Imagine Dragons Responds to Serj Tankian Beef
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Imagine Dragons responds to System of a Down's Serj Tankian. The System of a Down frontman called the group out for performing in Azerbaijan. Imagine Dragons responded in a new interview.
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2024 has been wild for music beefs. 7 months in and we've had Drake vs Kendrick, Foo Fighters vs Taylor Swift, and now Serj vs Imagine Dragons.
Dont forget Tom Macdonald and Mac Lethal as well...
@@MoshMob Mac Lethals new song is awful 💀 his older one was ALOT better, but when they had that battle a few years ago Tom obvi won. What do u think?
yeah only one of those is a 'beef'
Kendrick wasn't beef it was an assassination
PR. That's all it is.
I did not have this on my music drama bingo card.... An unlikely beef imo
Is it unlikely? Maybe. Is it really even beef? Would you say that genocide is causing "beef"? Either your humanity comes out for victims of mass criminal actions or it doesn't. Beef is a word for arguments between parties, but I have no beef with dictatorships. I have a human reaction of sympathy for those who suffer under them, and complete rejection for those who give legitimacy to said dictatorship. Such as imagine dragons. Beef as a term just trivialize the suffering.
@@nicholaswhite3457 okay
@@nicholaswhite3457he's just saying it's not something you'd think would happen, not that deep, calling it a beef doesn't mean they don't feel bad about what's going on.
One of my favorite quotes in rock history. "Fuck Imagine Dragons."- Josh Homme
Never heard this before. Right when I thought Josh couldn't be any cooler..
I strongly agree. They honestly have no talent. It's the sell your soul to get famous... Anyone can use the same loud drum beat in their songs...
@@IIIFirebreatherIdiotCrowIII you're allowed to have your opinion. Thank you for sharing.
@@Navajo41I don’t particularly like them, but saying they have no talent seems inaccurate. You just don’t like their music.
But even if they really didn’t have any talent, so what? Neither do I, but I still enjoy making music and got to the point where I can make decent songs and play some instruments, through hard work. I don’t have the ambition to get anywhere with it, but if I did, why would my lack of innate talent matter?
Judge the music, not the musician.
@@svenmify it's just my opinion that they have no talent. This new information of what they did made me dislike them even more. I'm not the best musician either but it's not my dream to be famous either. I'm sure they worked hard by selling their souls. Like I said, just my opinion. No need to be upset about it.
I remember seeing a comment reading "imagine Dragon is the soundtrack of Minium wage pay" (pretty much imply working a retail job you would hear a lot of imagine dragons) hell Talor Swift is probably the ultimate minimum wage soundtrack that you are force to hear in retail
Pretty much most of the artists who sold their souls and just play poorly written songs for money are on retail radio stations. But the good thing about the sh*tty retail radio stuff is it gets you out of the store quicker.
Hate to tell you this but all us wage slaves played soad at our. Minimum wage jobs. Only difference is it was 20 years ago when soad was still relevant.
@@daveb4093 As a retail employee, I can promise you Maroon 5 is in the wage deck.
I'd give anything to not hear "On top of the world" again because retail stores have that song in their playlist, especially knowing their stance on ethnic cleansing now
Amazon ALL DAY EVERY DAY in the warehouse
Imagine all the dragons
It's easy if you try
No soad below us
Above us only dragons
You could say I'm a dragon
But I'm not the only one
I hope one day SOAD will join us
And our song could be number 1
Soad is washed up they had a few hits never got nominated
@@Skdiehsudue1after dissing hollywood who the fuck would get nominated huh
Ai-Ai-ia vs I-E-A-I-A-I-O
LOL
OMG love this comment 😂
Peak comment🤘
Best comment ive seen lmao
Its funny that Serj mentions playing in Russia when thats literally what they did after Russias invasion of Crimea and Georgia.(When it was still cool I guess?) I dont care for Imagine Dragons and I love Soads music but man what a hypocritical way to tackle that
He still excuses russia from anything while condemning Azerbaijan. He doesn't even stick to his own values.
@@TheKarabaneraHis values are strong Russia thats able to help Armenia. Historicaly speaking, nobody cares about Armenia except sometimes russians.
@@TheKarabanera He's Armenian, is it any surprise he would feel closer to Armenians than any other group? It is hypocritical AF, but imagine dragons deserve any hate they get.
Imagine talent. That's something Imagine Dragons have to do.
They have written some bangers, that cannot be denied.
@@bASS227they qualify as bangers because they are using the same methodology all pop artists use. There are algorithms that figure out what kind of sounds, tempos, melodies, etc… that will become popular. They use these tools to make artificially “good” music. It’s uninspired and solely for generating money.
It’s not bad to like these songs, I don’t blame people because they were made intentionally to trick your brain into liking them. But it’s not really art in my opinion.
However, I’m a dumbass 22 year old kid so don’t listen to me. Enjoy what you wanna enjoy🤘
@@WickedIndigo listen to some of their more rock songs
You got a lotta balls saying that with Taylor swift as your pfp 😂
@@noahsteadmansings2241 their rock songs are subject to the same kind of thing, just cookie cutter to the rock world. It’s nothing special, it’s just radio friendly music for popularity. But…that’s just my opinion and I got nothing against people who like them. Just not for me🤷♂️
Imagine dragons has to go all the way to Azerbaijan to find people who will listen to their music
They've got good music and donate loads to charities. They have 150+ songs on their discography and the two you hear on repeat does NOT represent them as a band. Tbh I never get people who hate on artists without even listening how they sound like.
I don't remember the last time I listened to an Imagine dragons song but this is such a daft comment. They're very popular all around the world.
@@edwardgyan7586 So what? Milli Vanilli was popular around the world too. "Popularity" in today's generic, auto-tuned world does not necessarily equate to talent, and in fact it very often does not.
@@MarkMay-cr6bv dude it seems like you came here to argue with yourself. I never talked about if they were talented or not. All I said was the original comment was daft because Imagine dragons IS popular and they don't need to go to Azerbaijan for fans as implied.
@@edwardgyan7586 I was being hyperbolic
I'm not sure what to think about this whole situation. On one hand Serj has a point, but on the other, fans shouldn't be deprived of seeing a band they love based on the actions of those in power. Can we hear what Ronnie Ratkeys and Corey Taylor think about this?
Yeah, I'm totally sure that imagine dragons has a bunch of fans in the middle east. The only people that are going to an Imagine Dragons show in Azerbaijan, are a bunch of Aras Prince's and their entourage. This wasn't for fans, this was for corporate money. Secondly, if you actually know anybody who enjoys Imagine Dragons, you make sure to mock and shame them into oblivion.
You are right, imagine dragons is just a bunch of POSs
Dig a little deeper in to the mentality of the average Azerbaijani. This is not what you say it is.
Sincerely, an Armenian
@@soldierside365 They did a concert for a bunch of Arab princes, massive corporations, and the elite. It was a cash grab. You know, I've never actually met anyone who legitimately likes Imagine dragons.
@@metpachI like imagine dragons. Cross that off your list
Serj forgot to say that they also suck as artists not just as human beings
Serj Tankian is a hypocrite. If he were a truly honest person, he would also talk about the genocides committed by Armenia (Xocalı) or the terrorist organization called A.S.A.L.A that killed Turkish civilians. He doesn't mention these, if the opposite happened, I haven't heard of it. In conclusion, what I see is Serj, who looks like a human rights activist but is essentially an Armenian nationalist.
How are they more popular than SOAD then?
Easier to digest.
I like them alright. But they are less rock and more pop.
That's why.
Also WHO doesn't know SOAD???
@@bASS227Popularity and quality aren’t synonymous in this era.
@@bASS227 millions of flies can't be wrong, right?
Well on one hand, the people of that country not only endured an ethnic cleansing but also having to hear Imagine Dragons.
What? The people of Azerbaijan are the ones doing the ethnic cleansing.
@@Brandonmtlhd Azerbaijan were the ones DOING the ethnic cleansing
I feel sorry for the people of Azerbaijan that they had to endure Imagine Dragons. They are just terrible music.
😂
Nah honestly, Imagine Dragons got some bangers, you just gotta sift through the more annoying popular stuff
@@deathring7339 hit me with a track to check out?
I preferred their opening band back when they were Imagination Dragons.
Never drink and drive. Never text while driving. Please, guys...stay safe on the road
150% with Serj. Dan made a very shitty response, omfg
@@calmcdonaldp.i.2678 It's not out of thin air. You got a genocide happening in a country, are you really going to play a show there and not talk about it anywhere, including the gig if you really go there? That's not zero reason. And Serj felt that personally because guess what, he is part Armenian. A huge act such as Imagine Dragons should care about this, but it's way easier to wash your hands and avoid any controversy for the sake of money
@@felipepestana So System will never play in America ever again?
@@yukondave8389At this point? Might as well, considering the USA is active in multiple genocides right now, especially in Gaza.
Music is political, always will be. Art in general is political.
However, there is a huge difference with what you're saying. If you're American, wouldn't you want to play your music to appeal to those who share your political message? For instance, there are a lot of Americans who are not complicit in these genocides. For American artists to make art in their home nation, wouldn't it be silly to suggest that they do but play there?
Your argument has a false equivalence for that reason.
Meanwhile, if I am anti-genocide, I will boycott, block, unfollow, and not play music from these artists.
@@RageyRage82 We get it, you're morally superior to everyone, I agree you should block us.
@@JimmySnakes I would absolutely claim moral superiority over any genocide apologist. As for Serj, he is a beacon of such morals on objecting to genocide, and using his influence, and platform to do so.
What have you done? 😉
They should date and hold hands
By that logic Serj should never perform in the USA 🤷🏻♀️
Serj should do an angry song about them. I mean the guy can scream about pizzas and make it amusing
Serj one of the few famous ppl that has integrity.
Serj is basically what would happen if Zack De La Rocha read a single book other than the Communist Manifesto, and actually believed what he was saying.
He really doesn't. He acts like he does, but excuses russia from any wrong-doings while promoting banning Azerbaijan from everything with those same issues stated.
Serj was my first musical role model. I’m thankful that the things that lead me to appreciate him ring just as true today.
As for the guy, saying he supports Russia. I’m searching and there’s nothing that explicitly says that, just a lot of people making bold claims with no evidence. Just because he hasn’t publicly done so doesn’t mean that he supports Russia. I mean, look at all the famous people who ignored the Arminian Genocide. His priorities are elsewhere; he is speaking on issues that are relevant to him. Not just taking a side for the sake of PR.
I thought that was Nate Diaz in the thumbnail 😂🥊
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I'm not surprised mfkr
I see it now 😂
I thought it was Finn Balor
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There's a new documentary out talking about U2 playing in Sarajevo amid ethic cleansing there asserting that music was a form of rebellion against the genocide which helped them get through it.
Yeah, East 17. Hence the line "A time for East Seventeen?" from 'Miss Sarajevo'.
The lyrical content of U2's music is completely different to the lyrical content of imagine dragons. U2 makes music about political conflicts while imagine dragons makes corporate friendly pop music for grocery stores
@@AchillesKneel no, they both make corporate friendly pop music for grocery stores.
@@AchillesKneelyou're literally saying "nuh uh, doesn't count"
U2 played there after the war, in 1996. Bruce Dickinson had a concert in the middle of the siege of Sarajevo. Now, that takes guts
Never forget serj supported the current government in armenia ..b the one that lost the fight in large part due to its eagerness to eschew Russia in favor of the west.
Not the best call in history huh
@@SM-nz9ff he still excuses russia and continues to work in russia while condemning ID for what he HIMSELF is doing.
I don't even hear guitars in imagine dragons songs anymore.
The audacity.
They’ve already said they don’t identify with a specific genre. Don’t know why people keep critiquing them like they’re a rock band
@@shadowwyldeBecause "rock" stations are playing this genreless garbage instead of rock bands and have been since about 2011.
@@gregoryporch8395 If you don’t like it then change the station or listen to music on Spotify or something. Don’t know why people act like they’re forced to listen to them.
@@shadowwylde imagine dragons is obviously pop.
Love the babymetal shirt!
@sigmaramendid you really have to go out your way to say that, who hurt u?
Never drink and drive. Never text while driving. Please, guys...stay safe on the road
@sigmaramen A band from Japan who started really young and being women, and that famous in a lot of countries seems makes them not mid at all.
@@DeathFORcameO agreed 👍
Just wanna say love your channel, always just presenting the news as it is--very refreshing.
I definitely see both sides of this argument. Mad respect for SOAD and Imagine Dragons isn’t my favorite band but my 12 yr old kid likes them.
@hisaceinthehole3426 😂 Thanks.
SOAD's side: Please stop supporting people who carry out genocide.
ID's side: But... like... we want money.
there are good people in azerbejan, russia, nazi germany... not playing in this countries only hurts the fans, hurting fans becaose of their govermant does not make any sence at all
Music unites everybody.
Truer words have never been spoken.
@@TheRareVideosXL word is bond
music unites everybody...against imagine dragons 😆
Never drink and drive. Never text while driving. Please, guys...stay safe on the road
@@DarkLight-Ascending ever heard of Johnny Rebel? Do you think his music unites everyone?
I thought Imagine Dragons was cartoon
From what I've heard from their music, that's a pretty good description.
How to imagine your dragon
Close enough
Imagine who?
Ur mom
who tf are imagine dragons?...no one i guess....
Imagine dragon deez
A band that has outsold SOAD by 40 million albums that has been together a third of the time they have.
There a band that sucks
Guess we imagined it 🤷
@@georgehernandez2156 don't lol
I’m not defending Imagine Dragons but SOAD has played plenty of shows in countries with terrible human rights records. Maybe worry about your own track record instead of telling other bands where they shouldn’t preform 🤷♂️
You are right, they are not practice what they preach. Respectfully, but most if not all of "celebrities", "stars" are hypothetical. That's just how I feel.
in what questionable countries have they played? genuenily curious
what countries are those ?
@@littlerockstar5729 like where?
@@eyelessweather There are quite a lot of hypothetical celebrities
I can't stand Imagine Dragons and love SOAD but Serj is completely off base with this one. Performing in a country is in no way condoning what their government is doing. It's silly.
@@sebastianfischer2082 A single concert contributes next to nothing to a countrys economy. At the most it can give a very temporary boost to the immediate local economy, not the state economy. For something to have an actual positive effect on the economy, it needs to be a continuous flow of revenue over a larger timespan. Unless we're talking about something like the World Cup or the Eurovision, solitary entertainment events are not a serious point of conversation in terms of economics. Throwing these blanket terms that don't reflect reality doesn't help.
Well said Serj ❤❤❤
When my
Two favorite artists are beefing 🥲🥲🥲😅
for real dawg I love both but i am still gonna jam out to them regardless cuz well why not?
fr
id was my fav band until like september 2023
after that i discovered muse, soad and rammstein and they are my new favourite bands
i still like id though because they still have an important role in my past, so i'm kinda neutral about the situation even though i'm a litte more on serj's side
imunguion dragon is actually fart juice tbh lmaoooooo
@@LightningNoob17 what
I believe the reason people aren't playing in Russia is because of the sanctions, not because they don't want to.
serj needs to stop whining and man up. If he wants actions done HE should be doing them. Not expecting others to capitulate to his exact views. 100% agree with the guy from ID. You don't blame the people for the actions of their government. and it's dumb af to try and correlate playing a show in a country to supporting the government and their actions.
I wonder where Imagine Dragon's management stands on this? I mean it's them that booked the gig not the band.
Bro they don't care! Neither does the band. They want those 💰💰💰 you need to learn to judge people by their actions and not by what they say
@@TimmyTurner421 when people say things that are dumb af you just have to accept they are just shilling or trolling, i appreciate your heart though
Azerbaijan flashed that oil money in their faces, so they all turned a blind eye.
You are acting as though artists have no autonomy over what they do
@@TimmyTurner421 That is actually kinda my point. The fact that management books gigs to make money not friends. And to add that the band probably didn't even have a clue about any "implications" regarding the gig. To them it's just another show. As far as actions and words, in this instance they kinda don't matter. They will be told by management what to do regardless of their personal view point.
its a complicated the thing, the people are not the " government" even if you dont like the government should the people of xyz country not be able to see a band hey like ?
If you keep voting in a government committing ethnic cleansing you are absolutely pretty much culpable. Last I checked that country wasnt a dictatorship, its a democracy and their leaders are voted in.
If your country is killing other nation, then you are in part responsible. After II WW whole Germany nation was held responsible not only nazis.
It's not complicated and you're right. Making a petition to ban concerts is pathetic. There are anti-war people in Azerbaijan, Israel, Russia and all other countries. And dictatorship is called "dictatorship" for a reason, you cannot just overthrow your government. Let people at least enjoy the music.
its not about the fans supporting or not their government, its about whitewashing the image of said government to the world regardless of the citizens agreeing or not. If anything having the concert is a disservice to those fans who dont agree with the dictatorship because it will make the world believe that everything is fine when it is most defenetly not, thus making a regime change even harder
If I know my government is actively taking resources next door to me, if I have any bit of a heart the last thing I care about is my ears hearing music.
I really am not a fan of Imagine Dragons, but Serj trying to cancel them is just cringe.
Is the show for the government/military or is the show for the people.
Because bringing the people music is never a bad thing.
5:26 hold up, wait a minute. I can respect someone’s opinion, but this is a blatant lie: “I have nothing against this guy nor his band”. Brother, you literally said “Fuck their art, they’re not good human beings, as far as I’m concerned”. Don’t backpedal and be like “oh I respect their music and have nothing against them”. You CLEARLY do have something against them, you’re not only attacking them musically, you’re attacking them personally. I don’t care much for Imagine Dragons at all, but why are you backpedaling on it?
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Exactly
This isnt beef. Serj has said he has no beef with them. He doesnt like what they are doing but there is no beef between them. Please dont be like other news outlets and make it smthg its not
lol
he seems to talk A LOT of shit for someone who has "no beef"😂
@mmmmketchup7404 opinions are scary I know, that doesn't mean he's talking shit. Kids nowadays are afraid of someone having a difference in opinion and who share them strongly.
@@mmmmketchup7404 calling someone out for ignoring genocides and supporting those who invoke them is not shit talking, or beef, grow up. Dan and the rest of IM should be ashamed for what they're doing.
It is
I love SoaD but Serj just needs to stfu sometimes. By his own logic he criticizes America more than any other country despite having the vast majorities of his shows in America. The people who want to enjoy the music have nothing to do with the genocide taking place. Also what is a band from one of these countries supposed to do? Are they not allowed to make music because they are from Azerbaijan or Russia?
SOAD is a bunch of political grifters who suck at making real music
So did SoaD not perform in the US during the second gulf war? Bc that shit was disgusting.
Did they also not perform in the US during Clinton's administration? Bc what they did in South America was disgusting.
Imagine Dragons is a brand, not a band. They don't look into where they perform or what the social conditions are unless it affects them.
I agree with Serj on this, I'm just saying. I doubt Imagine Dragons or their management really care.
No talent, just syphoning money.
People like you who spew bs without having ANY knowledge of the subject they're talking about really confuse me.
I understand that Dan doesn't want corrupt leaders to get in the way of them playing for their fans. But I still think that it's messed up for them to still play the show after being informed about the dire situation and pleaded not to go. One thing that really concerns me about Dan's response is "Where do you draw the line?" Just as Serj said, would you play in Nazi Germany? Would you play in Russia? Just because Azerbaijan's situation is not as well known as the situations in these other countries, doesn't mean that it's not as terrible. And I don't say this to belittle the situations that those countries and other countries are facing right now. I'm just expressing why I agree with Serj in the fact that what Imagine Dragons did was messed up.
Yeah, so now the Azerbaijani people get wrapped up and lose out l. 😢
AC/DC, metallica, pantera and the rest played in Moscow.
Did you forget that?
Armenians sterted that war by bombing civillians, what a stupid take that was
@@VanDiemen1969 I think Serj was referring to how people wouldn't play in modern Russia now. I believe those bands play in Moscow years/decades ago.
Serj isn't exactly good either. He's hypocritical himself.
wait till serj hears about what david draiman has been up to 😂
😂😂😂
What did david do wrong? Nothing.
@@jakeangelini9470 Supporting the genocide happening in Palestine? To each their own it doesn't really matter cause he's just the dude from disturbed, but it is what it is. Nothing wrong with saying you support a little genocide, right?
@@jakeangelini9470Signed his name on a bomb...
@@SlyRyFry What's Happening in Gaza is not a Genocide, it's just that the civilians often times are caught in the crossfire because Hamas hides underneath civilian areas. Israel also sends out text messages, calls and flyers saying "Were about to airstrike this location get out now", but Hamas often says to its people "Na you're fine, we'll make sure they won't we'll protect you". By "Protect" they mean hiding under the civilian areas so when Israel goes to Airstrike said location both the terrorists and unfortunately also the civilians die. This is a tactic that Hamas uses to villainize Israel and clearly it unfortunately worked. Hamas takes advantage of how easy it is to Brainwash the west and uses it to their advantage to villainize Israel. And plus Hamas was the one that initiated the war when they committed the Horrific ethnic cleansing of 1200 Jews on 10/7, now they're are people out there that say "Well 10/7 is justified because of hundreds of years of conflict" NO IT IS NOT! So your telling me that committing a Horrific massacre at the Nova Music Festival is justified? To me it isn't.
So yeah in conclusion, what's happening in Gaza is not a Genocide. ISRAEL4LIFE!
Well.. What about Audioslave´s 2005 show in Cuba ?? Communist dictatorship didn´t stop Tom Morello from playing there !
@@sebastianfischer2082 😂🤣🤡👞
@@sebastianfischer2082 Fidel almost caused a nuclear war .... Not far off
@@toashez2410 😷
@@sebastianfischer2082 I don´t think you´ve been to a communist country before. Most of those who blame the west for everything, have no idea what it´s like to REALLY live in oppression. My man, learn to value your freedom, it´s expensive .
Yeah i don't really understand that, i live in Venezuela and recently bands like Machine Head have played here while we are literally starving, i never going to understand Audioslave or RATM even Serj supported the government of venezuela the same government that is killing us, and men im armenian i have the rights to speak about this
I love Serj and he is making a valid point here. But on the other hand , they should have never played a show in America if that was the case. Talking about ethnic cleansing and genocide , what about native americans or Iraqis? System have always raised awareness on political issues or injustices but I feel like thats a double standard.
Don't forget how the asain people were treated during world war 2 also Serj even stated bands play in questionable kingdoms so why isn't he going after them and when Serj stated would you play in russia the big reason is cause there are dangers for americans there but not in azerbaijani.
@@pauloctober-gray6397what dangers to Americans are there in Russia which are not present Azerbaijan? (Just being curious, first time hearing of something like that)
@@aho5666 the political tension between America and Russia is high right now with the threat of American soldiers possibly being deployed to help Ukraine and there is the case of the American soldiers that are held prisoner there and i don't think any U.S. Airlines are flying to Russia.
@@pauloctober-gray6397 solders who fight on an opposing side and politicians do not equate to average folk, + people usually know that a nation's political opinion is not a homogeneous mass. Someone being American does not make them Russia-hater automatically. Also, connecting flights exist (Emirates? 2 flights, A380, comfy airport in between).
That being said, if you are openly expressing opinions which are against the rulling law then yeah, of course it can backfire. In a lot of countries, not solely Russia.
In my opinion, Azerbaijan is not safer or more dangerous, it is just less famous
Native thing happened centuries ago. Soad has focused like a dozen songs about the Iraq War.
Wake up, Serj. The whole damn world is on fire. It will continue to burn long after we're gone.
Oh, he's woke enough, I'd say.
Serj is more awake than you will ever be
@@iamKilukaNothing awake about being a virtue signaller. But definitely WOKE
and what is your awakening exactly Paul?
So what better to be part of the problem than solution? Or is that your excuse for doing nothing for this world
Love SOAD's music but the more I hear from Serj the less I like him. It's admirable to stand up for a cause and to try and fight the good fight, but it's none of his business where other bands decide to play. Every country has performed horrible violations of human rights, just because it's one that's close to your heart doesn't mean you get to be the moral high ground over other bands. I wonder if he contacts every company that trades with Azerbaijan or if he just keeps his criticisms within the music industry? I don't see him criticising Kanye for performing in Russia though.
Does he think depriving fans in a dictatorship of their music will change anything the leaders are doing?
@@sebastianfischer2082 don’t be that guy 😂
@@sebastianfischer2082 Not much of a rebuttal is it?
Its about raising awareness so the world can progress and learn from mistakes. His whole life Serj has been an activist. Only people that have issue with him are simpleminded. Sorry for the bad news.
Hearing a lot of insults but not anything proving my statements wrong. You know what people say about those who have to resort to name-calling in order to participate in a discussion?
@@sebastianfischer2082 you have a right to look as simple as you please. Keep up the good work.
Are we going to get a diss track from imagine Dragons 😮now..
Honestly, Dan and really the whole band isn't the type to do that. They probably have been avoiding the beef on purpose other than the one response
Haha, oh no
Imagine Dragons makes Drake look like Eminem
They always tend to avoid negative stuff and I really appreciate them for it.
@@melissa_abbott Other than releasing music that should be considered illegal for anyone with a sense of hearing. Genuinely the only band I can say actually shouldn't exist. I'd rather listen to modern rap than imagine dragons.
@@tozmcgoz8405 Tell me you haven't heard more than 5 songs from them without telling me. You're trying to be 'critical' but only come off as a clown. 🥰
I'd rather starve than listen to Imagine Dragons
I would rather listen to Nickelback's entire discography than imagine dragons
I rather imagine dragons than listen to Imagine Dragons
@@zackzallie8735 😂😂😂
Look at this graph @@omaracuna2714
@@omaracuna2714please be kind to yourself 😭
ha! Luis Moreno Ocampo is a well known Argentinian prosecutor. Didn't know he was in the ICC
Good for Serj
Seems like Serj is using this as a way to make himself seem holier than thou.
Rich people arguing about being virtuous is so low on my list of things to care about that I regret even hearing about this stupid fued.
best comment here
I like Serjs music, but isn't that hypocrisy? He is a US based singer, and is still singing there. And US? it's quite a genocide bringers themselves. So, no, his take on this is shit.
The US has not exactly removed a culture from the face of the earth. You realize thats what genocidal means right?
@@StoneXue And so didn't Azerbaidjan. And I'm not saying that they are white and others are black. What I'm saying is, he says that Azerbaidjan is so bad, how can you tour there. And at the same time he's touring US who flattens thousands, and says something like "it's acceptable sacrifice". As I said - hypocrisy.
@@StoneXueNative Americans?
@@baykalcetinel6511 Do they still exist? Those wars happened long before any country would have interveined. We it was a serious thing to actually do that to native americans in the 1600s and 1700s, it would have happened. I know you get to feel all high and mighty and super woke bringing up native americans. Guess what though? Not a single patch of dirt on this planet that has not changed hands HUNDREDS of times by the spilling of blood and not a single human alive today can claim their ancestry were not the aggressors in some of that blood spilling. Thought you had a gotcha didnt ya? No, history is rife with brutal acts by all societies. There is no society no culture, no race no people that are actually innocent of this.
@@haotix13 Most people are hypocrites. You would actually have a difficult time finding anyone who is not at some level including when you look in the mirror. Its just human nature and the fact that geo-politics are so complex now and business is so complex and everything is so complex it would be difficult to master it all to the degree you did not risk being a hypocrite on something
Don't really care about either of these bands, but my question to these sorts of things is why punish a population for its brutal dictatorship when they have no say in the matter? Do the people of Azerbaijan not have a right to enjoy music because of something that's entirely out of their control?
Seems like it's more about Serj and him feeding his ego than anything else. Despite his grandstanding he's as ignorant to 99% of the world's suffering as everyone else. He's just pulling a Roger and using his token subject to project how much you(he) suck(s)
3:39 pure narcissism
Imagine Dragons BLOW
Literally
"I;m not going to judge someone or tell someone where to play or not to play." Then immediately judges someone and tells them where and where not to play.
Yup. The old "stop there" line. I am not_________, BUT. Should always stop after saying those things
You are just waiting to find one small inconsistency and forget to see the bigger picture. Whats going on is horrendous and imagine. Dragons worked with amnesty before. They shpuld know better.
@@robertsteinberger5667 Oh I agree, I just wish people wouldn't couch things like that. If you are passionate and need to educate a fool, just openly do so.
He meant....unless it's a genocide that the countries government is involved in. You know that's what he meant, you just thought you had a " gotcha moment" you didn't.
The lack of nuance you observe and perceive is extraordinary🤯. Rage against the machine must be a band against doing house chores to you.
I think if you're gonna say no to some countries and yes to others thats completely stupid, you either let all the politics dictate where you play, or none of it, you can't have it both ways
Screw the haters, IMAGINE DRAGONS WOOOO
Let’s go system ❤! Love you Serj, remember buying all me and my buddies nearly front row tickets at shoreline ampetgeater 2010 for graduation presents. Loved every song played and couldn’t imagine a song you could write with just this and many topics. Prayers from my home to yours❤.
Hey, I was at that show!
Has Serj ever spoke about a leader or regime that he does support?
Exactly
I think he's on the libertarian-socialist or anarchist side right? so no good states
Imagine dragons is that band that has a following but you have never met someone that likes them.
Serj has a very good point, but given the fact that SOAD had recorded some ethically questionable lyrics in the past, then out of a sudden he is acting as if he is all ethics and stuff... sounds like hypocrisy to me. But if I forget for a minute that it's Serj who is talking, then I agree with him.
us Armenians around the globe are very, very proud of Serj. 🇦🇲
Serj is an awesome guy.
Im german and they brought me to Yerevan in 2015 and I have loved the country and culture since then and visited a few times. Theyre great ambassadors for Armenia.
he is such a clown. good for you armanians.
Why are not other countries proud of such a phenomenal humanistic behavior from Serj? Not just Armenians - the whole world should stand behind this kind of statements!!
Does Serj still live in America, is he still living high off the hog from the American dollars he’s earned? Yeah, i thought so… I’m so tired of all these social justice warriors doing nothing but talk. Why is he not over there helping, he should be pouring money in that direction if he wants to help that bad. Encouraging other artists to boycott and come out their pockets while he just sits back and beat a keyboard. GTFOH Serj!
As a genocide-denier Turk who loves SOAD and hates Imagine's music;
1: Would Serj tell the same things to Imagine Dragons if they wanted to perform in Armenia? He draws the line at where countries commit genocides, or kill civilans, Armenia committed the Hojalu Massacre. I don't mean artists or bands shouldn't perform in Armenia, they should, just like they should in Azerbaijan and Turkey too.
2: Wars happen. Karabaq was once owned by the Azerbaijani (Turkic) - Perso empire Safavids and taken by Armenia long after. Now it's taken back from Armenia. Too bad wars happen, I wish everyone lived in peace but sometimes that's just not the case.
3: During the Karabaq war, more crimes got committed by Armenia and not Azerbaijan. 3 years ago during the war, according to the reports a 16 year old boy who came to his cousins' village to help them harvest their fruits got killed by an Armenian bomb shooted from an Armenian cannon. In the video of a Turkish youtuber who visited Azerbaijan during the war called "Azerbaycan-Ermenistan Cephe Hattına Gittik (TV'de Göremeyecekleriniz!)" at the end of the video he shows everything you need to see about what happened. In the 13th minute you can see his blood all over the leaves and the ground. He was an innocent boy who never attended the war and lived far away from the battlefield. You may not understand the language but you'll see everything you need to if you watch the video.
4: At this point SOAD became what they hated. They use their art for their own diplomatic ideas. If you listened to any SOAD interview where they talk about worldwide diplomatics you will see they want peace only. If you listen to the song BYOB their ideas about wars is really clear. But when it comes to the Karabaq war, they suddennly want Armenia to win, make a video for the song "Protect the land" praising their soldiers and their side of the war and collect donations for their army to win.
It would be much more SOAD-like if they made a song about how the both sides needed peace rather than making a song supporting and praising a side.
5: As well as Protect the land, Genocidal Humanoidz is a song where they talk about us Turks calling us devils. The problem is not only they are calling us devils rather than talking about the problems the "genocide" caused, they literally made a song about a historical topic that is STILL to this day historians and politicians didn't decide if it really happened or didn't.
As I said I love SOAD's art and I wish it kept on, but at this point there is no reason for me or anyone to support SOAD about anything anymore. Serj calles John Dolmayan a hypocrite but they are all hypocrites. I wish they decided to seperate their art and diplomatic ideas.
Thank you so much for sharing your time if you read this to here even if you agree or disagree
You are totally true
he will not be able to argue(prove) any of the facts that he put forward. You cannot find a single fact that corresponds to reality from ones that he mentioned. Most impudent way of propaganda.
This bro is spitting facts you know
@@sebastianfischer2082 First, thank you for reading.
I must say about the 3rd one, you're right.
But my point is not "Armenia committed more war crimes, so go perform in Azerbaijan and not in Armenia". I mean Serj Tankian wouldn't open his mouth if Imagine Dragons performed in Armenia after lots of war crimes they committed.
I can't say anything about how I can't expect anyone to believe that Armenia committed more crimes than Azerbaijan.
What I meant by "You'll see everything you need to" was not everything you need to know about the crimes committed. I meant you'll see everything about the murdered boy.
And I don't want anyone to believe that Armenia committed more crimes because I said so.
My point is that those cannons don't move around so quickly and change targets. Those cannons were conitiously pointed at civilians and villages. It's not like a soldier randomly decided to shoot a village and turned the cannon back at the enemy soldiers after shooting once. They kept shooting villages 24/7.
First of all, thank you my friend. This is just fascism and one-sided sympathization of events to people, playing for sympathy like, pile on the agony. I'm not saying anything else.
I do believe that, when push comes to shove, both Imagine Dragons and SOAD would make "exceptions" to any sort of country if they saw fit to do so.
Yes especially system and it's leftist members
When you constantly say "Genocide" you are actually becoming the boy who cried wolf. First of all, that land doesn't even belong to Armenia. Armenia occupied Azerbaijan's Karabagh region for 30 years. When they first attack to occupied the land, they committed actual genocide against Azerbaijani's in Khojaly and Susha. They are still finding mass graves in Khojaly even today. Azerbaijan finally liberated their own land, recognized by UN recently. And they allowed Armenians to go back Armenia peacefully. There is no genocide there is only slander.
When they constantly saying this, they are actually insulting people who are suffering real genocide like in Palestine, Rwanda etc. There is no evidence of any of that happened to Armenians. I know the haters will fly into this comment now trying to make a point, dude just go there and see it yourself. I've been there, there is no genocide.
And on another note, SOAD have a fan base in Turkey, you know the country the band constantly disses and claims they committed genocide against Armenians. In early 2000's one of the biggest festival organizations in TR approached them to offer to have a show in TR. Obviously the band wasn't fan of the idea and they initially refused it. The guy who owns the shows, brought Michael Jackson, Metallica etc, to TR. He is the guy when a big band comes to Turkey for a gig. He is very rich and he is very influential. The guy offered SOAD a ridiculous amount of money, millions of dollars for one show after they declined the first offer. Guess what, SOAD accepted! All that high moral talk just disappears when it comes to money eh?
Then the guy actually cancelled on SOAD and made a public announcement in TR, exposed their true face. Their brand is about hating Turks but when it comes to money they suddenly loved Turks and agreed on having a show there. He said he doesn't want to pay them a cent and he would have respect them if they didn't accept his offer at all. He just made his point and SOAD never had a show in TR.
Ofcourse you can't find these in internet anywhere. Since TR doesn't fit the narrative of super awesome Judeo-Christian centric world, anything like this gets cencored right away. In short, money talks and all those values, activism etc dissappears when it comes to money.
Same reason mr Serj likes Maduro but don't like Aliyev lol maybe Aliyev should offer couple of million dollars to him too
I mean this is just the way it is simply put... Some people truly cannot help where they were born or where they're located, and the people that occupy the area have no say in what the people in power decide to do... Why should the people that have built their lives there be deprived of seeing their favorite bands..?
First Corey and now serj lol, to me I understand where serj is coming from but then again the band is supposed to your around certain countries to be listened to fans around the world, but then again there are also bands that are from the most dangerous countries too and they're widely recognized or talked about. I mean if they have many reasons to go to that certain country I wouldn't mind it that much, but since serj is Armenian; his politics against that country is big news to his people. Unless the band decides to talk to the people and spread awareness (maybe)? But yes I am glad serj came back to make music again and etc, and I'm sure people will be hungry for another album of theirs in SOAD lol. It's just if they had business or a reason to tour therr and that's their business, but going out of your way to berate them for performing there is kinda harsh tbh, I mean if that was me I kind of wish I could spread awareness of that, and be honoured at the same time of the legendary vocalist 😅.
5:25 "I have nothing against this guy or his band."
Other than that you think they're terrible human beings? That aside, they're alright.
So really Serj shouldn't play in the US by those standards. I say bring your message to the heart of totalitarianism and play in washington dc!
I believe they haven't toured for years and years.
Serj doesn't like dictators... But when you speak about Venezuela's Chávez or Maduro, he just loves them.
I think he apologized for that.
@@anon11. I didn't know that. Gonna find out
He cleared that up just saying
@@Rag_ab you are right. I just saw bc I wasn't informed
Serj clearly doesnt mind armenian dictators and taking ppls land as long as the land is azerbaijani))
Who are these slippery slopes? I imagined dragons…
Love your shirt ❤
I'm with Serj all the way. Idk how anyone can disagree with his point.
Would you play a show in biden run USA?
What about biden run Isreal?
What about biden run Azov battalion?
What about biden run Gaza?
What about biden run Syria?
What about biden run Haiti?
The show is for the people that show up, not the person with the most power in that particular place.
Some don't care about politics. Should we judge those that ignore it for the benefit of their own mental health? Because I certainly don't care what games the politicians play... because back when I did it made me very unhappy. I am much happier ignoring all the toxicity.
@@anthonyhill6150
Biden said President Putin of Ukraine and Vice President Trump will make sure everything is okay.
What toxicity? The toxicity of our city, of our city?
😔 Sorry, boss...I tried to take it back, it was too late...
Is he still selling his records there?
I get serj's side, but at the same time you only have a platform to have your voice heard because of your fans and yet you deprive your fans because of a couple of clashing egos.
Is that what youre calling a genocide? A "couple of clashing egos"? Jesus
@@andrewvasquez7872 well, imagine dragons barely has any fans, so it's probably the only place they could sell a show.
Plenty of fans in other countries
Well then like Serj said, would that mean you would've felt the same way if nazi Germany was still in effect and thought it was ok to play there just because they have some fans in the country?
Your point being...?
Serj is right.
The second I hear a slippery slope argued my skin crawls
Imagine Dragons is rock music for people who don't like rock music.
System is rock for people with Autism. They’re both niche bands tbh
@@saintleoraunt2341SOAD is music for The Son of a Shepherd!
Imagine dragons are unquestionably in the right. Collective punishment is abhorrent, people shouldn't be punished for the actions of their government.
I understand Serj's point, but do not the people get to decide? Are the people bitching about the band performing?
100000000000% back serj in this.
😄😄😄😄🤡
İ watched this video in Karabakh, thank you 😊
Soon you wont be
@@Rag_aband yet you are welcomed because azerbaijani are not nazis like armenians
Serj needs to ease up. Fuck imagine dragons and their shit music, but music is about bringing people together. He just comes across as out of touch.
Ignorant point of view in my opinion, I hate Imagine Dragons but music fans anywhere should have the right to see their favorite artists regardless of politics. That's why the beatles played in soviet Russia, music unites us all. Serj is a fantastic musician but he tries too hard to force his politics onto others
I guess the fact he's from a country that experienced genocide makes him a little bit passionate about it
@@jeniquekasai9423 About as passionate as a feminist walking past a frat house
The point that was missed is that the people there are going through enough, without having Imagine Dragons inflicted on them 😂
Serj always screaming about people doing there jobs in areas where the leaders of that country are dping terrible things.. its none of his business tho tbh..
Look I get that it's a touchy subject, but not every person there is guilty, it's not right to punish everyone for a few ppls actions, Ever think that maybe they were there for the FANS not the government?
Exactly they are there for the supporters not the government
L take. You don't support Russia or North Korea either.
@@oo0OAO0oo Yes I do.
Israel is actively blaming and bombing Palestine for the efforts of Hamas, what’s your point? Rules for thee I see.
What?? @@eastwaters4082
I'm not a huge SOAD fan but I'm siding with Tankian on this one, mostly because I've got no love for overhyped and very mid pop acts like Imagine Dragons.
This is not about your music preference, this is about morals. But, of course, what matters here is your opinion that Imagine Dragons is 'mid' (when you've probably heard 2 songs from a 100+ song discography)
But System Of A Down had no problem playing in America despite all their unjustified overseas actions? Don't get me wrong, I love Serj, but tbh even though I hate Imagine Dragons' music I agree with the guy, you play for the fans, not the government of the country you're touring in.
What other kind of Dragons are there?
Komodo.
@@tompriceusmc Bearded, Chinese water and sailfin dragons as well. though none of those can eat a goat whole ... Komodo for the win!
Azebaijan can keep Imagine Dragons.
You are like rock n roll keemstar
Serj has a solid point about playing there, but imagine dragons have solid money
Guess who wins
1.) Serj is one of the biggest hypocrites in metal. Bro really left his band, and complained about not making enough money even though they were one of the biggest bands in the world at the time. Selling out stadiums.
2.) You will never hear him talk about the ethnic cleansing involving Uyghurs in China because that would mean he would have to criticize communism. Which is a big no no since he him self is a commie.
3.) If you ever see the things he has said/claims made about Trump you would know that he a radical leftist who kicks, and screams to get whatever he wants. Acts like an actual child, and insults people he disagrees with.
4.) Whatever and Wherever anyone should be able to go and play, thats entirely up to them, and you're not going to shame them out of a position that they openly hold.
5.) Saying Imagine Dragons makes bad music is not an argument, and is entirely opinionated.
You’re completely right. SOAD has great music but it’s important to note that Serj is really a bad guy.
The thing you didn't add to your little list is that Serj is Armenian. Of course he feels strongly about a band that would ally with any Turkish entity, as The Turkish are responsible for the Armenian Genocide - something the entire band has tried to bring attention to and spoken out against many, many times.
@@antimaxsmacks I'm not sure if your agreeing with me or trying to poke wholes in my statement.
If it's the ladder then does that make it okay for the a CCP to exterminate the Uyghurs? They have a Turkish origin.
Or is it safe to say that Serj doesn't actually care about justice or at the very least is very hypothetical with whom he chooses to be "humanitarian" for.
@@antimaxsmacksFeeling strongly about something doesn't make it ok to be a hypocrite.
1.) Serj called out Daron for unfair shares of band revenue, promotion, creative input..
2.) Serj is known as one of the most vocal celeb against any ethnic cleansing.. so that’s bs
3.) Any anti-trumper is immediately a crybaby, funny logic
4.) “Would u perform in Nazi Germany?”..
5.) ..irrelevant