Mistakes were made... In the process of making this video I inadvertently switched columns when entering data. The Scout 101 has a 150 mm rear tire not 180 mm, as claimed in the video. And I also switched the suspension travel for both bikes. The Sport Chief has the longer suspension travel at 100 mm on the rear and 130 mm on the front VS the Scout 101's 76 mm for the rear and 120 mm on the front. My apologies, I will endeavour to do my best to ensure these types of egregious errors don't occur again in the future... but for now, I'm blaming my age 😁
@bikesilike you’re putting out valuable content for people who appreciate people like you! Forget those snowflakes they got dropped on their heads too much times that they don’t know their arse from that empty space they call a head👍🏽
The sound of the thunderstroke with stage 2, indian cams is intoxicating! I’ve owned 2 Indians with thunderstroke 111, since 2017 and nothing else sounds as good! That pushrod air cooled engine has a ton of character. In my opinion these bikes couldn’t be more different! Both apples and oranges are round but that’s about it for similarities.
I have owned a Scout 101 for 4 weeks and am completely satisfied. I'm 184cm tall and the front foot pegs are perfect. A very relaxed ride. And the torque is absolutely sufficient on country roads - that's all it needs :-) The problem is in the minds of many (male) motorcyclists. Size, size, size. And Scout just sounds like a ‘beginner’ in the Indian model range. But that is absolutely not the case with the 101. It definitely towers over its big brother.
I'm 6ft and I have the sport scout. I've been on 5 hr rides with it so far. It's fine. People just have major ego issues because they're insecure. Unless you are a linebacker, no, you aren't too big for it lmfao. Literally had a dude say that to me. While I was about 3 inches taller and I probably had about an extra 10lbs on him 😂
I had a scout before it was stolen and upgraded to the Sport chief. Its a big difference but I wouldn't go back to the scout. The extra weight and the larger frame of the Sport Chief might scare you away from it but its quite nimble and very controllable, plus tons of aftermarket support that can fit the bike to anyone!
I did demo rides on both and actually preferred the Scout liquid cool engine over the Chief air cooled. Good torque on the Chief but I felt like it ran out of breath too soon vs Scout making power across a broader RPM range
I demo'd every Indian bike 2 years ago. I know the Scouts have been upgraded, but back then, I preferred the Chief Dark Horse to all others. In sport mode, it felt more powerful than Scouts and FTR's and it was far more comfortable. I'm only 5'7" and the Scout still felt small to me.
That's interesting. I went in to buy a Scout Bobber Twenty but ended up preferring the Chief. The Scout is a smaller bike but I do find the rider ergonomics to be very accommodating for someone my height, 6'1".
Damn man as a new rider i just went to a dealership and Sat on both a Chief Dark Horse and the Scout 101 and i gotta say that Chief was intimidating, im 6’2 so it was comfortable to sit on but i just felt small i guess…..
Love the real world comparisons, very useful info. Both amazing bikes. I own a chief bobber dark horse, and my last bike was a scout. Can't go wrong with either honestly!
As someone who is 6'6 "and never owned a motorcycle, I am in the process of studying my options for medium sized cruiser. I so appreciate someone finally talking about size on the bike. I am so hoping that when i sit on the scout, it feels good because I love the look. I am also really curious about the sciut 60
Isn’t rear cylinder deactivation automatic? I’ve never turned mine on or off on my Chief Dark Horse (I don’t believe there’s any option for this). It kicks on for me automatically when stopped in traffic. There’s a little indicator on the ride command.
No you can turn it off and on. It's in the manual. disable Rear Cylinder Deactivation: 1. Press the right-hand trigger until “CYLdeAC” displays. 2. Hold down the right-hand trigger. “CD ON” or “CD OFF” will.
@@torryc Personally, I'm leaving it off until I actually need it. I want instant response when accelerating away from the lights, I ride my bike in Sport mode. Try it for yourself and see which option you like best, off or on. ;)
Hey Paul, thank you very much for the video, excellent comparison and it helped me a lot to decide on the best model. For the Scout 101 to be a 100% perfect choice, a slightly larger tank would be enough, I would say that 4 usgl would be an ideal capacity. Congratulations on the video, excellent work. 🤙🏻
These two bikes are what I was really jumping back and forth between. I'll be paying off my Indian Challenger soon, and want to get another bike that's better for hopping around on. I'm super used to good power after riding my challenger for the last 65k miles, and want a bike that snappy and fast. I do plan on upgrading the exhaust, cams, and tune on whichever one I end up getting.
I’m 6’ tall and I just picked up an Indian bobber 20 today with the forward controls and I fit perfectly on it. I love this thing. Before this I had a triumph scrambler 900 and I loved it but I got t boned by a car a couple of weeks ago now so I had to get a new bike. I found that I had to put highway pegs on my scrambler because the mid controls would give me a twinge in my hip now and again until that hip flexor scratched out. So I’m really digging the forward control. It’s going to take a little time and to get use to them as I’ve been riding my triump for the past 5 years. I’ve heard a lot of mixed stuff about the scouts being this or that.. and the seat being uncomfortable or slippy, but the only thing I’ve found that I don’t like is I hit a couple of I guess bigger bumps that wouldn’t have been an issue on my scrambler that felt like getting a punch in the gut lol. So there something I’m going to have to get use to. Other than that I love it
Yes, the Scout Bobber Twenty's limited rear suspension travel would benefit from the optional Indian Fox Shocks. But first, make sure your current shocks are properly adjusted for your weight. ;)
Great video Paul. I am a bit of a traditionalist and love the look of the Chief but am impressed with the Scout 101. A tough decision to make. I enjoyed the days of just buying a bike without too much thinking and never regretting the purchase. By the way love the Lego and I have the Lego Fatboy ‘customised’ in a display case. Keep on keeping on.🖖👌
Cheers Steven. I have the Fatboy too! I think it's obscured by my body, I'll move it onto another shelf to bring it into view. I also have the Ducati waiting to be built. :)
I actually swapped some colours on the Fat Boy and made it look proper. I have the Yamaha MT01 to build next which I will custom build and change colours. I have heaps of bikes to build and bought quite a few from overseas that are Lego copies but amazing bikes.
@@steven_scattergood Hey cool. Good idea on the colour swap, I hadn't thought of that. MT01!! I didn't know that was available, I'll have to check it out. Cheers.
Really enjoyed your video and really appreciate how much research you put into the information you provided along with the quality and detail you proved , great work. I was really surprised that the Indian Scout 101 is more expensive than a 2024 Harley Davidson Street Bob $24,995.00 Ride Away 114ci and I believe the fit and finish on the Harley is superior, of course this is my personal opinion. Again awesome work Regards Duncan I have considered the Indian Scout and Sport Chief in the past, however currently I am unable to get past my before mentioned comparison.
The last bit you said in comparison to the two bikes...👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Thank you. I needed to hear that. I'm on Yamaha Bolt and want to go to a Chief. However, I like the Scout. And I keep looking at the Scout as the next bike to have. However, I want something slightly bigger for taking a passenger with me on short rides.
@BikesILike oh I've considered the chieftain. That's a lot of bike:) I would like it for the storage. If I went for a bagger, I may look into the Indian Springfield. Have you had some time with the Springfield?
@@Bandiccoot I rode the Springfield Dark Horse, very nice riding bike. The ape handlebar position didn't work for me on this test ride, I'd need to roll them back to be more comfortable. ruclips.net/video/xMBRqnZqjzM/видео.html If I was buying a bike for two up touring, say for me and my wife, I'd definitely go for the Chieftain/Springfield (same platform) lineup. Probably a Roadmaster Dark Horse... Better seating, better screen, more features etc. Personally I feel the Chief range may be a little cramped for proper two-up touring. Just my opinion. ;)
The Harley Davidson 1250 VROD was faster than its bigger brothers, so it isn't surprising that the Scout 101 is very competitive against the Indian Sport Chief.
I had a Chieftain and for me the heat was a deal breaker and I replaced it with a Challenger. My wife has an older Scout and it's heat is manageable. I'm now considering a lighter bike as I'm into my 70s and the Scout 101 is on my shortlist. My mail complaint is the tiny tank size as where I live there can be larger distances between gas stations. One of my favourite rides would require carrying extra gas somehow.
I own a 22 scout...I went to the dealer to buy a cheif bobber in ruby smoke...I was disappointed to not love the cheif and rode the scout on a whim cause I was there already...I effing love my scout....for reference I was trading in a 2007 harley fatboy....I still own a big harley(2012 street glide) so I get that awesome low end torque when I want it. but the scout is my hoodlum bike ...I guess to make a short story long. you need both they do different things
I went with the 101 personally because I love the feel of the bike and how the power is delivered. That 20k otd pricing to be 1st isn’t for everyone. If you’re the market for one and can wait til winter that’s what I would do if I wanted to save 1-2k USD. Here in Texas, USA, I got the bike for msrp 16,999. + tax title licensing registration dealer prep and sales tax 6.25% brings my grand total to just under 21 thousand US. I paid the difference in cash because I’m not financing taxes etc.
The Scout 101 is definitely a valid competition to the Sport Chief with its lighter weight, more lean angle, DCT, more HP and more modular design. The aftermarket folks are going to love this platform and I'm sure in a few months a lot of nice goodies are going to be available. Same with tunes, with an aftermarket intake, exhaust and tune 125+HP will be easily achievable. While it certainly will eat into the sales of the Chief lineup, I think overall it's a win for Indian. They will attract customers from other brands, even if they lose a couple Chief sales to the new Scout. Also, Indian has to work on enhancements for the Chief lineup at some point anyhow. Many have been calling for a liquid-cooled Sport Chief, which would certainly be an interesting bike.
I wish Indian would make a replica of the 1930 Scout 101. Some of us still love the classics, but want it to have the reliability of a new bike. The original Indian rounded heads on the engine would be the ultimate touch!
Great review as always Paul and don’t worry about a few little errors. You pack so much information into your reviews. I bet you are itching to get in the saddle of the new Scout range. The 101 really looks like it has it all. 👍
Hopefully bits crossed the 25 sport chief will base out with a stage one kit or a cam and power upgrade to separate it more from the base chief range to elevate it higher to halo status.
I think that the liquid cooled vs air cooled changes the riding characteristics. Both Bikes controls can be changed to make it more rider specific. Overall they are both amazing bikes. Incredible really it's Just the price difference and personal preference. As far as Indian Scouts cutting into Chief sales I think they will more than likely cut into Harley Lowrider s sales
A really good video Paul. If you're ever after someone to provide a second opinion I am not far away. I would be interested to know what the cost of a pillion seat, pegs, AND backrest is for both bikes. Maybe another video for those of us with our other halves! LOL
Cheers Graeme, much appreciated! Frustratingly, unlike the US, Indian Australia doesn't post pricing on accessories and you have to contact the dealer every time you want a price on something. I typically look at US pricing, then double it and add 15% :)
I’m having anxiety about trying to choose. I really, really, really love the bobber but I want to do some road trips. Nothing crazy but the bobber looks like it would break your back after 1h.
I’m sure the sport Chief is an upgrade over the Scout, but I wouldn’t say that it’s an upgrade over the 101. Entirely different bikes. I just spent time at the demo day and riding both back to back I’ll say it’s much closer when you set aside factors like cost. The fact that the 101 is fighting with its bigger brother and winning while also being cheaper is wild.
I have a Chief bobber 111 and had a scout previously- the scout was fast but the Chief feels like an upgrade, the torque, oh the torque- I increased lean angle with some OG garage mini floorboards and added a Memphis shades fairing- wouldn’t go back
For the highway or long distance I would take the larger Sport Chief, I owned a Scout and a Springfield Dark Horse.... The Scout is better around town and sportier riding.... Chief heavier and more relaxed engine...
@@randomspace6491 I always felt like it needed another gear. It revs more at highway speeds than a Chief which feels more relaxed, all subjective I know...
@DJPTEXAS I know. But that's just the rev range. Once you get over 100, it kicks back in and gives you more torque. It has way more power than you think it does. You just haven't used the full rev range. Around 70 in 6th gear sounds like it's working harder than if you went 40 mph faster. 😆. That's just the truth. Plus at 70 you aren't even using have the rpm anyways. So what it sounds like isn't what's happening. You aren't redlining it
@DJPTEXAS My point is, a scout will pull way harder than a chief. Especially when you are already going up to speed. Maybe not stoplight to stoplight like the guy said. Chief would win. You in the hill country area?
im 6'1" and looked silly on the scout as I was too tall, sat on the sport chief and everything felt normal. Its a bigger bike, period so obviously fit's taller riders
I get tired of hearing that tbh. I've had dudes tell me that even when they are like 2 inches shorter. No you don't look silly on a scout. You feel silly on it. See the difference? Trust me, no one notices but you. I'm 6ft and look fine on it. Your complaints of feeling cramped is valid. But you don't look silly on it. It's not that small. It's not a honda grom 😂
You have just provided all the power, torque and weight figures for the bikes. I suspect that the torque of the heavier bike, is going to have it off the mark and halfway down the 1/4 mile before the scout has a chance to sneeze. I think l know this because of the freight train type torque l had on my Yamaha XV 1900 road liner. I have ridden quite a few bike in my years of riding, and whike power at high revs has some advantages, instant torque is just unbelievable. I compare that to my BMW 1150 GS and my Suzuki Vstrom 1050. But let's see what you found out.
I am a little surprised that the power output on the 1250 engine is so low. It is obviously aimed at the Sportster S. As a package though, even though the Sportster makes more power, I would likely choose the Scout if I were buying today (I own the Sportster S so I am not talking totally out of my arse). The 101 Scout is a really nice looking machine.
The only aspect of the Scout 101 that I don't like are the handlebars. I think they need to be pulled back more....somewhat like the mini-apes that was on the Scout Twenty. I test rode the Sport Chief a few months ago and really didn't like the bike. Lots of torque, but also a lot of vibration, including that front wind screen vibrating all of the place.
Agree Indian needs to go to work on the Sport Chief / Thunderstroke to bring its performance on par with the 101 and perhaps more importantly the HD softail line. Particularly the very successful LRS or Low Rider Sport. I think the looks of the Chief line and Sport is good and on par. Handling suspension & comfort should be looked at but isn’t the key short coming. Yes they are all 3 cruisers not sport bikes but they are sport cruisers. And as such they should have some muscle. Especially relative to other cruisers and yes to each other. This is the main thing Indian needs to revamp about the Sport Chief. You gave it a generous 90 HP estimate at too short 4,200 rpm’s. Indian has already gave it a bigger bore for displacement & breathing and bumped the compression to 11-1 for more but still safe efficiency. This is on par with the similar m8. So what is holding it up? In a word breathing. Better cam yes and probably something that makes peak HP around 5,200 rpm like the similar motor and latest 117 m8 instead of 4,200. ie still a torque monster but not one that runs out of breath too early to make HP. To go with that and more importantly heads intake & a filter system that doesn’t restrict it. The old adage is the power is in the heads. I think the heads need a serious revamp that takes full advantage of the newer larger bore of the 116 and appropriate cam. Probably 4 valve heads as the others for greater total valve circumference for deeper breathing while keeping low rpm velocity. I have a 114ci m8 that in 2019 using all HD parts including same 11-1 compression. Warranty & U.S. EPA compliant tuner, cam, and S&S 2-1 pipe with catalyst which made, at the wheel 118 HP 122 TQ No reason the 116 TS could not do the same. Lastly I think review your comparison the Sport should come standard with forward controls like the 101 with mid controls being a dealer available option. No way the smaller 550 pound 101 should more comfortably fit a taller larger person than the larger torqier 668 pound Sport.
101 sounds like a bargain put up against the Chief, but then the BMW r18 is like 25K AUD. The 101 seems to be quite different to the rest of the Scout lineup, the Bobber, Rogue and vanilla Scout all look like they have previous models rear suspension, and same instrument cluster if you don't pay the additional fee. Have mixed feelings about bikes that are highly stylized from the factory. You can't really modify them as it defeats the purpose and thus they all eventually look the same once they start appearing on the road in any volume.
Cheers Rodriguez! Just a heads up... the reviews are saying the new Scout 101 rides very nicely and I even saw one reviewer call it a plush ride, but I did inadvertently switch the measurements between the two bikes in my review. The Sport Chief actually has the longer suspension travel.
I currently own a Scout Bobber 20 which I love, but there is no comparative build in the new Scout lineup. In order for me to take a Scout Bobber Limited +tech, then add the upgrades that would turn it into a similar Bobber 20 style, the cost would only be just a few hundred dollars short of the Chief Bobber Darkhorse, Between the two, I would probably opt for the Darkhorse. As to the comparison between the Scout 101 and the Sport Chief, the Sport Chief suspension is superior to the 101, at least in the US. The numbers are reversed with the Chief having 100mm of rear travel, where the Scout has 76mm. The Scout has about 10mm more front travel than the Chief which seems negligible to me. Also the quoted horsepower for the Scout is 111bhp. Since the Chief has no published HP, you have to use the dyno and they tend to measure whp. That's not exactly a fair comparison. I also think forward controls on the Chief could help mitigate any discomfort taller riders might have using mid-controls. Cheers!
I love your videos and especially the height emulating pics, but could you include a little bit more data points in the median range of male heights? 80% of the population is between 5'5" and 6'1" with a median around 5'9". I think if you included 5'7" and 5'11' in addition to your 4" increments, it would make many people happy. At least I would with my 5'11'" height for sure... :))
Well annalised. I'm not the first to say it- the chief needs the water-cooled 108 powerplus engine! And then they can overbore the engines in the challenger so said problem doesn't happen again 😂😂
The Scout has a large PEAK hp to weight advantage. Engines make power across their entire rev range. It's the sum of all that power across the rev range that tells the story. Torque to weight is meaningless. Torque is only meaningful if the rpm at which it's measured is given. For example, Sport Chief makes PEAK torque at 105.2 ft lbs at 2410 rpm. That means it's making 48 hp at 2410 rpm. The Scout is making less power at that rpm, but you really need the power curve to know by how much. The Scout 101 makes its peak torque of 82 ft-lbs at 6,300 rpm. So, the Scout is making 98.4 hp @ 6300 rpm. IOW, it takes twice the power from the engine and to the rear wheel to make 82 ft lbs of torque at 6300 rpm than it takes to make 105.2 ft lbs at 2410 rpm. The Chief will definitely be easier to take off from a start with a fat lady on the back without stalling. I just demo'd the Classic version of the Scout and may buy one. The guy leading was on a Chief and it pulled a little faster off the line if I just accelerated normally. If I wanted to rev it up and dump the clutch, I think I would have left him. Way different engines though. I love big thrummy twins. Very relaxing. This Scout is smooth as a cue ball and its revvier nature makes the bike feel sporty. I don't think one is any better for daily riding than the other, but it's different and it's fun riding bikes that feel different. Keeps things interesting.
Here is my experience with these bikes: They both have competent chassis’s that handle much better than they look. Both lack cornering ground clearance, the Scout is really bad. Both of these bikes have the ability to carve up the twisties but they are too damn low to the ground, it’s a shame. Both these bikes could be fun.
@ I like the FTR, great bike, I haven’t ridden it but I have ridden similar (Monster & SupeDuke). I like naked sports bikes (I owned several and still do). When it comes to cruiser motorcycles, I am disappointed by the limited lean angle. It’s not because the chassis can’t handle it; they intentionally make them low to look “cool”. It’s a shame; even a Suzuki Burgman can lean 40 degrees. Imagine both of these bikes getting whooped by a Burgman in the twisties - hahaha.
Indian needs to go to liquid cooled engines across their lineup. Performance with liquid cooled engines is so much better. I've heard Indian will announce in a couple of weeks that the Chieftain lineup for 2025 will be liquid cooled...it's about time. Indian will probably make the switch to liquid cooled for the Chief in 2026
After riding both Indian's Liquid and air cooled motorcycles I much prefer the air cooled 116. Some people prefer torquey engines, while others prefer horsepower. But you're right, the prediction is that Indian will eventually go all water cooled. For me personally, I will always have a 116 in my garage.
Why buy a heavy Sport Chief when you can have a lighter Scout 101? No competition to my mind. This is why they delayed a well performing, twin front disc Scout for so long.
Don't run so fast and trade up the chief for the scout, sooner than later Indian will upgrade the chief to keep sales up, then you be back trading up for the sport chief lol
This is a video on specs that you can look up and analyze yourself. There is absolutely no opinion or basis on riding either one from this guy, just a paper comparison.
'This guy' responds. We get new release motorcycles much later in Australia than other countries. What you're expecting from me is impossible, I couldn't ride them when I made this video.
Not ever should you buy a bike, a specific bike or not buy it. It’s all youtuber BS. All these people who think they have something relevant to say. The world needs no bikes, yes, even in deepest Madagaskar. We love them though and that’s why we buy them. And for that it’s a very personal thing that defies any guidance from anyone unless it’s obvious sheit. But such does not exist since the later 80s, And recently not even from china anymore, unless you go for direct import via asian platforms. No motorcycle is value aside from fun, false calculations say HD is best, BMW second, Rolex even better. Go elsewhere for return on invest - certainly not motorcycling, ever, any brand, unless used and still well seeked on the market for resell after 1-3 years, if nothing else happens to your world.
This video was not useful at all, an online comparison that any of us could do and then filming yourself doing it is useless. Go ride the two and then give your feed back.
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Mistakes were made... In the process of making this video I inadvertently switched columns when entering data. The Scout 101 has a 150 mm rear tire not 180 mm, as claimed in the video. And I also switched the suspension travel for both bikes. The Sport Chief has the longer suspension travel at 100 mm on the rear and 130 mm on the front VS the Scout 101's 76 mm for the rear and 120 mm on the front. My apologies, I will endeavour to do my best to ensure these types of egregious errors don't occur again in the future... but for now, I'm blaming my age 😁
Of course, when hysterizing for clicks, that’s what comes, and as that’s the business model for all wannabe influencers, that’s ya game.
@GiancarloBenzina If you continue talking rubbish Giancarlo, you will be blocked.
Just got a Sport Chief factory specs 122hp stock. Almost got the 101 scout not sure if someone added this otherwise great Video. Salute.
@@BikesILike @giancarlobenzina is typical of what is wrong with this world, a mistake that should have never happened🎯
@bikesilike you’re putting out valuable content for people who appreciate people like you!
Forget those snowflakes they got dropped on their heads too much times that they don’t know their arse from that empty space they call a head👍🏽
The sound of the thunderstroke with stage 2, indian cams is intoxicating! I’ve owned 2 Indians with thunderstroke 111, since 2017 and nothing else sounds as good! That pushrod air cooled engine has a ton of character. In my opinion these bikes couldn’t be more different! Both apples and oranges are round but that’s about it for similarities.
I have owned a Scout 101 for 4 weeks and am completely satisfied. I'm 184cm tall and the front foot pegs are perfect. A very relaxed ride. And the torque is absolutely sufficient on country roads - that's all it needs :-) The problem is in the minds of many (male) motorcyclists. Size, size, size. And Scout just sounds like a ‘beginner’ in the Indian model range. But that is absolutely not the case with the 101. It definitely towers over its big brother.
@@69horatioh the scout 101 rocks! It will be my next bike
I'm 6ft and I have the sport scout. I've been on 5 hr rides with it so far. It's fine. People just have major ego issues because they're insecure. Unless you are a linebacker, no, you aren't too big for it lmfao. Literally had a dude say that to me. While I was about 3 inches taller and I probably had about an extra 10lbs on him 😂
@@69horatioh just bought mine the 101 in white last week. Absolutely love it.
@ are you happy with the pipe?
That was the question i was waiting since the arrived of the 101. Thank you ! You're the one who finaly answer like a master. Great.
Cheers Hubert.
I had a scout before it was stolen and upgraded to the Sport chief. Its a big difference but I wouldn't go back to the scout. The extra weight and the larger frame of the Sport Chief might scare you away from it but its quite nimble and very controllable, plus tons of aftermarket support that can fit the bike to anyone!
I did demo rides on both and actually preferred the Scout liquid cool engine over the Chief air cooled. Good torque on the Chief but I felt like it ran out of breath too soon vs Scout making power across a broader RPM range
Thanks!
Hey, thanks, Chuck! I really appreciate that. 👍
The best I've gotten on my Chief Darkhorse has been 48 MPG. The best I got on the Scout was 56-57 MPG.
I demo'd every Indian bike 2 years ago. I know the Scouts have been upgraded, but back then, I preferred the Chief Dark Horse to all others. In sport mode, it felt more powerful than Scouts and FTR's and it was far more comfortable. I'm only 5'7" and the Scout still felt small to me.
That's interesting. I went in to buy a Scout Bobber Twenty but ended up preferring the Chief. The Scout is a smaller bike but I do find the rider ergonomics to be very accommodating for someone my height, 6'1".
Damn man as a new rider i just went to a dealership and Sat on both a Chief Dark Horse and the Scout 101 and i gotta say that Chief was intimidating, im 6’2 so it was comfortable to sit on but i just felt small i guess…..
were you comfortable reaching the stock footpegs on the scout? i wanna buy one and were the same height
@@parsatayebi No problem. I have a 30" inseam and reached just fine.
Love the real world comparisons, very useful info. Both amazing bikes. I own a chief bobber dark horse, and my last bike was a scout. Can't go wrong with either honestly!
Agreed. Already got a deposit for the 101. Just sitting on my hands waiting at this point
Love all your videos very informative and entertaining.
Thank you! Nice to hear.
As someone who is 6'6 "and never owned a motorcycle, I am in the process of studying my options for medium sized cruiser. I so appreciate someone finally talking about size on the bike. I am so hoping that when i sit on the scout, it feels good because I love the look. I am also really curious about the sciut 60
Love these side-by-side comparisons. You nailed every meaningful detail of both bikes. Cheers!
Cheers Guy!
I would choose a chief for the torque personally because I ride two-up with my lady. I'd go for the adjustable rear fox shocks too for that reason.
Isn’t rear cylinder deactivation automatic? I’ve never turned mine on or off on my Chief Dark Horse (I don’t believe there’s any option for this). It kicks on for me automatically when stopped in traffic. There’s a little indicator on the ride command.
No you can turn it off and on. It's in the manual.
disable Rear Cylinder Deactivation: 1. Press the right-hand trigger until “CYLdeAC” displays. 2. Hold down the right-hand trigger. “CD ON” or “CD OFF” will.
Interesting, thanks. Is there any benefit to disabling the deactivation option? Better performance?
@@torryc Personally, I'm leaving it off until I actually need it. I want instant response when accelerating away from the lights, I ride my bike in Sport mode. Try it for yourself and see which option you like best, off or on. ;)
Hey Paul, thank you very much for the video, excellent comparison and it helped me a lot to decide on the best model. For the Scout 101 to be a 100% perfect choice, a slightly larger tank would be enough, I would say that 4 usgl would be an ideal capacity. Congratulations on the video, excellent work. 🤙🏻
Picked up a sport chief 2 months ago, i love it!!
101 for me, for sure. I’m very serious about getting one, although I’d want the mids.
These two bikes are what I was really jumping back and forth between. I'll be paying off my Indian Challenger soon, and want to get another bike that's better for hopping around on. I'm super used to good power after riding my challenger for the last 65k miles, and want a bike that snappy and fast. I do plan on upgrading the exhaust, cams, and tune on whichever one I end up getting.
I’m 6’ tall and I just picked up an Indian bobber 20 today with the forward controls and I fit perfectly on it. I love this thing.
Before this I had a triumph scrambler 900 and I loved it but I got t boned by a car a couple of weeks ago now so I had to get a new bike.
I found that I had to put highway pegs on my scrambler because the mid controls would give me a twinge in my hip now and again until that hip flexor scratched out. So I’m really digging the forward control.
It’s going to take a little time and to get use to them as I’ve been riding my triump for the past 5 years.
I’ve heard a lot of mixed stuff about the scouts being this or that.. and the seat being uncomfortable or slippy, but the only thing I’ve found that I don’t like is I hit a couple of I guess bigger bumps that wouldn’t have been an issue on my scrambler that felt like getting a punch in the gut lol. So there something I’m going to have to get use to. Other than that I love it
Yes, the Scout Bobber Twenty's limited rear suspension travel would benefit from the optional Indian Fox Shocks. But first, make sure your current shocks are properly adjusted for your weight. ;)
Great indepth review, thanks for that 👌
Cheers Phillip!
I'd been looking at both these bikes and having a hard time choosing between them, so this was a really helpful video, thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Agreed! Anyway it is a 150 rear on the 101 I think.
You're right! Whoops.
Great video Paul. I am a bit of a traditionalist and love the look of the Chief but am impressed with the Scout 101. A tough decision to make. I enjoyed the days of just buying a bike without too much thinking and never regretting the purchase. By the way love the Lego and I have the Lego Fatboy ‘customised’ in a display case. Keep on keeping on.🖖👌
Cheers Steven. I have the Fatboy too! I think it's obscured by my body, I'll move it onto another shelf to bring it into view. I also have the Ducati waiting to be built. :)
I actually swapped some colours on the Fat Boy and made it look proper. I have the Yamaha MT01 to build next which I will custom build and change colours. I have heaps of bikes to build and bought quite a few from overseas that are Lego copies but amazing bikes.
@@steven_scattergood Hey cool. Good idea on the colour swap, I hadn't thought of that. MT01!! I didn't know that was available, I'll have to check it out. Cheers.
It would be nice to have a slightly bigger tank on the scout 101. Great content & video. Thank you
Really enjoyed your video and really appreciate how much research you put into the information you provided along with the quality and detail you proved , great work.
I was really surprised that the Indian Scout 101 is more expensive than a 2024 Harley Davidson Street Bob $24,995.00 Ride Away 114ci and I believe the fit and finish on the Harley is superior, of course this is my personal opinion.
Again awesome work
Regards
Duncan
I have considered the Indian Scout and Sport Chief in the past, however currently I am unable to get past my before mentioned comparison.
The last bit you said in comparison to the two bikes...👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Thank you. I needed to hear that. I'm on Yamaha Bolt and want to go to a Chief. However, I like the Scout. And I keep looking at the Scout as the next bike to have. However, I want something slightly bigger for taking a passenger with me on short rides.
Thank you! If find you're looking for even more longer-ride two up comfort, also consider the Chieftain. ;)
@BikesILike oh I've considered the chieftain. That's a lot of bike:) I would like it for the storage. If I went for a bagger, I may look into the Indian Springfield. Have you had some time with the Springfield?
@@Bandiccoot I rode the Springfield Dark Horse, very nice riding bike. The ape handlebar position didn't work for me on this test ride, I'd need to roll them back to be more comfortable. ruclips.net/video/xMBRqnZqjzM/видео.html
If I was buying a bike for two up touring, say for me and my wife, I'd definitely go for the Chieftain/Springfield (same platform) lineup. Probably a Roadmaster Dark Horse... Better seating, better screen, more features etc.
Personally I feel the Chief range may be a little cramped for proper two-up touring. Just my opinion. ;)
The Harley Davidson 1250 VROD was faster than its bigger brothers, so it isn't surprising that the Scout 101 is very competitive against the Indian Sport Chief.
That comparison and performance difference was entirely driven by the VROD's powerplant. A non-Harley.. Harley, and a magnificent motor.
I had a Chieftain and for me the heat was a deal breaker and I replaced it with a Challenger. My wife has an older Scout and it's heat is manageable. I'm now considering a lighter bike as I'm into my 70s and the Scout 101 is on my shortlist. My mail complaint is the tiny tank size as where I live there can be larger distances between gas stations. One of my favourite rides would require carrying extra gas somehow.
Great video. The 101 has a 150 stock rear, the Sport Chief has a 180 stock rear. I ordered the first 101 in Colorado. 😊
Cheers, John. Yep I see my mistake. ;)
I own a 22 scout...I went to the dealer to buy a cheif bobber in ruby smoke...I was disappointed to not love the cheif and rode the scout on a whim cause I was there already...I effing love my scout....for reference I was trading in a 2007 harley fatboy....I still own a big harley(2012 street glide) so I get that awesome low end torque when I want it. but the scout is my hoodlum bike ...I guess to make a short story long. you need both they do different things
I went with the 101 personally because I love the feel of the bike and how the power is delivered. That 20k otd pricing to be 1st isn’t for everyone.
If you’re the market for one and can wait til winter that’s what I would do if I wanted to save 1-2k USD.
Here in Texas, USA, I got the bike for msrp 16,999. + tax title licensing registration dealer prep and sales tax 6.25% brings my grand total to just under 21 thousand US.
I paid the difference in cash because I’m not financing taxes etc.
What part of TX? I'm in the Hill country area
The Scout 101 is definitely a valid competition to the Sport Chief with its lighter weight, more lean angle, DCT, more HP and more modular design. The aftermarket folks are going to love this platform and I'm sure in a few months a lot of nice goodies are going to be available. Same with tunes, with an aftermarket intake, exhaust and tune 125+HP will be easily achievable. While it certainly will eat into the sales of the Chief lineup, I think overall it's a win for Indian. They will attract customers from other brands, even if they lose a couple Chief sales to the new Scout. Also, Indian has to work on enhancements for the Chief lineup at some point anyhow. Many have been calling for a liquid-cooled Sport Chief, which would certainly be an interesting bike.
They're not even comparable engine-wise.
They need to put the Challenger engine in a Sport Chief type frame. I like that engine but I don't want fairings and touring bling.
Going to test ride both at the end of the month. Rode HD the last 8 years and Yamaha before that. I’m excited to try out the Indians
Quick question..price wise now they are the same as for promo on the sport s chief..would you still pick the 101 if priced the same?
Hmmm. That's a good question. Go for the 101 if you like horsepower. Go for the Sport Chief if you like torque.
I wish Indian would make a replica of the 1930 Scout 101. Some of us still love the classics, but want it to have the reliability of a new bike. The original Indian rounded heads on the engine would be the ultimate touch!
Great review as always Paul and don’t worry about a few little errors. You pack so much information into your reviews. I bet you are itching to get in the saddle of the new Scout range. The 101 really looks like it has it all. 👍
Cheers Paul, can't wait!
Hopefully bits crossed the 25 sport chief will base out with a stage one kit or a cam and power upgrade to separate it more from the base chief range to elevate it higher to halo status.
I think that the liquid cooled vs air cooled changes the riding characteristics. Both Bikes controls can be changed to make it more rider specific. Overall they are both amazing bikes. Incredible really it's Just the price difference and personal preference. As far as Indian Scouts cutting into Chief sales I think they will more than likely cut into Harley Lowrider s sales
Great job with the vids. Indian is on the right track with their new lineup of Scouts. They all look great to me.
Thank you!
A really good video Paul. If you're ever after someone to provide a second opinion I am not far away. I would be interested to know what the cost of a pillion seat, pegs, AND backrest is for both bikes. Maybe another video for those of us with our other halves! LOL
Cheers Graeme, much appreciated! Frustratingly, unlike the US, Indian Australia doesn't post pricing on accessories and you have to contact the dealer every time you want a price on something. I typically look at US pricing, then double it and add 15% :)
I upgraded from a scout to a chief. They're night and day difference. I wouldn't go back to a scout.
I think he's referring to the 101 model in particular. The general line up models between the two are indeed very different.
I’m having anxiety about trying to choose. I really, really, really love the bobber but I want to do some road trips. Nothing crazy but the bobber looks like it would break your back after 1h.
I’m sure the sport Chief is an upgrade over the Scout, but I wouldn’t say that it’s an upgrade over the 101. Entirely different bikes. I just spent time at the demo day and riding both back to back I’ll say it’s much closer when you set aside factors like cost. The fact that the 101 is fighting with its bigger brother and winning while also being cheaper is wild.
Was it a 101?
The 101 is not better then the sport chief. Lol not even close
Great review , i have a new 23 scout rouge , with TAB MUFFLERS on it , great bikes ,
Cheers .
I have a Chief bobber 111 and had a scout previously- the scout was fast but the Chief feels like an upgrade, the torque, oh the torque- I increased lean angle with some OG garage mini floorboards and added a Memphis shades fairing- wouldn’t go back
The scout was a slight reach for me, but it was still comfortable and able to shift/brake. I’m 5’6” with 30” inseam
For the highway or long distance I would take the larger Sport Chief, I owned a Scout and a Springfield Dark Horse.... The Scout is better around town and sportier riding.... Chief heavier and more relaxed engine...
Scouts were just fine on the highway. I can cruise at 80 no problem
@@randomspace6491 I always felt like it needed another gear. It revs more at highway speeds than a Chief which feels more relaxed, all subjective I know...
@DJPTEXAS I know. But that's just the rev range. Once you get over 100, it kicks back in and gives you more torque. It has way more power than you think it does. You just haven't used the full rev range. Around 70 in 6th gear sounds like it's working harder than if you went 40 mph faster. 😆. That's just the truth. Plus at 70 you aren't even using have the rpm anyways. So what it sounds like isn't what's happening. You aren't redlining it
@@randomspace6491 Ohhh I've red lined it lol...
@DJPTEXAS My point is, a scout will pull way harder than a chief. Especially when you are already going up to speed. Maybe not stoplight to stoplight like the guy said. Chief would win. You in the hill country area?
Excellent comparison.
Love the videos man. Keep up the good work
Oh snap! First🤙 love your vids brother
Thank you!
im 6'1" and looked silly on the scout as I was too tall, sat on the sport chief and everything felt normal. Its a bigger bike, period so obviously fit's taller riders
I won't argue with that.
I get tired of hearing that tbh. I've had dudes tell me that even when they are like 2 inches shorter. No you don't look silly on a scout. You feel silly on it. See the difference? Trust me, no one notices but you. I'm 6ft and look fine on it. Your complaints of feeling cramped is valid. But you don't look silly on it. It's not that small. It's not a honda grom 😂
You have just provided all the power, torque and weight figures for the bikes.
I suspect that the torque of the heavier bike, is going to have it off the mark and halfway down the 1/4 mile before the scout has a chance to sneeze.
I think l know this because of the freight train type torque l had on my Yamaha XV 1900 road liner. I have ridden quite a few bike in my years of riding, and whike power at high revs has some advantages, instant torque is just unbelievable. I compare that to my BMW 1150 GS and my Suzuki Vstrom 1050.
But let's see what you found out.
I am a little surprised that the power output on the 1250 engine is so low. It is obviously aimed at the Sportster S. As a package though, even though the Sportster makes more power, I would likely choose the Scout if I were buying today (I own the Sportster S so I am not talking totally out of my arse). The 101 Scout is a really nice looking machine.
This confounded me too. I know Indian could have made a more powerful Scout... Sportster S is a LOT faster and more powerful.
Sportster s handles differently. It's not really the same type of bike anymore
The only aspect of the Scout 101 that I don't like are the handlebars. I think they need to be pulled back more....somewhat like the mini-apes that was on the Scout Twenty. I test rode the Sport Chief a few months ago and really didn't like the bike. Lots of torque, but also a lot of vibration, including that front wind screen vibrating all of the place.
Price is huge for me. I’m buying sport scout in all black. Will be my first bike.
Agree Indian needs to go to work on the Sport Chief / Thunderstroke to bring its performance on par with the 101 and perhaps more importantly the HD softail line. Particularly the very successful LRS or Low Rider Sport.
I think the looks of the Chief line and Sport is good and on par. Handling suspension & comfort should be looked at but isn’t the key short coming. Yes they are all 3 cruisers not sport bikes but they are sport cruisers. And as such they should have some muscle. Especially relative to other cruisers and yes to each other. This is the main thing Indian needs to revamp about the Sport Chief.
You gave it a generous 90 HP estimate at too short 4,200 rpm’s. Indian has already gave it a bigger bore for displacement & breathing and bumped the compression to 11-1 for more but still safe efficiency. This is on par with the similar m8. So what is holding it up? In a word breathing. Better cam yes and probably something that makes peak HP around 5,200 rpm like the similar motor and latest 117 m8 instead of 4,200. ie still a torque monster but not one that runs out of breath too early to make HP. To go with that and more importantly heads intake & a filter system that doesn’t restrict it. The old adage is the power is in the heads. I think the heads need a serious revamp that takes full advantage of the newer larger bore of the 116 and appropriate cam. Probably 4 valve heads as the others for greater total valve circumference for deeper breathing while keeping low rpm velocity.
I have a 114ci m8 that in 2019 using all HD parts including same 11-1 compression. Warranty & U.S. EPA compliant tuner, cam, and S&S 2-1 pipe with catalyst which made, at the wheel
118 HP
122 TQ
No reason the 116 TS could not do the same.
Lastly I think review your comparison the Sport should come standard with forward controls like the 101 with mid controls being a dealer available option. No way the smaller 550 pound 101 should more comfortably fit a taller larger person than the larger torqier 668 pound Sport.
I really believe they updated the scouts first because of sales. I think water cooled will be next for cheif.
101 sounds like a bargain put up against the Chief, but then the BMW r18 is like 25K AUD. The 101 seems to be quite different to the rest of the Scout lineup, the Bobber, Rogue and vanilla Scout all look like they have previous models rear suspension, and same instrument cluster if you don't pay the additional fee. Have mixed feelings about bikes that are highly stylized from the factory. You can't really modify them as it defeats the purpose and thus they all eventually look the same once they start appearing on the road in any volume.
Are they both 6in risers stock ?
6-inch risers on the Sport Chief and 5-inch risers on the Scout 101.
Agreed on all points
Your reviews are first class. 🎉
So the scout has the suspension for bad. Roads plus the cool look. Scout line is Indian’s winner.
Cheers Rodriguez! Just a heads up... the reviews are saying the new Scout 101 rides very nicely and I even saw one reviewer call it a plush ride, but I did inadvertently switch the measurements between the two bikes in my review. The Sport Chief actually has the longer suspension travel.
@@BikesILike any idea if the 101 suspension smoother than the first generation of scouts?
I currently own a Scout Bobber 20 which I love, but there is no comparative build in the new Scout lineup. In order for me to take a Scout Bobber Limited +tech, then add the upgrades that would turn it into a similar Bobber 20 style, the cost would only be just a few hundred dollars short of the Chief Bobber Darkhorse, Between the two, I would probably opt for the Darkhorse. As to the comparison between the Scout 101 and the Sport Chief, the Sport Chief suspension is superior to the 101, at least in the US. The numbers are reversed with the Chief having 100mm of rear travel, where the Scout has 76mm. The Scout has about 10mm more front travel than the Chief which seems negligible to me. Also the quoted horsepower for the Scout is 111bhp. Since the Chief has no published HP, you have to use the dyno and they tend to measure whp. That's not exactly a fair comparison. I also think forward controls on the Chief could help mitigate any discomfort taller riders might have using mid-controls. Cheers!
As far as 2up, it seems like the scout 101 is better for it as well, with the slight extra travel. I wish it had a 4 gallon smh
Actually, read the pinned comment. I mucked up and switched the measurements. The Sport Chief has the longer travel suspension.
My guess is the Chief line is soon to see a major engine upgrade. When it comes I predict Indian will have a line-up any rider can stay in for life.
I've got a 101 and I'm 5'11" I feel like I couldn't be even a couple inches taller I would feel cramped
I like the idea of the Sportchief but the Scout is at least 10mph faster in the 1/4 mile.
Yep, if you're looking for HP and outright speed performance the Scout is the way to go. If you want torque, definitely go the 116.
The new 101 just looks so much better, especially the muffler. I think a lot of people will trade in their older indian.
I love your videos and especially the height emulating pics, but could you include a little bit more data points in the median range of male heights? 80% of the population is between 5'5" and 6'1" with a median around 5'9". I think if you included 5'7" and 5'11' in addition to your 4" increments, it would make many people happy. At least I would with my 5'11'" height for sure... :))
Excellent
Do you think 101 is good for two up riding. Space, suspension. Will need to add seats and foot pegs.
I'll need to see and ride one first before I could make that assessment.
I also think the new bmw r12 is good competition for the new Indian scout
I feel like the sport chief is a better option for guys that want to do engine modifications.
We all know guys running tunes and bigger jugs, etc.
This isn't surprising to me. I like the Scout 101, then the Sports Chief looks good too. I would choose the Scout 101.
Well annalised.
I'm not the first to say it- the chief needs the water-cooled 108 powerplus engine!
And then they can overbore the engines in the challenger so said problem doesn't happen again 😂😂
Sport Chief is Air/Oil Cooled and the Scout is liquid cooled. Gotta say they need to put liquid cooled on the Sport Chief.
Agreed!
Either one looks better than the new sportster
The Scout has a large PEAK hp to weight advantage. Engines make power across their entire rev range. It's the sum of all that power across the rev range that tells the story.
Torque to weight is meaningless. Torque is only meaningful if the rpm at which it's measured is given. For example, Sport Chief makes PEAK torque at 105.2 ft lbs at 2410 rpm. That means it's making 48 hp at 2410 rpm. The Scout is making less power at that rpm, but you really need the power curve to know by how much.
The Scout 101 makes its peak torque of 82 ft-lbs at 6,300 rpm. So, the Scout is making 98.4 hp @ 6300 rpm. IOW, it takes twice the power from the engine and to the rear wheel to make 82 ft lbs of torque at 6300 rpm than it takes to make 105.2 ft lbs at 2410 rpm. The Chief will definitely be easier to take off from a start with a fat lady on the back without stalling.
I just demo'd the Classic version of the Scout and may buy one. The guy leading was on a Chief and it pulled a little faster off the line if I just accelerated normally. If I wanted to rev it up and dump the clutch, I think I would have left him. Way different engines though. I love big thrummy twins. Very relaxing. This Scout is smooth as a cue ball and its revvier nature makes the bike feel sporty. I don't think one is any better for daily riding than the other, but it's different and it's fun riding bikes that feel different. Keeps things interesting.
Here is my experience with these bikes: They both have competent chassis’s that handle much better than they look. Both lack cornering ground clearance, the Scout is really bad. Both of these bikes have the ability to carve up the twisties but they are too damn low to the ground, it’s a shame. Both these bikes could be fun.
I've got a feeling you might enjoy the FTR ;)
@ I like the FTR, great bike, I haven’t ridden it but I have ridden similar (Monster & SupeDuke). I like naked sports bikes (I owned several and still do). When it comes to cruiser motorcycles, I am disappointed by the limited lean angle. It’s not because the chassis can’t handle it; they intentionally make them low to look “cool”. It’s a shame; even a Suzuki Burgman can lean 40 degrees. Imagine both of these bikes getting whooped by a Burgman in the twisties - hahaha.
If you know you totally mixed this study up. Why not straighten it up and reintroduce the real differences. Just saying
I didn't totally mix it up, but that's not a bad idea. Cheers.
Indian needs to go to liquid cooled engines across their lineup. Performance with liquid cooled engines is so much better. I've heard Indian will announce in a couple of weeks that the Chieftain lineup for 2025 will be liquid cooled...it's about time. Indian will probably make the switch to liquid cooled for the Chief in 2026
After riding both Indian's Liquid and air cooled motorcycles I much prefer the air cooled 116. Some people prefer torquey engines, while others prefer horsepower.
But you're right, the prediction is that Indian will eventually go all water cooled. For me personally, I will always have a 116 in my garage.
Why buy a heavy Sport Chief when you can have a lighter Scout 101? No competition to my mind. This is why they delayed a well performing, twin front disc Scout for so long.
Thumbs up!
Well done!
Don't run so fast and trade up the chief for the scout, sooner than later Indian will upgrade the chief to keep sales up, then you be back trading up for the sport chief lol
Indian is going to a 122 thunder stroke. Thus the change for the scout
Wow, that would be cool.
Is that official or just speculation?
car radiators belong in cars
This is a video on specs that you can look up and analyze yourself. There is absolutely no opinion or basis on riding either one from this guy, just a paper comparison.
'This guy' responds. We get new release motorcycles much later in Australia than other countries. What you're expecting from me is impossible, I couldn't ride them when I made this video.
@@BikesILikehence my point….
@@RMC2021 Yeah but I want to make videos on bikes when they're first released... not a year later. That's my point.
@@BikesILikeYeah - I’m aware of the “gotta get clicks” RUclips business model. Just a worthless video as I’m sure most would agree.
@@RMC2021 Wrong again.
Wasn't impressed with the 101 for 27k also colour choice is woeful
Mate you should sell Motorcycles you got the gift of the gab, I wana 101, see?. I love kTm😁.
Haha! There'd certainly be a lot more money in it, Jono. 😄
Not ever should you buy a bike, a specific bike or not buy it. It’s all youtuber BS. All these people who think they have something relevant to say. The world needs no bikes, yes, even in deepest Madagaskar. We love them though and that’s why we buy them. And for that it’s a very personal thing that defies any guidance from anyone unless it’s obvious sheit. But such does not exist since the later 80s, And recently not even from china anymore, unless you go for direct import via asian platforms. No motorcycle is value aside from fun, false calculations say HD is best, BMW second, Rolex even better. Go elsewhere for return on invest - certainly not motorcycling, ever, any brand, unless used and still well seeked on the market for resell after 1-3 years, if nothing else happens to your world.
no brainer
This video was not useful at all, an online comparison that any of us could do and then filming yourself doing it is useless. Go ride the two and then give your feed back.
How do I ride a bike that's not released yet?
I cant believe I sat through such a poor comparison between two bikes.
I can't believe I had to waste my time reading this comment.
Agreed!!