@@bjs301 the less I know the more I understand. The more its snows the more it rains. The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain bagels with cream cheese and smoked salmon.
I thought everything he said was absolute horsesh!t if I'm going to be completely honest with everyone, same with Rogan. They're literally talking about nothing and if you think for a second that taking Psychedelics is going to enhance your consciousness or bring you closer to a "divine presence" then you need to do some serious soul-searching. I'm not saying you think this way but Rogan and a lot of his fans do and it baffles me. You don't need any drugs to enhance your consciousness and it sure as sh!t won't bring you closer to God, maybe Satan, but definitely not God. If anything, it separates you from our Lord even further and that's exactly what the Devil wants to do on this planet.
@@christservant2464 if you haven't figured it out yet, Joe and probably 99% of his viewers and guests are not religious. When they speak of spiritual experiences they don't mean divine. It is simply the best phrasing to try and explain it.
@@Voidova Rogan and most people are on this 'New Age' religious tip, my Brother. Everything to them is smoking DMT and realizing that "eVeRyThInG iS eNeRgY mAAAAAAN" or that we're living in a simulation..
It’s genuinely astounding that Joe “Don’t listen to me... I’m an idiot” Rogan can not only keep, but progress these conversations with such great minds
at this point he's had years of listening to people that are smarter than him. the mind if very flexible. even if he was average intelligence to start with, the years of tutoring he's received has made him smarter and given him a broader view on life/reality.
My recovery journey was greatly enhanced by the therapeutic benefits of DMT. Other psychedelics like psilocybin and LSD have also proven to be remarkable.
I once had an experience, can totally be put away for the fact that I did psychedelics, but it felt so real to me...to this day I cannot put into words how this affected me. To be concise, I took some acid and fell very deep into some otherworldly dimension and found my bf, who at the time was struggling with a heroin addiction. He had moved away to deal with it, and I live in Hawaii. He was across the sea in the continental us. I met him in this other world, and told me he needed help...like he straight told me he was dying. I was frying balls and my friends we're trying to calm me down...I snapped out of this and told everyone around me, that he was dying. I told them we needed to go to California and help him. They comforted me and told me everything was okay...I was just tripping. Fair enough. The next day, we found out he od'd and had passed away. I'll never forget my friend tripping out and telling me how crazy that was. I was an atheist then as well. No more. I don't adhere to established religions, but I do believe theres something greater we dont know about. This isn't some comment to change your mind, just something that did happen to me. I also still don't believe in ghosts. But I believe my friend came to me and asked for helped. Makes me wish I could've done more...
Sorry to hear about your bf, may he rest in peace. What a mindblowing thing to experience, it could be anything from your fears of him manifesting themselves to you actually accessing some higher plane of consciousness where you could still communicate w him. Psychedelics are some next level shit, I’ve experienced telepathy on shrooms but thats as wild as my experiences have gotten.
Thats is absolutely breathtakingly powerful, im so sorry for your loss. I can agree with you spirtual awakening though. I've been out of my mind in a manic episode because of a sociopath that abused me. The man she killed before me possessed me and we wrote an email telling her she is killing men. Ever since then I've been awakened to the spiritual nature of our world. I talk about it on my channel if you're interested. Consciousness is fascinating.
Somebody may try to explain it away as your intuition that came to you during a trip, in the form of your bf. No real vision or external communication. It's all just your subconscious thoughts. But then how do you account for the timing? They'd probably say, "well you do drugs a lot, he does drugs a lot. The timing was coincidence". The problem is that these observations aren't necessarily connected themselves and are individual refutes of a various components of a subjective experience. Therefore they don't form a concise, logical flow. If this explanation were the case, you'd have tried to stop him long before in an earlier trip, or had "vision trips" long after he passed, but before finding out his passing. I've personally had "otherworldly" experiences that make you question reality itself, without drugs or illicit substances. I can't say if what you experienced is real, but I understand how these profound experiences affect you more than anything else.
This guys is wrong on so many issues...I really didn't like it.He is no scientist just a savy writer.Would love for Joe to get actual scientists on the show not pple trying to promote their fucking book
@@Ontime2day With a good vocabulary ? If that's all one gets one is royally ripped off. Or "Gypped" as one used to say. I believe that terminology has fallen out of favour with the common folk these days though so I shall obstain from using it once more. *Tips hat and briskly walks in the opposite direction your body mass was heading* After a few steps ' *mumbles* Gremuphh grahhh grrrr fuc k gah . stupid .... fugrghmph. FUCK.
"Your mind is like this water my friend. When agitated it becomes difficult to see. But if you allow it to settle, the answer becomes clear" -turtle from a kids movie
10:55 his trip was his mind trying to tell him he is sick of the monotony of creating theories in his head, destroying them and then reforming new ones and repeating.
This! I don't know of the monotony, but yeah, since Brian Greene is a theorist, that was the brain way to show his theories and ideas being destroyed while he creates new ones, because that's basically his life; in other words, it was point him in contact with himself. And psychedelics have nothing to do with consciousness, they have to do with dreams, dreaming while awake. And if nightmares are a way to reveal emotional disturbances, now imagine that while being awake, that's what is called a bad trip.
i was looking for this comment. I cannot disagree with him in any of what he is saying. He is right: Psychedelic substances are nothing but chemicals that alter our brains. However, i cannot help but think that he is restrained. He is unable to realize that though chemicals may cause it, it is much more profound than that. He even had it in front of him and didn’t realize it. His trip was literally about it.
Exactly what came to mind when he explained this. Perhaps he’ll still realize at some point; I doubt he’ll be forgetting the experience anytime soon. I still get realizations about trips that I had years ago.
Poor guy has an experience in a terrible setting with no understanding of the sacredness, for lack of a better word, involved with those experiences. Now he’s probably turned off them for life. If we as a society can get more of our greatest thinkers to experience more spiritually enlightening hallucinogenic experiences, then we could probably figure out a bunch more about where our understanding of physics is not all the way there.
@@OmniscientSlothExactly. When I think about how in older cultures they ingrained these chemicals into loving and accepting practices and rituals, it makes me believe they were much more advanced as a society than us. I imagine had he taken it in a better set and setting, and knew exactly what he was doing (chemical wise), he couldve gone in with a better mindset and come out with one as well. His story sounded like it was something he did impromptu and in a new setting (At a hotel??). Sad that he had a rough enough experience to not investigate further.
Definitely not in orlando FL just waiting for someone to DM me some DMT as a matter of fact DMT stands for Direct Message Transmission dont mind us fbi man
@@nopenoway9875 some are identical do the research yourself just find 2 people from different parts of the world review a dmt trip on RUclips and they'll be fairly similar but most of them talk of wizards and doorways to other places but then theres stuff like lsd that's not so much different realm stuff it can send you on mad trips but its more colours and just distorting your perception, but people who take the same physcadelic normally describe seeing the same things
@Alpha Centauri "...to embrace other dimensions through drugs." I don't know, that's honestly tough to say. It is the human mind that developed the ability to work it out theoretically. If it could do that why couldn't the mind "embrace" it another way? Also I'm calling Greene a liar about the whole "shrooms in Amsterdam" story. Plus Joe could fuck somebody up.
"The moon is a base projecting a simulation into our minds, run by the reptilians" -David Icke. The guy could compasses point north and i would have to check.
You know what's insane, Brian Greene has a PBS special about quantum mechanics, and there's this scene where Brian is in a "quantum bar" and converses with other versions of himself.
I love that Joe gets to interview these highly scholar people to ask the questions that we all have. Not that they know everything but at least to have a perspective that isn't just our own thoughts or experiences.
Welcome to the collective subconcious of particle physics. I like this dudes train of thought and stance on no position. This is the type of mentality required to gather a collection of usefull knowledge. This why practicing arguing both sides of a subject is important. The bigger the perspective the better the understanding.
12:40 I thought this during my first few trips too. We seem to think that reality is exactly as we perceive it sober, but psychedelics show you that you can have many different opinions and perceive things differently depending on your state of mind.
2:33 I started believing something like this after an lsd trip. Almost exactly the way he describes it. It just takes a sufficiently complex system for it to be expressed like it is now. And looking forward, you could create a novel, artificial organ giving yourself another sense, and that extra data will make you think/exist different, it's another layer of complexity
the answer is in front of everyone's eyes already, and it's been there since forever, truth is radical and unexpected, you will never reach truth by holding on to beliefs
Psychedelic’s definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it’s just so hard to source here
Psychedelics are the reason why i didn’t take my life when i was at my end. I was stripped of my ego and saw the beauty of life and interconnectivity and even though i still battle anxiety and depression, I’m doing better everyday and will never think in such a self destructive way again.
LSD and mushrooms completely changed my whole outlook on life. I became a better version of myself This experience gave me a lot of confidence about my self and my body. A bunch of bad thought / behavior patterns were broken. One of these was pretty bad OCD that made me wash my hands a lot. It gave me a lot of hope that things will be fine, this is the one thing that I heard throughout the trip: Everything is alright. The main reason for the trip was my severe depression and it definitely helped me (although it's not gone). Before all I could do was lay in bed. Now I am trying to rebuild my life one step at a time which wasn't possible before."
When Brian Greene talks about particles imbued with consciousness, he's speaking directly to the hypothesis put forth by Donald Hoffman in his book "The Case Against Reality". I highly recommend it! Not saying I agree with his hypothesis, but it's a thought-provoking read, and if you enjoyed the topic Rogan and Greene talked about here, you might enjoy this book.
Still one of my favorite JRE clips ever. This is why I started paying attention to his show. I wish he'd go back to guests and conversations like this with interesting and super-educated people.
I agree with basically everything this guest is saying. He’s not making any unexplained leaps of faith he is just interpreting the evidence with as little assumption as possible.
It seems Greene’s understanding of consciousness is a bit premature. To think that his “consciousness” was temporarily modified as a result of the drugs and so it must just be a chemical reaction that’s constantly occurring does seem very fitting for the times... however wouldn’t the “awareness” of what is going on within all of these different states truly be consciousness happening through him? It’s hard to get to the source, but the awareness of all of it in every moment is consciousness, and that was consistent rather he be sober or hallucinating, etc.
The question is - what is going on? If you don't know the answer to that question, you can't be aware of it. But can you just claim to know what's going on, and have confidence enough to believe that claim is the truth without evidence? Does anyone know? Maybe consciousness doesn't even exist. It seems to be some philosophical term at this point, or an "add your preferred definition here" type of thing.
@@PlumbDrumb I think both are true. On the material plane it's just electrical signals being altered by drugs, yet on the non material plane it's the one eternal mind remembering it is all a dream.
3:20 It only seems fantastical because materialism has been an axiom of science ever since it separated itself from philosophy a few hundred years ago. The problem is not that science cannot explain consciousness, the problem is that science does not acknowledge its existance as a subjective reality but rather tries to correlate it to objective patterns of matter.
Adam W. just know that all “logic” depends on what we think we know already. if what we think we know ever collapses or changes (which it has many times in the past), “logic” will also change or collapse.
based inner child, it makes sense that our logic would change. As we learn more about the universe, our labels change with it. Logic should reflect our experience with the world.
@@adamx9793 *Logic should reflect our experience with the world.* sure thing. the conflict arises when some people are having experiences with the world that are very different from other peoples' lol. for example, a monk who's meditated for 10,000 hours and broken through the illusion of a personal self, is having a profoundly different experience of the world than the average joe - even the average "brilliant scientist" joe. but it's not so easy to put that kind of experience into numbers and data points like the modern scientific method is limited to. there are biases that can exist fundamentally as a result of the lens we are using to explore the question - in this case a lens that is conditioned to define reality by numbers, calculations, and measurable objects.
Yep that's how the mind works Instead of rambling if they just sat there and meditated they'd get a direct answer Better yet be in a natural environment and meditate Until your consciousness levels rise. You'll notice you go beyond the mind. The mind will be "below" you in a sense or way looking at it Consciousness cannot be explained through limited words and language Its all just limited pointers to the actual thing Thats why God cannot be "put in a box" and labeled and understood by the mind Its way more vast and beyond the mind Reality can't be contained in a mind. All of our minds are happening in consciousness
3:39 “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” (Gen 2:7)
There are two major flaws in our consciousness. We have an innate duality within our psyche that is built by the conscious and subconscious aspects of our mind. The conscious aspect can be so extremely intelligent despite all things; performing complex equations and observations. However, when forming large-scale understandings of complex concepts our conscious mind is fed information by the subconscious mind. (This is where the first flaw lies). The subconscious mind will go to just about any lengths to align new information with old information. It will twist and ignore information if it doesn't align with the current status quo of belief and understanding (This is how people maintain absurd world-views despite all disproving evidence). Furthermore, the same instinctual mechanisms that allowed us to survive as a more primitive species are still fully functional in the subconscious mind. It drives us to fear things we don't understand, seek a sense of purpose within our community, procreate, and consume - all things that helped our ancestors survive. We live in a modern world built by the intelligent conscious minds of the smarted and most driven members of our species but the instinct-driven, information-twisting subconscious is at odds with this world. None of its mechanisms are serving their initial function in this new world. And because of this, we constantly feel the dissonance between our intelligent conscious minds and our primitive subconscious minds. Suicide rates are higher than ever and the whole world is heating up due to our negligence. The only way out of this situation is for our brains, and our minds, to evolve away from these primitive mechanisms. But evolution is slower than human development and can't catch up. There probably isn't a happy ending in sight for the human species and Earth as we know it today.
@@thomasstorey4480 I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said, but with development of the conscious mind there is also a decline in the feelings like happines or even sadness we are able to feel because all of them are felt through the subconscious mind. We are literally turning into machines which is terrifying. That's also why there has never been such a large scale of people with mental health problems. (The fight between the subconscious and conscious mind)
Thomas Storey you’re right in some areas but overall wrong. there IS a way for us to “break free” from what you call the primitive subconscious mind. it’s called waking up, awakening, enlightenment, there are many words for it, and some misconceptions about it. but its REAL. and it’s what happens when a human being discovers a state of awareness that ISN’T ruled by the impulses of their animal brain or their conditioned thought patterns. when someone takes psychedelics (and doesn’t have a “bad trip”) they’re able to experience this open awareness where they feel utterly expansive and no longer bound to whatever their problems, worries, or biases were previously, in addition to whatever more subtle layers of conditioning were controlling their perceptions. hatred and judgment and insensitivity dissolve, and bliss and connection become pervasive in one’s experience. look up “loch kelly” on youtube, he guides people to it through a series of awareness exercises. of course eckhart tolle and many other teachers (many who teach traditional meditation) talk about it too and try to help people access it and live from within that state of being. but its REAL and it turns pretty much all your predictions and analyses on their head. it’s the trump card that changes everything.
I see why he objects to the second theory because that is like saying a block of silver has the potential to have Consciousness if we rearranged or added electrons , protons , ect. Just an example .
how do you know it doesn’t already have consciousness? fyi consciousness isn’t the same as thoughts and emotions. those things can arise WITHIN consciousness. but they aren’t consciousness itself. something can be conscious and not have any thoughts. so people like me and aaron aren’t suggesting that rocks might be thinking and feeling human emotions.
I feel like, asking how all the individual biological component in our body could produce conciusness is like asking how could 0 and 1 do complex calculation and display this video on my phones. At some point i feel like if you add enaugh simplicity you get complexity. But that's just how i feel.
Psychedelics may alter experience, but it doesn't alter the consciousness. The awareness of which experience is seen from. I think many people often forget that consciousness remains constant through out all our lives, regardless if we have memory loss, trauma, intoxicated states. Those render our ability of experience to change, but he consciousness behind those experiences remain untouched....maybe
You should have asked him how consciousness can be produced in the brain when there are people experiencing trauma and suddenly become experts in playing piano, even though they never touched a piano before. That is a clear sign that consciousness is universal. There have been also done experiments where meditators impact electrons in another room just by thinking about them, a study that has been done multiple times with same results.
@@Sploshification There are countless videos/ mini documentaries showing people going through a horrible accident/ near death experience/ etc. and experiencing this
wow 420blazeitm8 it’s simple, dopamine. But I smoke weed because I like the way I think and feel when I do. I also use it to recover from working out I’m never sore ;)
@@brotothewilliams9890 I was about to say something relative to what you did. Going into the Void/Afterlife is the merging of the spirit into the great big beyond. Once you die, your human consciousness fails to exist. So how can you have peace if you can't fully embrace the human experience of consciousness anymore?
@@jjmiles7173 There's no conciousness after death so we feel literally nothing. Nothing isn't even a feeling or thing to experience because once you've experienced nothing then you've experienced something. It's as hard to wrap brain around as infinity it seems
Light is energy... The more energy.. the more movement..more conciousness... Through meditating and other techniques such as taking psilocybin... One engages in quantum entanglement .. becoming more aware of how the universe works...
Interesting stuff. My thoughts just were the same in consciousness until I stumbled onto this swiss cardiologist who did this study on "dead" people. Perople who died and their brain eeg went flat but came back to life. A lot of them experienced the so called near death experience and talked about beeing at some bright place, understanding everything, beeing without time and seeing their whole life in an instant, communicating to some beeings... Theory says there shouldn´t be anything to "see" when your brain ist quasi dead. The doctors theory is, that your brain is just a receiver for consciousness and tunes into it. It is all over the place and universe. Would´t that be fantastic? Means, that even not believing in god would not be the end. And if one thinks about all the unlikeliness of atoms building structures and systems and a brain that thinks about its "substructures" itself is kind of crazy. When atoms forming a brain means consciousnesses it also implicates that if atoms come together in a certain complexity there should be consciousnesses all over the universe.
Sounds like it would be fantastic but without any testing of this idea it remains completely unfounded and in the realm of wishful thinking imposed on things we don't understand. There is a desperation in humans to make magic anything that isn't easily understood. I think this cardiologists lack of understanding isn't proof of understanding.
@@rraptor158 Sorry, the guy is from the netherlands and not switzerland. They published his paper in The Lancet. Near death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest... If you listen to some of his interviews you realize that he is a sane man and that there is this phenomenon.
Sam Parnia's findings are also very interesting. So there is scientific evidence that a stopped heart produces higher states of consciousness. The sceptics say this rather than the other people. The debate now is whether a stopped heart means you are dead. But the higher awareness when the heart is stopped is not even debated now. Odd but there.
Sounds like a high plateau DXM experience. I think its quite possible the typical white light experience is just a result of your sensory input being cut off and your brain "filling in" the missing information with essentially peaceful white noise.
@Natasha Tomlinson I have no idea what this guy did or didn't consider previous to forming his own theory. Your aggression to an idea different than your own on this topic is flat out weird.
It’s so funny that joe asks Brian if he had any psychedelic experiences and he says yes, joes face lights up, then Brian proceeds to talk about hitting a joint for the first time 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lots of people in the comments saying that we are not our mind, I couldn't agree more. Picture this: Me, 2 tabs, alone in my house on a summer night. About 11:30, half an hour before peak for me, I took a walk. I live next to a golf course that is closed, so I treat it like my own private park even though it isn't mine. Past the golf course there's a little canoe launch at the most beautiful lake I know, with the clearest, cleanest water I've ever seen. I took my things (clothes, phone, light just in case but the moon was out) and walked from my house. As I left my house, I became aware of how it is part of my identity. Leave my yard onto the golf course, I leave my property. Leave the golf course, I leave behind the place I feel is mine. These places are not me, but part of what I see myself as. Arrive at the lake, strip naked, leaving all my things behind. It is exactly midnight. I go into the clear water and float submerged, with every part of my body in the water, no part of it touching anything else. This moment is the exact peak, I can feel it. The things I left on shore are not me, but they are representative of me. My "original Maine party animal" moose shirt is part of my identity and used to identify me, same as my face is if you know me. My phone is exclusively mine, my shoes are as well. Others have things like these, but these specific items are only mine. They are not, however, me. In the water, I realized I had nothing left to take off, but I was not at the most basic level of self. I am not my body. Amputate a leg, I remain me. The closest thing to me is my brain, but even that is not me, I could feel it. My car has an ECU, a computer that regulates all sorts of things within the engine and within the vehicle as a whole. In order for that car to move, there has to be someone in the drivers seat turning the key, moving the wheel, pushing the clutch, etc. The brain is to us as the ECU is to a car. Something deeper is piloting our body, and that something is what we truly are. To put this analogy into perspective, let's say you were in a car from the day you were born until the day you die. There is no survivable way out of this car, so your whole life is spent within it. In this situation, the car is part of you because you cannot exist without it. The question is; are you the car, or are you the driver?
Joe is really leveling up as far as speaking eloquently on the topics which each guest in this field. I think he's preparing for a final showdown with the big boss Neil DT.
The problem with Greene's view comes with looking at the lack of consciousness. There are states where a brain is functioning perfectly but the person is vegetative - no person there. When you sleep, then awake, you have a sense of time passage and continuety. When you go under sedation, then come out, you have a loss of time. While you were under, your brain functioned, and all the particles were there, yet you weren't. Consciousness does have indications that it's seperate from the body.
I understand your POV but to say that a person in a vegetative state could have a perfectly functioning brain is not correct. “A vegetative state occurs when the cerebrum (the largest part of the brain) is severely damaged (making mental function impossible), but the reticular activating system is still functional (making wakefulness possible). The reticular activating system controls whether a person is awake (wakefulness)”.Meaning there is no such thing as a person with a perfectly functioning brain who’s in a vegetative state. Additionally, I’m pretty sure Greene touched on this as well during the video, but it could all really come down to the arrangement of the particles that constitute our brain matter.
Ramana Maharishi was one of the great sages of India, and he spoke about sleep in very interesting ways. You can find them in the dialogues in 'Talks with Ramana Maharshi,' which you can find free on the web (I believe it is at Internet Archives or Project Gutenberg). Absolutely fascinating dialogues on this stuff. After many years of studying this sort of material, it remains one of my favorite books. You can also find a very interesting dialogue about sleep and consciousness by doing a YT search for 'J. Krishnamurti Malibu 1970.' He gets into awareness during deep sleep, if your mind is very clear and your life is in order. It's fascinating that a very similar and completely independent dialogue appears in 'Talks with Ramana Maharshi.' Awareness without an object comes up. The mind, empty, completely in order, with no desires or other pursuits, with no thoughts or problems, just being with itself and going deeper into itself, with no subject-object divisions.
Different parts of the brain have different functions, so while one part that controls consciousness, time perception, etc. is not firing as usual, the portion that controls heart beat, breathing, and other vital functions can still be active.
@@isaacrosa584 But, the particles and atoms and physics are still there. The question was why can it be switched on and off? It's the off that leads to the question.
As long as there is disbelief about the exclusive role consciousness play about everything, from the atom to the universe nothing will make sense in further understanding of the quantum reality.
I would like to propose that consciousness is simply leftover processing power used to justify decision making once the brain has covered all subconscious processes needed for survival -- So animals that have more efficient brains with more processing power are allotted more consciousness than animals who need all their processing power for subconscious interactions. What are your thoughts?
The story of Adam and Eve is a good symbolic example. When they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they gained consciousness. They chose to be like Gods themselves. Edit: I think consciousness began when humans became aware of time.
@@peaceonearth351 reality , or perception of reality became aware with time . I feel conciousness always ran through this like an underlying thread. Edit: I'm not tryin to say that like fact or sounding like fact. It's all just hypothetical/philosophical
This is a weird experience we are having. Like we look the way we look. And we think and wonder. And do all we can to explain it but its really a very very powerful dream.
When talking about the mind joe has mostly atheists on . there are well known physicists that believe in cosciousness as a basic reality in the universe.
@@misterTayO Russell Targ, Sir Roger Penrose, Hal Puthoff. You should read Targ's book on remote viewing. It completely changed the way I view life and consciousness. I think Greene should read that book too
@@misterTayO Listen to some Alan Watts. He is famous for interupting and popularizing Eastren philosophy for a westren audience. I recomend the "Nature of God" lecture, but there is a immense amount of content to choose from. Though he isnt a physicist i think it will be more along the lines of what your searching for.
What he said @2:40 is FAR less radical to believe than to assume that consciousness is a coincidental collision of particles that collided together in an order that became us!! Elements are not “consciousness” but there is an intelligence in every single particle & element. Even rocks, plants, earth all have a quantum-spiritual element of intelligence & order!
2:03 so what he is saying is that when electrons and protons move in a certain configuration consciousness appears, that means that if the electrons move in certain without the brain, consciousness should also appear which means you don’t need a brain for consciousness you only need electrons to move in a certain way. Why would you need the brain if the electrons move in the correct way? So technically anything can be conscious according to what hes saying
10:04 I cant believe that this super smart guy goes from the softest stuff to the hardest stuff directly, just because nothing happened at the first time, what was he thinking🤦🏻♂️
@@deanurschel9161 please show me peer reviewed scientific evidence that phenomenon occur that break our laws of physics? And I'm not talking a lack of our understanding such as what happens in a black hole.
Mr. Greene made me just respect him thousand times more. just by how honest he is that no person on this earth has a clue what the consciousness is, and claiming that his own personal view is just his own personal view with no more evidence than any other person on earth has. it's easy to respect this humble and reasonable point of view even that our beliefs still do differ. Also overall, besides of Cox and Carroll, this has to be one of the best science JRE podcasts made to this date.
based inner child , I don’t believe you are a gobshite and would not personalise that statement, I’m mainly referring to science, nobody knows exactly what consciousness is, and your theory cannot be taken as a truth for all humanity to accept as truth, I have many theories myself that I truly feel are correct but I cannot claim my own observations as fact and expect everyone else to agree,
based inner child that is impossible, but I have experienced waking up from an operation and could remember nothing, like being dead, and people who have certain conditions like in the movie the awakenings starring Robert deniro, they said after waking that the 10, 20, 30, 40 years was like being dead without any consciousness at all
The more I understand the less I understand
its bound to be that way!
No, the more you know, the less you understand. The more you understand, the more you understand.
It’s a paradox
@@bjs301 the less I know the more I understand. The more its snows the more it rains. The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain bagels with cream cheese and smoked salmon.
@@maxkielbasa6079 Thanks for clearing that up. Now I understand.
Brian Greene articulates his thoughts so well. It’s refreshing
He does it for a living. Chose a good profession.
I thought everything he said was absolute horsesh!t if I'm going to be completely honest with everyone, same with Rogan. They're literally talking about nothing and if you think for a second that taking Psychedelics is going to enhance your consciousness or bring you closer to a "divine presence" then you need to do some serious soul-searching. I'm not saying you think this way but Rogan and a lot of his fans do and it baffles me. You don't need any drugs to enhance your consciousness and it sure as sh!t won't bring you closer to God, maybe Satan, but definitely not God. If anything, it separates you from our Lord even further and that's exactly what the Devil wants to do on this planet.
@@christservant2464 if you haven't figured it out yet, Joe and probably 99% of his viewers and guests are not religious.
When they speak of spiritual experiences they don't mean divine. It is simply the best phrasing to try and explain it.
@@Voidova Rogan and most people are on this 'New Age' religious tip, my Brother. Everything to them is smoking DMT and realizing that "eVeRyThInG iS eNeRgY mAAAAAAN" or that we're living in a simulation..
@@christservant2464 You clearly haven't heard Joe talk about his experiences so stop spreading bullshit. That's not at all what they're saying.
One day Joe's gonna interview a bag of DMT
xela llahsram lmao
@John Capo you are not funny
Lmaoo
@@iiiisell wow he was just trying to reach out and connect with people you shut him up?
@@EEKmusic get oot
You know a story’s gonna be good when it starts with “so I was in Amsterdam”
Preface that with psychedelics and you’ve got yourself someone the best 14 minutes on RUclips.
Yep!
Weed nation?
Tweeakers
Amsterdam is a fantastic city even when you’re not tripping on mushrooms 🍄 ❌❌❌
dutch doctor: here we go again
Hello future person, looking back on this video many years in the future, smiling at how little we knew.
@zakaria azzioui Hello from the future, yeah.. well.... things are fucked up right now, i hoped you enjoyed the past
Dimitris Plex hello from the past
Hello I’m from the future and the world is still fucked up
@@retrovro hello from the future there is hope for the world
@@marcob4477 hello from the future things are still fucked up
Joe's most subtle "you ever had dmt?" Yet
Yea, the build up before that DMT question was smooth as eggs.
😂😂😂😂
We bully joe.
n. Rymer he’s rich so it’s okay (-8
lol
It’s genuinely astounding that Joe “Don’t listen to me... I’m an idiot” Rogan can not only keep, but progress these conversations with such great minds
Joe is unbelievable at learning. His brain is like a sponge
at this point he's had years of listening to people that are smarter than him. the mind if very flexible. even if he was average intelligence to start with, the years of tutoring he's received has made him smarter and given him a broader view on life/reality.
Expect the part when he said conusinessesseses is brain tissue
He just likes to keep himself humble that’s all there is to it.
David Muradov
“conusinessesseses” did you have a stroke?
I’m a simple man. I hear Joe say: “What do you think consciousness is”, I like video.
😊
Literally the least simple question though..
You're a man of culture
My recovery journey was greatly enhanced by the therapeutic benefits of DMT. Other psychedelics like psilocybin and LSD have also proven to be remarkable.
Hey mate, do you know where i can source one?
doctorcyruss is your guy, got all kinds of psychedelics and the most knowledgeable that i know.
Is he on telgram?
Yes and tiktok, highly recommended.
It's amazing how they work better than antidepressants and serve as recreational purpose as well.
I once had an experience, can totally be put away for the fact that I did psychedelics, but it felt so real to me...to this day I cannot put into words how this affected me. To be concise, I took some acid and fell very deep into some otherworldly dimension and found my bf, who at the time was struggling with a heroin addiction. He had moved away to deal with it, and I live in Hawaii. He was across the sea in the continental us. I met him in this other world, and told me he needed help...like he straight told me he was dying. I was frying balls and my friends we're trying to calm me down...I snapped out of this and told everyone around me, that he was dying. I told them we needed to go to California and help him. They comforted me and told me everything was okay...I was just tripping. Fair enough. The next day, we found out he od'd and had passed away. I'll never forget my friend tripping out and telling me how crazy that was. I was an atheist then as well. No more. I don't adhere to established religions, but I do believe theres something greater we dont know about. This isn't some comment to change your mind, just something that did happen to me. I also still don't believe in ghosts. But I believe my friend came to me and asked for helped. Makes me wish I could've done more...
Sorry to hear about your bf, may he rest in peace. What a mindblowing thing to experience, it could be anything from your fears of him manifesting themselves to you actually accessing some higher plane of consciousness where you could still communicate w him. Psychedelics are some next level shit, I’ve experienced telepathy on shrooms but thats as wild as my experiences have gotten.
May he rest in peace... especially knowing that you knew and were trying to help. He won't forget. The soul doesn't forget
RIP. I too have had weird similar experiences while on shrooms changed my life for ever
Thats is absolutely breathtakingly powerful, im so sorry for your loss. I can agree with you spirtual awakening though. I've been out of my mind in a manic episode because of a sociopath that abused me. The man she killed before me possessed me and we wrote an email telling her she is killing men. Ever since then I've been awakened to the spiritual nature of our world. I talk about it on my channel if you're interested. Consciousness is fascinating.
Somebody may try to explain it away as your intuition that came to you during a trip, in the form of your bf. No real vision or external communication. It's all just your subconscious thoughts. But then how do you account for the timing? They'd probably say, "well you do drugs a lot, he does drugs a lot. The timing was coincidence". The problem is that these observations aren't necessarily connected themselves and are individual refutes of a various components of a subjective experience. Therefore they don't form a concise, logical flow. If this explanation were the case, you'd have tried to stop him long before in an earlier trip, or had "vision trips" long after he passed, but before finding out his passing.
I've personally had "otherworldly" experiences that make you question reality itself, without drugs or illicit substances. I can't say if what you experienced is real, but I understand how these profound experiences affect you more than anything else.
Best topic Joe's had in a while
Very true it s been dry for a while
That's what happens when you invite scientists
This guys is wrong on so many issues...I really didn't like it.He is no scientist just a savy writer.Would love for Joe to get actual scientists on the show not pple trying to promote their fucking book
Need more Hamilton Morris
Davos Holdos he’s had this same exact convo a multitude of times over the past 5 years lol
Joe “particularly dimethyltryptamine” Rogan
Literally read this comment as he said it made me laugh hahah
@Skeptical Slim hahah great comment xD
I laughed so hard when he said that xD
Heard him say this and had to come to the comment section
@Westsidesnooker 2020 a month or so ago he said hes only done DMT 7 times.
this mans vocabulary is amazing
Studying literature Oxford payed off
Your punctuation is atrocious!
@@Ontime2day With a good vocabulary ? If that's all one gets one is royally ripped off. Or "Gypped" as one used to say. I believe that terminology has fallen out of favour with the common folk these days though so I shall obstain from using it once more. *Tips hat and briskly walks in the opposite direction your body mass was heading* After a few steps ' *mumbles* Gremuphh grahhh grrrr fuc k gah . stupid .... fugrghmph. FUCK.
JonnyUnderrated cringe.
@@JonnyUnderrated cringe
Love Brian. He'll always tell you the counter argument to his in the same manner as his own. Respectable.
10000%
My day isn't complete until I catch the latest clip of Joe Rogan talking about DMT.
how is DMT gonna make its way into this conversation i wonder
i think he was on acid. thats how. the acid.
7:30
8:55
@John Sickler haha. Thereafter. Noice. (;
#GoVegan #GoAgnostic #AstralRealms #Yoga
watching these high is like having my mind blown over and over again
Nice. I'm drunk and getting sad
@@landonic81 wuutt im baked n having a blast
@@federicoanzola2785 girl problems. Apparently I need to switch to weed 😂
High on what exactly?
This guy would be amazing to hear while on Acid or....
dMt.
Get higher next time
"Your mind is like this water my friend. When agitated it becomes difficult to see. But if you allow it to settle, the answer becomes clear"
-turtle from a kids movie
808 Motives is this... kung fu panda?
@@AaronVlogsTheIphoneVlogger Ya it is, I think the first one? not sure
Eric Weinstein approves
Master oogway
@@evglea8222 is dead
10:55 his trip was his mind trying to tell him he is sick of the monotony of creating theories in his head, destroying them and then reforming new ones and repeating.
This!
I don't know of the monotony, but yeah, since Brian Greene is a theorist, that was the brain way to show his theories and ideas being destroyed while he creates new ones, because that's basically his life; in other words, it was point him in contact with himself.
And psychedelics have nothing to do with consciousness, they have to do with dreams, dreaming while awake.
And if nightmares are a way to reveal emotional disturbances, now imagine that while being awake, that's what is called a bad trip.
i was looking for this comment. I cannot disagree with him in any of what he is saying. He is right: Psychedelic substances are nothing but chemicals that alter our brains.
However, i cannot help but think that he is restrained. He is unable to realize that though chemicals may cause it, it is much more profound than that.
He even had it in front of him and didn’t realize it. His trip was literally about it.
Exactly what came to mind when he explained this. Perhaps he’ll still realize at some point; I doubt he’ll be forgetting the experience anytime soon.
I still get realizations about trips that I had years ago.
Poor guy has an experience in a terrible setting with no understanding of the sacredness, for lack of a better word, involved with those experiences. Now he’s probably turned off them for life. If we as a society can get more of our greatest thinkers to experience more spiritually enlightening hallucinogenic experiences, then we could probably figure out a bunch more about where our understanding of physics is not all the way there.
@@OmniscientSlothExactly. When I think about how in older cultures they ingrained these chemicals into loving and accepting practices and rituals, it makes me believe they were much more advanced as a society than us.
I imagine had he taken it in a better set and setting, and knew exactly what he was doing (chemical wise), he couldve gone in with a better mindset and come out with one as well. His story sounded like it was something he did impromptu and in a new setting (At a hotel??). Sad that he had a rough enough experience to not investigate further.
This guy experienced what it's like to be Rick in an episode of Rick and Morty.
Lmao😂
I am not looking for a DMT plug. Do not hit me up directly please
Yea, me neither.
Same. Definitely not looking for a DMT plug in Florida. If a magic mushroom dealer DM'd me i'd be appalled.
Hahahaha oh well.
Definitely not in orlando FL just waiting for someone to DM me some DMT as a matter of fact DMT stands for Direct Message Transmission dont mind us fbi man
You are on RUclips my son, you are your own DMT plug...
I'm not a scientist but every time I nut I feel like my consciousness is more focused and clear than any other time. Look into that Jamie
Post N U T clarity, my friend.
Straight up right after I nut and get through the regret phase I feel as if my mind has been cleared and everything makes more sense
@@Teamsween the f is wrong with you regretting masturbation. Lol enjoy that shit its only one life we know off!
Yes
@@Teamsween why would you regret it? xd
10:36-10:38 anyone notice as soon as he said, "The world changed" the lighting of the video shifted a bit....
Yep wtf? Must be consciousness saying your wrong, and here's a clue.
Thats insane is on the word changed exactly
Yes WTF
"I was in Amsterdam" ... Say no more.
I love how Joe laughs at him at 10:30 about his bad psychedelic experience lmao we've all been there
Yep😂😭
Lmao no we haven’t
@@amymor7 you should try if you want
You should interview Eckhart Tolle!
Enlightenment 🙏🏽
"Animals have some sort of consciousness. "
- Joe Chimp Rogan
Have to say Joe really kept his own countering him on why psychadelics could actually show us another dimension
Urungumburum
Yes, I believe it can based on joe saying he and the people he was with all saw the same thing.
@@nopenoway9875 most people who take dmt describe it in the same way
C k8
But see the exact same thing?
@@nopenoway9875 some are identical do the research yourself just find 2 people from different parts of the world review a dmt trip on RUclips and they'll be fairly similar but most of them talk of wizards and doorways to other places but then theres stuff like lsd that's not so much different realm stuff it can send you on mad trips but its more colours and just distorting your perception, but people who take the same physcadelic normally describe seeing the same things
@Alpha Centauri "...to embrace other dimensions through drugs."
I don't know, that's honestly tough to say. It is the human mind that developed the ability to work it out theoretically. If it could do that why couldn't the mind "embrace" it another way? Also I'm calling Greene a liar about the whole "shrooms in Amsterdam" story.
Plus Joe could fuck somebody up.
*“We are all one consciousness interactive with itself.”*
― David Icke
"The moon is a base projecting a simulation into our minds, run by the reptilians"
-David Icke.
The guy could compasses point north and i would have to check.
@@MaxDeckard this comment deserves way more upvotes....tf
You know what's insane, Brian Greene has a PBS special about quantum mechanics, and there's this scene where Brian is in a "quantum bar" and converses with other versions of himself.
I remember that video. It was named fabric of the cosmos
@@AnishManikandanneo it's so freaking wild that he would experience these things, right!?!
Ohh yes... It's crazy
11:24 “And I actually said to my wife, Tie me up” 🤣🤣🤣
I need some of that machine gun weed
edit: everyone who replied to this comment is a chronic stoner
It was probably peyote not weed.
John Cotto you don’t smoke that
John Cotto it might have been Amanita
It was most likely truffles or a type of mushroom
my guess is salvia.
Get David Icke on. It'd be brilliant.
Yes!
Dream guest right there
Definitely
Ahhh yea!
Fuck yes!!!
I love that Joe gets to interview these highly scholar people to ask the questions that we all have. Not that they know everything but at least to have a perspective that isn't just our own thoughts or experiences.
Welcome to the collective subconcious of particle physics. I like this dudes train of thought and stance on no position. This is the type of mentality required to gather a collection of usefull knowledge. This why practicing arguing both sides of a subject is important. The bigger the perspective the better the understanding.
Why does joe rogan make me want to DMT
I wouldn't say try it without any context. But I would say look into it, it will most likely change your life if you end up taking it.
Do research try shrooms first know what you're doing it isn't for everyone
How do you even get it.
The universe wants you to remember. 🙏
Lake Steeze where can I buy this
You have to interview John Hatsis!! He’s a psychedelic historian so that would be super dope
Cassandra Morales you mean Tom Hatsis? yes hes amazing!
rickard storholm Yes, him!! Thanks for the correction, I gotta get the right name out there for sure!
Cassandra Morales give me your sharingan
Joe + Psychedelic Talk = 😃 a very happy Joe.
Before you can know what you’re seeing, you must know who is seeing.
....... Whoa. Do you know who originally said this?
@@sophieb5440 perhaps it’s paraphrasing. If not, someone, no one, everyone.
*Brian Greene takes acid*
Acid: hi
Brian Greene: TIE ME TO THE BED SHARON!
Lmao good one
12:40 I thought this during my first few trips too. We seem to think that reality is exactly as we perceive it sober, but psychedelics show you that you can have many different opinions and perceive things differently depending on your state of mind.
2:33 I started believing something like this after an lsd trip. Almost exactly the way he describes it. It just takes a sufficiently complex system for it to be expressed like it is now. And looking forward, you could create a novel, artificial organ giving yourself another sense, and that extra data will make you think/exist different, it's another layer of complexity
as soon as he says "the world changed" the colors of the camera shifted to a colder tone lmaoo 10:36
Noiceee
Was a vibe change.
Fucking jaime.... He knows what he's doing
Your blue light filter just activated
the answer is in front of everyone's eyes already, and it's been there since forever, truth is radical and unexpected, you will never reach truth by holding on to beliefs
we cant take what goes against our believes some kind computer will explain it to us in feature
Psychedelic’s definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it’s just so hard to source here
Psychedelics are the reason why i didn’t take my life when i was at my end. I was stripped of my ego and saw the beauty of life and interconnectivity and even though i still battle anxiety and depression, I’m doing better everyday and will never think in such a self destructive way again.
LSD and mushrooms completely changed my whole outlook on life. I became a better version of myself
This experience gave me a lot of confidence about my self and my body. A bunch of bad thought / behavior patterns were broken. One of these was pretty bad OCD that made me wash my hands a lot. It gave me a lot of hope that things will be fine, this is the one thing that I heard throughout the trip: Everything is alright. The main reason for the trip was my severe depression and it definitely helped me (although it's not gone). Before all I could do was lay in bed. Now I am trying to rebuild my life one step at a time which wasn't possible before."
[_James_tray]
Got psychs
@@sarahh321 Where to search?? Is it IG?
@@Jerryberger9235 Yes
Joe "Your lungs and liver produce DMT" Rogan
Brian is so well spoken, listening to him is like listening to an audiobook where every sentence took considerable planning and rewriting.
When Brian Greene talks about particles imbued with consciousness, he's speaking directly to the hypothesis put forth by Donald Hoffman in his book "The Case Against Reality". I highly recommend it! Not saying I agree with his hypothesis, but it's a thought-provoking read, and if you enjoyed the topic Rogan and Greene talked about here, you might enjoy this book.
Just wondering, how does one eat if one doesn’t generally let foreign substances into ones body
He's an 👽 alien
Oh you knew what he meant smartass lol
Yeah for some reason Brain is assuming food choices don't affect our neurochemistry when even chocolate will change dopamine levels.
Exactly what I wondered.
Depends on your definition of foreign substance
Still one of my favorite JRE clips ever. This is why I started paying attention to his show. I wish he'd go back to guests and conversations like this with interesting and super-educated people.
Enjoyed how articulate this video was. Quite refreshing.
I agree with basically everything this guest is saying. He’s not making any unexplained leaps of faith he is just interpreting the evidence with as little assumption as possible.
Exactly.
Eh
"We may be humans, but we're still animals." -Steve Vai
❤️
"We may be animals, but we're still humans"
I really like Brian Greene, like he is really genuine
The truly mind boggling thing was hearing Brian Greene talking about tripping balls and saying the F word.
I feel like joe is about to get this man high 😂
It seems Greene’s understanding of consciousness is a bit premature. To think that his “consciousness” was temporarily modified as a result of the drugs and so it must just be a chemical reaction that’s constantly occurring does seem very fitting for the times... however wouldn’t the “awareness” of what is going on within all of these different states truly be consciousness happening through him? It’s hard to get to the source, but the awareness of all of it in every moment is consciousness, and that was consistent rather he be sober or hallucinating, etc.
What are the differences between opinions here? I'd just like a clarification.
Well said
The question is - what is going on? If you don't know the answer to that question, you can't be aware of it.
But can you just claim to know what's going on, and have confidence enough to believe that claim is the truth without evidence?
Does anyone know? Maybe consciousness doesn't even exist. It seems to be some philosophical term at this point, or an "add your preferred definition here" type of thing.
@@PlumbDrumb I think both are true. On the material plane it's just electrical signals being altered by drugs, yet on the non material plane it's the one eternal mind remembering it is all a dream.
On a different note, please consider interviewing David Paulides of Missing 411 CanAm.
Sandy, recommend Paulides through his web site.
Joe's subtle excitement in his voice when Brian Greene says "yes, I've done them" is great
One day we will enjoy the connection of science and pure energy (the divine) to connect humanity to singularity.
3:20 It only seems fantastical because materialism has been an axiom of science ever since it separated itself from philosophy a few hundred years ago. The problem is not that science cannot explain consciousness, the problem is that science does not acknowledge its existance as a subjective reality but rather tries to correlate it to objective patterns of matter.
Terence Mckenna would have put him to rights. Material reductionism seems too constraining.
A cake is made with ingredients but if you just throw them all in a bowl and add heat it won’t be a cake 🎂
it will be a bowl shaped cake....
No no NOOO!!! It will be a diamond shaped car that has a horny tongue that’ll lick the logo of Walmart
You've got to do the cooking by the book or else the cake will end up crazy.
The materialist theory of consciousness:
"I have faith we'll figure it out one day."
Jesse Sudich, more like inductive logic that it will be done.
Adam W. just know that all “logic” depends on what we think we know already. if what we think we know ever collapses or changes (which it has many times in the past), “logic” will also change or collapse.
based inner child, it makes sense that our logic would change. As we learn more about the universe, our labels change with it. Logic should reflect our experience with the world.
@@adamx9793 *Logic should reflect our experience with the world.* sure thing. the conflict arises when some people are having experiences with the world that are very different from other peoples' lol. for example, a monk who's meditated for 10,000 hours and broken through the illusion of a personal self, is having a profoundly different experience of the world than the average joe - even the average "brilliant scientist" joe. but it's not so easy to put that kind of experience into numbers and data points like the modern scientific method is limited to. there are biases that can exist fundamentally as a result of the lens we are using to explore the question - in this case a lens that is conditioned to define reality by numbers, calculations, and measurable objects.
Yep that's how the mind works
Instead of rambling if they just sat there and meditated they'd get a direct answer
Better yet be in a natural environment and meditate
Until your consciousness levels rise. You'll notice you go beyond the mind. The mind will be "below" you in a sense or way looking at it
Consciousness cannot be explained through limited words and language
Its all just limited pointers to the actual thing
Thats why God cannot be "put in a box" and labeled and understood by the mind
Its way more vast and beyond the mind
Reality can't be contained in a mind. All of our minds are happening in consciousness
I don’t think we will ever know. Some things are just not explainable. God made us so beautifully 💙
3:39 “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” (Gen 2:7)
Its weird because what I took away from my DMT experience was that everything is conscious
We are the same conciousness experiencing itself subjectively
Kudos to you for even trying dmt , I had the chance but pussied out.
I'm a physics student, and the more I understand the laws of the universe, the less I can conceive that something Has no consciousness.
Or at least that the universe itself has one
Got the same message from high doses of psilocybin
Also: what if what *we think* consciousness is, actually is just a really primitive form of experience - something that can also evolve
There are two major flaws in our consciousness. We have an innate duality within our psyche that is built by the conscious and subconscious aspects of our mind. The conscious aspect can be so extremely intelligent despite all things; performing complex equations and observations. However, when forming large-scale understandings of complex concepts our conscious mind is fed information by the subconscious mind. (This is where the first flaw lies). The subconscious mind will go to just about any lengths to align new information with old information. It will twist and ignore information if it doesn't align with the current status quo of belief and understanding (This is how people maintain absurd world-views despite all disproving evidence). Furthermore, the same instinctual mechanisms that allowed us to survive as a more primitive species are still fully functional in the subconscious mind. It drives us to fear things we don't understand, seek a sense of purpose within our community, procreate, and consume - all things that helped our ancestors survive. We live in a modern world built by the intelligent conscious minds of the smarted and most driven members of our species but the instinct-driven, information-twisting subconscious is at odds with this world. None of its mechanisms are serving their initial function in this new world. And because of this, we constantly feel the dissonance between our intelligent conscious minds and our primitive subconscious minds. Suicide rates are higher than ever and the whole world is heating up due to our negligence. The only way out of this situation is for our brains, and our minds, to evolve away from these primitive mechanisms. But evolution is slower than human development and can't catch up. There probably isn't a happy ending in sight for the human species and Earth as we know it today.
@@thomasstorey4480 I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said, but with development of the conscious mind there is also a decline in the feelings like happines or even sadness we are able to feel because all of them are felt through the subconscious mind. We are literally turning into machines which is terrifying. That's also why there has never been such a large scale of people with mental health problems. (The fight between the subconscious and conscious mind)
Thomas Storey you’re right in some areas but overall wrong. there IS a way for us to “break free” from what you call the primitive subconscious mind. it’s called waking up, awakening, enlightenment, there are many words for it, and some misconceptions about it. but its REAL. and it’s what happens when a human being discovers a state of awareness that ISN’T ruled by the impulses of their animal brain or their conditioned thought patterns. when someone takes psychedelics (and doesn’t have a “bad trip”) they’re able to experience this open awareness where they feel utterly expansive and no longer bound to whatever their problems, worries, or biases were previously, in addition to whatever more subtle layers of conditioning were controlling their perceptions. hatred and judgment and insensitivity dissolve, and bliss and connection become pervasive in one’s experience.
look up “loch kelly” on youtube, he guides people to it through a series of awareness exercises. of course eckhart tolle and many other teachers (many who teach traditional meditation) talk about it too and try to help people access it and live from within that state of being. but its REAL and it turns pretty much all your predictions and analyses on their head. it’s the trump card that changes everything.
based inner child you think there’s an afterlife where our soul and consciousness goes??
I see why he objects to the second theory because that is like saying a block of silver has the potential to have
Consciousness if we rearranged or added electrons , protons , ect. Just an example .
Peyton Vanwinkle how do you know it isn’t?
how do you know it doesn’t already have consciousness? fyi consciousness isn’t the same as thoughts and emotions. those things can arise WITHIN consciousness. but they aren’t consciousness itself. something can be conscious and not have any thoughts. so people like me and aaron aren’t suggesting that rocks might be thinking and feeling human emotions.
I feel like, asking how all the individual biological component in our body could produce conciusness is like asking how could 0 and 1 do complex calculation and display this video on my phones. At some point i feel like if you add enaugh simplicity you get complexity. But that's just how i feel.
Psychedelics may alter experience, but it doesn't alter the consciousness. The awareness of which experience is seen from. I think many people often forget that consciousness remains constant through out all our lives, regardless if we have memory loss, trauma, intoxicated states. Those render our ability of experience to change, but he consciousness behind those experiences remain untouched....maybe
You should have asked him how consciousness can be produced in the brain when there are people experiencing trauma and suddenly become experts in playing piano, even though they never touched a piano before. That is a clear sign that consciousness is universal. There have been also done experiments where meditators impact electrons in another room just by thinking about them, a study that has been done multiple times with same results.
Dude you need to go on the podcast
@@sonicbroom8522 I would love to. Especially together with Brian Greene.
Dumbest bullshit I've ever heard
I haven't even seen concrete evidence of the acquired savant syndrome your using to prop up your point. Silly.
@@Sploshification There are countless videos/ mini documentaries showing people going through a horrible accident/ near death experience/ etc. and experiencing this
Who’s high rn?
I’m high on life
Chomp same. And life’s always better when your high
high on life nxggx
I wonder what the purpose of getting high is like what's the true nature of it
wow 420blazeitm8 it’s simple, dopamine. But I smoke weed because I like the way I think and feel when I do. I also use it to recover from working out I’m never sore ;)
Just think about it...one day you will sleep forever. I can't wait for that day even if I'm having a existential crisis rn. Holy shit. Eternal peace
Nah fam, I rather fack bitches and smoke fat blunts
Yes. you need DMT son, and by DMT I mean Donald Mother Fn Trump.
Peace is a feeling that requires conciousness genius
@@brotothewilliams9890 I was about to say something relative to what you did.
Going into the Void/Afterlife is the merging of the spirit into the great big beyond. Once you die, your human consciousness fails to exist.
So how can you have peace if you can't fully embrace the human experience of consciousness anymore?
@@jjmiles7173
There's no conciousness after death so we feel literally nothing. Nothing isn't even a feeling or thing to experience because once you've experienced nothing then you've experienced something. It's as hard to wrap brain around as infinity it seems
I like the way brian articulates his thoughts
Im a simple man, i see joe rogan, i see DMT, I CLICK
Seen that before. Come original.
you dont click bro. It clicks *YOU* .
Light is energy... The more energy.. the more movement..more conciousness... Through meditating and other techniques such as taking psilocybin... One engages in quantum entanglement
.. becoming more aware of how the universe works...
Interesting stuff. My thoughts just were the same in consciousness until I stumbled onto this swiss cardiologist who did this study on "dead" people. Perople who died and their brain eeg went flat but came back to life. A lot of them experienced the so called near death experience and talked about beeing at some bright place, understanding everything, beeing without time and seeing their whole life in an instant, communicating to some beeings... Theory says there shouldn´t be anything to "see" when your brain ist quasi dead. The doctors theory is, that your brain is just a receiver for consciousness and tunes into it. It is all over the place and universe. Would´t that be fantastic? Means, that even not believing in god would not be the end. And if one thinks about all the unlikeliness of atoms building structures and systems and a brain that thinks about its "substructures" itself is kind of crazy. When atoms forming a brain means consciousnesses it also implicates that if atoms come together in a certain complexity there should be consciousnesses all over the universe.
Sounds like it would be fantastic but without any testing of this idea it remains completely unfounded and in the realm of wishful thinking imposed on things we don't understand. There is a desperation in humans to make magic anything that isn't easily understood. I think this cardiologists lack of understanding isn't proof of understanding.
@@rraptor158
Sorry, the guy is from the netherlands and not switzerland. They published his paper in The Lancet. Near death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest... If you listen to some of his interviews you realize that he is a sane man and that there is this phenomenon.
Sam Parnia's findings are also very interesting. So there is scientific evidence that a stopped heart produces higher states of consciousness. The sceptics say this rather than the other people. The debate now is whether a stopped heart means you are dead. But the higher awareness when the heart is stopped is not even debated now. Odd but there.
Sounds like a high plateau DXM experience. I think its quite possible the typical white light experience is just a result of your sensory input being cut off and your brain "filling in" the missing information with essentially peaceful white noise.
@Natasha Tomlinson I have no idea what this guy did or didn't consider previous to forming his own theory. Your aggression to an idea different than your own on this topic is flat out weird.
It’s so funny that joe asks Brian if he had any psychedelic experiences and he says yes, joes face lights up, then Brian proceeds to talk about hitting a joint for the first time 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lots of people in the comments saying that we are not our mind, I couldn't agree more. Picture this: Me, 2 tabs, alone in my house on a summer night. About 11:30, half an hour before peak for me, I took a walk. I live next to a golf course that is closed, so I treat it like my own private park even though it isn't mine. Past the golf course there's a little canoe launch at the most beautiful lake I know, with the clearest, cleanest water I've ever seen. I took my things (clothes, phone, light just in case but the moon was out) and walked from my house. As I left my house, I became aware of how it is part of my identity. Leave my yard onto the golf course, I leave my property. Leave the golf course, I leave behind the place I feel is mine. These places are not me, but part of what I see myself as. Arrive at the lake, strip naked, leaving all my things behind. It is exactly midnight. I go into the clear water and float submerged, with every part of my body in the water, no part of it touching anything else. This moment is the exact peak, I can feel it. The things I left on shore are not me, but they are representative of me. My "original Maine party animal" moose shirt is part of my identity and used to identify me, same as my face is if you know me. My phone is exclusively mine, my shoes are as well. Others have things like these, but these specific items are only mine. They are not, however, me. In the water, I realized I had nothing left to take off, but I was not at the most basic level of self. I am not my body. Amputate a leg, I remain me. The closest thing to me is my brain, but even that is not me, I could feel it.
My car has an ECU, a computer that regulates all sorts of things within the engine and within the vehicle as a whole. In order for that car to move, there has to be someone in the drivers seat turning the key, moving the wheel, pushing the clutch, etc. The brain is to us as the ECU is to a car. Something deeper is piloting our body, and that something is what we truly are.
To put this analogy into perspective, let's say you were in a car from the day you were born until the day you die. There is no survivable way out of this car, so your whole life is spent within it. In this situation, the car is part of you because you cannot exist without it. The question is; are you the car, or are you the driver?
Joe is really leveling up as far as speaking eloquently on the topics which each guest in this field. I think he's preparing for a final showdown with the big boss Neil DT.
Neil is a jackass, a smart jackass...but he aint a final boss.
The problem with Greene's view comes with looking at the lack of consciousness. There are states where a brain is functioning perfectly but the person is vegetative - no person there. When you sleep, then awake, you have a sense of time passage and continuety. When you go under sedation, then come out, you have a loss of time. While you were under, your brain functioned, and all the particles were there, yet you weren't. Consciousness does have indications that it's seperate from the body.
There is apparently a so called "on/off" switch ruclips.net/video/W2JysfO5PTY/видео.html
I understand your POV but to say that a person in a vegetative state could have a perfectly functioning brain is not correct.
“A vegetative state occurs when the cerebrum (the largest part of the brain) is severely damaged (making mental function impossible), but the reticular activating system is still functional (making wakefulness possible). The reticular activating system controls whether a person is awake (wakefulness)”.Meaning there is no such thing as a person with a perfectly functioning brain who’s in a vegetative state.
Additionally, I’m pretty sure Greene touched on this as well during the video, but it could all really come down to the arrangement of the particles that constitute our brain matter.
Ramana Maharishi was one of the great sages of India, and he spoke about sleep in very interesting ways. You can find them in the dialogues in 'Talks with Ramana Maharshi,' which you can find free on the web (I believe it is at Internet Archives or Project Gutenberg). Absolutely fascinating dialogues on this stuff. After many years of studying this sort of material, it remains one of my favorite books.
You can also find a very interesting dialogue about sleep and consciousness by doing a YT search for 'J. Krishnamurti Malibu 1970.' He gets into awareness during deep sleep, if your mind is very clear and your life is in order.
It's fascinating that a very similar and completely independent dialogue appears in 'Talks with Ramana Maharshi.'
Awareness without an object comes up.
The mind, empty, completely in order, with no desires or other pursuits, with no thoughts or problems, just being with itself and going deeper into itself, with no subject-object divisions.
Different parts of the brain have different functions, so while one part that controls consciousness, time perception, etc. is not firing as usual, the portion that controls heart beat, breathing, and other vital functions can still be active.
@@isaacrosa584 But, the particles and atoms and physics are still there. The question was why can it be switched on and off? It's the off that leads to the question.
As long as there is disbelief about the exclusive role consciousness play about everything, from the atom to the universe nothing will make sense in further understanding of the quantum reality.
People like him and the ones who need to experience DMT most of all.
A brilliant mind coherent in that realm is what the world needs more of.
I am really curious how really intelligent, well educated people like that would handle DMT
I would like to propose that consciousness is simply leftover processing power used to justify decision making once the brain has covered all subconscious processes needed for survival -- So animals that have more efficient brains with more processing power are allotted more consciousness than animals who need all their processing power for subconscious interactions. What are your thoughts?
Brian sounds like a person leaning on their own understanding.
which is what all humans do.
1MinuteFlipDoc not all of us. some of us are open to possibilities that don’t fit our preconceived notions and mental maps.
I dont buy it
I feel conciousness is like a river and our brains keep us in the current
The story of Adam and Eve is a good symbolic example. When they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they gained consciousness. They chose to be like Gods themselves. Edit: I think consciousness began when humans became aware of time.
@@peaceonearth351 reality , or perception of reality became aware with time . I feel conciousness always ran through this like an underlying thread.
Edit: I'm not tryin to say that like fact or sounding like fact. It's all just hypothetical/philosophical
Consciousness is like an ocean, and brains are like sponges in the ocean.
@Box Jabber wouldnt evolution be a bi product of conciousness as well? Like they say the Universe is constantly expanding, so is conciousness
@Box Jabber they probably did but hadnt the motor skills to Express them properly
When he said he can experience the color red... we all felt that
This is a weird experience we are having. Like we look the way we look. And we think and wonder. And do all we can to explain it but its really a very very powerful dream.
WE NEED MORE OF THESE TYPES OF PODCASTS MAN!
Joe “has DMT tried me?” Rogan
At 10:35 when he says "changed" the lighting in the video changes to a bit more blue for a moment.
When talking about the mind joe has mostly atheists on . there are well known physicists that believe in cosciousness as a basic reality in the universe.
Keith Greenan Do you have the names and/or videos of those physicists talking on the subject.? I’d like to hear what they say.
@@misterTayO Russell Targ, Sir Roger Penrose, Hal Puthoff. You should read Targ's book on remote viewing. It completely changed the way I view life and consciousness. I think Greene should read that book too
@@misterTayO Listen to some Alan Watts. He is famous for interupting and popularizing Eastren philosophy for a westren audience. I recomend the "Nature of God" lecture, but there is a immense amount of content to choose from. Though he isnt a physicist i think it will be more along the lines of what your searching for.
@@Yusuq_Madeek joe had Penrose on the show
@@misterTayO henry stapp is a well known physicist with some interesting ideas.
I have to write a report on one of his books and I knew I recognized his name from somewhere :)
Glad I picked his book.
What he said @2:40 is FAR less radical to believe than to assume that consciousness is a coincidental collision of particles that collided together in an order that became us!!
Elements are not “consciousness” but there is an intelligence in every single particle & element. Even rocks, plants, earth all have a quantum-spiritual element of intelligence & order!
2:03 so what he is saying is that when electrons and protons move in a certain configuration consciousness appears, that means that if the electrons move in certain without the brain, consciousness should also appear which means you don’t need a brain for consciousness you only need electrons to move in a certain way. Why would you need the brain if the electrons move in the correct way? So technically anything can be conscious according to what hes saying
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I cant believe that this super smart guy goes from the softest stuff to the hardest stuff directly, just because nothing happened at the first time, what was he thinking🤦🏻♂️
If consciousness is only in the brain, I’d like to hear his theory on the phenomena of twins feeling shared emotions.
It's been studied and nothing has been found. Nothing has ever been found that violates of laws of physics.
I’m a twin and I can tel you that all these twin studies are bullshit
@@xGaLoSx not true, not even close too true
@@deanurschel9161 please show me peer reviewed scientific evidence that phenomenon occur that break our laws of physics? And I'm not talking a lack of our understanding such as what happens in a black hole.
@@xGaLoSx and those are all peer reviewed
Excellent segment. Great guest 👌
Vick trippz is the legit psychedelic plug. He got shrooms lsd and others..
Hit him up on Instagram..
What a fantastic story about Amsterdam!
Mr. Greene made me just respect him thousand times more. just by how honest he is that no person on this earth has a clue what the consciousness is, and claiming that his own personal view is just his own personal view with no more evidence than any other person on earth has. it's easy to respect this humble and reasonable point of view even that our beliefs still do differ.
Also overall, besides of Cox and Carroll, this has to be one of the best science JRE podcasts made to this date.
In fairness, no smart person would claim to know exactly what consciousness is, only gobshites say that they do
Liam O’Leary consciousness is the fabric of everything we can ever experience as human beings. am i a gobshite now?
based inner child , I don’t believe you are a gobshite and would not personalise that statement, I’m mainly referring to science, nobody knows exactly what consciousness is, and your theory cannot be taken as a truth for all humanity to accept as truth, I have many theories myself that I truly feel are correct but I cannot claim my own observations as fact and expect everyone else to agree,
@@theliamofella have you ever experienced anything outside of your consciousness?
based inner child that is impossible, but I have experienced waking up from an operation and could remember nothing, like being dead, and people who have certain conditions like in the movie the awakenings starring Robert deniro, they said after waking that the 10, 20, 30, 40 years was like being dead without any consciousness at all