@@avenger4027 I agree with XY needing a 3rd version. The games definitely felt incomplete. Other than that gen 6 was definitely when the games started to decline.
Give them gen 6+ movepools and fix those who still have garbage movepools nowadays, fix crappy evolution levels and gen 5 would be the best Pokemon games (and put Noivern in them too and buff Rhinolove because bat families really need all the help they can get, it's impossible to make a proper Batman team even in gen 6 FFS...)
Pokémon White 2 was the first Pokémon game that I ever owned, I got it around the time it came out but when I first played it I didn't really read anything and I didn't know what I was doing causing me to dislike the game and never really touch it. A few months ago I played Shining Pearl for the first time after not touching Pokémon for a very long time and I enjoyed it a lot, this made me want to play more Pokémon games which made me then play shield, scarlet, and legends arceus which I all enjoyed playing a lot. After playing those games I decided I should go back to White 2 to see if I would actually enjoy it and I did, it was a very fun game and I ended up playing until I beat the Pokémon League and I'm really glad I went back to White 2 after all this time.
I think they are awesome games. The fact we can catch a riolu and eevee very early is amazing! I think it’s best feature is the tournament where you can fight gym leaders and champions from past games.
BW and BW2 got me hooked back on pokemon after I had already left the franchise. After Emerald released, I checked out and wouldn't return until a decade later when I was on break from uni. HGSS eased me back into something familiar, and then BW2 blew my socks off. It isn't nostalgia for BW2 that makes me love it. Rather, BW2 uses my existing nostalgia for the previous games in the series to make me love it as my favorite. That's brilliant.
I played BW2 for the first time not too long ago and I really wished I played this one when it released because this was, is, and always will be PEAK perfection
The problem with the hard mode is that raising enemy levels just causes you to level quicker. A "proper" hard mode might actually need to go the other route & level cap your Pokemon so that no member of your party can level beyond a certain threshold until certain points in the game.
I agree, my idea for hard mode is higher IV Pokémon, better trainer Ai, and more Pokemon per team. Something that makes each encounter more difficult as opposed to making the levels higher :D
Also I do wanna add that both B2 and W2 have some of the best rom hacks, especially with Blaze Black 2 Redux / Volt White 2 Redux. Easily some of the best pokemon roms hacks I’ve ever played, here’s a list of some of the things they add: -fairy typing is added -all 649 mons are able to be captured (pokemon that need trading or traded with held item are evolved with a new item and their respective item; ex. Golem, Alakazam, Gengar uses a Link Cable to evolve them, or Electivire uses the Electirizer to evolve.) -typing changes (ex. Emboar is Fire/Ground or Charizard is Fire/Dragon) and stats improved for a good amount of mons. Also some get new abilites. -some good additions into the main story and especially massive postgame content -access to difficulty keys right of the bat. -shiny are a bit more common and much more.
playing gen 5 for the first time currently. just finished the main story in white/white 2 after spending months resetting for a shiny tepig. i am incredibly bias due to my dope blue emboar but they’re probably my favorite pokemon games
Black Tower is one of my favorite mechanics in a Pokemon game ever, describing it as like the Battle Frontier, when the Battle Trains exist, doesn’t do it justice. Loved having to find my way around, looking for healing and conserving my party. They need to bring it back and improve on it
Even though the story wasn’t quite as compelling as in bw1, I feel like these games are better able to balance plot elements with gameplay. I always thought the originals had a bit too much dialogue at times, and came across as overly linear, especially regarding map progression. At least for me, bw2 almost entirely fixes those issues, of course aside from the mandatory pokestar studios sequence.
BW1 had a more compelling narrative but…it’s still a Pokémon narrative at the end of the day. That’s like saying one piece of white bread is better than the other. Sure, it may be true, but I’d rather take the lesser piece of white bread that has peanut butter on it, which is what BW2 is; lesser story, but way better adventure…yeah it’s a weird analogy but I stand by it lol.
Still wished that Pokemon Black and Pokemon White games were released onto Nintendo Switch just like the remake of Pokemon Brilliant Diamond and Pokemon Shinning Pearl because I always to what the version would look like in the graphic designs of the characters and the scenery to be more like Pokemon Sword/Shield and Pokemon Scarlet/Violet games.
I'm still waiting for Pokémon to come out with another game where you can visit another region. Pokémon GSC hold a special place in my heart as a kid and I'm just hoping they can recreate gold like that again.
Outside of emerald and hgss, black and white 2 are probably my favorite games in the series. I wasn’t a huge fan of unova in black and white, but unova in black and white 2 is one of my favorite regions in the series.
BW2 are easily my favorite games in the series. The style is sublime, the difficulty is perfect, and there’s so much content that it feels like it can last forever. Though one addition I think would have made it perfect in my eyes would be the addition of following Pokemon. That Mienfoo tease in Humiliau City is basically the original “The Battle Frontier project has started!”
I dont think they’re the very best pokemon games in the series but definitely top 6 or 7 without a doubt. MASSIVE improvement over the original Black and White 1. Seeing the pokemon world tournament return in a future game would be awesome
Chuggaaconroy actually provided an analysis on the Challenge Mode of these games and concluded that the overall, the difficulty increase wasn't that high compared to the normal difficulty.
I don't speak from nostalgia because I beat Black 2 around 1 month ago. It is AWESOME!!! While storywise I liked the original BW a little more; BW2 overall has a little edge because of the Pokémon World Tournament.
@dannyboy6233 There's no Battle Frontier in Black/White 2. The closest to it would be the Pokémon World Tournament, which is really fun for both competitive experts and casual players like me.
@@dannyboy6233 I never played battle frontier from Platinum, but I played the one from Emerald. Battle Frontier is more complete, but Pokémon World Tournament is awesome because you can face gym leaders and Champions from previous generations, and doesn't require having a winning streak to make progress. You should definitely play BW and then B2W2. I haven't played the games from gen 6 to 9, but to me BW and B2W2 are better than the games of previous generations, including Platinum which is amazing in its own right. Of course, this is my opinion, but gen 5 games have widespread acclaim nowadays.
Pokemon black and white you only see gen 5 pokemon until you beat the game which is great if you want to shiny hunt without getting pokemon from other gens like zubat, geodude that's one of the reasons I don't like hunting in diamond and pearl because you phase a lot on pokemon you already have.
Me have all every game. Only good can say look wonderful bot games. But the rest it meh feeling. Like 1st game either 2 games, and not remaster. Like 1st blue and red but then green yellow to grow on succes of last color theme.
These were the last GREAT Pokémon games. Pokémon got a little better from Gen 1-3 and got a little worse from 3-5. Gen 6 was when Pokémon lost its MAGIC.
Yes, but very overpraised and really expensive to get, (I own both versions) good but not masterpieces compared to smash 4, Mario galaxy, 3d land/world, dark moon,planet robobot,neither Pokemon game is a masterpiece for me at least
@@mftg_zombie9837 no story mode is a lame reason to hate smash 4, smash 4 is better than bw 2 because it’s a 3ds/wiiu game, with better graphics and smash run, and is peak of smash bros and the haters won’t ridicule me for saying this, smash>pokemon
Gen 3 (FireRed) story isn’t that good. Team Rocket is just a gang. How a 10 year old is gonna beat the leader Giovani? Best plot is that Blue was the champ. HG and SS is a remake of gen 2 and a sequel to gen 1. Team Rocket only goals is bring Giovani back. ORAS have a better story but, by far the best story in Pokemon main games is Black and White 1.
@@StrawHatMidas aren't we taking about b2&w2 though? Pretty sure b2w2 gets a constant 30fps. Now adays people complain if it's not 60fps+ even if it a hand-held from 2003 playing a turn-baced RPG seriously you don't need 60 for that I'd get it if it was running a fighting game or and action RPG that requires the ability to execute split-second frame perfect moves to play effectively at a high level but is pretty obvious to anyone with functioning eyes that's not the case (Not that anyone asked or cares lol) (IN MY OPINION)
@@ultimate_pleb because he was making a point comparing the newer games to the older games saying that the newer games have a lot of problems like performance issues. The creator also replied to ur comment so I’m pretty sure that he knew what he was trying to say.
Gen 5 is peak Pokemon. No gen after that comes anywhere close. Gen 3-5 is the golden age.
Gen 3/5 was the best. But 1/2 was also special and a lot darker
Golden age was gen 3-6 imo
@@skylanderstrapteamfacts
@@skylanderstrapteam Nope, Gen 6 was undercooked trash that only got "saved" halfway because of a remake of an older game. XY needed a third version.
@@avenger4027 I agree with XY needing a 3rd version. The games definitely felt incomplete. Other than that gen 6 was definitely when the games started to decline.
It’s funny I remember when gen 5 was considered terrible by the majority (or at least the loudest) of Pokémon fans lol. It’s crazy how things change.
Gen 5 was the second I played and I loved the new selection of pk, I did find the games difficult too due to me being a lil kid lol
Gen 5 was peak Pokemon
100% :D
Give them gen 6+ movepools and fix those who still have garbage movepools nowadays, fix crappy evolution levels and gen 5 would be the best Pokemon games (and put Noivern in them too and buff Rhinolove because bat families really need all the help they can get, it's impossible to make a proper Batman team even in gen 6 FFS...)
Pokémon White 2 was the first Pokémon game that I ever owned, I got it around the time it came out but when I first played it I didn't really read anything and I didn't know what I was doing causing me to dislike the game and never really touch it. A few months ago I played Shining Pearl for the first time after not touching Pokémon for a very long time and I enjoyed it a lot, this made me want to play more Pokémon games which made me then play shield, scarlet, and legends arceus which I all enjoyed playing a lot. After playing those games I decided I should go back to White 2 to see if I would actually enjoy it and I did, it was a very fun game and I ended up playing until I beat the Pokémon League and I'm really glad I went back to White 2 after all this time.
This was the first innovative pokemon game of its time, it was the first to change things up and we never got a game like it since
I think they are awesome games. The fact we can catch a riolu and eevee very early is amazing! I think it’s best feature is the tournament where you can fight gym leaders and champions from past games.
The world tournament including characters like Cynthia and Red made it so special :D
BW and BW2 got me hooked back on pokemon after I had already left the franchise. After Emerald released, I checked out and wouldn't return until a decade later when I was on break from uni. HGSS eased me back into something familiar, and then BW2 blew my socks off. It isn't nostalgia for BW2 that makes me love it. Rather, BW2 uses my existing nostalgia for the previous games in the series to make me love it as my favorite. That's brilliant.
I played BW2 for the first time not too long ago and I really wished I played this one when it released because this was, is, and always will be PEAK perfection
You have gotten to experience peak, it’s all down hill from here lol
@@StrawHatMidas Unfortunately...
Best 2D Pokémon game
I think its absolutely one of the best :D
The problem with the hard mode is that raising enemy levels just causes you to level quicker.
A "proper" hard mode might actually need to go the other route & level cap your Pokemon so that no member of your party can level beyond a certain threshold until certain points in the game.
I agree, my idea for hard mode is higher IV Pokémon, better trainer Ai, and more Pokemon per team. Something that makes each encounter more difficult as opposed to making the levels higher :D
Also I do wanna add that both B2 and W2 have some of the best rom hacks, especially with Blaze Black 2 Redux / Volt White 2 Redux. Easily some of the best pokemon roms hacks I’ve ever played, here’s a list of some of the things they add:
-fairy typing is added
-all 649 mons are able to be captured (pokemon that need trading or traded with held item are evolved with a new item and their respective item; ex. Golem, Alakazam, Gengar uses a Link Cable to evolve them, or Electivire uses the Electirizer to evolve.)
-typing changes (ex. Emboar is Fire/Ground or Charizard is Fire/Dragon) and stats improved for a good amount of mons. Also some get new abilites.
-some good additions into the main story and especially massive postgame content
-access to difficulty keys right of the bat.
-shiny are a bit more common and much more.
playing gen 5 for the first time currently. just finished the main story in white/white 2 after spending months resetting for a shiny tepig. i am incredibly bias due to my dope blue emboar but they’re probably my favorite pokemon games
The blue emboar is a great shiny :D
Is shiny hunting fun?
@@uzairkhan7166 no it's a time killer
@@uzairkhan7166definitely not but my shiny mesprit looks dope.
@@uzairkhan7166not at all but the reward is what you do it for
Black Tower is one of my favorite mechanics in a Pokemon game ever, describing it as like the Battle Frontier, when the Battle Trains exist, doesn’t do it justice. Loved having to find my way around, looking for healing and conserving my party. They need to bring it back and improve on it
Even though the story wasn’t quite as compelling as in bw1, I feel like these games are better able to balance plot elements with gameplay. I always thought the originals had a bit too much dialogue at times, and came across as overly linear, especially regarding map progression. At least for me, bw2 almost entirely fixes those issues, of course aside from the mandatory pokestar studios sequence.
BW1 had a more compelling narrative but…it’s still a Pokémon narrative at the end of the day. That’s like saying one piece of white bread is better than the other. Sure, it may be true, but I’d rather take the lesser piece of white bread that has peanut butter on it, which is what BW2 is; lesser story, but way better adventure…yeah it’s a weird analogy but I stand by it lol.
The reusable TMs and the Shiny Charm are the great new features.
I never liked Black 1, and went off pokemon for a few years, but loved Black 2
Just went the Black and White 2 again recently. Very good Pokémon game. Definitely up there in my top 3.
HG/SS
FR/LG
B2/W2
Still wished that Pokemon Black and Pokemon White games were released onto Nintendo Switch just like the remake of Pokemon Brilliant Diamond and Pokemon Shinning Pearl because I always to what the version would look like in the graphic designs of the characters and the scenery to be more like Pokemon Sword/Shield and Pokemon Scarlet/Violet games.
Im playing White 2 atm. And the game is very high quality and well polished.
I'm still waiting for Pokémon to come out with another game where you can visit another region. Pokémon GSC hold a special place in my heart as a kid and I'm just hoping they can recreate gold like that again.
Outside of emerald and hgss, black and white 2 are probably my favorite games in the series. I wasn’t a huge fan of unova in black and white, but unova in black and white 2 is one of my favorite regions in the series.
BW2 are easily my favorite games in the series. The style is sublime, the difficulty is perfect, and there’s so much content that it feels like it can last forever.
Though one addition I think would have made it perfect in my eyes would be the addition of following Pokemon. That Mienfoo tease in Humiliau City is basically the original “The Battle Frontier project has started!”
I wish they would just port the ds games in switch and not make remakes.
I loved the black and white games so much
I dont think they’re the very best pokemon games in the series but definitely top 6 or 7 without a doubt. MASSIVE improvement over the original Black and White 1. Seeing the pokemon world tournament return in a future game would be awesome
I want it back SO BAD, there have been the same amount of generation since this was introduced the first time so maybe next generation it will be back
When they eventually take their finger out and remake these 2 sets of games for switch or switch 2 all will be right with the world again
this was my first pokemon game absolutely loved it
Chuggaaconroy actually provided an analysis on the Challenge Mode of these games and concluded that the overall, the difficulty increase wasn't that high compared to the normal difficulty.
I just wanna say this but the route 4 theme in these games specifically the summer version is the best route theme in the series, argue with me
I would have been better if in Black2 / White 2 you can import your Pokémons used in Black / White making the continuity more sense.
Answer: Yes!
New region, new mons and great story. Too bad people didnt appreciate it that much seeing how the original BW and BW 2 sales were so low
The feature that made it good was the 3d thing that no other pokemon games could adhere😂😂
I remember when people “Hated” these games, look at them know
Pokémon bw2 is my first and favorite Pokémon games.
Yes, yes BW2 are the best. So much good content and a respectable base difficulty on it
0:00 yes
12:11 yes
Fun fact there was going be Pokémon gray
That would have been great :D
@@StrawHatMidasya but odd color 😂
Yeah but then the project split into 2 similar to how the dragons split 😮
I don't speak from nostalgia because I beat Black 2 around 1 month ago. It is AWESOME!!!
While storywise I liked the original BW a little more; BW2 overall has a little edge because of the Pokémon World Tournament.
Is there anything like a battle frontier in Pokémon black and white 2?
@dannyboy6233 There's no Battle Frontier in Black/White 2. The closest to it would be the Pokémon World Tournament, which is really fun for both competitive experts and casual players like me.
@ is it better than battle frontier? Is the game also better than platinum? Should I give it a try?
@ is it better than frontier and is black 2 white 2 better than platinum?
@@dannyboy6233 I never played battle frontier from Platinum, but I played the one from Emerald. Battle Frontier is more complete, but Pokémon World Tournament is awesome because you can face gym leaders and Champions from previous generations, and doesn't require having a winning streak to make progress.
You should definitely play BW and then B2W2. I haven't played the games from gen 6 to 9, but to me BW and B2W2 are better than the games of previous generations, including Platinum which is amazing in its own right. Of course, this is my opinion, but gen 5 games have widespread acclaim nowadays.
if the only reason i modded my 3ds was to play them its safe to assume yes
Yes
I agree :D
Pokemon black and white you only see gen 5 pokemon until you beat the game which is great if you want to shiny hunt without getting pokemon from other gens like zubat, geodude that's one of the reasons I don't like hunting in diamond and pearl because you phase a lot on pokemon you already have.
The best games. Not even a comparison. Like and i mean no remakes with it
I hate Hugh so much, but I love Black and White 2
Short answer. Yes
Me have all every game. Only good can say look wonderful bot games. But the rest it meh feeling. Like 1st game either 2 games, and not remaster. Like 1st blue and red but then green yellow to grow on succes of last color theme.
These were the last GREAT Pokémon games. Pokémon got a little better from Gen 1-3 and got a little worse from 3-5. Gen 6 was when Pokémon lost its MAGIC.
@@dankairgadam8841 the DS era truly ruined Pokemon
Yes!
:D
yes, there were and are really that good!
It has Steelix so it automatically wins
Yes, but very overpraised and really expensive to get, (I own both versions) good but not masterpieces compared to smash 4, Mario galaxy, 3d land/world, dark moon,planet robobot,neither Pokemon game is a masterpiece for me at least
That is fair, in terms of pokemon games I like it but when compared to mario galaxy its not THAT good lol :D
Emulators unless you want to shiny hunt on twitch
True. But I think it has a very complex and interesting story to compared to diamond and pearl and heart gold and soul silver
L take man smash 4 literally has no story mode how is it better than black 2/white 2
@@mftg_zombie9837 no story mode is a lame reason to hate smash 4, smash 4 is better than bw 2 because it’s a 3ds/wiiu game, with better graphics and smash run, and is peak of smash bros and the haters won’t ridicule me for saying this, smash>pokemon
My starter is simisear
Short answer: yes
So it's not perfect because it has no difficulty selection... And yet I am playing challenge mode as we speak?
Best games ever.
D MOST OVERRATED GENERATION 😅
@@MojaveKnight17 the prices on eBay says it all not counting emulators
@@3dsfan2002 I really do not like gen 5
@@MojaveKnight17 it’s extremely overrated and turned Pokémon into a toxic fanbase who trashes post DS era games
Not my favorite games tbh but I loved the amount of post game content
@StrawHatMidas agreed but it's over praised these days
Adler
Bro slow down
Never (what am I do too fast)
Driving the bicycle is annoying!
I think the story’s are interesting and unique but they’re not the best when it comes to fire red, heart gold and omega ruby and alpha sapphire
I like how it was a sequel :D
Gen 3 (FireRed) story isn’t that good. Team Rocket is just a gang. How a 10 year old is gonna beat the leader Giovani? Best plot is that Blue was the champ. HG and SS is a remake of gen 2 and a sequel to gen 1. Team Rocket only goals is bring Giovani back. ORAS have a better story but, by far the best story in Pokemon main games is Black and White 1.
yeah man L take firered plot kinda stinks they just have the best rivial imo
@@mftg_zombie9837 yes but they still have the best polt revied in my opinion.
@@javierdavilarosa4615 black and white is indeed the best Pokémon story to have happened so far in the faze deep storyline plot telling of Pokemon
Why go through the effort of making a video like this when you're talking through a tin can
damn this youtuber really is insecure whether a pokemon game is good or not huh
I HAVE TO KNOW IF THEY ARE GOOD
Mid
I like them but I get why they are divisive :D
9:28 performance issues?
Where?!
All over the modern games like S/V and the wild area in Sw/Sh :D
@@StrawHatMidas aren't we taking about b2&w2 though? Pretty sure b2w2 gets a constant 30fps. Now adays people complain if it's not 60fps+ even if it a hand-held from 2003 playing a turn-baced RPG seriously you don't need 60 for that I'd get it if it was running a fighting game or and action RPG that requires the ability to execute split-second frame perfect moves to play effectively at a high level but is pretty obvious to anyone with functioning eyes that's not the case
(Not that anyone asked or cares lol)
(IN MY OPINION)
@@ultimate_plebhe’s talking about the new games
@@fourmoore5589 then why did he show footage of b2w2 instead of one of the newer games when he said that?
@@ultimate_pleb because he was making a point comparing the newer games to the older games saying that the newer games have a lot of problems like performance issues. The creator also replied to ur comment so I’m pretty sure that he knew what he was trying to say.
Yes