I've been a plumber since '78 and some things don't change....like how to properly sweat a joint. You only need to flux the pipe, not the fitting too. Of course everything is cleaned first with either brushes; internal/external or sandcloth...or both depending on the size of the joint. A good plumbing torch will let you adjust down to smaller jobs like 1/2-3/4" and also sweat larger sizes. Some of the small bottle 'turbo' torches won't do that.....you turn them down and the tips excessively heat to cherry red...not a good scenario. Better to have smaller tips that exchanges in & out for the smaller pipe sizes. I've had portable propane and MAP torches that work from 1/2" to 1/1/2". Honestly though unless I have access problems, anything over 1" and I'm using a bigger acetylene bottle and Turbo torches with different tips. And my fall back standard would always be my old Prest-O-Lite on acetylene. I've been on jobs where the plumber is struggling (time-wise) with a little bottle torch like under a house. Fire up the Turbo on a acetylene bottle or the Prest-O-Lite and cut the job time in half. The little hand held torches are for tight space and convenience, not for whole house sweating. The nice thing about the larger tanks torches is they have regulators and so you can fine tune your torch flame for the job at hand. I worked for a company once that forced everyone to use the small bottle torches for everything. That is, until I showed them how much time you can save on a whole house job using acetylene. But then I got stuck training the guy on how to use a large torch bottle set up. On most residential piping now it's all PEX style piping anyway. You can't win...glad I'm retiring...lol. Sweating will always have its place for repairs though and of course, HVAC.
@@commadanteflet Acetylene, and these days there's not much difference in temperature between Map-Pro and propane but a significant difference in price. It's my understanding that Mapp is no longer available in the U.S.
@@tomasinacovell4293 They use silver bearing solder now for residential and commercial potable copper. It is lead free....requires more heat, slightly different techniques and flux.
This guy's review is way much better and easier to understand than the junk video that Benzomatic posted on their website. Thanks a lot "This Old House".
The original MAPP gas production came to an end in 2008 as the sole plant making it discontinued the production. ... In early 2008, true MAPP gas production ended in North America when production was discontinued at the only remaining plant in North America that still manufactured it.
Everyone in the comments section knows best. I’ve been plumbing for ever and here’s what I’ve learned. .... Ask 10 different plumbers the right way to do something and you’re sure to get 10 different answers. Best to learn from trial and error and stick to what works for you... having said that I prefer mapp gas each and every time. To me it just seems faster and more reliable
Don't agree....there's a much smaller number of ways to sweat copper properly and some universal do's and don't. And the only times you will see failures is when you've been in the trade for decades and see the plumber's mistakes. Like wiping hot joints with a rag. A lot of guys do that for appearance reasons. You can compromise your joint doing that...easily. I've seen them fail yrs later. Just because your joint hasn't failed in a yr, doesn't mean it won't fail eventually. Anybody who has done lots of repair AND new work knows this.
Only problem is, MAPP gas is not being manufactured in the US anymore. The crap that they sell today in yellow canisters labelled MAP/Pro (propadiene gas) is NOT THE SAME as the good ole MAPP (methylacetylene-propadiene propane) gas that between propane and acetylene, and that old timers like you remember so fondly. MAP/Pro is quite wimpy compared to MAPP, and propane comes very close to being as MAP/Pro, but a lot cheaper. In my opinion, MAP/Pro is a waste.
@@StilettoSniper I remember reading about this in about early 2010's, when I was getting into the trades (HVAC) What about using propylene? aka propene aka methyl ethylene? Things got busy and I never had the chance to experiment with propylene... these days propane or acetylene...
@@walterbrunswick That's what you get when you purchase a cylinder of MAP-Pro today. It is a mix of propane and propylene. It pales in comparison to the original MAPP gas in terms of heat though.
Fair enough. I watched this as I wanted to find out which torch to use, couldn't be any more to the point, learn a little soldering tip, good vid. Liked / Subscribed
Yeah and 3/4" is barely adequate. I like to use the big TS8000 torch with propane for 3/4", and just turn down the heat a bit until it is just right and doesn't overheat the fitting.
was hoping you'd show how to replace the canister onto the torch head...I have a refill canister with one of those long thing tube tip...does a torch head fit onto that? Or is it a different type of canister? Gosh...hope you're reading your comments. Thanks.
Here's the thing, if you take that MAPP torch off the MAPP bottle and put it on to the Propane bottle it will do exactly the same type work that they say you need MAPP for. Its all a rip off. In my experiments, Propane with the TS8000 MAPP torch fitted heated up the work metal (mild steel flat bar) 12°C hotter than if I used the MAPP setup after 1 minuet of heating the metal both from a base temperature of 18°C - MAPP 415°C, Propane (same torch) 427°C. Make of it what you will. I Silver solder now with the MAPP torch on a hose connected to my 9Kg Propane bottle that I also use for camping (running the cooker on the camper trailer) so now I can take a means of doing road side repairs to metal work when outback if I need to, just one hose and the torch, easy to pack.
Yes, because MAPP gas of yesteryear is NOT the same as today's MAP/Pro. They can't even call what is sold today "MAPP" gas because the company that hold the patent and trademark on MAPP gas will not allow it to be used for the overpriced MAP/Pro crap they sell today.
I wish they would do a show on cleaning and maintaining the tips. And what if you use the bigger tip on a propane bottle instead of MAPP gas? Will it still be too hot?
Hello, I am going to purchase a mapp gas torch. I have seen heads for the cylinder that are described as triple point flames. What's the advantage over a single point flame?
My brothers friend used to do dabs and he had the map gas torch with the yellow tank. He gave the torch to my brother after he got in trouble with the cops for dui accident with serious bodily injury.
Using the third torch option here, the Piezo igniter with MAPP gas, surely if you used just a propane tank on that it would reduce the heat enough allowing for solder on your 1/4-1/2” pipes? Just curious as to thoughts. As a fabricator I use oxyacetylene and large propane torches regularly for slicing girders and steel plates etc and had no need for one of these until recently. Was thinking of buying one myself, not a Rothenberger, maybe just a cheaper Vortex model for jobs around the house and in my new home garage. Would appreciate a plumbers advice on a decent universal option and there thoughts on torches, must have a piezo starter though and flame lock with flame adjustability. Lastly I use bottle keys to switch the gas on & off from the floor tanks at work, what’s the safest way to store these if there are only to be used sparsely? Disconnect the bottle altogether from the torch or will that just pop the entire bottle in one go? Or are they 100% sealed for long(ish) safe storage. Thanks in advance guys
Here's the thing, if you take that MAPP torch off the MAPP bottle and put it on to the Propane bottle it will do exactly the same type work that they say you need MAPP for. Its all a rip off. In my experiments, Propane with the TS8000 MAPP torch fitted heated up the work metal (mild steel flat bar) 12°C hotter than if I used the MAPP setup after 1 minuet of heating the metal both from a base temperature of 18°C - MAPP 415°C, Propane (same torch) 427°C. Make of it what you will. I Silver solder now with the MAPP torch on a hose connected to my 9Kg Propane bottle that I also use for camping (running the cooker on the camper trailer) so now I can take a means of doing road side repairs to metal work when outback if I need to, just one hose and the torch, easy to pack. Yes you can put the Propane Torch onto a MAPP bottle but you will get Propane performance from it, not MAPP. Its all about the torch, not the gas.
Gibs Onethirty Thanks for the reply Gibs and helpful information. I ended up purchasing one of the Vortex packages which came with a bottle of Mapp gas and four different nozzle tips. The Piezo auto torch is a fantastic piece of kit and I’ve used it a number of times for various jobs both at home and out on sites coming in to its own for several specific homer jobs. My only gripe was the bottle itself and relating back to my original query was storage. I think I may have received a bottle with a defective seal because on the fourth or fifth use when I unscrewed the torch to store them, replacing the black plastic bottle cap, I soon discovered the bottle had leaked and quite substantially. Both the torch and bottle showed no signs of damage and removal of the torch gave the usual pop indicating the bottle had sealed itself but unfortunately it did not, not fully at least. Appreciate your advice though pal.
Heat the fitting not the joint and let the heat pull the solder in off the pipe.... should almost look like a vacuum sucking the solder into it which will give you a much stronger seal because you are soldering the entire joint and not just the outside seam
The reviews on these keep saying the flame goes out when turned sideways or even less at 45 degrees. Though this video does show otherwise Idk how reliable these torches are.
Hi everyone, does anyone knows what might be the cause of this? I got a propane torch and a 20 libs gas tank, I used for few times and it worked perfect, I tried again to use it and it has a very weak flame now. I tried with a 2 libs propane tank and it works perfect. The 20 libs propane tank worked in the beginning and it still nearly full tank, is not empty or anything like that.
Once again, I'm confused by the short answers without explanations. If as Richard says at the end "the new solder requires more heat", does that imply I should use one of the better heads to solder 1/2 fittings, use MAP gas, just one of the two, or both? I currently own the cheap propane and the cheap nozzle with striker and my 1/2" copper pipe soldering is a mess.
This is just a guess, but I believe Richard is referring to the lead free solder that is required for potable water lines. They require more heat than typical lead solder. For 1/2” pipes you don’t need MAP gas or a larger torch. Pencil torch with propane will do just fine.
youratlanteon friend i think its just the exact lighter model, my new one has a yellow button, but my workmates older one has a red button, but use the same gas
Uh..huh...well, here's the real deal. If you get the joint fully soldered, you have the correct amount of flux. If you don't there's not enough. BTW - there are no "style points" for flux application.
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Military flamethrowers work by shooting a stream of flammable liquid, usually gasoline or napalm, and igniting it. Pressurized gas from a separate canister is used to propel the liquid fuel out of the tank and through the air, but this gas is not meant to be combusted and was typically inert CO2. If you're referring to the commercial "Not-a-Flamethrower" being sold by The Boring Company, I believe it just puts out a larger volume of gas at a higher rate. More utilitarian torches like these Bernzomatics are designed to be more efficient and conserve fuel by blowing out a lower volume of gas at a given time, while Musk's torch sacrifices this efficiency for entertainment value.
Hi! Beginner here. I need to use a MAPP torch for polishing acrylic edges. It'll be my first time. I've been watching a lot of videos, but I have one question.. When I finish using the torch, do i keep the torch attachment ON the canister? Is it safe to just unscrew and detach the torch when the canister is still not empty?
Keep the torch head on the bottle until it has cooled sufficiently. As you'd imagine, the tips get extremely hot, so keeping it stood upright in safe location while it cools is best, especially if it's in repeated use.Just kill the flame and put the safety on and make sure no one touches it. You'll only really remove the torch when you're completely done, only remove it after the nozzle has cooled, and when you take it off, hold the trigger and ignition to burn out any gas left in it (move the bottle away first).
the small canisters are equipped with a valve which will reseal the canister once the torch part is unscrewed. You can dip the threaded end of the cylinder into a bucket of water and look for bubbles if you are suspicious of a leak.
Torch heads should be removed from fuel tanks when not in use. Torch heads should be removed from fuel tanks when not in use. A dropped torch / fuel tank combination has been known to break the joint between the tank and top fitting releasing the entire contents of the tank. Bad with a cold torch. Absolutely catastrophic with a lit torch in an enclosed space. Stubby tanks are safer, less likely to be stressed to breaking from such impact. Torch heads should be removed from fuel tanks when not in use.
Richard has obviously never seen his grandfather's blow torch operating with gasoline, which is what they generally used for fuel. It is anything but a lazy flame. It is a roaring blue flame that shoots out about a foot.
Jody Doakes in the UK we also ran them on paraffin and we call them blowlamps. We have a super large version with a 4 inch diameter burner that produces a 3 foot long flame, that's used for killing weeds by cooking them...
Here's the thing, if you take that MAPP torch off the MAPP bottle and put it on to the Propane bottle it will do exactly the same type work that they say you need MAPP for. Its all a rip off. In my experiments, Propane with the TS8000 MAPP torch fitted heated up the work metal (mild steel flat bar) 12°C hotter than if I used the MAPP setup after 1 minuet of heating the metal both from a base temperature of 18°C - MAPP 415°C, Propane (same torch) 427°C. Make of it what you will. I Silver solder now with the MAPP torch on a hose connected to my 9Kg Propane bottle that I also use for camping (running the cooker on the camper trailer) so now I can take a means of doing road side repairs to metal work when outback if I need to, just one hose and the torch, easy to pack.
The only blowtorch in the video was the one you fill with a liquid fuel (kerosene) and pump up. After it's hot, it should keep the pressure up by itself as the fuel warms up. Compressed gas torches, like propane torches, are NOT blowtorches. A lot of people call any torch a blowtorch, but it's only a correct description of the old-timey pump-to-pressurize liquid fuel torches.
@@tylerlappa7356 not sure about the model shown in the video, but here in the UK, these type of torches are interchangeable between Mapp and Propane..I am talking about torches like the Rothenberger Surefire 2 for instance....
Here's the thing, if you take that MAPP torch off the MAPP bottle and put it on to the Propane bottle it will do exactly the same type work that they say you need MAPP for. Its all a rip off. In my experiments, Propane with the TS8000 MAPP torch fitted heated up the work metal (mild steel flat bar) 12°C hotter than if I used the MAPP setup after 1 minuet of heating the metal both from a base temperature of 18°C - MAPP 415°C, Propane (same torch) 427°C. Make of it what you will. I Silver solder now with the MAPP torch on a hose connected to my 9Kg Propane bottle that I also use for camping (running the cooker on the camper trailer) so now I can take a means of doing road side repairs to metal work when outback if I need to, just one hose and the torch, easy to pack. Yes you can put the Propane Torch onto a MAPP bottle but you will get Propane performance from it, not MAPP. Its all about the torch, not the gas.
Sweating copper out in the open is pretty easy. But for those of you that sweat in the walls, close to tar paper and insulation........yikes. Accident waiting to happen if your not careful. As in someone is going to be doing the "OH shit dance".......Wish Richard would try a Soldersnake. Best fire safety device for plumbers on the market.
The BernzOmatic TS8000. Adjust for the darkest blue flame you can get (an oxidizing flame), and keep the torch far enough from the meat that the blue part of the flame never touches the meat. If the blue flame touches the meat you'll get unburned propane particles in the meat resulting in "torch taste." And of course, keep the flame moving over the meat.
Is the torch interchangeable? Can i switch from the bigger torch tip to the pencil one on same canister? Or is it once i put a toch on canister i have to use it till its done?
Here's the thing, if you take that MAPP torch off the MAPP bottle and put it on to the Propane bottle it will do exactly the same type work that they say you need MAPP for. Its all a rip off. In my experiments, Propane with the TS8000 MAPP torch fitted heated up the work metal (mild steel flat bar) 12°C hotter than if I used the MAPP setup after 1 minuet of heating the metal both from a base temperature of 18°C - MAPP 415°C, Propane (same torch) 427°C. Make of it what you will. I Silver solder now with the MAPP torch on a hose connected to my 9Kg Propane bottle that I also use for camping (running the cooker on the camper trailer) so now I can take a means of doing road side repairs to metal work when outback if I need to, just one hose and the torch, easy to pack. Yes you can put the Propane Torch onto a MAPP bottle but you will get Propane performance from it, not MAPP. Its all about the torch, not the gas.
Perhaps this video needs to be re-visited since the time it was made MAPP GAS is no longer in production and the so called MAPP tanks today are just substitutes that reach the same temperature.
Gilberto Diaz-Castro True, but the propylene substitutes are labeled MAPP-PRO. To use their current proper name, one still has to include the MAPP section.
Here's the thing, if you take that MAPP torch off the MAPP bottle and put it on to the Propane bottle it will do exactly the same type work that they say you need MAPP for. Its all a rip off. In my experiments, Propane with the TS8000 MAPP torch fitted heated up the work metal (mild steel flat bar) 12°C hotter than if I used the MAPP setup after 1 minuet of heating the metal both from a base temperature of 18°C - MAPP 415°C, Propane (same torch) 427°C. Make of it what you will. I Silver solder now with the MAPP torch on a hose connected to my 9Kg Propane bottle that I also use for camping (running the cooker on the camper trailer) so now I can take a means of doing road side repairs to metal work when outback if I need to, just one hose and the torch, easy to pack. Yes you can put the Propane Torch onto a MAPP bottle but you will get Propane performance from it, not MAPP. Its all about the torch, not the gas.
It looks like the price gap between the manual and trigger start torch heads has narrowed significantly since this video was made. The pencil flame head retails for $14.25 at my local Home Depot, while the basic WT2301 trigger start he appears to be using goes for $17.31 at the same store. That's a difference of $3.06, not $10.
I've been a plumber since '78 and some things don't change....like how to properly sweat a joint. You only need to flux the pipe, not the fitting too. Of course everything is cleaned first with either brushes; internal/external or sandcloth...or both depending on the size of the joint. A good plumbing torch will let you adjust down to smaller jobs like 1/2-3/4" and also sweat larger sizes. Some of the small bottle 'turbo' torches won't do that.....you turn them down and the tips excessively heat to cherry red...not a good scenario. Better to have smaller tips that exchanges in & out for the smaller pipe sizes. I've had portable propane and MAP torches that work from 1/2" to 1/1/2". Honestly though unless I have access problems, anything over 1" and I'm using a bigger acetylene bottle and Turbo torches with different tips. And my fall back standard would always be my old Prest-O-Lite on acetylene. I've been on jobs where the plumber is struggling (time-wise) with a little bottle torch like under a house. Fire up the Turbo on a acetylene bottle or the Prest-O-Lite and cut the job time in half. The little hand held torches are for tight space and convenience, not for whole house sweating. The nice thing about the larger tanks torches is they have regulators and so you can fine tune your torch flame for the job at hand. I worked for a company once that forced everyone to use the small bottle torches for everything. That is, until I showed them how much time you can save on a whole house job using acetylene. But then I got stuck training the guy on how to use a large torch bottle set up. On most residential piping now it's all PEX style piping anyway. You can't win...glad I'm retiring...lol. Sweating will always have its place for repairs though and of course, HVAC.
Can you use pure acetylene for this purpose or is it always oxyacetylene?
@@commadanteflet Acetylene, and these days there's not much difference in temperature between Map-Pro and propane but a significant difference in price.
It's my understanding that Mapp is no longer available in the U.S.
I thought they used Silver Solder or something now, won't that lead leech into the water?
@@tomasinacovell4293 They use silver bearing solder now for residential and commercial potable copper. It is lead free....requires more heat, slightly different techniques and flux.
@@TheReal1953 Ah!
This guy's review is way much better and easier to understand than the junk video that Benzomatic posted on their website. Thanks a lot "This Old House".
The original MAPP gas production came to an end in 2008 as the sole plant making it discontinued the production. ... In early 2008, true MAPP gas production ended in North America when production was discontinued at the only remaining plant in North America that still manufactured it.
Rich has Always been the best of the team
Agreed.
Appreciate the wisdom and experience these guys provide ❤️
Great info for someone that is learning slowley to do plumbing and wants to make a forge as a hobby. Thanks for the knowladge. Mush help full
Worth noting that, in most of these videos, Richard uses a Bernzomatic TS4000 with propane.
For any work I HVAC pipes you need the yellow can. Pipes are thicker and solder is silver
Everyone in the comments section knows best. I’ve been plumbing for ever and here’s what I’ve learned. ....
Ask 10 different plumbers the right way to do something and you’re sure to get 10 different answers. Best to learn from trial and error and stick to what works for you... having said that I prefer mapp gas each and every time. To me it just seems faster and more reliable
Don't agree....there's a much smaller number of ways to sweat copper properly and some universal do's and don't. And the only times you will see failures is when you've been in the trade for decades and see the plumber's mistakes. Like wiping hot joints with a rag. A lot of guys do that for appearance reasons. You can compromise your joint doing that...easily. I've seen them fail yrs later. Just because your joint hasn't failed in a yr, doesn't mean it won't fail eventually. Anybody who has done lots of repair AND new work knows this.
Only problem is, MAPP gas is not being manufactured in the US anymore. The crap that they sell today in yellow canisters labelled MAP/Pro (propadiene gas) is NOT THE SAME as the good ole MAPP (methylacetylene-propadiene propane) gas that between propane and acetylene, and that old timers like you remember so fondly. MAP/Pro is quite wimpy compared to MAPP, and propane comes very close to being as MAP/Pro, but a lot cheaper. In my opinion, MAP/Pro is a waste.
@@StilettoSniper I remember reading about this in about early 2010's, when I was getting into the trades (HVAC)
What about using propylene? aka propene aka methyl ethylene?
Things got busy and I never had the chance to experiment with propylene... these days propane or acetylene...
@@walterbrunswick That's what you get when you purchase a cylinder of MAP-Pro today. It is a mix of propane and propylene. It pales in comparison to the original MAPP gas in terms of heat though.
I'd like to get that tall old gray propane bottle for weeds. Where can I find one?
Fair enough. I watched this as I wanted to find out which torch to use, couldn't be any more to the point, learn a little soldering tip, good vid. Liked / Subscribed
I've just heard old mapp gas no longer available ? Why did they discontinue this ? I really liked it.
Richard is a good plumber. Thank u for ur help.
Melting point of new "Lead-free" solder is higher so we need more heat, thanks for the tip, I knew it was taking too long to flow.
Great men with great experience. Thank you teaching us.
The tiny little pencil torches are only really good for 1/2 and maybe 3/4 copper.
Yeah and 3/4" is barely adequate. I like to use the big TS8000 torch with propane for 3/4", and just turn down the heat a bit until it is just right and doesn't overheat the fitting.
1:25 I prefer the automatic blowtorch than than the manual ☝🏻. 1:53 jet engine blowtorch
was hoping you'd show how to replace the canister onto the torch head...I have a refill canister with one of those long thing tube tip...does a torch head fit onto that? Or is it a different type of canister? Gosh...hope you're reading your comments. Thanks.
What a brilliant mad plumber richard is
Here's the thing, if you take that MAPP torch off the MAPP bottle and put it on to the Propane bottle it will do exactly the same type work that they say you need MAPP for. Its all a rip off. In my experiments, Propane with the TS8000 MAPP torch fitted heated up the work metal (mild steel flat bar) 12°C hotter than if I used the MAPP setup after 1 minuet of heating the metal both from a base temperature of 18°C - MAPP 415°C, Propane (same torch) 427°C. Make of it what you will. I Silver solder now with the MAPP torch on a hose connected to my 9Kg Propane bottle that I also use for camping (running the cooker on the camper trailer) so now I can take a means of doing road side repairs to metal work when outback if I need to, just one hose and the torch, easy to pack.
Yes, because MAPP gas of yesteryear is NOT the same as today's MAP/Pro. They can't even call what is sold today "MAPP" gas because the company that hold the patent and trademark on MAPP gas will not allow it to be used for the overpriced MAP/Pro crap they sell today.
WOW GREAT VIDEO VERY EDUCATIONAL
I trust Richard with my life
lesson learned sir !! Thank you !!
Great info as always guys!
I use a turbotorch 504 on half inch and I have never had a problem burning solder out
You're really smart keep making videos about HVAC very helpful thanks🖖
Never gave the map gas torch a chance, you can turn it down! And too much flux and solder!😉
Thanks. I have an exhaust bolt problem.
Excellent video, very informative, thanks !
Is propane gas safe on food? Can i use this on food?
All I want to know is what's the best torch to solder lead on the back of a chimney
Thanks for the info. Can you use that nice bernzomatic mapp torch with propane and/or on a lower setting to solder 1/2" copper?
Will either of the smaller units work for brazing (not soldering) hvac copper lines? Thank you!
I wish they would do a show on cleaning and maintaining the tips. And what if you use the bigger tip on a propane bottle instead of MAPP gas? Will it still be too hot?
can't you control the flame size by the adjustable knob on the bigger touch ?
Hello, I am going to purchase a mapp gas torch. I have seen heads for the cylinder that are described as triple point flames. What's the advantage over a single point flame?
Surrounds the fitting
Brilliant, concise information.
I learnt a lot.
I use the second blue torch for dabbing works perfectly fine
Thanks
My brothers friend used to do dabs and he had the map gas torch with the yellow tank. He gave the torch to my brother after he got in trouble with the cops for dui accident with serious bodily injury.
very nice this is very imformative video..
thanks!!!!
Using the third torch option here, the Piezo igniter with MAPP gas, surely if you used just a propane tank on that it would reduce the heat enough allowing for solder on your 1/4-1/2” pipes? Just curious as to thoughts. As a fabricator I use oxyacetylene and large propane torches regularly for slicing girders and steel plates etc and had no need for one of these until recently. Was thinking of buying one myself, not a Rothenberger, maybe just a cheaper Vortex model for jobs around the house and in my new home garage. Would appreciate a plumbers advice on a decent universal option and there thoughts on torches, must have a piezo starter though and flame lock with flame adjustability. Lastly I use bottle keys to switch the gas on & off from the floor tanks at work, what’s the safest way to store these if there are only to be used sparsely? Disconnect the bottle altogether from the torch or will that just pop the entire bottle in one go? Or are they 100% sealed for long(ish) safe storage. Thanks in advance guys
Here's the thing, if you take that MAPP torch off the MAPP bottle and put it on to the Propane bottle it will do exactly the same type work that they say you need MAPP for. Its all a rip off. In my experiments, Propane with the TS8000 MAPP torch fitted heated up the work metal (mild steel flat bar) 12°C hotter than if I used the MAPP setup after 1 minuet of heating the metal both from a base temperature of 18°C - MAPP 415°C, Propane (same torch) 427°C. Make of it what you will. I Silver solder now with the MAPP torch on a hose connected to my 9Kg Propane bottle that I also use for camping (running the cooker on the camper trailer) so now I can take a means of doing road side repairs to metal work when outback if I need to, just one hose and the torch, easy to pack.
Yes you can put the Propane Torch onto a MAPP bottle but you will get Propane performance from it, not MAPP. Its all about the torch, not the gas.
Gibs Onethirty Thanks for the reply Gibs and helpful information. I ended up purchasing one of the Vortex packages which came with a bottle of Mapp gas and four different nozzle tips. The Piezo auto torch is a fantastic piece of kit and I’ve used it a number of times for various jobs both at home and out on sites coming in to its own for several specific homer jobs. My only gripe was the bottle itself and relating back to my original query was storage. I think I may have received a bottle with a defective seal because on the fourth or fifth use when I unscrewed the torch to store them, replacing the black plastic bottle cap, I soon discovered the bottle had leaked and quite substantially. Both the torch and bottle showed no signs of damage and removal of the torch gave the usual pop indicating the bottle had sealed itself but unfortunately it did not, not fully at least.
Appreciate your advice though pal.
Hey guys, is this safe when put in storage room (28-30degree room temp).?
can i use a candle instead of a blowtorch?
Ina Rafdel Yes, if you have nothing to do for the next 5 years.
you can try cave man style tell us how you made out on youtube.
Thank you!
Thank Y'all!
Great video. Thank you!
Are these propane and MAPP gas torches safe to use inside the home..? Assuming you have a nice tile to work on..?
Rob K pretty difficult to do all your pluming from outside of the house
which blowtorch would you recommend for me to get a big massive cloud of wax?
Does braze using mapp gas leave dust after inside the copper?
Heat the fitting not the joint and let the heat pull the solder in off the pipe.... should almost look like a vacuum sucking the solder into it which will give you a much stronger seal because you are soldering the entire joint and not just the outside seam
The reviews on these keep saying the flame goes out when turned sideways or even less at 45 degrees. Though this video does show otherwise Idk how reliable these torches are.
Hi! Thank you so much for the video. Is it normal for the torch (the one that uses MAP) to get very cold while using it?
while changing the water pressure regulator do you have to solder the pipes?
Hi everyone, does anyone knows what might be the cause of this? I got a propane torch and a 20 libs gas tank, I used for few times and it worked perfect, I tried again to use it and it has a very weak flame now. I tried with a 2 libs propane tank and it works perfect. The 20 libs propane tank worked in the beginning and it still nearly full tank, is not empty or anything like that.
Once again, I'm confused by the short answers without explanations. If as Richard says at the end "the new solder requires more heat", does that imply I should use one of the better heads to solder 1/2 fittings, use MAP gas, just one of the two, or both? I currently own the cheap propane and the cheap nozzle with striker and my 1/2" copper pipe soldering is a mess.
This is just a guess, but I believe Richard is referring to the lead free solder that is required for potable water lines. They require more heat than typical lead solder. For 1/2” pipes you don’t need MAP gas or a larger torch. Pencil torch with propane will do just fine.
Very helpful thank you.
Is their a difference with the broad flame torches, Im asking as I've seen them with red, blue, and yellow start buttons
youratlanteon friend i think its just the exact lighter model, my new one has a yellow button, but my workmates older one has a red button, but use the same gas
You can adjust the flame with the last one?
Is it possible to tack weld rebar with the blow torch?
No
That was way too much flux on that fitting
+christoper indeed.
That was my first thought
Uh..huh...well, here's the real deal. If you get the joint fully soldered, you have the correct amount of flux. If you don't there's not enough. BTW - there are no "style points" for flux application.
Is it true that excess flux inside a copper pipe can corrode the metal over time?
Yea he put too much flux... there is a thing as too much flux... go try and do clean room work or med gas work and that’s a big no no.
Thanks for the comparisons...
Those old gasoline/kerosene torches don’t produce a lazy flame.They work like a jet camp stove.
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What blowtorches are used for besides "experiments"?
thanks mr richard
How can you make a blow torch to produce or blow a much longer flame 🔥 as in a ‘Flamethrower’ ?? 😨
Military flamethrowers work by shooting a stream of flammable liquid, usually gasoline or napalm, and igniting it. Pressurized gas from a separate canister is used to propel the liquid fuel out of the tank and through the air, but this gas is not meant to be combusted and was typically inert CO2.
If you're referring to the commercial "Not-a-Flamethrower" being sold by The Boring Company, I believe it just puts out a larger volume of gas at a higher rate. More utilitarian torches like these Bernzomatics are designed to be more efficient and conserve fuel by blowing out a lower volume of gas at a given time, while Musk's torch sacrifices this efficiency for entertainment value.
@1.56 Jet engines run off of air compression, the apu provides this source of air!!
Hi! Beginner here.
I need to use a MAPP torch for polishing acrylic edges. It'll be my first time. I've been watching a lot of videos, but I have one question..
When I finish using the torch, do i keep the torch attachment ON the canister? Is it safe to just unscrew and detach the torch when the canister is still not empty?
Keep the torch head on the bottle until it has cooled sufficiently. As you'd imagine, the tips get extremely hot, so keeping it stood upright in safe location while it cools is best, especially if it's in repeated use.Just kill the flame and put the safety on and make sure no one touches it.
You'll only really remove the torch when you're completely done, only remove it after the nozzle has cooled, and when you take it off, hold the trigger and ignition to burn out any gas left in it (move the bottle away first).
the small canisters are equipped with a valve which will reseal the canister once the torch part is unscrewed. You can dip the threaded end of the cylinder into a bucket of water and look for bubbles if you are suspicious of a leak.
yes.
Torch heads should be removed from fuel tanks when not in use.
Torch heads should be removed from fuel tanks when not in use.
A dropped torch / fuel tank combination has been known to break the joint between the tank and top fitting releasing the entire contents of the tank. Bad with a cold torch. Absolutely catastrophic with a lit torch in an enclosed space. Stubby tanks are safer, less likely to be stressed to breaking from such impact.
Torch heads should be removed from fuel tanks when not in use.
It's always a safe practice to leave multiple propane torches on while you work.
Can the pencil tip manual torch melt steel?
No
Is this what I use to fix steel to steel ??
great information !!
They did not mention what type of torch to use on which color tank as beginner there is not much info here
Ive never used propane for soldering its too slow
Richard has obviously never seen his grandfather's blow torch operating with gasoline, which is what they generally used for fuel. It is anything but a lazy flame. It is a roaring blue flame that shoots out about a foot.
AWESOME. I saw one of those blow torches at a estate sale once
Jody Doakes in the UK we also ran them on paraffin and we call them blowlamps. We have a super large version with a 4 inch diameter burner that produces a 3 foot long flame, that's used for killing weeds by cooking them...
I have one. You're right. And if you're fast enough maybe you'll be able to solder copper water lines
I have little old gasoline-powered ...? You just need to fill in some bensin..å do not have to go to the gas supplier.
I love my MAPP gas torch, but I didn't realize the nuances that you mentioned.
Can Mapp be used for automotive purpose, specifically on an exhaust manifold ?
G H Mapp gas hasn't been produced in North America since 2008. Map/Pro is what is available now.
can you braze with just the MAPP?
Here's the thing, if you take that MAPP torch off the MAPP bottle and put it on to the Propane bottle it will do exactly the same type work that they say you need MAPP for. Its all a rip off. In my experiments, Propane with the TS8000 MAPP torch fitted heated up the work metal (mild steel flat bar) 12°C hotter than if I used the MAPP setup after 1 minuet of heating the metal both from a base temperature of 18°C - MAPP 415°C, Propane (same torch) 427°C. Make of it what you will. I Silver solder now with the MAPP torch on a hose connected to my 9Kg Propane bottle that I also use for camping (running the cooker on the camper trailer) so now I can take a means of doing road side repairs to metal work when outback if I need to, just one hose and the torch, easy to pack.
The only blowtorch in the video was the one you fill with a liquid fuel (kerosene) and pump up. After it's hot, it should keep the pressure up by itself as the fuel warms up. Compressed gas torches, like propane torches, are NOT blowtorches. A lot of people call any torch a blowtorch, but it's only a correct description of the old-timey pump-to-pressurize liquid fuel torches.
You can turn the flame force down on the mapp gas torch, it is adjustable....😉
Plus, since its a bit hotter, you'll get your soldering done quicker. Just watch what your doing!
can you use a torch that came with a propane canister with map gas canister.
Can use map tip for propane but not the propane tip for map
@@tylerlappa7356 not sure about the model shown in the video, but here in the UK, these type of torches are interchangeable between Mapp and Propane..I am talking about torches like the Rothenberger Surefire 2 for instance....
Here's the thing, if you take that MAPP torch off the MAPP bottle and put it on to the Propane bottle it will do exactly the same type work that they say you need MAPP for. Its all a rip off. In my experiments, Propane with the TS8000 MAPP torch fitted heated up the work metal (mild steel flat bar) 12°C hotter than if I used the MAPP setup after 1 minuet of heating the metal both from a base temperature of 18°C - MAPP 415°C, Propane (same torch) 427°C. Make of it what you will. I Silver solder now with the MAPP torch on a hose connected to my 9Kg Propane bottle that I also use for camping (running the cooker on the camper trailer) so now I can take a means of doing road side repairs to metal work when outback if I need to, just one hose and the torch, easy to pack.
Yes you can put the Propane Torch onto a MAPP bottle but you will get Propane performance from it, not MAPP. Its all about the torch, not the gas.
Sweating copper out in the open is pretty easy. But for those of you that sweat in the walls, close to tar paper and insulation........yikes. Accident waiting to happen if your not careful. As in someone is going to be doing the "OH shit dance".......Wish Richard would try a Soldersnake. Best fire safety device for plumbers on the market.
Wowww! Good to know
Nice
I thought they used Silver Solder or something now, won't that lead leech into the water?
No more mapp gas! It’s now mapp pro and almost the same temp as propane.
thamk you sir
And which blow torch is best for finishing a steak that's been cooked in a sous vide?
The BernzOmatic TS8000. Adjust for the darkest blue flame you can get (an oxidizing flame), and keep the torch far enough from the meat that the blue part of the flame never touches the meat. If the blue flame touches the meat you'll get unburned propane particles in the meat resulting in "torch taste." And of course, keep the flame moving over the meat.
why not get the highest heat torch and just fan the flame intermittently
Can it cut iron?
And wipe the solder joint with a polymer rag, smart...
Is the torch interchangeable? Can i switch from the bigger torch tip to the pencil one on same canister? Or is it once i put a toch on canister i have to use it till its done?
Here's the thing, if you take that MAPP torch off the MAPP bottle and put it on to the Propane bottle it will do exactly the same type work that they say you need MAPP for. Its all a rip off. In my experiments, Propane with the TS8000 MAPP torch fitted heated up the work metal (mild steel flat bar) 12°C hotter than if I used the MAPP setup after 1 minuet of heating the metal both from a base temperature of 18°C - MAPP 415°C, Propane (same torch) 427°C. Make of it what you will. I Silver solder now with the MAPP torch on a hose connected to my 9Kg Propane bottle that I also use for camping (running the cooker on the camper trailer) so now I can take a means of doing road side repairs to metal work when outback if I need to, just one hose and the torch, easy to pack.
Yes you can put the Propane Torch onto a MAPP bottle but you will get Propane performance from it, not MAPP. Its all about the torch, not the gas.
That’s right.
Is it ok to light it with a lighter?
+Sean Anderson Yes it's ok.
can you use a torch that sizes to heat and bend steel.
depends on the thickness of the steel. If you want it hardened you will need to heat it above 750 degrees(if i remember right) and cool it down fast.
Am I right to assume from your video that safety glasses and gloves are not necessary?
What tip was the blue tank
Standard propane torch
I know nothing about sweeting pipe and I love your shows but I think there was to much flux involved
Perhaps this video needs to be re-visited since the time it was made MAPP GAS is no longer in production and the so called MAPP tanks today are just substitutes that reach the same temperature.
Gilberto Diaz-Castro True, but the propylene substitutes are labeled MAPP-PRO. To use their current proper name, one still has to include the MAPP section.
@@dylanheadrick3789 Isn't it MAP/ PRO, though?
Here's the thing, if you take that MAPP torch off the MAPP bottle and put it on to the Propane bottle it will do exactly the same type work that they say you need MAPP for. Its all a rip off. In my experiments, Propane with the TS8000 MAPP torch fitted heated up the work metal (mild steel flat bar) 12°C hotter than if I used the MAPP setup after 1 minuet of heating the metal both from a base temperature of 18°C - MAPP 415°C, Propane (same torch) 427°C. Make of it what you will. I Silver solder now with the MAPP torch on a hose connected to my 9Kg Propane bottle that I also use for camping (running the cooker on the camper trailer) so now I can take a means of doing road side repairs to metal work when outback if I need to, just one hose and the torch, easy to pack.
Yes you can put the Propane Torch onto a MAPP bottle but you will get Propane performance from it, not MAPP. Its all about the torch, not the gas.
Was hoping he would have told where to get the torch on the yellow bottle .
MAPP torch is a great way to start a Big Green Egg BBQ
I feel like Tim Allen would be a nice thing to add to this show.
It looks like the price gap between the manual and trigger start torch heads has narrowed significantly since this video was made. The pencil flame head retails for $14.25 at my local Home Depot, while the basic WT2301 trigger start he appears to be using goes for $17.31 at the same store. That's a difference of $3.06, not $10.