Indian New Scout Blows Harley Away!
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Have Indian Motorcycles just blown Harley Davidson out of the water with the launch of their revamped Scout range of bikes? What have Harley Davidson on offer that even comes close to these bikes and what response are we expecting from them?
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The displacement wars, tech wars, and price hikes are precisely the things that make me want to keep my older bike.
I got a good price on my triumph and nobody even comes close in the category.
@@logangodofcandy Model?
Same. I'm keeping my bike for a good few years, probably at least another 5-7, then buying the current bikes several years later for a discount.
Love those Indian motorcycles❣️
They just keep getting better and better👍
I agree. The HD rev max bikes do nothing for me. I rather like this red Injun with the chrome laced wheels and full rear fender. And the price, under $15k. Are you kidding? For a solo bike, that is a killer deal. And it even looks good from either side.
I got to say that the new Scout looks pretty good. In my experience, Indian does make very dependable motorcycles. I have a 2014 Vintage, first model year and one of the first Indians made, number 244, with 60,000 miles. I recently traded my 2017 Roadmaster that had 38,000 miles for a new 2023 Roadmaster that now has 2,000 miles on it. I've never had a single mechanical issue with any of them. It's like owning a Honda. Hahaha! I look forward to trying out the new Scout when Demo Days comes around.
It’s like owning a Polaris!
@@shanethedestroyer Stop hatin bro. Your here obviously because you like bikes
@@etishbite456 I just don’t think Indians new 1250 is anything special. Harley did theirs how many years ago now with 150hp and now Indian comes out with a new one with 105hp. I’m just not at all impressed. Looks can be subjective, but numbers never lie. No hate just facts!
Indian have updated and innovated again meanwhile HD are sadly closing dealerships here and in Europe which is very sad.
They’re pigeonholed. Their ‘fans’ won’t allow them to change, so they’re stuck making bikes for an increasingly older & older population that won’t allow them to update & expand. Plus, they’ve been doing the same thing for so long, they aren’t very good at innovating, since they haven’t really had to do it.
In 2022 Indian sales were down 16.2%. In 2024 they dropped slightly again. What up with that?
@@rogergleidt1567 price
The 101 looks fantastic, and they have lots of options to customize the new Scout. I own a 2022 Pan Am Special, the green Enthusiasts Collection, the 1250 rev max engine on the max power setting and with a Vance and Hines muffler is just fantastic, they need to use this in the Sportster, with more options.
The scouts have always been excellent bikes they've now improved them and listened to their customers
Anesthetics won't define the ride but Indian did a great launch video. They also released a line of accessories at the same time. Glad to see competition in the American motorcycle industry. Now go test ride and let us know.
anesthetics?
@@mr.b3168 aesthetics. If thats still wrong, "good looks" then!
I think when it comes to the new Scout, 'anesthetics' is just about right.😂 (Long live Scout Gen 1!)
@@user-zi6ku3io2qanesthetics made me laugh. But I know what ya mean and I actually did go to my local dealer and ride a few of the 2024 scouts. Quite nice. I liked the Rouge with the middle height bar and sport single seat best. The new Scout with more options has my attention now. Something I never said before.
(Current Rebel 1100 rider)
Test rode an FTR in 2021 and it feel jerky and my ass was sore in 20 min
Indian has absolutely blown Harley Davidson out of the water with the new Scout!
😂 I don't like HD, but believe me: they are *cheering this in Milwaukee.
@@I-Libertine Yeah, that's called 'Whistling past the graveyard'.
@@roguecheddar alas, IMC sure buried the Scout! Long live the Chief, I guess...
By coming out with a 1250 that has 105 hp… Years after Harley Davidson came out with a 1250 that has 150 hp?
@@shanethedestroyerBagger?
100%. HD keeps missing the mark. It releases the X350 and X500 in road versions when the market is wanting smaller size Adv bikes. I've been saying it for a while now, the talk of a 975 PAm is just BS, that bike would just be too heavy. Here is the proof in the pudding, Royal Enfield has already taken 500 pre-orders [a record] of the all new 450cc Himalayan Adv bike and CFMoto, 300 pre-orders of it's all new 450cc Adv bike - and that's just in Australia which is regarded as a relatively small market. The key is read the market and keep entry level bikes at reasonable prices. BTW, the single TFT Screen on the 2024 Himalayan now uses an app and your phone to display Google Maps [yes, Google Maps, not the stupid arrows as used by the HD map] on the screen - and that's on what s regarded an entry level ADV bike.
Harley started screwing up a big market segment when they dumped the Buell. Imagine if they had an advanced chassis with years of development time on a high performance engine now. They could be competing with anyone.
I agree on Buell . Other than on Dirt Track and Baggers they can’t sell enough sport bikes in the USA for them to get serious about global sport bike sales
The Sportster/Nightster have been a huge flop for Harley.
They are so much fun though! If you are coming off sport bikes and always wanted a Harley, they are the gateway drug. I vote Nightster Special
@@shanethedestroyer Let's be honest, Harley-Davidson's Nightster, and Sportster... even the previous Indian Scout model from 10 years a go was better (as a cruiser) than the these, There are serious comparison tests that can show us that. This new Scout model only further emphasizes that.The Indian Motorcycle Scout is beautiful in contrast to the bulky, hose coated, half finished, exposed wire, a and b sided product of the competitor... And the FTR has a proven track record of fun....
Its hard to compare the two mfrs in this segment:
The natural competitor for the Sportster S is really the Indian FTR (in terms of power, handling & styling) and the Nightster is a smaller capacity bike than all but the Scout Sixty.
It could be argued that the new Scout should be compared more to the Fatbob, Softail Standard & Lowrider S in terms of performance, dynamics & style, but they are not mid-size cruisers and Indian have the Chief range as a more direct comparison.
But as a manufacturer, Indian are most certainly stealing the limelight from Harley-Davidson.
As the world market moves towards the mid-sector and away from the high end & tourers, Harley Davidson need to give some serious attention to what they can do with the excellent RevMax engine.
The only thing Indian competes with is the sportster and nightster with this bike. It really can’t compete with anything above that. So, the reviewer is only addressing Harley davidson entry bikes that are water cooled, DOHC and such.
Yes. How do you compare a liquid cooled engine to an air cooled. Not the same machine.
Harley is known for it's air cooled engine heritage.
I don't know of to many Harley riders who like the Sportster of today.
To me riding a harley. Is like a 70's car. Big, heavy and moves the wind.
HD did the same as VW did, with the Beetle.
Re-release a classic air cooled classic. By updating it with a liquid cooled engine. Well that failed for VW. It has failed for Harley.
I have a Harley cause I like moving the wind. I also like the feeling of a 70's classic car. I give a damn about the speed.
I had a Bmw s1000rr for that.😂
@@kangaroo4144 You nailed. I have a HD-48 to just commute. It's a brutal and so satisfying machine to ride. Corky for sure, but pull-off smiles everywhere. And I do have a 2023 Goldwing (I had a HD Street Glide for 8 years). For long hauls, sorry HD, should be a different category. The Honda is unbelievable. I did tested the SportsterS and the Nightster, and have to say they are fun, but the looks are some king of Chinese knock-off of parts put together. It throw me off the asymmetry and, to be honest, ugly engine and engine covers. I'll check this new Scout. It's beautiful, but my 48 is hard to beat.
@@osheenhaghnazarian1073 I don't agree: I bought a Scout over a Street Bob originally, and two years ago I hankered after a Fat Bob - until I rode it.
Dynamically,the Scout was better than both bikes that cost considerably more and had bigger engines.
In all bike styles, the mid sector is now competing against bigger bikes.
The 101 looks great..
As a euro bike fan and unbiased 3rd party looking from the outside in. It appears Indian has ripped the torch out of Harley’s hand and is now the lone torch bearer of American motorcycles.
I'm a Japanese bike fan and also look at myself as a 3rd party. I don't think it has quite gotten to the point where Indian is the lone torch bearer but it is heading that way, and will continue to if Harley doesn't stop overcharging for yesterday's technology.
HD messed up with the Sportster. Discontinuing all those models and their accompanying parts and accessories. Then, they only come out with a couple of Revmax models with a half-assed effort.
RevMax is a great motor, needs to be in a bagger.
I've yet to ride one, but I'm interested in trying them out, particularly the Pan Americ.
The Rev Max line is anything up Half-assed. The Sportster is low and rough suspension but its by design. It pulls like a liter bike up until 100 mph, and the tech on it is very good and intuitive. Its also surprisingly packed for a Harley, and the best built motorcycle I've tested when I was comparing. Way better than the R1, and street triple, I was so surprised considering their reputation. Its nowhere near perfect, but I got mine for 16.8k, and I think I got my money's worth.
Nothing against the bikes themselves, I just feel like HD isn't filling out a complete lineup with models like they have done in the past. I hope they come out with several more models using the platform.
@@DanielA23 A real 'sport' bike with that RM would be great! Including the switchgear with ONE turn signal switch.
This new Scout seems to be a competitor of the HD Low Rider and Low Rider ST, not the Sportster.
Agreed the people buying low riders will love the scout 101, and off the showroom the 101 will smoke the lowrider with its power to weight
Wow RevelatorAlf, you sure touched a nerve there! I wasn't prepared for the level of vitreol and angst in the comments. Hopefully, folks will calm down a bit once they have a chance to actually view and ride the new Scouts in person? Cheers
beautiful bikes!!! With quality parts, especially on the Scout 101 - which is my favorite. In my opinion, it's this kind of evolution that Harley Davidson missed, with the Sporster and the Nightster !!!
Indian has recognized that a healthy mid-market machine creates loyal riders who will buy bigger bikes in the future. The Scout is there most popular model, like the old Sportster was for Harley and for some reason they have dropped the ball with the Rev Max bikes.
Indian is profitable and are able to stand on their own two feet under the Polaris mothership and they stated the Scout got them there, a hundred thousand Scouts have been sold. Long live Indian Motorcycle!
HD has no idea how to manage good motors. They IMO put them in random shit on purpose so they dont piss off the old school guys. Make that RevMax motor look like the old Vrod motors and drop it into the CVO RoadGlide ST and nothing would touch it.
@@DanielA23 There you have it, folks. In one ear HD hears modernize and we'll buy, In the other ear, it's don't change a damn thing.
Doesn't HD know which bikes aren't selling enough? If the people complaining about HD killing certain models were putting their money where their mouths are, would they still kill off those certain models?
@SmittyAZ Yes, they would. HD knows they have plenty of sucker's that will buy whatever crap they put out because they think it's cool. Bikes with higher profit margins will win out always. Vrods sold well outside of the US market yet still were killed everywhere. The Dyna outsold the Softail yet they killed the Dyna and went all in on the Softail.
@@DanielA23 Aren't they like a lot of companies? We don't know why they do some things. Look at all the WTF stories that come out about Walmart.
I was surprised that they brought another range of scouts out, the industry has struggled for the last 2 - 3 years due to COVID. Dealers still had to put bikes on the showroom floor without being able to open the doors. There is a back log of bikes which in turn affected the second hand market. Bikes like HD & Indian rely on trade ins but the second hand market being so bad has affected this also the price range for the new Scout is way too high its basically another option of the new chief without a comparable cost difference. As someone who loves the Indian brand I was disappointed that they did not provide what they hinted at in the early promotion a classic look to the original Scout. Also Polaris Britain need to work on their customer service which is very poor and is way they have only sold 5000 as of December last year since 2014 yet there are over 50,000 HD registered in the UK. I have some interesting stories about the Polaris UK after service but will not bore you with that on here but if you want to make contact with me please do.
Alf, totally agree with your comments. Watched the full intro last night and came away quite impressed. Think the 975 Harley motor is 2-steps down from the new Indian power plant.
Mostly impressed with how many different variations are available; even 1 model with adjustable suspension 👍🏼
Indian and triumph are hitting it out the park. Harley with the eco max engine is a massive disappointment especially in sound. And electrics failing all the time it seems.
Love the indian, but as for harley, as they have shown, they have moved their focus to cater to $40kplus crowd..
Absolutely agree!!!, No doubt at all Indian is manufacturing much more better Motorcycles than Harley!!!, No doubt at all That The New Indian Scout Range it's totally Matchless!!!, Thanks for sharing!!!
The Scout is great, the new one has a lot on the Sportster S. But a fair comparison to the Nightster is the Scout 60. When it comes to Scout 60 vs Nightster, Scout 101 vs Sportster S. The Harley counterpart beats both in performance and Nightster Special wins on tech. But the Harley's are way more money. But its hard to compare both because they are competitors but are for completely different audiences. I bought a Sportster S last year, this year I would've bought a Scout 101, but that's not because its better, but because its more of what I want in a bike.
this is acutally a good thing for Harley competition in the market Is healthy and Harley needs to really step it up now.
Nice bike but the future market is in the 500-800 c.c. range.
Not for Harley’s it’s not.
The Polaris Scout Engine never had the teething problems/Gremlins of the 1250 Rev-Max, but this 101 Model just incinerates the Stupid Nightster in looks, and Looks is the first thing that sells bikes. H-D needs to bring back the XLCR with the 1250 Engine. Those who know H-D know what the XLCR is
Harley’s Breakout is the only Harley I would ever consider owning. But for $16k all in…the new Scout 101 is a total buyer. It’s a must own.
@@charlesrocks
I went all in and bought a 2023 Triumph Rocket3-R 😏🇬🇧
That's because Polaris is a better engineering company than HD. All their engines/bikes have been more reliable since the Victory era on up.
Undercover hater. All you people that always want to refer to Indian as Polaris kills me. It's like you want to bait people in to saying Indian so you can act like your smart.
Its also hilarious you people never refer to HD as "American Machine and Foundry" or "AMF." "Oh they bought it back almost a decade and a half later" yea right.👌
@@Stevel_
Agreed, the victory engines were always more durable/Reliable.
I will take the new Bobber or that 101 ALL DAY LONG... They knocked it out of the park with adjustable controls, mid or forward. Harley should have put the revmax in the V-Rod.
Umm the revmax came from the vrod...updated version, I know i owned a vrod dude.
The Vrod has a special place in my heart, but that bike sucked man. It was so compromised, the Sportster S, its successor is so much better.
@@andy8005 I know and the motor came from 35 years of German engineering... I just wish it had went into a new and better V-Rod rather than what they call a Sportster S, NOT THAT THEIR WAS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE Original V-Rod. if they had still made the V-rod in 2023 I would have bought one instead of my FXST. Now I am thinking HARD that New scout Bobber may be one for me. thanks for the comment.
Hp and torque numbers on a Harley don’t mean squat. Indians are just faster bikes. Plus we haven’t even gotten a big bore kit or cams on this new scout yet. It’ll be a 150 bike in no time
So as a person that is looking at these two manufacturers to buy either a Street Bob or Scout Rouge what do you suppose will happen to the leftover models at all the indian dealers? One near me has nearly 3 to 5 of each style of Scouts, I wonder if it will be a big discount coming.
The Nightster and the Sportster S does not sell very good in Europe. I see a lot of them at the dealerships in the netherlands for sale with lower prices. 2023 and 2022 models new.
I’m reasonably new to the world of Harley but I really don’t think you can compare anybody to Harley, the heritage and the overall design and look of the bikes means they stand apart from all other manufacturers. I’m lucky enough to have in my garage bikes made by Ducati. KTM and Kawasaki but my softail slim feels very different to ride than any of the others
Btw: I liked the “snappy” pace of your analysis, you seemed to have gained some confidence
Anything can blow a Harley Away !!
I have to be honest. Harley make the best looking cruisers, but their looks are only a bit further ahead than Indian, but it fall short in every other category. If I had to choose, then I would choose the Indian. Indians still are works of art, but have a ton more functionality, which goes a long way in long term love of a bike.
Love the Donkey print behind you where did you find that would love one
Every brand has to compete with the products of their competitors, and HD is no exception. The 'big deal' to me that makes Indian better is that they actually offer a range of colors. Most HD colors are ugly or boring. Try ordering a Low Rider in red of blue... Flat black? Ugly cream colors? For $20K No thanks...
They have but only because Harley dropped the sportster range the evolution engine could of been overhauled and so on and so forth, Indian have basically jumped into an empty space, and it’s going to be very difficult to get them out
Harley made a big mistake ditching the air cooled sportster, instead of making incremental upgrades, like a 6 gear gearbox, they refuse to have a bike in the 10k/12k bracket, (same as Indian btw, at least in Europe) to compete against the Bonneville t100 or the Moto Guzzi v7...
Firstly thanks for your video, I really enjoyed it and completely agree with everything you said.
I'm currently looking to replace my Triumph America and found your channel as I'm keen on the HD Sport Glide.
I've always had a soft spot for Indian Motorcycles but the new Scout range especially the Super Scout might have switched my attention away from the Sport Glide.
In my opinion HD have definitely missed a trick with their smaller capacity bikes thanks to the likes of Royal Enfield and some of Japanese and Chinese releases.
Just my thoughts, thanks again now subscribed to your channel. .
Important questions other than whether it is brand new, and what you will and won't say about it compared to another brand, is: does it have a slipper clutch and cruise control?
These aren’t a direct comparison with the Sportster lineup it should be compared to the softail lineup. The Street Bob, Low Rider S, Low Rider ST, Fat Boy and Heritage.
Wrong
HD has abandoned the Sportster line. They overpriced them and killed the entry level line up.
They are trying to position themselves as a premium motorcycle brand and they think all they need is a high price tag to achieve that. Who, really cares? I’ve quit caring about hearing about one of my favorite bike brands driving themselves in to the ground and then going to the government to bail them out for there dumb decisions.
Let's be honest, Harley-Davidson's Sportster, new Sportster,... Even the previous Indian Scout model was better than the new Sportster, there are serious comparison tests that can show us that. This new Scout model only further emphasizes that. You don't have to be a motorcycle designer to come up with that. . The Indian Motorcycle Scout is beautiful in contrast to the bulky, hose coated, exposed wire, a and b sided product of the competitor. It is the same with the touring bikes. The real elephant in the room is that even the "old" Callenger blows Harley-Davidson's new Tourer off the track. (Road Glide) Indian Motorcycle actually makes the finest and best American motorcycles at the moment.
Harley can thank Indian for making them make a better motorcycle. Not better engendered than Indian, just an improved Harley.
These bikes look better than the HD revmax sportsters, have color matched fenders, no wires hanging everywhere, and cost less. They are going to be a huge win for Indian. Oh and the Bronx that is NEVER going to happen? Indian already made that bike it's called the FTR.
I agree that the Indians are better bikes than HD, but compared to HD the buying and ownership experience is woeful. Unless Polaris put some serious money into dealership training and ensuring there are available spare parts, then the HD is looking better. 2022 Scout Bobber owner
The Harley’s 1250 came out years ago now… with 150 HP. Indian’s 1250 that doesn’t come out until next year will have what 105? Who is blowing who out of the water? And I didn’t hear anything about new suspension on the scout, so there’s still that problem. Have you even ridden one?
it does have new suspension, to answer that question
There has never been a suspension problem on the Indian Scout, and certainly not if you compare with Harley-Davidson year by year. 111 HP on 101, and if you take a look at the bike you will see reasonably decent suspension components. Let's be honest, Harley-Davidson's Nightster, and Sportster... even the previous Indian Scout model from 10 years a go was way better (as a cruiser) than the these, There are serious comparison tests that can show us that. This new Scout model only further emphasizes that. The Indian Motorcycle Scout is beautiful in contrast to the bulky, hose coated, half finished, infested with errors, exposed wire, a and b sided product of the competitor... And the FTR has a proven track record of fun... Real fun. It is the adventure Pan -America that has 150 HP... The quality of the Pan is unfortunately, you know... Well Harley-Davidson has big problems with these motorcycles.
Haha what planet do you love on 😂 the rev Max makes 150hp but not in any cruiser HD has ever produced 😂. The fact is the scout 101, with its 110hp and light weight, already blows every cruiser in HD line up out of the water every single one 😂. Yes, I own an HD LOWRIDER S but I'm not in HD fantasy land like you seem to be. the air-cooled bikes can't compete with the water cooled indian, the water cooled rev Max won't be put in a cruiser because if HD did every single one of their air cooled bikes would look like a joke against a 150hp light weight sports cruiser. And no, the sportster S is not a cruiser, I don't think even HD know what that idiotic thing is to be honest 😂.
If that buell is as good as it looks then even more trouble for Harley
@@ausforce1 What about the Nightster?
A lot of new things and tech, but price raised not so much thats very welcome from indian what we cant say about HD…
Was about to go for a new BMW R12 nineT. Scout 101 might change that. Or get both.
If Harley came out with a Bronx 1250, I would sell my 114 Street Bob in a heartbeat.
Yeah they aren't going to.
Yeah, why make something that might sell.@@Stevel_
Have you test rode a Nightster special? It is the Bronx, it’s just identifying as a Harley. Lol
101 is just a water cooled Chief. Its faster than the Harley Nightster's but not the Sportster S. Nice looking bobber but Harley has the Street Bob 117 or Lowrider S 117
Pretty sure it's a Scout, not a Chief.
Have you ridden one?
Not really - I have a 116 chief and had a 2018 Scout. Even though they are moving from water cooled 1133 to 1250, the difference on the air cooled 1900cc is pretty drastic. The 116 chief has 126 ft-lbs of torque compared to 82 with the 101 Scout.
@@mcscotty325 I was being satcastic. They look alike. Just ones water cooled and one air cooled.
No, I'm pretty sure you haven't ridden a Scout 101 yet neither. Talking specs@@HabitualFixation
The strength of the scout is how low it is. I know so many girls that ride them.
indian is bs in power next to triumph rocket, the rocket is 2000cc. Its not about power, its about having fun, aesthetics and have some power and not a snail as motorbike
I’m still trying to figure out why the Harley XR1200 never sold great in the States? To me that bike is everything I like in a bike. Maybe it was too Sporty hah hah. I guess they think that these Scouts and Harleys will bag people that wouldn’t buy a Sportster?
Also, comparing the the Nightster to the scout isn’t fair… It has the same size engine as the scout 60 which it rides circles around! Sorry who is blowing who out of the water.
Better looking than outgoing model ...shame about the radiator.
Indian just built a Vrod, congrats. Sad all the "New" is either worse than 20 years ago or on par yet we are supposed to believe they are amazing lol.
Hater hahhaa
Indian Motorcycle already did it 10 years ago with the previous generation Scout. I have owned 2 V-Rod machines: Night Rod and Muscle - even the previous Indian Scout was a better bike than these. This new Scout model only further emphasizes that. Harley-Davidson's Sportster, new Sportster... even the previous Indian Scout model was better than the new Sportster, there are serious comparison tests that can show us that.
@@mosgor From an overall perspective I can see that, from a motor perspective its not even close. The Vrod motor was and still is better than the Scout. Even the new version RexMax is better just looks like a toy. We had a guy in the club who picked up a scout and was positive he could take my vrod, I walked him. Only bikes that have got me are Liter bikes and even then is only past 120. It pulls hard up to its 10200 rpm redline. Now mine isnt stock but it it is stock internals.
@@DanielA23 Yes, I've seen tests where the Scout runs off to be picked up by the V-Rod. Personally, I preferred the Scout Bobber to the V-Rod, due to its easy handling and maneuverability.
Holy sh*t it's f*cking Hank Schrader!!😅
Harley lost me as a customer with the Pan America. Indian DESTROYS them in manufacturing and customer service.
The new scout destroyed the new sportster and nightster in terms of looks that’s for sure.
I love IMC, but get real: the only thing Harley's gonna be blown away by is why Indian squandered its best selling model to build another HD clone like the Chief? Yeah, that's a puzzle. Must be the extra 5 hp or 1/10th gallon. Or those sexy pipes. If I wanted an HD, I'd have ordered one. I wanted a sharper *Scout, not a Shadow wannabe.
If Honda in 2025 or 26 makes the Rebel 1100T more modern, bigger tank with a real cockpit with fairing, navigation and gauges, I will say the then best mid weight cruisers would be 1. The Scout and 2 Rebel 1100T. If Honda makes a great update like that.
But that new Scout 101 and Sport Scout nothing Harley has is messing with those. Maybe the ST and thats a maybe.
If the Rebel had a bigger tank. We don’t get the DCT Rebel in NZ.
Blows HD away? Have you rode it?
The 117 from Harley is over 1900cc.. I’ll take that
Its also over 20k
but harley allways did their moni with tees and learher belts😂😂
Seems Indian is competing with itself. Why but a Chief anymore with the Super Scout being the better buy?
HD era is over and has been for some years now. Nobody with a little bit of criteria would buy a brand new HD when you can get a way better bike for the same money from almost any other major brand.
No wonder why HD is closing dealerships all over the world
I said it once, and I'll say it again! I will never ever buy a Harley-Davidson again. Why would you put a 1250 cc lackluster motor that might give you 90 BHP.and sell it for over $25 grand, Indian has shown customer want, and will buy a performance cruiser. I know I would! RIP Honda vtx18000....lol
If your referring to the pan america 1250 or the sportster s, you are incorrect the pan am 150hp and sporster s 125hp, nightster 90hp
@@andy8005 thank you so very very much for the correction..
Both the sportster s and the indians look like they have cheap molded plastic motors...very forgettable offerings in a few years. Nobody wants the sportster S anyway.
Sad, but true 😢
How come the Indians 1250 only put out 111 horsepower and 82 lbsft of torque and the Rev Max has 121 horsepower and 93 lbsft of torque. I do like the looks of the Indians
This is crank hp and is probably heavily detuned. Llyods will fix her up.
@etishbite456 yes I understand that but was just wondering why this new engine with the same displacement is not closer to the Sportster S ?
@KevinButler816 I know, right? It should be.
The Indians look cool, but no Forward Controls for me .
It’s a nice line up from Indian tbh.
But I prefer my 2023 Fatbob 114.
Indian listens to its customers, and harley doesn't care!
Harley needs a 150+Hp revolution max powered V-Rod, something high end to go against the Rocket 3 and Díavel
Agreed. That's what the sportster s should have been from the beginning . 150+HP beast.
@@griggzzy1058 the problem with the Sportster S is that it isn’t a true high performance machine, it’s just a large engine in a smallish bike, but they didn’t upgraded anything else, at least they should have installed twin front discs and a better exhaust system,
Water cooled Chief Bobber....🥴
Looks wise, that red, white, black Indian 101 looks ugly to me. The solid colors or two tone look much better.
Indian makes great bikes... On paper. But they ALWAYS feel cheap, buzzy, and have laggy throttles. I really wanted to like them... But I just can't after riding any of them. The only Indian that impressed me was the FTR.
Harley is not trying to compete with Indian. to put it in a more realistic view. a Harley is a Cadillac, and an Indian is a Chevy. Harley is catering to a richer buyer; they don't care about selling someone a cheap bike. they tried that with the Street, no one buying a Harley wants something like that. Indian makes great motorcycles for the consumer who wants a great bike at a reasonable price. having 2 American companies catering to different buyers is a win-win for everyone. enjoy and buy what you like.
My comment about Harley, Davidson and his attitude he's going to take them down. Indian is making a nicer bike and probably a better bike and her attitude is probably better than that Harvey.
It's a marginal improvement at best over the previous model. Im disappointed you were so driven to hyperbole by so little.
Ok one more… again, have you even ridden the Nightster? Way more poke than a Scout 60! I think Harley has them hands down.
The Scout 60 has their smallest engine, and it's only a 5 speed. Regular Scouts had the 100HP 69ci, and now the 111hp 1250cc. Bad comparison.
@@ryannecker1233 Comparison stands. Scout 60 is about the same capacity engine as the Nightster.
@@ryannecker1233 1 scout has 111hp… 1 of them. The first rev max 1250 HD did years ago now made 150hp. Even the toned down one they put in the Sportster S makes 120hp. And again… years ago now.
I would suggest Indian have more American made parts in their motorcycle s than Harry Davidson.
Firstly i quite like the new Polaris Indians. They have copied every model of Harley and have a competitor for each Harley to impersonate. Also copied Harleys business model. However, actually they do not not blow Harley away .
I believe the Hp and torque with the Harley 1250 is just above the Polaris 1250.
BMW has the R 12, if harley built the Bronx with the 1250 I'd buy one and beg my wife for forgiveness!
Im sorry how does the scout engine which makes less power per displacement than the nighster, sportster S, and praytell the PanAm revmax "blow harley away"
It doesn't. Not to mention Indian legitimately lying in their scout video about how they made dual shocks iconic.
I guess they forgot about the FXR, Dyna, VROD, Sportster, and Nighster that all came out before...FXR made the dual shocks iconic, and if not it was the Dyna.
Not Indian.
If people would actually be objective here and actually think about values and what's being offered and prices, then it'd be obvious that the new scout isn't matching up to what Harley has delivered.
Not to mention they didnt point out the Scout 101 and Standard scouts have different outputs. The Classic scout puts out less HP than the 101.
And this is coming from someone who loves the scout and wants to buy one.
And the Sport Chief? That bike is AWFUL. I rode 2 of them, and several other chiefs. They are INFURIOR in everyway to the M8 Softail. Absolutely.
M8 Softail makes more power, has better suspension, has better handling, and has way more precise throttle response. And what does the chief offer? a TFT screen you cant read in full sun. Ask me how I know that last part.
I was subbed to you for years and years, you were such a data driven person. What happened Alf?
Oh boy, you're really spreading the Harley hate around 🤣😂
….the hate never ends. That euro accent is cringe. Bly-me mait !!
The Indian styling is better and looks more traditional. The revmax Harley bikes look cartoonish.
Absolutely hilarious. YOU haven't even ridden the bike yet, and here you go again spewing information you have no clue about. No surprises, at least you're consistent.
Lmao showroom performance has never been the reason why people buy Harleys…
Literally anything blows a harley away. My grandma's mobility scooter is faster than a harley
….your Granny really gets around
@@1941392 hell yeah she do.
I agree the Scout line up is better than the HD Rev Max Sportsters.
However the so called new scout is not that new is it?
It’s a warmed over face lift nothing ground breaking or that great in reality.
I would not but an Indian due to poor UK support and poor build quality compared to Triumph, BMW and HD.
Let's see, new frame, new suspension, new engine, more horsepower, more torque, new tank, new exhaust, 5 separate models, 3 levels of trim with Ride Command, Ride Modes, and Cruise Control, and a bunch of interchangeable accessories. Aren't you the hard one to please?!
Poor build quality compared to Triumph, BMW and HD ??? Well, that one was good...
Half the morons that post are unknowledgeable its stunning its like they make shit up
Is that why you don't see any on the road? Or why Indian sales are down? Every bike tries to compare to a Harley, because they're #1
the sporster s is so ugly i don't even want one for free ;; harley are so far removed from their customers - it's pathetic ;;
Don’t care, I am still riding my dyna street bob
I don't think you are comparing things properly. Apples for apples. Now check prices. Harley is actually less costly for the category you are supposed to be comparing.
I have a 2023 fatboy stage 3 this new scout 101 my bike can easily eat for breakfast 😂
Great to hear.....next
Indian went bankrupt! it's Polaris! Stupid marketing!
HD is over priced!
Japanese still just or more reliable at half the price
Oh, BTW, for all you fans of foreign bikes, (Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, BMW, etc.) if your bike is over 10 years old, see what your dealer says if you want it worked on. Big surprise,,, they won't work on it and they can't even get parts for you!??
I've never owned one that wasn't ten years old and I've never once had that problem