The Most Hated Card from Every Year of Magic: the Gathering (MTG)

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  • Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024

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  • @MTGGoldfish
    @MTGGoldfish  Год назад +329

    I made a mistake in 2006. Worldpurge isn't from Dissention, it's from Shadowmoor which was in 2008. Thankfully it was just an honorable mention, but still worth pointing out.

    • @darthparallax5207
      @darthparallax5207 Год назад +4

      1995 could have been Jester's Cap. It yields the same effective result as Jokulhaups with all the brutal efficiency of Counterspell: it guts any deck by knowing the right to card to name. It is less fair and less fun and equalizing than Tormod's Crypt.
      1996 it has to be Lion's Eye Diamond because there are no fair fun uses for the card but there are a lot of uses that could inspire someone to Jester's Cap the Diamond or Tormods Crypt your graveyard in a preemptive self defense.

    • @DiabolicScars
      @DiabolicScars Год назад +3

      OBM is annoying as hell but I honestly thought 2023's would be The One Ring.

    • @billdotmu
      @billdotmu Год назад +2

      It's okay, we all made mistakes in 2006.

    • @bondeulv
      @bondeulv Год назад +3

      You also said "it's basically just _seven_ mana restart the game..." when it does in fact cost 8 mana.

    • @matteopriotto5131
      @matteopriotto5131 Год назад +1

      ​@@billdotmu Zidane and Trezeguet agree

  • @AfromanJon
    @AfromanJon Год назад +85

    >Make WUBRG deck
    >Include every card mentioned in this video
    >Make lots of friends

  • @HeyApples
    @HeyApples Год назад +869

    2019 was so bad that Nissa, Who Ruins Standard and Veil of Summer didn't even make the list.

    • @zaya431
      @zaya431 Год назад +86

      Nice 2nd account crim, but yeah it was rough

    • @andyspendlove1019
      @andyspendlove1019 Год назад +66

      @@zaya431green was objectively busted in half that year, and 2020. Oko, Uro, Growth Spiral, Veil of Summer, Once Upon a Time, Nissa, and Hydroid Krasis were all supposed to be in Standard at the same time, if many of them hadn’t been banned.

    • @Atmapalazzo
      @Atmapalazzo Год назад +35

      Nissa, Who Breaks the Game*
      Also don't forget Kenrith and Fires of Invention.

    • @aqswd6825
      @aqswd6825 Год назад +7

      @@andyspendlove1019 honestly i'd love that standard format if the cards were moved around the color pie a little bit (of course changing cards to fit their new color; i mean power wise)

    • @andyspendlove1019
      @andyspendlove1019 Год назад +6

      @@aqswd6825 idk, with shocks and checklands being available for most of those cards’ lifetimes, I don’t know if moving them around the color pie would’ve really changed anything. Plus I wouldn’t want to see those cards real those colors for other formats 😅 the problem is with the cards themselves, which are hilariously overpowered to the point where I sincerely believe it was a tactic to boost sales of paper Standard sets in a time where that format was starting to wane in popularity, with the rise of Commander and Arena

  • @nuclearnarwhal6539
    @nuclearnarwhal6539 Год назад +318

    I absolutely love the “blank” of every year videos. Always ends up highlighting overlooked cards and giving a piece of niche history along the way!

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Год назад +36

      Thanks! They seem to work well for the 30th anniversary yet. I expect we'll get a few more over the next few months.

    • @kronos548
      @kronos548 Год назад

      Same. This gave me upgrades for edh

  • @saienmoodley2104
    @saienmoodley2104 Год назад +85

    I'm still utterly amazed by Ajani in 2008, no that it was hated, but by the fact that you went so in depth to identify the addition of the mechanic and the rarity in a video like this truly shows your passion for content creation

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Год назад +27

      Thanks! I really love Magic history so I have a lot of fun digging into topics like this.

    • @pinobluevogel6458
      @pinobluevogel6458 Год назад +6

      I'm a little sad that the planeswalker I find by far the best looking, in a color combination that I like to play (RW) is a stand-in for 2 of the things I dislike heavily about modern magic: Planeswalkers and Mythic rarity.
      Teferi, or one of the many Jaces could have been a better example.
      While the planeswalkers in the first set they showed up in were okay, it didn't take them long to come up with completely broken versions. They utterly dominate every lower powered format and it took Wizards years to design some reasonable removal for it.
      I don't even want to start with the Mythic rarity issue, it reflects everything WotC corporate greed stands for and negatively affects the players by making necessary game pieces even more artificially scarce than they already were.

    • @teferi456
      @teferi456 Год назад +4

      I think Elspeth would've been a better example. No one was really concerned about Ajani's rarity because it was the pre-release promo so there were a million copies floating around and you could get it for like $5.

  • @cwkaska737
    @cwkaska737 Год назад +461

    I would disagree with the 2023 choice...... The One Ring will be more hated and probably banned before Bowmasters will.

    • @bentulach2391
      @bentulach2391 Год назад +73

      Agree. I don't think Bowmasters should get banned, but The One Ring probably needs to be emergency banned in every format it's legal in.

    • @Otacon2099
      @Otacon2099 Год назад +72

      imagine paying 2 million dollars just to have to Rule 0 your One Ring

    • @heecks9375
      @heecks9375 Год назад +8

      I lost one time vs the one ring on mtg arena, this card suxx ;)

    • @gisopolis77
      @gisopolis77 Год назад +24

      if you watch/play Legacy then Bowmasters is definitely your most hated card of the year so far

    • @dougnapier6441
      @dougnapier6441 Год назад +25

      I hate atraxa more than bow masters. Bow masters is just a strong card.

  • @CSDragon
    @CSDragon Год назад +157

    Since I learned today about Stasis being done by Richard Garfield's aunt from this video which made me do some research:
    She was an established artist, it wasn't just "oh my dear boy please put this into your game"

    • @mattm7798
      @mattm7798 Год назад +38

      Also not sure why people would objectively hate the card because of the art...yeah it's weird but alot of MTG art back then was weird.

    • @pinobluevogel6458
      @pinobluevogel6458 Год назад +22

      While I don't mind the iconic art, I think a game benefits from a more uniform look and feel. At some point, they got it right and just nailed it set after set. However, I believe they lost this streak quite a while ago. Currently everything is so uniform, it is almost bland.

    • @mattm7798
      @mattm7798 Год назад +20

      @@pinobluevogel6458 While I still think MTG has the best art of any TCG ever, the switch to mostly digital art hurt the game IMO. Non digital art simply can't be totally recreated yet digitally.
      This sounds weird, but digital art is almost too good.

    • @pinobluevogel6458
      @pinobluevogel6458 Год назад +13

      @@mattm7798 Thanks for the response. I think you are on to something. With the advent of AI made art, this is only going to be more prevalent.
      I don't want to sound like an old boomer and say everything was better in the old days, as it certainly wasn't. However, as much as I fell in love with the art being more standardized and recognizable as 'magic' art, I also slowly fell out of love with it a few years ago.
      This might be the digital art issue you mention, or it could be the style they chose not being designed for players like me, or maybe their graphics department isn't as good as it used to be. I would say, it is probably a combination of all these factors.

    • @TheGloriousLobsterEmperor
      @TheGloriousLobsterEmperor Год назад +17

      @@pinobluevogel6458 I completely disagree. I think that the contrasting art styles gives the game more variety, I can understand that even you have your limits, but I think the game hit those limits a long time again. I'm a huge fan of the old art style with less of a focus on photorealism and a lot more abstract styles. I love the Stasis art, I think it's just great. But honestly, art is so insanely personal to evaluate that literally anyone can like any art for any reason.

  • @oliverb4020
    @oliverb4020 Год назад +124

    I think it is worth mentioning that Alchemy isnt hated because the cards dont exist in paper, it is hated because rather than being treated by WotC as a way to fix Standard by balancing, it is treated as a money grab that further breaks standard with OP Alchemy ridiculous cards.

    • @283leis
      @283leis Год назад +30

      i feel like alchemy could be fixed by only allowing alchemy cards in the alchemy format, and not in historic or other formats

    • @ROYBGP
      @ROYBGP Год назад +6

      Screw alchemy

    • @l0lan00b3
      @l0lan00b3 Год назад +6

      ​@@283leisyes that too. I don't hate them it just feels weird.... There are definitely waaaaaay more archetypes in alchemy tho. I put together a burn list that's mostly uncommons and commons, allows me to play burn seriously which is cool.... I guess I've been kind of enjoying it lol

    • @283leis
      @283leis Год назад +5

      @@l0lan00b3 yeah dont get me wrong some of the arena-only cards are fun....but should only be with other arena-other cards

    • @bigbuffguy9589
      @bigbuffguy9589 11 месяцев назад +9

      I'd say the main reason Alchemy is hated is because it pollutes Historic with perpetual and seek and conjure and all that nonsense.

  • @laffyman8218
    @laffyman8218 Год назад +35

    I would like to point out that Fay Jones the Stasis isn’t just some person, she’s a renowned artist with works on display in many places in the Pacific Northwest.

  • @drpibisback7680
    @drpibisback7680 Год назад +88

    I feel like at this point in Magic design history, having "MIND GOBLIN THESE NUTS!?" be the most annoying card of the year is a real achievement.

  • @ashzciwobuz1277
    @ashzciwobuz1277 Год назад +15

    Gitaxian probe is also a solid argument for 2011, just for how many formats it was played into. It makes your deck 56 cards and gives you a bunch of free info if it's safe to storm off.

  • @JalebJay
    @JalebJay Год назад +33

    For 2006: I'm confused how worldpurge from shadowmoor is mentioned here as it is from 2 years later.

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Год назад +5

      Wait, that cards not from Dissention?

    • @JalebJay
      @JalebJay Год назад +2

      @MTGGoldfish blame the hybrid mana cost, which originated in Ravnica ;)

  • @ultrasuperkiller
    @ultrasuperkiller Год назад +28

    Hoogaak from 2019 isnt on the list?
    Guess it’s more hated for the response bans they chose rather than the card itself

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Год назад +6

      Probably could have been a honorable mention.

  • @cant-use-my-other-name
    @cant-use-my-other-name Год назад +7

    For 1998 it was Tolarian Academy. There was all kinds of broken stuff going on, but with Academy you just knew what the rest of the game looked like. Until Academy was hit, games were just down to whos gets their academy first so you could "stroke myself until I go off and stroke you until I win." After it was banned, I got 8 of them for about $6, 4 of which became my first 4 cradles...

  • @aj1218
    @aj1218 Год назад +17

    Brb i have to get some popcorn with extra salt to watch this video

    • @ckxspartangaming5887
      @ckxspartangaming5887 Год назад +3

      you should prolly get some low sodium popcorn, there's already enough salt in the video

  • @kieranheaton4951
    @kieranheaton4951 Год назад +8

    Watching this video felt like a time capsule of emotions. This game has come a long way and so have we as players. Cheers to those who stuck around all this time!

  • @connormohs6046
    @connormohs6046 Год назад +198

    2019 is def the worst year, I hope they never approach that level again.

    • @amtracktrack4963
      @amtracktrack4963 Год назад +21

      I have an orc and ring for you to consider

    • @BobardeZanzibar
      @BobardeZanzibar Год назад +27

      Really? Combo winter nearly killed magic.

    • @kylejohnson4662
      @kylejohnson4662 Год назад +9

      Probably in your memory…

    • @DimT670
      @DimT670 Год назад +1

      Bro. Winter orb

    • @UltimaChronos
      @UltimaChronos Год назад +9

      I mean I stopped playing magic in 2019 for a reason. I haven't picked the game up again since. My only exposure to magic now is through Seth, just because I like Seth as an entertainer.

  • @benpearson49
    @benpearson49 Год назад +9

    12:20
    I remember Storm, we accidentally nerfed Storm.
    My play group completely misunderstood the mechanic, and reasoned that the copies still needed to be paid for, so it was only useful if you had lots of extra mana.

  • @dutchdelight5556
    @dutchdelight5556 Год назад +10

    As someone who played high lvl mtg tournaments in my high school years 96-01, my recollection of those years is quite different. From tempest-exodus, 'tradewind rider' comes to mind, along with the omnipresent 'hatred'. The later part is very interesting for someone who has just this year gotten back in the game. As an oldtimer do miss land destruction though... Cards like wasteland used to run as standard

    • @yannikkissa9419
      @yannikkissa9419 Год назад

      Ha, I've also just started a year ago after a break of 25 years. Though I only played one tournament back in the day and only for 1,5 years during the Urza block (though it seemed much longer as a 14 year old). I found the decklist of the Goblin deck I played at that tournament and it listed 4 wastelands. Of course, I sold them for little beer money shortly after, as I did with most of my academy deck (which I built shortly after the ban just for the fun of it).

    • @soupbeans8379
      @soupbeans8379 6 месяцев назад

      Agreed, a lot of these seem to be hated now but not necessarily then.

  • @whaleofdarkness
    @whaleofdarkness Год назад +7

    Ok, now make a commander deck with all of them in the deck.

  • @theafth1
    @theafth1 Год назад +59

    The One ring is my most hated card for this year already

    • @VinniePaul91
      @VinniePaul91 Год назад +4

      I play Rakdos and seeing people pause on Arena finding out in real time that it gets countered by Stomp has been a blast these past weeks.

    • @alexc650
      @alexc650 4 месяца назад

      Not since I started auto-including exile permanent removal in every deck =) and also only when they play it with Sheoldred

  • @David31679
    @David31679 Год назад +14

    Worldpugre came out in 2008 and in Shadowmoor not Dissension 2006.

  • @pennyw1s3
    @pennyw1s3 Год назад +9

    I distinctly remember playing Ernageddon when Ice Age hit. Seeing Jokulhaups ripped out of a pack of Ice Age, along with Orcish Lumberjack and Tinderwall made me enamored with it. Throw in a Zuran Orb and Stormbind, good times! Also, how can you not mention Plow Under from Urza's? God, that card was such a tempo screw... but not bad enough for most people to abandon all hope. It's like the chance of coming back from a couple resolved Plow Unders would keep you going, and just made it feel that much worse when you lost...
    Is it wrong that I love all of these hated cards a lot? Then I don't wanna be right! 🥳

  • @jamiekuryla3940
    @jamiekuryla3940 Год назад +17

    winter orb was always paired with icy manipulator which was also in Alpha

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Год назад +1

      Icy Manipulator - the original Urza.

  • @AceClown
    @AceClown Год назад +35

    "2014 was a great year with very very few hated cards" Siege Rhino says hello

    • @adammorin2955
      @adammorin2955 Год назад +15

      No one actually hated siege rhino though. It was literally honored as the best card in standard at the time and so many people made goodbye videos for it

    • @Neuropsi1min
      @Neuropsi1min Год назад +5

      When it rotated, I burnt my copy… that ass destroyed every little deck idea I had when I returned magic that year…

    • @jsweatisdead
      @jsweatisdead Год назад +12

      Siege Rhino wasn't a hated card.
      The second Siege Rhino, on the other hand...

    • @mr.joesterr5359
      @mr.joesterr5359 8 месяцев назад +1

      i think it was one of the most beloved 'best cards' in history of standard. it was just an efficient "fair" card that didnt hose any archetype (no not even aggro, multiple aggro decks existed despite siege rhino)

    • @sabero5668
      @sabero5668 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@jsweatisdead The second Rhino rarely arrives lubed

  • @SuenteusPi
    @SuenteusPi Год назад +10

    nobody hated Divine Intervention; it was banned because forcing draws mucked with tournament matchmaking (which was still done by hand at the time).

    • @kingfuzzy2
      @kingfuzzy2 Год назад +4

      It also wasn't even played before the ban which further shows how bizarre decisions behind bans were back in early mtg

  • @chaosof99
    @chaosof99 Год назад +10

    Surprised Plow Under didn't get a mention in 1999. At least mass land-destruction is symmetrical. Plow Under not only is a double Stone Rain but also blanks essentially two draw steps as well. It is one of the most frustrating cards I ever had to play against, though that only happened when it was reprinted in 8th Edition.

    • @jessemasters1446
      @jessemasters1446 Год назад

      I used to run a Plow Under speed green deck. It was so broken.

    • @theorcishlibrary4126
      @theorcishlibrary4126 10 месяцев назад +2

      I used to play stupid green and run copies of both plow under and stunted growth. And good times were had by none.

  • @russell4653
    @russell4653 Год назад +13

    I feel Tergrid deserves a mention, especially in Commander

  • @alianrobles7635
    @alianrobles7635 Год назад +4

    Story time:
    I remember way back when, at a PTQ I was playing mindslaver lock.
    I was super dead on board game 1. I don't quite remember the exact board state but I remember I was dead next turn. I draw, Mindslaver (no academy ruin on board).
    I play Mindslaver, crack it, get to look at opponents hand and then I say this : "I want to see the sideboard" . My opponent immediately called a judge.
    Back then Mindslaver ruling was that you controlled all of the oponents actions, including peeking at sideboard. Judge ruled in my favour and opponent actually CONCEDES game 1 to make sure I don't get to see any information.
    I won the second game easily after that .

    • @Xynic.7391
      @Xynic.7391 3 месяца назад

      Does it still allow you to see sideboard? I never even thought of that

  • @burnsida
    @burnsida Год назад +8

    2004: Sensei's Divining Top

    • @channeling764
      @channeling764 9 месяцев назад +1

      Everyone loved it at the time. Yes it was a bummer time wise but everyone loved playing with it.

    • @ggpt9641
      @ggpt9641 4 месяца назад

      Legend has it the first Top being spun is still resolving.

  • @derekdoggett3292
    @derekdoggett3292 Год назад +14

    I'm pretty sure people hate the one ring more than orcish Bowmasters. At least that's what I have experienced. I am surprised you went with Bowmasters for 2023.

    • @sorin_markov
      @sorin_markov Год назад +2

      He said in another comment that he was working on this video a few weeks ago, so TOR hadn't blown up yet, and that if he did this video again, he'd pick TOR

  • @Mrcoddy
    @Mrcoddy Год назад +6

    During Khans, Siege Rhino was by far my most hated card... which in reality wasn't a bad thing at all

  • @Plexiux
    @Plexiux Год назад +6

    While Time Stretch may be hated, it is hilarious when I get to triple or quadruple multi-cast it in our pod. My group just agreed to treat it as a win condition. If I can resolve it, they all concede in response and we move to the next game.

    • @LampreyKisses
      @LampreyKisses Год назад +2

      That's kinda what I used to do whenever someone pulled a splinter twin infinite out of nowhere, except instead of conceding we'd say "okay you auto-win, now the rest of us will play for second place," and give them a big sarcastic smile.

  • @Practicalpandaful
    @Practicalpandaful Год назад +6

    One card which definitely deserves an honorable Mention is Future Sight's Steamflogger Boss. The card was rare that did nothing! It was four mana for 3/3 and a joke. When it came out, everyone I knew would be so defeated opening it in a draft pack.

  • @danieleichorn3085
    @danieleichorn3085 Год назад +13

    It's crazy just how many cards there are for 2019 and 2020. It feels like there were way more broken cards in those two years than any other.

  • @JoshRudis
    @JoshRudis Год назад +7

    I love Jokulhaps! Fun fact, it's a real phenomenon where ice melts due to volcanic activity but comes out from underneath a snowpack/icepack.

  • @GuyLanham
    @GuyLanham 4 месяца назад +2

    Can we have a video for 'most hated decks'? This would be hilariously fun to watch

  • @SweetZombiJesus
    @SweetZombiJesus 3 месяца назад +3

    Take a drink whenever narrator over-emphasize a syllable, and you will die.
    "... making it one of the MOST aNNOYing card in the coMMANder format..."

  • @ADVBCAT
    @ADVBCAT Год назад +2

    I will never forget the time I resolved a Jokulhaups against Tomer on stream :)
    "Ok this should wrap up the game, I've got Mogis on the board and surely everyone will die before they rebuild..."
    Tomer rebuilt like a champ while I struggled to find lands, but eventually I Rakdos Charmed him to death, using his rebuilt board against him. The one remaining Temur player killed me with an Omnath, but I had done what I came there to do.

  • @awookieandagerman
    @awookieandagerman Год назад +8

    I was there in 2010/2011. The most hated card wasn’t anything you mentioned, though those were all rightly hated. The most hated card was Squadron Hawk. The least powerful card needed for the Caw-Blade decks that annihilated standard. Stupid bird that finds more birds. Not particularly broken, but very annoying with JtMS controlling card advantage, mental misstep and mana leak controlling board state, and a handful of swords and living weapons to give to your stupid, stupid little birds.

  • @TheHive616
    @TheHive616 5 месяцев назад +2

    I love how people who play competitive Magic like to talk down on these cards that are competitive staples.
    Like... SOMEONE is obviously playing them a lot, and it's not like everyone is going into a tournament to avoid annoying their opponent.
    You hate when your opponent has them, but I guarantee no one out there is gonna intentionally avoid using Thoughtseize in competitive play because it's "too disruptive"

  • @mtgbrewery7239
    @mtgbrewery7239 Год назад +4

    Excellent deck tech Seth, building this for fnm now, just gotta proxy up the original duals and I'm ready to rollllllllllllllllllllllllll

  • @terrarianpro2140
    @terrarianpro2140 Год назад +4

    2004's Possessed portal + Tegrid, God of Fright deserves an honorable mention. You don't lose the permanent/card, you GIVE IT TO THE OTHER PLAYER!!!

  • @bluedog4248
    @bluedog4248 Год назад +4

    I always love watching these "blank every year" or the "niche moment" videos!

  • @jakedanielsen4512
    @jakedanielsen4512 6 месяцев назад +11

    Hurts when you call "Protean" "Protein"

  • @ClubbingSealCub
    @ClubbingSealCub Год назад +9

    winter orb, also known as the orb of friendship

  • @ESBestrom
    @ESBestrom Год назад +2

    Fay Jones is not just Richard Garfield's aunt. She was an accomplished professional artist at that point. Her style is just not inline with MTG. But, I would 100% buy a Fey Jones Secret Lair.
    If you are ever in Seattle she did the mural for the Westlake Transit Tunnel.

  • @yarrrthekraken
    @yarrrthekraken Год назад +5

    I'm begging you. Protean Hulk is pronounced "PRO-tee-an". It's three syllables.

  • @Caliban_80
    @Caliban_80 Год назад +6

    Seems like a lot of these are through the lens of Commander. Commander wasn't nearly as popular when a lot of these cards came out. No way Rift was the most hated card of 2012. I seem to remember Supreme Verdict, Thragtusk/resto Angel etc. Most people wouldn't have even heard of notion thief in 2013. They WOULD definitely have had a groan inducing experience playing against Voice of Resurgence.

    • @oliverwilson11
      @oliverwilson11 Год назад +2

      True-Name Nemesis deserves most hatred of 2013, no other card comes close. Not just for being awful to play against but because it started the trend of cards from supplemental sets ruining non-rotating formats

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Год назад +1

      Yeah, how much to focus on commander and how much to focus on 60 card formats is one of the biggest challenges of videos like this.

  • @UltimaChronos
    @UltimaChronos Год назад +12

    I love it when Seth randomly dumps on the Lord of the Rings movies, never fails to get a laugh from me.

  • @PaulGaither
    @PaulGaither 8 месяцев назад +1

    4:40 - Correction needed. Flash was SO POWERFUL that it was given power errata, which killed it, and it was the removal of the power errata - not Protean Hulk - which caused it to be powerful again.
    I played in that time. I know first hand. Steve Menedian wrote an article about how Flash was used with Academy Rector.
    People thought that Hulk combo might be too clunky and unreliable. They were wrong, but people were already buying copies for Rector Flash after the WotC began to remove power errata from Flash and other cards.

  • @IramDiaz
    @IramDiaz Год назад +83

    I can't believe bowmasters is the most hated card. It has to be the most loved one, everyone wants to play this card
    and people's reaction when an opponent plays it is not as bad as when someone plays the one ring

    • @JulioDRai
      @JulioDRai Год назад +9

      Quite the opposite actually, The One Ring isnt really an issue since it wont win the game on its own and it doesnt prevent you from drawing cards it just helps the opponent a lot and if you know what you are doing and play around it you can get around its protection to everything.
      Bowmasters is imo Sheoldred on crack because they both tax card draw except Bowmasters has 2 bodies you gotta deal with and its 2 mana compared to 4 while also having Flash becuase why not oh and did I forget to mention its also not legendary?
      Also the only real good answear to a Bowmaster is your own Bowmaster which is not healthy for the game.

    • @KeganKirby
      @KeganKirby Год назад +18

      ​@@JulioDRaiany removal spell is a good answer for an orcish bowmaster. Another bowmaster isn't the greatest answer itself anyway since you have to rely on your opponent to draw cards, so you loose flexibility. And I'd argue that the massive amounts of card draw the ring provides wins games by itself in 60 card formats right now, especially since it's playable in any deck.

    • @JulioDRai
      @JulioDRai Год назад +3

      @@KeganKirby What removal you have that is 2 mana or less and removes both the bowmaster and the army? I'll be gald to hear all the good options we have that meet that requirement.
      Also idk what 60 card format you are playing where decks dont naturally draw tons of cards especially since almost everyone is running the Ring in their decks so Bowmasters are naturally good and you dont need to build around them or anything they are just another really strong midrange card you throw into any deck that has access to black.

    • @MetalHev
      @MetalHev Год назад +3

      As a control player, I'd 100% rather face the ring than the bowmasters. Bowmasters are just Sheoldred on crack for 2, which is supremely retarded, while the ring is a 4 mana card that kills you if they counter your other rings.

    • @zenmaster8826
      @zenmaster8826 Год назад +2

      @@KeganKirby
      Removing the bowmaster with conventional removal would be a tempo swing for the bowmaster’s controller.. it’s a 2 for 1. Such is the problem with the FIRES design era where threats immediately generate value and snowball later on… best answer to a bowmaster is another bowmaster

  • @janthomassen4175
    @janthomassen4175 Год назад +1

    As a former and old-school Stasis player i object! It was the 1st card banned from our kitchen table, (and that was 2 years after release!) :)

  • @9-b_b-9
    @9-b_b-9 Год назад +20

    People need to accept that if you should be allowed to draw a bazillion cards, people should be allowed to punish you for doing so.

    • @kingfuzzy2
      @kingfuzzy2 Год назад +2

      Same for my 5c mana bases

    • @KeitaroHirochi
      @KeitaroHirochi Год назад +2

      That's not the problem with those cards though. The problem is that wheels punish the snot out of everyone whether they wish it or not, and often, the decks that abuse these draw punishers are also drawing a bazillion cards.

  • @danielsimmich1858
    @danielsimmich1858 Год назад

    I know nothing about Magic so most of this went over my head, but that “control your opponents turn” card sounds absolutely bonkers, I love it

  • @hugeheadliang
    @hugeheadliang Год назад +12

    Time revealer Teferi is just ridiculous. The static ability alone is worth 5 mana at least.

    • @mr.joesterr5359
      @mr.joesterr5359 Год назад +1

      i mean we have grand abolisher at 2 mana with a much stronger ability...

    • @hugeheadliang
      @hugeheadliang Год назад

      That doesn't combo with Knowledge Pool.

    • @adammorin2955
      @adammorin2955 Год назад +1

      Teferi cards have always been busted so

  • @Chavorrucosbarandgrill
    @Chavorrucosbarandgrill 9 месяцев назад +1

    I absolutely love Stasis, I love the artwork made by the Aunt, and I used to have a Stasis deck back on the day.

  • @IneXtrikabul
    @IneXtrikabul 7 месяцев назад +3

    Ah, Protein Hulk! Love that card.

  • @jasona1000
    @jasona1000 Год назад +2

    I can feel my blood start to boil at the sight of Teferi, Time Reveler.

  • @KayrBayr13
    @KayrBayr13 Год назад +2

    Interesting. I'm very new to MtG (only played Arena, will find a small friend group now to have more fun) and Ragavan has already become my most hated card. Nexus of Fate is a close second.

  • @jstohler
    @jstohler 4 месяца назад

    I once built an entire deck around Jokulhaups. It almost never worked, but when it did it was hilarious chaos.

  • @caleb7882
    @caleb7882 Год назад +11

    The early ones are all so unique and cool, I like that you used to be able to efficiently interact with mana bases. Sad they’re phasing that out in favor of overpowered threats and snowball resource accumulation with nothing to check it. Sometimes it’s nice to get into a top deck war.

    • @EliyaSelhub
      @EliyaSelhub Год назад +2

      They're really fun in vintage cube draft, but miserable in constructed. Once you reliably break the symmetry they become I-play-magic-and-you-don't cards.

  • @crapparc
    @crapparc Год назад +1

    I remember that Ajani! The deck, Tropical Hut, was really fun. I played it, though, before it was even an archetype. I feel pretty proud of that.

  • @Atmapalazzo
    @Atmapalazzo Год назад +3

    I feel like there was a bit too much commander focus with the exclusion of upheaval the choices for mirrodin block.
    Edit: I'm confused. Didn't worldpurge come out over a year after "grand arbiter whomever the 4th".

  • @BlackSwanSeeker
    @BlackSwanSeeker Год назад +1

    This video should be titled "The most hated cards in commander from each year".

  • @ceronmachtdinge
    @ceronmachtdinge Год назад +3

    Surprised that Sharazad isn't on that list. Playing subgame after subgame is so much fun for everybody. And when I saw that one played out in a game of Emperor (which already has space management difficulties for seating 6 players in a certain way), and some clownish player decided to fork that. well.

  • @CatastropheCatalyst
    @CatastropheCatalyst Месяц назад +1

    37:36 no longer everpresent, dockside is just banned 😂

  • @antoniohenderson6090
    @antoniohenderson6090 Год назад +4

    I didn't believe that Orcish Bowmasters wasn't that good in preview season. Its a 1/1, who cares if it occasionally pings and makes an army bigger
    That was, until I opened a couple copies and realized if your opponent doesn't have an answer it is a monster of a card.
    I run it in a Shagrat historic brawl build and it is nutty

  • @hahayes1072
    @hahayes1072 Год назад +1

    its silly that orchis bowmasters is hated, its easily interacted with, counterspell? yep, burn? yep, removal? yep, fight? yes.

  • @thomaskotak
    @thomaskotak Год назад +7

    "protein hulk"

  • @ziziorens348
    @ziziorens348 Год назад +1

    Humility and mentioning Reclamation Sage triggered a memory in me.
    We were playing 4 player casual commander and one of the players let me borrow their Golgari deck. The other, BW player, played the Overwhelming Splendor, which is essentially the same card, but just for your opponents, and pretty much all the creatures in my deck had ETB AND death triggers. So, I'm like all sad and stuff, but as soon as my turn comes, I rip the sage off the top and immediately slam it only to realize... Oh yeah, it's just a 1/1 now. I've never had such a quick rollercoaster of emotions.

  • @mikemoyer8162
    @mikemoyer8162 Год назад +5

    It really bums me out that land destruction is such a hated archetype these days. I grew up with it and will always love it. Shoot i run Jokulhaups in my rakdos group slug deck, but i only really use it if I'm locking up the game (it notably doesn't kill enchantments 😂)

  • @kOfTheQ
    @kOfTheQ 11 месяцев назад

    Fun fact, if you control two replacement effects, you get to choose. Tomorrow, Azamis familiar gets around possessed portal. Also doable with Panoptic mirror and a tutor, but if you have that you might as well put something really degenerate on it, like additional turns.

  • @n3croticism
    @n3croticism Год назад +4

    People really hated Divine Intervention? I've never seen anyone play it, it's a card designed for ante and nobody played with ante. It was banned because it could create problems in tournaments.

    • @kingfuzzy2
      @kingfuzzy2 Год назад +3

      Wasn't played back in the day at all. I currently play it in an alt wincon tribal deck and the players that are losing are always grateful when I end the game in a tie.

  • @joshthoughts6177
    @joshthoughts6177 Год назад +1

    I play casually with a group that has cards from many eras, I’ve seen winter orb many times and I’ve felt its sting
    absolutely brutal control

  • @hallucinogenicjello5847
    @hallucinogenicjello5847 Год назад +4

    The video was very cool, touring the "saltiest commander cards" by EDHrec despite half the actual monsters of each year ignored or left as honorable mentions.
    I really like the idea for this series but really hope they would be more localized to time period, as this + the reanimation creature video could be answered by me googling eternal format banlists and most hated cards of commander.

  • @andy4an
    @andy4an Год назад +1

    I was unable to convince my casual group to ban rhistic study... and they also didn't pay it very often, basically pouring 10+ cards into a single players hand for 2 mana

  • @vermora356
    @vermora356 Год назад +16

    How did Oko not even get an honorable mention? Was it just so traumatising that Seth erased that busted planeswalker from his memory?

    • @zenmaster8826
      @zenmaster8826 Год назад +7

      It did.. he was mentioned in the 2019 section… which seth mentioned the year also had lot of annoying cards and could probably have a section of its own..🤣

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Год назад +9

      There was a brief mention in the long list of hated cards from 2019. Honestly, that year was so broken it was a bit overwhelming.

    • @pinobluevogel6458
      @pinobluevogel6458 Год назад +1

      This would make a great video on its own. However, it might be nice to focus on some of the good things too, to balance it out. Almost every horrible period had its positive undercurrents. For example: even though Throne of Eldrain was completely busted and they had to ban several cards, the graphic design on the cards was surprisingly good. Making a set about fairytales and still making it cool is an achievement on its own.

    • @channeling764
      @channeling764 9 месяцев назад

      @@pinobluevogel64582019 made me quit Magic. Power creep made me hate my life playing modern. I’m happy I retired since everything went downhill from there

    • @channeling764
      @channeling764 9 месяцев назад

      @@MTGGoldfishthat year was the beginning of the end for MTG. Nothing was the same since then. I’m glad I quit

  • @gnkstudios6138
    @gnkstudios6138 Год назад +2

    So far 2023 might have to go to The One Ring. That card is truly obnoxious

  • @KILOWATTE
    @KILOWATTE Год назад +4

    the "wanna loose some friends" add read really got me :DD

    • @suNn.K.O
      @suNn.K.O Год назад +1

      Heh heh. Loose.

  • @EnglishAdventures
    @EnglishAdventures Год назад +1

    I hate Drannith Magistrate in Commander…this one guy at my LGS always plays it. I bring new decks there that I lovingly brew, only for him to play a DM and prevent me from playing my commander. He plays it in a deck that allows him to loop counter spells so I can’t remove it…he also plays a Child of Alara deck. Hate that card too haha. Great video!

    • @liamsmith8518
      @liamsmith8518 Год назад +3

      Do the other people at the table play no removal? even with some looping he shouldn't be able to consistently beat three people's removal

  • @justthePhoenix
    @justthePhoenix Год назад +3

    Silly question, but is this list about the most hated card relevant to Commander? Because not seeing Arcbound Ravager/Skullclamp or Jace the Mind Sculptor for their respective years is really confusing. Because though either of them isn't super hated today, they were EXTREMELY hated for in their relevant times.

  • @Temmie_on_smash
    @Temmie_on_smash Год назад +2

    21:50 it should have been Emrakul. Shes hated so much that she got banned plus you get to take another turn if you cast her, which youve already said people hate

  • @vahnvega1990
    @vahnvega1990 Год назад +6

    Ruin Crab and any and all Ashinok cards are my most hated, Tasha's Hideous Laughter too. I'm annoyed with mill, I can at least recover if I have a graveyard deck, but exiling mill just ticks me off.

  • @Goryus
    @Goryus Год назад +1

    Krark-Clan Ironworks / Second Sunrise
    Rishadan Port
    Invisible Stalker
    Shaharazad

  • @rajamicitrenti1374
    @rajamicitrenti1374 Год назад +3

    I was expecting 2008 to be Cruel Ultimatum. It pretty much singlehandedly warped Block Constructed and is just such an incredible swing of the game state that it's a major feels-bad whenever it resolves on you.

    • @OGNoNameNobody
      @OGNoNameNobody Год назад

      One problem: no-one plays block constructed.

  • @olafweidner8227
    @olafweidner8227 Год назад +2

    totally agree with thoughtseize. discarding a card i couldn't care less about but the fact that it gives perfect information from turn 1 is just so obnoxious. its also the kind of card thats basically auto-include in any 60 card black deck if its legal which adds a lot to the hate. basically need to run thoughtseize so your opponent takes your thoughtseize instead of your good cards. its almost on the same level as mental misstep in my oppinion

  • @akodotain
    @akodotain Год назад +4

    The bowmasters arent a problem atm. They've been very whatever when I've met them accross the arena. Someone might find a way to make them stronger for competative play, maybe along the lines of sword of the meek and a cheap deathtouch buff.
    One Ring is likely the fastest to get banned as it's necropotence with upside. I dont particularly hate the card though.
    Nazgul need a slight nerf, something along the lines of "If your starting deck contains at least 100 cards, you may include 9 copies of this".
    My most hated in lotr right now would be rosie cotton, because sitting through the opponent's combo triggers is really tedious, especially when they dont realise they are dead on board no matter how much they spam out.

    • @xXYourShadowDaniXx
      @xXYourShadowDaniXx Год назад

      I think Nazgul are too strong unlike Bowmasters; you need up to 9 removal that do at least 3 damage, deathtouch, counterspell, enchant lockdown (also can suck if it doesn't disable pump), or return (which sucks against Nazgul); or you need multiple board wipes. Nazgul players also seem to understand this and usually only play 2-3 at a time and just Tempt over and over to pump while blasting your board.
      With 4 x Bowmasters you only need 8 removal max if you include the amass creatures, and returns completely kill them, enchant lockdown also completely destroys amass strat by placing on army, bowmasters die to 1 damage instead of 3, etc. Much easier to deal with.
      If I hadn't seen so many One Ring breaking strats I'd say Nazgul is my most hated.

    • @akodotain
      @akodotain Год назад

      ​Most of Nazgul's problems go away when you get rid of their consistency in a 60 card format.
      T1 Delighted Halfling
      T2 Nazgul
      T3 Nazgul +cmc1 interaction
      T4 Nazgul +cmc2 interaction
      The nut draw can be an opening play for any golgari deck. "Fair Agro" likes the t4 kill on the play before 4cmc sweeper. Midrange likes the 3 should answer threats that accrue residual value. Control likes the board tarpit that distracts and delays while they assemble an unstoppable wincon.
      If you take them down to 4/60, then they are less ubiquitous, so you as the opponent can react in a more informed way. (The Nazgul player is either midrange or playing jank in 4/60)

  • @rexempire3365
    @rexempire3365 Год назад +2

    Worldpurge (and Apocalypse) can be broken by reanimating Worldgorger Dragon and casting Worldpurge (or Apocalypse) with floating mana. Its pretty jank but it works

  • @kingfuzzy2
    @kingfuzzy2 Год назад +3

    Most of these are fair magic or unplayed in the years they were printed so that's wild.

    • @nekrataali
      @nekrataali Год назад

      Ye this doesn't feel like a historical list, but rather what cards everyone hates in 2023. Winter Orb was not the most hated card in Alpha. That probably goes to Mind Twist, Balance, Sink Hole, or Strip Mine. I don't know how you could even skip over Shahrazad. Shahrazad + Regrowth + Timetwister was an actual thing until Shahrazad was just banned.

    • @kingfuzzy2
      @kingfuzzy2 Год назад

      @@nekrataali absolutely this does feel like the perspective of a commander/ modern magic player rather than a person who spent time playing in that time. Imho the abyss and nether void were the most hated until 96 .

  • @Goblin_War_Buggy
    @Goblin_War_Buggy Год назад +2

    I really think with time the one ring might become the most hated for 2023 (unless something get printed in wilds of eldraine)
    the protection from everything for a turn effect is brutal for aggro decks
    and the downside of losing a life for each burden counter doesn't work half the time since you just draw into another copy of the one ring and replace it with a fresh one

    • @moonlight_scribe
      @moonlight_scribe Год назад

      And is completed negated if you can stick. Sheoldred alongside the ring.

    • @Welverin
      @Welverin Год назад

      It's too early to say for this year, he really should have left it off. Especially when he chose a card that's only been out a few weeks.

  • @frankvaldivia9643
    @frankvaldivia9643 Год назад +19

    Not sure how Fable of the Mirror-Breaker wasn't most-hated of 2022. We all know it's true.

    • @CromwellMTG
      @CromwellMTG Год назад

      Facts

    • @oliverwilson11
      @oliverwilson11 Год назад

      Nah, fable is forgivable. Plenty of really good players underrated it when it was spoiled, it wasn’t an immediately obvious mistake like Lurrus. An Unfinity card needed to be the 2022 winner

    • @adammorin2955
      @adammorin2955 Год назад

      Fable is mid card outside of standard

    • @zenmaster8826
      @zenmaster8826 Год назад +3

      @@adammorin2955
      Mid card? Nope… it’s being used everywhere.

  • @OfficialMaddeck
    @OfficialMaddeck 9 месяцев назад +1

    Thinking about making a Child of Alara deck with every of the most hated card from each year.

  • @nickmoser7734
    @nickmoser7734 2 месяца назад +6

    Why does your voice sound like that?

  • @DoingNothingKing
    @DoingNothingKing 2 месяца назад +2

    25:25 ya u & any1 who picked this showed they didn’t play during 2012 lol rift wasn’t even CLOSE The most hated card, Supreme verdict was
    Just shows how lost people are & since rift has become popular again they automatically assume it had to be most hated back then when its not even top 10 lol & 2011-13 was best standard MTG ever in history

  • @uszatykurwo1680
    @uszatykurwo1680 Год назад +3

    Nexus of Fate was soooo toxic, but not gonna lie i loved played simic nexus in standard

    • @kingfuzzy2
      @kingfuzzy2 Год назад +2

      I was a standard player until that deck plopped

  • @aabrightlove
    @aabrightlove Год назад +1

    > Tibalt's Trickery has entered the chat

  • @notMILKorcream
    @notMILKorcream 6 месяцев назад +3

    One thing I don't like about your videos, is your cadence to giggle while saying a word every sentence is like your about to burst into laughing and it annoys the hell out me. I like your videos don't get me wrong its just your voice gets annoying every 5 seconds. kinda like how Ryan Reynolds whisper talks.

  • @PassGoGames
    @PassGoGames 6 месяцев назад

    I had a deck that revolved around Possessed Portal! I paired it with Tomorrow, Azumi's Familiar which let's you look at and place cards from your deck into your hand, getting around the word 'draw'.

  • @tomsmith4698
    @tomsmith4698 Год назад +1

    Great list Seth. Super funny walk down memory lane.