Does Your Quad Have the Death Wobble?!
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- I dig into the problem my 1999 Honda 400ex is having.The death wobble is horrible on this quad. Let's fix it. #Honda,#Wheelwobble, #Sketchy,
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It looks like the aarm lower balljoints .it looks like it could definitely be tierods
Ur best bet is to do the aarms too think wat yr that is those r the original aarms i have the same problem with my 01 400ex it is probably a combo between those
I think running them at like 12 to 15 PSI is much safer. Just saying
My warrior is faster
Wheel bearings
When you wiggled the right side tire and moved a lot, could be your ball joints are worn out. I would look into replacing those
It’s the ball joints I could see them move when you shook the tire
Don't just look at the tires for alignment. Measure them, you should have a slightly toe in measurement. If 1 tire is straight but the other is maybe a inch in you will have a wobble. Reset the rods to have an equal measurement on the front center and after center of the tires. From there, do you toe in. Only do half adjustment per tire due to having to do the same on the other side to match it. Its a little tedious but it may help you.
i agree, i thjink its out of alignment
@@slimsqde7397 yea. did you see the bent tie rod. lol
@@Inkedup128 yea it was bad
Ok Joe. Quick tests to perform.. this is for cars or atv’s, go carts, whatever has independent front suspension.. jack up the front end, grab the wheel top to bottom and wiggle; this is balljoint test. Then grab wheel on left and right sides; this is your tie rod test. You look at your suspension components as you do this test. If there is play, there is your culprit! A bad wheel bearing will be evident in both tests.. this isn’t always full proof but for simple design suspension like the one you are dealing with it will give you loads of info!! Best of luck! Keep wrenching brother!! 🤙
Front end has multiple issues
Wheel bearings probably on the way out
Bent tie rod can put alignment out
And worn shocks really amplify the problem
Fix remedy those three and I’ll bet you ain’t got the DTs after that
Spot on bud 🤘🔥
Wheel bearings, rod ends, alignment. Shocks and shock bumshings usually dont cause much of an issue. Small movements by hand translate to big movements while riding. Get a low pressure gauge and dial the air pressure in especially on the rear or one side will push. Like I said small things have a big impact
I'm having same issue on my 1988 Honda FourTrax 250X I know this video is old but I replaced wheel bearings and am still having the same wheel wobble I noticed the a-arm bushings seemed a little sloppy but if you figured out what this issue is please tell me so I could try and get my problem solved also thank you
Wondering if you have another quad in the garage you could swap front tires with same bolt pattern to see if wobble goes away ??
Tie rods steering stem bearings also ball joints bushings in the a arms.
dwalker2431 yeah it would be nice to get a look at that lower steering stem bearing. He didn’t give us a good look at that.
I seen play in steering stem . and ball joints wheel bearings
Good call
TIRES. Dude someone put fix a flat in it and it sat for a long time and it hardend and settled to one side. Spend 80 bucks on GBC 22x7-10 tires for the front. and that will fix it. If not you need new tires anyways... GBC xc masters are awesome tires for cheap on amazon.
@Pack Money yes. However atv tires Dont need to be balanced that im aware. However sometimes they can get flat spots from sitting and fix a flat turned into a small puddle sitting to one side of the tire. Then the tire will wobble at high speeds. NEW TIRES will fix it.
Go with the sunf’s 100 bucks for 2. 6ply
@@jordanseger both are good but I have ran my gbc xc Masters all summer and they look brand new. Awesome tires. And walker Fowler runs them. guys the ultimate test for tires.
But I thought the point of Joes channel is to show that you can get a quad or bike cheap and fix what you need and flip it. I don't think wants to start throwing things on it if he's not sure if it needs it. But you never know. Tires could have something on them, especially with them being OEM (Especially 20 year old tires)
I was gonna say the same thing
Death wobble can be caused by either the upper/lower ball joints Or tie rod ends and connection at the steering shaft and wheel bearing preload.
I have a 99 honda too. It smokes also but not as bad as yours was. Mine also wobbles some too. But not bad as yours. Im probably going to have to do the same things soon that you are doing. Love the chanel it has helped me alot. Thanks
Joe if you have an extra set of front wheels/tires from your stash throw the on....my bet is a bent wheel or fix a flat or tires have flat spots from sitting.....keep up the great work brother 👍👍👍
Right front had slop in lower ball joint. And both bearings could use new bearings. Then check the toe in should be about half inch less from tire to tire in front then back side of tires. Center handle bars and adjust tie rods
Part of the issue is you need to Do an alignment on it. Set the handel bars straight and measure from the outside of the left front to the outside of the right front. Do that on the rear of the tires and front. Once you get the back and front to the same measurement, set the front a touch in. Also the wheel bearing are part of the issue too
It’s your rims I’m having the same problem with my 700 raptor!
Is say it's the tires since you lowers the pressure and it made a diffrence oh and wheel bearings.
Good. Luck Joe
I had the same issue with mine and I added about a cup of antifreeze used in tractors to both front tires and it stopped the wobble
Would love to see you rehab a Raptor 660. They were only made from 2001 to 2005. Dual carb torque BEASTS.
I had the same problem with my 400ex one of the rims were bent causing it to shake
Wobble can also be from wheel slime in tires. Take out valve stems to see if slime in front tires
Also I would check to make sure the front rotors isn't warped or maybe a rim. Thanks for the video.
Alignment and shock sag height and tie rod ends being loose or bad bushings is what I ran into when I was racing but a wheel bearing could be bad
Wheel bearings upper/lower ball joints Or inner/outer tie rod ends possible control arm bushings
Can you do a poping wheels video were u do it sitting down and in which gear you do it on btw I love your vids I have the same quod as you
No death wobble from my ATC 250R
Its funny how my 34 year old fourtrax which is more clapped than his quad doesnt wobble either😂😂
ahahahha that is already a death machine
To check your a arm bushings you have to unbolt the shock or use a prybar, even if there is a worn bushing you wont feel it by just shaking it a bit with your and with the shock pushing against it
To do an easy alignment. Strighten handle bars measure the distance between the center treads with a tape measure. Then measure 180 degrees away on the back side. They should be pretty close if not your alignment is off. Definitely replace those wheel bearings and like another comment said it could have fix a flat or slime in the tires thatd definitely cause an issue. You can get new tires pretty cheap on ebay for like 80$ a set if you want something decent.
It could be unbalanced wheels or bent rims i had one bent rim on my ltz400 and it was doing the same exact thing
Great vid!
Hi i just look your video and im a mecanics jack stand your front suspension and check if your wheel is bent or maybe water in it and check if your axel is bent too
Chech the (tie rod ends) joints on the front upper and lower (tie rod ends) joints i had the same problem, i replaced the (tie rod ends) joints and the wobble was gone, also re alaign the steering otherwise the joints will break down soon again. Greetings from the Netherlands p.s. a car uses almost the same technique. Good luck
Awaiting front shocks for a 400 Polaris does same thing worn empty stock oil shocks finished off by previous owner
Awesome video man
Usually wheel bearings are more likely to cause drag. If the shocks are worn out, it will combine with that problem.
Check for actual wheel warp vertical wise, ive seen it cause stuff like this, also can adjust the tie rods
Have you tried looking at your axle to see if it was bent u whould the the wobble form the back
Rear axle bent? Any of the wheels bent? Lift the rear and run it, to check.
Might need a lower steering stem bearing replacement or tie rod ends replaced
Maybe the tire or tires are off balanced enough to do it or a bent rim?
What if my motor shaking when I drive it ?? It jerks hard til where the chain keep popping any idea
Great comments today!!! Also make sure the rims arent bent! To bend a tierod like that, had to be a big crash! 😆👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍also- u have spare rims- try them!
That little bit of wheel play will magnify at high speed an also an check the steering bushings. If you havent already. An weld a sleeve over the stock tie rods thats what i did when i had mine found a pipe just bigger then it an slid it over an welded the ends. Nice job tho.
Leave it on the ground and and turn the handle bars back and forth just a little bit to see if their is any play in the steering, if you can wiggle the bars back and forth a little bit without the wheels moving it could be something with the steering.
Imma take a wild guess so it might be the wheel bearings need to be replaced and you might need a wheel alignment i crashed my outlaw and the same thing happened i needed wheel bearings and an alignment dont know if this will help in anyway but even after fixing my bike its got a little death wobble
Buy the tire pressure gauge by tusk the one I got is $17.99 and there’s a cheaper one without the hose thing for $11.99. Well worth it.
I'd just freshen up the front end with new bearings and ball joints, I really wonder what kind of damage the ball joints took after a hit hard enough to bend a tie rod.
Change the wheel bearings also but there's more to it.
Check if wheels and hubs are tight then check the a arms ball joints if they have play side to side you need new a arm ends and check tie rods if they are tight and if they don't have any play on side to side too if the tie rods are bent it the worst possible steering
If your planning on keeping it I would order some used TRX450 shocks makes a big difference
I would check to see if the wheels are not bent. Balance the tire and wheels. Check ball joints. You’re good at fixing stuff and I’m sure you’ll figure this problem out. You have that quad running good bud
Replace wheel bearings and take off the tire and shock and check a arm bushings real good it also maybe a possibility a rim has a bend in it
Looks like the upper and lower ball joints on the Aarms and tie rod ends
Forgive me if I am wrong here but do you think when you have a problem with the front end that you cannot diagnose you might suspend the wheelies. That's a lot of force slamming on the ground with two atv tires and all that weight on the front end.
The slightest amount of play will cause the wheels to wobble. It is those wheel bearings for sure. I have also noticed the big nut holding the hubs loose likes to come loose as well
what go pro are you using?
I think a repair manual should be bought if you want to keep this one. And second I would check every fastener on that front end. Also take the front end apart piece by piece and inspect/lube/tighten back to spec. Didn't a few of the older Honda quads have a steering dampner up on the steering stem ? Just below the handlebars hidden under the plastics? And if all else fells Joe, Sell the thing to me. Im sure I would have fun figuring it out. BBBrrraaappppp !!!..
Same way you move top to bottom to check the wheel bearing, go left to right to ✔ tie rods
Could also be the wheel bracket bushings? Alot of the parts have rubber bushings that wear and have slop and squeaking noises
Do a front end alignment mess with the tie rods toe it in or out.
I run 4 rear 5 front for casual trail riding and a little mud
Could it be the Springs ( One more compressed more than the other ? Just a thought )
Also out of Balanced wheels
your front u shafts where its attached to the body theres 2 bearings on each side watch if those r ok
Check the bushings in the a arms and upper and lower ball joints
That quad is almost mint, besides the seat cover and pipes. Awesome
Hey Joe, Cycle Needs Chris here.. you can definitely tell the alignment is off on that left side cause as you saw, it was bent. Replace that tie rod and your bearings and you should be ready to rock..
Hey Chris I ordered to bearings and I'm going to do an alignment tomorrow! Hoping that will fix it!
Yeah the bearings should definitely fix it..
or wcth if ur tires are the right size for your rim cause if the tire is wobbly on the rim that may causy the broblem
Could be the bushings in the a arms or tyrods or wheelbearings
Even the small movement could cause it it’s the clicking sound that will tell if the bearings gone in it Wich I heard on clutch side
I have the same 400ex and I had a professional look at mine and he told me the bushing need to be replaced but they will eventually get worse
bent tie rod is extremely common on 400ex's not usually the problem ball joints, wheel bearings and tie rod ends are most likely your problem ive had 5 of them and the only one had a death wobble and it was tie rod ends and all 5 had bent tie rods i aligned them and were completely fine
No death wobble in the front, but I did find out I bent my axle today 😑
Something is probably loose with the steering. If your steering has anything play when you turn side to side that could be causing the wobble.
Front end alignment and those bearings.
Check steering stem bushing and steering stem bearing but most likely it's going to be alignment issue check toe in.
Could be a bent rim try swapping out the tires if all else fails. When you jack it up spin the tires and look at them see if they have a wobble
I have the exact same quod ass you and I cant pop wheeles sitting down so can u do a wheele video and in what gear you do it on
Try a arm bushings that was the problem on mine. Good luck
Check and make sure the hub is tight as well as the tire rods
If the wheel bearings arent it its 100% toe in of your driving and pull the handle bars to one side amd they just wobble harder and harder back and forth its the toe on the tires
Raptor 700R?????
Well you tried anyways. Hopefully it just is the bearings. I've seen others saying loose tie rods or something 🤔 too... Keep us posted. Do you still have the Polaris 400? You and Chuck should race that and this when she's all better...
make sure when u jack it up u put a piece of wood or something so it doesn’t roll backwards
If he would have put it in gear it would not roll as well.
Working on the same problem same machine it’s better just upgrading to the full flight a arm upgrade I notice these machines are so common to find that always run amazing but I’m my experience it’s about the width and since these machines are always popping on two wheels every gear the front tires just take a beating a better softer landing and rebounding on that front end and there just over the best quad built
Did you check the ball joints?
The alignment does look off and maybe adjust the tie rods
That seems like the castle nut needs to be torqued down on the wheel hubs
Do all the front bushings and besrings
This may sound stupid but have chuck sit on the front of the bike to weight it down. Don’t go crazy but that will let you know if it’s the shocks hard to explain
Quad looks mint the seat makes it look bad
I have a 2002 400ex and I have put three cams in it from doing wheelies it starves the top of the motor for oil
Its the tie rod when it’s in the air they are straight when u sit on it they are supposed to toe out the bike squats when u sit and the alignment changes
I had twist throttle one mine it was the yellow one though idk if there different at all but I had a bent front wheel and it still rode ok
They didn't come with a twist throttle from factory. Color meant nothing.
I was gonna make the same comment but didn’t cuz I realized this is 2 yr old video and I’m sure u know all that stuff.thanks for pointing that out too.
Mines got a similar wobble but mines all wheel drive so I think that has something to do with it .I’ve never felt that on any 2wd quad
tie rods wheel bearings and looked like the ball joints moved a little jack up again use a long bar or 2x4 and pry up and down on the tire see if the ball joints move
Dude don’t forget when doing wheelies your rear break is your best friend!
You have a bent rim bud, or bent axel, jack it up and start it put in 3rd or 3th gear and let the rear spin in air, and see if the axel or rim is bent, if not check the front
Been sayinng this since he first rode qaud i was right sgain track rod or tie rod ends however u wanna call them but over steering stem bearings etc
I would say it looks like your tie rods ends. And for the wheelies you need to keep you rpms lower get to your balance point sooner and switch to the next gear.
I had a terrible death wobble that turned out to be old slime someone put in the rear tires. It got hard and stayed on one side of the tire and made it shake violently!