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I mean.... maybe. I love the idea. Nic Fit feels bad right now because the speed of the format is such that you sorta have to have the Veteran ramp to compete. It's an A + B combo. But you want 6-8 copies of A and B (think Show and Tell and Sneak Attack). But Nic Fit only has 4 A. There are lots of B. Cabal Therapy. Phyrexian Tower. Grist. Even something like Orcish Bowmasters (Bowmasters is insane in Nic Fit, more on this later). There are tons of good sac outlets, but there is no other A but Veteran Explorer. The worst is that your A + B combo doesn't win the game. It just ramps you (...and your opponent...). Does Green Flare change that? It is sort of a 0.5 A and 0.5 B. So... maybe. It is a strong sac outlet and a strong ramp card. But it does not work with Cabal Therapy. It does not work with Orcish Bowmasters. Part of what makes Bowmasters so strong in Nic Fit is that it lets you curve out to your 3+ drops when you can't Cabal, Veteran, Cabal. Plus, it is a bit of an 0.5 A and 0.5 B too, because it kills Veteran AND is a sac outlet for Cabal). I love Nic Fit. I think Green Flare will find a place. I don't think it solves the awkward A + B that Nic Fit has right now. It's still a deck that either has Veteran and Cabal or is incredibly slow
Lol you guys are such characters! Feeling compelled to say this at 23:24, not sure why. I came here as a Brian fan but quickly becoming very fond of all your alls energy and insights. What a treat to listen to lol
Regarding necrodominance, Phil is 100% correct, the "if" does not create a trigger. The reason why they likely did it this way rather than pay x draw x is that otherwise, although you take all actions in order, there is no point between when the value of X is defined and when it is checked.
The reason they did it was so that it couldn't get blown out by Bowmasters, the rules can absolutely support it being a separate trigger if they needed it to. But it's not, and that's good for the card.
@laurelkeeper I'm not referring to the difference between it and a second trigger. I'm talking about the templating of 'pay X life, if you do, draw X cards' vs 'pay x life then draw x cards'
Another awesome thing about Nadu is that it doesn't need the target to come from something you do, so like Leovold you'll still get a 2 for 1 if the opponent answers with spot removal.
I think it’s even a bit better than that. Most of the time, you’ll have some thing that can target Nadu already available, and even if it’s sorcery speed like equipping shuko, you’re gonna get one trigger off of that. So it ends up looking more like a 3 for 1 most of the time.
The Necro card gives me oldschool Yawgmoths Bargain, Skirge Familiar, Renounce Vibes. Maybe there is some useful insight from that walk down memory lane 😆
I know it's just a small thing, but I really miss the fun reverb that would be done on Phil's voice when he says "supporter exclusive preshow!" at the beginning of the pod. Any chance you guys could bring it back, even just once? Phil always says it so excitedly but it just doesn't hit as hard without the fun distortion.
Timeless has no fast mana other than dark ritual. Storm is basically not a deck there, combo barely exists outside of Omnitell. It's also a format where the most played nonland is Mana Drain at the moment, so you can guess why combo is in a pretty hostile environment.
@@lane9668 It's worth noting to people that don't know but Drain isn't really that good vs Combo unlike REB/Fluster/FOW etc. Shows how poor those type of Combo decks are in the format.
@@mountainwalk Drain is pretty good because it means the control decks have a ton of acceleration. Puts Lurrus on board and buries you in card advantage several turns earlier than if they didn't have drain.
Thank you for the hate on the raptor Aspiring spike LOVED this in preview season when it was spoiled put it in S teir and I think it's straight garbage
It's gonna be a staple in prowess and burn decks, plus there were plenty of decks that were more than happy to play along with the 2 mana max restriction when Lurrus was legal, so the decks that can take advantage of this already exist, people seem stuck on the fact that this isn't actually cascade and dismiss it as trash because it isn't, when that was never what people were excited about in the first place.
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The green flare is definitely playable in Nic Fit, start turn 2 with four lands in play and one in hand.
Yeah bring nic fit back!
I mean.... maybe. I love the idea.
Nic Fit feels bad right now because the speed of the format is such that you sorta have to have the Veteran ramp to compete. It's an A + B combo. But you want 6-8 copies of A and B (think Show and Tell and Sneak Attack).
But Nic Fit only has 4 A. There are lots of B. Cabal Therapy. Phyrexian Tower. Grist. Even something like Orcish Bowmasters (Bowmasters is insane in Nic Fit, more on this later). There are tons of good sac outlets, but there is no other A but Veteran Explorer.
The worst is that your A + B combo doesn't win the game. It just ramps you (...and your opponent...).
Does Green Flare change that? It is sort of a 0.5 A and 0.5 B. So... maybe. It is a strong sac outlet and a strong ramp card.
But it does not work with Cabal Therapy. It does not work with Orcish Bowmasters. Part of what makes Bowmasters so strong in Nic Fit is that it lets you curve out to your 3+ drops when you can't Cabal, Veteran, Cabal. Plus, it is a bit of an 0.5 A and 0.5 B too, because it kills Veteran AND is a sac outlet for Cabal).
I love Nic Fit. I think Green Flare will find a place. I don't think it solves the awkward A + B that Nic Fit has right now. It's still a deck that either has Veteran and Cabal or is incredibly slow
@@derekcline950 I can only agree. The green flare seems nice but then what? What is nic fit ramping into that is game winning? Dunno actually.
Lol you guys are such characters! Feeling compelled to say this at 23:24, not sure why. I came here as a Brian fan but quickly becoming very fond of all your alls energy and insights. What a treat to listen to lol
I know Harbinger of the Seas is much closer to Magus of the Moon than Blood Moon, but the nickname of Flood Moon is just too good.
Regarding necrodominance, Phil is 100% correct, the "if" does not create a trigger. The reason why they likely did it this way rather than pay x draw x is that otherwise, although you take all actions in order, there is no point between when the value of X is defined and when it is checked.
The reason they did it was so that it couldn't get blown out by Bowmasters, the rules can absolutely support it being a separate trigger if they needed it to. But it's not, and that's good for the card.
@laurelkeeper I'm not referring to the difference between it and a second trigger. I'm talking about the templating of 'pay X life, if you do, draw X cards' vs 'pay x life then draw x cards'
Necrodominance is templated like Fable, not Grist. If vs When.
The discussion on necrodominance is the content i am glad to be here for.. Thanks
I would love to hear your take on the new combat rules for the next episode. Have a great weekend!
Another awesome thing about Nadu is that it doesn't need the target to come from something you do, so like Leovold you'll still get a 2 for 1 if the opponent answers with spot removal.
I think it’s even a bit better than that. Most of the time, you’ll have some thing that can target Nadu already available, and even if it’s sorcery speed like equipping shuko, you’re gonna get one trigger off of that. So it ends up looking more like a 3 for 1 most of the time.
49:30 yes, for 9 of them, not the simic one tho, watch out
The Necro card gives me oldschool Yawgmoths Bargain, Skirge Familiar, Renounce Vibes. Maybe there is some useful insight from that walk down memory lane 😆
I know it's just a small thing, but I really miss the fun reverb that would be done on Phil's voice when he says "supporter exclusive preshow!" at the beginning of the pod. Any chance you guys could bring it back, even just once? Phil always says it so excitedly but it just doesn't hit as hard without the fun distortion.
Yes that was such a nice touch
The late nights/early mornings (think the post-midnight times) West Coast seem to be the main dead area for the queues
Agree about meltdown retro frame. If they had at least given it different art for the retro frame that would've been cool.
I don’t usually buy sealed product. But when I do, it’s a modern horizon set.
I knew that of all the broken ish in this set, Bryant would be losing his mind over vexing bauble lol
Necropotence is legal in timeless and is completely fine there. So I'm not sure if would be busted in legacy
Timeless has no fast mana other than dark ritual. Storm is basically not a deck there, combo barely exists outside of Omnitell. It's also a format where the most played nonland is Mana Drain at the moment, so you can guess why combo is in a pretty hostile environment.
@@lane9668 It's worth noting to people that don't know but Drain isn't really that good vs Combo unlike REB/Fluster/FOW etc. Shows how poor those type of Combo decks are in the format.
@@mountainwalk Drain is pretty good because it means the control decks have a ton of acceleration. Puts Lurrus on board and buries you in card advantage several turns earlier than if they didn't have drain.
Thank you for the hate on the raptor Aspiring spike LOVED this in preview season when it was spoiled put it in S teir and I think it's straight garbage
It's gonna be a staple in prowess and burn decks, plus there were plenty of decks that were more than happy to play along with the 2 mana max restriction when Lurrus was legal, so the decks that can take advantage of this already exist, people seem stuck on the fact that this isn't actually cascade and dismiss it as trash because it isn't, when that was never what people were excited about in the first place.
This aged in a funny manner.