 2 stroke, That aluminum is soft and easy to cut ports into. I heard this motors runs Klotz Techniplate R50 2 stroke oil, n ot sure, that what i would run in it fed from the bottom
"I could imagine the price would be pretty extravagant?"... Yes, Thankyou LOL
all the boost is going to his head
daniel ward You can tell he doesn't want to even get into cost.
daniel ward Billet block alone your looking at easy 50k
if you have to ask how much...... you cant afford it
GotWake4 That's a stupid saying, even if I was filthy rich I would still be asking how much stuff cost.
So he's boosting his boost after he boosts his boost?
his turbo has vtec basically
Jeffrey Sousa his boost is boosting his boost that's boosted some more yes.
blower to make boost to light turbos, nitrious to help the turbos as well. the boost number isnt what is impressive, the volume hes flowing to run both those turbos to make that boost. the drive pressure will be even greater.
g zimmermann stand to close and get sucked in.....
Homefront
whats next? tell me to keep my pee pee out of the inlet?... im sure it could give you a new perm.
thats insane. but will it fit in my Honda
we aren't here for you Honda mate.
You give me brain cancer
Hondas are for ricers
thanks moog
hahaha #MCM
+7367Network Youre not even old enough to drive, let alone bitch about hondas.
Can't wait to see the video of this thing running in the truck. Definitely pushing the limits of what can be done. Nice job Wagler.
140psi and 22:1 compression haha, f@ck me, no wonder when those things let go they go of like a 500 pound bomb.
They drop a fair bit of compression in these engines, not stock compression ratios. Thats why a lot of them need ether to get them started and warmed up.
+mytmousemalibu Yeh? I'm a gas/e85 man myself, but 140psi in anything deserves respect lol.
Don Rossco Joe I like it all but i'm a diesel nut! 140psi of boost is up there but some of the pro stock class diesel tractors are pushing more than 300psi of boost! THAT is crazy shit. It's also the reason these engines have big loops of braided steel cable around the engine since once in a while the blocks will let go blowing the upper half of the engine out of the tractor and the crank, rods, etc are still sitting in the machine!
s1
its 100% not stock.. so you might want to revise your numbers.
I'm sure it looks like an old farm truck with that sticking 3 feet out of the hood.
Old farm truck...not fooling abody nomore...sheeeeee
I wonder what the static compression ratio is..and what it is with all that help.!..Do they stuff uranium in it down that big cheese grater too.?..The torque must be massive..
4:22 did he just use the term "very simple"??
+J3n555 In comparison to the Duramax yes the Cummins is simple 😊
J3n555 two turbos pumping into two more turbos to make a LOT of boost
you dont under stand the complexity of running 3 cp3s, and the associated brain to run everything else. when compared to a fully mechanical "12vish" motor. but notice he says its only for pulling.
one turbo pumping two.
HaHaa..... Yes he did and there isn't a fucking thing simple about these BEASTS! I would love to put either one in my 2014 Silverado RCSB!
Put those puppies on an engine dyno. I need to see some proof.
the 3500hp has to be as reliable as a dead battery
tunercars3 right
It's going in their "shop truck."
Its going to explode like a very shiny pressure cooker bomb....wait those already shiny....well anyways. BOOM!
volvo245 ha?
reliable for a bunch of 10 second pulls then full rebuilt
truly remarkable! the finishing (aesthetics) are great too. Everything looks perfectly fitted :)
@2:58
"I can imagine the price is extravagant."
"Yes, thank you."
An estimated 11.0 static compression and 70 pounds of boost calculates to an effective compression ratio of 63.4:1, I would be surprised if that engine last 5 trips down the track.
I am glad to see a supercharged diesel because I want to see more superchargers on Diesel engines. I think they are an interesting combination.
As far as i know it hasn't blown up yet and they have beat the absolute shit out of it. Ran it like this at UCC and they have been running blower only for a few pulling events and a no-prep event.
3500 horsepower, and how much torque dammit!?!?!?!?
I think it's safe to say ALOT.
I wanna hear it run....
Fuck a miata, put that thing in a vespa.
You could put a miata in it.
ohgodwhat1 Hahahahaha
This is not for hipster sir...
ChiefStyn "Sir, you got a vespa in your engine... make that a miata and a vespa"
I was wondering what I'd put in my silverado once the 4.8l goes out...
Supercharger + twin turbo + nos + v8 diesel = a new fun toy... can i play?
I live about an hour from Scheids and Wagler, you see a lot of bad ass trucks around here.
I would buy one of these engines, put it in my lounge and just look at it. Its a work of art.
That's outrageous
Just put a Pratt & Whitney R-4360 Wasp major under the hood. 28 cylinder, 71.5L supercharged air cooled. Only 3500 HP. Built in 1944.
Aight boys, we gotta engine that we can swap into our miatas.
Love how the duramax is 8 cylinders , blower , nitrous , water methanol and a hole pile of other shite and the little old cummins 6 cylinder makin almost same power with half the fuss. CUMMINS IS KING !
Tamenga88 Japanese inline 6's is still in production until this day , 1FZ from Toyota which is the big brother of 2JZ and TB48de from nissan which is the bigger brother of the RB engines
allistairc123 almost the same peak power. The area under the curve may be quite different.
That's why we put Cummins in everything. My wife drives a 4bt 2004 Tahoe and I have a 6bt in an 05 SSilverado
And Kyle Michael's Duramax won the Super Stock 4x4 puller class at Scheid's Diesel Extravaganza this year. Same kit as the Cummins trucks, turbos and water injection only. Guess the title of King is up for grabs....
DEBOSS GARAGE pics and videos or your full of shit
Now lest put this on a civic and slap some stickers on it and call it a day.
O Arias any Honda is unworthy. that motor would twist your civic in half
+Chris Dishneau True Story
Chris Dishneau I wanna see a civic turn into a pretzel
The torque from that motor would destroy the car not to mention how much it weighs. It would destroy the car😂
and here I am more than content running 21psi through a gtx3582r hahaha
Lol. I'm content running 9psi.
102nds daily I'm running 12 on my f series procharger and I'm more than happy lol
my fridge is running
I just felt like running.
***** lol
I'm skeptical that they can reach 140 psi of boost with single stage turbos. The highest I have heard of in a single stage is 90 psi. There are some gas turbines with single-stage centrifugal compressors that go to 120 psi. I have always thought that the limit with centrifugal compressors was 9:1 pressure ratio in a single stage.
I might wrong, but 9:1 here on earth is 9 bar, 140 psi is ~9.7 bar.
There's a blower in there too lol.
With a large compressor wheel (102mm in this case) it's not inconceivable to hit 140 psi at sea level. You definitely wouldn't hit that at elevation though.
wicked! would love to see these in action & hear them
Damn, and I was thinking 20 PSI through a screw charger into a LS3 camaro was a lot of boost.
ground breaking set up truly on the cutting edge...but will it run on my old fryer oil?
Squirrelly, so the turbos are in parallel with the blower? So not really compound. I wonder how they control reversion issues once one the turbos outrun the blower and vise versa. Interesting stuff!
crikey mate thats a biggun
I could imagine the price is extravagent---"yes thank you" lol
Can you really use 140psi boost without charge cooling?
with methanol, yes.
Chad Oakley Well I dont know much about methanol engines but compressing ambient air 10 times sure doesnt help with intake temp, nor oxygene density. Maybe I misunderstood. Was it just the cummins that could manage 140psi or was it also the v8? It didnt look like a compound turbo setup on the v8. And I doubt the turbos can achive 140psi without a compound system? Can the screw really withstand such pressures and temps? Or what goes on with the engine during a run?
methanol/water injection is the charge cooling.
Yes the Dmax V8 was capable of 140+psi of boost and those turbos can absolutely do it with the kind of drive pressure they will have. The screw blower can take that kind of abuse without a problem. Those are originally for Top Alcohol funny car/dragsters and they will push upwards of 90psi on an engine turning more than 10,000rpm at the top end of the track. Plus the blowers are overdriven so they are turning faster than the engine. The Dmax wont spin them that hard.
Yes but as the turbos did not use a compound setup. And considering the weak density of oxygene in 270C+ degrees of compressed air, I feel it could be achived in a more effective way.
"I can imagine the price is extravagant"
"Yes, thank you"
The big man behind the voice, love the videos
I would be happy with the billet 6.7 Cummins for my 2014 3500 Ram with even one of those Precisions on it...140 psi? It makes 350/900 with the stock Holset on 30 psi, imagine what it'd be like at 60 psi, let alone 140. It's amazing what diesel engines can do when modified even a little.
2 on a race boat^^
Cannot wait to see these at Ultimate Callout Challenge.
That motor will never have oil in it let alone do many of things this man is talking about.
Is this just all theory? Are there any videos of these motors mounted in something and running down the track?
Jay Leno is probably first on the waiting list to own one of these!
When the words 140lbs of boost just rolls off the tongue like that👍
so on the first engine its weird to see that the supercharger and turbos don't work in conjunction. usually the turbos feed through the supercharger. totally separate systems.
I'd absolutely kill to see the fuel map of this thing, bet its a nutty curve
They just aren't showing all the plumbing involved. The turbos would feed the supercharger.
erienwhite clearly the turbos and the blower are feeding into the same intake manifold
Brett Wolff. You are correct. Unusual setup
the real question is, can I daily it 🤔
justin m if i could i would
yea you prob could no problem, just take the supercharger off and run just one turbo 40 pounds and daily it forever like all the other diesel engines.
If you got the balls
Yeah i doubt it...
justin m
If you added a cooling system and stayed out of the crazy high boost they are capable of making then sure, they would probably last a long time.
erm. are there any vids of it running? who wants to listen to this on and on
dyno sheet or it didn't happen
Robby G13 true
I wouldn't doubt that this thing has never ran, they are probably using estimated numbers from some data conversion sheet that reads: if you use this type of metal with this type of piston shape while running this much boost you should get this number.
If they've blown enough engines to know they need billet block with full length head studs let alone custom everything else, chances are they know exactly what that engine is capable of.
T Hud so if I post a video and install a chrome coffee can using 4 inch 1/4-20 grade 8 bolts saying "I kept blowing up engines until I found the last weak link and this is how I had to make my exhaust to produce 10,000 hp with 12,342 ft/lbs of torque" you would be on board with that?
Yes. 100% on board with that idea.
That is the shiniest and most expensive bomb to ever be put on display outside of some military expo...
Wouldn't the blowers boost try to spin the Turbo's the wrong direction? If one overpowered the other how is this handled?
Yeah, a new diesel farm truck !!!
That is just madness! It looks like a cross between the Terminator meets Mad Max! It's so clean and well plumbed that it would be frightening to work on, and I'd need 100 pictures to remind me of how everything goes, LOL.
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Insane looking engine and I'll bet it sounds awesome, but they need to get rid of all the braided line and plumb in some stainless steel hard line on that unit
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its not a hot rod. its a functional race engine.
I use to work at psi supercharger as a machinist was cool
I get it, it's badass, but was the metal backgroundmusic neccessary?
pretty cool, but all that work and money on the engine and you can't get mirrored turbos? Not that it matters, but come on.
Random person: How many pounds if boost you running?
Me: All of them.
Whoa that's a crazy setup. Wonder how it would sound
will it fit my honda
udaysaleen it probably weighs more than a honda 😂
udaysaleen Yes it would, just swap the....😂 nah can't even finish the sentence 😝
Precision should start making reverse rotation turbos for applications like this. Or has Nelson racing engines put a copy right out?
What's the point of calling it a Duramax if GM didn't actually design or build any of it?
MaxTheKanuck It's still a similar design. Kinda like how muscle car guys will call an engine a small block Chevy when everything about it is custom.
***** It's just a diesel V8. There's plenty of them.
MaxTheKanuck And the block design will be different from a Powerstroke. That's what I'm saying.
***** Do you mean Duramax? I would understand if it were at least a GM block, but it's 100% custom. I don't get why you would want to give someone else credit for something you did.
because the specifications are built from a duramax i imagine ie the crank dimensions(bore, spacing, length) are all based on duramax. so in in 5 years they find a new crank manufacturer they can order a duramax sized crank now star from scratch.
Jesus christ I could live in that turbo.
Does it fit on my lawnmower tho?
They gotta come up with a billet head for the cummins! They are both awesome engines! Would love to have both! Lol!
How many parts does it actually have or share with a standard GM Duramax?
How long did it take to CNC all those custom parts?
This going to be at sema? Didn't see it last yr
No hay fugas de presión al ponerlo en esa configuración?
great clip , also love the new interests in diesel these days. Australia would benefit from the whole thing, as every thing is 5000 miles away ,in the Murcia scale
I think I'm turned on
"Actuated, cam less valves"
Koenigsegg
Any videos of this actually running?
I want it in my civic.
They look like gale banks parts from 40 years ago you can go to his web page and see the same parts just less shiny because they are 40 years older . But they still make the power and he still makes them for less money.
I reckon my john deere could pull a truck with one of those engines all day long
easily :)
not practical one bit. but cool
AP Developments Well as is now no. Lower the boost. Heck get rid of the turbos. Run it on normal compression. Then yes it could.
I know my International could pull a John Deer with one of those DT466 engines all year long. :)
thats a motor right there!
9 bars of boost! nice
Brilliant air flow wizardry!
How much torque does this combo produce?
They are really good at building display engines.
This engine can easily run 1000 wheel horse power as a daily and have absolutely zero issues
Wonder if what Banks comes up with will look this crazy?
every time this video comes up on you tube i'm gonna rip on it!
I've always wanted to put a system like this on an eco diesel and put it in a corvette stingray
Will it fit in my speaker?
Awesome.......but I gotta say it....what exactly left here is still Duramax?
Obviously not much, if any.
In which case, can dropping this into a probably vaguely GM-esque chassis still warrant it being called a Duramax?
Steve po it's designed after the duramax just with stronger parts and they fixed some bugs in it to do what they needed
Steve po Basic layout of the internals and few dimensions...maybe. :)
As if it will even work. What size exhaust system you run
quick question will it fit in my snow blower
That Cummins 6.7 has a p-pump mechanical injection conversion?
Still the best way to go
Pretty much all of the sled puller Cummins are fueled by custom P-pumps, Sigma's, etc.
ha sigma. leave it to Italians to some how even inadvertently make everything crazy. even the truck guys back then must have said "maximum performance"
yea sigma can make some power, but really they were for locomotive's and marine(maybe gensets but im not sure) engines that are frieking massive. saw a cummins with a 6-cyl sigma on it, 16 mm head, biggest ve is 14mm, and thats a small sigma lol.
Number of fully custom built, all billet "sigma" pumps being made these days. Even bigger than Sigma's which is crazy. Probably a lot of reason for these billet pumps is the inavailability and cost of a Sigma on top of the work put into them by injection pump shops.
How much does this cost?
Yes.
How many miles will it run
Beautiful weather today isnt it?
Billet everything ! $$$. Badass!!
Yo dawg, I heard ypu like boost, so I got boost on your booster, on your booster
sweet work
yup this is going on my christmas list!!
can we see this on the dyno?
I want to purchase 2 of those asap
Should have used NRE Mirror Image turbos for a more symmetrical intake setup.
Gawl! What's the cost on that freaking beast?! Could probably buy a house for the cost of that thing!
what is compound turbo charging.
I wanna know how fast that duramax spins. 7-10k?