MLB has a muddy balls problem, a breakdown
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That layover was so sick. Makes you realize batters usually have no idea what's coming their way
Wild that DMo actually took on that pitch lmao
Might have recognized the spin
@@ApexATL definitely just goes to show how insane the mind games are between pitcher and batter at the mlb level
"Pools are also good for holding water"
Those pitches are nasty.
Rubbing the balls for the prescribed 30 seconds could result in wildly different results depending on the technique and enthusiasm of the person rubbing the balls.
yeah gotta rub the ball with enthusiasm
The South Park pfp with this comment really makes it lol
@@bigasstrout facts
I do love the complete lack of context contained in that sentence.
That’s what she said
That quick improvisation at the 2min mark to show us viewers the similarities in the pitcher's pitches was next level big jimmay! Great behind the scenes work 💪
Yes!!!
Awesome breakdown. Also, the batter basically has 0.4 seconds to decide if he’s gonna swing. Amazing athletes
@@johnbeckerle6260 what are you talking about? Confused. Surely, you’re not talking about original poster complimenting his breakdown of pitches?
So putting up an overlay, which is a very common thing, is "next level" for you? And you called him "jimmay"? You sound like you're in your 50s and just figured out there's more to the internet than just facebook so now you're trying to sound cool like you're young again.
Big Jimmay! I know whose balls you're rubbing down right now.
For those that havent played baseball, or maybe werent a pitcher:
"Pearls" are what we call fresh, new baseballs. There's almost a thin layer of wax or something similar on brand new baseballs that give them a really slick feel and make them almost impossible to grip naturally. Thats how Tepera can tell instantly that the balls weren't rubbed down. It's actually a really big deal, and I've likened it to trying to throw a cue ball (pool/billiards) when the balls aren't prepped before being brought into the game. It's also not really something Tepera can fix while already on the mound, by the time it gets to the pitcher its too late.
To me it's dried out, almost certainly why the humidor is recommended. The slick feeling as I understand it comes from the surface of the baseball drying out the fingertips at the point of contact which means you lose that feeling of grip.
I would love to know why any of this is an issue in the first place. Just get rawlings to make a ball that is good for for professional baseball pitchers. I'm sure that could be done in a way that doesn't change the physics of the ball in a way that's statistically significant. Not like they care about that anyways.
@@justinskywalker It is one of those things that if it was easy and inexpensive to fix, they would have done it already.
Can't pitchers request a new ball?
@@KaitouKaiju That's the point of the entire video, lol. The pitcher requested new balls but each were fresh. The ump let him know those were all he had.
The behind-the-scenes breakdown is the perfect example of why I gave up playing baseball after 8th grade. Once pitchers started learning how to throw breaking balls, it was game over for me.
I loved it. Curveballs are the easiest thing to hit and hit deep.
You need the power of voodoo. Although it didn't help Pedro Cerrano.
I can agree, except I would sit back waiting for the curve instead of waiting for the fast ball due to shitty bat speed. I would have much rather chilled at first base with my shot arm than hitting any day.
I was a MLB batboy for three years in the 80s and one of my responsibilities was to prep the game balls. It was a lot less structured back then but you did hear from pitchers about what they liked/didn't. I did a dozen dozen at the beginning of every homestand and between 3-6 more per game depending on how many got burned in the previous game. We used the same ball bag and didn't toss any out until the end of the homestand at which point they went to the BP and cage bags. We used a specific kind of mud but I can't tell you where it was sourced. The bottom of the bag was the same balls at the end of the homestand that went in at the start if it. Only once did I ever come close to running out of prepped balls. I was down to about a half dozen in the bag and 5-6 in the umps pouch in the bottom of the 9th. I have never before and never since rooted for my team to make three quick outs. But I did that inning. At the end of the game, the balls are stored in the umpires locker room. When I brought the bag in immediately after the game, the HP ump tossed his pouch balls in the bag and saw how close we came to to running out. He snapped a look at me and was ready to tear me a new one but stopped. (I was 15). I think he could tell by the expression on my face I knew and didn't need to be told anything. It never happened again.
Cool story thanks for sharing! A dozen dozen (144) is called a gross and a grocery store is called that because you used to be able to buy eggs by the gross
Sounds like a job for someone they should entrust to other than someone who's only 15 years old and getting paid in peanuts.
I always thought the maintenance of balls and other equipment should have been....well...the equipment manager's job.
I always thought the bat boy was just some random ass kid from a group of kids they would occasionally rotate all season as an honorary position just to collect the bats thrown on the ground by the players.
MLB and their players, umpires, and coaching staff making far too much money to be employing underage wage slaves for something that approximates actual real impactful work.
Kinda wild they were letting teams do it however they wanted until recently.
@@Nihilianth it's much more like that today. This was in the early 80s.
@@calemorgan8763 ehh not quite, "grocery" comes to english from french grossier (wholesaler), which comes from latin grossus. Grossus is also the origin of gross meaning 144, but they developed in parallel rather than one from the other
i love how he turned into pitching ninja for a minute 😂
Jomboy has been overlaying pitches for years
@@jeremydyar7566 relax lol noones talking bad about jomboy 😆 u people r so sensitive n defensive its pathetic
@@louiet2679 how is that sensitive?
@@AceofYankees 🤫 ur too slow to understand anything so dont worry about it
@@AceofYankees Could it be the instant jump to 'defend' when no insult or criticism was leveled in the OP? Think that might have something to do with it?
Jomboy, I used to be a batboy for the Vermont Lake Monsters when they were the Oakland A's short season affiliate. The umpires were tasked with rubbing 6 dozen baseballs per game which usually lasted about 6 innings, and the clubhouse rubbed another 5 dozen per game, which usually had to go through a through review process by that day's starting pitcher. We stored game day balls in a boiler room in a ball bag which helped keep them fresh. Happy to discuss further!
Hope more people speak up if they have more anedotes about ball rubbing. Thanks for sharing! I played baseball in youth had no idea this was a thing at all.
Completely unrelated to baseball, but I've been thinking of moving up to Burlington if my work allows it. How did you like the area?
@@ZerodepthFTR i ball rub all the time
@@ZerodepthFTR Yeah I got some ball rubbing stories for you.
I'm assuming at those SS games, fans got to keep the balls? I've attended my fair share of AZL Rookie League games and they usually have uniformed players from the home team (who have the day off) go and collect all foul balls hit out of play.
You could see right from the beginning those balls weren’t rubbed up. They were way too white. They honestly look like they had just been taken out of the box. The balls usually look a litte dirty cause of the mud but those looked like brand new, untouched baseballs
I am not a huge baseball guy, so I don’t know the intricacies of baseball preparation, but those balls were so damn white it literally caught my eye in the first few moments of the video.
Maybe they ran out of mud balls by the 8th inning?
@@davruck1 Than shouldn't they take a minute to throw them in the dirt and roll the around a bit? Obviously that isn't ideal, but it would be better than using brand new balls.
@@3xceIIent yeah. they should have permanent reserve balls that get mudded but dont get used unless its an emergency. keep like 3 dozen in the possesion of the umpire crew instead of making teams resonsible for extras. the reserve stash should only be refreshed and used whan necessary
@@davruck1 could have grabbed the wrong box too.
From experience, the MLB has their own people inspect every single game ball hours before the game and there is a strict chain of custody from the second the balls are inspected to the umps receiving them. Any balls with too much or too little mud is rejected. It is a standardized process across the league and the amount of mud on each batch of balls is recorded with pictures of a random sample and sent to NY each game. The fact that these balls are so white is a mistake on the part of MLB personnel not the teams.
Bingo! The umpires could also pull these balls from service and send them to New York for analysis. Teams get fined over this shit.
@@sethcunningham2138 Indeed. The MLB has a more than a few procedural rules that are...interesting. As far as the balls go, the most common infraction by the team in my experience was the clubhouse managers not having the balls ready to be inspected at exactly 3 hours prior to first pitch.
Or Tepera is being a toddler because he had a bad start and the balls were fine. One is an issue with one person, the other is a massive systematic failure of like dozens of people. Occam's razor.
@@HeelBJC The balls are clearly not rubbed
@@HeelBJC Dozens of people? Gimme a break. One bored dude glanced over 10 dozen balls for the 90th straight day. And don't forget that the balls are rubbed up so the pitcher can grip them. If you want to know if they are properly conditioned, ask a pitcher.
This would be a perfect video for a manscaped sponsor
i instantly thought the intro was a buildup for a manscaped ad lmfao
Is this jomboys first miss? 🧐
I was thinking this to lol
Muddy balls🥴
@hope L
Jomboy too generous with these 'Behind-The-Scene' layovers. Such a thing of beauty.
That behind the scenes part was pretty cool
That's adobe premiere lol
@@goofball1_134 still cool though.
@@goofball1_134 still cool though.
@@goofball1_134 still cool though
Seems kind of odd that nobody has developed an automated way of applying mud to a baseball. Some machine that could be in each clubhouse that would apply the standard mud texture to each ball.
Sounds like the same argument for balls and strikes
Cause the machine would end up being Chinese. They’re trying to take America out of America.
Angel Hernandez rubbed gloriously with the secret mud. You’re welcome.
True but also, since the baseballs are manufactured, wouldn't it make more sense to use a ball that comes out of the factory ready to go? So many things about baseball are extremely dated. I hope someone starts a pro Wiffleball or pro Blitzball league. Really, if they had plastic when baseball was invented then they probably would have invented something a lot more like Wiffleball.
You’d think the pro baseball manufacturer would create that texture themselves. Otherwise, their product is useless.
Speaking of the wedding ring he was wearing, apparently that is not allowed. Graham Ashcraft was pitching with a wedding band on his GLOVE HAND, and the umpire made him remove it. MLB needs to be more consistent with this stuff.
In Jim Bouton's book Ball Four, he talks about how the Yankee's catcher Elston Howard would sharpen the inside of his shin guard, and whack the ball against it before throwing it back to the pitcher. This would cause a nice cut on the ball, and it would do crazy things. This was 60 years ago.
but if the ring is in his gloved hand how does it have any effect on the way the game is played by anyone including the pitcher? is it more of a safety thing that they have a “no rings” rule in place?
Maybe it has something to do with pitchers rubbing the ball. They always take off the glove and I could see an argument being made a wedding ring could possibly make extra scratches in a ball for a pitcher to grip.
I spent an afternoon at the batting cages and had my wedding ring on the whole time, and got a gnarly blood blister on my finger from it.
You can wear thirty chains but no rings? Makes sense lol
That layover is amazing. It shows clearly how the effect arrives in the last 5-10 feet before plate. Great video man!
Id love to see that stacking thing with knuckleballs or maddux
Jomboy with the Adobe Premiere tips along with a breakdown, what a pro.
The issue with Tepera being a drama queen is situations like this, where he's probably right, but you just end up writing it off as drama queen stuff.
He’s a clown. Salty cuz he got his shit smashed into the corner.
the astros still making him eat his words. Walked off on him twice this year already!! Big mouth
@@tpsin713 *s can’t win the big one the right way haha lost a few WS already when they’re not using technology.
@@miguelsanchez2662 no one has gone back to back in the new era weirdo. Beat ur dodgers at ur place 3 games atleast 17 other teams doing same shit. cry moar
Tapera dont give a fuck man. he'll run his mouth. Always has but it's usually justified. we were high school teammates and it hurt a little bit when my Stros made him eat his words but kinda not really🤣 He just hates losing trust me. sorry Ryan hope u dont read this!
“That was worthwhile” yes it was jimmy
You should show more pitches like that 100%. Definitely shows the skill of the pitcher in an insanely precise way. It is easier to compare all pitchers in general that way too by seeing their own personal ball game all in one throw.
That last minute decision to do the pitch comparison on the fly could've been the whole video, great stuff.
It's so odd that baseball relies so heavily not just on getting mud on the balls, but getting **specific** mud from a **secret spot** somewhere in New Jersey to keep the league standardized. What a sport.
Truly baseball is the ultimate backyard game.
Was a MLB stat nerd growing up. Couldn't watch enough baseball any level. Then I just got bored 10+ years ago. You're pulling me back. Thanks!
Same
Same also.
Videos like this are why I love Jomboy's channel, deciding to go back to edit midway through the voiceover, same with the facecam shenanigans
Was a clubbie for the home side of an mlb team for a few seasons (we had separate home and away clubbies), and it was our job to mud the balls before the game. This was before the new rules were in place. We probably did about 20 boxes at a time so they lasted a few games. Our pitchers often had input on how they wanted the balls mudded that we definitely obliged, some didn't care but others were very particular and would always drop in when we were doing it to give feedback.
One guy always said "i want em black" which we always had issues with because he wasn't happy until there was a solid layer of crust on the balls, which the umpires wouldnt be happy about come game time when we filled their pouches.
Didn't the umpires muddy the baseballs at one time?
@@echobase1648 I can't speak for all of the past, but during the mid 2000's when I was there, it was solely our responsibility (the clubbies) and nobody had any influence on the process aside from our pitchers. I remember a couple times the umps requested a small batch be brought to the umpire room for inspection but it wasn't very often. It didn't feel like anyone was trying to regulate it, that's for sure lol.
love the on the fly editing
The editing on the fly was so fun I love how Jomboy is always doing something different.
I used to work for a AA professional team, I was
responsible for “muddying” all the game balls before hand. I believe it was special mud from the Nile River. Seriously. Kinda cool
Edit: yes, I’d have pitchers come to me and tell me what balls to put in the game bag ball sack. (Yes I said ball sack)
Some would have deeper laces for more break etc.
It’s from South NJ
@@nxstng7325is what they want u to think
I loved being able to see Jomboy’s thoughtprocess through editing. From the overlay to the math on how many baseballs. Real as it gets
You can easily cut that process down to 20 to 30 minutes by using two or three people. But there's nothing wrong with having one guy spend an hour rubbing up baseballs
even though youre a NYY fanboy, i give you props for your breakdowns and editing skills man. that fastball slider comparison was def cool to watch you edit in realtime. bravo
I didn't know this was going on. MLB having a lot of weird problems
Not really that weird considering it's MLB. MLB could fuck up a wet dream.
I recall in the 70's and 80's, the average was 60 balls a game. Balls stayed in the game longer back then. Now most balls batted foul are taken out of the game, usually tossed in the stands to the fans. The 3rd out of the inning if its a fly ball to the outfield is also usually also tossed into the stands. So this will continue to be a problem unless they have a process to ensure every ball put in a game is thoroughly inspected beforehand.
I wouldn’t doubt it’s something excessive like, if the ball touches a bat, the ground, or if the pitcher simply doesn’t like it, balls get tossed away
"unwritten rules are stupid"
Sees this video:
"written rules are also stupid"
When I lived in Seattle I was friends with the guy that muddied the baseballs. He was the concierge to the umpires. He did their laundry and told them where they could get the food they wanted or whatever they asked for. During the game he’d go into the crowd and give gifts to special kids and welcome them. He did other things too. Every summer when my parents would visit he’d get us seats right behind home plate that only the umpires and players families could get.
Don’t care
@@thechovanone no one cares if you care or not.
@@craigcampbell1843 F that dude. Thank you for sharing.
@@craigcampbell1843 ^fr fuck that guy cool story
Does anyone remember that episode of Dirty Jobs where Mike visited the guy who collects and supplies all the mud for MLB balls?
The mud comes from a 'secret location' on Rancocas Creek in southern New Jersey, not far from where I went to high school...
@@AndrewAMartin spoiler alert. it's just well branded mud
@@AndrewAMartin its on public land, thats why its a secret... its kind of hilarious that a couple dudes stealing mud from the local creekbed have become so ingrained the sport of baseball
Such a great show
@@jonokiller imagine convincing the MLB you have superior mud and that they need to pay you for your special mud and only your special mud should be allowed.... respect the hustle
Im surprised the process of properly Muddying baseballs, hasn’t been addressed earlier in the MLB as something to make more consistent that’s extremely integral to the game with wild inconsistencies for years.
I was a batboy for the Tacoma Rainiers, Seattle Mariners AAA team in 2007-09 while in high school, and home and away ball boys would show up to the field (Cheney Stadium) 4 hours prior to the game to do our pregame duties of which was running down 12 dozen baseballs every day, which we did in “the hole” a under the stadium seating, on the downslope, in a large storage type room. We’d store them in the Rawlings boxes then transfer to the ball bucket that Fit a good size amount for the game. The mud used was a specific mud that all the teams used, which is Mississippi Mud, and I’m Fairly certain has been used for a very long time and is consistent in the type of fine grit sandy mud that would lightly scuff off the slickness of the baseball converting it out of the pearl state. When we’d apply the mud we’d open the jar and mix a small cup full with large dollop with a little water to make a thinned out slurry. Definitely not an exact science. Then I’d apply a little with dipping my thumb pad into the mud and onto the bottom of the horseshoe, in a circular motion then rub it in by swiping it up the ball to apply it consistently, and continue to do the same in segments all around the ball, careful to not get them in the seams. You’d get really good and consistent with it after running down thousands of balls. But consistency is key.
So to not see a potential irregularity of the process of muddying balls up, is surprising, I’m glad they’re ironing it out now developing a process league wide.
One of the best jobs I’ve ever had by the way. Watch night games from the best seat in the house on a bucket, spittin seeds and slugging Gatorade’s, handing balls of to the blue when he’s signal over with his hands the number of balls he needed. I didn’t know about red man at that time, that woulda been real nice.
I worked the same job for the Indians AAA. Super fun stuff. Best part was hanging with pros all day before the game and I even have some buddies who are still good friends with zack plesak of the guardians because they were ball boys for him in AAA. Couldn’t think of a better first job
Doing the layover of the pitches live was phenomenal. More of that.
Less of that please
Check out Pitching Ninja if you like pitch overlays. He does a quick breakdown on almost all starters and relievers every day.
Watch more baseball tonight. 🤷🏻♂
"It ain't new"
Maybe on JomBoy?
He does it fairly often pretty sure.
Most informative video I’ve seen in some time. Thank you for explaining the ball rubdown. Your quick videos sidebar was wizard. Pitchers are magicians. Keep doing your thang! Thx
You're the GOAT Jomboy, never change!!
Thank you for giving us a little inside look at what you go through to give us the amazing content you provide. Love you Jomboy
I am surprised, and didn't know pitchers are allowed to pitch with rings (wedding rings or otherwise). Seems like that would go against the standards of not roughing up the balls too much.
It's on the glove hand so maybe that's why? Though you are right that it could be used that way
Back in the day there was a lefty pitcher (forgot his name) who used to scratch up the ball to get a better grip on it and got suspended for it. Most of the guys I see nowadays pitch with silicon rings.
@@catman-du8927 do left handed people wear their wedding rings on their right hands? I've honestly never thought about it.
@@falcon1378 there was a pitcher that has sandpaper in his pocket and would sand every ball down a bit
@@mastod0n1 most of the guys I know that are left handed do. Idk, if I were to get married I’d wear it on my left hand since I literally wear like 4-6 rings on my hands already.
A+ on the improv editing jomboy! Another reason I love this channel is the geek out over the intricacies of baseball
Jomboy has pulled it off yet again…
Loved that edit of you placing those two pitches together. The bts was cool.
really appreciate you getting to the nitty gritty problems with the mlb. more exposure means a better game in the long term. thanks jomboy
the fact you did the overlay so quick you got talent bro and passion i love it jommmy!
I never fail to learn something when watching a Jomboy video. My son caught a flyball at a game and it had a nice muddy sheen to it, and certainly not a pearl.
5:01. And to think, 50 years ago, my friends and I used the same baseball, from one game to the next, *for years*.
Love the vids jomboy you should do a video of the weirdest rules and a play that uses each of them just an idea love the vids
Fun fact: all mud they rub on the balls comes from one family run company that dredges it from the Delaware river. It’s also like total worth $200 total a year.
Only $200? Did you leave out a few digits? 😁😁😁
He had too after that freak farm accident…
I really liked seeing how you edit, your editing is always something I appreciate about your videos!
not only is this man teaching everyone how to watch and love baseball, but we’re also getting a free editing lesson?! Womboy Wedia
Jomboy INCREDIBLE edit on this one. Loved the overlay. So frickin cool.
A number of years ago Mike Rowe did a segment on
“Dirty Jobs” about the people who collected all the “special mud” to mud up all the MLB balls with, along with the process of going it. Apparently the mud is very special and the location is kept a secret. Maybe MLB no longer used this mud and process
Its New Jersey side of the Delaware river. Surprisingly enough there is an argument that it is illegal because it contains a quartz like mineral and the guy that sells it collects it on public land in which he does not own the mineral rights.
I thought it was the Rancocas creek
This was like the closest jomboy video to a stream we'll get 😂 so much behind the scenes, calculator work, love it
I appreciate Jomboy. However my love for baseball has waned considerably since last year. I’m an A’s fan. The way they do business is just to shit on the fans. They get us in that shitty ass stadium, get great players, don’t pay them, then ship them off once it’s time to pay. You can never buy a jersey because they’ll be gone as soon as they get good. Now they’re the worst team in baseball, stadium staff at the coliseum seems hellbent on making the fan experience terrible or uncomfortable, the owner could care less about fans or rings, and MLB baseball is only too happy to make sure them leaving Oakland after 55 years is all but certain. MLB is dying these days and they’re willing to waive a billion dollar relocation fee just so the team is worth a shit. Oakland A’s are the last dive bar in baseball. Maybe if the warriors owner could buy the A’s. That would be great, probably the only one that can turn it around. Sorry for the rant, nice video jom. 👍🏻
I feel for you John, as a Mariners fan, it hurts to see the A's ownership purposely shitting the bed. I hope the team never relocates. It still hurts to think about the Sonics leaving Seattle.
It’s impossibly hard to watch what the A’s ownership is doing to that team. I’m from the north bay and always enjoyed going to the coliseum because it was so much closer and cheaper than pacbell or candlestick, it’s not even that anymore, even if it was cheaper I still wouldn’t go to watch that product. The Warriors and Raiders had similar situations and had to leave Oakland to make it happen but once the A’s leave Oakland professional sports are finished in that city.
MLB is shortsighted and myopic. They don't care one bit about the future of baseball, only milking the fans right now. The only baseball I watch now is Jomboy, and I was a Yankee fan. I heard they're in first place. Big deal. Baseball will begin contraction in about 20 years, and Oakland will be one of the first teams to close shop. Oh, and as bad as MLB is, the player's union is every bit as culpable in the eventual death of baseball as a national game. I think it will eventually contract to an East Coast regional sport as it was a hundred years ago.
I'm with you. My love for it has greatly waned. My kids don't even care about the MLB. They play baseball and all, but don't pay any attention to the MLB like I did when I was kid. The whole experience of going to the games stinks.
This was a fantastic breakdown of the new guidelines and such. Loved the on the fly math to figure out how long it takes per game. Also the impromptu overlay in Premiere was fantastic.
Get a room.
@@12rwoody I'm in a room
I'm surprised Umpire didn't throw him out. Good job blue! It's a low bar but we have all seen guys get tossed for less.
Umpire prolly knew the balls sucked. But nothing he could do. Was the balls they were given.
Cool editing and showing us in-depth the ball movements! Thanks
I don't even like sports. I just like watching you for you awesome commentary, breakdowns, and technical stuff like comparing those 2 pitches. Keep up the good work!
Jimmy love the video dude always been fascinated and loved your editing style glad you gave us a look at it
I've never had this thought but I wonder if the MLB would do this now that they're more accepting of some things. At the start of every half inning the ump gives the pitcher a clean new ball and the pitcher has one of those small cannisters of ball mud he can use as little or as much of to get the ball prepped to his liking. All totally above the board, MLB knows precisely what's going on the ball BUT the pitcher gets to use the mud to their preference. Seems legit.
One ball, lol. Second clearly super muddy, and leave some mud on it. Bring some goggles catcher.
The umpires used to do it, & it was supposed to be Delaware river mud. Back in the day.
Jake “Muddy Balls” Storiale
That layover shows you why so many Teams are now using pitch machines that mimic any pitchers' spin rate, break angle, and release point. A quick BP before the game with that can tweak player's bat path ever-so-slightly to an angle that has a better chance of covering both pitches.
Of course, it is a built in "times through the order" practice.
my uncle lived right down the road from where the special "MLB Baseball Mud" is collected, or at least where they had been collecting it for years, my uncle died like 10 years ago so I don't know if they still do
Delaware River mud 😉
@@edhartman6891 More specifically, Rancocas Creek mud (which empties into the Delaware River). I went to high school not far from there, but never knew about the mud until later.
@@AndrewAMartin Close to the Tacony bridge ?
You can buy some for yourself. Lena Blackburne Rubbing Mud.
@@edhartman6891 Yup, my dad took the Tacony-Palmyra Bridge to work for the five years we lived there. Used to be called the nickel bridge, it was up to 25 cents back then, it's probably $5 now... Glad I don't live there anymore.
Glad you made a video. It has been blatantly obvious in some games that a pitcher is way down on spin/velo/control. They lick their fingers like crazy, use the rosin a ton and just look really unnatural.
Jays fan here, and some of the best examples come against the Yankees themselves. The game where Judge hit a 3 run nuke off Romano to walk it off is a good one, where Jordan was all over his fingers in that inning, couldnt control anything and just gave up throwing the heater, as he was pitching 2nd day in a row, throwing 6MPH below his top velo and couldnt locate at all. Just started throwing sliders on repeat. The other example was a Nestor start in Toronto. Nesty has been great so far, but in that start it was obvious from the first pitch something was up. He had no control and was all over the rosin bag, but never found his control and got yanked in the 4th. Manoah also had one start in Cleveland where the balls where clearly bothering him.
MLB needs to get their shit together and just be consistent about it.
I like when you cover weird sports like Sumo wrestling, do more of that please!
Love your stuff, Jomboy. Keep doing what you do man.
Laughed each time at "ballbag."
Best part of the video is a quick overlay side note to Jimmy but also added to the (getting real long) list of why he should get an Emmy. Amazing work my guy.
Question for anyone out there.
Why is it that pitchers voluntarily get a new ball whenever one is put into play?
20 or so years ago, pitchers wanted to keep a ball in play for as long as possible so it was scuffed and they could make it move more.
Because it would have to be in an area that works for the pitch bein thrown. A new ball will be far more consistent to throw the pitch they want and location they want.
Pitchers have become extremely reliant on ball movement and rotation over speed and precision, especially n the modern era. On the ball movement front, it does make pitchers last longer instead of gunning everyone down with fastballs all the time and makes it harder for hitters, but it makes pitchers into cry baby's if the ball isn't exactly now they like it and doesn't break the way they want it to. Personally MLB should just "mud" all the balls with their own employees and everyone gets the same ball pool.
Because umpires are required to remove any ball that hits the dirt. You can try to hang on to one that has gotten scuffed up but if the ump notices it, he will remove it.
The overlay of those two pitches is amazing. Glad you threw it in there and made it look so easy 🤣
A few weeks ago i saw one of the Blue Jays pitchers do exactly the same thing, must have tossed 10 balls away that looked perfectly white, clearly hadn't been roughed up enough. What's next? Robot balls and strikes, and automated baseball preppers.
Thank you for allowing that interruption...bro I would watch a channel of just those breakdowns and I'm a casual baseball fan at best.
Seems like the MLB needs to invest in an automated muddying machine to ensure all balls go through the exact same process in an acceptable timeframe. Who wants to muddy a ball by hand? Sounds like slog work.
This kind of thing is exactly why the mlb sucks. They keep trying to put standards, rules, and "expected outcomes" to every minutia of the game of baseball. It's really not that fun to watch when pitchers bitch about the "feel" of a ball. As if everything needs to be "perfect" before the play can begin. Play the damn game
If they can let a machine call balls and strikes, they can certainly let a machine rub their balls for them.
that would ruin the game
@@jhonviel7381 It would? How?
@@fredleggett923 balls wouldnt feel right if done by a machine, shit why not just make the ball manufactures do it instead. might as well skip it all together and get pitching machines too!!!!
Really liked the layover sequence. Super interesting and cool to watch
It’s classic how we finally get a Mariners breakdown now that they’re on a huge win streak but it’s not of a recent game, it’s from back when we were getting rolled
2 things,
1) He obviously didnt have to edit in the part with him editing the overlay. Thank you for that. Super neat.
2) What editing software is that?
Do the pitch merger thing but with an entire perfect game
That mid video editing was top tier. What a pro you are. Good stuff my friend and great video
Considering the movement he was getting throwing those "pearls", I don't think the rubbing had much to do with grip if anything. I think it's one of those old tradition things that baseball hates to eliminate. I honestly never could tell the difference between rubbed balls and new balls out of the box when I pitched. My biggest problem was dry hands - some guys are natural sweaters but I'm not. I was continually stepping off to lick my fingers to get a grip.
That layover was insane, especially done on the fly. Props to you
The fact that the MLB, in the year 2022, has a magic mud from a secret mud source kept by a family of mud merchants that each team has to get tubs of and manually rub on their baseballs to make them playable is god damned ludicrous.
There isn't a single other notable professional baseball league in the world that does this. Just pretack the damned balls, for god's sake
Man, I can't believe how close the release point is to those two pitches. 😳 And with two completely different outcomes. Great two pitch combo. Thanks for showing that!
He's also not special being able to do that. That's modern pitching.
You should check out pitching ninja. He shows stuff like that every day
I’d like to know how many balls they went through during that game. If they only prepare 8 dozen balls for a game and the average amount of balls gone through during a game is 8 to 10 dozen, my guess would be that they ran out of properly mudded balls. It was the 8th inning, so it seems feasible that they just sort of ran out of good balls.
They definitely prepare more than 8 dozen, it's 8 dozen that come out of the humidor at once in a single bag, but games often dip into the 2nd bag.
Loved that behind the scenes look. Not that it wasn't obvious before, but it just shows how much you love what you do!
why doesn't the factory that makes all the balls for the mlb just have them pre muddied and shipped out to parks as needed. Seems like a way to standardize what's out there
I am a batboy for a minor league team, we rub up baseballs in the umpires room before every game. We were never taught a certain “method” we just all do different things to make it a pale brown color. Obviously we are part of MiLB and not MLB but it’s still the same thing. I do it with the other batboy that it working that day so on average it takes us about 28 minutes to rub up all the balls. We don’t specifically take “30 seconds per ball” I actually didn’t even know that was a rule. Also the 2 other batboys I work with all rub up the balls differently, usually they will be more dark then mine will be and it’s such a weird process. At the beginning of the year MiLB were testing out different types of balls that were “pre-sprayed” with something, and the pitchers didn’t love them but they were at least all the same consistency, the MLB needs to figure out a type of ball that is pre-sprayed like that, that the pitchers do like.
That 0-1 slider was nasty great job holding up by Moore. Very interesting breakdown on those two pitches.
Man... you're actually getting better. You're about the only content creator I can watch every video from without even really caring what's going on. Your commentary is perfect. Perfect video length for the appropriate content. Easy to follow yet immersive overlays. No bias. Conscice information. Everything is wonderfully balanced. Just hope you know we appreciate your persona and work. Thank you.
(fully understanding of sponsors especially with how you subtly throw it in but promoting gambling is the only criticism)
Better than having Raid shadow legends sponsors lol. I hear what you’re saying but betting is just a part of sports now it’s not like it’s going away. Have you seen the banners at premier league soccer games? It’s like 5 different betting agencies make up over 50% of the posters
What's wrong with gambling?
@@aarontooth you walk up to someone and hand them a dollar, then they hand you 90 cents in return, even though they try to subtly convince you that if you just handle the situation correctly, you can get more than a dollar.
It is the false hope that they are selling which gets people to think gambling is immoral.
@@phillyphakename1255 I think you're saying gambling is immoral when bookies etc deceive you about your chances of winning etc. I agree with that, crooked businesses are bad news.
How about when where gambling where everyone is straightforward, participants are fully informed, willingly take the risks, etc?
@@aarontooth To be clear, I was describing the thought process for many people, not necessarily me. There are also other reasons, religious objections for instance, where some people think gambling is a way of subverting the will of God, but the one I originally said is the most compelling for me and I think objectively.
That said, a well informed participant who uses gambling as a way to make the game more exciting, knows the rules of the bet, knows the risks and rewards, has self control to not bet more than they are willing to lose, etc, if all of those conditions are met, I have no issue with sports betting. I had a friend in college who did just that, and he had a healthy and productive relationship with sports betting.
Personally, the issue I have with sports betting companies is that I don't think they do their due diligence to safeguard people who aren't like my friend, in fact, I think they target the more vulnerable people, rope them in, install mental hooks to prevent their escape, all because it is the most profitable demographic. That is unethical.
love the editing and visual for that, insane pitches
thanks for showing that editing moment. super cool to see from that perspective and wow what a fuckin nasty combo
sometimes a random video just parts the kimono and shows you so much cool stuff at once. i loved that pitch onion skinning and explanation
honeslty cool little edit you made there, I like the behind the scenes stuff really cool!
Pretty cool showing the layover and how you do it. Best wishes from Toronto.
Muddying is something that could so easily be automated, it makes no sense.
3d print a sphere thing, same amount of mud, same turning/rubbing every time, save literal HOURS at EVERY team for EVERY game.
Financially it makes sense plus it would even the playing field
Really liked the live edit breakdown! Doesn’t need to be for every video but it is a nice little treat
Damn bro! You are just multi-talented! Not only are you a master lip reader, but you are tech savvy as well. Impressive. Most impressive!