The Most Hated Card from Every Year of Magic: the Gathering (MTG)
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- Today we head down the rabbit hole of miserable, broken and unfun cards by looking at the most hated card from every single year of Magic: the Gathering!
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1:28 1994
2:54 1995
3:59 1996
4:58 1997
6:32 1998
7:57 1999
9:17 2000
10:28 2001
11:17 2002
12:06 2003
14:10 2004
15:10 2005
16:19 2006
18:02 2007
19:06 2008
20:36 2009
21:50 2010
23:20 2011
25:06 2012
26:26 2013
28:30 2014
29:19 2015
30:29 2016
31:54 2017
33:32 2018
35:44 2019
37:58 2020
40:36 2021
42:23 2022
43:57 2023
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I made a mistake in 2006. Worldpurge isn't from Dissention, it's from Shadowmoor which was in 2008. Thankfully it was just an honorable mention, but still worth pointing out.
1995 could have been Jester's Cap. It yields the same effective result as Jokulhaups with all the brutal efficiency of Counterspell: it guts any deck by knowing the right to card to name. It is less fair and less fun and equalizing than Tormod's Crypt.
1996 it has to be Lion's Eye Diamond because there are no fair fun uses for the card but there are a lot of uses that could inspire someone to Jester's Cap the Diamond or Tormods Crypt your graveyard in a preemptive self defense.
OBM is annoying as hell but I honestly thought 2023's would be The One Ring.
It's okay, we all made mistakes in 2006.
You also said "it's basically just _seven_ mana restart the game..." when it does in fact cost 8 mana.
@@billdotmu Zidane and Trezeguet agree
2019 was so bad that Nissa, Who Ruins Standard and Veil of Summer didn't even make the list.
Nice 2nd account crim, but yeah it was rough
@@zaya431green was objectively busted in half that year, and 2020. Oko, Uro, Growth Spiral, Veil of Summer, Once Upon a Time, Nissa, and Hydroid Krasis were all supposed to be in Standard at the same time, if many of them hadn’t been banned.
Nissa, Who Breaks the Game*
Also don't forget Kenrith and Fires of Invention.
@@andyspendlove1019 honestly i'd love that standard format if the cards were moved around the color pie a little bit (of course changing cards to fit their new color; i mean power wise)
@@aqswd6825 idk, with shocks and checklands being available for most of those cards’ lifetimes, I don’t know if moving them around the color pie would’ve really changed anything. Plus I wouldn’t want to see those cards real those colors for other formats 😅 the problem is with the cards themselves, which are hilariously overpowered to the point where I sincerely believe it was a tactic to boost sales of paper Standard sets in a time where that format was starting to wane in popularity, with the rise of Commander and Arena
I absolutely love the “blank” of every year videos. Always ends up highlighting overlooked cards and giving a piece of niche history along the way!
Thanks! They seem to work well for the 30th anniversary yet. I expect we'll get a few more over the next few months.
Same. This gave me upgrades for edh
I think it is worth mentioning that Alchemy isnt hated because the cards dont exist in paper, it is hated because rather than being treated by WotC as a way to fix Standard by balancing, it is treated as a money grab that further breaks standard with OP Alchemy ridiculous cards.
i feel like alchemy could be fixed by only allowing alchemy cards in the alchemy format, and not in historic or other formats
Screw alchemy
@@283leisyes that too. I don't hate them it just feels weird.... There are definitely waaaaaay more archetypes in alchemy tho. I put together a burn list that's mostly uncommons and commons, allows me to play burn seriously which is cool.... I guess I've been kind of enjoying it lol
@@l0lan00b3 yeah dont get me wrong some of the arena-only cards are fun....but should only be with other arena-other cards
I'd say the main reason Alchemy is hated is because it pollutes Historic with perpetual and seek and conjure and all that nonsense.
Since I learned today about Stasis being done by Richard Garfield's aunt from this video which made me do some research:
She was an established artist, it wasn't just "oh my dear boy please put this into your game"
Also not sure why people would objectively hate the card because of the art...yeah it's weird but alot of MTG art back then was weird.
While I don't mind the iconic art, I think a game benefits from a more uniform look and feel. At some point, they got it right and just nailed it set after set. However, I believe they lost this streak quite a while ago. Currently everything is so uniform, it is almost bland.
@@pinobluevogel6458 While I still think MTG has the best art of any TCG ever, the switch to mostly digital art hurt the game IMO. Non digital art simply can't be totally recreated yet digitally.
This sounds weird, but digital art is almost too good.
@@mattm7798 Thanks for the response. I think you are on to something. With the advent of AI made art, this is only going to be more prevalent.
I don't want to sound like an old boomer and say everything was better in the old days, as it certainly wasn't. However, as much as I fell in love with the art being more standardized and recognizable as 'magic' art, I also slowly fell out of love with it a few years ago.
This might be the digital art issue you mention, or it could be the style they chose not being designed for players like me, or maybe their graphics department isn't as good as it used to be. I would say, it is probably a combination of all these factors.
@@pinobluevogel6458 I completely disagree. I think that the contrasting art styles gives the game more variety, I can understand that even you have your limits, but I think the game hit those limits a long time again. I'm a huge fan of the old art style with less of a focus on photorealism and a lot more abstract styles. I love the Stasis art, I think it's just great. But honestly, art is so insanely personal to evaluate that literally anyone can like any art for any reason.
I'm still utterly amazed by Ajani in 2008, no that it was hated, but by the fact that you went so in depth to identify the addition of the mechanic and the rarity in a video like this truly shows your passion for content creation
Thanks! I really love Magic history so I have a lot of fun digging into topics like this.
I'm a little sad that the planeswalker I find by far the best looking, in a color combination that I like to play (RW) is a stand-in for 2 of the things I dislike heavily about modern magic: Planeswalkers and Mythic rarity.
Teferi, or one of the many Jaces could have been a better example.
While the planeswalkers in the first set they showed up in were okay, it didn't take them long to come up with completely broken versions. They utterly dominate every lower powered format and it took Wizards years to design some reasonable removal for it.
I don't even want to start with the Mythic rarity issue, it reflects everything WotC corporate greed stands for and negatively affects the players by making necessary game pieces even more artificially scarce than they already were.
I think Elspeth would've been a better example. No one was really concerned about Ajani's rarity because it was the pre-release promo so there were a million copies floating around and you could get it for like $5.
I feel like at this point in Magic design history, having "MIND GOBLIN THESE NUTS!?" be the most annoying card of the year is a real achievement.
I would disagree with the 2023 choice...... The One Ring will be more hated and probably banned before Bowmasters will.
Agree. I don't think Bowmasters should get banned, but The One Ring probably needs to be emergency banned in every format it's legal in.
imagine paying 2 million dollars just to have to Rule 0 your One Ring
I lost one time vs the one ring on mtg arena, this card suxx ;)
if you watch/play Legacy then Bowmasters is definitely your most hated card of the year so far
I hate atraxa more than bow masters. Bow masters is just a strong card.
I would like to point out that Fay Jones the Stasis isn’t just some person, she’s a renowned artist with works on display in many places in the Pacific Northwest.
For 2006: I'm confused how worldpurge from shadowmoor is mentioned here as it is from 2 years later.
Wait, that cards not from Dissention?
@MTGGoldfish blame the hybrid mana cost, which originated in Ravnica ;)
The real problem with thoughtsieze/inquisition etc is getting to see your hand as well. Its a lot of value tacked onto a 1 drop
This comment is correct.
Exactly.
Also, 'Ego drain' from WOE. Even if not using or having faeries in play. If you're using plenty of cards with adventures on them, then even though you loose that side of most cards who have them, the other and usually more powerful side of the card can still be used.
Like with 'Virtue of Persistence'. Most of us uses the adventure side first, but I've wondered many times, if that is really a "mistake", because it gives a warning for your opponent, and they could potentially prepare themselves for what's to come, which makes the card more fair. But even though it can use more creatures from graveyards, 'Breach the Multiverse' is more scarry, because it happens on the spot, and by having both yours and opponents top 10 cards milled, this gives a higher chance of very powerful creatures to choose from to etb. Very difficult on the other end to prepare for this, if you don't know if your opponent has Breach or not.
So if one avoided playing the adventure side of Virtue, then if able to do so, in either the same turn or the next one as playing Ego Drain, that would give your opponent significantly less time to prepare for it. And you could use Ego drain to potentially make your opponent discard a very powerful creature that you could take and use for yourself a bit later.
And there're probably other adventure cards that could be utilized/misused this way as well. Maybe even more so for eternal formats from the previous Eldraine set.
Oh, and what if one played Breach before the turn, where you'd use Ego Drain and Virtue. Then suddenly there are more potential candidates to etb under your control in the future turns to come 🤔😆😅😬
Hoogaak from 2019 isnt on the list?
Guess it’s more hated for the response bans they chose rather than the card itself
Probably could have been a honorable mention.
2019 is def the worst year, I hope they never approach that level again.
I have an orc and ring for you to consider
Really? Combo winter nearly killed magic.
Probably in your memory…
Bro. Winter orb
I mean I stopped playing magic in 2019 for a reason. I haven't picked the game up again since. My only exposure to magic now is through Seth, just because I like Seth as an entertainer.
Gitaxian probe is also a solid argument for 2011, just for how many formats it was played into. It makes your deck 56 cards and gives you a bunch of free info if it's safe to storm off.
"2014 was a great year with very very few hated cards" Siege Rhino says hello
No one actually hated siege rhino though. It was literally honored as the best card in standard at the time and so many people made goodbye videos for it
When it rotated, I burnt my copy… that ass destroyed every little deck idea I had when I returned magic that year…
Siege Rhino wasn't a hated card.
The second Siege Rhino, on the other hand...
i think it was one of the most beloved 'best cards' in history of standard. it was just an efficient "fair" card that didnt hose any archetype (no not even aggro, multiple aggro decks existed despite siege rhino)
It's crazy just how many cards there are for 2019 and 2020. It feels like there were way more broken cards in those two years than any other.
For 1998 it was Tolarian Academy. There was all kinds of broken stuff going on, but with Academy you just knew what the rest of the game looked like. Until Academy was hit, games were just down to whos gets their academy first so you could "stroke myself until I go off and stroke you until I win." After it was banned, I got 8 of them for about $6, 4 of which became my first 4 cradles...
DUDE YOU HIT THE JACKPOT
Brb i have to get some popcorn with extra salt to watch this video
you should prolly get some low sodium popcorn, there's already enough salt in the video
The One ring is my most hated card for this year already
I play Rakdos and seeing people pause on Arena finding out in real time that it gets countered by Stomp has been a blast these past weeks.
nobody hated Divine Intervention; it was banned because forcing draws mucked with tournament matchmaking (which was still done by hand at the time).
It also wasn't even played before the ban which further shows how bizarre decisions behind bans were back in early mtg
Worldpugre came out in 2008 and in Shadowmoor not Dissension 2006.
Watching this video felt like a time capsule of emotions. This game has come a long way and so have we as players. Cheers to those who stuck around all this time!
As someone who played high lvl mtg tournaments in my high school years 96-01, my recollection of those years is quite different. From tempest-exodus, 'tradewind rider' comes to mind, along with the omnipresent 'hatred'. The later part is very interesting for someone who has just this year gotten back in the game. As an oldtimer do miss land destruction though... Cards like wasteland used to run as standard
Ha, I've also just started a year ago after a break of 25 years. Though I only played one tournament back in the day and only for 1,5 years during the Urza block (though it seemed much longer as a 14 year old). I found the decklist of the Goblin deck I played at that tournament and it listed 4 wastelands. Of course, I sold them for little beer money shortly after, as I did with most of my academy deck (which I built shortly after the ban just for the fun of it).
Agreed, a lot of these seem to be hated now but not necessarily then.
I feel Tergrid deserves a mention, especially in Commander
Ok, now make a commander deck with all of them in the deck.
winter orb was always paired with icy manipulator which was also in Alpha
Icy Manipulator - the original Urza.
Ruin Crab and any and all Ashinok cards are my most hated, Tasha's Hideous Laughter too. I'm annoyed with mill, I can at least recover if I have a graveyard deck, but exiling mill just ticks me off.
I distinctly remember playing Ernageddon when Ice Age hit. Seeing Jokulhaups ripped out of a pack of Ice Age, along with Orcish Lumberjack and Tinderwall made me enamored with it. Throw in a Zuran Orb and Stormbind, good times! Also, how can you not mention Plow Under from Urza's? God, that card was such a tempo screw... but not bad enough for most people to abandon all hope. It's like the chance of coming back from a couple resolved Plow Unders would keep you going, and just made it feel that much worse when you lost...
Is it wrong that I love all of these hated cards a lot? Then I don't wanna be right! 🥳
2004: Sensei's Divining Top
Everyone loved it at the time. Yes it was a bummer time wise but everyone loved playing with it.
12:20
I remember Storm, we accidentally nerfed Storm.
My play group completely misunderstood the mechanic, and reasoned that the copies still needed to be paid for, so it was only useful if you had lots of extra mana.
You invented replicate!
>Make WUBRG deck
>Include every card mentioned in this video
>Make lots of friends
Surprised Plow Under didn't get a mention in 1999. At least mass land-destruction is symmetrical. Plow Under not only is a double Stone Rain but also blanks essentially two draw steps as well. It is one of the most frustrating cards I ever had to play against, though that only happened when it was reprinted in 8th Edition.
I used to run a Plow Under speed green deck. It was so broken.
I used to play stupid green and run copies of both plow under and stunted growth. And good times were had by none.
During Khans, Siege Rhino was by far my most hated card... which in reality wasn't a bad thing at all
I was there in 2010/2011. The most hated card wasn’t anything you mentioned, though those were all rightly hated. The most hated card was Squadron Hawk. The least powerful card needed for the Caw-Blade decks that annihilated standard. Stupid bird that finds more birds. Not particularly broken, but very annoying with JtMS controlling card advantage, mental misstep and mana leak controlling board state, and a handful of swords and living weapons to give to your stupid, stupid little birds.
Story time:
I remember way back when, at a PTQ I was playing mindslaver lock.
I was super dead on board game 1. I don't quite remember the exact board state but I remember I was dead next turn. I draw, Mindslaver (no academy ruin on board).
I play Mindslaver, crack it, get to look at opponents hand and then I say this : "I want to see the sideboard" . My opponent immediately called a judge.
Back then Mindslaver ruling was that you controlled all of the oponents actions, including peeking at sideboard. Judge ruled in my favour and opponent actually CONCEDES game 1 to make sure I don't get to see any information.
I won the second game easily after that .
I always love watching these "blank every year" or the "niche moment" videos!
Hurts when you call "Protean" "Protein"
I'm pretty sure people hate the one ring more than orcish Bowmasters. At least that's what I have experienced. I am surprised you went with Bowmasters for 2023.
He said in another comment that he was working on this video a few weeks ago, so TOR hadn't blown up yet, and that if he did this video again, he'd pick TOR
winter orb, also known as the orb of friendship
2004's Possessed portal + Tegrid, God of Fright deserves an honorable mention. You don't lose the permanent/card, you GIVE IT TO THE OTHER PLAYER!!!
People really hated Divine Intervention? I've never seen anyone play it, it's a card designed for ante and nobody played with ante. It was banned because it could create problems in tournaments.
Wasn't played back in the day at all. I currently play it in an alt wincon tribal deck and the players that are losing are always grateful when I end the game in a tie.
While Time Stretch may be hated, it is hilarious when I get to triple or quadruple multi-cast it in our pod. My group just agreed to treat it as a win condition. If I can resolve it, they all concede in response and we move to the next game.
That's kinda what I used to do whenever someone pulled a splinter twin infinite out of nowhere, except instead of conceding we'd say "okay you auto-win, now the rest of us will play for second place," and give them a big sarcastic smile.
I feel like there was a bit too much commander focus with the exclusion of upheaval the choices for mirrodin block.
Edit: I'm confused. Didn't worldpurge come out over a year after "grand arbiter whomever the 4th".
Great list Seth. Super funny walk down memory lane.
"protein hulk"
One card which definitely deserves an honorable Mention is Future Sight's Steamflogger Boss. The card was rare that did nothing! It was four mana for 3/3 and a joke. When it came out, everyone I knew would be so defeated opening it in a draft pack.
Excellent deck tech Seth, building this for fnm now, just gotta proxy up the original duals and I'm ready to rollllllllllllllllllllllllll
I know nothing about Magic so most of this went over my head, but that “control your opponents turn” card sounds absolutely bonkers, I love it
I love Jokulhaps! Fun fact, it's a real phenomenon where ice melts due to volcanic activity but comes out from underneath a snowpack/icepack.
I can't believe bowmasters is the most hated card. It has to be the most loved one, everyone wants to play this card
and people's reaction when an opponent plays it is not as bad as when someone plays the one ring
Quite the opposite actually, The One Ring isnt really an issue since it wont win the game on its own and it doesnt prevent you from drawing cards it just helps the opponent a lot and if you know what you are doing and play around it you can get around its protection to everything.
Bowmasters is imo Sheoldred on crack because they both tax card draw except Bowmasters has 2 bodies you gotta deal with and its 2 mana compared to 4 while also having Flash becuase why not oh and did I forget to mention its also not legendary?
Also the only real good answear to a Bowmaster is your own Bowmaster which is not healthy for the game.
@@JulioDRaiany removal spell is a good answer for an orcish bowmaster. Another bowmaster isn't the greatest answer itself anyway since you have to rely on your opponent to draw cards, so you loose flexibility. And I'd argue that the massive amounts of card draw the ring provides wins games by itself in 60 card formats right now, especially since it's playable in any deck.
@@KeganKirby What removal you have that is 2 mana or less and removes both the bowmaster and the army? I'll be gald to hear all the good options we have that meet that requirement.
Also idk what 60 card format you are playing where decks dont naturally draw tons of cards especially since almost everyone is running the Ring in their decks so Bowmasters are naturally good and you dont need to build around them or anything they are just another really strong midrange card you throw into any deck that has access to black.
As a control player, I'd 100% rather face the ring than the bowmasters. Bowmasters are just Sheoldred on crack for 2, which is supremely retarded, while the ring is a 4 mana card that kills you if they counter your other rings.
@@KeganKirby
Removing the bowmaster with conventional removal would be a tempo swing for the bowmaster’s controller.. it’s a 2 for 1. Such is the problem with the FIRES design era where threats immediately generate value and snowball later on… best answer to a bowmaster is another bowmaster
Super fun video!!! I'd love to see more like this!
I will never forget the time I resolved a Jokulhaups against Tomer on stream :)
"Ok this should wrap up the game, I've got Mogis on the board and surely everyone will die before they rebuild..."
Tomer rebuilt like a champ while I struggled to find lands, but eventually I Rakdos Charmed him to death, using his rebuilt board against him. The one remaining Temur player killed me with an Omnath, but I had done what I came there to do.
Time revealer Teferi is just ridiculous. The static ability alone is worth 5 mana at least.
i mean we have grand abolisher at 2 mana with a much stronger ability...
That doesn't combo with Knowledge Pool.
Teferi cards have always been busted so
People need to accept that if you should be allowed to draw a bazillion cards, people should be allowed to punish you for doing so.
Same for my 5c mana bases
That's not the problem with those cards though. The problem is that wheels punish the snot out of everyone whether they wish it or not, and often, the decks that abuse these draw punishers are also drawing a bazillion cards.
Thinking about making a Child of Alara deck with every of the most hated card from each year.
I can feel my blood start to boil at the sight of Teferi, Time Reveler.
I love it when Seth randomly dumps on the Lord of the Rings movies, never fails to get a laugh from me.
I didn't believe that Orcish Bowmasters wasn't that good in preview season. Its a 1/1, who cares if it occasionally pings and makes an army bigger
That was, until I opened a couple copies and realized if your opponent doesn't have an answer it is a monster of a card.
I run it in a Shagrat historic brawl build and it is nutty
Fay Jones is not just Richard Garfield's aunt. She was an accomplished professional artist at that point. Her style is just not inline with MTG. But, I would 100% buy a Fey Jones Secret Lair.
If you are ever in Seattle she did the mural for the Westlake Transit Tunnel.
Love your history vids, thanks so much!
How did Oko not even get an honorable mention? Was it just so traumatising that Seth erased that busted planeswalker from his memory?
It did.. he was mentioned in the 2019 section… which seth mentioned the year also had lot of annoying cards and could probably have a section of its own..🤣
There was a brief mention in the long list of hated cards from 2019. Honestly, that year was so broken it was a bit overwhelming.
This would make a great video on its own. However, it might be nice to focus on some of the good things too, to balance it out. Almost every horrible period had its positive undercurrents. For example: even though Throne of Eldrain was completely busted and they had to ban several cards, the graphic design on the cards was surprisingly good. Making a set about fairytales and still making it cool is an achievement on its own.
@@pinobluevogel64582019 made me quit Magic. Power creep made me hate my life playing modern. I’m happy I retired since everything went downhill from there
@@MTGGoldfishthat year was the beginning of the end for MTG. Nothing was the same since then. I’m glad I quit
The early ones are all so unique and cool, I like that you used to be able to efficiently interact with mana bases. Sad they’re phasing that out in favor of overpowered threats and snowball resource accumulation with nothing to check it. Sometimes it’s nice to get into a top deck war.
They're really fun in vintage cube draft, but miserable in constructed. Once you reliably break the symmetry they become I-play-magic-and-you-don't cards.
So far 2023 might have to go to The One Ring. That card is truly obnoxious
I remember that Ajani! The deck, Tropical Hut, was really fun. I played it, though, before it was even an archetype. I feel pretty proud of that.
the "wanna loose some friends" add read really got me :DD
Heh heh. Loose.
Most of these are fair magic or unplayed in the years they were printed so that's wild.
Ye this doesn't feel like a historical list, but rather what cards everyone hates in 2023. Winter Orb was not the most hated card in Alpha. That probably goes to Mind Twist, Balance, Sink Hole, or Strip Mine. I don't know how you could even skip over Shahrazad. Shahrazad + Regrowth + Timetwister was an actual thing until Shahrazad was just banned.
@@nekrataali absolutely this does feel like the perspective of a commander/ modern magic player rather than a person who spent time playing in that time. Imho the abyss and nether void were the most hated until 96 .
So quick question regarding the taking your opponents turn example. Can I Crack a fetch land and purposely fail to find a target even if there is a legal target in the library? My initial thought is yes since it the library isn't a public zone and it would force you to divulge pertinent info but I'm in no way an expert so any input is welcomed. Again to be clear can I Crack a fetch land for example and look through/shuffle my deck if I feel I'm in a land pocket and just not get a land even if I have a valid target?
Interesting. I'm very new to MtG (only played Arena, will find a small friend group now to have more fun) and Ragavan has already become my most hated card. Nexus of Fate is a close second.
Not sure how Fable of the Mirror-Breaker wasn't most-hated of 2022. We all know it's true.
Facts
Nah, fable is forgivable. Plenty of really good players underrated it when it was spoiled, it wasn’t an immediately obvious mistake like Lurrus. An Unfinity card needed to be the 2022 winner
Fable is mid card outside of standard
@@adammorin2955
Mid card? Nope… it’s being used everywhere.
The bowmasters arent a problem atm. They've been very whatever when I've met them accross the arena. Someone might find a way to make them stronger for competative play, maybe along the lines of sword of the meek and a cheap deathtouch buff.
One Ring is likely the fastest to get banned as it's necropotence with upside. I dont particularly hate the card though.
Nazgul need a slight nerf, something along the lines of "If your starting deck contains at least 100 cards, you may include 9 copies of this".
My most hated in lotr right now would be rosie cotton, because sitting through the opponent's combo triggers is really tedious, especially when they dont realise they are dead on board no matter how much they spam out.
I think Nazgul are too strong unlike Bowmasters; you need up to 9 removal that do at least 3 damage, deathtouch, counterspell, enchant lockdown (also can suck if it doesn't disable pump), or return (which sucks against Nazgul); or you need multiple board wipes. Nazgul players also seem to understand this and usually only play 2-3 at a time and just Tempt over and over to pump while blasting your board.
With 4 x Bowmasters you only need 8 removal max if you include the amass creatures, and returns completely kill them, enchant lockdown also completely destroys amass strat by placing on army, bowmasters die to 1 damage instead of 3, etc. Much easier to deal with.
If I hadn't seen so many One Ring breaking strats I'd say Nazgul is my most hated.
Most of Nazgul's problems go away when you get rid of their consistency in a 60 card format.
T1 Delighted Halfling
T2 Nazgul
T3 Nazgul +cmc1 interaction
T4 Nazgul +cmc2 interaction
The nut draw can be an opening play for any golgari deck. "Fair Agro" likes the t4 kill on the play before 4cmc sweeper. Midrange likes the 3 should answer threats that accrue residual value. Control likes the board tarpit that distracts and delays while they assemble an unstoppable wincon.
If you take them down to 4/60, then they are less ubiquitous, so you as the opponent can react in a more informed way. (The Nazgul player is either midrange or playing jank in 4/60)
Dredge is my favorite deck and you explained it perfectly lol
Plus I love siding in Iona when against a mono deck
YES, i love these history vids. TY Seth!
2023 not being The One Ring is kinda miss.
It really bums me out that land destruction is such a hated archetype these days. I grew up with it and will always love it. Shoot i run Jokulhaups in my rakdos group slug deck, but i only really use it if I'm locking up the game (it notably doesn't kill enchantments 😂)
I play casually with a group that has cards from many eras, I’ve seen winter orb many times and I’ve felt its sting
absolutely brutal control
21:50 it should have been Emrakul. Shes hated so much that she got banned plus you get to take another turn if you cast her, which youve already said people hate
The video was very cool, touring the "saltiest commander cards" by EDHrec despite half the actual monsters of each year ignored or left as honorable mentions.
I really like the idea for this series but really hope they would be more localized to time period, as this + the reanimation creature video could be answered by me googling eternal format banlists and most hated cards of commander.
I was expecting 2008 to be Cruel Ultimatum. It pretty much singlehandedly warped Block Constructed and is just such an incredible swing of the game state that it's a major feels-bad whenever it resolves on you.
One problem: no-one plays block constructed.
I've heard of ever card on this list, somehow, and yet not Possessed Portal.
I had a deck that revolved around Possessed Portal! I paired it with Tomorrow, Azumi's Familiar which let's you look at and place cards from your deck into your hand, getting around the word 'draw'.
Colossal Dreadmaw
How DARE you
What an amazing video! I want to make a deck with all these cards in it! 😀
26:00 I once played a commander game that was about a 5 with a couple who started playing last week. The other guy insisted on playing his cedh orvar deck, and looped cyclonic rift every turn for AN HOUR (not an exaggeration) and the whole time bragging about how he has a $10000 deck, calling me, a fourteen year old poor and complaining about how I played too many budget cards that he had never seen before, peeked at everybody’s hand multiple times and then called me something that I won’t repeat when I left. I was ranting about this to a friend and that said oh yeah, I know that guy, he sucks.
I wish you'd do a version of this focused on 60 card formats, or just competitive formats.
I can't agree with all the hate against lockdown stuff and land destruction, because Counterspells have always been way more common and way way more annoying. In that category, Force of Will is my most hated card. and in another category, every single 1 black mana "Reveal your hand and the black player chooses and forces a discard" card are super annoying for making me feel like conceding on turn 1. Hate having an opponent already know my plan and dismantling it before I've even played a land.
Worldpurge (and Apocalypse) can be broken by reanimating Worldgorger Dragon and casting Worldpurge (or Apocalypse) with floating mana. Its pretty jank but it works
totally agree with thoughtseize. discarding a card i couldn't care less about but the fact that it gives perfect information from turn 1 is just so obnoxious. its also the kind of card thats basically auto-include in any 60 card black deck if its legal which adds a lot to the hate. basically need to run thoughtseize so your opponent takes your thoughtseize instead of your good cards. its almost on the same level as mental misstep in my oppinion
Fun fact, if you control two replacement effects, you get to choose. Tomorrow, Azamis familiar gets around possessed portal. Also doable with Panoptic mirror and a tutor, but if you have that you might as well put something really degenerate on it, like additional turns.
I'm going to sneak a Sunder into my deck for my next commander session with my pals. Sounds like a really good gag
Very surprised to see Bowmasters over The One Ring and Paradox Engine over Aetherworks Marvel.
I started EDH in 2012 and took a break for a few years, just coming back in now and it’s overwhelming to try and look through all the new cards….
I was unable to convince my casual group to ban rhistic study... and they also didn't pay it very often, basically pouring 10+ cards into a single players hand for 2 mana
Why did I never notice until just now that Lurrus has a cub? It's so cute, too.
thanks for the inspiration for my new edh deck 🙈
Surprised that Sharazad isn't on that list. Playing subgame after subgame is so much fun for everybody. And when I saw that one played out in a game of Emperor (which already has space management difficulties for seating 6 players in a certain way), and some clownish player decided to fork that. well.
This is crazy, I’ve played 98% of the cards talked about in this video (and some of the honorable mentions), I love giving my opponents challenges. Also Worldpurge is in 40% of my EDH decks back then, using Jhoira of the Ghithu made it fun for me.
4:50 - Correction: With Gemstone mine, Flash could be played on "turn 0". Start the game with it in play and on your opponents' upkeep, before their main phase to even play a land and functionally play the game, you could exile either spirit guide and combo with Flash Hulk. Summoner's Pact was a 4 of to make the deck even more consistent and busted.
I used to have a Vintage Flash Hulk in 2008
4:40 - Correction needed. Flash was SO POWERFUL that it was given power errata, which killed it, and it was the removal of the power errata - not Protean Hulk - which caused it to be powerful again.
I played in that time. I know first hand. Steve Menedian wrote an article about how Flash was used with Academy Rector.
People thought that Hulk combo might be too clunky and unreliable. They were wrong, but people were already buying copies for Rector Flash after the WotC began to remove power errata from Flash and other cards.
I really think with time the one ring might become the most hated for 2023 (unless something get printed in wilds of eldraine)
the protection from everything for a turn effect is brutal for aggro decks
and the downside of losing a life for each burden counter doesn't work half the time since you just draw into another copy of the one ring and replace it with a fresh one
And is completed negated if you can stick. Sheoldred alongside the ring.
It's too early to say for this year, he really should have left it off. Especially when he chose a card that's only been out a few weeks.
Humility and mentioning Reclamation Sage triggered a memory in me.
We were playing 4 player casual commander and one of the players let me borrow their Golgari deck. The other, BW player, played the Overwhelming Splendor, which is essentially the same card, but just for your opponents, and pretty much all the creatures in my deck had ETB AND death triggers. So, I'm like all sad and stuff, but as soon as my turn comes, I rip the sage off the top and immediately slam it only to realize... Oh yeah, it's just a 1/1 now. I've never had such a quick rollercoaster of emotions.