Richard Dawkins cruelly answers audience question
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- Richard Dawkins (author of "The God Delusion") gave a lecture at the Eden Court Theater (watch the whole lecture here: /view_play_list?p=9EF8FE04FE423B06) and the last audience question asked was from this deeply disturbed faithful christian believer. Richard Dawkins answers him rather succinctly...
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UHI Millenium Institute
April 2 2008
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Dawkins answer was not cruel at all, he was patient, respectful and kind.
The issue is that too many people include irrational emotions in their "reasoning" and are biased, Dawkins is devoid of emotions.
Way to go, Richard. If you can't give an intelligent answer to a question then tell them they're hallucinating! What a cop-out!
@@Ace1King1 He answered the question that was put to him. His prior answer was answering the same question.
@@danielsmith4715-d2k He's strong enough to express it that's all. Nobody chooses where they are going to be born !
@@danielsmith4715-d2k Understood; but not a person like Dawkins. Why ? Because he's NOT "someone", he's HIMSELF.
“I don’t doubt your sincerity” is actually an incredibly kind thing to say to someone you disagree with… just think about it…
He is not only saying, that he is suffering from hallucinations, but that this suffer is serious and incurable.
@@DrakeBrunette the first "he" is dawkins, the second "he" is the christian.
@@DrakeBrunette ah, i see. "Is there any possibility to offend someone on YT?" Mate, you just didn't get it.
Being religious in this christian's way means he is suffering from hallucinations. While the christian shows strength in his believe, dawkins responding may be about the severity of suffering from hallucinations.
Children, grow up, however, agree with initial statement. It is the only kind move to play
It was a excellent answer. And quite right too. It's not likely to change that man of course, but what can you do? This man wouldn't take no for an answer because he is convinced that His belief is correct, therefore it must be true.
What i find disturbing is that the language he used was a clear sign of indoctrination and 'people of faith' talking words into him. I recon he has had a moment of trouble in his life, resulting in trauma. And religious fanatics always prey on people in moments of weakness.
So what you see here is the result of how malignant religion is.
Dawkins wasn't cruel here.
He wasn't being cruel. He was being honest.
+Mich Washington Yah... the description of this video is way out of line....
+Mich Washington Dawkins left out ancient Polynesia and their worship of Tiki. Now the Tiki God is relegated to Tiki Bars and Mai Tais! Cheers!
+Mich Washington indeed very much so. you can embellish the phrasing. but if that is of comfort to people then they expose in a way that they are not reasoners. the content is what matters here, and one should know that when entering the field of reason.
+Mich Washington Yes Master Dawkins has Donned the role of Saul...Nothing to do with proving science.
+Mich Washington He was not being honest ....he was ignoring what someone else said. He was calling the man a liar or a nut.. The only thing that atheists have is that religious people are liars or crazy
There is nothing cruel, nothing rude here. He was asked a question and he simply answered it.
Marketing bullshit to get people to click on it, thus the term "clickbait", along with the photoshopped big boob girls, hunky men, etc. These people are nothing but slimy used car salesman types. Sad, pathetic little worms.
By committing the genetic fallacy
@@mohammadrizvi3326 How many Nobel prizes for the science? Religion falls pathetically apart when placed in a laboratory.
This is only as cruel as telling a 13 year old that the tooth fairy doesn’t exist.
Richard was very kind and appreciated the man’s sincerity.
This was only as cruel as telling an adult that the tooth fairy doesn't exist. He was trying to be as sensitive as he could whilst telling the truth.
I don’t think people worship the tooth fairy or lay on their death bed begging for the Easter Bunny’s help or pray that their dead relatives are safe at the North Pole with Santa. This stupid argument is completely not empathetic and carelessly made toward people who religion means something to. Not everyone who is religious is some naive moron or a child, religion and God can mean a lot more to people. Try to be more considerate of others and respect people for their beliefs. This is coming from someone who doesn’t believe in God and doesn’t follow a religion.
@@LuneyTune72 Why respect the view at all? Do you think all religions are valid? He could have said that the views of Islam, Christianity and Judaism are nothing more than tribal nonsense. That would have been more honest, he was actually very gentle.
@@LuneyTune72 I agree with some of that.
I'm afraid the similarities between believing in Jesus and believing in the tooth fairy are quite strong.
They both have the same amount of supporting evidence.
If people started worshiping the tooth fairy, I don't think that means I should suddenly accept it as a possiblity or respect the possibilty of the tooth fairy existing.
@@FederationStarShip Neither of us are arguing "how true" the legends are. I don't think you read my point at all. Try pulling your fedora-topped head out of your ass next time.
What I heard was, “ Ive built my entire life around something I was taught as a child, and I don’t know how to process the fact that it may have all been bullshit.”
I think he's desperate. He wants to find confirmations to his beliefs, because if he doesn't, he has to accept that he has built his entire life on hallucination.
Maybe it is better for him to stay in delusion. I think when people get out of delusion, they are lost and sad for a while. For him, it would be harder and he may die before having finish to be sad because of it.. he's too old to build another life, it's too late for him..
@@lunaelumen6622 For all the lies he has told, I hope he is sad for the rest of his life. Seems fair.
@@Graeme_Lastname you aren't lying when you don't know that what you say is false.
It takes a high level of deliberate negligence and ignorance to believe that there is no spiritual realm. Don't be ignorant guys. It's pride to assume there is no God.
If i reveal your full name, colour of cloth, your last thought, your secret information only you knew about, will u explain it with science?
Science can't explain prophetic graces, miracles and the Holy Spirit.. other religions may experience Spirituality aswell. But don't talk about things you are ignorant of. Science is not all there is. There are other dimensions to our existence. I speak from experience. When you encounter me, you will understand better. I hope to meet some of you physically someday.
@@actsoftheprophets2645 It takes a high level of deliberate negligence and ignorance to believe that you're not full of it. Take your fairy tales and ...
Dawkins can be a little insensitive and harsh at times, but this is not one of those times. The man asked him a question and he answered it honestly and respectfully. Some may not like the answer, but that doesn't make it cruel.
@Jim Why should the man say this to Dawkins ? This would contradict his own argumentation.
His argumentation is:
a) Jesus is real
and b) I have met him.
This man should answer the question: why do only christians met Jesus ?
I think Mr Dawkins misunderstood what was behind the man's question. An hallucination is a misperception that is believed. In vision, it is an optical illusion that is believed. For example if you look at fog on the surface of a mountain in the morning, and you perceive it as smoke, you are having an optical illusion. If you don't look again with skepticism, and just presume it really is smoke, then you are having an hallucination. If you believe it is smoke, and you make up a story about someone starting a forest fire that burns down 3 houses, then you are experiencing a delusion. The man was not experiencing a misperception of something. What the man was doing was believing a story that propagandists had told him, a made-up story. A complete story that was made up, based on something observed but then running off on a tangent and adding imaginary things, in addition - is a delusion, not a hallucination. The man, in believing what he was told, was sharing a delusion. That is different thing than hallucinating. It is greatly more divorced from reality than simply having an optical illusion, or having an hallucination. I think Mr Dawkins was being overly cautious in telling the man he was hallucinating. Making the mistake of thinking it might be kinder to say "hallucination" than "delusion." I think it would have been better, and kinder, to come right out and say: you are suffering from a delusion.
I'm not saying it is ever kind to say to someone "you are a nut, or you are a psycho, or even say I think you are suffering from a mental illness. That would have been comtemptuous and degrading. But "I think you are experiencing delusions" can be said without seeming derogatory. Yes delusions can make someone feel good, as well as make someone feel bad. Delusions that make you feel good may tend to be behaviorally reinforced by those good feelings. That may explain the persistence of some delusions, even absolutely ridiculous delusions like "he is risen" unless by "he is risen" they meant like what happens when you add leavening to glutinous wheat flour, and what metaphorically happens to people when they eat too much of that stuff, especially if it is accompanies by added fats and sweeteners - cookies and cakes as opposed to bread. The cake is risen; you eat a lot of it and you be "risen" too. Maybe Jesus ate a lot of cookies and cakes, and someone remarked: "Jesus Christ, is he risen!" and over the years it got misconstrued to mean he got up and walked away AFTER having died, rather than correctly understood to mean he got so fat from eating so much cake that he could barely get up and walk.
You need to look up the definition of "delusion" and "hallucination" because you don't seem to know the difference. He said that he literally met Jesus - that would be a hallucination. A delusion would be BELIEVING that donkeys can talk (Numbers 22:30) even if you've never seen it happen - that would be called "delusional thinking" if you believe that it's even possible. I'm not concerned with whether or not someone feels offended or degraded - I don't give a fuck how someone feels about the truth. If they don't like what's true then maybe they should just kill themselves because you can't escape the truth. You can try to by burying your nose in a book full of lies which is exactly what Christians try to do all the time but the truth doesn't change because a majority of people believe in it or don't believe in it. Christians hate the truth because it conflicts with their bible which is why Christians lie constantly. I don't even think they understand that they are lying though because a person who has brain damage doesn't know the difference between lying and telling the truth. Especially if they have damage to a specific part of the brain called the "Ventromedial Prefrontal Cortex" (which Christians do).
@@liquidbraino Was Paul the apostle deluded on the road to Damascus ,was John the revealator deluded on the island of Patmos?
Oh wait you've never opened a bible because of your stone cold black heart so you couldn't really have a true debate about it , now could you .? So yes Jesus can come to people in spirit yet you couldn't know that and anyone who says that He spoke to them are candidates for asylum. The bible calls you bloviating ignoramuses the Simple ones. How befitting.
You are correct on that one.
The phrase, "I can only explain it to you, I can't understand it for you" comes to mind when I hear Dawkins speak to people and answering their questions.
As an evolutionary biologist, Dawkins is great on most questions, but he totally falls apart on the deeper questions. He cannot address questions outside his area of expertise.
@@birdman7135
By these, "deeper questions" are you alluding to religious/spiritual mumbo jumbo?
Because if you are, no he does not "fall apart", that's what adults who pretend make-believe is real do when they're asked easy questions.
You're welcome, good luck with that.
@@jrskp3677 No, I’m talking about existential and philosophical questions beyond his area of expertise. Dawkins says the question “Why?” in regard to existence is a “non-sequitur.”
…That’s what people do when they have no answers to uncomfortable questions. They simply marginalize the question.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I’m not a theist.
@@birdman7135
Isn't an existential question actually a deep philosophical question in regards to someone or something's existence?
You do understand that those two things are a twofold subject and not separate, right? You seem to not know that as per how you phrased it.
And if you're looking for the meaning of life, you could try giving someone else's life some meaning.
There doesn't seem to be a meaning to life set by anyone other than ones own self, Dawkins' is to shed light on the darkness that humans have made up. Education is the best way out of ignorance, isn't it?
And I don't care what you believe or not, if I wanted to know, I'dve asked otherwise. I didn't because it doesn't matter. I didn't make an assumption, I used an example and there is a difference.
Why don't you go call Avenger and fly off to fantasy land where you can pretend like your views are meaningful? When you grow up, maybe you can go by Harvey.
@@birdman7135
And Dawkins still doesn't "fall apart" at philosophical questions.
Why does there have to be a meaning to life?
Why do you presuppose these things are real and warranted?
Telling a child that a perfectly innocent man was nailed to a piece of wood because of their sin is cruel. Dawkins didn't come knocking on this guy's front door to deliver the word of atheism. The guy turned up at a talk and invited Dawkins to stamp on his toys, he can't complain.
+fiveredpears
--- Then there's the backstory in Exodus that every adult Jew/Christian drills into his/her innocent children:
Q: Egyptians sinned by keeping the Chosen people as slaves; were they killed for doing so? A: No!
Q: Were innocent children killed because their parents kept the Chosen as slaves? A: Yes!
Q: What is the moral of that story for a child? A: God punishes children for the sins of their parents.
Q: Should we wonder whether those children will grow up needing to believe that an innocent died for THEIR sins? A: We should not.
--- The poor man in the video has no choice but to believe what he espoused. In his worldview, his sins will have doomed him to eternal torture if there was no innocent who died for those sins.
+Number Six Jesus was humanity's whipping boy.
+fiveredpears "Jesus was humanity's whipping boy."
--- And shame on His Dad for making Him that.
+Number Six you just nailed it... Straight up
+Number Six LOL
“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion.” - Daniel Dennett
The truth or otherwise of one or more religions is no grounds or basis for rejecting the existence of God. In fact the search for transcendence has been the most dominant issue in all human history. Plenty of people believe in a personal God but aren't church goers.
Btw, I'm still waiting for any denier to cite an actual infinite in the physical realm which must be the pre-requisite for atheism to be true. *If something physical exists now then it was a) created from absolutely nothing in the finite past or b) has existed in an infinite regress of past finite, physical events or states. You choose but be honest, or is that not a good survival strategy?
The truth or otherwise of one or more religions is no grounds or basis for rejecting the existence of God. In fact the search for transcendence has been the most dominant issue in all human history. Plenty of people believe in a personal God but aren't church goers. Especially those who waste endless hours in cyberspace trying to convince themselves he doesn't exist.
Btw, I'm still waiting for any denier to cite an actual infinite in the physical realm which must be the pre-requisite for atheism to be true. *If something physical exists now then it was a) created from absolutely nothing in the finite past or b) has existed in an infinite regress of past finite, physical events or states. You choose but be honest, or is that not a good survival strategy?
Gerry De naro and yet here we are - no proof of god/gods! ;)
Marriage is an illusion.
@@Gericho49
You're attempt to shift the goal posts fails miserably. Atheism = not believing based on lack of evidence, nothing more nothing less, no quantum mechanics, no infinite regress BS, no denying necessary. Accepting facts over fiction seems a pretty good survival strategy to me. In fact it's helped us progress over many a millennia.
Richard was indeed being honest. Having been raised by two religious wonderful kind parents, they were also being honest to how they perceived reality, but when I became an Atheist at the age of 70 years of age, I perceived "reality" from a completely different point of view. I am now 81 years of age, and the last 11 years, free of the confusion of all those religious dogmas, have been the best years of my entire life.
Praise Jesus the Risen Lord
This is not honesty, this is hostility I’m normal you are crazy is a stupid argument especially since 90% of ppl in the world believe in a higher power. These “crazies” are doctors lawyers pilots teachers that keep the world running. Dawkins is a bully that’s what he really is.
Wow good for you my dude!
I guess you really to spend all eternity in HELL then??
Being at my 60s, I am really happy for you. It is very hard to get rid of what have been etched on our mind since our birth. You have done a great job, I envy you!
What was so cruel about his answer? I think that he was being exceptionally patient with the person behind the microphone.
"Your life is a lie" was the message of what he said
@@chrishei3111 his life is built on a hallucination.
@@chrishei3111 It's true though.
To answer your first question, the title would be classed as moderate click bait to get views.
@@ChillAssTurtle ruclips.net/video/7Y4znlARl08/видео.html
That was actually the most calm and respectful way to tell this guy his beliefs are false
Even if Dawkins disagrees with somebody he is always respectful...a true gentleman.
Absolutely, without demonstration the man's experiences are just that and nothing more until proven otherwise.
And yet he didn't prove the man was hallucinating. I guess he was just acting on faith.
Massive amount of narcissism amongst Christians, especially the born again types. They don't represent what true religion is about, they're just noisy prophets of their own importance.
So you tell him he's wrong...and he's hallucinating...then what? if we all agreed with Richard, he'd be out of a job...I think he likes these big money gigs..if you want the truth...It's all about money you see...ALL.
There was nothing cruel about his answer. He was just honest. and right.
@Déjà Siku : There is no use proving it. I would show proof and you would show faith. Faith isn't proof.
I have sensed the Holy Spirit.. I am not Hallucinating. Millions can't be Hallucinating at the same time. It's common sense. I hope this Dawkins repents before he dies.
@@actsoftheprophets2645 Jones Town over 900 dead because of their stupid mass hallucinations but by all means drink the cool-aid.
How would you explain miracles and healings.. I have seen it. LIVE...
Talking about proof, am still in the course of my Spiritual training. Soon we would show practical and eye-saw miracles in the open. I think this is the proof many are waiting for. When you bring your relatives and see them healed in your very eyes. Instantly. Limbs grow out, deaf hear, blind see and lame walk. How will your science explains that in an instant. Pls don't be ignorant.
1:21 "I can not afford to build my life on hallucination" that sentence exactly explains why he can't change his mind. Because he would find out that 50 years of his life was wasted believing nonsense. It would be suicidal for his brain and ego. He would first need to allow himself to afford to change his mind and accept the brainwash. It could take years to heal the anger and resentment but he could eventually heal the delusion and come out healthy.
Paraphrased: "I'm not hallucinating because I can't afford to hallucinate." What a fantastic piece of "logic" (sigh) that is. You'd think that an all powerful, all knowing, creator of the universe god would either pick someone a little smarter than THAT to walk around with for 50+ years, or at least give him the ability to give a better answer than that.
@@rockethead7 Are you serious? Sheesh.
so, you were walking alongside the man for the last 50 years? You must have been to make the determination that his time was wasted! That is dedication!
That's a good exemplification of how the avoidance of cognitive dissonance is responsible for a myriad of "obviously false" beliefs
@@TheSandkastenverbot Did you take a literature class to learn to use big words in order to appear more intelligent, or quite possibly superior to all that read your babbling?
Without GOD, nothing would exist, Not all who worship give full glory to the one true GOD, but they generally do know of GOD and often by they're misleading become full of themselves also, thinking they can speak for GOD. GOD does not need anyone to do his bidding, I am certain of that.
The rest of this nonsense is more of a very well learned Literary speaker.
That should not be mistaken as intellect.
Intellect would not have to stand in front of a crowded room only to show off.
dawkins is a very well paid liar. He is more of a Politician than anything else. But you misguided young neduels will never understand until the one true GOD gets your attention.
If intelligent design (GOD) wasn't apart of all living things, no one would even have the ability for abstract thought.
There would be only chaos everywhere. No moral reasoning regarding anything whatsoever. murder would have no reason to be thought of as wrong.
Nothing could survive unless GOD wills it to.
Imagine living a hell hole like the country of Haiti, they worship the devil, voodoo. And there is no place on earth more completely void of any moral boundaries.
Where do you feel we as a human race would be ,,.. without some sort of moral standard?
dawkins' little bitch?
Perfect answer from Dawkins. It's great for this dude that he finds comfort in his faith, but I don't know why this guy expected Dawkins to suddenly bow down to his invisible sky daddy, just because he was passionate about it. What Dawkins said was 100% true. If he had been born in any of those other places, he would have been just as passionate about any of those other gods.
So you’re born in white supremacists racists world. That makes you a racist.
@@nellokiko6755 Well, possibly yes. At the very least it would be alot more likely, than if you hadn't been. If you spend your childhood around two white supremacist parents, taking you to clan rallies every weekend, to hear the leaders there speak(preach) their race theories, then yes, you are much more likely to be nurtured towards being a racist bigot yourself.
Are you really trying to suggest that no amount of impressions put upon you thru your upbringing has any bearing on who you grow up to be?
How many muslims are born and brought up by 2 indigenous inuits on Greenland?
Yeah and you could repeat that question with any metaphysics you want. For instance he could have stood up there and said the same thing about Tupac and claimed he was still alive everybody would have had no problem seeing how ridiculous such a statement was. That sort of thinking in everyday life is completely constrained by logic and common sense unless it's religion. Which still technically fits the definition of delusion but the DSM-5 gives religion an exception🙄
@@scottadams7219 it most certainly is not. You are just upset because you don’t know how to think like that and use it in everyday life. Which is why so much doubt comes out of your mouth.
@@nellokiko6755 Yeah we could all tell ridiculous stories to each other all day long if we wanted to. But some of us want to learn the truth about how we came to be not be force fed lies and deceit.
Indeed, I thought Dawkins was quite gentle with this poor man's delusion.
And me being a Christian, I thought the same too. This is why I appreciate Dawkins and his work.
@@samueljeyanessan8353 Lol you think your own beliefs are a delusion? Strange to say
@@SStupendous I think you misread my comment. I was referring to the gentleness of Dawkins, it showed respect though he harshly disagreed.
I agree. I thought Dawkins was truly trying to be respectful. But 'delusion' would have been a better and more medically accurate descriptor than 'hallucination.'
@@douglascutler1037 "Hallucinations are sensations that are not real, such as hearing voices or sounds that aren’t real. Hearing voices is a common hallucination, but hallucinations can be experiences with any sense-hearing, sight, smell, taste, or touch." - Canadian Mental Health Association. If someone claims to have "seen the risen Jesus", then they may well have experienced a hallucination. I'd consider a better and more medically likely description to be "liar" though.
Dawkins is anything but cruel in his response to this man and his uneducated questions. Dawkins even compliments him on his sincerity. Why the title?
You tube titles are often overstated. Gets more views.
hairyreasoner Another elegantly written debasing reply from yet another "open minded" atheist. Who can't even for a single moment consider that there is something bigger and better than himself. Probably thinks he is "a God" too. Probably also believes that science, a set of guesses and theories that have more of both than facts proven, is the end all be all of his minescule existence. So, atheist internet troll, this can be your new friend. He is just like you, pure science, no God, no spirituality, none of it. This is your new best friend, and you can go with him. Let me introduce you to, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele
One more thing, if not for the belief in God, and or in Christ, many of the ancestors that created you as their progeny would have never met, had kids, or perhaps would have never existed. So you owe your very life to God and or Christ, no matter what, and to the believers. Have a nice day.
Dale Corner "If not for the belief in God, and or in Christ, many of the ancestors that created you as their progeny would have never met, had kids, or perhaps would have never existed. "
--- But how do you console all of the unborn souls who will never have life because God drowned the people who would have been their ancestors?
***** oi i use the tooth fairy response lol get your own
God created cancer is not in use
Good call, ill google how to give a donkey flu and grab my 7 iron lol
Were gonna need a calm and friendly spokes person to promote how peaceful our religion is im gonna give mike tysons people a call
All hail the almighty tooth fairy !
Sometimes the truth can be harsh. I don't think he was cruel, however.
Dawkins is an asshole., Harsh, but true.
Breda Jake well said.
Breda Jake Atheists who have had NDE's do not fear death yet come to, believe in God because of their experience so there goes your theory all shot to hell.
David McCaig that's a very large, sweeping generalization. I know 2 people who have both been near-dead, one of them twice! Both ended up being LESS scared of death. No visions, either.
I found it to be funny as fuck and the guy looked like he was about to shit himself
I can say from my own personal experience as one who was trained daily as a child (not weekly church, daily teaching and studies) by religious "leaders" and over zealous parents, how incredibly hard it has been to retrain my brain after accepting the fallacy of those religious teachings later in life.
What about those all over the world who were not trained as a child and Yet came to know Jesus.
@@navarrodragon25 yes I would imagine they also have a hard time forgiving the liars who sold them on the idea of religious fairy tales.
@@Mouse_007 or are thankful they got the message
@@navarrodragon25 like kids are thankful for Santa Claus, Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy ?
@@Mouse_007 I'm guessing more so
"I can't afford to build my life on hallucination"
Well, sucks to be you buddy, because you did.
Jesus Himself calls u DELUDED in His Word......Richard Dawkins is called "A FOOL".........sucks to be Dawkins.......he already has one foot in the grave........no hope........nothing ...the system has been successful in deceiving u........,listen to Prof Walter Veith......zoologist and ex atheist .ruclips.net/video/_3R0bh9LtSc/видео.html
@@shiningstar3312 just read what you wrote, you sound like on drugs.
@@vonFisch ..........So u would rather believe the word of a deluded old fool with one foot in the grave and having ,000000001 percent of this worlds knowledge (if that) to the Word of JESUS (and there is sufficient proof that JESUS philosophy (LOVE) works and is eternal?) Humanity has to believe SOMETHING......some choose to believe JESUS.......some choose to believe doddering, arrogant old fools like Dawkins.........btw people falsely accused the disciples of JESUS to be drunk with wine (a drug) when they proclaimed the NAME of JESUS......take a listen...ruclips.net/video/qMU1soRrtJk/видео.html
@@vonFisch ....btw, Dr. Dawkins, a mediocre scientist, would lose HANDS DOWN in a debate with a WISE scientist, ex atheist and practicing CHRISTIAN as Prof Veith..........ruclips.net/video/VBhM-3p8FX4/видео.html..............unless u r not interested in truth ..then this won't make sense to u.
@@shiningstar3312 Oh you are so lost, I feel sorry for you...
If he was born in Manchester he'd be saying the same thing about Eric Cantona.
Lol
Cantona, seagulls, they all try to kick you in the head... 🤸♂️🤣🤕
😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
Good one! 😅
I feel so bad for Dawkins arguing with this particular man. you can tell that he takes no joy in telling this man his faith is just a hallucination. But I applaud him for being brutally honest. it may be harsh but it needs to be said
He's being brutally honest, but not brutal.
I don't accept it for a minute, but I'd rather believe I was living a life full of joy, meaning, hope and destiny within a loving supportive community. Than the alternative, which is to believe we're just a "collocation of atoms" (Russell) or a random "bunch of selfish genes living in a world of pitiless indifference," and destined for worm soup, as Dawkins asserts . The very last thing I'd be doing if atheism were true is waste another minute in cyberspace trying to prove the God who haunts my every waking moment doesn't exist. No wonder the search for transcendence has been the most dominant issue in all human history.
Gerry De naro
I live a perfectly happy life believing there is no god, it doesn’t bother me at all personally. It really depends on the person
@@Gericho49
"destined for worm soup" Its no wonder you are so unhappy. If we're not like you, we're rotting collections of atoms?
We accept hard facts yet remain joyous and look forward to this life.
"haunts my every waking moment doesn't exist" That's not what we do but we are increasingly resistant to peddlers of snake-oil who have ramped up their push into our lives desperately hoping to hold on to the last vestiges of control over us. Never again!
@Christ is king
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I see we've redefined "cruel."
That was sincere, honest, respectful, patient, kind, thoughtful, gentle, and merciful.
How can anyone think this was a cruel answer? It was the very model of patience and kindness.
Well, the asker was not very happy with the anwer and Dawkins knew he wouldn't.
@@obviativ123 it was a very *blunt* answer. But if the man really "can't afford to build his life on hallucinations", is it not cruelty to let him continue in them?
@@57Cell Maybe, but destroying his delusions is cruel too, in some way.
@@obviativ123 hell yeah. But I doubt the questioner will be disillusioned in this instance
It wasn't cruel, but it wasn't kind either. And the second part was not patient either
"Cruelly answers" ... Mr Dawkins was being very kind and considerate in telling the bloke he was delusional.
People like you are hilarious! You truly aren't aware of the irony are you?
@@philsurtees According to you, obviously not.
And very condescending and smug and patronising, you mean.
There's a difference between a hallucination and a delusion. I'm actually surprised that Dawkins didn't know which term was appropriate.
@@philgray1023 Hallucination or a delusion the religious bloke is imagining things.
No cruelty here, a simple answer. The genius of Dawkins is that he cuts straight to the point. He was kind to the man about his sincerity, but he also honoured him with the truth.
this man is a testement of patience and kindness, he doesn't have to call you an idiot, just point out the idiocy of your beliefs....in such a polite manner it's almost impossible to hate him for it even if you hate him for it :)
"It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that)." Richard Dawkins
He's helping you understand the truth, there is nothing cruel about that
I'm probably as far away from being a pious follower of any religion as you possibly can conceive of. But I think that RD in that moment may have been right in the substance. But he was totally oblivious of the virtue of grace, and I'm saying that fully aware how multi-faceted the term is. It's fine to be a convincing atheist which RD is. But I wish he had shown one bit more ambition and become an enlightened atheist. Then, he would have treated that poor man with more grace. And humanity.
So what you are saying is his delusions and belief systems are so ingrained into his identity and reality that one must tip toe on eggshells in trying to address said delusion. I say that, doing so is not only inhumane, but far less effective. You cannot speak of the virtue and say that one with delusion must be handed preferential treatment; when that delusion not only has and does harm to ones own grounding in reality, but also compels them to try and do the same to you. I also say that the more blunt the strike of reality, the more damaging it is to their belief system. This is exactly the point, and to that end, Dawkins was right on the money.
The club never has been an educative instrument of any value. All it does is increasing acrimony, aggression and conflict. Insisting that applying it is the only fair way of dealing with delusions is in most cases a poor camouflage for testosterone overflows and/or an unwillingness to think deeper. You can tell as much from 90% of the atheist vs. religion posts, resp. their captions, who claim that this or that person "destroyed", "owned", "mopped the floor with" their respective opponents. Apart from the fact that they are mostly unbelievably overstating the actual proceedings, they apparently all run the same argument (to quote you): "Being mild is not only inhumane, but far less effective".
Don't get me wrong. I enjoy watching a good fight, the types Dawkins or Hitchens fight or fought. Beyond the bravado, there is always something to learn, and you have a good time on top.
But these are fights among equals - more or less. And Dawkins, this time, lacked in basic human values because he did not pick someone his own size for his fighting mode. If Vladimir Klichko fights an amateur, he will not knock him out. He will have the grace to gently show his opponents his limits without making him lose his face. The responsibility of wrecking, of devastating a poor, simple old man for falling for religious gobbledygook in his lifetime weighs much heavier than the merit of having made the case for skepticism, agnosticism or atheism just one more time. Showing that kind of chivalry has nothing to do with condoning superstition, and failing to do so a lot with immaturity.
So I think Dawkins was not at all right on the money.
What makes you think he can help or has the capacity to
+ Dare Olushina huh?
He seemed pretty nice and straight forward. He met the man as an equal and didn't condescend to him.
and because of it, the world had to listen to him twice
dawkins gave humanity the term memetics, we pissed on it but
in what sense is that burke an equal. limb count?
@@atomictraveller he said he met the man as an equal, not that he was an equal.
@@atomictraveller not seen someone use burke for ages. I love that word.
@@gman-zr1ie But all that kissing!
Why is it cruel or wrong to disagree with a person's religion? It appears that however misguided anything held as a belief in the religious sense is beyond question or criticism.
Jesus is The Rock!? Damn, I'm converting. I love Dwayne Johnson.
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Hollywoods secret is being revealed
So thats why the Rock is in so many movies
Hes cooking
@@franzantu7816 Gladly
Franz Antu : nothing wrong that the Rock is gay. He was made that way. His way.
The rock says know your role and shut your mouth and smell what I am cooking
he was kind and professional af. how is that cruel? dude can’t share his experience with anyone nor prove it happened, ergo, it’s not believable. dawkins is a treasure for humanity, and he’s delightfully polite even when he’s breaking down believies into atoms.
I'm sorry, I might have missed the part where he "cruelly answers audience question."
Makes for a better headline. People aren't interested in someone being kind.
Well If Swami Vivekananda was alive I bet he they would have had an interesting conversation.
@@uselesshero.official He was alive from January 12, 1863 to July 4, 1902.
@@jamesmcinnis208 I already said if he 'was' alive.
@@uselesshero.official I saw that. I think the idea you want to express is if he "were" alive.
There is nothing cruel about Richards response I think he treated him with
the respect you would treat any 5 year old that says he believes in Santa.
:P Well, I doubt a parent would say the same thing to their child. Ha ha. Though that's funny.
There's no "nice" way to field a question like this, he can only show the man respect by answering the question as honestly as he can.
Correct. Dawkins is as nutty as the religious fanatic.
@@saintmartins6729 If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased cult members, then it MUST be a reliable source, right? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Go ahead! Let’s see you post a video showing you drinking deadly poison without harm. It’s not like the anonymous, biased cult members who wrote Mark were proven liars, forgers and frauds, right?
Prof. Dawkins is a great scientist. He’s already revolutionized our way of thinking about the reality and not hallucinating. He is on par with the great naturalist, geologist and biologist Charles Darwin at his time.
I would not take it that far. Darwin is probably the greatest human of the last 1000 years. His discoveries and books made it possible for humans to escape the shackles of religion and revolutionised human understanding of the origin of life. Dawkins has built on this but to say he is equally important is just not true.
@@gullintanni I agree that Dawkins in not Darwin but I smiled at Darya Baghdar's words as I think he was poking at those that disagree. Smiles
Hallucinating was not too cruel. The man was claiming visions. Dawkins responded with gentle courtesy. Disagreement is not discourtesy.
Valkyrie Sardo That's the problem with Christians. Their religious beliefs become a part of them personally. So whenever someone challenges their beliefs or provides evidence that their beliefs are wrong, they take it as a personal affront to them intend of being able to question their belief as well. Because if their beliefs are threatened, then everything in their life is being threatened as well.
Claiming visions? That's like politicians claiming honesty. There's always some mug who'll believe it.
How is this cruel? It's obvious.
I agree. Dawkins was polite but frank. The gentleman likely never thought beyond his own question, and thus never expected a genuine answer in return. In a way, it was a bit like a child innocently asking "Why don't you believe in Santa?"
Michael Goolsby yes I understand that. But a child matures into a person who should question everything they are told. That's the problem with religion. They don't want questioned; because they have no answers. Everyone on this earth is a mortal homosapien. If it brings you comfort to believe in god, then fine. But to force it upon children, and everyone else is a crime against humanity
Ryan They, the religious, insert god where they don't have an answer
Ryan F the "cruelty" lies with the suggestion to wipe away 50 years of a devout belief.
is it cruel to tell an adult who still believes in santa that he probably doesn't exist? if anything he is doing the guy a service.
Cruel? No. He cares enough to tell him the truth.
Richard's answer to this deluded, idiotic question is actually admirably polite and restrained!
Not really idiotic. He is a human being and somehow we have evolved to be prone to this delusion....Atheists make up only 7% of the world population and most of those are from China where the state does not program this delusion to comfort humans yearning to be always with their loved ones.
@@lindakautzman7388 Blah blah. Don't care.
How dare he respond with a rational argument?!
Ya that's not very religious like..
Anup Dhariwal Spot on sir.
My point, once again, is not that those ancient people told literal stories and we are now smart enough to take them symbolically, but that they told them symbolically and we are now dumb enough to take them literally.
how dare he play the Nazi pig.
@@jespermayland571 there is a term that describes multilevels of a text. It is called polyvalence. It means more than one meaning. When describing a complicated event one can use words that are symbolic or have meanings known only to the educated. It is also used to hide meanings from others who do not have a need to know. Example. Adam and Eve spoke to a snake. Clearly it was not a snake since it was cursed later to crawl on the ground. So what was it? It is not important. The event is what is important yea? Without a full knowledge of Hebrew we will not likely know the various meanings attached to the word that sounds like the word used also for snake. For this reason mythology , which means history, cannot truly be translated nor understood.
How is it every religion thinks that THEY are right and every OTHER religion is going to hell... How does that make sense to anyone
CAL1FORNIASUPERSTAR I think it may be in part to the fact that what every religion has in common, _even if they deny it_, is the narcissism of their god.
Not "every" religion have those dogmas.
Right Chris, most religions don't even have a hell! And Buddhism doesn't even have a god, though the Buddah certainly does appear to be godlike at times.
The better question is why do the believers of every religion think that theirs is the one true religion. You can't all be right, but you can all be wrong.
+Chris S every "other" religion is not based on the bible you twat
It doesn't make sense to anyone but they have to say it does or the magic man in the sky will get angry at them.
Remember: "Offensive" is NOT a synonym for "Wrong".
What a fantastic way to represent your point. I couldn't agree more.
@A M Who's Dawson?
@A M Cool. 👍
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@A M Don't murder your gay son for Jesus today: "Christian father shot his son dead for being gay" www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520151/LA-man-accused-shoot-son-gay-wife-killed.html Where would he get that crazy idea? "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (Lev. 20:13).
This guy is trying to recruit... Pure and simple.Hes trying to trip Dawkins up with the same ancient cult talk... And Dawkins isn't having it.
Dawkins could have just said, "Prove it." How do you tell the difference between an imaginary god and a real one? He was very patient, kind, and truthful.
What are you talkin about? Proving something means to be adequate with rational perception and knowledge, but rationality can only comprehend rational things. There is no need for prooving anything if you feel something you call "God", its self-enough. But these religious idiots are having 0 experiences of numinous things and thats the reason they are believing in it EXTERNALLY. Its not damn external thing, nor is hallucination... its subjective set of self-transcendence paths that are magnetizing eachother to a state of profound immersive intuitive understanding of everything... these experiences are pretty much real, but you need to work on yourself very much, reading, experiensing things, music, movies, writtings, wonderings... lots of spiritual tunning so it COULD occure... I mean, its not something that is certain, for sure not if u r intentionally seeking for it, you'll miss it for sure.. just believe me: God is HUMANS idea. There is no God in sky or anywhere OUTSIDE of ourselves. And when i say ourselves, i mean this: your profound experience is only comprehendable by that name - "God", and that is the name u should use not to persuade other people in anything but to be closer to yourself and your spiritual awareness. People will never realize this and this is crutial..
God has nothing to do with proof or evidence, He is all about faith.
@@Intimatycal so you claim to know every one else experience? Hummm we have medicine that can help you with reality issue and your anger.
@@aman-qj5sx Science is humans invention as well. It doesn't constitute awareness by itself, eclecticism does. If you want to be "more self-aware", you need to take every aspect of humans invention into consideration, ranging from pre-Socratic wonderings through mythos and religion etc, because as I said your rational thinking can only comprehend rational things, and, you know, we are not the islands on the sea... So PhD will not help you in upgrading your "self-awareness" nor it would determine the validity of your argumentation or elaboration even if thoroughly backed up with that institutionalized knowledge/PhD, but the quality of the content provided by your self-education and experience will.
@@henochparks You are just clueless.
If there was cruelty here, it was done to honesty in the video's title.
you said it best.
"The truth that shocks is better than the lie that poisons."
- Me
You are wise. And you're also a damn good golfer.
@@robertpotter7940 I used to hear that all the time... thanks for the throwback!
@@robertpotter7940 you are correct. And you also make objects from clay with your hands.
But first you have to be sure about what is a lie and what is a truth - me
@@MRakshay-fb2mu Well-spoken, sir. I know how I tell the difference. How do you do it?
Although the distinction may be a fine one, I would say that 'hallucinating' occurs when someone sees things which are not there, while 'faith' is believing in things that one cannot see.
That said, I truly feel sorry for anyone who believes that the tenets of their respective religions are absolute fact, especially when they use their own beliefs as the basis for controlling other people.
The guy said he walks with Jesus
Such an important distinction, kudos to you, Kyle. Humans cannot help but have faith in things unseen, that is how our psyches are set up. Go read Kant. Honesty about that would help both parties in this discussion. Dawkins places his faith in scientific materialism, most likely. It isn't a hallucination that Dawkins bases all his arguments on that position, it is his faith.
The title should be Dawkins answers question honestly.
Ah but he isn't honest. Quite criminal in fact. Seeking to impose his "logic" on others.
@@saintmartins6729 At least Dr. Dawkins isn't telling credulous fanatics to murder children and infants. "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3).
@@saintmartins6729 where is he dishonest?
@@scrotiemcboogerballs4967 When you see his mouth moving.
@@saintmartins6729 we need specifics otherwise its just name calling.
Cruelly answers?? I could name at least 50 other Dawkins answers that are more "cruel" than this. Honestly I don't see how he could have been more polite.
The rrrrock. haha
Wasn't being cruel ....... The audience member is a full grown adult for christ sake ! Time to wake up to reality .
nice pun
@Ad Lockhorst Mentally he's gullible and was taken advantage by religion and was convinced at a very young age to believe in myth and superstition as was I and I'm most everyone . But I used my own brain and it's reason and critical thinking . And was able to see the absurdity of the whole proposition . Even though everyone around me believed in it just because they were told it was true . I was about 11yrs. old at the time .
Laughing at that comment "The audience member is a full grown adult for christ sake ! " Exactly !
Like Dave Allen said, "I'm an atheist, thank God!"
Which is? The reality is that all living creatures die and you have to wake up to that quick. Don't bet your eternity on what Dawkins said. Consider the data available very carefully.
Seems honest and straightforward to me. How else was Richard to answer him, by feeding into his hallucinations
How cruel is it the way atheists and agnostics have been treated through the ages. Try to get most jobs or a girlfriend and if you are honest you are out of a job or possible marriage. Muslims can win an election; atheists can't in the US.
“The gods we’ve made are exactly the gods you’d expect to be made by a species that is about half a chromosome away from the chimpanzee.” - Christopher Hitchens said. Thought one breed of monkeys is more human that man.
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobia, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. In the New Testament he gets worse.
Imaginary God was a vindictive as hell. And Jesus is more punishing than bastardy god. He believed and liked the idea of eternal punishment or never spoke out against it. Infinite torture for you even if you are moral. His criteria for getting into heaven is contemptible, disgusting - believe in me, that’s all it takes. A close reading of the Old Testament is filled with horrendous lessons on how to treat people. A god that kills almost everyone on Earth in a flood: that’s pretty crazy. A god that commands Joshua to murder all the women and children except for the young girls, who can be taken as sex slaves. The 10 commandments tell you that working on Saturday is a sin and the first four commandments are vanity plate for god. God eventually goes into great detail about how to deal with cattle thieves, isolating women on their period, and which fabrics to wear at the same time; but nowhere in those ten commandments, or in the six hundred and three that come after it, does it say “Don’t abuse children,” or “Don’t enslave people,” or “Don’t rape.” The Bible was written by human beings at a time when stealing a person’s livestock was a crime punishable by death, but raping a young girl was easily remedied by following it up with a marriage proposal. Jesus cleaned it up but still believe in Hell for moral non-believers (atheists are as moral as believers .. look it up in any scientific study. Of course shallow minded people won't). Jesus and religion is a shakedown; I got matches and you're flammable.
Delusion is just part of the problem.. god can be such a bad mentor.
Every knee shall bow and every tongue including yours that Jesus Christ is Lord it takes a whole lot more faith it's a lot harder to be an atheist and it's a lot easier to believe in Jesus the fool has said in his heart that there is no God if you're an atheist or an agnostic when you die without turning to Christ you're going to be in hell for eternity you're going to say what a fool I was and you're going to say that for the rest of eternity in the midst of infinite terror infinite suffering in the Lake of fire it ain't a pretty picture it's a train of pain Satan is the driver it's a long long long long long long very long black train with incredibly black dark smoke coming out of it blacker than any smoke you've ever seen Satan like I said is the driver Satan laughs at people who say they're atheists agnostics because Satan believes in God absolutely so do the demons they are all fallen angels Satan fell he was God's highest angel in heaven don't let Satan snooker you we have a song on the internet train of pain it's about hell it's about judgment that train is chugga chugging down the tracks right now to our country there's a train on the way and it's a train a train of pain and when you see it I pray you never see it it will be too late it'll be eternally too late you got your ticket and you're at the gate the gates of hell and when you get to the gates of hell which I pray you don't you will abandon all hope forever the Lake of fire is not a good thing to be in only fools don't believe in God because the fool has said in his heart there is no God therefore for all eternity people who say there's no God are going to say what a fool I was because I let Satan snooker me lie to me I mean you have the creation of the world to prove there's a God the world is without any excuse before God concerning his existence the heavens declare the glory of God and I know all atheists aren't 100% sure there is no God they got that one or two percent inside of them always nagging at them you know there's something out there and you're afraid of it be born from above the train of pain is on the internet right now our band is called the Martin rampquist connection you can hear the song on Alexa say Alexa go to the Tom Martin connection and play train of pain you can go to Apple music and Spotify too our song this week will be streamed to 3,000 platforms Nationwide worldwide every online store radio stations in every state city Nationwide town worldwide we have another song too many people that's going to be on the internet soon too it's a follow-up to the train of pain about the Lost line condition of the people in this world the entire world is walking a tightrope they are right at the edge of the abyss all their lives pulling the dice gambling with their souls playing Russian roulette not realizing today could be the day they fall off the tightrope and the silver cord is cut and they go into eternity they fall off the tightrope and plunge into the abyss of hell that's what that song is about putting the shade on the light all their lives so they can't see the true light of the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ if you repent and be saved you will make it to the other side of the tightrope safely on the other side you either turn or burn the song will be on the internet and radio station soon I am the singer of it I'm the lead singer in our band
What you believe and why you believe seems an eternal question. You don’t have to be smart to brush it off. Many greater men have seriously addressed similar questions. Aquinas comes to mind.
@@rayre3617I was watching a video about Richard Dawkins someone asked him the question what have you wrong Mr Dawkins about their being no God I was thinking about that the thing about Mr Dawkins is he's 100% wrong because the Bible says pretty frankly starkley the fool has said in his heart that there is no God!!! That's a pretty Stark statement it's very foolish for a petty human being who's going to die and his soul is going to continue living forever your soul will never die it'll either be in heaven or hell and you'll be conscious after death your soul will retain that you will remember everything on Earth and when an atheist unrepentant atheists is in hell they're going to say what a fool I was they will be saying that for all eternity those words will be burning into their souls as they are letting out shreaks of terror and pain infinite suffering infinite darkness separated from God forever all alone but there will be billions and billions and billions and billions and billions of people there they will hear their screams but they will still be all alone it's terrifying when you don't believe in God it's a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God a petty human being who has no power at all we can't do anything without God without him or lost under wrath doomed to eternal hell and everybody deserves it we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God fall short nobody deserves heaven we have no reason to think we are anything people get cocky they think there's something when they're nothing all these big shots all over the place thinking there's something when there's absolutely nothing people are maggots or worms in God's eyes until they have Jesus then he makes them a new creation we don't have any reason to walk around sputners whatever like a peacock look at all of Hollywood entertainers who didn't believe in God they're not around anymore they're in hell if they didn't repent they're not walking around all cocky anymore God takes the smirk off of every cocky atheist eventually when he throws them into the Lake of fire God will laugh at the wicked in derision we're all like grasshoppers in the sight of God like little fruit flies God is as big as the whole universe you're going to die one day the silver cord is going to be cut your soul's going to be required by God if you're a Christian you'll be at the judgment seat of Christ if you're not a Christian you'll be judged and thrown into the lake of fire at the great white throne judgment we have a song called train of pain it's on the Internet it's going to be streamed to 3,000 platforms Nationwide worldwide radio stations everywhere God is bringing the word judgment and hell to the Nationwide spotlight the song will be the subject of water cooler conversations everywhere you Don't mess with God he's nice he loves people but he has to punish sin that's why that's the only reason why he throws people into the Lake of fire it's because they harden their hearts towards God so much they can't be saved anymore they're reprobates they went too far so God has no choice but to throw them alive into hellfire repent and be saved be born from above become a new creature be saved by his loving grace every kid when they're born they believe in Jesus every kid Hitler believes in Jesus when he was a kid atheist just throw that belief away because they want to continue in their sins they're evil there's no such thing as an atheist that knows for sure they're right there's always doubting their mind that they may not be right and you know what they are 100% wrong I'm saying this out of love turn to Christ don't let Satan Snicker you anymore with that nonsense that there's no God Satan believes in God the demons do and they tremble in fear and they laugh at human beings when they say they don't believe in God because Satan thinks believes he has them snookered and on the way to hell he wants you to burn forever he doesn't love you
@@wayneramquist367
Wow, so many CLAIMS in just one comment, and such extravagant ones too. But no evidence for any of them.
That's why you seem delusional, in case you ever wondered about that.
"What do you say to someone to has met the living and risen Jesus Christ?"
Uh, you're delusional?
Coy Hampton As soon as he said that I knew this guy is fucking crazy.
+Coy Hampton
"What do you say to someone to has met the living and risen Jesus Christ?"
You're looking well for a man pushing 2000!
+Coy Hampton I would say "fuck you" and spit on them.
+Coy Hampton i'd say why didn't you tell him to cut the crap and just prove his existence?
+Coy Hampton If I had a whole day to waste, I'd ask for a detailed description.
But not in front of an audience that did not have such time on their hands.
As a Scot, I found it disturbing that the poor fellow wasn't English, or American, or even German.
Religion is toxic. Knowledge is power.
Chris S Ok how did u come to know about the size of the universe? Did ur jesus tell u that? That's the power of knowledge u asshat, that's the power resulting from tapping the critical thinking sections of the brain u religious simpletons have been failing to tap since time immemorial. Smh
EattherichBuddy but religion is knowledge so religion is power.
sure, learn how to use your soul, and that power will only consume your good self
Jacob Racquer so every ten seconds a child dies? that's is horrible because I think, it like there will be no children after all, chase that is short time to spectacle a kid to keep dying
Jacob Racquer well why is that?
“ I cannot afford to build my life on an hallucination”... and yet you’ve done exactly that.
*yet
@@deanmoncaster Thanks. Fixed.
@@dirkdiggler9482 I'm impressed and a Spot on quote!
What is life, but a hallucination... We perceive our reality because we converse with one another about it, but who's to say what I see is the same as what you see?
All of this is simply vibration.
@@WhoThisMonkey if you perceive the same hallucination every time you find yourself in the same situation you can rest assured you can rely on it.
Thanks, Richard, for not catering to religious delusions.
Yep, that chaps opening statement could be heard in any Mental Health Ward. Dawkins is 100 percent correct.
“The first priest was the first rogue who met the first fool.” - Voltaire
Wow... That's a stunner of an adage.
If there are two people in a room and one of them is a demonstrable fool, if the other person in the room does not name his companion as a fool, there a two fools in the roof.
Sorry... room.
Brilliant
Are you sure it is from him ? I didn't find it in French.
Religion was made when the first con man met the first fool - Mark twain.
On the contrary, he is being very kind and truthful.
Dawkins is a class debater. He did not put that man down. He was not cruel to him. He spoke truthfully. And most of all he spoke LOGICALLY.
There is a difference between '' cruelty '' and '' honesty ''. Mr. Dawkins was honest. And RIGHT !!!!
Dawkins is a fool
@@Rene-uj5vw I disagree. The fool in the video above is the person who asked the question to which Mr. Dawkins replied.
@Ernesto Mathurin Yes I Do.
@Ernesto Mathurin Science doesn 't exactly '' change ''. It '' enriches '' itself. When new evidence or theories appear , the old ones don 't cease to exist or lose their value.
@Ernesto Mathurin Not until disproven.
There is nothing cruelly about this, he was being nice. If he was being cruel, he said you are a fucking idiot, and not able to reason properly. He was just pointing out his opinion, and the fact that he did not agree, does not make him cruel.
it's a sad world we live in when somebody being honest to another person is considered being 'cruel'.
Can you name an early civilization that was born of a direct disbelief of a God? I think you believe in nothing, not even yourself you bag of irrationality, all forward thought is borne of a faith in the higher power, tell me what would you like to hear?
Derk Berk you honestly have such a poor understanding of history that you cant name an atheistic civilization? that's pretty pathetic: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism#Indian_philosophy
start there.....as for what theism has done for humanity, can you name me one scientific or moral advancement made in the past 100 (you can go further if you'd like) years that has been replaced by it's religious contemporary? no. it doesnt happen. not in science and definitely not in morality. secular morality has shown itself over and over again to be superior to religious morality (and more polite, i might add).
Well done boy, you did a wee bit of research, props. You've spent a few days getting back to me, did you lose sleep in that time?
You are right as usual, congrats.
Derk Berk "Well done boy, you did a wee bit of research, props. You've spent a few days getting back to me, did you lose sleep in that time?"
no research required....i paid attention in school. ;-)
lose sleep? about what? you not knowing simple history? nope, that doesnt concern me any. it takes me days to get back to you because im an adult with a wife and two kids. i have a life that exists outside of youtube (i know...shocking, isnt it? a life outside of the internet?)
When he stated that he had "met the risen and living Lord Jesus Christ" I would have asked him to provide me with extraordinary evidence to back up his extraordinary claim.
Absolutely! Somehow though they can never do that can they, wonder why?? 🤔🤔🤔
Were I asked that question instead of Dawkins I would answered as follows: "What do YOU have to say to people who report the same kind of experience with gods YOU don't believe in? I strongly suspect your answer to THAT question will have much in common with my answer to yours."
The point being that it's not just atheists who reject "god experiences" with gods they do NOT believe exist.
+David Blickstein
--- It's all amazingly simple! Someone who speaks of his interactions with MY God is being logical and clear headed. When he speaks of his interacts with some other God, he's demonstrating that he is bat-shit crazy.
easy: THEYRE ALL WRONG MY GOD IS THE RIGHT GOD BECAUSE HE SAID SO IT SAID SO IN HIS BOOK AND IT SAID SO
dont ask dumb questions pls
Actually other religious people more adamantly attack other "god experiences" than most atheists do.
Most atheists will just calmly state...that's nonsense and you have no evidence for it.
Where other religious people will freak out and you know...murder them via constant religious wars.
OIC so all the reported gods are real?
Nothing cruel here! The guy was trying to preach to the Professor under the guise of asking a question. Professor Dawkins, however could have used a different word than hallucinating. This word was a bit tart. What he should of said was that there is a difference between feelings and beliefs, and the facts. I am a big fan of Richard Dawkins but he is only a human and at times he makes mistakes. The word cruel is also not applicable to Richards answer either. Perhaps poor taste but not cruel especially with the way this individual asked the question!!!
I agree! Except .. what word other than "hallucinating" could/should Dawkins have used? But also, it was important that Dawkins' made his point so clearly.
Mike Goldsmith I would have preferred a phrase that he has used before. Something like " This is how you feel but is not reality. Unless you can prove it." Deep emotional feelings are what these people are going through based on incredible faith. Hallucinating is more associated with real per reviewed mental disorders. I have many friends that are religious and some say stuff like the dude said to Dawkins. I just simply say that if God works for you I am happy for you. It just doesn't work for me. Cheers!
I don't think Dawkins was being in the least bit cruel. He acknowledged the man's sincerity, a gentle way of saying that whilst he didn't think the man was lying, he was hallucinating. Hallucinating implies hearing of seeing something that isn't there. In fact, I'd have preferred the professor had been a little stronger and used the word delusional, which implies an almost willful self-deceit, or at least a pathological cause of such.
Tristian Trigg Good point. The definition of seeing is the key to me. Is it visually seeing, mentally seeing or "spiritually" seeing. A visual seeing of something not there is felt by most mental health professionals to be a hallucination. And there is medication for that. I am an atheist and feel that praying is just talking to one self. But there are those, and I was one of them that really feel that someone is listening. The uploader used the word cruel which implies insensitive in a severe way. I'm with you. I didn't see that. But, most of these fanatics will see any arguments about their illusions as cruel. I use to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. So I know. If it were me I would say to the guy what I usually tell these people. " Emotional feelings are what they are. But facts are facts. Your not presenting me facts." Cheers!
gavin fitzsimons I left twice. I always had a problem with them ever since I was a kid. 8 years ago I resigned and as I look back I was probably a deist. I took an acting class and began doing stand up and announcing semi professional football. They looked on that as worldly. They were getting involved in my marriage problems and it was none of their business. I went back into the religion about 4 years ago and the act fell completely within 1 year. I now see myself as an atheist. My son has joined me at the age of 15 as an atheist. In short they are a group of brainwashed idiots run by serious control freaks in N.Y. They rob people, especially kids of their childhoods with stupid rules and principles. They even snub their noses at kids who want to go to college. I influenced my kid away from that shit. Now he is pursuing HIS dreams instead of the nightmares of 12 useless old men in Brooklyn. He loves Parkour and Astrophysics. It has ruined my marriage. But his mother is brainwashed too. She thinks that because of me he will be destroyed on judgment day. I have many friends that are religious. But these people are wacked.
Dawkins being straight up...cruel is over the top, he was more than polite 😊
Dawkins is a pseudo-scholar whose arguments require much more faith than that required by Christians. He is, quite simply, a fraud.
@@michaeldulaney5597 there’s no ‘faith’ required when science 🧬 and facts are so abundant...i’m sure it takes a whole lot of ‘faith’ getting by on fairy tales ☺️🧚♀️
@@michaeldulaney5597 Perhaps some of the writings of Dawkins you can disagree with given that some of it is bound to be opinionated, but a scientific law, and most accepted theories, such as the theory of relativity and the gravitational theory are just that accepted to be the truth by humanity as there is no other explanation. A theory in this case just means that it is open to be dis-proven but can not be dis-proven both mathematically or physically. Biology (Dawkin's feild) is a little more disjointed that that of mathematics or physics in this sense, where we have evolution, where there is abundant evidence for that to be true, and none against it. The only reason it is not a law is that we have not had 100 million years to observe it. Dawkins does work more along these lines, however in his speakings and his knowledge of science and specifically biology and love for the arts has gone into a more philosophical role, promoting atheism, or more accurately agnosticism and making ones own choices, while still voicing his opinion on subjects. So either you are as delusional as the mad in this video or you crave attention, no matter what kind of attention it is. Whichever case it might be I wish you luck in alleviating whatever issue it might be. Please have a basic comprehension of what you are saying before you speak, especially in a format like this. If you have evidence to suggest that Dawkins is a pseudo-scholar/scientist then I would love to see it.
@@michaeldulaney5597 So I guess you're into fairytales, are you?
Yeah, title is very misleading.
I would just call it being brutally honest
Dawkins, to his great credit, is being very gentle and gentleman-like with this person who is an example of the very indoctrination Dawkins cites; I commend him for his insight and civility, The human brain has repeatedly shown how malleable it is; part of the reason for the success of the species,
Dawkins is the type of person who responds to how he is treated, but always with reason and what he thinks is right. This is just one of those moments.
“Truthfully” is the adverb I’d choose. There’s no cruelty involved.
For the sake of argument let's say that God exists and gave us all free will. Now, an atheist chooses to believe that God does not exist so when God sees this, He respects the atheists free will and does not go near that person. When God looks at the person who believes in Him He sees that He is welcome so that person receives God's blessing and protection. Two different people, two different realities. The atheist is correct, no God, and for the believer, God.
@@jeffforsythe9514
4th time.
@@LibrarianValkyrie Your hero is an arrogant unhappy man. Arrogance is not a virtue. I am way past the debating stage of my existence. Good luck.
Dawkins hasn't cruelly answered this guy, he has honestly answered this poor deluded man...
"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." ― Euripides
Of course, someone with a CHRISTIAN view that is different from yours is a fool. But if it was a MUSLIM nobody would say anything to him
He didn't call Dawkins foolish - I've never seen someone ask and respond to a lecturer so respectfully.
@Jnr Burns You would call Dawkins foolish? Did you read my comment keyboard warrior?
@Jnr Burns Is not a scientific theory accepted as fact, but based on mere speculation, stupidity, and ignorance?
@Jnr Burns How am I stupid for saying it is rather stupid to believe things based on little fact? How you got that as meaning I'm religious I don't know. What I DO know is that because of your comically offended responses, you must be a believer of some of these theories and fairy tales, lol
After the Hitchslap, I present to you... The Richslap.
Yes my friend
But wouldn't it be dick slap because short for Richard is dick.
@@amosbrazeau5272 you win the internet for today, my dude!!
Jesus the only true God
@@skanderberg8701 If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased cult members, then it MUST be a reliable source, right? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Go ahead! Let’s see you post a video showing you drinking deadly poison without harm. It’s not like the anonymous, biased cult members who wrote Mark were proven liars, forgers and frauds, right?
Nothing cruel? Answered the question with science and intelligence versus religious fiction!
It was cruel in a very clear and obvious sense. When a child is finally told _"Father Christmas didn't put your presents under the tree, your parents did"_ it can be a heartbreaking time.
If there was any cruelty, it was probably in the thoughts of the man who asked the question after Dawkins gave him an answer that he could neither accept nor understand. I'm sure he was sulking as he sat down and was thinking "He will find out. I know I'm right" with the narcissistic and smug self-assurance they carry with themselves throughout life.
'Cruelly? It seemed to me that Dawkins was trying to be civil - dare I say? - nice to the man. He not once insulted him.
there are insidous ways of insulting people, you should analyse dawkins speech from a linguistic point of view, he's quite insidious and very smart. To tell a man that is happy in his belief that he's hallucinating, is cruel. Personally i think we should just leave religious people alone, even if we think they are mental. Live and let Live no? Dawkins however has embarked on some sort of crusade with the same zeal as many religious zealots
j callaghan So how does he answer a direct question if you think he should leave the man alone?
I just think he doesn't need to be so scathing, a human being has the right to believe whatever he wants.
How was he scathing?? I think he was overly polite. I'd have told the guy he was a fucking moron.
j callaghan mabey cruel, but true.
Someone once said to me “one person with an imaginary friend is called Delusional, thousands of people with imaginary friend, a Religion “
“When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.”
― Robert M. Pirsig
What a stupid comment. It highlights how internet anti theists think of themselves as intellectually superior. "If you disagree with me, you're delusional!"
@@promethium-145 It's not "If you disagree with me, you are delusional". More "if you believe something without any evidence or scientific backing, and then expect others to believe just as you believe, solely because you and others like you believe it... then you are delusional". You have no more proof of your god than any other faith has proof of theirs.
I would also agree that on average those that do not believe in god are intellectually superior with regards to religion. Studies have been done (The pew forum is one) that shows Atheists/Agnostics are more informed on multiple religions than the religious are of their own.
"American atheists and agnostics tend to be people who grew up in a religious tradition and consciously gave it up, often after a great deal of reflection and study, said Alan Cooperman, associate director for research at the Pew Forum.
"These are people who thought a lot about religion," he said. "They're not indifferent. They care about it."
@@trhsrthtrhrthrthtrhs Ok, but there are exceptions. Some people entered a religion after studying it.
@@promethium-145 Oh absolutely! There are some people who are religious that didn't go to universities, colleges etc that are way smarter than the average atheist/agnostic regarding religion.
As I said though the studies show on average atheists/agnostics know more about religion that the religious.
This is maybe down to the religious finding what they want to know from their religion and that being enough to have the peace they seek. Alternatively being introduced to religion from a young age and taught not to question god. I met some Mormons trying to convert people recently and when they stopped me I only responded with a few answers and they swiftly became stumped. I was surprised by their lack of knowledge of something they are devoting their life too.
Atheists and agnostics maybe know more as they want to know more about what it is that they are rejecting. This is most likely because only a few decades ago non-believers were questioned for not being part of the majority. Ironically I feel it is the other way around now and in 2021 it's hard to find religious millennials.
There is also proof that atheism/agnosticism is on the rise, whilst Christianity is on the decline in the UK.
faithsurvey.co.uk/uk-christianity.html
Hitchens would have ripped his beating heart out.
And I would have cheered.
True - he would love to spill blood on the stage. That would really make him popular! LOL
The person who created the title of this video must be a theist. There was absolutely nothing cruel about this response.
it was a concise, articulate, and logical response, offered very politely.
"I can't afford to build my life on hallucinations"... yet, you are!
@A M ... I'm not concerned about the creation of the Universe. It's the rest of the Christian "story" I'm not basing my life on.
@A M what?
@A M Dr. Burton Mack, professor emeritus in early Christianity at the Claremont School of Theology: "The Gospels are fictional mythologies", Who Wrote the New Testament?
@A M You believe in fairy tales by proven liars. I think that’s cute 👍 "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Go ahead! Let’s see you post a video showing you drinking deadly poison without harm. What happens when fools believe liars?
@@reisekeller6859 it’s probably best not to engage with A M’s empty and dishonest BS. Some people are unwilling to engage in honest discourse as religion has made cowards of them.
I guess teachers and parents are cruel when they tell children how things are. Sorry jenny but you don't have a invisible friend, you are delusional. I don't see how that is cruel to tell the truth.
All to true. People attack science and fact in the name of religion and they are being true and faithful to their god(s).
A great man like Dawkins just says things how they are and suddenly he's shown as some kind of bigot, attacking "The Truth" of religion and being called cruel.
That's semantics.... You know full well nothing is certain including gravity but you're not gonna step in and correct somebody by saying ”correction, the theory of gravity is probably true."
So is it really a leap to claim something as true when there's never been a solitary shred of tangible evidence to the contrary?
Don't get me wrong, anyone who understands science will tell you that we dont really know anything about well.....anything. But at some point it becomes acceptable to just say you know.
***** miracles are pretty improbable and yet... they never, ever happen. go figure
Really??? How sad you have never seeen a miracle. I have been miraculosly healed many times of dirrefent ailments. Every day I live a miracle..
Nana Texido Well, maybe you should thank your doctors then?
Seriously, if you live a miracle every day, maybe you should visit those lucky Christians in Syria who are used as cannon fodder on the civil war frontlines?
Why don't they deserve a miracle, but a bullet in the head instead?
What you consider a miracle is simply a very improbable thing that has been made probable due to certain RANDOM circumstances.
Surely this man can understand that his personal experience of God is as convincing to us as a muslim's personal experience of Allah is to him.
Then surely that alone at least proves that one of them isn't telling the truth and is hallucinating!!! If your a Christian and a Muslim says he walks with Mohammed, do you believe him and vice versa? Im with Dawkins, I believe no matter who YOU believe to be with. I say your deluded.
So many religions predate the modern divisions of Christianity, it’s hard for me to take anyone boasting of “scripture” seriously.
My historic take on religion is that it’s meant to quell the masses and keep people in “a certain line” to easily control an individual.
If someone of said religion steps out of line herd-mentality takes over to vilify a person and make them feel terrible.
I look at history. You can learn tremendously from it.
No, he can't.
Apparently not, lol
@@sirriffsalot4158 these people aren't even hallucinating , that entails actual visual specters that aren't there for everyone to see
these people are just so indoctrinated ... they HAVE to make this ''person'' up in their own mind to even see him ;
that's far Far worse then anybody who Has an hallucination
How is it cruel? Because he didn't affirm his delusion? Integrity and Honesty requires honesty. And Dr. Dawkins responded that way in the most gracious manner.
Nothing cruel about that . Very polite I thought.
For Dawkins, he was very polite.
Murray Drew ... Jesus is Satan
If you know comedian Norm MacDonald, you might enjoy his talk about performance art, the artist urinates on Jesus's picture. @@cwdor
No doubt. Christopher Hitchens' replies are far more savage.
dor both are myths.
Prof. Dawkins reply was very logical and sincere; I don't see any cruelty in it.
I think the guy asking the question got lucky really, Dawkins was gentle with him there.
What Mr Dawkins said is just the truth, but it went in one ear and out the other with no attempt to listen , but in my experience that is always the way with Theists, I speak as a professor of Anthropology and Biology and having spoken to thousands of believer across the globe.
I would not claim Prof. Dawkins was speaking the truth but he is at least nearer the truth. The human mind is by far the most complex organ to be found anywhere in the known universe. The truth is that science is only just beginning to unravel the mystery of the human mind. From an evolutionary stand point homosapien Brain Cell DNA & Structure has probably remain unchanged for the last 300,000 years. I prefer the words meditation, prayer or salah to the word hallucinating which implies a person has taken medication. With meditation this sincere person believes he has communicated to a higher authority where infact he has unlocked an area of his subconciousness which feels intense love. The whole experience has changed him. His entire life & belief system changed forever. Science still has a long way to go before it can explain consciousness. The well being mindfulness industry can learn a lot from religion.
@@macswad Excellent points.
The guy was supercilious and condescending. Dawkins went relatively easy on him with his first answer but then the guy came back for more.
I would have said _"You're Scottish, therefore whisky was involved. Sit down, baldy."_
@@TonyEnglandUK It's all about the ego isn't it. Proving the other guy wrong. Alpha male.
@@poetry7260 "try Soe hard
@@DennisMHenderson James Joyce would be jealous. So clever.
@@poetry7260 ..er, no, its about supporting your point of view with a reasoned argument, that's what an intelligent person should do. If you have to resort to machismo then you have lost the argument. And let's not forget btw, that it was the 'other guy' who asked the question.
I feel the question was cruel. Asking a man of reason to accept your delusion. I can think of nothing worse. And then doing it twice. That's twice as cruel.
Your delusion is that Dawkins is a man of reason. He isn't. So this was a man of reason trying to deal with a deluded bigot. It doesn't work and it annoys the deluded bigot.
@@saintmartins6729 You seem to have some personal expertise regarding deluded bigots.
@@saintmartins6729 I hope you don't believe you really are a saint. That would be... delusional.
@@davidhoward4715 And you believe you are the arbiter? That's pure hallucination. LOL
@@mythbuster1483 I have had to handle a few, yes. You know who you are. Like the religious nut and the intellectual bombast. Thou shalt have no other god / thought process / viewpoint / opinion / reason but mine. Delusional bigoted idiots all of them.
“But my faith is different. I have a vast and emphatic word army to back up my convictions”.
A hallucination remains a hallucination no matter how many fascinating and earnest words of conviction support it.
Even more simply, the reply could have been, "Well, I shall like to meet this person you have walked with and speak to." That would clear up a lot of debate.
Yeah but he'd just get the whole "you need to open your heart to god kind of response, or something flaky like that".
If people could really talk to god, you could test it by asking them something like what number is written on this piece of paper.
Problem is they make up excuses for god such as he doesn't play those types of games so its hard to confirm the people that talk to god are correct.
The title is missleading, Honesty is not cruelty.
Not a word of cruelty, simply the best of humanity in both men. Bravo 👍
I dislike the title! Dawkins is not cruel and far from it!
David Jones ...Dawkins was put on the spot here and backed down because he can't actually prove God doesn't exist or that the bible isn't true, so much for your hero.
marc dewey lol he said the truth. There isnt a single evidense for it being true only a fiction and a myth nothing more. The bible is most likely buildt on people like this guy coming up
How does your prostate feel? I only ask to at least gather some evidence lol
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I was going to say it, but you saved me time!
You are correct about the title. Even if God and Jesus both still exist, in spite of the fact that Jesus "died" for this man's sins, his assertion of having seen either one of them is intrinsically improbable.
Ricky Gervais says he was a believer. Up until he was 8, and able to think it through. It took him 10 minutes.
At age 8 you think very simplistically and you're not able to fully understand the Bible
Bullshit title....
Excellent. He's not cruel, he's just objective & dispassionate
Where is cruelty?🤣🤣🤣
He clearly states his response with no aggression whatsoever
I have was attending a religious ceremony that a very sweet friend had invited me to. The preacher was a lovely guy from San Diego, he played guitar and there was a band. My son was about 10 and joined in on the drums. It was not an unpleasant experience. One member of the congregation, who was visibly suffering from some emotional distress, had been homeless until recently and was obviously in need of mental health care. He told everyone about his many conversations with God. The preacher, who is a wise man, took him aside and talked to him. There is a knife edge between those that want to believe that a Supreme being is looking out for us and if we are good children he will reward us, and those that are not right in the head. Our laws are based on this crap.