What Happens When Unknowing Subjects Are Given Magic Mushrooms
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Psilocybin mushrooms healed me. I can’t explain it but my experience has been quite spiritual. Depression and anxiety entirely gone.
I've been looking to try shrooms. Can someone direct me to a source?
Doctor_coxx is the person you want. He's the most knowledgeable about psychedelics that I know.
He's on instgram??
You can find him there, he's excellent.
Golden Teacher mushrooms has been quite therapeutic for me and I’m using PE for spiritual and mental gratification.
My first real mushroom trip 13 grams of fresh mushrooms. suddenly found myself in a world of fractals and melting objects, nothing was real anymore, all impressions amplified 100 times more. Definitely one of my craziest experience
Psilocybin, the active ingredient found in "magic" mushrooms, or "shrooms," is a powerful psychedelic tool.
I learned more about myself on one trip than I have through over a year of therapy.
How do you source yours please?
dr.wheelershrooms
dr.wheelershrooms
I fetch from him
Advising patients to approach demons with curiosities is a very very fine line. My ayahuasca experience had great lessons, yes. But it was the most terrifying thing I ever experienced. Truly makes you question the reality and harsh truth of what those entities are and while he says they cannot harm you physically.. my oh my is that naïve, it can leave lasting affects. Some believe permanently, and possessively.
Given that we know nothing about consciousness, I wouldn’t be so quick to conclude that demons in a trip are just a hallucination.
They certainly are not just a hallucination. . Your tapping in to other dimensions of consciousness it seems . .I would suggest to never mess with them as it’s not worth it
There are no demons. It can be scary to lose your ego and you do not ever actual see things. You may feel like you're dying in the worst case scenario but coming out of it you feel like you had a near death experience and you have so much appreciation for everything and everyone. It's the closest you can feel to God. Ego separates us from the universe, losing it dissolves you into everything that exists and ever has existed.
That's how crowley and other occultist use to contact demons, they go on deep trance while on mushrooms
Agreed
I'm Schizophrenic. I'm not 100% sure my voice is a demon. But he tries really hard to act like one
0:00: 🧪 The video discusses a study that compared the effects of psilocybin and methylphenidate in naive participants under blinded conditions.
5:30: 🔬 The speaker discusses a comparative pharmacology study comparing the effects of psilocybin to other compounds.
15:00: 😨 The study found that about 30% of volunteers experienced extreme fear or anxiety during the session, despite being selected for openness and curiosity.
9:38: 🎶 Volunteers are prepared for up to 8 hours before a psychedelic session, during which they listen to selected classical music.
19:58: 😱 The speaker encourages curiosity and interest in the terrifying experiences induced by psilocybin, rather than fighting or reifying them.
Recap by Tammy AI
Not listened to full conversation but the AI skipped the theme of "how such a study could be accepted by ethic committee", which seem much longer (and imo more interesting)than 0:00 reference.
@@sirpsychogame was literally wondering how this is ethical.
20:00 this reminds me of when I was a child I was afraid there was a monster under the bed. I looked down and saw a hand and decided punched it. Nothing but rug. I learned to confront fear instead of running from it.
I did the same but I was hearing ghost yelling but I yelled louder to afraid him!
Thank god it didn't say "ow!" 😂
I suffer from anxiety + got panic attacks in the most inconvenient of places, when driving, getting into a hot shower, anything could trigger a panic attack. I started micro-dosing shrooms about 3 years ago. My anxiety eased a lot. One eve I took 2grams and went to bed. I didn't trip or anything but since that day I have not had a single panic attack and I never had to use shrooms again. It was the mental reset I needed.
I took a heroic dose (8 grams of mushrooms, plus 1200 micrograms of LSD) when I was severely struggling with alcohol, the day after the trip I enrolled myself in a two week in-patient detox facility and have been sober ever since, close to 7 years now, it was like a switch was flipped in my brain that turned off my addictive personality. Psychedelics are incredibly underrated.
@@TheExplosiveGuy Ok, I need your help here. I drink to sleep. I had a rule that I don't drink on Sundays. It was punishment and terrors and night sweats. Now I lied to myseld to drink on Sundays prob becuase of my cowardess or the fact that I may die. Help a brother out. How do I stop my alcohol addiction and what do they perscibe to help you overcome the pink elephants.
In other words, I suffer from alcohol addition and I feel like I need a reset. I am scared that cutting out alcohol my cause death. (these a real thoughts) I want to quit and know I need to. I'm a functioning alcoholic but I drink up to 6 liters of beer a day. 5-11pm.
@PowrAl if you're at the point where you're getting the shakes if you don't drink for a night you will most likely die if you quit cold turkey, you either need to taper your intake down over a few weeks/months, or do the easier option like what I did and go to a detox facility. The detox will take care of your physical dependence on alcohol, but it will do nothing for your mental dependence, which could very well be helped by a stiff dose of mushrooms and a long period of self reflection under it's influence. Have you ever taken mushrooms before? I'm willing to help you through this if you are willing to help yourself, it seems like you are aware you have a problem and also want to fix it which is the first step you need to take on the journey to sobriety. I'll answer any questions or concerns you have over however long a period this takes and guide you through the process, if you'll let me, I can put my email up in the description of one of my videos on my channel so we can have a private correspondence, just let me know if you want to go through with this.
My issues started with beer, but I eventually graduated to downing a 1/4 gallon of vodka every night, you aren't at that point yet so there is a lot of hope for your recovery, just promise me that you won't hit the hard stuff or things will get really difficult, but regardless I'm still willing to help.
@@TheExplosiveGuy Thanks for your reply. I would love to get in touch with you to find a way. I looked at your channel and some do show an email address but yours don't. Let me know how I can reach out. Thank my man, much appreciated!
This is amazing. Love the detailed questions and investigation that Jordan does.
Psychedelic's definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression,I would like to try them again but it's just so hard to source here
LSD and mushrooms completed my whole outlook on life.I became a better version of myself
This experience gave me a lot of confidence about my self and body .A bunch of bad thought/behaviour patterns were broken.One of these was pretty bad OCD that made me wash my hands a lot.It gave me a lot of hope that things will be fine,this is the one thing that I heard throughout the trip: Everything is alright. The main reason for the trip was my severe depression and it definitely helped me (although it's not gone).
Before all I could do was lay in bed.Now I am trying to rebuild my life one step at a time which wasn't possible before"
Loved this.I battle from depression, anxiety &C-PTSD,I've heard shrooms cured depression. Wish doctors were more open to natural medicines over big pharma but we know why
trip_vardy
Got psychedelics
I had a moment on my first mushroom trip where I was lying in bed and lost total connection to my physical body.I felt as I was just a dot of energy on my pillow such a crazy feeling and made me smile, really realized that we are really nothing but energy and had an overwhelming feeling from that trip
One of my best experience in my life was doing LSD and writing a paper on my interpretation of God and how the universe works,it was amazing and I got an A in college class of comparative religion
I love how Jordan Peterson can take any subject and make it the most interesting thing that has ever been discussed. 🤔
well the subject they are discussing is his entire existence. you cant pursue a life long difficult career in psychology and education without loving it. psychoanalytic thinkers are not common. if you dont find that niche you can suffocate in boredom.
If you get your friends around you to be truthful and open on any decent level and you are the same, pretty much any conversation is interesting. Also helps to have good listening and to ask questions.
I must admit I have this skill aswell.
@@killianmccluff36
Doubtful; BTW *as well is two words. You could always shine up your spelling, there's that.
@@blakebunch4485 not doubtful at all. It’s the skill of the fundamental search of truth at its deepest level. Also I didn’t say as well I said aswell. Also don’t criticise my spelling when your grammar is appalling.
Mr Peterson, Thankyou thanks and Ta for everything you do to make the world feel a little softer. love from Australia
Life is not about FEELINGS
This was great! Would love to see the whole conversation!
Dr Peterson. You are "the best among us". We continue to learn from you on a daily basis and only pray to achieve a modicum of your integreity, in our lifetimes. You are stronger and wiser than most of us combined and we only hope that we can bring forth a pinch of what you express that we each can achieve, on our own. The ultimate love for you and yours.
among us? kinda sus
@@yeckio4805 You think he's not human?
@@Ca55perit’s a Among Us game meme, he’s not saying anything bad
yikes
@@starscream007 Thanks for clarifying :)
Jordan asks all the questions you would want to ask. I love him.
I need a shrink so bad right now I’m a ex marine with ptsd and a lot of other things wrong been through 4 combat tours dr Peterson we need you so bad for the veterans
God bless you, sir. And thank you for your service. Please seek help. Jesus saves.
Thank you for your service. If you need to talk about your experiences, I'm going to suggest a counsellor or psychologist, rather than a psychiatrist, based on my own experience.
Although this seems simplistic, there's an actual PTSD workbook. Just following the exercises to write down your experiences and feelings can go very far to getting those thoughts out of your head and onto the page. I wish you a complete recovery to perfect health.
@@tygerstripes3752 Thank you for your comment. Healing is possible.
That's one crazy experience. It's like torturing yourself. I think you do need help. I know that sounds harsh. Anything that educates you will be helpful.
Does Mr Peterson have a list of recommended psychiatrists? Must be hard finding someone decent.
Peace and healing to you ❤️
Interesting! Michael Knowles had an interview about 6 months ago if I am not mistaken, with a Christian that took mushrooms, and his story about the demons appearing is quite compelling! The "demons" were complaining that he was doing good things by saving souls and yet he was "eating from their table".
BS
It's a mushroom. Stop reading into the visions. Oh a Christian saw something that just happened to confirm his views? Whoa!
Michael Knowles is a dummy too
@@Amfortaswhy don't you just stand down and let people have their experiences since everyone including you has a personal perspective
@@Amfortas If you take shrooms, you'll have visions. Why say what you said about a Christian? Did you watch the show?
@@Amfortas "It's a mushroom." smh. It's an incredible mysterious thing is what it is. Stop acting like you're informed just because you know what something's called.
I just caught this. I love when Peterson covers psychedelic subjects. Roland Griffiths is a super legit researcher too.
I have a bad feeling about this study, or anything taken from outside the body that produces something that people study.
It's pretty subjective.
He's rather decrepit here, and reminds me of an older version of the manipulative drug dealers of the 70's, just older.
This interview is longer, and I'm reminded of odd responses and creepy laughter during an interaction that he and Dr Peterson had. See if you can find the whole interview.
thoroughly enjoyed that, especially the bit on facing demons. Have heard similar approach suggested for resolving nightmares, especially recurring ones. Worked for me a few times.
Almost all my dreams are nightmares but only in the context it's trying to be. I just happen to be a super bad ass in my dreams. I'm curious. I've killed myself while lucid and experiment. Blewy head off once. Just a big cavity that was icky. My first real trip on shrooms tho was last night. It was manic and half was fairly evil. I hugged my daemons I seen them insect like and normal horned black ones. But Had not lost my touch with reality that it's just an experience I'm having and lacked any real fear like my dreams. drowning in spiders. Whatever lol. Real life don't even like one.
This episode clip is chock full of quotable moments. Absolutely love it!
Although it's been many years since I've partaken in psychedelics, I've always agreed and advised that one should be in a positive State of mind and void of any emotional turmoil before participating in that type of experience
I love the movie, A Beautiful Mind, because it's from a true story about a smart guy that realizes that he is being taken over by schizophrenia and begins to take back control of his life by confronting the figures that were haunting him and learns to live with them and he returns to a normal life
you honestly think he imagined all that in the movie?
@@logosfocusIf the writers wrote the movie to be about hallucinations, not demons, then yes, he just imagined it all in the movie. That's how movies work: they get to define reality in the world they create.
my comment was not of a theological nature, i know demons are very real..
i meant is that what the writers were aiming for, that he merely hallucinated all of the weird stuff??
In today's climate I expect medical tests done by force on unwilling members of the public, and anyone who speaks out against it gets arrested.
wtf is wrong with u
Wonder why I can't see the replies on your post🤔
You know this has already happened back in ye old germany just a couple years back?
Yes...like an experimental...vaccine...
...with horrific results.
Thanks for the show Jordan
You’re welcome. Don’t forget to subscribe
I think I thought of the best quote to describe Jordan. "He's a Rockstar in the band of truth."
Jordan hitting my feels going ham on music and dance.
My first time taking mushrooms was when I was 17 and I was fed mushrooms by some older people in there 30's. I was also drinking all night. I had a horrible death trip. The interesting thing was I still had a strange clarity the next day that comes with a normal good trip. I wasn't afraid to try them again a year later with a friend who treated it more like a shamanic ritual with ambient music and I've done them maybe 4 times since then. I'm 37 now and it's been over ten years since my last trip. They are the most amazing thing that I don't play with mushrooms at all. They are for serious healing only. You have to be prepared to dissolve your ego. It's an amazing experience when done in the right environment.
I am extremely anti drug/psychedelics. I’ve seen only the bad. My parents were hippies and heavily into the drugs that ended shortly before I was born when they were at 19yrs of age. That was eons ago. In my early 30s I went for alcohol when I was going through a rough time. And though not a psychedelic, it compounded the fact that I am prone to just wanting to be stoned out of my mind and get as far from reality as possible. Yet this “escape” literally made the depression worse. I’ve had two friends od over the years. You can say well mushrooms aren’t that way, but it’s still mind altering bla bla bla. It’s still an escape. And hardly anybody comes into the comments and challenges people like you with your low key approval of this shit but it’s whatever. We live in a different world now.
@@Blake4625kHz I’d say the reason no one is challenging my approval of psilocybin is because everyone knows they are the furthest thing from addictive. They literally break people’s addiction. The reason I haven’t taken them in ten years is because of my respect for what it is and does to you. I will take them again someday when I need healing or when I need to see 100% clearly a part of myself that I’ve hidden from myself. That’s what they’re good for. They’re not some fun drug that help you escape. They are the absolute complete opposite of that. I’ve been escaping into the grind of life and use tv and RUclips as a dissociative. Psilocybin is an associative. It connects you with everything and shows you the harsh truth about yourself.
I know you were trying to insult me but if you struggle with depression and alcoholism, I’m telling you now. Psilocybin is NOT an escape and it could show you the deepest part of yourself and why you are depressed more than you could see yourself and it can heal that and by doing so you may come out the other side never wanting to touch a bottle again. It’s well researched the psilocybin and ayahuasca cure people from serious addictions. I personally know 5 people who have quit serious drug and alcohol addictions.
@@Blake4625kHz You can try to generalize alcohol and psychedelics into the same group, but neurologically, they do very different things. YES you can definitely abuse them, but they are tools that can be extremely valuable in the RIGHT CONTEXT.
Thankfully, the science has caught up to this blatantly obvious fact, which is why psychedelics are making their comeback
@@erikpoephoofd
I don’t gaf it it was as “blatantly obvious” as an open sack of moldy dog shit in my car on a 110 degree day. We all have an “escape” we flirt with that does not help us in the long run. My nature would be addiction, because like many I’d rather be stoned out of my ass than deal with life. That said which is why I do not take that drug avenue and mostly never have except a couple of times years ago. Telling people this is a good tool or avenue with what ever you wanna call it is stupid because the only homies in here reading are people who have addictive tendencies and low key want reassurance that psychedelics etc are ok. And for some maybe they are manageable in a positive way. We got a lot of underlying psychosis out there nowadays chomping at the bit to take people out. U might say I’m being dramatic but it all started somewhere. Instead of this kinda shit, people need community and in that community actual help. No big pharma and no recreational bullshit. This won’t solve society’s ills alone, alls I know I seen way more the negative than the positive. Lucas, Big Tony, Lia, Tarzan, Zach, Steve rip
@@Blake4625kHz I empathize with the points you're making man and I may be living in a hippie bubble were there are mostly positive experiences. I hear you're genuinely worried for other people, that is very respectable.
We have different viewpoints because we have had different experiences and environments. I also think that glorifying psychedelics can be very dangerous, we can probably agree on that.
i had to stop this at !9:19, but woah... what an interview
i feel the world understands better than i had hoped
.. it is exciting and breathtakingly grand and perfect
I've suffered from severe anxiety, panic attacks and clinical depression (the kind that can kill) for my entire life and nothing has ever helped like psylocibin. That said, the dose is an important factor, I've done 5g before but it had a lesser overall benefit than 1/5 of that amount usually does. For the true psychonaut, have at it but in my case 1g to 2g is more than enough and allows me to retain some level of functionality. Hyperspace is a wild place but it does not in my case confer the benefit that I am looking for. Benefits for me have been in the form of permanent changes that have allowed me to leave behind 30+ years of mental and spiritual problems, I still get sad and anxious but it is manageable now, it doesn't paralyze me and shut my life down. Strangely, they also reacquainted me with God in a personal way. In this unique substance I see only the benevolence of nature, it is a gift and it is meant to heal.
A terrifying but beautiful breaktrough experiece with DMT and the struggle of not "letting go" (cause it felt like dying) was so intense and SO scary but once I did was so immensly beautiful & peaceful. THE most important learning experience of my life in so many ways.
I still can't let go bro
Far-out, Ive not had it I would like too for some reason I'm scared, if the letting go part.
Cheers From Australia
Thanks for sharing. I had trouble letting go during a recent ceremony, started panicking and passed out. I was terrified. But I pushed through and trusted it would work out and my 3rd ceremony was much more blissful. Layers of letting go.
I tried DMT 2 years ago and I’m still not over it. I experienced death, and it was so terrifying and painful. I didn’t want to let go. I still haven’t found the words to describe the experience. You get blasted into another dimension and your hardwire to this reality is severed.
This is all so Extremely wrong. Demons are Not part of our conciesness, They are Not our " friends". They are fallen angels with great, ancient intelect who can, and Will deceive us if we let them. No matter how intelligent we think we are, they are laughing...Experiments like these are Extremely dangerous and go directly against God's Commands.
How can we EVER talk about the Bible if we offend God like this.
Dr Peterson, I honor and respect you, but I am extremely disappointed because I truly believed you should have known better. Drugs, of Any kind ( perhaps with few medical exceptions) but especially the hallucinogens are Extremely dangerous and are directly forbidden by God, not to control us but to protect us! You think you just see the imaginary monsters? No! You see reality. And if you tell people to just let go and converse with them you are pushing them straight into the arms of the devil and his army. Who, let me tell you, hates us with passion and will gladly deceive you. My Dear God, please help these poor people.....
I have never had a bad experience on psilocybin. I would be very uncomfortable laying on a couch next to people that are not tripping with a blindfold on listening to music that I don't like for 8 hours. I would not do this. Sounds like torture.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Clinicians seem clueless about the fact that people do best outside.
I didn’t to mushrooms all summer because I prefer to be outside and it’s so hot along the Gulf Coast in the summer. In nature watching the clouds are trees is the best
@@cadamham Yea. It's just too hot and muggy to enjoy yourself. Winter around a campfire with good friends is best. I never trip alone. It's best to go on that ride with friends.
No kidding, stuck in a couch for 8 hours sober is a bummer even. At least let me pace around the room or something ha-ha. I wonder if anyone did a couch dance, like just gyrated there, wiggle-wiggle. Seriously though, it's probably an issue of safety, in the legal sense, not the practical.
@@christoforos4126 I do well outside until it gets dark. Sometimes I need to go inside for some structure to my surroundings...but only if I took a major dose.
Wow what great guest, thanks JBP
Exactly my experience. Started with seeing Green Goblin Mask faces made of Geometry. Ended up learning about the need to not feel guilty. Ironically, part of the trip was to not feel guilty about seeing the demons (because you were naughty and took the substance).
conjuring up the unclean spirits
@@logosfocus Surprising to get a message from an unclean spirit that you should feel less guilty.
Mushrooms aren't that visual dude. You took lsd.
@@MunchinOnDew I can promise you it was mushrooms haha. Wanted to throw up. I didn't expect to see geometry after eating a plant.
@@passyourieltsIt's fungi though. A mushroom spore can pretty much survive anywhere including space. Makes you wonder. Mushrooms have a heavy hand in the influence of religion
Walking through a million lightning bugs at night while using a dot was epic beautiful. Walking through forest at night in the same state I had to remind myself the faces in the leaves of the trees weren't real, just my mind hyperactivity identifying the familiar image of faces but it was actually just the leaves of the trees.
Thank you Mr. Peterson
I can tell you music and eye shades is a massive part of this process. I have used the same playlists they used also which are on Spotify and they will move you in a way that is beyond description.
Whats the playlist name
@@ramonmendoza2510 Search “Psychedelic Therapy Playlist 1 (Rebuilt)” - Mendel Kaelen was the original creator of the list but it has tracks go missing so I restored it back to original. He can be searched also on there. I made a follow up one also which I built based on my own direct experiences
What's the Playlist called?
@@buckaroobonsaitree7488 i posted the name above
Thank you Jordan for sharing this video. It’s so wonderful and adorable seeing you so excited. ✝️❤️
Be soft.
Do not let the
world make you
hard. Do not let pain
make you hate. Do not let the
bitterness steal your sweetness.
Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Absolutely fascinating. I had a cancer diagnosis 2 1/2 years ago. I was given a six month survival probability if I didn’t have treatment versus possibly five years with treatment. I chose no treatment. I’ve been considering taking psilocybin for a few months now and am trying to compare my cancer fear against the fear of a monster I may meet on a psilocybin trip. I’m grappling with it.
I just smoked some unknown stuff, PCP, I think. It scared the cra. out of me but made me appreciate reality.
God is able to heal you, and He is willing to heal you, because He loves you deeply. Be healed in Jesus’ name!
You will never meet a monster on Psilocybin, don't worry
@@jordandraper5466 Thank you.
@@chrisbarrett8377 I hope not but isn’t that what this video indicates is a possibility experienced by many? I understand that the monster would be myself.
Good job. Thank you
I had to click this as soon as I read "Unknowing Subjects Taking Magic Mushrooms" as it happened to me.
Back in the early 90's a friend offered to make a cup of tea for me and two other mates but didn't bother to tell us what he made it with.
I drank it, not having the heart to tell him it tasted like crap and went to bed after I'd finished it.
I was sleeping ok but started hearing this loud banging which woke me up and as I opened my eyes there seemed to be a very tall shadow figure pointing at me, to say I shat my pants is an understatement. I curled up in a ball and hid beneath my sheets until I plucked up the courage to run out of the house and sat in the back garden while it rained until the sun came up.
Not a good idea to freak someone out on mushy's when they don't know what they're on.
And people accuse *me* of being a mad scientist ...
Well, the first rule of administering or taking these substances is that you NEVER administer these substances to someone without their knowledge. Period. Cheers.
Yes. It’s an abuse of pharmacology.
Why didn't you notice that the subjects were informed, did choose to take psilocybin, just didn't know which drug they took was psilocybin?
@@robertwilliams7777 Probably because they read the title but didn't watch the video.
Listen to the podcast. They did.
Very interesting thanks for the video
I'm not sure why this is interesting to me , but I feel that it is important to understand.
It's funny you guys relate this stuff cause I had an experience or two while smoking that "K2" synthetic Marijuana stuff while trying to cheat probation drug test some years ago. And I could've swore this super negative "demonic" like energy was pressing down on me making hyper aware of exploring these terrible thoughts I'd never dreamed of with a sober mind. I had this similar experience a couple of times and even twice since smoking actual THC dabs. Very similar anxiety feeling that i imagine is close to what a schizophrenic experiences. Anyhow ever since I've theorized that negative spiritual energy is able to use these altered mind states for heightened ability to influence human beings and have even a couple crazy correlating stories about people committing terrible crimes and claiming a demon influenced them while smoking spice or doing bath salts. So I think there's something to it tbh
I've always wondered why the end game boss in mythology is a dragon.
God bless & protect Jordan Peterson & his whole family 🌠🍀☮️📈🎉
I like both speakers very much 😊
Microdosing Mexicana shroom helps depression and some ppl I know use it. Safe and no like crazy sideffects as some other psychodelics and it heals the brain also! I have given them to my bf, mother, father. For my father (smaller doses) it helped with insomnia.
As someone who has used psilocybin, probably 10 to 15 times in my life. The anxiety and fear that happens only last until you get “settled in” to the experience. Which 99 percent of the time only last minutes. Thanks for the interesting upload
Every time I listen to jp I get so many questions I’d want ask his thoughts on. It’s frustrating sometimes!
How do sign up for things like this!? Amazing conversation love Jordan’s curiosity!
Never had a bad trip. Mildly interesting and malleable is how I'd describe my experiences, most of which were completely forgettable.
Lucky you. Thought I was gonna end up in an asylum for life on 30g of Valhalla truffles for real.
Thank you gentlemen. The work you are doing at Johns Hopkins is helping to restore our connections with nature
R..lling on the fl'r lafin'
Huh? We should not eat from the tree of confusion - not everything in nature is benign…….is good for you ! GOD made Man ( and women) to take dominion over nature in this fallen from grace into sin world. It seems you worship “ nature” rather than the GOD who created it! We are not like the animal kingdom living their life by instinct- we are a special creation, we are to use our intellect to have dominion not to be subjected to the laws of nature but to the LAWS of GOD !
I have more to say on this subject than I have time. I've taken multiple forms of hallucinogens, of decades and in different frames of mind. Curious states. Wanting to escape. To flee pain. Even to embrace pain and guilt. And dance with this "dragon" you speak on. It's my belief if there isn't a goal of making one better grounded and ready for the unknown after?, or death it's dangerous and can quickly become pointless. Or just playing with the mind and soul.
Thank you.
Where's all the ethical scrutiny of the vax?
In highschool we'd pick them after a rain when it was warm and humid in a cow pasture. Fill a 30 qt igloo cooler in 15 minutes. I thought they were funny. In typing class once the keys on mine and my buddy's typewriter seemed to be melting. We walked out of class in hysterical laughter and skipped the rest of the day until last period, football practice. 17:56
good science there, exploring the division between mind and matter, or 'natural versus supernatural', like the wave-particle duality of light
My son is autistic and it has been spoken about adderal being used to set their brain straight off early in life effective but not necessarily the best thing so I say to my mother years ago that psilocybin would be a better option for my son as opposed to adderal
Once I was tripping in the living room on psilocybin mushrooms and I was have a horrific time, literally in a demonic realm which is so hard to explain. My brother said that he saw a shadow standing over me and as soon as he noticed it it had faded back behind the couch and I snapped out of it. This happens at night but when I trip out during the day time, especially in the sunlight, I have the best most blissful trips.
Sounds horrendous. I felt like I was in a hell realm just on a space cake. Would never try mushrooms. My mind isn’t wired up for this stuff. I think there are places out there we shouldn’t visit
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You don’t see things on mushrooms bro. Your good. They make you laugh and fell funny that’s it. I’ve eaten a quarter ounce and the most that happens is you get tracers in your vision and colors look better. And little blurry and muddy when you focus on something.
@@bigzachfulyou’ve clearly never taken a good amount of shrooms before and it shows. I’ve taken over a quarter ounce of dried shrooms and hitting a weed pen ferociously. Dude you’re basically explaining the beginning, early phases of shrooms. I wouldn’t even describe what you experienced as “tripping”. Like having a bath and not drowning makes you think you can swim across the ocean and be fine, lol. People like you are why we should be careful who we take advice from. Shrooms can f*ck someone up especially if they think they can take a bunch because someone like you said it’s no big deal.
@@bigzachfulwhy are other people saying they saw stuff then?
@@someguy2016so is it just a hallucination or an actual entity? My friend has been trying to promote tripping for the last couple years because he thinks it's very helpful for your whole existence. But I have to say over the last years from him smoking decent amount of weed daily and occasionally tripping, he's become sort of boxed in a can't handle life. The guy doesn't travel more than 15 minutes from his house and doesn't really have any interest in doing things other than his specific regime. He got a gf early on into this whole journey but imo if this guy hadn't he would be sitting around the house alone just smoking and being a closed off person. So I find it hard to equate taking these things as a benefit when I see what it has done to others. I'm sure one or two experiences are ok but to take them continuously I don't think is a good thing. Also these entities seem real? Ever thought of soul possession? Not something to toy with IMO
Different music tends to bring out different entities
Different music makes you think and feel different. Think about that.
I’m watching this as a Christian like, “did this guy say to take drugs and open yourself up to demons and not resist the demonic while approaching it with drugs?”
I experienced LSD and some psilocybin in the late 60s and early 70s. Much more LSD. These experiences took place alone in a room, out in the country/nature, on city streets, and in autos. All the experiences seemed that they were unique and varied to me. I agree that about 30% were accompanied with anxiety. Any so-called "demonic" figures/entities I experienced seemed to be short-term and were followed by something else. Not necessarily demonic or even negative. However, in one case, I did experience fear that I had to flee, and flee I did, until I fell asleep. Many hallucinations were familiar people or objects transformed into some other version of themselves. For example, I had conversations with friends, where they were some other human being, manifesting as a completely different person or version of themselves.
I couldn't imagine how fearful these people were unknowingly experiencing the effects of psychedelics.
I tried it and was surprised at how limited the effects were to visuals, balance problems, and a little boost in energy.
And because I have IBS and didn't think it through, they gave me violent diarrhea, like all mushrooms do.
@blackswan1983 Effects and dose are relative to the individual.
So,,,, there's one NDE you might find interesting. The guy took mushrooms, and went on a journey that changed his life forever. He left his body and immediately got swooped up into a heated debated between Demons and Angels. He was in the center of this experience as they FIERCELY debated who gets to take him. The demons argued that he ate from their table, and the Angels (and Christ) stood in his defense. And at the end, Christ chased the demons away, telling them, this guy belong to Him. and Christ plainly told the guy, comforting him, "let's not try this again" and returned him to his body. (he almost died).
And this I believe because it's Not against God's Teaching. Drugs Are extremely dangerous and the food of demons, who are real. Our Lord Jesus Christ saved me too, in slightly different but very similar way. Playing with drugs for the sake of experiment is Extremely dangerous. Chances are a person Will die ( as it often happens everywhere) and in that case the hell is waiting.... I saw part of it, i saw the demons who was about to take me to hell, i heard the battle for my soul....And God has given me another chance ( I accidentally injested a tiny bit of fentanol, truly accidentally). Interestingly enough my boyfriend at the time who ate the same thing saw exactly the same situation....by definition, it was NOT A HALUCINATION because if so we would see a different things, we saw and heard reality behind the veil....Drugs are a pathway to Hell, sadly people don't understand.....Demons are Real, are cruel and hate us, they are much much much more intelligent then we are......and can deceive the Most intelligent among us.....easily.
Made up. Years of experience shows that the story of the trip is .ore disorganized and random unless it's your soul telling u to do pushups
@@sadhu7191 Sorry buddy if you don't think there's a spiritual world (it's quite obvious to most of us) - I mean when you look at an ant, does he know you exist? Or micro organisms? Do they know you exist?
That vase on the table is definitely a bong. Just turned so you don’t see the slide and bowl. 😂
Sacrament without ritual is just taking a trip without purpose. Ritual without sacrament is packing for a trip that you're not taking.
Fight as you go like pay as you go . Demons are everywhere
literally everywhere. But they are not all malevolent. Often not anymore than electrity or fire is malevolent.
To the muslims understnding of djinn there are many djinn that even devoutly worship God.
Imagine volunteering to participate in a lab not knowing that you're about to embark on an acid trip. Lol
Figured i should listen to this before dosing my parents
Remember: John’s Hopkins also approved of and sponsored the “Frankenstein like” practices of John Mooney! Conclusion? Beware of John’s Hopkins.
Johns Hopkins betrayed their lack of any scientific or ethical legitimacy when they went along with the covid fear-mongering.
Classical music that’s a heavy trip man you don’t want to shock and surprise people tripping there is a reason that ambient and minimalist music exists unless of course your intention was to give them a bad trip
Yes what person ‘doing drug research in the 1970’s AND then laying diverse classical music is a weird scenario. Using religious classical maybe but wagner, bartok even Beethoven …nah - this guy clings to the shallow end and be above reproach ….he could use the Beatles or Indian maybe Early Zappa and still be using classical
Jordan should also interview Rick Strassman regarding his DMT study at the University of New Mexico School of Medicine in 1990.
Magic Mushroom is Amanita Muscaria, the Fly Agaric. I did prefer Psilocybin, though but haven't done any in a long time. I saw a couple whose skin turned purplish from probably eating too many over time, on Vancouver Island.
In England we call the little psilocybin ones magic mushrooms.
If you’re turning purple, you’ve probably had to much of “a light food poisoning” 😝
we all need to know about the Dose and period of ingestion.
I don’t mind mushrooms had some awful experiences on LSD that left me feeling like part of your brain had left me forever which it had.
Nothing worse than a bad trip.
Even if you are off your dial on E’s you never lose sense of reality like you do with psychedelics
The LSD sentence is so true. Something switched off for me too
Awesome discussion. Love to see and be apart of a second psychedelic renaissance. Hopefully this time we can integrate it into our society in a healthy and balanced way.
Aren't mushroom legal in California?
foolio, these are not the answers nor the way to 'spiritual enlightenment'.. any peace or insight they sporadically offer on a hit and miss basis are just the bait to reel ppl in..
stay sober and vigilant, for the devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour
@@logosfocus I'd say it's telling the researcher says you should engage with the demon, he says you should investigate and be open. He's clearly been touched by dark spirits.
Is that a small glass bong on the (camera) left side of the table behind the guest? Sure looks like it. LOL
Is there a full podcast to this ?
why is that I get a vibe of Brave New World by Aldous Huxley when conditioning psychedelics into the collective mind . In the context of the novel, soma is a recreational drug that several of the main characters take throughout the story. The government in Brave New World strongly encourages individuals to take soma as a way to increase the happiness and complacency of the population
Pretty far off actually. That comparison fits more with medication like antidepressants. Psychedelics force a self examination of yourself and society that makes you see through the empty bs of modern day life and calls you back to nature. Pretty sure they don’t want a healthy self aware populace
Probably because Huxley had experience with psychedelics and was fantasizing about the government misusing them.
@@sharpenedge I will take your suggestion to consideration in my search for truth. I been observing the podcast of Psyched substance if you know that one. This dude has taken all the psychedelics known to man. it brings about a wild profound experience of the program of self. I know for a fact it does not lead to enlightenment or truth about reality and meaning.
I'm of this mind. This, and the underlying theme of pagan demon worship. A common denominator of psychedelic 'mushroom' religions through history is human sacrifice. Seems to be an all to regular phenomena when dealing with the 'nature spirits'.
Can’t really know anything for a fact that you’ve never tried or experienced yourself and the pioneers of psychedelic research would wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that psychedelics can’t be illuminating about yourself and life
Why can’t they just ask us LSD people what they want to know and we will just tell them.
Unreliable.
I have had a near death experience and have hade similar experiences to mushroom trips .Some are good and some were not so good .Feel different with each dose and feel better than when taking opiates for pain management
Jordon I have a suggestion, instead of pondering so much about Psilocybin why don’t you try it? I think your understanding of it might be easier.
Psychedelics will never bring forth something that was never there to begin with. The best protection against bad experiences is self knowledge. False self knowledge is what tears some people who trip to pieces!
The world is not a place to laugh and have fun, we are in a test, of course it has its troubles, we bear it with patience, we are grateful for its good aspects. In Islam, patience is very important to be thankful to people, to do good to people, to ask for help with prayers. In Islam, Allah is one and He is omnipotent, you can ask for help from Him at any time, and Allah is compassionate
@@Liberalllbty Allah is bullcrap. the only compassion you have is a comfortable lie
You are right. There were evil spirits which I was manifesting until I brought them out on a trip and from that day forward I have been sober and found God again. I was in living hell for 6 months on my death bed. I didn’t eat for a month and cried out to God and read his word all day everyday for three months until he started to show me signs.
You mean ego death. People often experience a massive ego death because mushrooms bring to the service hard truths most people don’t want to acknowledge about themselves.
@@skeelatheskink8724 yes.
Academics are out of their depth in this space.
Tell the neuroscientists that
There is a place for natural plant medicines. Though, not with ceremonial reverence. One can only serve one master and these things often require complete submission which is more than just a leaning in. There’s beauty within the process, along with temptation that draws one in but I couldn’t give away what is already sovereign and owned by the cross. Just personal experience that may not make complete sense to those who’ve not taken the journey. Fascinating, nonetheless, even at the hero plus dose.
Integrating the Demon is like a symbolic reenactment of our ancestors' first use of fire. They had to be more curious than afraid, so they approached fiery death and harnessed its power for good.
Like eating the apple. It is red the color of great warning. Eat too many seeds, you die. Also, slice the apple with a knife, and you seed the ancient flower of life. Knowledge of good and evil through weaponization of seeds. I believe that our ancestors gained knowledge through this as well. It is along the lines of Jordan's idea of the snake and red apple being a revolutionary evolutionary step psychologically speaking.
An evil man is not a singular being.
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I love this ☝🏻
It would have been really interesting to hear about these gentlemen’s own experiences with magic mushrooms, assuming they have had them, which I bet they have. If they haven’t you have to wonder why not. The most likely explanation would be that they think it is too dangerous which is problematic because in a sense they are promoting it here.
Anyway, I get the sense that they have done it, perhaps numerous times. I just wish they would talk about their own experience. A lot of people would be fascinated to hear about that.
I'm pretty sure I watched a video of JP saying he had been to a ceremony but he's never seemed to of spoken about it. I guess with how much shit he gets he has to be careful which dragons he pokes.
@@wes555 thanks appreciate letting us know
By the way Jordan, the experiences you had yrs. ago...........wow how transformative........u r a intellectual power house now! Just love your podcast and interviews and talks. It keeps my mushroom head ever expanding in knowledge and understanding of the human condition. Demon's cower whenever they encounter me.........why? Because Jesus and God helped me realize the power of conviction! God bless u and yours! Carry On!!
I smoked pot with Johnny Hopkins. It was Johnny Hopkins and Sloan Kettering, and we were blazing that spit everyday.
Dont welcome anything that appears to be spirit-like. Listen to the excorcists!
calm down. much like there are more bacteria in your body than human cells, there are more spirits in your body than human spirit.
Tell it to go in Jesus name
“Exorcists” are charlatans
Exactly
The notion that demons are only aspects of one's consciousness ignores the possibility that they are in fact real and separate entities in their own right. I'm disappointed that this is ignored or dismissed by both the researcher and Dr Peterson.
Yup. It took me a long time to realize that my demons weren't just in my head.
Galatians 5:19-20 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions." The Greek word translated as 'witchcraft' is "pharmakeia" from which we get our word 'pharmacy.' Taking drugs to have congress with demons is as old as the Bible. But ' "pharmakeia" also has positive connotations. And Paul did advise Timothy to use a little wine for his stomach problems. The point is getting in touch with demons is a sinful thing.
Belief in demons is a neurotic way to approach the deeper structures of the mind and the images it can bring up in order to communicate with us. I'd assume these gentlemen would be more concerned with the reification of unconscious image constructs than with the existence of spooks themselves.
also, the analogy of resonance, if u lean a standard tuned guitar in a corner & play music on a radio thru loudspeakers, the EADGBE strings of the guitar will vibrate/resonate
when like notes (& their octaves) play thru the speakers.
likewise, if/when a person is thinking/imagining dark thoughts & imagery, that would resonate with the vibrations of /from all other like thought forms &/or entities, imaginings, imagery & intentions.
hence the advice to pray unceasingly, & question the thoughts we think, [the voice(s) in the head] imagery & intentions, & not just blindly be lie ve what a thought says or obey it
if it's not true and for the highest good and not at war with what's true but to be at peace with what's true.
That’s the problem with materialists. They have no idea what they are dealing with. And there isn’t even a good excuse because the historical use of these chemicals is completely intertwined with spirits and sorcery.
Dr Peterson would have a great interest in the EPRC, if he hasn't heard of it already. Its the Emergent Phenomena Research Consortium-- definitely would be something I could see him being curious about. Would also love to see him have a dialogue with Dr. Daniel Ingram.
On one occasion I perceived that the bio-film on the Earth was conscious and we were nothing more than one of it's sense organs. Because the elements that come from super nova and such are kind of unique depending on the supernova like fingerprints, it then dawned on me that consciousness might be in the water. The H2O would have been floating in space for billions of years with the other elements created by the super nova/novae before coalescing into the current solar system we live in. It also dawned on me that the bio-film wanted us to expand off the Earth as it's eggs to carry life and consciousness to the rest of the universe. Looking outward at the natural world I seemed to perceive a purplish aura coming from the entirety. It was hiding itself from us because It was using us to perceive individualized free will from different viewpoints. There is much more, but that was the gist of that trip.
I smoked some laced weed 40 years ago and had a giant coloured serpent coming out of my mouth. It was frighteningly realistic. I was also intensely high for hours, and beer didn't help me mellow out. It's OK to experience hallucinations, but it's gotta be hard on your brain. Reality is not something to be routinely fooled with imo.
Was it pcp?
Taking alcohol and smoking or tripping is the sign of a fool not a pilgrim…dont take the governments drug and psychedelics togethet
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Deffo not a classic psychedelic
What if…
This that we perceive is not reality, tho~
It's certainly comforting to convince one's self that what is being seen is simply a piece of consciousness, a figment of your imagination, or a subconscious fear. But in reality, these are demons. They may change, they may present themselves in more pleasant forms at some point... but they are demons. Do you know what real empowerment is? Knowing that you have authority over those demons through Jesus Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit. Yes, I've had personal experience, and yes, I am free now for 6 years and I thank God every day that through the blood of the Lamb and the power of the name of my Messiah I have found freedom.
They're all of the subpersonalities from various parts of your brain, possibly different nerve plexi in your body as well. They're also what form dream characters and landscapes. I suppose though if you see demons every time you dream it might be a safe bet to stay clear.
@@carbon1479 you can believe what you want. I know that I was suicidal on a daily basis from the age of 10 to the age of 26. Had visions of self harm. I was a Christian and prayed all the time. But one day my husband and I engaged in spiritual warfare and I took authority over the demons in my life, and cast them out in the name of Jesus. They physically left my body. Since that day, 6 years ago, I have never once had a moment of wanting to harm myself in any way. Even through infertility struggles and the death of my first child, still I was whole and knew my life had worth and value. Only Jesus could do that. I know who I was then, and I know who I am now. The difference was Jesus Christ setting me free.
@@carbon1479😂 That has not been my experience. Thinking other entities are parts of your subconscious. That would be preferable.
@@skeelatheskink8724 if you experience it in a projective way (the way some people see external visuals when they trip) I could see you getting that impression - especially when psychedelics also increase synchronicity in the outside world (though so can ritual magic for that matter). I'm not a physicalist but I do firmly believe that we're in the most physicalism-like situation without it actually being that, ie. simulation but either an idealist or neutral monist set and setting (Donald Hoffman and Chetan Prakash, Michael Silberstein, Jason Reza Jorjani, Stephen Wolfram, that stuff). Whatever governs over this place, if it's sentient at all, seems to love absurdity of all kinds and throwing us chaos and monkey wrenches.
My psychedelic experiences have always been internal images, save if it's really high mushroom or LSD where I'll start connecting dots in my visual field to create patterns, and my emotional and meaning-making contact with them was very Jungian as well as Darwinian (trip a few times Jung will make sense, trip a lot more and Freud will make sense). The most paranormal effects were those I'd get off of something between 500 and 750mg DXM, that's where I got to feel a bit like Matthew McConaughey in Interstellar inside the black hole at the end and having strong synchronistic echoes.
I get that maybe not everyone's experience will agree but after a lot of experience with this stuff, over a couple decades, I'm forced to conclude that the entities are internal and are aspects of self in the same way that dream characters and landscapes as well as characters in DMT trips are. Obviously if you have a social relationship with them, they say you see x, y, or z tomorrow and you see exactly that - feel free to correct me, but there's not really a lot they can do to persuade me they're real unless they're actually making contact with outside reality in some undeniable way.
Hallelujah! I could not express more agreement.
Nothing to fear any longer, The serpent is in the lake of fire! Time to expand The Kingdom of our Lord!
Thirty percent bad trips is wildly high in the field. Classical music might be the reason - it's often very anxious in character. I disagree with JBP that most classical is like religous music. Trance/space music is much closer to the transcendental religous music traditions than European Classical. Go search popular culture for tripping music (even here) and see what is actually used. I can't imagine trying to deal with Tchkovsky in that state!
I would love to have been part of this study. Not being appreciated called naive. But I have no experience, yet would volunteer, no naivity needed.
Has anyone experienced a time loop and is there any explanation for that? I felt like the same thing was happening over and over and over again on a loop... that's terrifying! I still am very troubled by my experiences.
Hmm... Had this experience after taking shroom that I know the universe, that the universe is just trying to experience new thing, that we are eternal and part of the universe, that nothing really maters, as the universe will just recycle our soul to experience new experience so in essence, just enjoy your time here on this earth and live as happily and comfortably as possible as you will die and be reborn as new being, ready to experience new things again after dying, repeated until the universe gets tired of the experience and rest (destroy itself) only to get bored and start the cycle over again.
Breathe through it once you notice it. You got a glimpse of how anxiety and depression work. Seeing the thing is a prerequisite for defeating the thing.
@@flowerpt I didn't see any Demon. I do think that other worldly intelligences were talking to me through my friends... persecuting me. They knew things about my that there's no way my friends could possibly know.
@@Kopie0830 Our souls being recycled.. gives me little to no comfort as it means we lose our memory I imagine. Losing memory and losing my mom are my biggest fears. I don't care to be recylced into something else.
Timeloopitsyourbraintellingyouthechemicalsinyourbrainarereoeatingacycle
Having taken a dose of mushrooms for only the 2nd time in my life, I am 58 years old, I hear a voice in my head asked me:
" what are you doing here, this is sacred ground"?
I telepathically answered " I have these questions that I seek answers for; I seek to understand if my mom and sister are ok, their passing makes me very sad and I also seek to understand if I will die from this cancer"
"Your sister and mom are with me, there is no need to be sad, no need to worry, they are fine, stop being such a baby about this stuff, I am God, all things are transitory. As to if you will die of cancer; you probably will, but everyone dies, but again, do not be sad, do not worry, I am with you, have been with, and always will be with you, dying is just a part of the process, you will be fine, I have a place for you here, you are on the list of life, that being said, I hope not to see you here on sacred ground again until your time, there are reasons you don't understand that you should stay away until called."
Since then, I am not as sad about people I love leaving this planet and I am told I am terminal but have a different perspective on that issue. A profound experience for sure.
Please give your life to Jesus Christ. He is the only way to God the Father. He wants us all to spend eternity with him by repenting of our sins and believing on the work He did on the cross by shedding His own blood to cleanse us from our sins. He rose on the third day to show us that He has defeated death and is more than capable of redeeming us and making us alive with Him in Heaven for all eternity.
Looking for a subject? I’ve tried many different psychedelics and currently do ayahuasca 2 to 3 a month for a while. What trips people out seems to calm me down and well, the rest is personal but never seen entities like others describe. All I see is everything and feel super connected. Super high doses just make me sick with no added positive affects. Wanna talk?