they should make a DSLR that also has a EVF popup like how they do on the fuji Xpro hybrid viewfinders, you get the best of both worlds of through the lens composition and real viewing as well as all the advantages of a EVF at the flick of a switch. i think ditching DSLR is a great tragedy as there is a lot of benefits to DSLR over a mirrorless
Once I got into EVFs I couldn't look back. Really helps for lowlight/concert photography. I remember shooting a wedding with both and I just couldn't do OVFs anymore lol. Six to one!
What's up with the THUMBS DOWN votes?? 1. This man is giving us his valuable time. 2. He is sharing his high-level knowledge and real-world experience. 3. He clearly states when he is sharing an "opinion vs "fact." Wow, I am taken back by the unwarranted cynicism, as well as the public's fear of learning from successful people.
I keep reading posts about how OVF is more “immersive”, “You're losing the connection to the atmosphere you want to capture” with an EVF. I went on a photo walk with a friend and we saw a bird sat on a branch, we had just walked from a bright daylight shot to a shot now in shadows. I adjusted my shot though the EVF before I took the shot and captured the bird first time. My friend took a shot, preview mode, adjust settings, took shot, preview mode, adjust settings, missed shot because the bird flew away. If you want atmosphere and emersion then go for walks without a camera, if you want a photograph of the moment then take a camera with the best tools for the job. Photography is about capturing the moment, preserving the memory. If a Gimmick as some of you are calling EVF helps you capture the moment then its no longer a Gimmick it’s a tool.
@@factsnchill168 Even those professionals did find a very hard time nailing a shot in one go. The fact that you don't even get to have any preview of what the exposure of the photo would look like after it's taken is already a massive hindrance to capturing once-in-a-lifetime moments. No wonder why modern day images of flying birds in the wild look better in terms of exposure than those that were captured with DSLRs because the photographers already see the close preview of the final image, and they could also be tracked down in burst really well because of no blackout happening. Capturing fast-moving subjects and making them as still as rock was even better with mirrorless that could freeze motions up to 1/32000s shutter speed, compared to 1/8000 on most DSLRs of the past. If it's just being able to see the live scene from my naked eyes, then I'd rather take my camera off my eyes and see it all by myself without any equipments right in front of my eyeballs. If DSLRs were really still that good, then Canon and Nikon shouldn't have stopped making them and still released as many models of those type of camera to compete with Sony's mirrorless lineup.
Omw, that might explain why my photos are always a stop or so underexposed on the Sony, i always have the evf and lcd set to the brightest settings (even in bright light or dark scenarios, so basically always) and I've gotten so lazy i hardly check the histogram or exposure, so when i get back to lightroom i often find the pictures are underexposed. Great tip Jared and I'll definitely consult the histogram and light bar more often when shooting manual.
One big difference is seeing more dynamic range through the OVF - especially for someone shooting something like landscapes. During a sunny day or bright sunrise or sunset, your eye and ovf will be able to see more shadows and highlights then the EVF can show you. Not a big deal in most situations and wont affect the final image but it can make the experience better
What is photography if not the experience. EVF certainly is less immersive but for certain situations, it certainly is beneficial (especially with video being a huge component nowdays in these cameras)
Its a marketing gimmick. I remember when DSLR video revolution began in 2009 (and I was part of it), one of the things that went AGAINST dslr video was that you cant see through the viewfinder when recording is on. The analogy that was used was "imagine as a photographer, when you look through the OVF, all you can see is the live view", and now the same thing is propelled as. "revolutionary". Sure its good for video/hybrid. Sure it has its own place and sure people will benefit from it. But as a photographer, ovf is simply more "hands on" and immersive.
whats the point of seeing more dynamic range? whats the point of having a clearer, better, more real life view? if i want to enjoy the landscape i put the camera down and see it with my eyes. when i see through the viewfinder, the point is to make a correct composed and exposed image and thats way easier with an EVF, because in the EVF you see in fact your image, in an optical viewfinder you see just "real life".
I recently held a nikon crop camera in my hand and tested it out (nikon D500) and noticed how dark the viewfinder looked compared to my FX camera (D750). I can see how a crop camera user would parhaps like the image more out of a electronic viewfinder.
Seeing Jared use a Sony and a Nikon side by side warms my heart. At one point mirrorless got zero love on this channel, but they have progressed and earned the respect of the fro with Sony pushing the entire industry forward
Camera snobs still manage to put Sony down at every opportunity, highlighting minor perceived weaknesses as if they were major deal breakers, while falling over themselves to praise the new Canon and Nikon mirrorless as if they were somehow innovative, while blatantly ignoring huge omissions in spec, looking at you McKinnon and Northrop with your recent Canon whitewashes. I was 100% Nikon for twenty years, the last five all Sony and no complaints at all and love the smaller size with the particular lenses I use.
Meanwhile Canon has the best EVF displays on their mirrorless cameras, compared to any I've seen. If I didn't just look at a Canon EOS M50 in a store, I wouldn't be here. I also looked at a few other brands of camera to compare. I'll admit, this is 8 months after the comment above was written. Things are still progressing pretty quickly when it comes to EVF displays. The M50 has a very high refresh rate, OLED display which looks awesome, and is 2.36mp, so just above 1080FHD.
very helpful video, very precise and easy to understand, it will help a lot of photographers. the camera is only the tool to take picture, you still have to have good knowledge to be a good photographer. In the meantime, most of the people buying mirrorless regardless how to take better pictures, because its a new technology and its much lighter to carry around. that's the advantages to attract buyers.
Jared! Thanks for showing me the LCD Loupe! I was just starting to get into "Live View" and this is exactly what I need to really bring it all home. Game changer, for me. Thanks for all you do!
I personally use both because I own two different cameras and there are advantages and disadvantages to both tbh. But live view with the electronic view finder is very nice!
100% with you, I'm still waiting for a nice small format (light weight), full frame and OVF. The Fuji X-PRO3 if it had the Full frame could have been... But nope Fuji had something else in mind....
Very helpful. I am more convinced that EVF is not for me, unless I am shooting video. I would prefer to see what the lens is seeing; optically. Its more immersive, at least for me. But this does have some benefits (especially in video and to check exposure while you are composing). The more information on EVF is just a hindrance, you just need some basic checks underneath.
but whats the point of that? i want to see what the sensor sees, because the sensor takes the image an not my eye. to have it more "immersive" just put your camera down and look with your eyes...
To be honest I'm not even bothered with video - I get into so many angles with video I actually prefer using the rear screen - save my back - that's my new mantra. 😀
Yes, but cameras have shutters and irises. A DSLR has a manual button to activate the iris. Jared showed where it is. However, the resulting image is often so dim that you can't tell much at all about the depth of field.
You get a lot of negative critique Mr. Polin sir, but I have to say your teaching style is on the money imho. I was a little bit in the dark to this comparison never having even used a mirror less camera, but not now! Thanks man ✌🏼
For an SLR user, it was hard to imagine shooting on digital, but now almost everybody shoots on DSLR. The same is with EVF. 10 years for now, everyone will shoot with mirrorless and evf and that will be taken as usual.
So I shoot events in dark locations professionally. ...And I never managed to make an EVF work for me. All I could see through EVFs was noisy grainy laggy wrong colours. And the camera really struggled when it was hit by a dancefloor-light. To be fair, I never had the chance to test one of the highest end Mirrorless, but given how the whole system works, I don't think EVFs work for my niche. Two things you also missed: 1.Battery Life. On my D3s I can shoot 500 pictures, leave it on for a week, shoot 1000more and the battery still has juice left. Or I can walk around with it dangling around my neck all day, and it is always ready. Absolutely crucial to Street-Photography. "Off" on a Pro-DSLR is more like a "Lock Buttons". 2. Dust, Dust, Dust! Mirrorless sensors get dirty soooo quickly. I change lenses a lot in the field, and my buddies with Sony cameras always have to blow out their sensors when they change lenses. While they do that, I am already back in the field taking pictures.
Then you never really have tried using the best mirrorless cameras, yet you still compared them to the best DSLRs, which were out for longer now, and have developed much further already compared to mirrorless. That's definitely not right, I'd say. Your EVF is showing you a noisy and laggy composition because it's displaying exactly what the sensor is seeing, and that's really what you need to have, since you need to make sure that everything is perfectly adjusted before taking the picture. An OVF is not gonna do that. While you're seeing a perfectly fine composition in an OVF, with no grain and very realistic motions, you're rather clueless about what the final photos would look like, which are most likely too far from what you saw in the OVF, at least that's what would happen if you're absolutely clueless in photography). Still, the OVF isn't exactly what the final results are going to look like, and there can be times when your exposure is gonna be really off. EVF, on the other hand, is already giving you the almost exact, perhaps even the exact result already on the preview, along with the help of a histogram, to ensure that you get the proper settings correctly before taking the shot, and not having to re-take it because your exposure was all over the place. To each his own, perhaps, but I don't really see OVF really that good anymore. It's basically just a preview of what my eyes are seeing, but not what my camera sensor is seeing, and when taking a picture, it's supposed to be my camera that I should be concerned about, since it's who will take and save an image, and not my eyes. As for battery life, yes DSLRs really have the advantage there, but that's mainly because their system isn't as advanced as mirrorless cameras do. For instance, mirrorless cameras can shoot up to 1/32000s shutter speed, compared to most DSLRs maxing out at 1/8000s, and that surely would consume more power as well. Even then, mirrorless cameras have come quite a long way as well already, and this problem has been vastly improved, if not entirely fixed already. Some mirrorless cameras can already go up to 800 shots in one battery pack already. Having dust on the sensor is already more of the user's responsibility. Even so, it's fairly easy to remove them, as even blowing them with mouth can solve such a simple problem. Then again, some mirrorless cameras also now have sensor protection built in, like the newest Canon mirrorless ones, so that's no longer an issue here. The rest, most obviously mirrorless cameras are so much better already, and they wouldn't be considered as the future of digital cameras for no reason.
I got used to an electronic viewfinder by using a Powershot S5IS for 4 years in all sorts of locations before stepping up to a DSLR. The viewfinder (and screen) resolution was nowhere near what they're capable of making them with these days, but it still worked very well for both photography and videos. I still have the S5IS and other than having an intermittent lens issue I need to get repaired, it still works great and makes a nice backup camera for my purposes.
Thanks Fro, As a full time corporate event and headshot photographer I own DSLR"s and now a mirrorless. The main difference for me is that I shoot a room full of people as couples etc in manual. The standard go to at night is 125sec F5.6 I lock them in and then theI SO 3can be set to give the room a little ambiance, so between ISO 1600 and 4000 . Then I use a manual fill flash at 1/16 power that will reach 6" or 2 meters in front of me. A mirrorless struggles compared to the DSLR because the DSLR is always set to its largest aperture, say F2.8, untill you press the shutter button. Then the mirror goes up and the aperture ring goes to F5.6. So my point is the DSLR can see a far brighter room than the mirrorless which makes everything easier. Sure the mirrorless can shoot at 125 and 5.6 but you really have to raise the ISO to see anything, then noise is a problem. I use the mirrorless in bright situations or when I really need to be silent, like in a board meeting. I shoot with a Nikon D5, D800e and Fujifilm XT-3, all are great cameras depending on what I am doing.
My current camera is an 80D. I came close to getting an XT2, but the EVF was the show stopper. I was shooting my son's football games then and the EVF was very distracting, specifically when tracking and panning. Even in the store, if I just panned while shooting a burst it was very choppy. With a OVF you get extremely quick blackout and it was a better experience for me personally since the mirror does not lag behind. That said EVFs keep improving and I agree with the pros you listed. The only one that blew me away though was the A9 which has zero blackout when shooting and doesn't use the gimmick of showing the last shot to give the illusion that there is no blackout. This is what made panning/tracking during a burst feel choppy XT2. The main point I am trying to make is yes many mirrorless cameras claim there is zero blackout, but it is not true except for the A9, at least for ones I actually had my hands on. If you are taking static shots, an EVF is great. If you are shooting bursts on moving subjects than I still prefer an OVF for now. Also one thing that was not mentioned was sensor readout speeds. Yes you can shoot silently, but if you are using an electronic shutter then you may have some distortion on a moving subject, again the A9 is the exception here and believe the EM1 Mkii does well. It will vary from camera to camera. Sony used a golf swing as an example when launching the A9 to show case it's speed. I have seen odds images with birds in flight shot on some cameras where the wings get distorted since the readout isn't fast enough. Limited cases where this can be an impact, but think worth mentioning. Shooting with a flash or certain types of lighting may cause issues as well, but I can't really speak to it. These are not show stoppers though since the fix is usually just switching to mechanical shutter. Basically know the camera, it's limitations and you will be fine.
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I have the Fujifilm X-H1 and with 8fps I can shoot almost silent and without blackout.
Did you mention the option of previewing the images in the EVF? Super practical in sunny weather. Just bought my Sony A7iii two weeks ago after professionally using Nikon for 17 years! Wauw I am loving it every second!!!
I was wondering if the Canon EOS M50 allows viewing of stored images and videos on the EVF. Anyone know? I'd guess it would allow for that if the Sony A7 3 allows for it.
I shoot macro photography with studio strobe lighting on a A7III. In order to have everything in focus I am shooting at f20ish. However, since it is such a small aperature and very little light is going into the camera I feel like it is very difficult to focus. If I want to keep my aperature at f20 Is there any way around this besides increase the amount of ambient light shining on the object?
One area that I feel the most improvement will take place, is giving EVFs a 12+ bit display rather than further pushing resolution. One of the main limitations of an EVF is that they are trying to represent the output of a 14 bit per channel sensor with 14-15+ stops of dynamic range, on a tiny OLED panel with 8 bits per channel, thus the EVF will clip long before the sensor does, thus you can really only get accurate representation of your midtones when it comes to exposure. Furthermore, even on the high end mirrorless cameras, the zebra pattern for over and underexposed portions are not based on the dynamic range limits of the sensor, thus you can have zebra strips show up on a portion of the image, but that portion of the image will still be recoverable via the raw file. I would like to see these companies calibrate the these features to the limits of the sensor based on what ISO the sensor is running at. For example, don't display zebra patterns on parts of the image that I can recover with the raw file. If this can be done, then EVFs will truly take a giant leap forward. This will be especially good for those of us who like to ETTR while avoiding clipping in the raw files.
12+ bit panel, I agree on but zebras already do the thing that you are saying. It's basically taking the histograms most right part in real time and putting it as an overlay.
The issue is they don't, they are more based on the clipping points you would have if you shoot jpeg, but they do not represent the 14-15 stops of dynamic range you would get in the raw file.
OVF = Like looking through binoculars. Seeing the light as it passes through the lens, directly into your eyes in real-time. EVF = Like using the camera on your phone. Seeing the image on your phone in close-to-real-time after it's interpreted by the sensor and displayed on the LCD.
I was waiting for more details about the EVF in some other vlogs but, I haven't found those information which I have found in your vlog as cristal clear. Thanks alot and looking for more detailed volgs.
While I agree that electronic viewfinders do show you the exposure as it is... Most images I got sent from people who use mirrorless cameras so far were underexposed. Can you change the brightness level in the EVF? Because if you can then the whole "what you see is what you get" thing doesn't work anymore 😜 Personally, I still prefer optical viewfinders. The resolution in electronic finders isn't *quite* there yet (I am hard to please, I admit that 😁) and I actually enjoy figuring out the right exposure myself by judging the lighting conditions. Progress keeps marching on though, I am a big tech nerd and I am not afraid of change. So I am fine with future cameras having electronic finders! 👌
Try the mirrorless Canon EOS M50. That's a jump above the rest for the EVF display (being OLED instead of LCD, 2.3 megapixel which is above 1080 FHD, and a high refresh rate.)
Yes you can change brightness to real life, you can also change brightness so you can see in the dark, you can also use highlight and shadow warnings + histogram, etc ...
Hi Jared good to see this video So many people say mirrorless is the way to go without talking much abour the EVF, I have a Nikon D5500 and would like to go mirrorless. But what will lthe long term trend be, now that most manufacturers seem to be concentrating on Mirrorless. Some of your viewers say they still prefer an OVF What do you prefer now? EVF or OVF
I have the Canon 90D and the OVF AF hits and misses all the time but the LiveView AF is always spot on, I read that the main reason for this is that when using the OVF it uses a AF sensor that next to the image sensor but when shooting in LiveView the AF sensors are literally built into the image sensor itself which explains it's better AF accuracy, what's your thoughts about that?
just to mention that usually both have diopter correction for people with not perfect eyesight but if you are looking through an evf for a long time your eyes will tire faster since it’s like looking at a small tv screen from really close distance.
What you explained was helpful. The eff actually showing the exposure is the reason I am thinking of switching to mirrorless. Just can't decide between Canon and Sony
Have you ever considered Siri shortcuts with My Gear Vault, like being able to ask Siri to list your kit to you. I’m not 100% sure what you would be able to do but still a useful thing to do
Here's the question (50D user here). Since EVF simulate exposure and such... How usable and how much drops the refresh rate when you are taking pictures at night or very very dark environments (very long exposure)?
i had a fuji EX-2 an did not find WUSIWUG much benefit as the camera sensor had much more DR than the VF can display ...but what was very good in determining exposure was the hysterogram overlay coupled with your thumb on the EC dail
Dear Jared Polin. Please make a video of what kind of device that record ur evf in camera, I have watched ur video every single days and really like ur vlog.
Question: if I see spots through the electronic viewfinder, is the dirt on the sensor or on the front/back of the lens? Talking about a mirrorless camera
To test this X vs. Y question, I began with two trailing edge "compact digital" cameras. The Canon PowerShot G15 has an optical viewfinder, which (mostly) works except at the long end. Having to look at the rear screen to see ISO, shutter speed, aperture, etc. is a bit of a drag. The Fujifilm X-30 has a pretty good Electronic View Finder which displays all of the above plus modes and so on. Which one is better? That's hard to say, because this senior citizen's midrange vision is going soft, so I can (sorta) read some of the information in the EVF. I use both cameras from time to time, preferring the Canon when visiting sketchy parts of town. (This is easier to replace if stolen or damaged) The Fuji X-30 is for visiting "safe places" for semi-serious photography. (Not as easy to replace due to lower sales and premium prices for used Fuji cameras)
For events DSLR are still better, all day long shooting and all day long looking through the view finder for the next shot, never caring about battery. For more artistic shooting, no doubt mirrorless are better, because you can't compose a piece of art and then simply miss the focus on the eye. But DSLRs have a work around, you can just use live view when you really need that perfect shot.
Good overview Jared. I think both have their place, but inevitably mirror-less will win out, which is unfortunate, because OVF is still my preference because I don't shoot video, but for those who do, it's hard to beat EVF.
I hope a manufacturer (Nikon or Canon) creates a hybrid viewfinder. It would combine the advantages of both. Optical for battery-drain-free composition. Then switch to EVF for focus & exposure. I don't know if it's technically possible though
Maybe a micro projector to act as an EVF so when you want EVF the glass can fog up (the type that fog up and go clear whenever you want) and acts as an surface for the projection but when you want OVF it can go transparent But then there’s the problem of where to put the focus system and how it’s gonna work, unless you put in two which will be massively expensive
Ovf is main reason I got into interchangeable lens cameras from my smartphone and Nikon point n shoot. Now everyone is crying for Evf because what you see is what you get. Please dont be fooled by general notion that Evf represents real image even before you take but let me explain 1. No evf can preview image to be capture at very slow shutter speed(problem starts from slower than1/16 of second) 2. No photographer in world can adjust camera setting for changing light conditions during burst. So exposure preview is useless during burst. 3. In studios you have all the time to check every setting before capturing images. Evfs may have advantage but only for laziest photographers. 4. Evfs needs to be very accurate to judge colour and contrast of final image. 5. Last one is very salty but if you cant expose image properly using ovf and metering system on dslr then learn photography or leave photography.
These are not negative things about the EVF. 1. Nor does any OVF. 2. It is just as useful for bursts as for single shots. 3. faster =/= lazy. Time is money, even in a studio. 4. yes, they need to be accurate. And they tend to be accurate. 5. If you can not use a simple large format camera with wetplates, leave photography. I started with an SLR, then went on to DSLR and I am so happy that I don't have to deal with OVF again. You seem like you closed your mind and you ignore the benefits of EVF. I don't know why you think that efficiency is lazyness. Also, who needs a screen on a camera? Are you lazy and did not compose the first shot well? You are either capable of following new technology or you will be left behind.
I would make the argument that earlier generations EVF were not high enough resolution compared to OVF to give you the most precise focus when shooting low F and manual focus, such as a 2.4F macro where the mere motion of breathing can bring a small subject into and out of focus. I photograph reptiles and many shots can be cropped dramatically in from the original shot before printing or posting. I am currently debating making the switch to an M50 or a T7i , and the EVF is one of the things I am very interested in whether it will become a problem trying to get things as crisp as the camera could ever physically achieve..
I am a Nikon shooter with my D610 and I am considering going mirrorless mainly to reduce size and weight in lenses. I currently have these lenses: Sigma art 35, Nikkor 50 and 85 1.8G, Tokina 17-35 and Nikkor 24-120. Photography is a serious hobby but not my job. I do mainly studio, portrait and real estate photography. I am tempting to switch to the new fuji x-t3. Would I loose quality going to Fuji? I also considered Sony A7iii but lenes are too expensive and Z6 does not attract me by the reviews I have seen.
Thanks, this helped me a lot. I have a DSLR and my friend has a mirrorless who keeps preaching me about it to shift there, but this video helps me decide I can stay with Optical view. Now, one issue I would like resolved is focus lines (Peak), that I don't have on my Cannon 60D, yes it's an old camera, but that's what I could afford with a stupid kit lens, but will upgrade gradually. While my friend has red focus lines on his mirrorless, that help get the focus where you want. How do I get it on 60D? I Know there is some hack and it gives you white focus lines maybe, so please do help. Im tired of zooming in to find the focus because zooming in gets you in the center, when my subject of focus could be on the side, which is irritating because your composition has to be reset Thanks
i also use an old dslr (because that's what i can afford) but i moved away from the kit lens and have been using prime lenses which makes taking pictures with the old dslr a better shooting experience, imo.
@@emptylikebox Youre right, its been two years since my message hahah I did end up buying the starting lens, which is 50mm 1.8 STM and 7 Artisan's 35mm and 50mm 0.95, a CCTV lens 25mm 1.4, Helios 44 and a couple of other vintage ones. All of these were cheap, except of course 50mm 1.8 STM, but like you said, lenses make a difference, especially primes. As for focus peaking, i found out about Magic Lantern, but havent installed it yet. I do want to upgrade to Panasonic Lumix for full frame, because im bored of cropped
i agree that being able to compose shots while turned off is a great feature of DSLR's, however that advantage is nullified if you use focus-by-wire (FBW) lenses. there's no point in pre-composing if everything is out of focus. on mirrorless cameras, FBW is merely annoying, on a DSLR it's downright hateful.
I doubt we’ll see dslrs being produced, other than as niche products, in 5-6 years time. The evolution of the evf has been remarkable over the last 10 years and it’s showing no signs of stopping.
I am landscape guy. I use circular polarizer heavily. I use them so much that I bought three (3) 77mm for each of my most use lenses so I don't have to swap them in the field. I might as well weld those CPs to my lenses. I tried out my CP with my friend's Sony. With EVF, I have a very hard time fine tuning the polarization to the degree that I need. I can the sky getting darker. But I cannot see the reflection on the leaves or grass blades going away as subtle as I see in OVF. And Lightroom cannot remove reflection on green leaves or water. On my recent trip to Utah, I found that most of the time I don't need to go full polarization or the sky would look unnaturally dark blue. How do I fine tune this quickly with EVF? I turn off the automatic light compensation of the EVF. I have to zoom in every time. This would really slow me down.
I'm adjusting the exposure with an EVF as well, I just get it right the first time and that helps me to get more good pictures. I know people that like fixing their Linux every week but when I made the switch from Linux to a Mac I loved that my OS just worked and I could spend the time on more productive tasks
The dilema between film and digital went the wrong way. Becuse at the end of the story the result is the picture, personally I am still in love with the result of film photography.
I think so far the only advantage of Optical over electronic is battery. Even with the camera off, the optical can look fuzzy as the LCD panel is no longer energized.
tl;dr Optical viewfinders transmit the view from the camera’s lens through a system of mirrors and a prism. Electronic viewfinders transmit the view electronically. OVFs are sharp, clear and true-to-life, but display limited information and do not show you what the end picture will look like. Since the shutter has to be up to record video, the OVF is unusable during recording. EVFs can be less detailed and suffer from lower refresh rates, but it will present a much more accurate depiction of what your picture will look like. Additionally, you can use the EVF while recording video.
Looks like your having WAAAAY too much fun in those viewfinders LOL… One good thing I've found with EVFs, you can also review your images (should you want to) without taking your eye away from the vewfinder. One not so good thing about EVFs, when using flash photography, you don't see the flash go off in the viewfinder. I'm always asking the subject if the flash fired!… Oh also shooting into the sun doesn't half blind you with an EVF.
I do have a question regarding the mirrorless cameras. Sometimes I do studio work and I tend to do either medium or low key lighting. Most of the time I shoot at 1/125 of a second and I range my aperture around f8, f11, or f16. Technically the light meter and histogram will show an underexposed image but I know by doing proper lighting technique my photographs will come out just the way I want them. Now, if I use a EVF with a very small aperture in a low key studio lighting setup would the image in the viewfinder be very dark? Will I even see anything in the viewfinder?
It would be great if they improve the response time on the EVF, my Canon EOS R, as much as I like it, I just find the EVF response not good for panning shots.
I personally like optical better but the D750 and Im sure newer DLSR's have exposure preview in live view just set your exposure in live view hit the live view button again and look thru view finder take the pic and what you saw is what you get.. I do it all the time instead of taking a few test shots to save time... Granted its easier with an evf because its less steps but for me it isn't worth the money to switch to just drop a great dlsr that takes great images and works fine... for a feature I can do with an extra step..
Enjoyed your video. Many Thanks. I wonder if the latest EVF has caught up with OVF in terms of VF lag; especially for fast action, i.e. "What you see is what you get"? What I meant was a dancer was facing you when you pressed the shutter but the resulting photo showed you the back of her neck? (Assuming that you have the right shutter speed) Sorry, Sony A7 II shows you the side and the Panasonic GX9 was definitely the back. Love to hear your insight especially I am considering if a Sony A7 III can replace my Nikon D3s for indoor sports event with fill flash?
I feel like EVF’s will cause a camera to die faster. Not that we don’t already upgrade pretty often, but that EVF just reminds me of just another computer that will die faster than a DSLR.
they should make a DSLR that also has a EVF popup like how they do on the fuji Xpro hybrid viewfinders, you get the best of both worlds of through the lens composition and real viewing as well as all the advantages of a EVF at the flick of a switch. i think ditching DSLR is a great tragedy as there is a lot of benefits to DSLR over a mirrorless
Once I got into EVFs I couldn't look back. Really helps for lowlight/concert photography. I remember shooting a wedding with both and I just couldn't do OVFs anymore lol. Six to one!
What's up with the THUMBS DOWN votes??
1. This man is giving us his valuable time.
2. He is sharing his high-level knowledge and real-world experience.
3. He clearly states when he is sharing an "opinion vs "fact."
Wow, I am taken back by the unwarranted cynicism, as well as the public's fear of learning from successful people.
wow. it is just a video. there's people being killed and being oppressed. this. is. just a. video. man.
I just gave it thumbs down and only because of your comment.
Thanks, Jared. I wasn't entirely clear on everything about EVF vs OVF but now I am. It was very helpful.
pro trick: watch series on Flixzone. I've been using it for watching a lot of movies lately.
@Zaiden Mayson Definitely, I've been using Flixzone for months myself :)
Wow! Finally someone explained EVF and OVF thoroughly in the best possible way; Thank you for this amazing video.
I keep reading posts about how OVF is more “immersive”, “You're losing the connection to the atmosphere you want to capture” with an EVF.
I went on a photo walk with a friend and we saw a bird sat on a branch, we had just walked from a bright daylight shot to a shot now in shadows. I adjusted my shot though the EVF before I took the shot and captured the bird first time. My friend took a shot, preview mode, adjust settings, took shot, preview mode, adjust settings, missed shot because the bird flew away.
If you want atmosphere and emersion then go for walks without a camera, if you want a photograph of the moment then take a camera with the best tools for the job.
Photography is about capturing the moment, preserving the memory. If a Gimmick as some of you are calling EVF helps you capture the moment then its no longer a Gimmick it’s a tool.
Its amazing how photographers were professional before EVF?
@@factsnchill168 Even those professionals did find a very hard time nailing a shot in one go. The fact that you don't even get to have any preview of what the exposure of the photo would look like after it's taken is already a massive hindrance to capturing once-in-a-lifetime moments.
No wonder why modern day images of flying birds in the wild look better in terms of exposure than those that were captured with DSLRs because the photographers already see the close preview of the final image, and they could also be tracked down in burst really well because of no blackout happening.
Capturing fast-moving subjects and making them as still as rock was even better with mirrorless that could freeze motions up to 1/32000s shutter speed, compared to 1/8000 on most DSLRs of the past.
If it's just being able to see the live scene from my naked eyes, then I'd rather take my camera off my eyes and see it all by myself without any equipments right in front of my eyeballs.
If DSLRs were really still that good, then Canon and Nikon shouldn't have stopped making them and still released as many models of those type of camera to compete with Sony's mirrorless lineup.
Omw, that might explain why my photos are always a stop or so underexposed on the Sony, i always have the evf and lcd set to the brightest settings (even in bright light or dark scenarios, so basically always) and I've gotten so lazy i hardly check the histogram or exposure, so when i get back to lightroom i often find the pictures are underexposed. Great tip Jared and I'll definitely consult the histogram and light bar more often when shooting manual.
One big difference is seeing more dynamic range through the OVF - especially for someone shooting something like landscapes. During a sunny day or bright sunrise or sunset, your eye and ovf will be able to see more shadows and highlights then the EVF can show you. Not a big deal in most situations and wont affect the final image but it can make the experience better
What is photography if not the experience. EVF certainly is less immersive but for certain situations, it certainly is beneficial (especially with video being a huge component nowdays in these cameras)
Because the EVF is basically just showing a JPEG preview not what would be recoverable or at least close to recoverable!
Its a marketing gimmick. I remember when DSLR video revolution began in 2009 (and I was part of it), one of the things that went AGAINST dslr video was that you cant see through the viewfinder when recording is on. The analogy that was used was "imagine as a photographer, when you look through the OVF, all you can see is the live view", and now the same thing is propelled as. "revolutionary". Sure its good for video/hybrid. Sure it has its own place and sure people will benefit from it. But as a photographer, ovf is simply more "hands on" and immersive.
100 Percent agree!
whats the point of seeing more dynamic range? whats the point of having a clearer, better, more real life view? if i want to enjoy the landscape i put the camera down and see it with my eyes. when i see through the viewfinder, the point is to make a correct composed and exposed image and thats way easier with an EVF, because in the EVF you see in fact your image, in an optical viewfinder you see just "real life".
First time I've watched Jared, completely awesome personality and very entertaining with good information. The fro knows photos.
I recently held a nikon crop camera in my hand and tested it out (nikon D500) and noticed how dark the viewfinder looked compared to my FX camera (D750). I can see how a crop camera user would parhaps like the image more out of a electronic viewfinder.
Seeing Jared use a Sony and a Nikon side by side warms my heart. At one point mirrorless got zero love on this channel, but they have progressed and earned the respect of the fro with Sony pushing the entire industry forward
Camera snobs still manage to put Sony down at every opportunity, highlighting minor perceived weaknesses as if they were major deal breakers, while falling over themselves to praise the new Canon and Nikon mirrorless as if they were somehow innovative, while blatantly ignoring huge omissions in spec, looking at you McKinnon and Northrop with your recent Canon whitewashes. I was 100% Nikon for twenty years, the last five all Sony and no complaints at all and love the smaller size with the particular lenses I use.
Meanwhile Canon has the best EVF displays on their mirrorless cameras, compared to any I've seen. If I didn't just look at a Canon EOS M50 in a store, I wouldn't be here. I also looked at a few other brands of camera to compare. I'll admit, this is 8 months after the comment above was written. Things are still progressing pretty quickly when it comes to EVF displays. The M50 has a very high refresh rate, OLED display which looks awesome, and is 2.36mp, so just above 1080FHD.
@@ceddo2511 Camera snobs? Sony “Fanbois” are the worst kind. Fact.
i picked up the full sony a7r iii set up only to find the evf made me motion sick.... going back to ovf once i manage to return the camera
bought a mirrorless and looked into the evf, immidiately returned and went back to my canon dslr
very helpful video, very precise and easy to understand, it will help a lot of photographers. the camera is only the tool to take picture, you still have to have good knowledge to be a good photographer. In the meantime, most of the people buying mirrorless regardless how to take better pictures, because its a new technology and its much lighter to carry around. that's the advantages to attract buyers.
Jared! Thanks for showing me the LCD Loupe! I was just starting to get into "Live View" and this is exactly what I need to really bring it all home. Game changer, for me. Thanks for all you do!
I personally use both because I own two different cameras and there are advantages and disadvantages to both tbh. But live view with the electronic view finder is very nice!
OVF for me ! DSLR remain my thing ! moreover DSLRs battery life is far superior vs Mirrorless.
100% with you,
I'm still waiting for a nice small format (light weight), full frame and OVF. The Fuji X-PRO3 if it had the Full frame could have been... But nope Fuji had something else in mind....
I hear canon will not make ef lenses anymore.. no option for mirrored cameras in the near future.
Or, now.
@@matt79hz the lineup of lenses now isnt enough for you? Srsly?
@@tridinh1011 what on earth are you talking about ? I made no mention of that.
@@matt79hz "no option for dslr in the near future or now"
Very helpful. I am more convinced that EVF is not for me, unless I am shooting video. I would prefer to see what the lens is seeing; optically. Its more immersive, at least for me. But this does have some benefits (especially in video and to check exposure while you are composing). The more information on EVF is just a hindrance, you just need some basic checks underneath.
in ovf, the eyes use the mirror to see right through the lens.
but whats the point of that? i want to see what the sensor sees, because the sensor takes the image an not my eye. to have it more "immersive" just put your camera down and look with your eyes...
To be honest I'm not even bothered with video - I get into so many angles with video I actually prefer using the rear screen - save my back - that's my new mantra. 😀
Yes, but cameras have shutters and irises. A DSLR has a manual button to activate the iris. Jared showed where it is. However, the resulting image is often so dim that you can't tell much at all about the depth of field.
ok ... that makes sense, thanks.
I look forward to having EVF given it's advantages, but I think with wildlife that I will always miss the OVF. I want them both!
You get a lot of negative critique Mr. Polin sir, but I have to say your teaching style is on the money imho. I was a little bit in the dark to this comparison never having even used a mirror less camera, but not now! Thanks man ✌🏼
For an SLR user, it was hard to imagine shooting on digital, but now almost everybody shoots on DSLR. The same is with EVF. 10 years for now, everyone will shoot with mirrorless and evf and that will be taken as usual.
So I shoot events in dark locations professionally.
...And I never managed to make an EVF work for me. All I could see through EVFs was noisy grainy laggy wrong colours. And the camera really struggled when it was hit by a dancefloor-light. To be fair, I never had the chance to test one of the highest end Mirrorless, but given how the whole system works, I don't think EVFs work for my niche.
Two things you also missed:
1.Battery Life. On my D3s I can shoot 500 pictures, leave it on for a week, shoot 1000more and the battery still has juice left. Or I can walk around with it dangling around my neck all day, and it is always ready. Absolutely crucial to Street-Photography. "Off" on a Pro-DSLR is more like a "Lock Buttons".
2. Dust, Dust, Dust! Mirrorless sensors get dirty soooo quickly. I change lenses a lot in the field, and my buddies with Sony cameras always have to blow out their sensors when they change lenses. While they do that, I am already back in the field taking pictures.
Then you never really have tried using the best mirrorless cameras, yet you still compared them to the best DSLRs, which were out for longer now, and have developed much further already compared to mirrorless. That's definitely not right, I'd say.
Your EVF is showing you a noisy and laggy composition because it's displaying exactly what the sensor is seeing, and that's really what you need to have, since you need to make sure that everything is perfectly adjusted before taking the picture. An OVF is not gonna do that.
While you're seeing a perfectly fine composition in an OVF, with no grain and very realistic motions, you're rather clueless about what the final photos would look like, which are most likely too far from what you saw in the OVF, at least that's what would happen if you're absolutely clueless in photography). Still, the OVF isn't exactly what the final results are going to look like, and there can be times when your exposure is gonna be really off.
EVF, on the other hand, is already giving you the almost exact, perhaps even the exact result already on the preview, along with the help of a histogram, to ensure that you get the proper settings correctly before taking the shot, and not having to re-take it because your exposure was all over the place.
To each his own, perhaps, but I don't really see OVF really that good anymore. It's basically just a preview of what my eyes are seeing, but not what my camera sensor is seeing, and when taking a picture, it's supposed to be my camera that I should be concerned about, since it's who will take and save an image, and not my eyes.
As for battery life, yes DSLRs really have the advantage there, but that's mainly because their system isn't as advanced as mirrorless cameras do. For instance, mirrorless cameras can shoot up to 1/32000s shutter speed, compared to most DSLRs maxing out at 1/8000s, and that surely would consume more power as well.
Even then, mirrorless cameras have come quite a long way as well already, and this problem has been vastly improved, if not entirely fixed already. Some mirrorless cameras can already go up to 800 shots in one battery pack already.
Having dust on the sensor is already more of the user's responsibility. Even so, it's fairly easy to remove them, as even blowing them with mouth can solve such a simple problem. Then again, some mirrorless cameras also now have sensor protection built in, like the newest Canon mirrorless ones, so that's no longer an issue here.
The rest, most obviously mirrorless cameras are so much better already, and they wouldn't be considered as the future of digital cameras for no reason.
use bright monitoring on sony mirrorless
One big difference between DSLR and mirrorless is DSLR gives you an excuse to flex your muscles while holding your camera in live view. 4:28
I got used to an electronic viewfinder by using a Powershot S5IS for 4 years in all sorts of locations before stepping up to a DSLR. The viewfinder (and screen) resolution was nowhere near what they're capable of making them with these days, but it still worked very well for both photography and videos. I still have the S5IS and other than having an intermittent lens issue I need to get repaired, it still works great and makes a nice backup camera for my purposes.
Thanks Fro, As a full time corporate event and headshot photographer I own DSLR"s and now a mirrorless. The main difference for me is that I shoot a room full of people as couples etc in manual.
The standard go to at night is 125sec F5.6 I lock them in and then theI SO 3can be set to give the room a little ambiance, so between ISO 1600 and 4000 . Then I use a manual fill flash at 1/16 power that will reach 6" or 2 meters in front of me.
A mirrorless struggles compared to the DSLR because the DSLR is always set to its largest aperture, say F2.8, untill you press the shutter button. Then the mirror goes up and the aperture ring goes to F5.6. So my point is the DSLR can see a far brighter room than the mirrorless which makes everything easier.
Sure the mirrorless can shoot at 125 and 5.6 but you really have to raise the ISO to see anything, then noise is a problem.
I use the mirrorless in bright situations or when I really need to be silent, like in a board meeting.
I shoot with a Nikon D5, D800e and Fujifilm XT-3, all are great cameras depending on what I am doing.
So in low light (or using flash), the DSLR's are better.
I do have a Nikon d750 and love it :)
NoVF is the way to go!
That is shooting from the hip cowboy style :-)
But it's not accurate, you can shoot your cowboy style, fine, but I shoot with a scope and a laser beam
@@raccoon9023 thats no comparison to my pinhole. Perfect focus everytime
My current camera is an 80D. I came close to getting an XT2, but the EVF was the show stopper. I was shooting my son's football games then and the EVF was very distracting, specifically when tracking and panning. Even in the store, if I just panned while shooting a burst it was very choppy. With a OVF you get extremely quick blackout and it was a better experience for me personally since the mirror does not lag behind. That said EVFs keep improving and I agree with the pros you listed. The only one that blew me away though was the A9 which has zero blackout when shooting and doesn't use the gimmick of showing the last shot to give the illusion that there is no blackout. This is what made panning/tracking during a burst feel choppy XT2.
The main point I am trying to make is yes many mirrorless cameras claim there is zero blackout, but it is not true except for the A9, at least for ones I actually had my hands on. If you are taking static shots, an EVF is great. If you are shooting bursts on moving subjects than I still prefer an OVF for now.
Also one thing that was not mentioned was sensor readout speeds. Yes you can shoot silently, but if you are using an electronic shutter then you may have some distortion on a moving subject, again the A9 is the exception here and believe the EM1 Mkii does well. It will vary from camera to camera. Sony used a golf swing as an example when launching the A9 to show case it's speed.
I have seen odds images with birds in flight shot on some cameras where the wings get distorted since the readout isn't fast enough. Limited cases where this can be an impact, but think worth mentioning. Shooting with a flash or certain types of lighting may cause issues as well, but I can't really speak to it. These are not show stoppers though since the fix is usually just switching to mechanical shutter. Basically know the camera, it's limitations and you will be fine.
I have the Fujifilm X-H1 and with 8fps I can shoot almost silent and without blackout.
Did you mention the option of previewing the images in the EVF? Super practical in sunny weather. Just bought my Sony A7iii two weeks ago after professionally using Nikon for 17 years! Wauw I am loving it every second!!!
I was wondering if the Canon EOS M50 allows viewing of stored images and videos on the EVF. Anyone know? I'd guess it would allow for that if the Sony A7 3 allows for it.
I shoot macro photography with studio strobe lighting on a A7III. In order to have everything in focus I am shooting at f20ish. However, since it is such a small aperature and very little light is going into the camera I feel like it is very difficult to focus. If I want to keep my aperature at f20 Is there any way around this besides increase the amount of ambient light shining on the object?
*OVF* = Best For Photo
*EVF* = Best For Movie
Sony Corp, 2010
Thank you
One area that I feel the most improvement will take place, is giving EVFs a 12+ bit display rather than further pushing resolution. One of the main limitations of an EVF is that they are trying to represent the output of a 14 bit per channel sensor with 14-15+ stops of dynamic range, on a tiny OLED panel with 8 bits per channel, thus the EVF will clip long before the sensor does, thus you can really only get accurate representation of your midtones when it comes to exposure. Furthermore, even on the high end mirrorless cameras, the zebra pattern for over and underexposed portions are not based on the dynamic range limits of the sensor, thus you can have zebra strips show up on a portion of the image, but that portion of the image will still be recoverable via the raw file.
I would like to see these companies calibrate the these features to the limits of the sensor based on what ISO the sensor is running at. For example, don't display zebra patterns on parts of the image that I can recover with the raw file. If this can be done, then EVFs will truly take a giant leap forward. This will be especially good for those of us who like to ETTR while avoiding clipping in the raw files.
12+ bit panel, I agree on but zebras already do the thing that you are saying. It's basically taking the histograms most right part in real time and putting it as an overlay.
The issue is they don't, they are more based on the clipping points you would have if you shoot jpeg, but they do not represent the 14-15 stops of dynamic range you would get in the raw file.
Resfresh rate is important. I think that 120hz should become the standard at some point
I’m just here waiting for the A7S3 release. 🙌🏼
Great comparison video dude. 👌🏼
You'll hear about one about to hit the market as soon as the next barge of trash leaves the US headed overseas..
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OVF = Like looking through binoculars. Seeing the light as it passes through the lens, directly into your eyes in real-time.
EVF = Like using the camera on your phone. Seeing the image on your phone in close-to-real-time after it's interpreted by the sensor and displayed on the LCD.
Helpful! I want an EVF big time but for now OVF is what I have . Better idea of what I’m missing
I was waiting for more details about the EVF in some other vlogs but, I haven't found those information which I have found in your vlog as cristal clear. Thanks alot and looking for more detailed volgs.
While I agree that electronic viewfinders do show you the exposure as it is... Most images I got sent from people who use mirrorless cameras so far were underexposed.
Can you change the brightness level in the EVF? Because if you can then the whole "what you see is what you get" thing doesn't work anymore 😜
Personally, I still prefer optical viewfinders. The resolution in electronic finders isn't *quite* there yet (I am hard to please, I admit that 😁) and I actually enjoy figuring out the right exposure myself by judging the lighting conditions.
Progress keeps marching on though, I am a big tech nerd and I am not afraid of change. So I am fine with future cameras having electronic finders! 👌
Mathias I wonder why none of the evf fans have not responded to this one? And is the histogram based off of raw or jpg dynamic range?
Try the mirrorless Canon EOS M50. That's a jump above the rest for the EVF display (being OLED instead of LCD, 2.3 megapixel which is above 1080 FHD, and a high refresh rate.)
Yes you can change brightness to real life, you can also change brightness so you can see in the dark, you can also use highlight and shadow warnings + histogram, etc ...
Awesome Jared, appreciate your tutorials, sold on the EOS R
Hi Jared good to see this video
So many people say mirrorless is the way to go without talking much abour the EVF,
I have a Nikon D5500 and would like to go mirrorless.
But what will lthe long term trend be, now that most manufacturers seem to be concentrating on Mirrorless.
Some of your viewers say they still prefer an OVF
What do you prefer now? EVF or OVF
I have the Canon 90D and the OVF AF hits and misses all the time but the LiveView AF is always spot on, I read that the main reason for this is that when using the OVF it uses a AF sensor that next to the image sensor but when shooting in LiveView the AF sensors are literally built into the image sensor itself which explains it's better AF accuracy, what's your thoughts about that?
just to mention that usually both have diopter correction for people with not perfect eyesight but if you are looking through an evf for a long time your eyes will tire faster since it’s like looking at a small tv screen from really close distance.
I really hope that fro brings the rapid photo critique back...
What you explained was helpful. The eff actually showing the exposure is the reason I am thinking of switching to mirrorless. Just can't decide between Canon and Sony
I personally own a mirrorless Panasonic g85,but I love the optical view finder of my friend's cannon 60D
Good bye Excel! Hello "MyGearVault" app...about to try it out now...Thank You.
Thank you. is one better for glasses wearing photographers?
Being a photographer I know all of this things, but I'm still watching, and liking, of course ;)
You are not a photographer
@@freeze1975 Underrated comment.
Have you ever considered Siri shortcuts with My Gear Vault, like being able to ask Siri to list your kit to you. I’m not 100% sure what you would be able to do but still a useful thing to do
The only thing I really want from these new fangled cameras that I don't have on my DSLR is the exposure preview. That looks pretty fucking dope.
Here's the question (50D user here). Since EVF simulate exposure and such... How usable and how much drops the refresh rate when you are taking pictures at night or very very dark environments (very long exposure)?
it doesn't drop
i had a fuji EX-2 an did not find WUSIWUG much benefit as the camera sensor had much more DR than the VF can display ...but what was very good in determining exposure was the hysterogram overlay coupled with your thumb on the EC dail
Great information. I guess evfs are the future really, less mistakes and more accurate outputs
Hi. Thank you for this video. It helped me understand. I can't get to the free 11 day course. Is that unavailable? Thanks
Dear Jared Polin.
Please make a video of what kind of device that record ur evf in camera, I have watched ur video every single days and really like ur vlog.
On EVFs, could you explain what it meant by "magnification factor"?
Question: if I see spots through the electronic viewfinder, is the dirt on the sensor or on the front/back of the lens? Talking about a mirrorless camera
To test this X vs. Y question, I began with two trailing edge "compact digital" cameras. The Canon PowerShot G15 has an optical viewfinder, which (mostly) works except at the long end. Having to look at the rear screen to see ISO, shutter speed, aperture, etc. is a bit of a drag. The Fujifilm X-30 has a pretty good Electronic View Finder which displays all of the above plus modes and so on. Which one is better? That's hard to say, because this senior citizen's midrange vision is going soft, so I can (sorta) read some of the information in the EVF. I use both cameras from time to time, preferring the Canon when visiting sketchy parts of town. (This is easier to replace if stolen or damaged) The Fuji X-30 is for visiting "safe places" for semi-serious photography. (Not as easy to replace due to lower sales and premium prices for used Fuji cameras)
For events DSLR are still better, all day long shooting and all day long looking through the view finder for the next shot, never caring about battery. For more artistic shooting, no doubt mirrorless are better, because you can't compose a piece of art and then simply miss the focus on the eye. But DSLRs have a work around, you can just use live view when you really need that perfect shot.
You can turn off the exposure preview with mirrorless and see what camera sees.
Frijin
I have canon R
How can turn off ?
I did this with my Z 50, it's still digital, still lagged compared to an OVF so I returned it.
Good overview Jared. I think both have their place, but inevitably mirror-less will win out, which is unfortunate, because OVF is still my preference because I don't shoot video, but for those who do, it's hard to beat EVF.
Just take the shirt off! Being visual most want to see what's going on. The real RAW!
I hope a manufacturer (Nikon or Canon) creates a hybrid viewfinder. It would combine the advantages of both. Optical for battery-drain-free composition. Then switch to EVF for focus & exposure. I don't know if it's technically possible though
Stephen Green i was thinking something similar; an ovf with a digital overlay of informations like google glass was
fuji x100f has it, its only rangefinder but still, very nice!
itsepocx really? range finder with digital interface overlay? that's cool
If it's battery drain you are worried about, it would be a lot cheaper and probably less weight to simply make the battery bigger.
Maybe a micro projector to act as an EVF so when you want EVF the glass can fog up (the type that fog up and go clear whenever you want) and acts as an surface for the projection but when you want OVF it can go transparent
But then there’s the problem of where to put the focus system and how it’s gonna work, unless you put in two which will be massively expensive
What camera you using for this great video. So nice and clear.
Ovf is main reason I got into interchangeable lens cameras from my smartphone and Nikon point n shoot. Now everyone is crying for Evf because what you see is what you get.
Please dont be fooled by general notion that Evf represents real image even before you take but let me explain
1. No evf can preview image to be capture at very slow shutter speed(problem starts from slower than1/16 of second)
2. No photographer in world can adjust camera setting for changing light conditions during burst. So exposure preview is useless during burst.
3. In studios you have all the time to check every setting before capturing images. Evfs may have advantage but only for laziest photographers.
4. Evfs needs to be very accurate to judge colour and contrast of final image.
5. Last one is very salty but if you cant expose image properly using ovf and metering system on dslr then learn photography or leave photography.
These are not negative things about the EVF.
1. Nor does any OVF.
2. It is just as useful for bursts as for single shots.
3. faster =/= lazy. Time is money, even in a studio.
4. yes, they need to be accurate. And they tend to be accurate.
5. If you can not use a simple large format camera with wetplates, leave photography.
I started with an SLR, then went on to DSLR and I am so happy that I don't have to deal with OVF again. You seem like you closed your mind and you ignore the benefits of EVF. I don't know why you think that efficiency is lazyness. Also, who needs a screen on a camera? Are you lazy and did not compose the first shot well? You are either capable of following new technology or you will be left behind.
There are already evfs that show the effect of a slow shutter speed. You definitely won't get that on ovf
@@jangarcia1338 Which evf shows preview of slower shutter speed because it is technically impossible to do that.
@@avinashrai11141 Panasonic's
@@somersetdeepak More light accuracy?
I honestly prefer the aesthetic of the EVF. Sounds a bit strange but I like the way it looks to the eye
I would make the argument that earlier generations EVF were not high enough resolution compared to OVF to give you the most precise focus when shooting low F and manual focus, such as a 2.4F macro where the mere motion of breathing can bring a small subject into and out of focus. I photograph reptiles and many shots can be cropped dramatically in from the original shot before printing or posting. I am currently debating making the switch to an M50 or a T7i , and the EVF is one of the things I am very interested in whether it will become a problem trying to get things as crisp as the camera could ever physically achieve..
Very Useful advice Jared! Thanks!
I am a Nikon shooter with my D610 and I am considering going mirrorless mainly to reduce size and weight in lenses. I currently have these lenses: Sigma art 35, Nikkor 50 and 85 1.8G, Tokina 17-35 and Nikkor 24-120.
Photography is a serious hobby but not my job. I do mainly studio, portrait and real estate photography. I am tempting to switch to the new fuji x-t3. Would I loose quality going to Fuji? I also considered Sony A7iii but lenes are too expensive and Z6 does not attract me by the reviews I have seen.
Thanks, this helped me a lot. I have a DSLR and my friend has a mirrorless who keeps preaching me about it to shift there, but this video helps me decide I can stay with Optical view.
Now, one issue I would like resolved is focus lines (Peak), that I don't have on my Cannon 60D, yes it's an old camera, but that's what I could afford with a stupid kit lens, but will upgrade gradually. While my friend has red focus lines on his mirrorless, that help get the focus where you want. How do I get it on 60D? I Know there is some hack and it gives you white focus lines maybe, so please do help. Im tired of zooming in to find the focus because zooming in gets you in the center, when my subject of focus could be on the side, which is irritating because your composition has to be reset
Thanks
i also use an old dslr (because that's what i can afford) but i moved away from the kit lens and have been using prime lenses which makes taking pictures with the old dslr a better shooting experience, imo.
@@emptylikebox Youre right, its been two years since my message hahah I did end up buying the starting lens, which is 50mm 1.8 STM and 7 Artisan's 35mm and 50mm 0.95, a CCTV lens 25mm 1.4, Helios 44 and a couple of other vintage ones. All of these were cheap, except of course 50mm 1.8 STM, but like you said, lenses make a difference, especially primes.
As for focus peaking, i found out about Magic Lantern, but havent installed it yet.
I do want to upgrade to Panasonic Lumix for full frame, because im bored of cropped
i agree that being able to compose shots while turned off is a great feature of DSLR's, however that advantage is nullified if you use focus-by-wire (FBW) lenses. there's no point in pre-composing if everything is out of focus. on mirrorless cameras, FBW is merely annoying, on a DSLR it's downright hateful.
How do you use speedlight with manual controls with an evf, can't you see anything in the evf?
There is the setting you change for studio work, where EVF acts as OVF
Is the setting built in the camera?
You explain it so clearly! Thanks a lot.
Super helpful. I go with ML's.
Hi Jared, Kindly help me understand how did you record the OVF of a DSLR camera?
Man That Sony AF is Amazing!!
I doubt we’ll see dslrs being produced, other than as niche products, in 5-6 years time. The evolution of the evf has been remarkable over the last 10 years and it’s showing no signs of stopping.
Which is better if you wear glasses?
I don't think that would make any difference. :)
@@sarahdippity Oh it does.... I cannot see anything on my Nikon (making it hell to take pics) but see clearly the EVF on the Fuji X-T3.
Hi and greetings from Greece. You think the Canon M50 or the A6000 is a better camera for photography to buy?
Jesus Jared have you been working out @ 4:36
Jebaited salma hayek is the reason 🤤
I am landscape guy. I use circular polarizer heavily. I use them so much that I bought three (3) 77mm for each of my most use lenses so I don't have to swap them in the field. I might as well weld those CPs to my lenses. I tried out my CP with my friend's Sony. With EVF, I have a very hard time fine tuning the polarization to the degree that I need. I can the sky getting darker. But I cannot see the reflection on the leaves or grass blades going away as subtle as I see in OVF. And Lightroom cannot remove reflection on green leaves or water. On my recent trip to Utah, I found that most of the time I don't need to go full polarization or the sky would look unnaturally dark blue. How do I fine tune this quickly with EVF? I turn off the automatic light compensation of the EVF. I have to zoom in every time. This would really slow me down.
That A9 is a monster
Really Great Tutorial
What cameras are you showing? Thank you
I like to put effort into adjusting my exposure it fun to go thru the process
I'm adjusting the exposure with an EVF as well, I just get it right the first time and that helps me to get more good pictures. I know people that like fixing their Linux every week but when I made the switch from Linux to a Mac I loved that my OS just worked and I could spend the time on more productive tasks
We have to think about of whats the effect of de EVF on eye healt because of the blue light of the LED!!!
Blue light is not this cancer some like to make it out to be, you get way more blue light from the sky than a tiny screen.
SO helpful!! Thank you!!!
The dilema between film and digital went the wrong way. Becuse at the end of the story the result is the picture, personally I am still in love with the result of film photography.
I think so far the only advantage of Optical over electronic is battery. Even with the camera off, the optical can look fuzzy as the LCD panel is no longer energized.
Very good and helpful video, thanks!
tl;dr
Optical viewfinders transmit the view from the camera’s lens through a system of mirrors and a prism.
Electronic viewfinders transmit the view electronically.
OVFs are sharp, clear and true-to-life, but display limited information and do not show you what the end picture will look like. Since the shutter has to be up to record video, the OVF is unusable during recording.
EVFs can be less detailed and suffer from lower refresh rates, but it will present a much more accurate depiction of what your picture will look like. Additionally, you can use the EVF while recording video.
Cleared it up for me thanks. Mirrorless for me.
Looks like your having WAAAAY too much fun in those viewfinders LOL… One good thing I've found with EVFs, you can also review your images (should you want to) without taking your eye away from the vewfinder. One not so good thing about EVFs, when using flash photography, you don't see the flash go off in the viewfinder. I'm always asking the subject if the flash fired!… Oh also shooting into the sun doesn't half blind you with an EVF.
I do have a question regarding the mirrorless cameras. Sometimes I do studio work and I tend to do either medium or low key lighting. Most of the time I shoot at 1/125 of a second and I range my aperture around f8, f11, or f16. Technically the light meter and histogram will show an underexposed image but I know by doing proper lighting technique my photographs will come out just the way I want them. Now, if I use a EVF with a very small aperture in a low key studio lighting setup would the image in the viewfinder be very dark? Will I even see anything in the viewfinder?
It would be great if they improve the response time on the EVF, my Canon EOS R, as much as I like it, I just find the EVF response not good for panning shots.
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Very useful presentation
I personally like optical better but the D750 and Im sure newer DLSR's have exposure preview in live view just set your exposure in live view hit the live view button again and look thru view finder take the pic and what you saw is what you get.. I do it all the time instead of taking a few test shots to save time... Granted its easier with an evf because its less steps but for me it isn't worth the money to switch to just drop a great dlsr that takes great images and works fine... for a feature I can do with an extra step..
Is Jared “Fro Knows Photoooos” Polin, cross eye dominant?
Enjoyed your video. Many Thanks. I wonder if the latest EVF has caught up with OVF in terms of VF lag; especially for fast action, i.e. "What you see is what you get"? What I meant was a dancer was facing you when you pressed the shutter but the resulting photo showed you the back of her neck? (Assuming that you have the right shutter speed) Sorry, Sony A7 II shows you the side and the Panasonic GX9 was definitely the back. Love to hear your insight especially I am considering if a Sony A7 III can replace my Nikon D3s for indoor sports event with fill flash?
I feel like EVF’s will cause a camera to die faster. Not that we don’t already upgrade pretty often, but that EVF just reminds me of just another computer that will die faster than a DSLR.