KTM 890 Duke R v Triumph Street Triple RS
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- The 2020 KTM 890 Duke R gets its first skirmish against the middleweight roadster king; Triumph's new Street Triple RS. This head-to-head features a thorough road test, dynos and pasties by the sea...
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It’s a shame Baron wasn’t there to ride the triple, because he loves running on 3 cylinders.
Savage!
Too soon? :D
Ah yes the infamous Yamaha street triple R0.75 😂
Ooooooffff
Ayyyyyyyyyyy
This old guy is RUclips gold. :)
Did you see the best crash video with Al and Mossy. Highly recommended ruclips.net/video/jsecYWALQEg/видео.html
Look at their Yamaha Tenere 700 review. He talks about shitting on the floor of his house 😂
Mossy is a legend.
I think this old review is one of my favorites of Mossy. ruclips.net/video/Bbg4uA9IXyk/видео.html
@@kignacio 2
i got the 890r with full akrapovich i did ride now 8000km with it and its just a mental bike, wheelys and torque everywhere
Nigel
Nigel and the making plans for. Name a more iconic duo.
The conversations are so different between you 3 and i think it's wonderful. Totally engrossed and excited to get outside
wait a second, what happened at 21:30 isn't circling the top comments - It's like watching a newborn dear get its legs.
Pretend crashing. It’s a new thing
@@FortyFourTeeth sounds like a instagram thing...
@@afroaliens or like a tikcock.. pardon, tiktok challenge
@@afroaliens what's Instagram?
@@FortyFourTeeth i saw it.. i saw you pucker and squeeze 👍🏼
After riding a 765 Street for about 6k miles, it does sometimes ruin other bikes for me. It's so controlled and refined that I often hop on friends bikes and immediately notice the smallest issues with suspension, ride, or clutch feel.
Compared to my blade there is no feel in the clutch on the Street.
But the rest of the bike is perfect, love the Street in the corners
Absolutely right. Traded in my GSXR 1000 for a Ducati 950 Hypermotard. ( After watching 44 teeth's review) And never looked back, on the road the super naked is so much more usable and fun than a 175 mph super bike
Call me Mr Boring - or Nigel - But i think I'd have the Triple every time.
Good review. BTW. Nice to see Mossy again.
immobiliser failure was a big problem for the 790 as well. Happened on mine and needed all rewiring with a new loom on warranty. Tends to go hand in hand with cornering ABS failure too which is fun :| I'm swapping my 790 for the Street Triple, just for the reliability.
I have a 2020 Street Triple RS and it has been flawless for over 7500 miles in put on it already! Fantastic bike but the Bluetooth module isn't the greatest but it will get better with time. The only real problem I've had is a small oil weep on the right engine case but that will be covered by warranty to fix it over the winter when I can't ride. I had a 2013 before that and it was great, one of my favorite bikes out there and all my friends that have rode it wish they haven't because now they want one lol
@@MaxRay16 So not entirely flawless then..
I gave up my r1m an bought the ktm 690 smc r massive fun every ride out and can still surprise the bigger bikes on the country roads.
I have one of these, down a tooth at the front, up 2 at the back, PCV and pipe, goes very well indeed with 73hp/53lbft.
Really? I'm afriad if I try 1000cc bike I can't go back on lower CC bikes anymore
You need both...... but my 690 is a weapon on twistys. No chance on the straight, but that’s cheating!
@@Ukmongoose3 Yep, in the end you need multiple bikes :D
Honestly, if you know how to ride a 690, you will baffle people on more powerful bikes. They are real disruptors!
Bikes, 2 lads and twisty roads life is sorted !!!!
Not to forget that awesome sounding triumph triple
The Nigel in me thinks the triumph will be more reliable as mechanically.
I’m loving the Triumph sorry guys..🇬🇧✌🏻👍🏻🏁🏁
Bc you’ve never ridden the 890R. I traded my Triumph, which I loved, for a 2021 890R. I wish I could’ve kept both, but definitely made the right decision. Best bike I’ve ever ridden, much less owned.
I’ve just ridden 890 gt and sorry but the new triple rs is goat for me rn especially in that comparison
However, it’s always personal.
The scenery and roads look epic ! The Triumph soundtrack is addictive ... oh yeah and your video is good ha ha ! Thank you gents, content over click bait any day.
P.s. Keep the Nigel description of bikes as a running joke !
Only thing that pisses me off is having to pay extra for KTM to unlock features that are already there in the bike. I’m surprised the adjustable suspension doesn’t have little KTM padlocks on them that you have to pay to be removed.
KTM stands for Keep Taking Money.
Triumph do the same thing. But they call it the "S", the "R" and the "RS".
@@brentcameron4494 That’s exactly my point, Triumph are not charging you for something already on the bike. The quick shifter and electronics are already there on the base model just locked.
@@ShezzerNator175 So how do you unlock them?
@@brentcameron4494 You pay for the “Performance package” aka plug it into a computer and it activates. I see your struggling with this one. Imagine buying a house with a room that’s completely locked. You can have the House for this much but if you want this extra room it will cost you an extra ‘x’ amount. The house already has the room so chances are you’re going to pay the ‘x’ amount regardless of how much it is. It’s a psychological sales tactic. You can’t just buy an aftermarket quick shifter, you have to buy the “package” with all the other electronic aids for a higher overall price. Triumph give you 3 options for the bike, that only come with what you pay for.
Mossy is mega. Great rider but even more amazing one-liners. More Mossy please.
I just picked up my new 2019 Street Triple RS so I guess I'm a bit of a Nigel 😂 cheers Mossy!
Have to say I definitely agree that the RS needs a better paint job, for me there's just not enough visually to differentiate between the R, the S and the RS.
Is it a UK bike or Malaysian, I personally wouldn't buy one after how they have treated the UK employees
anth lynn they have been built in Thailand for yonks
Only the fancy factory custom bikes are being built in Blighty these days. One of my pals is a design engineer at Triumph and they've been fucked since covid.
Alfred the Great like we shouldn’t count on seeing all new models? I’ve been waiting for a Speed Twin With R suspension 😆 I thought Covid would have had them working overtime at home on their computers 🤓
Street rs is my next bike for sure, might take a few years but I've loved them since the 2010 model I think it was
Same here mate!
It is definitely one of my favorite bikes that I've ever ridden. I had a 2013 Street Triple R and now have a 2020 Street Triple RS that I've put a wonderful 7500+ miles on. All my friends hate to ride it because it makes them want to get one lol
Good photography and editing - well done. Usual bollocks talked, but that's what we want.
the only channel where they will not accept "on the fence" answers, keep it up guys👌
I like both these bikes... but man the sound that triple makes is SO damn good!
Yet my heart says “buy the 890”.
Try both.
I wish there was an official way to mount those 2020 Street Triple RS headlights on my 2017 version.. The eyebrow looking leds is a big improvement!
The drls are awesome looking
Nigel here.
I'll take extra whip and two cherries on my temple.
CheeRS.
What a comment
Ridden both extensively - that refinement on the triple engine, high speed stability, exhaust bark after 8K rpm and supple ride, just all so much better. If you can have only one bike, which you will ride around town as well and not ONLY canyon carving and track racing, Triumph, for me, is hands down the better bike.
After looking at the 765 and Duke 890, what you do is buy the new Speed Triple 1200 RS.
Which is exactly why I bought mine. The things they were faulting the RS for were the exact things I WANTED and the pros they were giving to the 890 were cons to me and why I didn't buy it. Weird review.
Yeah, for me I might up-scale to the Speed Triple vs the Super Duke. Both are visual knockouts, though to me the Speed looks a bit dated. Not cool retro like say the Kawi RS, but just 90s. I still don't know if I'm buying anything, though. Gettin' up in years and down in earnings (retired).
Cinematography on this is amazing. I agree that the power these bikes make is just about perfect. There was a time where liter bikes only put down another 10-20RWHP. Roads haven't got twice as long, so something's gotta give.
Yes. Those stills, the intercuts with the goats and scenery really added artistry to this fun review. Your guy Massey is a hoot, though it took me a few minutes to "get" his (to me) accent. Fun guys I'd love to 'ave a pint with.
I bought my Street Triple new in 2009. Still love it. Might have to part company soon as health ain't what is was now i'm 61. Might be heading to a Tiger.
Try the street scrambler unless you're pretty tall.
The Triumph has the unfortunate 'issue' of having a bit too long of gearing. You two were talking about how lethargic it feels, and I have to agree, on my 2019 ST-RS it felt the same on stock gearing, it always took a bit to get up in revs. However, all of that changed when I put a 15 tooth front sprocket on it. Feels like the bike was originally designed with that sprocket in mind. Always ready to go now, no lag.
Will it affect the odo reading? What did u do to fix that?
@@heibaimao Yes, but to my knowledge only so little that it doesn't make a significant difference.
Being a Somerset boy I have been biking on that stretch of road in porlock many times , some great roads in Somerset and Dorset , another great video lads
I tested them both. The Triumph is a bit more of an all rounder, and it can sure excite when you stretch the revs and want it to. The KTM lacks when you don’t want to be ‘on it’ all the time and the looks don’t do it for me. Both great bikes, but I put my money down on the Triumph.
I thought that was my 3 month old crying while I was trying to watch this. Got up 3 times 🤣
Even though i am Austrian and this is kind of blasphemy here, i would pick the STR over the Duke any day. Love my 2010 which has already 63000km on the clock. What an awesome bike!
cheers to that kind of milage
I get what you guys are saying.
I've got a 2010 675 and it's quite snatchy and rough around the edges but I love it. It's got character (plus the twin underseat pipes sound incredible).
The 2020 one is now a super techy and refined bike which I think Triumph have done to satisfy new riders with it being predictable/ safe but still having enough oomph to keep people happy.
I love the new one but I would struggle to get rid of my 2010 for a 2020.
So good to see a father and son having a ride together and having a chat over some bikes being ridden.
Two good crashers together, was expecting a badly timed stoppie. Seriously, thank you. So good to have you back!
I died when he went "CAN YOU SHUT UP MATE?!"
Same 😂
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I need a translator for Mossy
the KTM might be 10k at the moment, KTM winter sales will be sub 9k in 2021. So when at 1k less than the Triumph the KTM is the better buy.
Smashing triple vs Smashing Twin. Comes down to how you like your power delivered.
The quality has gone up another level on this one. Well done lads. I'd take the Triumph ;)
Awesome comparison of the two bikes. Mossy is quite the character and adds a good vibe with his sense of humor and expertise that in no way sound pretentious. Question though, were the goats saying " Al" during the interview? :) Always great stuff from 44T! Cheers from the US!
Last year I had a test ride with Duke790R and it didn't feel like a well put bike. The engine was too aggressive, whenever you touch the throttle it was pulling right away but also when you leave the throttle engine compression making it feel like you are hard breaking all the time. The throttle was like an ON/OFF button which you definitely don't want it when you are cornering.
Even though I raced motocross and supermoto which I enjoyed that torque of a 1 cylinder, I didn't like the Duke as a street naked. I think KTM still has this DNA of a motocross bike which is more like boxing where it focuses on explosive power delivery. I think road racing and street performance is more like ballet. It's more about smooth movement and precision. That's why I bought Street Triple S last year and I love that machine a lot. The powerband is smooth in every rev, it sounds amazing, corners amazing, material quality amazing and most importantly it's not a machine constantly wants to kill you, its a machine cooperates with you to go further faster.
Now things are opening up it's about time you two took these bikes on to the track and then have a sit down afterwards and have another great discussion and hopefully no sheep taking the limelight from your discussion 👍
Always forget Al lives just up the road from me. It’s always fun seeing some of my local roads on your videos!
Great vid & review, best I've seen of these two so far. I prefer the KTM at face value but I wonder if it's all or nothing full on personality would get a bit wearing after a while where as the Triumph is a bit more Jekyll & Hyde & can be both civilised or a hooligan if you want too.
I got lent a street triple when my Panigale was in for warranty work (shock and horror). Great little bikes. Actually enjoyed riding on the road for once
They are “little” if you are a full size person.
Top video lads - awesome review, locations, editing & banter (and of course Mossy on top form)!!! 👍👊
Clicked the link because I saw the thumbnail and thought "I'm *sure* that's Porlock Weir..." Was not disappointed! Been a longtime wathcer of your content gents, thanks for the review (and the unseasonably late comment...!)
Interesting review, no KTM dealer of note near me, they’re kind of a stand in a corner shared with Aprillia and my last KTM needed a lot of parts!
Stunning scenery in this video, boys. Whoever was in charge of setting up the static shots did a great job with the locations. Ace video, as always.
Its hard to choose. Pretty sure both bikes are great. However i feel like the striple *R* is the bike to get.... Unless you are a very hardcore rider or doing a lot of trackriding the fully adjustable Showas will be more than enough... I have ridden multiple bikes and i could not care less for a lack of tft dash...you also get the buttery smooth QS up/down which in my way works better than the one on KTMs. And all this for 8900. A simple exhaust mod will get you back the few ponnies missing from factory... Only my thoughts .. nice review!
Seems like everyone adores the KTMs when they test them, but nobody actually buys one.
The 790 Duke, 890R Duke and 790 Adventure R in my garage say otherwise.
According to sales numbers KTM is the biggest European motorcycle maker....just behind the Japanese Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha,
@@RealOrbit-Australia I meant the testers, every video I see they say how amazing the machine is...and then they go and buy something else. Maybe it's a reliability thing. I'd have one in a heartbeat!
It’s not an attractive bike
@44teeth Very interesting and informative review of the two! I'd love to give the KTM a try now due to your video, just to see what exactly is it that I'm missing out on! I always hear people comparing these two bikes but definitely looks like they have their own personalities.
You mentioned "too refined" on the Triumph. That's literally my only big complaint about my 2016 Speed Triple R. Has lots of good power, but it's never scary. Even when working the throttle hard, you know exactly what it's going to do. I wish it had that scary, unhinged feeling when you really get at it.
I loved my 2014 Daytona 675r but I felt the same way. The mt09 ruined a lot of bike for me for this very reason.
The Triumph may have more peak power but the KTM has much more power and torque between 3500 and 10,000RPM. That's were we spent 95% of our riding time.
Couldn't agree more and that's exactly why I bought the 790 over the RS and just traded up to an 890r for even more smiles everytime I twist the throttle. 😊😊😊
Triumph always looks and feels like premium in everything from top end components to almost artistic finish. Ktm on the other hand still looks like budget bike. I owned triple 765 R so yeh I’m biased but whatever. I could recommend that bike all day over and over and over again without hesitation..
Saw you two heading out through Keynsham the other morning whikst walking back from the school run. Knew this vid was coming and it proper got me excited!!! Solid work. Reckon I'd have the KTM for a weekend fun bike! Keep up the awesome content lads! 😎👍
I sold my Street Triple R 765 after a year, although incredible, it was almost too refined for a naked. Went back to a Hypermotard 1100s.
I would have loved a refined motorcycle.
Have fun tho
Hey, KTM? 890 SM R and 1290 SM R. Do it. We're waiting.
there were some pics of a LC8c Supermoto prototype. The 1290 in a tall bike with long suspension travel would be rather absurd.
Love this review, you guys have made up my mind. Heard nothing but great reviews about this KTM. Cheers lads
That's background @5:40 is ridiculously beautiful. Lucky fellas. Good review. Love both bikes.
Fagan looks like a baby of Statham and Keith Flint now. Epic.
So a comfy seat and a fly screen would have the KTM sorted. It beggars belief that these can’t be provided within a price tag over ten grand. Great honest review as ever chaps.
Cracking bikes!
Would love to see the Duke 890 Vs Hypermotard 950.
Want to take one of those bikes to the picos. Will sacrifice touring ability for fun once there.
Thoughts?...
I would also like to see compare of the Hyper and 890
Exactly, killing myself over which one to get.Would love to hear some insights on which is more un-nigel-y🤔😂
@@armankiarmankii there is on Bike World
Awesome video as always. I'd love to know how the MT-09SP fits in with these two
2021 Gets a bump of ~5 hp and ~4 torque, from 847cc to 890cc. Loses 6 pounds, gains a PILE of upgrades across the board. It's practically a new machine from the ground up.
If you love it's looks( I'm not quite liking it),it is a huge technical improvement over the predecessor.it is on par with the st rs 765 now.
Are they the same price though? Don’t you still have to pay KTM to unlock everything electronically and let you have a quick shifter? Once you’ve gone through all that, the Triumph looks better value to me 👍
Duke 790 is the better option instead of a 890, bolt on some better forks, power commander and different brakes and you'll have a 790r with all the options a 890 doesn't have stock
Ian Chambers so the KTM base price is cheaper than the Triumph. As you said, it doesn’t include a quick shifter or the 5 riding modes. When you add the Tech Pack, you get all those features but it costs around $800. For this comparison, I’m pretty sure they opted for the extras to make it fair.
@@TheUberdude14 or just buy an 890 did you actually watch this?
Fynn825 The Triumph works out much cheaper here in the UK when you look into it.....
Why spend on 790 if that was your plan in the 1st place lol just get 890. You cannot easily upgrade the engine .
Having owned both, I'd take the 890R every time.
One thing they didn't touch on is fuel economy. I don't buy a bike for it & don't really care, but the difference between these is massive. I got no lower than 59/60mpg out of my 890R, no matter how I rode it (saw 80+ on more than one occasion on steady 70mph motorway runs). The Triumph averages mid-high 40s & the best I've ever seen is 55mpg on a steady motorway run. An odd, unexpected benefit of the KTM...
I'm in a predicament right now... I want a middleweight off-road adv, and a sporty naked... and the 890 is the best in both categories.. what do I do buy 2 890s?? Lol. I almost want to get the 765rs just to not have 2 of the same
Get 790 Duke and 890 adventure
Triumphs have actually started to make bikes that are too good ?
Cool i will take that.
The styling on the KTM is hookey at best
Up close the KTM does look a bit cheep doesn’t it.
@@corposh yeah definitely.
As always looks are subjective i just think the KTM looks terrible
@@MrMinimanmatt The KTM just too shouty for my taste, in fact I think the new headlights on the triple are a bit, dare I say, vulgar as well. I do like the looks of the 1290 black/orange scheme. But wallet says no...
@@steveman1982 100% agree. The engine in the 1290 is just glorious.
Ktm do know how to make a characterful engine
that trumpet sounds epic man. imagine it with a straight through pipe music !
Does the KTM come stock with the exclamination mark on the dash? :D
I was born in Somerset and it's nice, But Devon, Devon is Heaven. Loving seeing you back out and about, watching from my home in Malaysia.
I really want to buy an 890R, but I just can't do it until KTM fixes their electronics issues. All the modes and settings should be saved when turning the bike off and on, and I don't want to see all the damn dash faults, check engine lights, etc. Until they get that sorted, I can't justify owning one. It's such a bummer because it looks like an amazing street bike.
Think Choice would also come to aesthetics. KTM's looks can be divisive (I like them, though I think the Street Triple is as good looking in its own way). Engine characteristics matter too. If you're used to dirt bikes, supermotos, and twins cyls in general, the KTM is an engine you'll be familiar with, having lots of torque all the way from the bottom, while the 3 cyl engine of the Triumph is a bit more like a supersport 600cc bike. I mostly owned ZX-6R and one R6 most my life, and a 2014 Street Tripe R, which was similar in a way to thZX-6R/R6. KTMs are different creatures, though. If It was my money (and it is right now, since ssaid Street Triple got ran over by a truck in a parking lot =( ) the 890 Duke R is what I may get (While I would not and did not get the 790 DUke in the past)
I do love a sweet Sherry 😂
Wow, what good content. Crispy quality, straight forward information and wonderful hosts. Cheers from the US.
I think it'd be interesting to compare the specifications of the ktm890 and an original 916 Ducati. I know things move on over the years, but it would give you an idea of just how lively that ktm is.
If they made an RC390-style sportsbike, it'd be a heck of a track day weapon. Im sure it'd be handy enough as-is.
Without understanding all the pommy slang, I have no fucking clue what I just watched! 😂
Triples are magic - Kawi S & H, MVs, some Yamahas but the Triumphs!!! I've owned a '98 T595, 2014 Street Triple (sounds like a weed-eater) and an '01 Speed Triple. The Triumph 955 (any variant) easily becomes The World's Best Motorcycle®
Usual great vid, Mr Mossy definitely has a way with the words 😊 i have the gt and the ktm's sure have character.
Could we have Mossy on all the time?
Heart = KTM Head = Truimph.
Wallet = Bicycle
9/10 would agree to this haha
Pretty much and I don't ride motorcycles because I think it's a smart choice. I do it because I love it. Which is why the KTM is much more appealing. Though I bought a MT-09 back in 2017 and put fully adjustable Öhlins front and back.
@Kattrap Yes and Yes
GOD the sound of that triple! Like a Moto2 bike (drool)
About the Triple not steering as quickly, can't you just drop the triple clamps down the forks to the maximum rake angle? Should be a simple fix and make a big difference.
This is the question everyone has been asking! This middle/upper weight naked conversation is really going to get interesting once the 660 Tuono rolls around too.
Side note; I have noticed the resale price of the 790's dropping quite quickly after launch (if one cares about such things) to the point where you can get a sub 5000 mile 690 for less than 6 grand.. whereas a comparable ST clears 7 grand on autotrader regularly. Just a passing thought.
As the Tuono came out, I can confidently tell you that it doesn't hold a candle to either of those 2
21:36 - what happened there?
Pretending to crash
Yeah I think they were being silly. I've done that before when bored on a ride.
Haha, he entered the frame completely stable... Yeah that's some Statham level acting.
One his suspender straps came loose and twanged his bollocks?
Adjusting his love eggs lol
Sold me on the KTM , love the banter
I love the old man, keep him coming back
Most of the video is about the ktm..... i know why... i ride one. Traded in my 675r to get the 890r. Cant wait for my first trackday
This bike reminded me of my KTM 500cc enduro bike with supermoto slics and stiffened suspension. Now, I do like KTMs, but I'm not a KTM fan boy. Not a huge fan of the look of 99 DUke and 1390 Super duke (mostly the headlamp, looks as if somebody broke the lense on the gen3 Super Duke). I've owned a crapload of Kawasakis (owned 8 of them over past 25 years) and I had two KTMs recently, (though my first bike was the 1994 KTM Duke I). Lately, the Kawis lost their road confort (well, as far as supersport anyhow) and became more track bikes. the Z900 is a good bike, often overlooked, but frankly, I do love this new KTMs as of late. all the stuff you get on them, like cruise control, etc.
Reviews getting better. Great work guys !
The ST still has the same problem it had 10 years ago: that light/instrument cluster that sticks wayyyyy too far out in front and looks stupid from the side.
You will only ever see it from the rear
Triumph should bring scorched yellow back
My Mrs had one in Imperial Purple, she says it was the best colour ever. Triumph have gone boring with the colours
I'd like to add Roulette green.
I wonder how many leaks has the 890R developed during the 2 weeks...
Sorry but the triumph has it on looks over the KTM. But I'd probably buy the KTM for a smile on my face riding it? Tough one to pick between the two of them. Good head 2 head by 44 teeth, thanks guys. Stay safe everybody 😃👍
These guys are great. Definitely subscribing. Can’t wait to watch more videos from this channel.
I take the Nigel, thank you very much.
Now I want a 890... cheers lads! Tossers! On a positive note... what a back drop for your chat about the bikes! #scenic
I love liter bikes because I'm a lazy shifter and rely on torque to track out of a corner rather than finesse and minding my RPM's.
Currently there's this anti motorcycle media campaign thing in Germany and im thinking. No you liars. They ain't revving high full throttle. Literally doesnt work on a150+hp bike. Fuck first gear ends 140kmh. No they were not in high revs.
Cracking review, as always. Cheers!
Iv always liked ktms but also always felt that they'd let you down. Even in this video with sub 500 miles it had issues.
Been riding my 1290 Duke R hard for 3000 miles and no issues. Not sure the fear is warranted anymore - remember all the clutch issues with 929s? Or oil burning of 1000RRs? Or how about R1 throttle position sensors in 2004-2005?
@@Cataclysm1
Sure other brands have problems to but if you go read the KTM forums you will see that there are far more issues reported compared to most competitors.
That KTM sounds so uninspiring and shite when it's turned on. Triumph sounds allot better for me.
Yup the stock exhaust is crap, first thing i replaced on my 790
KTM is for lumberjacks...