Ronnie Radke Files Defamation Lawsuit Against Anthony Fantano

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  • Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
  • Falling In Reverse singer Ronnie Radke has filed a defamation suit against music critic Anthony Fantano. The lawsuit contends that Fantano defamed Radke in an August 2023 video.
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  • @jennafishy97
    @jennafishy97 21 день назад +247

    *takes a deep breath*
    *heads to comments*

    • @MRptwrench
      @MRptwrench 19 дней назад +2

      Ditto. I'd like to Add: -Examine outrage. -Exhale.
      -"I'm not insane". (Repeat as necessary)
      - Realize the entire world does not suck.
      But there will always be people that suck.
      - Endure.

    • @ClockworkGFX
      @ClockworkGFX 18 дней назад +4

      I'm surprised there were this many literate Ronnie fans honestly.

    • @fbgmduck
      @fbgmduck 17 дней назад

      @@ClockworkGFX do you copy and paste? 🤣🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @faithskoczylas6492
      @faithskoczylas6492 15 дней назад

      Exactly what I did as soon as I got this notification for the video lol

  • @shawnhussain7713
    @shawnhussain7713 21 день назад +482

    The thought of Ronnie in court is hilarious to me 😂

    • @reginaldvonsnufflepuff6054
      @reginaldvonsnufflepuff6054 21 день назад +32

      Popular monster video comes to mind 😂

    • @shawnhussain7713
      @shawnhussain7713 21 день назад +23

      @@reginaldvonsnufflepuff6054 I feel like the drug in me is you video is a real accurate representation of Ronnie in court

    • @invaderhemp
      @invaderhemp 21 день назад +17

      He's been in court many times, this is how I know all these people who think the dude's done nothing wrong are new fans who don't know jack shit lol Y'all don't remember when he was involved in a murder and did prison time, got pissy when his band understandably had to replace him and acted like a manchild about it ot for years, the first FIR album being essentially ALL about that, and then senselessly threw a mic stand in the audience because a heckler pissed him off, resulting in the hospitalization of someone completely different, one of his own fans. "Oh but he paid her bill" and it effected him in no way whatsoever except bad press lmao And that's just small shit, this isn't even his first rodeo with sexual assault allegations

    • @rodamos7979
      @rodamos7979 21 день назад +28

      @@invaderhemp you spend waaay too much time worrying about another man

    • @iMixMaSteR1
      @iMixMaSteR1 21 день назад +14

      Go read his wiki page. He's a vet in the court system.

  • @Sultanofsimps
    @Sultanofsimps 21 день назад +640

    Bro in this day and age falsely accusing someone of sexual assault is a lame thing to do

    • @Masta_Frog
      @Masta_Frog 21 день назад +13

      tell this to kendrick lamar please

    • @marissawolff8491
      @marissawolff8491 21 день назад +4

      @@Masta_Frog
      Yeah, there's really no proof of Drake being a PDF file, so Kendrick is wrong about that.

    • @CreedScott1776
      @CreedScott1776 21 день назад +34

      @@marissawolff8491wheres your proof of this??

    • @berniceeast7389
      @berniceeast7389 21 день назад +28

      @@marissawolff8491 That is not true. That is the point of his rage. He’s sick of being falsely accused. People just keep spreading it around like it’s fact.

    • @mikeygraves16
      @mikeygraves16 21 день назад +9

      Yeah I dunno I kinda think we considered that lame in just about every day and age

  • @ClockworkGFX
    @ClockworkGFX 18 дней назад +185

    Biggest surprise about this came in the comments. I didn't know Radke had so many literate fans. This must be the largest gathering of them all ever.

    • @fbgmduck
      @fbgmduck 17 дней назад +17

      the fact that there are literate haters impresses me more bud. but to each their own. we all have our walks in life. but the internet lets you hide behind a faceless account and keyboard right? 🤣 makes you feel big and strong. because if you said that to anyone's face, yours would not look pretty after. that is why you people stick to the internet with this shit. your safe space. and before you use your buzzword, no I am not "triggered" I am tired of you people and something needs to be said. In person, on the internet, wherever cause you wouldn't do shit either way. 😘😘😘😘😘😘 have a blessed day

    • @ClockworkGFX
      @ClockworkGFX 17 дней назад +46

      @@fbgmduck that's a lot of angry sounding words to say you aren't mad. 🤣

    • @fbgmduck
      @fbgmduck 17 дней назад +6

      @@ClockworkGFX you interpret it however helps you sleep at night pal. facts don't care how you feel. 👍👍🤷🏻‍♂🤷🏻‍♂ but if you want to project your feelings on me and call me angry by all means: live your life, be lgbtq and blue.

    • @JoostCraanen
      @JoostCraanen 17 дней назад +25

      ​@@fbgmduck least insecure radke fan

    • @fbgmduck
      @fbgmduck 17 дней назад +1

      @@JoostCraanen probably not accurate. he has a lot more fans than me. but I mean you can keep trying to take stabs at me all you like. 🤣🤷🏻‍♂️ I'm a lot less paper thin than you people that keep coming at me over my one comment 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 meanwhile @clockwork copies and pastes his single comment about literate fans I lost count of how many times I read the same one so yeah. you're all the same but keep trying to be different 🤦🏻‍♂️👍🏻💁🏻‍♂️

  • @studdedleatherlace
    @studdedleatherlace 21 день назад +637

    People need to stop throwing these types of allegations around willy nilly, it destroys LIVES. And when they do, there SHOULD be consequences for it.

    • @immaculatemisconception8133
      @immaculatemisconception8133 21 день назад +11

      It's sad and unless people stand wtf

    • @jimijamesjowitt
      @jimijamesjowitt 21 день назад +56

      I think first people need to stop throwing random women around if they dont want indecent assault allegations.

    • @potato2387
      @potato2387 21 день назад +42

      Too bad Ronnie did it.

    • @studdedleatherlace
      @studdedleatherlace 21 день назад +44

      Dude was found NOT GUILTY in a COURT OF LAW on these charges and even the DV case got thrown out (because it was bogus and there was no evidence). She found out he was dating another woman behind her back, went to his place and showed OUT, then called the cops and said all that stuff, and he was later found NOT guilty and the DV case thrown out because she was a woman scorned who made the whole thing up. The ONLY thing he's guilty of is lying/cheating and being a bad boyfriend. Which is not illegal. There's no evidence to back up her claims OR yours for that matter. I bet Amber Heard was telling the truth too and doesn't deserve any of the backlash. 👌🏼

    • @deliriouswhome1
      @deliriouswhome1 21 день назад +11

      ​​@@jimijamesjowittyour comment makes no sense..
      That's like saying I shouldn't steal, if I don't wanna be charged with murder.

  • @douglassmithe9799
    @douglassmithe9799 19 дней назад +132

    I rewatched the original video, he never actually called Ronnie Radke a r*pist. Fantano just said Ronnie was harassing victims of SA on twitter while showing screenshots of him arguing with a woman on twitter who apparently accused him of assault (not SA). That feels like pretty weak grounds for a lawsuit imo, I reckon Ronnie is just trying to silence his critics.

    • @michaelgraham9774
      @michaelgraham9774 18 дней назад +40

      Everybody's hopping on the Fantano hate train just cause they don't like him as a reviewer I think. I doubt most of these people really care or know much about Radke

    • @KornKobb
      @KornKobb 17 дней назад +9

      @@douglassmithe9799 he presented it as him silencing a victim like what she accused were facts though, that’s the grounds that he’s being sued on.

    • @dembuck610
      @dembuck610 17 дней назад +4

      Exactly, this suit is honestly frivolous

    • @SkylerDK
      @SkylerDK 16 дней назад +7

      @@KornKobbplease go get a real life and some friends. Whether the singer is innocent or not doesn’t mean you need to be out here running defense for an accused abuser. Get help.

    • @BrettHoubler
      @BrettHoubler 15 дней назад +4

      You don’t have to say exact words to understand exactly what someone’s implying. It’s call passive aggressive and simply means fantano didn’t have the balls to say how he really felt. We’re hopefully all adults here until he’s actually charged with some sort of actual proof let’s not run our mouths like a bunch school girls gossiping because we’re sad our lives aren’t going as good as his. 😁 have a good one fellas.

  • @RyanCrase1
    @RyanCrase1 21 день назад +124

    People need to stay out of the lawsuits and accusations of others. The Internet can sure suck.

  • @BrandonPerezOne
    @BrandonPerezOne 21 день назад +413

    Fantano acts shitty to a lot of people. He finally met his match. The energy you put out there comes back to you.

    • @Pokethememedealer
      @Pokethememedealer 21 день назад +15

      Trash vs Human garbage

    • @mxfool1508
      @mxfool1508 21 день назад +27

      ​@@Pokethememedealer Can you please enlighten me, which one is Fanton and which one is you

    • @lifeordeath13
      @lifeordeath13 21 день назад +3

      @@mxfool1508 maybe can't decide, then he will just choose both...

    • @Pokethememedealer
      @Pokethememedealer 21 день назад +26

      @@mxfool1508 fantano is trash, Ronnie is garbage, I'm not involved

    • @villesuutari9528
      @villesuutari9528 21 день назад +1

      ​@@Pokethememedealer and why exactly is Ronnie garbage?

  • @ApesMcCoy
    @ApesMcCoy 19 дней назад +69

    I like how most of the comments are from people who haven't watched the Fantano video and are just assuming he's in the wrong.

    • @freshskittles92
      @freshskittles92 17 дней назад +26

      typical radke defenders

    • @eliasmg9144
      @eliasmg9144 12 дней назад +6

      Not even that, it's guys who didn't even like fantano in the first place and are just this as an excuse to dunk on him

  • @Samickmalibu
    @Samickmalibu 21 день назад +817

    Thank god I'm not the only one that dislikes Fantano

    • @JediShoalinVigilante
      @JediShoalinVigilante 21 день назад +63

      Fantano is beta

    • @Werewolf914
      @Werewolf914 21 день назад +81

      I can't stand him all he does is make videos whining and hating on every single band pretty sure he hates all and any form of music and musician

    • @RubexQewb
      @RubexQewb 21 день назад +17

      I watched him a lot during 2013-2017 cuz his reviews introduced me to a lot new metal bands I never even heard of , I’ll give him that but now all he does now is complain

    • @metalbrainmextrememetalent6810
      @metalbrainmextrememetalent6810 21 день назад +44

      You probably hate him cause you have bad taste. He’s a decent critic.

    • @creepofreako
      @creepofreako 21 день назад +36

      ​@@metalbrainmextrememetalent6810 🤢

  • @jc1424
    @jc1424 19 дней назад +109

    This is funny because I just watched the video since it's still up and Fantano never made a statement claiming Radke sexually assaulted somebody. He just mentions the allegations and how Radke has handled them.

    • @KornKobb
      @KornKobb 19 дней назад +15

      @@jc1424 it’s how it’s presented.

    • @KornKobb
      @KornKobb 19 дней назад +14

      And in watched the video it is presented as facts…

    • @jc1424
      @jc1424 19 дней назад +23

      @@KornKobb no

    • @AvidCS
      @AvidCS 17 дней назад +9

      No he mentions the assault was sexual assault

    • @jc1424
      @jc1424 17 дней назад +5

      @@AvidCS nope

  • @robr135
    @robr135 21 день назад +111

    So an emo guy is suing a bald guy? I have an idea for a sitcom.

    • @A7X062388
      @A7X062388 21 день назад +6

      RONNIE EMO? lmfao you must be slow.....

    • @ascension6699
      @ascension6699 21 день назад +16

      @@A7X062388yeah Ronnie is super emo. You even listen to his lyrics?

    • @joeprokop9348
      @joeprokop9348 21 день назад +10

      ​@@A7X062388dude he litterally wears a hat that said emo cowboy ..pretty frequently

    • @honiahakaa
      @honiahakaa 21 день назад +2

      Ronnie is a nice guy come on

    • @oleksiistri8429
      @oleksiistri8429 21 день назад +1

      @@honiahakaa emo != badguy, what are you talking about? Yes Ronnie was always emo, now he is not THAT emo as he was, but still. And there is nothing wrong with that either way.

  • @tomorrowwestport2620
    @tomorrowwestport2620 21 день назад +295

    Fantano is what we like to call in the uk ‘a nob’

    • @RedHoodFH
      @RedHoodFH 21 день назад +12

      A British cigarette indeed

    • @gregoryosbun4141
      @gregoryosbun4141 21 день назад +6

      True, but in US there's a phrase we call someone who acts like that, but unfortunately I cannot say that word here.

    • @tomorrowwestport2620
      @tomorrowwestport2620 21 день назад +4

      @@RedHoodFH no…we call cigarettes fagggg ooooh hang on I gotcha

    • @QuestNation3221
      @QuestNation3221 21 день назад +16

      A Knob you mean

    • @LightningPuppet
      @LightningPuppet 21 день назад +3

      SO is Ronnie

  • @NoneeStarseed
    @NoneeStarseed 21 день назад +92

    Sitting here with a MEGAPINT of wine waiting for updates.

    • @lillymoon7506
      @lillymoon7506 21 день назад +2

      I use megapint and water synonymously

    • @oleksiistri8429
      @oleksiistri8429 21 день назад

      same, lmao

    • @RavenTheBlackheart
      @RavenTheBlackheart 21 день назад

      ok Mr Depp XD

    • @mamatat1313
      @mamatat1313 21 день назад

      😂 this!!!

    • @squigglyarmz197
      @squigglyarmz197 20 дней назад +3

      honestly I wouldn't care what he did or has done if the music was good. It's called separating the art from the artist, but I can't take FIR seriously Ronnie tries way too hard to be edgy for his teenage girl fan base(no offense to any fans, just my opinion).
      The first time I heard FIR I seriously thought it was that joke band 21 pilots deciding to go metalcore LoL

  • @just.some.dud3
    @just.some.dud3 21 день назад +320

    I'm not really a big fan of either of them, but Fantano needs to be knocked down a few pegs. That guy has been free reign talking shit about people for years.

    • @gregoryosbun4141
      @gregoryosbun4141 21 день назад +29

      True, but this is far worse than talking shit about someone. This is lawsuit territory and for once his mouth will cost him big time.

    • @nathanielbables8652
      @nathanielbables8652 21 день назад +1

      100% on that last part

    • @whitneyryan-ng1cq
      @whitneyryan-ng1cq 21 день назад +9

      Free reign as in, like, freedom of speech?

    • @whitneyryan-ng1cq
      @whitneyryan-ng1cq 21 день назад

      @@gregoryosbun4141 Well, anyone who can afford to file a lawsuit, can file a lawsuit for anything they want.

    • @KornKobb
      @KornKobb 21 день назад +17

      @@whitneyryan-ng1cq as in falsely accusing people of stuff they did not do.

  • @robnagy1408
    @robnagy1408 19 дней назад +52

    Ronnie is the most insecure in pop/metal history

    • @-The-Golden-God-
      @-The-Golden-God- 17 дней назад +5

      Wait until you're someone of worth and are then publicly accused of sexual crimes; see if you'd let that slide.

    • @wintertrooper7918
      @wintertrooper7918 17 дней назад +9

      ​@@-The-Golden-God-sure but that's the thing he's not suing his accusers he's suing a dude who reported on them and gave his opinion
      Now tell me what's the difference between this Anthony dude and Ronnie's actual accusers?
      That's right MONEY Anthony has more money than Ronnie's accusers

    • @-The-Golden-God-
      @-The-Golden-God- 17 дней назад +2

      @@wintertrooper7918 What a ridiculous comment 😂 It's always funny when people think that they're making a profound point, when in reality, it's absolute brain rot.

    • @wintertrooper7918
      @wintertrooper7918 17 дней назад +5

      @@-The-Golden-God- it's simple fact Ronnie has no case

    • @clairesmith9574
      @clairesmith9574 16 дней назад

      Maybe do some research before you make assumptions?

  • @pikachu3b366m
    @pikachu3b366m 21 день назад +160

    Good.
    Fantano needs to be held accountable.

    • @xkillrocknroll1
      @xkillrocknroll1 21 день назад +4

      Facts.

    • @JayRamahi3810
      @JayRamahi3810 21 день назад +22

      For what? Free Speech? I thought Radke and his fans were about that 😏

    • @Dave7heRave
      @Dave7heRave 21 день назад +18

      @@JayRamahi3810 Free speech and false, serious allegations are 2 entirely different things

    • @skree_fpv436
      @skree_fpv436 21 день назад +11

      @@JayRamahi3810This isn't a free speech issue. Fantano is free to say whatever he wants but if he is defaming someone, then yeah, he should be held accountable. What he said about Ronnie was proven in a court of law to to be false.

    • @alexlief2072
      @alexlief2072 21 день назад

      The real question is, does Anthony Fantano give a shit? Will he do the same thing again?

  • @wintertrooper7918
    @wintertrooper7918 17 дней назад +7

    I don't know if Ronnie has a case here because it doesn't actually sound like he's saying that Ronnie did it but is rather implying that Ronnie is trying to silence the people accusing him

  • @awesomeplushproductions
    @awesomeplushproductions 19 дней назад +31

    Ronald McDonald doing what he does best: being a clown

  • @ExTiNkT91
    @ExTiNkT91 20 дней назад +146

    People need to understand the difference between talking shit and throwing out wild statements to a large audience. Calling ronnie a rapist and shit aint right. Fantano deserves to be sued.

    • @matthewtaylor1592
      @matthewtaylor1592 20 дней назад +16

      Thank you, finally someone with a brain

    • @StevieMcKenna10
      @StevieMcKenna10 19 дней назад +7

      Yeah usually with it being Ronnie I'd say suing is over the top but when I read that..yeah no, you can not like the music but comparing it to a r@pist is too far

    • @christopherhuff3123
      @christopherhuff3123 19 дней назад +10

      You can't win in court because you don't like something that someone says about you. He wasn't arrested for rape because someone said something in a review. No one cancelled his shows because they believed what this other guy wrote. His feelings are hurt. That means nothing in court.

    • @VHS_NEON
      @VHS_NEON 18 дней назад +10

      @@christopherhuff3123 He was arrested based on claims. Claims that ended up leading nowhere and him not being charged or accused of it. There was zero proof of anything. Meaning he didn't do anything. So calling him that means you're attacking his reputation and throwing around false claims. For this you can absoltuey be sued.

    • @FIyingDumpling
      @FIyingDumpling 18 дней назад +4

      ⁠​⁠@@VHS_NEON it doesn’t mean he didn’t do anything, it just means there wasn’t enough evidence for a conviction.

  • @christopherhuff3123
    @christopherhuff3123 19 дней назад +15

    There was a kid in every grade that couldn't fight but was always threatening to sue someone.😂😂😂 Just as soft as toilet paper. If Radke didn't lose his freedom or career because of it then he hasn't been DAMAGED. If there are no damages then he isn't going to win. Just pathetic

    • @DerekScheel
      @DerekScheel 16 дней назад +1

      I hope you aren’t applying that Ronnie Radke can’t fight or that he’s soft lmao because I’m screaming laughing at that 😂😂😂 you must be young and didn’t know Ronnie before Falling in Reverse existed cause buuuudddddyyyyyy 😂😂😂 2007 Ronnie before he went to prison 🥴

    • @Cbjfg_Cliff
      @Cbjfg_Cliff 16 дней назад

      So what if he wins are you going to come crying here later don’t come .

  • @NickSibz
    @NickSibz 21 день назад +98

    Good on him. So sick of these false allegations assholes thinking they can say this stuff with zero repercussion.

    • @wintertrooper7918
      @wintertrooper7918 17 дней назад +2

      Except this is going to be a major loss for Ronnie because no where in the video does he directly call Ronnie anything that this suit claims. implications are not going to cut it especially with Ronnie's record

    • @Cbjfg_Cliff
      @Cbjfg_Cliff 16 дней назад

      @@wintertrooper7918and if it dose then what ?

  • @Signal_in_the_noise
    @Signal_in_the_noise 19 дней назад +31

    People defending Radka is hilarious….dude is the most insufferable person on the internet hands down

    • @zconiglietti
      @zconiglietti 18 дней назад +3

      That's a stupid statement. You can not like the guy but don't wish bad upon him. What would justify that. Obviously if he's done something wrong sure but this is like every guys nightmare

    • @dw2176
      @dw2176 18 дней назад +4

      sorry who are you? oh thats right. Nobody.

    • @freshskittles92
      @freshskittles92 17 дней назад

      yo is that the paracletus album art in your pfp? if so, fuck yeah
      if not, nvm

    • @Signal_in_the_noise
      @Signal_in_the_noise 17 дней назад

      @@freshskittles92 definitely is. Huge DsO fan

    • @Signal_in_the_noise
      @Signal_in_the_noise 17 дней назад +1

      @@dw2176 oooof what a BURN..that was really clever. Nice one.

  • @bigjermboktown6976
    @bigjermboktown6976 18 дней назад +6

    I've never even heard of Ronnie radke until this channel. It seems like every other video is of this guy

  • @Arinisonfire
    @Arinisonfire 19 дней назад +64

    Its gonna be so funny coming back to these comments when Ronnie loses the case lmao
    Yes, calling someone a domestic abuser when theyve never been found guilty of domestic abuse is grounds for a lawsuit, but calling someone an ALLEGED domestic abuser is not grounds for a litigation. Ronnie has no case.
    Whats even funnier is that since the suit is being filed in California, Ronnie has to pay all of Fantano's legal fees unless he wins the case. His dickriders have no idea how cooked he is

    • @ronnieradke8605
      @ronnieradke8605 19 дней назад +5

      homie California law states you cannot repeat defamation.

    • @devonboyer626
      @devonboyer626 17 дней назад +14

      @@ronnieradke8605 You don't seem like a very objective or fair voice in the matter. lmao If there is no defamation, then there is no defamation being repeated! Calling some an ALLEGED SA perpetrator after they have been accused of SA is not defamation.

  • @gabrielshinoda666
    @gabrielshinoda666 19 дней назад +32

    So ronnie spends his days mocking people online for being "snowflakes" and "butt hurt woke kids" but then does the ultimate thing when someone has thin skin and can't stand when someone says mean things about him.

  • @raoulduke2924
    @raoulduke2924 15 дней назад +12

    Radke heads literally regarded bro. What a widdle baby who couldn't handle Fantano's criticism.

    • @wesichi
      @wesichi 11 дней назад

      legit. he talks about how 'woke and insecure and weak' people are today but throws a tantrum when somebody mentions his domestic abuse charge, or the time he was involved in a murder, or the time he assaulted an underage fan

  • @420NEWYcod
    @420NEWYcod 20 дней назад +20

    ronnie isnt a good dude. lawsuits like this can backfire.
    ie actual evidence coming to light.

    • @LordAizen-wh4yw
      @LordAizen-wh4yw 17 дней назад +1

      So bad that several high-profile and respected artists defend him and continue to work with him...yeah, he's such a bad guy!

    • @saturn5087
      @saturn5087 16 дней назад +1

      I doubt Ronnie would file the lawsuit if there was more evidence and he thought it could be dug up

    • @NOISECOREMafiaTV
      @NOISECOREMafiaTV 15 дней назад +2

      @@saturn5087he’s not smart enough to have that level of foresight

    • @StevePhoenix
      @StevePhoenix 14 дней назад

      @@LordAizen-wh4yw Weinstein was defended by many respected actors, directors and executives, so was Epstein, both of whom turned out to be complete monsters.

  • @trendmassacre8423
    @trendmassacre8423 20 дней назад +47

    Ronnie isn't f*cking around, it's good to see him standing up to a RUclipsr who think they can get on here and spread false information and call them childish names. It's so typical of these juvenile adults who think they can get away with bullsh*t without consequences!

    • @HeR3tOSt4Y
      @HeR3tOSt4Y 17 дней назад +2

      He’s a huge crybaby

    • @wintertrooper7918
      @wintertrooper7918 17 дней назад +5

      Exceot all Ronnie is doing is flushing money down the toilet because a youtube video upset him
      The fact is fantano never called him a r*pistol or anything like that and that's they key point that his lawyers will make and with Ronnie's record he's already going to be looked at far more driticalky than the other dude

  • @wordedsauce5580
    @wordedsauce5580 19 дней назад +21

    Ronald's been the most fkn annoying musician for like 15 to 20 fkn years now, he can't handle critisism and just sues anyone who tells him he's trash (which he is)

    • @pocketdreamau
      @pocketdreamau 15 дней назад +5

      also cries about free speech and 'getting cancelled' and then proceeds to sue everyone for defamation.

  • @wooly9976
    @wooly9976 21 день назад +82

    Good, this dude needs to be held accountable for saying false things like this. You can’t just make accusations like this about anyone.

    • @gregoryosbun4141
      @gregoryosbun4141 21 день назад +9

      Especially with the accusation already proven to be false

    • @CLew9
      @CLew9 21 день назад +21

      Which is ironic since Ronnie has literally accused Chris Motionless of sleeping with underage girls

    • @Milo-it1tf
      @Milo-it1tf 20 дней назад +12

      @CLew9 I’m not really surprised that Ronnie would say that, he has the mentality of a five year old

    • @dembuck610
      @dembuck610 17 дней назад +8

      Fantano actually didn't accuse Radke in that video

    • @EmeritusTemples
      @EmeritusTemples 17 дней назад +1

      Did you not watch anything but THIS video? You'll learn that the accusations were false. -_-

  • @murdermitten7702
    @murdermitten7702 3 дня назад +1

    0:35 what a great choice of screenshot 🔥 "you talk a lot but you don't even know me"

  • @bobkilla430
    @bobkilla430 18 дней назад +10

    I don't like fantano, but i will be very surprised if this lawsuit goes anywhere. Ronnie has to prove fantano knew that the allegations were false and fantano did not just do lazy research. Ronnie is a public figure, which means defamation is held to a much higher standard.

  • @peterrhines1516
    @peterrhines1516 20 дней назад +7

    Radke seems like such a dirtbag at times though, I"m just saying, he starts a lot of shit

  • @Nun195
    @Nun195 18 дней назад +8

    Seems like radke wouldn’t want a team of lawyers digging skeletons out of his iCloud closet…

  • @BklynZu
    @BklynZu 21 день назад +78

    Honestly Fatano sometimes go overboard with his personal feelings about certain artists hopefully if this lawsuit goes through it will teach Fantano to keep his personal biases too himself

    • @FortuneFinders
      @FortuneFinders 21 день назад +16

      Hopefully he stops making videos altogether, he doesnt know a single thing about what good music actually even is, so he shouldnt have a platform where he can spew his dumb opinion.

    • @BklynZu
      @BklynZu 21 день назад +4

      @@FortuneFinders that's the truth

    • @Hoganply
      @Hoganply 21 день назад +11

      @@FortuneFinders He should be allowed to have a platform, but no-one should listen to him.

    • @neneargueta8332
      @neneargueta8332 21 день назад +3

      @@FortuneFindersyou know, not liking falling in reverse doesn’t mean you automatically have bad taste…

    • @FortuneFinders
      @FortuneFinders 21 день назад +6

      @@neneargueta8332 oh I don’t like falling in reverse. I meant in general, I’ve watched his videos. The only music he claims to be good is the worst garbage imaginable

  • @xkillrocknroll1
    @xkillrocknroll1 21 день назад +63

    Like or don't like someone (including Radke), you can't just make claims like that and get by with it.

    • @queso2723
      @queso2723 21 день назад +5

      Unless your ronnie he can get away with anything and uses cancel culture as an excuse for his actions

    • @miras-nurtazin
      @miras-nurtazin 21 день назад

      ​@@queso2723can you elaborate on that?

    • @emie1170
      @emie1170 21 день назад

      in the name of youtube drama and sweet virtue signaling karma points anything works right?

  • @BlazeFrost161
    @BlazeFrost161 20 дней назад +61

    Okay im tired of seeing this comment with people saying he got his "feelings hurt" which is why he is suing. Sexual assault allegations are very serious and can ruin a persons reputation and life, this is a DEFAMATION lawsuit for the SA allegations, not because some dumbass on the internet was making fun of him.

    • @aibrainlet8041
      @aibrainlet8041 18 дней назад +12

      Please don't ever become a lawyer. All fantano said was that there have been SA allegations made against him, and there have. Fantano himself is not claiming SA against Radke, on his own or anyone else's behalf. Fantano is a music journalist. It is not defamation to claim the guy has had SA charges, and further more not defamation to publish himself questioning if where there's smoke there's fire. That's why it's about his fefe's. There is no legal grounds here in which a journalist can be charged with "defamation" when they are speaking, even in an opinionated way, about facts. In fact a defamation lawsuit would hold more ground against the woman he got into it with on Twitter, than it does Fantano who simply brought that interaction to light. Just cause you loser don't like freedom of the press and free speech, doesn't mean it's not real

    • @RafitoOoO
      @RafitoOoO 17 дней назад +1

      @@aibrainlet8041 journalist lmao

    • @wintertrooper7918
      @wintertrooper7918 17 дней назад +4

      ​@@RafitoOoOfair but still he does technically fit the word even if by the bare minimum

  • @legbacola1414
    @legbacola1414 21 день назад +26

    I appreciate you giving us the news with no bias. Thank you!

  • @popdanish4969
    @popdanish4969 16 дней назад +6

    lmao ronnie is so soft

  • @Apacolypse87
    @Apacolypse87 21 день назад +37

    Ronnie is a bully that can't take any criticism

    • @rock2537
      @rock2537 21 день назад +5

      Thank you…

    • @BlazeFrost161
      @BlazeFrost161 20 дней назад

      Criticism = Sexual assault accusations?

    • @Milo-it1tf
      @Milo-it1tf 20 дней назад +4

      Finally someone with common sense, he literally tries to ban anyone on RUclips who doesn’t like him, he has the most fragile ego that I have ever seen

    • @Elias-qj7dq
      @Elias-qj7dq 20 дней назад +3

      saying he is a rxpst isnt good criticism

    • @Milo-it1tf
      @Milo-it1tf 20 дней назад

      @Elias-qj7dq well if he didn’t have songs that have lines like statutory r@pe people have every right to assume the worst

  • @CYB3ROP7iX
    @CYB3ROP7iX 20 дней назад +12

    When your reputation already sucks, good luck proving financial impact from this.

    • @jr2904
      @jr2904 20 дней назад

      Sucks with who? Leftists?

  • @jessickalush3305
    @jessickalush3305 21 день назад +157

    Fantano sucks

    • @miguel213
      @miguel213 21 день назад +3

      like Primus sucks

    • @Signal_in_the_noise
      @Signal_in_the_noise 19 дней назад +6

      Radke is way worse you guys are delusional. Most insufferable person online..and I don’t even like Fantano.

    • @miguel213
      @miguel213 19 дней назад

      @@ippoverse BTW: "Primus sucks!" = "Primus doesn't suck. This is how we, the fans, show love to the band."

    • @Qualithony_Contentano
      @Qualithony_Contentano 16 дней назад

      And Bradley Lehmann (BradTasteinMusic) cause he was also involved in this as much as Fantano was.

  • @themonsteraddictmmxvi1564
    @themonsteraddictmmxvi1564 19 дней назад +13

    Lmao yall really out here defending Ronnie Radke. Yall DUMB 😂😂😂

  • @thomasanthony5021
    @thomasanthony5021 21 день назад +131

    Fantano is kind of a terrible person, not just for this, there’s a lot of other things about the guy that are disturbing.

    • @gregoryosbun4141
      @gregoryosbun4141 21 день назад +5

      Hold up, what exactly do you mean by that? I'm new about this fantano person so I'm only learning about this one. What else is there that I'm not aware of?

    • @jdjenk04
      @jdjenk04 21 день назад +41

      @@gregoryosbun4141
      He just blatantly makes shit up about other people. His music criticism falls to the wayside and his personal feelings towards people comes out.

    • @passingaway
      @passingaway 21 день назад +2

      @@gregoryosbun4141 honestly, all you really need to know is his only good reactions/criticisms are the Kendrick Lamar reactions. that says a lot for someone who has been reactions/criticisms for 17 YEARS.

    • @gregoryosbun4141
      @gregoryosbun4141 21 день назад

      @@passingaway SERIOUSLY?! Only that one he actually did was with Kendrick Lamar!? WTF!

    • @gregoryosbun4141
      @gregoryosbun4141 21 день назад

      @@jdjenk04 and that's about a majority of the time I'm assuming he does that?

  • @danielserrano343
    @danielserrano343 21 день назад +24

    So he has decided to "cut the grass to expose the snakes" really quickly!

  • @SneedTechIndustries-gf5hn
    @SneedTechIndustries-gf5hn 21 день назад +22

    Ronnie's SA is so easily, and has been done so in court, disproved that to level it against him is a sign of being genuinely stupid, uninformed, or malevolant (or all of the above). Fantano is genuinely going to eat shit on this.

  • @cambix7459
    @cambix7459 21 день назад +22

    Fantano doesn't deserve a platform that he has. Hope the lawsuit hurts him greatly.

    • @whitneyryan-ng1cq
      @whitneyryan-ng1cq 21 день назад

      Freedom of speech, am i right?

    • @cambix7459
      @cambix7459 21 день назад +4

      @@whitneyryan-ng1cq Freedom of speech has nothing to do with defamation. You can't just yap fake accusations against people.

  • @postaldude9779
    @postaldude9779 21 день назад +6

    Is is possible if both of them can lose? Because i want that

  • @jenniferroselynn
    @jenniferroselynn 21 день назад +1

    i'm glad you're out here pounding these keys, not for us so much but to get the real story out for the industry...

  • @MortonCammar
    @MortonCammar 21 день назад +15

    Don't get me wrong I dislike Radke as a person, but falsely accusing someone of sexual assault is never okay.

    • @Milo-it1tf
      @Milo-it1tf 20 дней назад +4

      The guy went to prison for letting a person get murdered and beating a fan, I wouldn’t be surprised if it actually is true

    • @RafitoOoO
      @RafitoOoO 17 дней назад +2

      @@Milo-it1tf he went to prison because when someone got killed he shouldn't be there because of parole, not because he had anything to do with it.

  • @DXGypsy
    @DXGypsy 12 дней назад +1

    Fantano looks like if you unmasked a ninja turtle. I can't wait for Ronnie to win everything in the trailer Turtle Boy lives in.

  • @jasontheworldisyours
    @jasontheworldisyours 21 день назад +9

    "reckless disregard of the truth"

  • @spacecrimebeatz
    @spacecrimebeatz 21 день назад +2

    Fantano nothing that people don’t already think about Radke.

  • @squigglyarmz197
    @squigglyarmz197 20 дней назад +18

    The Ronnie Radke public image rehabilitation channel. LoL
    Meatriders

    • @DrMantisToboggan69
      @DrMantisToboggan69 20 дней назад +1

      Sad Fantano fan boy exposed

    • @squigglyarmz197
      @squigglyarmz197 20 дней назад +6

      @@DrMantisToboggan69 sorry I don't like 'metalcore 21 pilots' or whatever he calls his band.

    • @iceyroo
      @iceyroo 20 дней назад +3

      My life is like a video game!

  • @ToNoodleOrNotToNoodle711
    @ToNoodleOrNotToNoodle711 21 день назад +27

    I hope Ronnie takes everything Fantano has😡 What that guy said is absolutely appalling and disgusting 😡😡😡

  • @thousandwattflowerpot5419
    @thousandwattflowerpot5419 21 день назад +22

    Everything Radke does turns into a Headline. Good for him.

  • @sillysiji5257
    @sillysiji5257 19 дней назад +6

    Mister "hardcore" suing of mean tweets is laughably soft

  • @Fallinginreverseportugal
    @Fallinginreverseportugal 21 день назад +16

    It's about time someone do something about that guy. Good on you Ronnie 🖤

  • @TheQuadrum
    @TheQuadrum 21 день назад +2

    Here’s the one I’m waiting for:
    Rock Feed: This just in. Today, Ronnie Radke did not lose his bands laptops, verbally fight Sebastian Bach, get sued or sue anybody. Instead he played an acoustic show to showcase his abilities and to prove that he is worth the hype and attention this channel gives him” 🤘

    • @evareynolds3110
      @evareynolds3110 20 дней назад

      He literally did an entire acoustic tour several years back.

  • @CoutinhoPogba
    @CoutinhoPogba 21 день назад +45

    Fantano isnt music critic. He knows nothing about good music.

    • @Zizzy7
      @Zizzy7 21 день назад +2

      100%. He comes across as someone who wanted to be an artists and just couldn't make it. He went for the next best thing (for him), but how TF can you criticize music if you couldn't even make it yourself. He is so clueless. Love or hate Ronnie (I am in the former group), there is no denying that what he is doing is genius and musically so so good.

    • @studdedleatherlace
      @studdedleatherlace 21 день назад +6

      He tends to be a bit pompous when it comes to his musical opinions. I don't get what makes him anymore qualified than anyone else to judge a piece of art. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. People put entirely too much stock into this guy's opinion. Don't get me wrong, I used to really like Anthony but he's gotten increasingly pretentious over the years... That's just my two cents.
      And he's "spoken out" on several people in this way and I feel like somethings you just shouldn't comment on at all, at least until you have all the facts. I think he just doesn't like the guy and he wants to come off as the "I support all victims" type now. But supporting victims and backing up liars are two different things. At least make sure you know the facts first. He was found NOT guilty in a court of law on the SA and the DV charges were dismissed completely because they were unfounded. She found out he was cheating and went to his place and flipped out, then called the cops in anger and (scorned) made up these allegations. He's guilty of being an unfaithful boyfriend and nothing else. And that doesn't give her a free pass to make up allegations intended to destroy his life because that's what these accusations DO.

    • @Zizzy7
      @Zizzy7 21 день назад

      @@studdedleatherlace perfectly said, great comment!

  • @_-pf_gd-_
    @_-pf_gd-_ 17 дней назад +5

    Fantano catching Ls is always nice to see, hopefully he looses.

  • @mutantdog.
    @mutantdog. 21 день назад +14

    Imagine Ronnie filing this lawsuit at any other point in the last year when he didn’t have a new album to promote.

  • @koonsickgreen6272
    @koonsickgreen6272 18 дней назад +1

    Nah. No actual ill intentions. It's misechoeing other publishing. The suit will be tossed out

  • @brandonharris9160
    @brandonharris9160 21 день назад +24

    I don't even like Ronnie Radke, but good for him. It is insulting to see Fantano who sits in air conditioning getting paid thousands of dollars to have a highfalutin platform where he tells if music is "good or "not good", judging artists who put much more effort and talent than Fantano does just to get disrespected. It's such a sheepish move to insult and bad mouth a human being based on RUMORS that they weren't there to witness. Not only is our legal system full of flaws getting innocent people in trouble often times, people's rumors are FAR MORE FLAWED. People are subject to lying. If Ronnie is truly innocent, I hope he wins and embarrasses Fantano

  • @MorganBunkley
    @MorganBunkley 21 день назад +28

    Yes!!!! Ronnie, do this to Sebastian and Eddie next, pretty please

    • @GP-Music.
      @GP-Music. 21 день назад +2

      Lol THIS!

    • @chipchippahson
      @chipchippahson 21 день назад +4

      What would he sue for? Bickering? Don't be childish.

  • @BrainWasherAttendent
    @BrainWasherAttendent 21 день назад +41

    I’ve always thought fantardo was an absolute loser.

    • @youknowimright.3137
      @youknowimright.3137 17 дней назад

      Niether him or ronnie are losers .... both of them have successful careers for what the do sooooo that proves they aren't losers.

  • @savvyburritos
    @savvyburritos 21 день назад +4

    i like fantano and i like ronnie😫he didn’t need to be defamatory to ronnie but critique is free speech, just doesn’t need to cross the line like he did here

  • @JesG.
    @JesG. 21 день назад +44

    Finally I'm sick of fantanos bs

    • @Milo-it1tf
      @Milo-it1tf 20 дней назад +2

      Wow you must be so fragile if you hate a guy for just giving his opinions on music

    • @Cbjfg_Cliff
      @Cbjfg_Cliff 16 дней назад

      @@Milo-it1tfjust like fantano hole fan base hate anyone for having different of opinions yall no different.

  • @weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee360
    @weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee360 21 день назад +2

    Defamation lawsuits rarely go anywhere though

  • @jonfarley2711
    @jonfarley2711 21 день назад +85

    Good. Fantano sucks.

    • @kiethveseyofficial
      @kiethveseyofficial 21 день назад +2

      And with Radke sinking Falling In Reverse's (LITERALLY) reputation even further. 😂😂

  • @blairsy7836
    @blairsy7836 21 день назад +6

    About time!! Way to go, Ronnie. 🔥❤️🤘

  • @darthcheeseburger
    @darthcheeseburger 21 день назад +6

    Just playing Devil's advocate here but is Fantano not just discussing current 'music news' in a journalistic way? Isn't that protected under free speech and RUclips copyright laws etc.? I think if you launch a lawsuit for defamation you have to also prove it has grievously affected your livelihood and reputation. It's not the easiest to prove. He'd have to prove shows were cancelled or music sales were impacted directly by Fantano's comments.

    • @PriestHxC
      @PriestHxC 20 дней назад +2

      No he isn't discussing current news. He is discussing past allegations that have been dismissed in court or never brought up in court. And for this lawsuit he doesn't have to prove lost of sales unless there is a monetary amount he is asking for due to lose of income.

    • @PriestHxC
      @PriestHxC 20 дней назад

      And I hope I am right on this but the point of a defamation lawsuit is to nip it in the bud BEFORE it becomes an issue. And if it has become an issue, than monetary value from loss of income can be asked for.

  • @travisjacobs715
    @travisjacobs715 21 день назад +10

    When you equally dislike both people and wish they would just both go away.

  • @ItzGlitchyy
    @ItzGlitchyy 21 день назад +6

    Serves Fantano right tbh, like I don’t want him to be sued out of existence, I just think there’s a lesson to be learned that you should do your research before you say things like this

    • @SugarMilk99
      @SugarMilk99 21 день назад

      You can’t be sued to the point where you can’t post RUclips videos lol! But either way, he’s just a RUclipsr who wants to be a music critic so bad for some odd reason.

  • @delix787
    @delix787 21 день назад +5

    The thing about Anthony Fantano. He doesn’t care about his audience’s opinions and his own audience’s doesn’t care about his opinions either! So the entire channel is about just being entertained without really respecting each other’s thoughts or caring about each other.
    It’s very strange over there. 🙁

    • @caseyjones3522
      @caseyjones3522 20 дней назад +2

      you new to the internet or just life in general?

    • @delix787
      @delix787 17 дней назад

      @@caseyjones3522 are you implying that every critic is the same as being human trash to their audience? Are you new to the Internet, kiddo? 🙈

  • @JustALittolBear
    @JustALittolBear 21 день назад +24

    I’ve seen exactly one Fantano video and my immediate vibe was “Oh this guy makes polarizing and combative opinions just for the views .” I think Ronnie is one of the only people who is actually holding this kind of internet culture accountable. Sometimes I think Ronnie goes too far (not this case with Fantano), but I also think that’s necessary because playing it safe and in the middle would accomplish nothing at all

  • @mrragebomb3212
    @mrragebomb3212 21 день назад +1

    This. This is what I needed to wake up to. Fuck around and find out.

  • @franklopez5997
    @franklopez5997 21 день назад +81

    Fantano sucks 😂

  • @py16667
    @py16667 21 день назад +29

    How about both of them are insufferable?

  • @anonam0us328
    @anonam0us328 20 дней назад

    Hold people ACCOUNTABLE. ALWAYS. Including the liars.

  • @austinsaunders3769
    @austinsaunders3769 20 дней назад +3

    Throwing around false SA accusations should be punishable the same as a SA charge in my opinion. Knowingly spreading something false at that level is 100% unacceptable and more people should have repercussions for their actions like this

  • @mckay91095
    @mckay91095 17 дней назад +1

    Fantano has always struck me as Bitter and Resentful in his Reviews, almost like he's Jealous of Real Musicians.

  • @matthewduncan572
    @matthewduncan572 21 день назад +17

    People are taking ronnies side in these comments? Disappointing

  • @TOGade-dj6jh
    @TOGade-dj6jh 17 дней назад +1

    1:27 Never heard of Fantano and now I never will watch anything from him that might turn up in my feed. As a critic you’re supposed to criticize a creation or performance, not their personality or any of that.

    • @boofingenthusiast
      @boofingenthusiast 17 дней назад +2

      You must not be a real music fan. Every actual enthusiast is familiar with Fantano…

  • @blakeoms
    @blakeoms 21 день назад +29

    Does Fantano make music? Anyone?

    • @killerdemon5357
      @killerdemon5357 21 день назад +6

      I don't even know who the guy is 😂

    • @sandi25_25
      @sandi25_25 21 день назад +11

      No, he evaluates (criticizes) music! Strongest indicator that someone can NOT make music!

    • @Albeetrosss
      @Albeetrosss 21 день назад +1

      I respected his overall takes on music until this

    • @PCamron90
      @PCamron90 21 день назад

      Yes, he's played bass for several years.

    • @CyPhaSaRin
      @CyPhaSaRin 21 день назад +2

      @@killerdemon5357 ngl that says more about you at this point.

  • @EmeritusTemples
    @EmeritusTemples 17 дней назад +1

    Maaaan I was kinda hoping Ronnie was just angy that Fantano doesn't like his music.

  • @AlexBBMiniMe
    @AlexBBMiniMe 21 день назад +23

    Glad I'm not the only one who hates Fantanos reviews cause they're not reviews lol

    • @trapt29
      @trapt29 21 день назад

      I've said it for years, dudes a joke.

  • @DeltresePshanks
    @DeltresePshanks 19 дней назад +1

    I dislike both of those people in the thumbnail, so I'm going to continue scrolling

  • @Hoganply
    @Hoganply 21 день назад +8

    With the confidence he projects, I assumed Fantano had actual musical knowledge. He's no Simon Cowell, if that's who wants to be.

  • @Factive0
    @Factive0 17 часов назад

    My problem with this case is as a defamation lawsuit, as I doubt fantano could've possibly impacted ronnie's income or already somewhat poor reputation more than has been hurt already by himself

  • @AT-vj2mz
    @AT-vj2mz 20 дней назад +3

    Just because he says he doesnt do it, doesnt mean he didnt do it

  • @iamnatatata
    @iamnatatata 21 день назад +2

    they’re gonna be friends after this i feel… 💀💀💀 cus this def wasn’t on my bingo card … so ig anything is possible

  • @yourmainmanstan6751
    @yourmainmanstan6751 21 день назад +22

    Ronnie radke does suck

    • @Milo-it1tf
      @Milo-it1tf 20 дней назад +1

      He acts like he’s the toughest guy ever just because he went to jail

    • @Signal_in_the_noise
      @Signal_in_the_noise 19 дней назад +2

      Dude harassed me for weeks because he had his little girl feelings hurt. He really is an unhinged weirdo all of these fanboys have no idea

    • @yourmainmanstan6751
      @yourmainmanstan6751 19 дней назад

      @@Signal_in_the_noise dude like 40 something and acts 14 it’s embarrassing, he will reply to anyone the criticises him, even me when I said Sebastian Bach was a better singer then him and he told me that he had a video of Sebastian Bach high on coke running around naked playing fletch then ask if he was a nice person for showing people the video

  • @tyweisenburger8480
    @tyweisenburger8480 16 дней назад

    Why is it always someone who looks like a sex offender is the one making false statements about someone else being a sex offender?

  • @fgcfdfjTheMusicAndYTPArchiver
    @fgcfdfjTheMusicAndYTPArchiver 21 день назад +37

    Anthony Fantano Fell Off
    Edit: i made an crappy response

  • @crochetedcritterz
    @crochetedcritterz 21 день назад

    This is the prequel to a series of videos in the Ronniverse. Actually there is a long list of videos that can be watched in order to hear the story. He has a "trilogy " story that involves the songs that should be watched in order 1. LOSING MY MIND 2. LOSING MY life 3. DRUGS. The lastest videos they released also have an order to watch in.

  • @storytimespectacular
    @storytimespectacular 21 день назад +26

    Take fantano out of streaming. Dude has gotten wildly narcissistic and isn’t even that knowledgeable about the things he talks about.

    • @gregoryosbun4141
      @gregoryosbun4141 21 день назад +1

      If the lawsuit is successful, that could very likely happen.

    • @lol858lol
      @lol858lol 21 день назад +4

      Freedom of speech, Ronnie D riders 😂

    • @michaelhutchings8599
      @michaelhutchings8599 21 день назад +4

      ​@@lol858lol Liable isn't free speech. You're completely free to liable people, but expect a lawsuit.

    • @whitneyryan-ng1cq
      @whitneyryan-ng1cq 21 день назад +1

      @@michaelhutchings8599 Well, at this juncture he's only been, you know, accused of liable. Innocent until proven guilty, am I right?

    • @michaelhutchings8599
      @michaelhutchings8599 21 день назад +1

      @@whitneyryan-ng1cq I didn't say he was guilty.
      The presumption of innocence is the basis of justice.

  • @brandonespinoza9990
    @brandonespinoza9990 20 дней назад +1

    I’m the fan of both of these guys, but I really do hope melon loses. Probably should’ve just not said shit that day.

  • @unholycrucifilth
    @unholycrucifilth 21 день назад +9

    S.A. Is being used here very loosely. He can talk all this shit he wants about anyone but when it comes to him he goes and cries about it

    • @redeyedrednek
      @redeyedrednek 20 дней назад

      Whats it like to be so jealous of another human? Seems sad and pathetic.