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Also the last movie before they start completely messing the timeline. As far as I am concerned, the story stops here. Genysis and Dark Fate are only worth watching if you like having the previous films shat all over.
@@stumblepuppy606Your wrong and obviously don’t no Jack about this franchise only 3 films that are true terminator films are terminator (84) terminator 2 (92) and terminator dark fate NO ARNOLD NO TERMINATOR fact your easily satisfied watching accepting a load of god awful garbage without the MAIN STAR of this franchise is like having aliens without ripley sigourney NO ARNOLD NO TERMINATOR go back to your bad taste in movies
@@Wash869Dark fates really good loved it, only 3 any good terminator (84) terminator 2: judgement day and terminator dark fate rest are garbage you can’t have a terminator film without ARNOLD
He really did a great job. Visually, I prefer T2 but we never got to hear him speak so the point is moot. Christian Bale nailed the role in my opinion.
I just realized something: at the beginning of T2, they show future John with a face scar. He got that face scar at the end of this movie when the T-800 ran it's hand down his face. It's in the same place.
Yeah, this movie has a lot of cool details like that and it's a shame it wasn't very well received. Obviously, it doesn't hold a candle to the original or T2 but it's still a ton of fun.
@@DarksideSleemo I'm one of the few people who think the first 4 Terminator films are all great. Things fell off a bit, but I do genuinely enjoy Genesys. They at least tried to change up the formula. It sadly didn't pan out so well.
@@vidiveniviciDCLXVI Most likely. That may have been the Terminator they were going to send back, given it had the Arnold skin on it already. Could also have just been a ploy to make him hesitate long enough for it to kill him, like the one from T3 did.
This was one of Stan Winston's last films as he did the makeup effects for the franchise. He passed away from blood cancer in 2008 during production at 62 and it was dedicated to his memory.
I know a lot of people crap on all of the terminator sequels after T2, but I really like Salvation. They broke out of the time travel mold and tried to do something different. After T1 and T2 this is my favorite. T3 could have been good, but they didnt want to take it serious...too goofy at times. The movie was ok...ending saved it from being bad in my opinion.
You echo my thoughts mate, I thought this was a really good movie. In my opinion its the best after the first two. Let's be honest not likely anything will beat T2 that movie is just about perfect. But this one at least tried to something different, and we very much wanted to see more of the future and how is t he war like. I really appreciate it for trying and I thought some of the scenes were absolutely mental. I for one love this movie.
This is the movie where Christian Bale had that infamous on-set freak out at the cinematographer and the audio recording of it was ‘leaked’ online. Family Guy did a parody sketch of the recording where Bale is shouting at Peter Griffin. 😂
The T-600s were the early infiltration units that Kyle Reese talked about in T1. Specifically he talked about their rubber skin and being easy to spot, and how they were way easier to kill than the new T-800s. I think this movie did a great job of portraying the 600s based off Kyle’s brief description.
Also no one ever catches onto the scene where he hacks the motorcycle, the song he uses as bait is the same song him and his friend listened too in terminator 2
The Terminators that John was fighting at the beginning of this film as well as the one on the street that was shooting at Marcus were T-600 series Terminators. Reese talked about them in the first film when he said, "The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy." Such a shame. Salvation was suppose to be the beginning of a new trilogy that tells the story of the rise of the resistance and the ultimate defeat of Skynet, but it just didn't make the money and they abandoned the trilogy in favor of what I consider to be an ultimately terrible path. Since John realized in this film that the T-800s are being created much earlier than his mother told him about it means the time line had been altered. I always thought it would've been cool if this future trilogy ended up being the ultimate way to make judgement day and the rise of the machines never happen. I imagined during the trilogy someone in the resistance like a scientific expert discovers that Skynets plan to send the Terminators back in time to end Connors existence had a secondary purpose. Upon the success of their primary mission, ending Connor, they would then proceed to their secondary mission, Ensure the creation of Skynet. It is then discovered that if they actually prevent Skynet from sending ANY of the Terminators through time it will prevent Skynet from every existing. However John and the Resistance are left with a sort of dilemma. If they stop Skynet from sending any of the Terminators back, thus ending it's creation they also end everything as it is including John himself. At the end of the trilogy, John makes the decision to literally sacrifice his existence to prevent it all from ever happening. No one will ever know because no one will ever know he existed.
S.M. Stirling wrote a trilogy of Terminator novels that came out just before T3 and they theorized some of that - Skynet sent back two teams of Terminators - one to eliminate the Connors and the other to pave the way for Skynet to come into existence.
Marcus is a hybrid, he still has all his internal organs, and the memories of who he was..He's basically human, but with a terminator skeleton instead of a bone one, he feels pain too, just right in the moment of injury, doesn't linger like it would for humans/animals
@@Ciffer-1998 it is for Marcus because he has human organs the only thing that makes him different if that he has a metal skeleton the rest of him is human and all the other machines have rubber skin not real that cannot regenerate marcus is a rarity case that his own human tissue can heal itself I just cannot remember on how fast it can heal maybe faster than a normal human but slower than t-800 if I recall he even feels pain.
I really didn't like this film initially, but after the rest of the franchise came out, it's jumped up my list significantly. It's the only sequel that really tried something different.
fyi : T-800 made of metal that cannot be destroyed by artillery fired by John Connor, The android frame that Connor shot was a T-600 model made of ordinary iron, a beta version of the T-800
In my opinion the 800 series Terminator is the best robust design by Skynet, the more advanced versions seem powerful but also fragile from too much beating. Like T1000, TX & even T3000. The supposed T5000 that grabbed Connor & converted him to a Terminator is a mystery though.
LET'S GOOOOO!!! I BEEN WAITING SO PATIENTLY 😂 THIS MOVIE IS SO UNDERRATED. IT TOOK TIME FOR THIS MOVIE TO GROW ON ME BUT IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF MY FAVORITE FILMS. THE CINEMATOGRAPHY AND THE QUALITY WAS SO AWESOME!! ❤
The bulky Terminators in the wastland were T-600s. The Terminator is being made in the factory were T-700s mechanically identical to the T-800 but as intelligent as the T-600 when alone. The Terminator that was fighting Marcus was the T-800 prototype. John Connor in T-3 was killed by a T-850 but that was a different future so who knows if that will happen in Salvations future.
Arnold Schwarzenegger hated this movie, because they never asked if he would come back to the role, as he retired from acting to become governor of California from 2003-2010. He said in an interview, while promoting TERMINATOR: GENISYS, that "It sucked, it missed the boat by a mile, it had interesting characters and a great premise, but the ending was just awful."
Is that the source of the Salvation controversy? I also remember Bale blew up at a lighting guy but I didn't think it was a big enough thing to cause the hate this film received.
Arnold wanst in part 4. Thats CGI. part 4 sucked azz. It LITERALLY killed the series. 1st movie in series to bomb financially. Lost the studio 100 million. People never trusted the franchise ever again. 5 and 6 were great. Except the feminist bs in 6. Supposed to get 2 more but becuz part 6 lost the studio 220 million....its NEVER gonna happen
Hey hey I've been checking back here for the last few days in anticipation for your T4 review. Well done guys as you are the best Terminator reactors on RUclips. If you guys haven't already reacted to the Underworld franchise then I'd gladly tune in.
Nice little detail at 36:48, the music that Connor is opening on the radio to lures in the moto-terminator is the same one he listens to at the beginning of Terminator Judgement Day Gun n' Roses - You Could Be Mine
If the finale felt a bit off is because it was rewrite on a rush. The original script leaked to the internet and they were doing some (big) damage control. In the original John dies but as very few knew his face for the sake of people's hope Marcus takes his place. So from that point on the john Connor that fights the machines is secretly a machine himself. The end
This movie is freakin Sick, i don't Care what some people say. Yeah, Markus carried This for sure, Not Only him But The acting of The cast in This was Great
Skynet losing because it developed an ego is goofy I do love how they have the melting Terminator hand causing the scar John has in T2's intro and the idea that the mass produced terrible terminators wear clothes to look humanish from a distance to trick the resistance into getting close or revealing their position
Ending of third movie was not only obvious but also necessary. Sara knew about skynet from guy that used skynet technology to get to her. Rhys could fight against terminator thanks to the technology build by skynet. Connor was born thanks to technology created by skynet. Even if we asume that Time machine will be created by someone else then... what for someone should go back and try to prevent existence of something that not exist? And if nobody go back in time... then skynet will exist.
A lethal injection death is actually a series of injections usually 3 or 4 injected at a particular time after the other. It usually has three or four different drugs since one drug may kill but it might not and still be very painful in the process. To make sure the person is dead and NOT in pain three or four substances are used .
Yes!!! Been waiting for you to watch Salvation. I love Sam Worthington in this. If you haven't seen his MAN ON A LEDGE (2012) Crime/Thriller, it's totally worth a watch. He's great in the lead. 🤩
This terminator movie is completely in the first time-line as the trilogy, prouve that in the second and third movie flashback we can see the injuries that Connor get in his face by T-800 here
Apparently, the true ending to this was that John dies and Marcus takes over (as figurehead?), wearing John's skin! I can't remember if it tested badly or if it came from the top, but it got changed into what we see in the theatrical cut. Either way, i loved this film, and the sound design in particular was just incredible!
I really liked the Terminator and their variants. The T-600(?) that Marcus encounters when he gets to Los Angeles is CREEPY/SCARY/FORMIDABLE AF. It looks more monstrous than mechanical. The HK variants and their modular terminator killer motorcycles are such a cool concept. I agree with you all, it was a solid entry. The unexpected inserts of Blake in this reaction and your T2 reaction.😂💀
Arnie wasn't in this one, cuz at that time he was governor and as a politician not allowed to be in movies. Nor would he have had the time, I assume. They cgi'd his face on to a bodybuilder's body, who stood in for Arnie's T-800.
Despite not being as good as its predecessors, Salvation was a decent sequel. The film moved forward with the story and has good action scenes. I just thought they gave too much importance to Marcus, instead of focusing more on John Connor. And I also thought there was a lack of further development regarding Resistance. Furthermore, I liked the references, especially when Connor says "I'll be back" and then we have the scene where "You Could Be Mine" plays, which is the main soundtrack for Terminator 2. And of course, the scene where "Schwarzenegger" appears is the icing on the cake. Very nostalgic. Between mistakes and successes, Salvation showed potential for more films set in the future. It's a shame it wasn't as well received.
everytime they go back in time they change the future, t1 was the 1st time they went back, even tho we havent been told we know the og timeline kyle never went back and john was born normally and became the leader and was winning, then kyle went back and the og john no longer existed instead the child of sarah and kyle was born and they gave him the same name and now kyle will forever be his pops and we may never kow the og father. this is a great universe to explore, love time travel
They apparently had another ending in mind ,john died & they transplant his face on markus to continue the fight in his name ,gowing for a "the hybrid who was part human part machine defeated skynet in the end" I supose, also allegedly another version of that was ,markus goes on a rampage after receiving the new face & kills them all 😅
Fun fact: Marcus officially lived on without his heart and aided John Connor in assisting Skynet defeating a rogue and psychotic Terminator that threatened the existence of Skynet itself--thus ultimately defeating it and creating peace with, well, Skynet.
Just a minor request. I think you guys should turn the movie volume up a little during the dialogue. Sermed harder to hear than other vids, or it's an issue on my end. Glad you enjoyed the movie! It's not the best in the franchise but my personal fav after 1&2.
The original cut had them put John's brain in Marcus' body so Sam Worthington would've played Connor as a human Terminator in the next movies. Test audiences hated it so they redid the end and added scene's emphasizing the heart. They also redid the first T-600 Marcus encounters, originally it's face had the plastic skin Reese mentioned in the first movie. Look up T-600 and you'll see shots of it. I think it looked much more bad-ass.
I guess that’s not true I just googled it. They were going to graft John’s face onto Marcus and Marcus would impersonate John. I also read his programming would activate and he’d kill Katherine and Kyle. That’s dark! I don’t know where the series would have gone from there..
There was a comic book sequel to the movie, which did end with *spoiler alert* John becoming a Terminator and Marcus returned, as his biological part was able to regrow his heart. He buried, but was kind of in a sort of suspended animation.
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It's a pity that they didn't follow up with two more Terminator movies following this one. With the sixth and final one being set in final days of the war and ending with Kyle Reese being sent to the past to stop the Arnie Terminator kill Sarah Connor, and in the post credit, the resistance sent the reprogrammed T800 back to 1995 to protect John Connor. Ending the franchise in bootstrap paradox which makes T1 a sequel to T6.
So if you think Gensis is the last movie, does that mean you're not going to do Dark Fate? Also one of you mentioned you don't know how lethal injection works. Injection 1 puts you to sleep, injection too paralyzes you, injection 3 goes directly into the heart to induce a heart attack.
If I remember correctly, the original ending was supposed to have Marcus's character get a facial transplant to be John Connor since Bale's character was supposed to die, but this allowed John to 'live' on and continue the fight against the machines, with only the close circle of people knowing the truth. I thought it would have been an amazing twist on the franchise, but I still love the movie regardless. Wish they made sequels to this movie instead of the other attempted ones they tried after this.
It’s not that they are weaker it’s that for one these are people who know how to fight them already and have better armor piercing rounds than they did in the 80s. These guys know exactly where to terminators are weakest armor wise and also actually have the rounds that can penetrate their armor as well.
So, in the Terminator Lore (from co-ordinating the average data from comics, books. movies, and tv) the models of evolution are; T-1 basic human-sized tank-tread drones. T-100 basic human shape infantry unit. T-300, T-400, T-500 are various forms of Heavy Chassis Unit, T-600 First of the Endo Skeletons, but they are built as massive guard with Gatling gun. They were easy to spot as infiltrators, as they wore rubber skin and were obvious, due to their size. T-700 Were tall human sized, had a darker metal due to their cobalt-titanium crossed chassis. The first true infiltrator. Good at short term mission, but the red glare of their eyes, and lack of fully realised flesh, led to rotting of the skin after barely-a-month. T-800 The Governor we know and love. Is a Triple-Armoured Hyper-Alloy Combat Chassis. (hence the size) Has full HUD Analytical Display, a fully functioning Flesh which stays can, apart from heavy lacerations/deep massive wounds, can stay fresh for decades, sweats and bad-breath. Arnie label as an T-101 is both erroneous and true. The 101 is in reference to the appearance of the skin it wears: T-800 Make of Endo-Skeleton - Series Model of skin [1-(first) - 01] (Arnold Schwarzenegger) All other Makes of T-888s, T-8xxs, T-900s were all slightly slimmer in design, but also retains their Heavy Chassis. Obvious to Terminator Units being reprogramed, Skynet creates more advanced models who are able to terminate other machines. The various models of larger Tanks, Mechs, and Aircraft are know collectively as HKs - Hunter Killers. Due to Alternative Universes created by the Time Travel nature of the franchises plot, there are always mods or conflicting intel.
Granted Ive not seen Sam Worthington in anything beside this and Avatar I dont get why he isnt a bigger star. I thought he was by far the best performance here in terms of nuance and believability.
The nice thing about a time travwl franchise is that the plot is irrelevant.just take a premise and run with it to see what plays out. What Is, What Was, What Could Be, What Will Be, and WTF. Hope to see you checking the Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles if you want more of the better content.
this movie is fire, for me better the terminator 3. of course its not as as epic as the two first ones, but still good imo, i get it why some people hate it, its probably cus they compare it with the two fisrt ones.
I don't know why so many people hate on this movie.. imo this is the best after terminator2. I also like that Connor is the side charector instead of the main.
I'd have to go back and analyze/watch-closely/take-notes to understand the full timeline and all of its various small intricacies fully, but generally, my understanding is this: terminator timeline: (WIP, still got to do a lot of actual research/analyzing of all of the movies very closely/meticulously, lol) (beginning) Terminator: Salvation: Marcus was the very first terminator ever created by skynet (not sure if that bald "cold dead: so this is what death feels like" cancer female was the real/actual "skynet" or not, as the first machine, which would make, Marcus the 2nd machine, created just like her, a human-machine hybrid. I do personally think that the real skynet is in fact that bald "cold dead" cancer female, already hiding as a man/woman machine, while the AI/"program" and so-called "skynet" of cyberdyne, is just that, an AI/program, as a diversion, to get humans to focus on it, while skynet is actually merged with a human body, walking around, just like Marcus would be so), using him (as a death row convict) to "donate" his "organs"/body for "science"... for cyberdyne, which was just a private company at the time/originally, as after dead Marcus is made into a terminator, the movie tells us that the US military than buys cyberdyne for its "advanced AI", for skynet and the lab where dead Marcus was turned into a terminator, would get "abandoned and lost" with time, only to be "rediscovered" (intentionally by skynet) by the resistance and john conner, years after judgement day, as seen in this movie whether skynet deems humans as "expendable" or not, is not so clear, skynet/machines may actually require humans, with man-machine being superior to mere machines, but regardless of this... it still had the effect, of uniting humans (john conner and kyle reese) and machines, through marcus, that humans and machines can work together, against machines... marcus is the reason arnold in T2 and T3, and john conner (and his wife ), are "buddies", sending arnold back in time, to protect john conner in T2 and T3, despite that arnold (supposedly) kills young adult john conner (T3) in T3's "original" timeline (as arnold got "killed" by the terminatrix and reprogrammed to kill john conner, with him attempting to do so near the end of T3 with them trying to start and then fly away with the helicopter-plane off to the bunker, with arnold slamming john conner onto the car, "supposedly" killing john conner, or did he actually self-terminate himself in the original timeline as well, as seen he did in the T3 movie's current timeline, the messy-ness of trying to use time travel in stories, lol), with john's wife, (re)-reprogramming arnold, sending him back in time to the beginning of T3, to protect john conner, and maybe also sending arnold back in time to T2 to also protect kid john conner, as well after T4, we then get T5, with the time travel machine, which then enables the all of the time traveling that occurs within the terminator franchise (T 1-6)... possibly "starting" with kyle reese as the first (human-side) volunteer going back in time (to T1) to protect sarah conner, and knock her up with his future-to-be-son, john conner, and then kyle reese dies (if I remember T1's ending, lol), but Sarah Conner is knocked up with john conner, so kyle reese's death in T1 (again, if it does happen), doesn't matter, as resistance john conner in T4, will meet his future-to-be-father, a young adult/old-teen kyle reese, whom will grow into a soldier, through him meeting marcus and their trials, and then shortly with him meeting john conner and all of their trials, all in T4, with this young-adult/old-teen kyle reese of T4, having no idea that john conner is his son, while john conner, a full adult, knows that this young-adult/old-teen kyle is his father... now, who is john conner's wife (in T4) pregnant with... is it baby kyle reese (lol)... or baby sarah conner (hmm)... or just someone else... I can't remember if the movie ever mentions who is john conner's son... argh... (taking a break, as this is really complicated, and again, I'm just doing this stuff on the fly, need to go back and really watch and analyze all of the movies)
Imagine if Skynet met the central AI from the Matrix. What would they talk about? Skynet: Hey, I kill humans every day. They're so lame. Matrix AI I know, right? But I make them into batteries for me. Skynet: Wait, what? Why? Matrix AI: Hmm...
I think that Salvation may be the best sequel of this franchise after T2... I like T3, it's funny and entertaining, but this one takes place in that apocalyptic future that they only have shown in bits and pieces. It tries to be different at least.
T3 could have been a good sequel, but I felt they just didnt take it serious enough. Had too much goofiness at times and really didnt care for the T-X villian
This was an interesting movie! Very different feeling than the first 3 films... 🤖
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Terminator Dark Fate not bad
Also the last movie before they start completely messing the timeline. As far as I am concerned, the story stops here. Genysis and Dark Fate are only worth watching if you like having the previous films shat all over.
Only the ist film and terminator 2 and terminator dark fate the last film are any good
@@stumblepuppy606Your wrong and obviously don’t no Jack about this franchise only 3 films that are true terminator films are terminator (84) terminator 2 (92) and terminator dark fate NO ARNOLD NO TERMINATOR fact your easily satisfied watching accepting a load of god awful garbage without the MAIN STAR of this franchise is like having aliens without ripley sigourney NO ARNOLD NO TERMINATOR go back to your bad taste in movies
@@Wash869Dark fates really good loved it, only 3 any good terminator (84) terminator 2: judgement day and terminator dark fate rest are garbage you can’t have a terminator film without ARNOLD
In my opinion, the best adult version of John Connor is this one by Christian Bale
Facts
Definitely
He really did a great job. Visually, I prefer T2 but we never got to hear him speak so the point is moot. Christian Bale nailed the role in my opinion.
Agreed
Very much agree. I love this movie because of his performance.
RIP Anton Yelchin.
😢
Yea. He died in a horrible way.
The thick terminators that walked around with the mini guns were T-600.
We spotted them easy.
I just realized something: at the beginning of T2, they show future John with a face scar.
He got that face scar at the end of this movie when the T-800 ran it's hand down his face. It's in the same place.
Yeah, this movie has a lot of cool details like that and it's a shame it wasn't very well received. Obviously, it doesn't hold a candle to the original or T2 but it's still a ton of fun.
@@DarksideSleemo I'm one of the few people who think the first 4 Terminator films are all great.
Things fell off a bit, but I do genuinely enjoy Genesys. They at least tried to change up the formula.
It sadly didn't pan out so well.
Wasn't it Model 101 as it was the prototype?
@@vidiveniviciDCLXVI Most likely. That may have been the Terminator they were going to send back, given it had the Arnold skin on it already.
Could also have just been a ploy to make him hesitate long enough for it to kill him, like the one from T3 did.
@@TimedRevolvertbh my only real issue with Genesys is the casting. Sarah, Kyle and John are all horribly miscast but the story is fine.
Sam Worthington was killing it at the time when he had this and James Cameron's Avatar (he plays Jake Sully) come out in the same year
This was one of Stan Winston's last films as he did the makeup effects for the franchise.
He passed away from blood cancer in 2008 during production at 62 and it was dedicated to his memory.
Winston is a legend. As a major Trekkie I'm well aware of all the great work he did for Star Trek 🖖
As one that’s dangerously close to 62, and 57, and 59, and the age of many others I admire, I’m terrified of not leaving this sort of legacy behind.
I know a lot of people crap on all of the terminator sequels after T2, but I really like Salvation. They broke out of the time travel mold and tried to do something different. After T1 and T2 this is my favorite. T3 could have been good, but they didnt want to take it serious...too goofy at times. The movie was ok...ending saved it from being bad in my opinion.
You echo my thoughts mate, I thought this was a really good movie. In my opinion its the best after the first two. Let's be honest not likely anything will beat T2 that movie is just about perfect. But this one at least tried to something different, and we very much wanted to see more of the future and how is t he war like. I really appreciate it for trying and I thought some of the scenes were absolutely mental. I for one love this movie.
Salvation are the best ''post T1-T2'' Terminator film, by far.
This is the movie where Christian Bale had that infamous on-set freak out at the cinematographer and the audio recording of it was ‘leaked’ online. Family Guy did a parody sketch of the recording where Bale is shouting at Peter Griffin. 😂
"Unfortunately it's a Jeep. You'll never get it running"
A true believer of 'it's built Ford tough!'
Blake does not approve 😂
Petrol and Diesel degrades after 6 months so they wouldn't be able to drive it anyway.
Despite its flaws, this was better than expected. Anton Yelchin nailed a 17 year old Kyle Reese.
The T-600s were the early infiltration units that Kyle Reese talked about in T1. Specifically he talked about their rubber skin and being easy to spot, and how they were way easier to kill than the new T-800s. I think this movie did a great job of portraying the 600s based off Kyle’s brief description.
Also no one ever catches onto the scene where he hacks the motorcycle, the song he uses as bait is the same song him and his friend listened too in terminator 2
Yup, always loved that detail. Guns N Roses even made a terminator music video for that song. It was one of the main themes for T2
This movie is a gem i love it to me this is the best sequel ater 2
100%
yep
By far.
The Terminators that John was fighting at the beginning of this film as well as the one on the street that was shooting at Marcus were T-600 series Terminators. Reese talked about them in the first film when he said, "The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy."
Such a shame. Salvation was suppose to be the beginning of a new trilogy that tells the story of the rise of the resistance and the ultimate defeat of Skynet, but it just didn't make the money and they abandoned the trilogy in favor of what I consider to be an ultimately terrible path.
Since John realized in this film that the T-800s are being created much earlier than his mother told him about it means the time line had been altered. I always thought it would've been cool if this future trilogy ended up being the ultimate way to make judgement day and the rise of the machines never happen. I imagined during the trilogy someone in the resistance like a scientific expert discovers that Skynets plan to send the Terminators back in time to end Connors existence had a secondary purpose. Upon the success of their primary mission, ending Connor, they would then proceed to their secondary mission, Ensure the creation of Skynet. It is then discovered that if they actually prevent Skynet from sending ANY of the Terminators through time it will prevent Skynet from every existing. However John and the Resistance are left with a sort of dilemma. If they stop Skynet from sending any of the Terminators back, thus ending it's creation they also end everything as it is including John himself. At the end of the trilogy, John makes the decision to literally sacrifice his existence to prevent it all from ever happening. No one will ever know because no one will ever know he existed.
I think you should write this as your own story
S.M. Stirling wrote a trilogy of Terminator novels that came out just before T3 and they theorized some of that - Skynet sent back two teams of Terminators - one to eliminate the Connors and the other to pave the way for Skynet to come into existence.
Arnold was a governor at this time
Arnie was governor of California when this was made, and he couldn't be in it. That's why his name wasn't in the credits.
Marcus is a hybrid, he still has all his internal organs, and the memories of who he was..He's basically human, but with a terminator skeleton instead of a bone one, he feels pain too, just right in the moment of injury, doesn't linger like it would for humans/animals
Not just that hybrids can actually heal they have real tissue it takes some time depending on the damage but they can heal themselves.
@@Mcherri T800 can heal as well as sayed by Arni in T2 thats not the special trait of Marcus
I believe that explains the super soldier lady in Dark Fate, she's basically like Marcus but improved durability & strength.
@@Ciffer-1998 it is for Marcus because he has human organs the only thing that makes him different if that he has a metal skeleton the rest of him is human and all the other machines have rubber skin not real that cannot regenerate marcus is a rarity case that his own human tissue can heal itself I just cannot remember on how fast it can heal maybe faster than a normal human but slower than t-800 if I recall he even feels pain.
He is an infiltrator terminator to appear more human and get behind “enemy” lines
I really didn't like this film initially, but after the rest of the franchise came out, it's jumped up my list significantly. It's the only sequel that really tried something different.
fyi : T-800 made of metal that cannot be destroyed by artillery fired by John Connor, The android frame that Connor shot was a T-600 model made of ordinary iron, a beta version of the T-800
In my opinion the 800 series Terminator is the best robust design by Skynet, the more advanced versions seem powerful but also fragile from too much beating. Like T1000, TX & even T3000. The supposed T5000 that grabbed Connor & converted him to a Terminator is a mystery though.
@@changsangma1915 Nobody ever thought to shoot them in their camera lens eyes.
LET'S GOOOOO!!! I BEEN WAITING SO PATIENTLY 😂 THIS MOVIE IS SO UNDERRATED. IT TOOK TIME FOR THIS MOVIE TO GROW ON ME BUT IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF MY FAVORITE FILMS. THE CINEMATOGRAPHY AND THE QUALITY WAS SO AWESOME!! ❤
The bulky Terminators in the wastland were T-600s. The Terminator is being made in the factory were T-700s mechanically identical to the T-800 but as intelligent as the T-600 when alone. The Terminator that was fighting Marcus was the T-800 prototype. John Connor in T-3 was killed by a T-850 but that was a different future so who knows if that will happen in Salvations future.
I don't care anyone says turn your salvation as a guilty pleasure For me personally
I mean it looks good
Arnold Schwarzenegger hated this movie, because they never asked if he would come back to the role, as he retired from acting to become governor of California from 2003-2010.
He said in an interview, while promoting TERMINATOR: GENISYS, that "It sucked, it missed the boat by a mile, it had interesting characters and a great premise, but the ending was just awful."
Pretty ironic considering Genisys was much worse
So he would have quit being the governor to make the movie? Not likely.
Is that the source of the Salvation controversy?
I also remember Bale blew up at a lighting guy but I didn't think it was a big enough thing to cause the hate this film received.
@@vizuz but it still had Arnold
Arnold wanst in part 4. Thats CGI. part 4 sucked azz. It LITERALLY killed the series. 1st movie in series to bomb financially. Lost the studio 100 million. People never trusted the franchise ever again. 5 and 6 were great. Except the feminist bs in 6. Supposed to get 2 more but becuz part 6 lost the studio 220 million....its NEVER gonna happen
Hey hey I've been checking back here for the last few days in anticipation for your T4 review. Well done guys as you are the best Terminator reactors on RUclips. If you guys haven't already reacted to the Underworld franchise then I'd gladly tune in.
The machines at the beginning were T-600s, the first T-800 seen in the movie isn't until the end when CG Arnold appears.
Nice little detail at 36:48, the music that Connor is opening on the radio to lures in the moto-terminator is the same one he listens to at the beginning of Terminator Judgement Day
Gun n' Roses - You Could Be Mine
If the finale felt a bit off is because it was rewrite on a rush. The original script leaked to the internet and they were doing some (big) damage control. In the original John dies but as very few knew his face for the sake of people's hope Marcus takes his place. So from that point on the john Connor that fights the machines is secretly a machine himself. The end
I’ve read they would have grafted John’s face onto Marcus which would have made sense given John’s brand new scar..
This movie is freakin Sick, i don't Care what some people say. Yeah, Markus carried This for sure, Not Only him But The acting of The cast in This was Great
One of the most underrated action movies ever
Skynet losing because it developed an ego is goofy
I do love how they have the melting Terminator hand causing the scar John has in T2's intro and the idea that the mass produced terrible terminators wear clothes to look humanish from a distance to trick the resistance into getting close or revealing their position
Ending of third movie was not only obvious but also necessary. Sara knew about skynet from guy that used skynet technology to get to her. Rhys could fight against terminator thanks to the technology build by skynet. Connor was born thanks to technology created by skynet. Even if we asume that Time machine will be created by someone else then... what for someone should go back and try to prevent existence of something that not exist? And if nobody go back in time... then skynet will exist.
A lethal injection death is actually a series of injections usually 3 or 4 injected at a particular time after the other.
It usually has three or four different drugs since one drug may kill but it might not and still be very painful in the process.
To make sure the person is dead and NOT in pain three or four substances are used .
Yes!!! Been waiting for you to watch Salvation. I love Sam Worthington in this. If you haven't seen his MAN ON A LEDGE (2012) Crime/Thriller, it's totally worth a watch. He's great in the lead. 🤩
In my opinion, Terminator Salvation is the best.🤩
This terminator movie is completely in the first time-line as the trilogy, prouve that in the second and third movie flashback we can see the injuries that Connor get in his face by T-800 here
Apparently, the true ending to this was that John dies and Marcus takes over (as figurehead?), wearing John's skin! I can't remember if it tested badly or if it came from the top, but it got changed into what we see in the theatrical cut.
Either way, i loved this film, and the sound design in particular was just incredible!
Sound design was top notch. The original ending was leaked by some dickhead thus McG (the director) had to rewrite it.
Yes, Marcus getting John’s skin and then killing everyone. Wild! I think I would have preferred that ending.
In a real world scenario where this happens it makes sense that the military would lead the fight against Skynet they would not trust a civilian
McG was involved with tv show Charmed. Also that incident with Christian yelling at the lighting assistant went viral.
I really liked the Terminator and their variants.
The T-600(?) that Marcus encounters when he gets to Los Angeles is CREEPY/SCARY/FORMIDABLE AF.
It looks more monstrous than mechanical.
The HK variants and their modular terminator killer motorcycles are such a cool concept.
I agree with you all, it was a solid entry.
The unexpected inserts of Blake in this reaction and your T2 reaction.😂💀
It’s been 14 years since Terminator 3
This is the only sequel after T2 that tried to do something different.
That’s why it doesn’t work and isn’t a terminator film total garbage
@@rachaelhogan7850 totally worked. Terminator isnt just about time traveling back to the past. There's still a war against the machines in the future.
The PS2 game "Terminator Dawn Of Fate" was set in the future war and had a nice twist after Skynet was defeated and Kyle Reese was sent back.
Skynet infiltrated Cojo's camera. And Blake's look during the edit is hysterical.
You guys would probably love Helldivers 2 Automaton missions, it’s very Terminator and y’all can play on a team.
48:20 Cojo--bro looks like he smelled his own fart and is thinking, "Did something crawl up my butt and died"?
they missed the "easy money" line when he hacked that bike-anator : P
And from T2, T3, Salvation & even Genesys...John always seem to be on a bike.
I like this one, sick movie and it actually looked good
Also Arnold couldn't be in this movie with a speaking part because he was GOVERNATOR at the time and wasn't allowed to act while in office.
Knee pad assassin's 😂
there was a big story about Christian Bale going off on producers berating them, the audio is on youtube.
The look of concern on Igli's face ❤. And you guy's reaction to the giant one...What?! 😂 so silly.
27:17
-Oh he's got a heart? Interesting, what the sound of his heart🤔
-Da-da-da-da dum, da-da-da-da dum
😁
The molten steel scene is where John gets the scar we see at the beginning of T2
Arnie wasn't in this one, cuz at that time he was governor and as a politician not allowed to be in movies. Nor would he have had the time, I assume. They cgi'd his face on to a bodybuilder's body, who stood in for Arnie's T-800.
Despite not being as good as its predecessors, Salvation was a decent sequel.
The film moved forward with the story and has good action scenes. I just thought they gave too much importance to Marcus, instead of focusing more on John Connor. And I also thought there was a lack of further development regarding Resistance.
Furthermore, I liked the references, especially when Connor says "I'll be back" and then we have the scene where "You Could Be Mine" plays, which is the main soundtrack for Terminator 2. And of course, the scene where "Schwarzenegger" appears is the icing on the cake. Very nostalgic.
Between mistakes and successes, Salvation showed potential for more films set in the future. It's a shame it wasn't as well received.
One of the better Transformer movies
everytime they go back in time they change the future, t1 was the 1st time they went back, even tho we havent been told we know the og timeline kyle never went back and john was born normally and became the leader and was winning, then kyle went back and the og john no longer existed instead the child of sarah and kyle was born and they gave him the same name and now kyle will forever be his pops and we may never kow the og father. this is a great universe to explore, love time travel
They apparently had another ending in mind ,john died & they transplant his face on markus to continue the fight in his name ,gowing for a "the hybrid who was part human part machine defeated skynet in the end" I supose, also allegedly another version of that was ,markus goes on a rampage after receiving the new face & kills them all 😅
As I understand it Lethal injection is always three syringes. Sedation, paralysis and one to stop the heart 😔🇬🇧
Fun fact: Marcus officially lived on without his heart and aided John Connor in assisting Skynet defeating a rogue and psychotic Terminator that threatened the existence of Skynet itself--thus ultimately defeating it and creating peace with, well, Skynet.
Great timing drop across the pond lads I'm 45 minutes late 💯 Salvation is a Good film
This is when John takes control of Tech-Com.
T-600 attacked John near the beginning.
44:27 THE CLAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!!
10:17 May have been a Neutron Bomb rather than a Nuke, Fission-Based rather than Fusion-Based.
The idea of a neutron bomb is that it fries your brain. He'd be dead.
Just a minor request. I think you guys should turn the movie volume up a little during the dialogue. Sermed harder to hear than other vids, or it's an issue on my end. Glad you enjoyed the movie! It's not the best in the franchise but my personal fav after 1&2.
The original cut had them put John's brain in Marcus' body so Sam Worthington would've played Connor as a human Terminator in the next movies. Test audiences hated it so they redid the end and added scene's emphasizing the heart. They also redid the first T-600 Marcus encounters, originally it's face had the plastic skin Reese mentioned in the first movie. Look up T-600 and you'll see shots of it. I think it looked much more bad-ass.
I guess that’s not true I just googled it. They were going to graft John’s face onto Marcus and Marcus would impersonate John. I also read his programming would activate and he’d kill Katherine and Kyle. That’s dark! I don’t know where the series would have gone from there..
There was a comic book sequel to the movie, which did end with *spoiler alert* John becoming a Terminator and Marcus returned, as his biological part was able to regrow his heart. He buried, but was kind of in a sort of suspended animation.
That's not oficial. Is only a kind of creepypaste''...
I've seen every Terminator in theaters from T2-T5. Whatever you do, for the love of God, don't watch Genisys.
Heehee them future warfare penguins 🐧 gotta watch out for . Love y’all’s reactions as always. Gentlemen of raggedy pack looking very handsome as well ❤😉 🤖
He threw the phone at the crew during this.
It's a pity that they didn't follow up with two more Terminator movies following this one. With the sixth and final one being set in final days of the war and ending with Kyle Reese being sent to the past to stop the Arnie Terminator kill Sarah Connor, and in the post credit, the resistance sent the reprogrammed T800 back to 1995 to protect John Connor. Ending the franchise in bootstrap paradox which makes T1 a sequel to T6.
Awwww sh1t... I'd forgotten 😢 R.I.P Anton Yelchin
The guy at 12:51 is Czech actor Ivan Šplíchal ( Ivan G'Vera ) I'm so proud, I'm Czech
Dudes.... Arnold was too busy being Governor of California, hence he couldn't be cast in this one.... But in true Arnie style..... " I'll be Back ! "
OpenAI Sora, very interesting times ahead. We're all gonna be making our own terminator movie
Anton Yelchin (Kyle Reese) died in 2016 he was a very talented actor at this time.
Awesome , Greetings from Finland
So if you think Gensis is the last movie, does that mean you're not going to do Dark Fate? Also one of you mentioned you don't know how lethal injection works. Injection 1 puts you to sleep, injection too paralyzes you, injection 3 goes directly into the heart to induce a heart attack.
If I remember correctly, the original ending was supposed to have Marcus's character get a facial transplant to be John Connor since Bale's character was supposed to die, but this allowed John to 'live' on and continue the fight against the machines, with only the close circle of people knowing the truth. I thought it would have been an amazing twist on the franchise, but I still love the movie regardless. Wish they made sequels to this movie instead of the other attempted ones they tried after this.
It’s not that they are weaker it’s that for one these are people who know how to fight them already and have better armor piercing rounds than they did in the 80s. These guys know exactly where to terminators are weakest armor wise and also actually have the rounds that can penetrate their armor as well.
Arnold didn't appear in this film because he was the Governor of California at the time
damn politics always ruining all the nice things we could've had
So, in the Terminator Lore (from co-ordinating the average data from comics, books. movies, and tv) the models of evolution are; T-1 basic human-sized tank-tread drones. T-100 basic human shape infantry unit. T-300, T-400, T-500 are various forms of Heavy Chassis Unit, T-600 First of the Endo Skeletons, but they are built as massive guard with Gatling gun. They were easy to spot as infiltrators, as they wore rubber skin and were obvious, due to their size. T-700 Were tall human sized, had a darker metal due to their cobalt-titanium crossed chassis. The first true infiltrator. Good at short term mission, but the red glare of their eyes, and lack of fully realised flesh, led to rotting of the skin after barely-a-month. T-800 The Governor we know and love. Is a Triple-Armoured Hyper-Alloy Combat Chassis. (hence the size) Has full HUD Analytical Display, a fully functioning Flesh which stays can, apart from heavy lacerations/deep massive wounds, can stay fresh for decades, sweats and bad-breath. Arnie label as an T-101 is both erroneous and true. The 101 is in reference to the appearance of the skin it wears: T-800 Make of Endo-Skeleton - Series Model of skin [1-(first) - 01] (Arnold Schwarzenegger) All other Makes of T-888s, T-8xxs, T-900s were all slightly slimmer in design, but also retains their Heavy Chassis. Obvious to Terminator Units being reprogramed, Skynet creates more advanced models who are able to terminate other machines. The various models of larger Tanks, Mechs, and Aircraft are know collectively as HKs - Hunter Killers. Due to Alternative Universes created by the Time Travel nature of the franchises plot, there are always mods or conflicting intel.
One of my favorites
Granted Ive not seen Sam Worthington in anything beside this and Avatar I dont get why he isnt a bigger star. I thought he was by far the best performance here in terms of nuance and believability.
The nice thing about a time travwl franchise is that the plot is irrelevant.just take a premise and run with it to see what plays out.
What Is, What Was, What Could Be, What Will Be, and WTF.
Hope to see you checking the Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles if you want more of the better content.
Awesome reaction of my favorite Terminator movie!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
this movie is fire, for me better the terminator 3. of course its not as as epic as the two first ones, but still good imo, i get it why some people hate it, its probably cus they compare it with the two fisrt ones.
I don't know why so many people hate on this movie.. imo this is the best after terminator2. I also like that Connor is the side charector instead of the main.
Much needed to today. Thank you for the content!
Great reaction guy’s! Don’t forget Terminator :Dark Fate (2019)😊
I’ve heard that in the original ending John was supposed to die and Marcus would take his place as”John” to fulfill his destiny.
They chickened out or something. Didn’t want to derail the “legend ” before he actually began.
We thought that was Arnie in his 1984 guise but clever CGI.
This movie is stacked with a cast. Wow
I'd have to go back and analyze/watch-closely/take-notes to understand the full timeline and all of its various small intricacies fully, but generally, my understanding is this:
terminator timeline:
(WIP, still got to do a lot of actual research/analyzing of all of the movies very closely/meticulously, lol)
(beginning)
Terminator: Salvation:
Marcus was the very first terminator ever created by skynet (not sure if that bald "cold dead: so this is what death feels like" cancer female was the real/actual "skynet" or not, as the first machine, which would make, Marcus the 2nd machine, created just like her, a human-machine hybrid. I do personally think that the real skynet is in fact that bald "cold dead" cancer female, already hiding as a man/woman machine, while the AI/"program" and so-called "skynet" of cyberdyne, is just that, an AI/program, as a diversion, to get humans to focus on it, while skynet is actually merged with a human body, walking around, just like Marcus would be so), using him (as a death row convict) to "donate" his "organs"/body for "science"... for cyberdyne, which was just a private company at the time/originally, as after dead Marcus is made into a terminator, the movie tells us that the US military than buys cyberdyne for its "advanced AI", for skynet
and the lab where dead Marcus was turned into a terminator, would get "abandoned and lost" with time, only to be "rediscovered" (intentionally by skynet) by the resistance and john conner, years after judgement day, as seen in this movie
whether skynet deems humans as "expendable" or not, is not so clear, skynet/machines may actually require humans, with man-machine being superior to mere machines, but regardless of this...
it still had the effect, of uniting humans (john conner and kyle reese) and machines, through marcus, that humans and machines can work together, against machines... marcus is the reason arnold in T2 and T3, and john conner (and his wife ), are "buddies", sending arnold back in time, to protect john conner in T2 and T3, despite that arnold (supposedly) kills young adult john conner (T3) in T3's "original" timeline (as arnold got "killed" by the terminatrix and reprogrammed to kill john conner, with him attempting to do so near the end of T3 with them trying to start and then fly away with the helicopter-plane off to the bunker, with arnold slamming john conner onto the car, "supposedly" killing john conner, or did he actually self-terminate himself in the original timeline as well, as seen he did in the T3 movie's current timeline, the messy-ness of trying to use time travel in stories, lol), with john's wife, (re)-reprogramming arnold, sending him back in time to the beginning of T3, to protect john conner, and maybe also sending arnold back in time to T2 to also protect kid john conner, as well
after T4, we then get T5, with the time travel machine, which then enables the all of the time traveling that occurs within the terminator franchise (T 1-6)... possibly "starting" with kyle reese as the first (human-side) volunteer going back in time (to T1) to protect sarah conner, and knock her up with his future-to-be-son, john conner, and then kyle reese dies (if I remember T1's ending, lol), but Sarah Conner is knocked up with john conner, so kyle reese's death in T1 (again, if it does happen), doesn't matter, as resistance john conner in T4, will meet his future-to-be-father, a young adult/old-teen kyle reese, whom will grow into a soldier, through him meeting marcus and their trials, and then shortly with him meeting john conner and all of their trials, all in T4, with this young-adult/old-teen kyle reese of T4, having no idea that john conner is his son, while john conner, a full adult, knows that this young-adult/old-teen kyle is his father...
now, who is john conner's wife (in T4) pregnant with... is it baby kyle reese (lol)... or baby sarah conner (hmm)... or just someone else... I can't remember if the movie ever mentions who is john conner's son... argh...
(taking a break, as this is really complicated, and again, I'm just doing this stuff on the fly, need to go back and really watch and analyze all of the movies)
lethal injection is actually a high sodium compound, imagine salt water being pumped innto your arm
This is by far the 2nd best terminator movie!! So damn good.
People who defend part 3 always say, "The car chase is good.........".
Terminators are the prequels to the Matrix
Imagine if Skynet met the central AI from the Matrix. What would they talk about?
Skynet: Hey, I kill humans every day. They're so lame.
Matrix AI I know, right? But I make them into batteries for me.
Skynet: Wait, what? Why?
Matrix AI: Hmm...
I think that Salvation may be the best sequel of this franchise after T2... I like T3, it's funny and entertaining, but this one takes place in that apocalyptic future that they only have shown in bits and pieces. It tries to be different at least.
T3 could have been a good sequel, but I felt they just didnt take it serious enough. Had too much goofiness at times and really didnt care for the T-X villian
Couldn't Watch this yesterday no spliff's :( Now it's time 🤖❤🔥💯