Should have been a sister ship of the Titan not a renamed Titan A. The Titan has a legacy registry no need to remove it just as it made it's hero ship debut. Also they should have evoked the Star Trek 4 by them teasing the Enterprise G but then show the Titan A.
A small correction to this Sean, while the Enterprise-G itself is not in Star Trek Online "canon" yet, the Neo-Con ship is. As it was the previous lockbox ship released... now being replaced by the Protostar which comes out tomorrow.
Enterprise A, was (as far I know) the only ship in the fleet to have 3 captains serving at the same time Kirk, Spock(who held the rank of Captain) and Scotty (also Captain).
Something that's never addressed, is that when Kirk was demoted to Captain at the end of Star Trek IV, he is probably a Fleet Captain, like Pike was. The rank is below Admiral and above Captain. It probably replaced the rank of Commodore in the TOS movie era of the 2280's and 90's.
I just noticed Scotty's rank on my recent rewatch of The Undiscovered Country. It's an especially nice thing to notice because I've been watching the movie for years on years on years
@@rickjohnston2667commodore has always been a rank it would be the first rank as an admiral above captain and fleet captain starfleet ranks have always been based off the us mavy
@@turtletube420 There weren't exactly many commodores between the TOS era and Picard, if anything it fell out of favour. Just as well really, as we had more than enough corrupt 2+ star admirals to go around.
Rank can be a bit of sticky issue. As I recall, in one or two of the books, Kirk had the rank of Commander but was the Captain of a smaller ship before he was made a Captain and given the Enterprise. Lets not Forget Commodore Decker who had command of the USS Constellation. In the Navy, the Captain of Sub's often hold the rank of Commander. Going back to Scotty, he was promoted to the rank of Captain in "The Search For Spock" and wore the Captain insignia in III, IV, V, and VI, VII, and his episode on TNG.
It struck me as kindof weird that the Titan apparently earned itself a legacy registry, but then they turn around and rename it Enterprise. Like, sure, make the new Enterprise a Neo-Constitution if you want, but why'd they have to go and do the Titan dirty like that? If they get any kind of continuation or new series or whatever, it should start with Seven and Rafi pulling into spacedock, and the dock master going "Pretty good shakedown, eh! Great. Now let's change it back to Titan, because the real brand-new, fresh off the line Enterprise G just arrived, and it's right over there."
@@sergeib1233 I've got some thoughts about that. I think it was a production decision. To be clear, I have no idea what happened. This is just my speculation on what might have happened. They wanted it to be Riker's old Titan for story reasons. but they didn't want to use the Luna class for it. The Luna class is a fan design for Pocket Books, and it's fine to have it show up as a background ship, or in a few episodes of Lower Decks. But it can't be the hero ship of an entire season. They pay Doug Drexler and Bill Krause good money for that. They don't pay Sean Tourangeau. The Odyssey class is similar. It was a fan design for Star Trek Online, and while it's fine to show up briefly, even be canonized as the Enterprise F, it can't be a hero ship of a series. Pocket books and Cryptic probably did their homework with the fan contests, and made sure that the terms of entry covered use within the games and novels, and that may have included the possibility of those designs being used by the studio as well, or at least provided an avenue to arrange for them to be used on screen. The fans are happy, the studio's happy, the licensees are happy, everybody's happy. But for it to be the hero ship... now you've got to either compensate the original designers more than they've already gotten, or leave them out in the cold, and face some controversy. Consider what happened in our friendly rivalry franchise: Disney, (or some rogue party within) not very long ago had a habit of appropriating Star Wars fan designs scowered from the internet for use in comics and other publications without permission credit, or attribution. These fans probably wouldn't have minded, would likely even have enjoyed seeing their designs show up in Star Wars. They might have even given permission if asked. But they weren't. They just went "yoink". So yeah, the whole arrangement might lead to a bizarre situation with the ship designs in-universe, but they probably figured it was better for all involved to go this route. Still no reason to do the Titan dirty, though.
@@sergeib1233 Cos the brain and heart of the Titan is in the Body of the Titan-A. Computers, Warp core, plasma distribution systems and the rings from the warp nacelles were swapped across. They explained it as a cost cutting measure due to how many decades of Federation fleet-wiping shenanigans they've been facing (plus the loss of the Mars shipyards).
The big "D"'s saucer with an updated engineering sections, since that blew up. New warp nacelles, upgraded interior plus that super phaser cannon - probably some kind of "Quantum Phaser".
I miss Shaw... That's really all I have to add. When he was mentioned in this vid I had a flash of missing him on-par with Jadzia Dax or Data (the first time Data died). Shaw was a damn good (if abrasive) character with a lot of potential.
I was hoping for a new class of ship to take on the name sake of the Enterprise but we ended up with the Neo-Con class instead, COME ON, the Enterprise-F had a more slick design then Neo-Con class, to me it felt like going backwards when they renamed the Titan the Enterprise-G.
Totally agree - the Connie is old fashioned and looks ridiculous compared to the evolved designs we grew up with in the 80s and 90s. Which TOS fanboy got to make all the decisions?
@@ashedarke Less pointy! oh please, we had at least 4 different Enterprises that came from Kirk's area, the original Conny class, the Enterprise A, the Excelsior class Enterprise B, the Ambassador class Enterprise C, the only one Enterprise that wasn't pointy was the Enterprise D.
I was having such a good time in the Picard finale that when the “rechristened” Enterprise G appeared, I was like “I’m just going to pretend I didn’t see that” 😀
I didn't think about the joke at the end until you said it. Wow, we really have had a lot of captains. NX seems to have been spared that fate. Also, equally sad I didn't connect the two Deckers until this video as you pointed out. As far as Shaw like Decker was captain during a refit. I think Decker had the better ending.
Odyssey class was so much better looking. I think my main gripe is that it's not built to be the enterprise but it gets the name for other reasons since the enterprise is the experimental ship with all the new tech
We're dealing with show-runners that hate TNG, DS9 and Voy - they didn't even bother watching them as made evident by nearly every single scene. They'd rather give us 4 different Kirks and 7 different Spocks than one new starship.
@@JohnnyWednesdayhow can you claim to be a fan of the originals, yet still not see you sound excstly like the people who screamed "no star trek without kirk!" when tng came out? If you don't like the new trek fine... But please stop pretending you are the one and only gatekeeper for all things trek and if not bound to your will, it must be hateful.
@@JohnnyWednesdayyes…. That’s why they greenlit a legacy show about Picard and have not recast a single main TNG character and in fact brought them all back together again. And made a sequel show to Voyager. And have another show that makes constant references to the TNG era shows. And have explicit followup to TNG’s Unification in Discovery.
Them making the titan an ent was an insult to the enterprise F and the sto community, and also the ent f did nothing except sitting there looking pretty
How can you insult a ship that was only on screen for around 3 minutes? That was the first and last time I saw the Enterprise F. The Titan -A/ Enterprise -G earned its brownie points and regular fans got to know the ship
@@marksouthwell4490 The ent f was made years ago for a star trek game that is quite popular(star trek online) it's the fed flagship in it, and most recent ships that appeared in the background also come from sto, then they decided to inclue the ent f and it did nothing, they did dirty to it
See here comes a possible problem. The Enterprise-G is christened in 2402 and there is an Enterprise-J in the 26th century. There is only 2 letters between the two, so either the G, H and I are in service for a really long time (which given the fact it now seems Starfleet has a very 20th century mindset of planned obsolesce and just dumps their ships after only a couple of decades) or there are massive frames of time where there is no Enterprise at all.
@@CaptainJonathan Ah thanks, I had a feeling I got it in the wrong century. And yes, it's way too soon. Given how they run through ships the G will be decommissioned come 2425-30
I did feel an air of disappointment when I saw the Titan refit to the Enterprise-G as you expect the flagship to be the pinnacle of excellence in ones fleet, but hearing that they are going back to exploration and hopefully stopping the yolo/plot armour of some of the stories might be a good idea, even against the Scimitar you felt the Enterprise-E didn't feel under any threat whilst the Titan would have to outthink the enemy rather than brute force or let Deanna drive it. Bring on Legacy (Make a fleet version rather than 1 ship so we can get more Worf)
7:19 there’s also another downside to The ship is getting ridiculous in size just going from say the front part of deck 10 to the bridge the bigger the ship the longer that will take and one thing that’s not entertaining is stepping out of the story while members of the crew get from one part of the ship to another. so bringing the side of the ships down again means it allows them to waste less time that could be used better telling the story. in other words it brings the locations on the ship closer together again so they can just concentrate on the plots that takes place in those areas.
Indeed. Have you ever seen the video that shows to scale the entire complement of the Enterprise-D grouped together and standing on the hull of the saucer section? That ship already is ridiculously huge!!
The biggest issue with ships getting bigger is just what is all that size being used for. Unfortunately, whether they say so or not, all that added size is NEVER really expounded upon in any given Star Trek series, TV,m Movie, Comics, or novels. This despite more often than not, the whole ship being mapped out, usually in tech manuals, to include a vast array of additional features and functions that are NEVER used or even eluded to more than once, if ever. That the Ent-D actually had a vast flight deck that ate up 2-3 levels level of the Galaxy Saucer and at least 40% of Each level but was never even discussed, is case and point. What is the point of making a ship larger if you are NOT going to address and USE that additional size.
@@amead78 A drain on resources, is relative. But as I said, you have to do something with that added bigness. Large class ships, like the Galaxy and Odyssey, should be the center of their own formations, as the command ship or mother ship. You can do a LOT more if you have say a dozen starship, most of them smaller , shorter range vessels, but cheaper and easier to deploy on masse, all attached to command ship. Those smaller ships, which would not have the facilities of the command ship can easily pull longer tours of duty. It also works out better than just having the "lone ship against the dark", which is actually NOT something any competent military would do. It also keeps help relatively near by.
The Naval history geek part of me really likes the idea that Titan got such a dramatic refit. In the interwar period there were a set of Naval treaties(Washington Naval treaty and then the London Naval treaty) that came into play as an attempt to slow down the then arms race of Battleships and cruisers by limiting tonnage and size of guns. As a result a significant number of Aircraft Carriers were in service at the outbreak of WW2 that were actually conversions from Battleships and Battlecruisers because the limits on tonnage for carriers was actually quite lax. This was still Battleships rule the seas era before Tranto and Pearl Harbour showed what carriers were capable of. Royal Navy's HMS Furious was a modified Coragious class battlecruiser that was a test hull for 18" mounts as well as other armaments. Then she was pulled in for conversion to an aircraft carrier and technically did operate with one of her 18" mounts in place so most heavily armed aircraft carrier ever? For context btw, the massive guns on Yamato and Musashi were also 18" guns. USN had the USS Lexington CV-2 and USS Saratoga CV-3 that were originally being built as 2 of 6 planned Lexington class Battlecruisers to counter the Kongo class in IJN service. They were converted part way through construction. The Yorktown class, which USS Enterprise CV-6 was one of, was the 2nd purpose built and 1st true purpose built Fleet carrier class for USN. And the Japanese had IJN Kaga. Converted from a Tosa Class Battleship hull in line with the Washington Naval treaty. Kaga was actually the replacement to Amagi that was the Hull originally to be converted but Amagi was damaged beyond repair in the great Kanto earthquake. So this idea of taking existing hulls and putting them through massive refits that convert them into something completely different to fit a new role makes a lot of sense and is nice to see still being suggested as a thing in Trek future. Side sad note, USS Enterprise CV-6 was the only Yorktown to survive the war to be dragged off and scrapped in the late 50's because of course you're going to take a ship your enemy nicknamed the "Grey Ghost" and not preserve it. That sort of travisty wasn't unique to USA though. We did the same borderline criminal thing with HMS Warspite and she was a vertran of WW1 battle of Jutland as well as kicked ass through WW2 🤦
As always, thank you so very much all for the videos. But I especially appreciate this one. (Even in an on-line world filled with Star Trek: Star Ship Information Videos.) It was concise, informative, and well presented.
Sean, do you think we will really get Star Trek Legacy? It seems Paramount is not encouraged by the franchise? I hope we get it! That would be too cool! And we need more than 5 short seasons.
I think they did the Titan A dirty, i wish that Shaw had survived (requiring Borg implants to achieve this) and the Enterprise G be announced as the second Connie 3 to be launched. As for the people who hate that the G is smaller and weaker than the previous vessels, its never been the case where the Enterprise was the biggest and baddest until the E and F were produced during heightened tensions between Borg, Romulans and Dominion. The key factor behind the name Enterpirse has been the quality crew that have graced those decks.
That's not true. Every Enterprise was the newest, biggest, baddest, ship of the line for that era. The A was replaced by the B, an Excelsior class. The B was replaced by the C, an Ambassador class. C was replaced by the D, a Galaxy class.
After a long time (Yorktown refit fan myself), I accept the new G, it's a good design anyway. Since it's an "exploration" ship... put on some carpet and turn on the lights will ya.
I edited this video and yes! Some of the stills I adjusted to make them a bit brighter but there were bits that I just couldn't use as they were in the many periods when the ship was on low power and everything was dark 🤦♂️ SNW knows how to light ship interiors. It's weird because how these sets are made they have much less to hide than they did in TNG, and yet they cloak it in darkness. Let us see your well made CNC fabricated sets!
One of the few things i dislike about Star Trek canon is the over-proliferation of different Class ships. Very few individual classes have more than 1-2 ships in it.
you realize that doesnt disprove my point at all, right? There's over 120 different Classes, so given a handful of classes would have multiples, but that still counts as "very few"
It should've been named the Picard. I watched the episode with 4 friends, and we were all extremely disappointed they just went with another Enterprise.
By this logic, you could argue Enterprise-A should have been changed to Kirk or James. There is something about legacy which needs to be held to. If anything, the other races (namely Klingon and Romulan) would remember to respect the ship with the name Enterprise. There are also a few movie lines where the crew says that the enemy will remember the name "Enterprise".
@@jasonsumma1530 well the thing is tho if I remember right the line before the reveal was that they changed the name to honer Picard going from that having the ship bear his name would be more fitting
The D had 4 captains,,Picard,Riker,Jellico & Thomas Haloway in the episode "Tapestry",,even though he was never seen,only mentioned.Some may consider that an alternive reality but he was still named as Captain.
FYI: Since you were even counting one off commanders of the enterprise you missed one. There was an episode in the original series where Kirk was rapid aging and Commodore Stocker took over.
I can't stand that they renamed the Titan. Naming it Enterprise G was a terrible idea! It's unfortunate that we have to live with it now, because it's a part of the Star Trek universe forever. I hate that they pushed the F aside just as soon as it came in!
okay, then let's throw in a funny little wrench: the Enterprise-D was restored with massive amounts of spare parts (including a whole differend engine section). so is it still the D, or should it get a new designation aswell? let's say: 1701 - D - A (since it is a refit of the D, but E is already taken).
I think D stayed as it is because the overall design did not change. It is also a bit pointless to rename a ship which basically was mothballed into retirement. If it wasn't for Gordie, it would have been left as a saucer section with several holes.
Yeah it's still the Enterprise in the same way Trigger's Broom is still the same one. Sure it's had a new engine, a couple of replacement bridge modules and all of the ssshhh controls on the doors replaced. But it's the same one.
Hi Sean. Ok, the Enterprise F was decomissioned due to wear and tear, but the class is still very relevant with 3 variants, and remains a popular ship in game for many player. The G was introduced about 2 months ago, and I play it - it's a lock box ship, so you might have missed that - it's exceedingly rare.
Yeah Star Trek Online has been firmly established since the introduction of the Enterprise F to be in a splinter timeline off the Prime timeline. It would require some rewrite of Star Trek Online's backstory and some recoding of their missions to once again make Star Trek Online Prime timeline compliant. I doubt Cryptic will do that.
The only reason the Titan-A is a "refit" is because someone didn't know what that meant and used it in public, digging the production team a big hole. If it was Terry Matalas himself, I call for immediate revocation of his "Star Trek Fan" card.
I wouldn't count Decker Sr. As a captain of the 1701. He wasn't posted as the captain. He never should have been in the big chair in the first place. He was just keeping Kirk's chair warm. I'm very curious about the J. I'm under the impression it will be an Inter-galactic generational ship? 🖖😁🤘🇨🇦
When I and most Star Trek fans think of Saavik, we think of Kirstie Alley, because she immortalized that role in the best ST movie ever. No offense to Robin Curtis. Or at least a split screen with both of them would've been cool too.
I'm sorry Sean, I was a paramedic on this day in 2001. I was in Denver, and I am proud of the service I provided to folks having mental health that night. And yeah I'm need help today.
The -F, stately rolls out to the cheers of the crowd, fireworks, our new hero ship has arrived... and promptly gets it's sh*t kicked in by it's own starbase. That's never not going to make me giggle.
The F was going to be decommissioned. Whilst that's our first glimpse of it, it was only getting dolled up for Frontier Day before the decommission. So it wasn't actually the unveiling of the new Enterprise as I originally thought.
Still leaving out the best tidbit of the Enterprise G. It's the 9th Enterprise featuring the 7th letter of the alphabet ... CAPTAINED BY SEVEN OF NINE!
@michaelobrien1106 My thoughts as well. And they have as always made sure fans have something to disagree on in the waiting time. With that ending they have left themselves with many options to continue with both a new trek series and a final end/transition of THG and Picard. And for sure there will be other Characters I would like to see more of. Enterprise G, hmm Seven will somehow be involved in making that ship famous and a hunch is that the Borg Queen ( Agnes Jurati) somehow will mix in occationally. In fact lots of stories out there still not finished and many not discovered yet. And stop all this timetravelling, it makes solving anything ludicris if someone can just go back and change it as they like. Oh and Data had a child that could not survive, now they can give her that body if they wish. We need new blood mixed in for the next generation of fans.
The enterprise-e was destroyed shortly after its deployment and according to the TV series the USS Enterprise F was also destroyed saucer section wise there was talk of an Enterprise G but I never saw it
So…Star Trek Online does offer the possibility of winning a Constitution 3 starship through lockboxes. So, while there is no “official” Enterprise G…the game does offer the opportunity to get the class of starship…so you’re only partially correct.
I need Legacy to get greenlit as soon as the writers strike is settled in the writers and actors favour! Jeri and the rest of the cast would be amazing in their own show!
I set aside my initial gripes with the Titan-A and its backstory and it began to grow on me, right up until they renamed it the Enterprise-G. Among a plethora of problems, it feels downright disrespectful to STO fans that the widely popular Enterprise-F design gets shafted to make way for the USS Fanfiction because the production team preferred TMP ship designs.
it's disrespectful to most Star Trek fans. The vast, vast majority of Star Trek content - is NOT TOS. We all grew up with TNG, DS9 and Voy - So why do we have to deal with constant TOS worship? where is our modern Enterprise?
@@JohnnyWednesday I find it so laughably disheartening that they wanted Season 3 to be a TNG send-off but they literally introduced the USS Stargazer, named after Picard’s first command, in the season prior. If they had stuck to that ship, no one would’ve complained or at least I wouldn’t have as I like the ship.
So tired of this trend of EVERYTHING having to be a "A" "B" etc. It used to be for stand out ships, ships that REALLY made an impact. No everyone is in a rush for the next thing with a letter slapped on it.
I've recently recovered a little something I wrote up many many moons ago, regarding Captain Kirk's alleged love life vs the reality, and it would be perfect for one of your videos, Sean. Where might I send it?
The neo constitution class is indeed available in STO.....I have had one for the last 6 or more months.. Available from lobi store... Don't know if still available...!
I call shenanigans. The addition of the A, for the second Enterprise, was because it was a DIFFERENT ship. It wasn't given the letter A because it was refit for The Motion Picture.
There's an ongoing theory that as The Federation Fleets get bigger. Tritanium isn't as plentiful. So unless a ship is worthy of conservation. It gets turned into the next generation of ships. This would explain why designs less than 10 years old are being decommissioned. Technology is expanding so quickly. It outpaces a ships service life. Exceptions to this might be the California Class. We are told they're like a toolbox. With secondary abilities we haven't seen yet. So the design doesn't need updating yet. ... I've always suspected the reason that it's shaped like a warp sled. Is so it can go around the saucer section of a ship and take it back to Starbase.
Should it be a Shangri-la II class and not a Constitution -III class? I would love to see variants of the Neo-Constitution and the Duderstadt class with their saucers swapped.
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Sean please never lose you enthusiasm for Star Trek you make it awesome
Hard when 60-80% of trek after 2009 has been bad. Love the nuggets of good stuff though.
@@jameskillbot2867fortunately they were speaking to Sean and not you!
Got to be honest … Luna to G refit???… kinda like saying E to Defiant refit
Should have been a sister ship of the Titan not a renamed Titan A. The Titan has a legacy registry no need to remove it just as it made it's hero ship debut. Also they should have evoked the Star Trek 4 by them teasing the Enterprise G but then show the Titan A.
100% agree
Sean is way to positive. has he ever criticized anything in Star Trek that's made it to screen?
It was utterly stupid. Could have called it the U.S.S. Picard but that's kind of pissing on Riker's legacy.
Exactly what I've been saying since the episode dropped...
@@sergeib1233 should probably watch his Ups and Downs content...
A small correction to this Sean, while the Enterprise-G itself is not in Star Trek Online "canon" yet, the Neo-Con ship is. As it was the previous lockbox ship released... now being replaced by the Protostar which comes out tomorrow.
"No you can't get a new Enterprise, we have Enterprise at home."
Enterprise A, was (as far I know) the only ship in the fleet to have 3 captains serving at the same time Kirk, Spock(who held the rank of Captain) and Scotty (also Captain).
Something that's never addressed, is that when Kirk was demoted to Captain at the end of Star Trek IV, he is probably a Fleet Captain, like Pike was. The rank is below Admiral and above Captain. It probably replaced the rank of Commodore in the TOS movie era of the 2280's and 90's.
I just noticed Scotty's rank on my recent rewatch of The Undiscovered Country. It's an especially nice thing to notice because I've been watching the movie for years on years on years
@@rickjohnston2667commodore has always been a rank it would be the first rank as an admiral above captain and fleet captain starfleet ranks have always been based off the us mavy
@@turtletube420 There weren't exactly many commodores between the TOS era and Picard, if anything it fell out of favour. Just as well really, as we had more than enough corrupt 2+ star admirals to go around.
Rank can be a bit of sticky issue. As I recall, in one or two of the books, Kirk had the rank of Commander but was the Captain of a smaller ship before he was made a Captain and given the Enterprise. Lets not Forget Commodore Decker who had command of the USS Constellation. In the Navy, the Captain of Sub's often hold the rank of Commander. Going back to Scotty, he was promoted to the rank of Captain in "The Search For Spock" and wore the Captain insignia in III, IV, V, and VI, VII, and his episode on TNG.
It struck me as kindof weird that the Titan apparently earned itself a legacy registry, but then they turn around and rename it Enterprise. Like, sure, make the new Enterprise a Neo-Constitution if you want, but why'd they have to go and do the Titan dirty like that?
If they get any kind of continuation or new series or whatever, it should start with Seven and Rafi pulling into spacedock, and the dock master going "Pretty good shakedown, eh! Great. Now let's change it back to Titan, because the real brand-new, fresh off the line Enterprise G just arrived, and it's right over there."
also, how do you retrofit an existing class of ship to an all new class?
Nah, I think they should find themselves in a bit of a jam and then Riker pulls up in the Odyssey-class Titan-B.
@@sergeib1233 I've got some thoughts about that. I think it was a production decision. To be clear, I have no idea what happened. This is just my speculation on what might have happened. They wanted it to be Riker's old Titan for story reasons. but they didn't want to use the Luna class for it. The Luna class is a fan design for Pocket Books, and it's fine to have it show up as a background ship, or in a few episodes of Lower Decks. But it can't be the hero ship of an entire season. They pay Doug Drexler and Bill Krause good money for that. They don't pay Sean Tourangeau.
The Odyssey class is similar. It was a fan design for Star Trek Online, and while it's fine to show up briefly, even be canonized as the Enterprise F, it can't be a hero ship of a series.
Pocket books and Cryptic probably did their homework with the fan contests, and made sure that the terms of entry covered use within the games and novels, and that may have included the possibility of those designs being used by the studio as well, or at least provided an avenue to arrange for them to be used on screen. The fans are happy, the studio's happy, the licensees are happy, everybody's happy.
But for it to be the hero ship... now you've got to either compensate the original designers more than they've already gotten, or leave them out in the cold, and face some controversy.
Consider what happened in our friendly rivalry franchise: Disney, (or some rogue party within) not very long ago had a habit of appropriating Star Wars fan designs scowered from the internet for use in comics and other publications without permission credit, or attribution. These fans probably wouldn't have minded, would likely even have enjoyed seeing their designs show up in Star Wars. They might have even given permission if asked. But they weren't. They just went "yoink".
So yeah, the whole arrangement might lead to a bizarre situation with the ship designs in-universe, but they probably figured it was better for all involved to go this route.
Still no reason to do the Titan dirty, though.
@@Anduril74871 ..😆 Would watch!
@@sergeib1233 Cos the brain and heart of the Titan is in the Body of the Titan-A.
Computers, Warp core, plasma distribution systems and the rings from the warp nacelles were swapped across.
They explained it as a cost cutting measure due to how many decades of Federation fleet-wiping shenanigans they've been facing (plus the loss of the Mars shipyards).
You missed that Riker was also formally made captain of the D during Best of Both Worlds Part II.
I don't think Sean was trying to do comprehensive list. Just showing that D also had others take command.
Field commission by the admiral anyway…
That massive Picard Head on the saucer was funny.
I wonder if Starfleet would adopt that way of identifying other ships?
I tried to actually put U.S.S. PICARD in the hull but the angle was making it difficult so I just stuck his head on there instead 😂
Sean is such a ship nerd and I love it.
They should have retrofitted D to match what was shown on TNG: All Good Things and left Titan alone
The big "D"'s saucer with an updated engineering sections, since that blew up. New warp nacelles, upgraded interior plus that super phaser cannon - probably some kind of "Quantum Phaser".
IF I remember right, the retrofitted D ended up becoming a dreadnaught class ship and more of a warship than exploration.
There's no proof that the G actually is the Titan...
I did not know about Ti-Ho (?). I only ever heard that Enterprise-A was a refit Uss Yorktown. You really do learn something new every day.
I always understood it was the renamed Yorktown 😊
I miss Shaw... That's really all I have to add.
When he was mentioned in this vid I had a flash of missing him on-par with Jadzia Dax or Data (the first time Data died). Shaw was a damn good (if abrasive) character with a lot of potential.
Love the Titan-A. Loathe making it the Enterprise-G. What a massive misstep on multiple levels.
Agreed 100%!
I'm sure they'll blow it up again and then we'll get a fresh enterprise H.
Imagine if they had taken the Excelsior and renamed it the Enterprise B.
I was hoping for a new class of ship to take on the name sake of the Enterprise but we ended up with the Neo-Con class instead, COME ON, the Enterprise-F had a more slick design then Neo-Con class, to me it felt like going backwards when they renamed the Titan the Enterprise-G.
I think Matalas wanted to go back to the less pointy ships. Personally I don't like the pointy ship designs so I'm with him on that.
Yeah, for me it's a big downgrade too. Want to see more of the F. 😁
Totally agree - the Connie is old fashioned and looks ridiculous compared to the evolved designs we grew up with in the 80s and 90s. Which TOS fanboy got to make all the decisions?
F was sooooo much better really don't like the g
@@ashedarke Less pointy! oh please, we had at least 4 different Enterprises that came from Kirk's area, the original Conny class, the Enterprise A, the Excelsior class Enterprise B, the Ambassador class Enterprise C, the only one Enterprise that wasn't pointy was the Enterprise D.
I, personally, absolutely _love_ the *USS Enterprise NCC-1701-G* 🥰❤️
This honestly pissed me off. Screw the Titan and it's own legacy, rename it!
I was having such a good time in the Picard finale that when the “rechristened” Enterprise G appeared, I was like “I’m just going to pretend I didn’t see that” 😀
I did the same with the Enterprise F 🤣
5:30 lol "grunge phase"! That helped cheer me up thanks Sean
I had remembered that the Enterprise-A was previously the Ti-Ho, but not where I'd read that. Thanks!
My challenge still stands.
Star Trek: 10 Secrets About The USS Enterprise-J You Need To Know
Bring it on, guys!
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12:35 you did not forget the time Uhura took command of the Enterprise in the Animated Series sir
I didn't think about the joke at the end until you said it. Wow, we really have had a lot of captains. NX seems to have been spared that fate. Also, equally sad I didn't connect the two Deckers until this video as you pointed out. As far as Shaw like Decker was captain during a refit. I think Decker had the better ending.
Odyssey class was so much better looking. I think my main gripe is that it's not built to be the enterprise but it gets the name for other reasons since the enterprise is the experimental ship with all the new tech
We're dealing with show-runners that hate TNG, DS9 and Voy - they didn't even bother watching them as made evident by nearly every single scene. They'd rather give us 4 different Kirks and 7 different Spocks than one new starship.
@@JohnnyWednesdayhow can you claim to be a fan of the originals, yet still not see you sound excstly like the people who screamed "no star trek without kirk!" when tng came out?
If you don't like the new trek fine... But please stop pretending you are the one and only gatekeeper for all things trek and if not bound to your will, it must be hateful.
@@JohnnyWednesdayyes…. That’s why they greenlit a legacy show about Picard and have not recast a single main TNG character and in fact brought them all back together again. And made a sequel show to Voyager. And have another show that makes constant references to the TNG era shows. And have explicit followup to TNG’s Unification in Discovery.
No, that thing looked like a sea slug on a teaspoon 🥄
Them making the titan an ent was an insult to the enterprise F and the sto community, and also the ent f did nothing except sitting there looking pretty
How can you insult a ship that was only on screen for around 3 minutes? That was the first and last time I saw the Enterprise F. The Titan -A/ Enterprise -G earned its brownie points and regular fans got to know the ship
@@marksouthwell4490 The ent f was made years ago for a star trek game that is quite popular(star trek online) it's the fed flagship in it, and most recent ships that appeared in the background also come from sto, then they decided to inclue the ent f and it did nothing, they did dirty to it
See here comes a possible problem. The Enterprise-G is christened in 2402 and there is an Enterprise-J in the 26th century. There is only 2 letters between the two, so either the G, H and I are in service for a really long time (which given the fact it now seems Starfleet has a very 20th century mindset of planned obsolesce and just dumps their ships after only a couple of decades) or there are massive frames of time where there is no Enterprise at all.
26th, but your point still stands. It's a decade or too soon for the G.
@@CaptainJonathan Ah thanks, I had a feeling I got it in the wrong century. And yes, it's way too soon. Given how they run through ships the G will be decommissioned come 2425-30
I have a feeling that there could be long gaps without an Enterprise.
This happened in the past between the “C” and the “D”, I think.
@@foxpianocovers This is true, the C was destroyed in 2344 and the D was launched in 2363, so almost 20 years without an Enterprise.
"J" doesn't exist ST: Enterprise was Riker on the holodeck
I did feel an air of disappointment when I saw the Titan refit to the Enterprise-G as you expect the flagship to be the pinnacle of excellence in ones fleet, but hearing that they are going back to exploration and hopefully stopping the yolo/plot armour of some of the stories might be a good idea, even against the Scimitar you felt the Enterprise-E didn't feel under any threat whilst the Titan would have to outthink the enemy rather than brute force or let Deanna drive it. Bring on Legacy (Make a fleet version rather than 1 ship so we can get more Worf)
7:19 there’s also another downside to The ship is getting ridiculous in size just going from say the front part of deck 10 to the bridge the bigger the ship the longer that will take and one thing that’s not entertaining is stepping out of the story while members of the crew get from one part of the ship to another. so bringing the side of the ships down again means it allows them to waste less time that could be used better telling the story. in other words it brings the locations on the ship closer together again so they can just concentrate on the plots that takes place in those areas.
Indeed. Have you ever seen the video that shows to scale the entire complement of the Enterprise-D grouped together and standing on the hull of the saucer section? That ship already is ridiculously huge!!
The biggest issue with ships getting bigger is just what is all that size being used for. Unfortunately, whether they say so or not, all that added size is NEVER really expounded upon in any given Star Trek series, TV,m Movie, Comics, or novels. This despite more often than not, the whole ship being mapped out, usually in tech manuals, to include a vast array of additional features and functions that are NEVER used or even eluded to more than once, if ever. That the Ent-D actually had a vast flight deck that ate up 2-3 levels level of the Galaxy Saucer and at least 40% of Each level but was never even discussed, is case and point.
What is the point of making a ship larger if you are NOT going to address and USE that additional size.
Here here!
Each Star Trek's Enterprise getting bigger is actually one of the reasons Voyager was purposely made a smaller ship.
That’s my problem with the Odyssey Class. Yes, it looks nice but the bridge is waaay to big. Plus, it’s a drain on resources to build larger ships.
@@amead78
A drain on resources, is relative. But as I said, you have to do something with that added bigness. Large class ships, like the Galaxy and Odyssey, should be the center of their own formations, as the command ship or mother ship.
You can do a LOT more if you have say a dozen starship, most of them smaller , shorter range vessels, but cheaper and easier to deploy on masse, all attached to command ship. Those smaller ships, which would not have the facilities of the command ship can easily pull longer tours of duty.
It also works out better than just having the "lone ship against the dark", which is actually NOT something any competent military would do. It also keeps help relatively near by.
Singing the name of the fabled Tibetan paradise to the tune of the end of the Silver Spoons theme song... as a RUSH fan, I'm just gobsmacked.
I want a show about starfleet detectives using a akira class.
Mmm yes, I want more Akira class please.
SCIS: Starfleet Criminal Investigative Service
The Naval history geek part of me really likes the idea that Titan got such a dramatic refit. In the interwar period there were a set of Naval treaties(Washington Naval treaty and then the London Naval treaty) that came into play as an attempt to slow down the then arms race of Battleships and cruisers by limiting tonnage and size of guns. As a result a significant number of Aircraft Carriers were in service at the outbreak of WW2 that were actually conversions from Battleships and Battlecruisers because the limits on tonnage for carriers was actually quite lax. This was still Battleships rule the seas era before Tranto and Pearl Harbour showed what carriers were capable of.
Royal Navy's HMS Furious was a modified Coragious class battlecruiser that was a test hull for 18" mounts as well as other armaments. Then she was pulled in for conversion to an aircraft carrier and technically did operate with one of her 18" mounts in place so most heavily armed aircraft carrier ever? For context btw, the massive guns on Yamato and Musashi were also 18" guns.
USN had the USS Lexington CV-2 and USS Saratoga CV-3 that were originally being built as 2 of 6 planned Lexington class Battlecruisers to counter the Kongo class in IJN service. They were converted part way through construction. The Yorktown class, which USS Enterprise CV-6 was one of, was the 2nd purpose built and 1st true purpose built Fleet carrier class for USN.
And the Japanese had IJN Kaga. Converted from a Tosa Class Battleship hull in line with the Washington Naval treaty. Kaga was actually the replacement to Amagi that was the Hull originally to be converted but Amagi was damaged beyond repair in the great Kanto earthquake.
So this idea of taking existing hulls and putting them through massive refits that convert them into something completely different to fit a new role makes a lot of sense and is nice to see still being suggested as a thing in Trek future.
Side sad note, USS Enterprise CV-6 was the only Yorktown to survive the war to be dragged off and scrapped in the late 50's because of course you're going to take a ship your enemy nicknamed the "Grey Ghost" and not preserve it. That sort of travisty wasn't unique to USA though. We did the same borderline criminal thing with HMS Warspite and she was a vertran of WW1 battle of Jutland as well as kicked ass through WW2 🤦
As always, thank you so very much all for the videos.
But I especially appreciate this one. (Even in an on-line world filled with Star Trek: Star Ship Information Videos.) It was concise, informative, and well presented.
I think seven as captain of the enterprise g is okay. But renaming the ship to the g. And bit honering captain Shaw or the titan name was a bad call
And this is still better than the Star Trek Day "special" 😅
Sean, do you think we will really get Star Trek Legacy? It seems Paramount is not encouraged by the franchise? I hope we get it! That would be too cool! And we need more than 5 short seasons.
i find it poetic that the latest Enterprise is back to being a connie
I think they did the Titan A dirty, i wish that Shaw had survived (requiring Borg implants to achieve this) and the Enterprise G be announced as the second Connie 3 to be launched.
As for the people who hate that the G is smaller and weaker than the previous vessels, its never been the case where the Enterprise was the biggest and baddest until the E and F were produced during heightened tensions between Borg, Romulans and Dominion.
The key factor behind the name Enterpirse has been the quality crew that have graced those decks.
That's not true. Every Enterprise was the newest, biggest, baddest, ship of the line for that era. The A was replaced by the B, an Excelsior class. The B was replaced by the C, an Ambassador class. C was replaced by the D, a Galaxy class.
I wanted 1701-G as an Eaglemoss XL model like yesterday. Nothing replaces 1701-nothing for me ever. I just love the retro of 1701-G.😁
Picard should have a space yacht named after him...
Then have it docked in the Titan's shuttlebay, for Captain/Admiral Picard to christen it.😊
After a long time (Yorktown refit fan myself), I accept the new G, it's a good design anyway. Since it's an "exploration" ship... put on some carpet and turn on the lights will ya.
The only change I’d love to see.. turn on the damn lights and let us see these wonderful sets!
I edited this video and yes! Some of the stills I adjusted to make them a bit brighter but there were bits that I just couldn't use as they were in the many periods when the ship was on low power and everything was dark 🤦♂️ SNW knows how to light ship interiors. It's weird because how these sets are made they have much less to hide than they did in TNG, and yet they cloak it in darkness. Let us see your well made CNC fabricated sets!
Beverly Crusher: You think they'll build another one?
Jean-Luc Picard: Plenty of letters left in the alphabet.
One of the few things i dislike about Star Trek canon is the over-proliferation of different Class ships. Very few individual classes have more than 1-2 ships in it.
Lots of galaxy, constitution, reliant, and excelsior ships across many shows
you realize that doesnt disprove my point at all, right? There's over 120 different Classes, so given a handful of classes would have multiples, but that still counts as "very few"
It should've been named the Picard. I watched the episode with 4 friends, and we were all extremely disappointed they just went with another Enterprise.
I agree they should have named her either Picard or Jean-Luc
So many people agree on this, that if they recommend this scene, I'd be 100% cool with it.
By this logic, you could argue Enterprise-A should have been changed to Kirk or James. There is something about legacy which needs to be held to. If anything, the other races (namely Klingon and Romulan) would remember to respect the ship with the name Enterprise. There are also a few movie lines where the crew says that the enemy will remember the name "Enterprise".
Definitely should have remained the Titan. That ship should have its own legacy.
@@jasonsumma1530 well the thing is tho if I remember right the line before the reveal was that they changed the name to honer Picard going from that having the ship bear his name would be more fitting
The D had 4 captains,,Picard,Riker,Jellico & Thomas Haloway in the episode "Tapestry",,even though he was never seen,only mentioned.Some may consider that an alternive reality but he was still named as Captain.
And Captain Riker, as he became appointed Captain by Admiral Hansen at the beginning of "Best of Both Worlds," Part 2.
I mentioned Riker
FYI: Since you were even counting one off commanders of the enterprise you missed one. There was an episode in the original series where Kirk was rapid aging and Commodore Stocker took over.
So will we see a show with seven in command and maybe see Janeway and the rest of Voyager's crew and maybe sisko as well.
I can't stand that they renamed the Titan. Naming it Enterprise G was a terrible idea! It's unfortunate that we have to live with it now, because it's a part of the Star Trek universe forever. I hate that they pushed the F aside just as soon as it came in!
okay, then let's throw in a funny little wrench: the Enterprise-D was restored with massive amounts of spare parts (including a whole differend engine section). so is it still the D, or should it get a new designation aswell? let's say: 1701 - D - A (since it is a refit of the D, but E is already taken).
I think D stayed as it is because the overall design did not change. It is also a bit pointless to rename a ship which basically was mothballed into retirement. If it wasn't for Gordie, it would have been left as a saucer section with several holes.
Yeah it's still the Enterprise in the same way Trigger's Broom is still the same one.
Sure it's had a new engine, a couple of replacement bridge modules and all of the ssshhh controls on the doors replaced.
But it's the same one.
Great episode!!!🎉
Hi Sean. Ok, the Enterprise F was decomissioned due to wear and tear, but the class is still very relevant with 3 variants, and remains a popular ship in game for many player. The G was introduced about 2 months ago, and I play it - it's a lock box ship, so you might have missed that - it's exceedingly rare.
Yeah Star Trek Online has been firmly established since the introduction of the Enterprise F to be in a splinter timeline off the Prime timeline. It would require some rewrite of Star Trek Online's backstory and some recoding of their missions to once again make Star Trek Online Prime timeline compliant. I doubt Cryptic will do that.
I wish instead of them calling the Titan the Enterprise, they should have just created the Enterprise class starship.
The Enterprise Refit NCC-1701 is by far my favorite. D, F, and G are beautiful also.
Enterprise G beautiful?! If they used the Constitution refit refit from Star Trek Ship Battles instead, I would agree.
A very ENTERPRISING video Sean!
The only reason the Titan-A is a "refit" is because someone didn't know what that meant and used it in public, digging the production team a big hole. If it was Terry Matalas himself, I call for immediate revocation of his "Star Trek Fan" card.
Great video, and don't take this the wrong way Seán it's admiration, but loving the Harry Mudd 'tache.
I love that Online gets some call outs. It did hold a lot together during the darker periods for trek
Great video Sean! Thanks for condensing and clarifying all of this information.
I wouldn't count Decker Sr. As a captain of the 1701. He wasn't posted as the captain. He never should have been in the big chair in the first place. He was just keeping Kirk's chair warm. I'm very curious about the J. I'm under the impression it will be an Inter-galactic generational ship? 🖖😁🤘🇨🇦
When I and most Star Trek fans think of Saavik, we think of Kirstie Alley, because she immortalized that role in the best ST movie ever. No offense to Robin Curtis.
Or at least a split screen with both of them would've been cool too.
I'm sorry Sean, I was a paramedic on this day in 2001. I was in Denver, and I am proud of the service I provided to folks having mental health that night. And yeah I'm need help today.
More of this kind of content, please. Actually, just more Sean, all the Sean. Plus Ellie, more Ellie
Sean and Ellie are fine, but I must admit that I am partial to Brie.
@@michaelmiller3012 they’re all great!
nice video about the Titan
That ship REALLY grew on me.
Seven is quite ressourceful, I wouldn't worry too much about her.
There was also a Commodore who took over when Spock, Kirk, and McCoy were turning old. Kirk referred to him as a “pencil pusher.”
Commodore Stocker in the Deadly Years.
The g need phaser strips, thats a sharp effect.
I saw a video where a guy did different strip effects, one being like a super charge release.
On your other channel WhoCulture ,guys, I would like you to say something about the wonderful TARDIS designs 😄😄😄
The -F, stately rolls out to the cheers of the crowd, fireworks, our new hero ship has arrived... and promptly gets it's sh*t kicked in by it's own starbase. That's never not going to make me giggle.
The F was going to be decommissioned. Whilst that's our first glimpse of it, it was only getting dolled up for Frontier Day before the decommission. So it wasn't actually the unveiling of the new Enterprise as I originally thought.
I love the podcast. YOU are awesome
When it reaches Z, it'll go to AA, AB, AC, etc.
He looks like Farva from Super Troopers. "Gimme a liter a cola"
Lovely video. Always watch your channel as it completely fits with my fan ethos. BTW, it's prerogative not perogative.
Probably one of my favorite Starfleet ship designs ever (Behind the D obviously). 😘👌
Hope we get Star Trek: Legacy!
Meh. Odyssey or sovereign for me.
@@JohnDoe-g7z8s Everyones got their favorite. 🖖
It's really ugly - the connie looks weak and thin and old fashioned. Horrible - give me modern trek ships any day.
@@JohnnyWednesday Just my opinion my dude. I like it.
@@noirangel6416- just my opinion also - did you not think of that when you jumped to defend your own?
Still leaving out the best tidbit of the Enterprise G. It's the 9th Enterprise featuring the 7th letter of the alphabet ... CAPTAINED BY SEVEN OF NINE!
@michaelobrien1106 My thoughts as well. And they have as always made sure fans have something to disagree on in the waiting time. With that ending they have left themselves with many options to continue with both a new trek series and a final end/transition of THG and Picard. And for sure there will be other Characters I would like to see more of. Enterprise G, hmm Seven will somehow be involved in making that ship famous and a hunch is that the Borg Queen ( Agnes Jurati) somehow will mix in occationally. In fact lots of stories out there still not finished and many not discovered yet. And stop all this timetravelling, it makes solving anything ludicris if someone can just go back and change it as they like. Oh and Data had a child that could not survive, now they can give her that body if they wish. We need new blood mixed in for the next generation of fans.
9:19 And there it is, right there at the top right of the screen - Enterprise Class.
thank you!...great opening..lol
The enterprise-e was destroyed shortly after its deployment and according to the TV series the USS Enterprise F was also destroyed saucer section wise there was talk of an Enterprise G but I never saw it
Shouldn't have been renamed Enterprise. FULL STOP !!
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canda.
So…Star Trek Online does offer the possibility of winning a Constitution 3 starship through lockboxes. So, while there is no “official” Enterprise G…the game does offer the opportunity to get the class of starship…so you’re only partially correct.
I need Legacy to get greenlit as soon as the writers strike is settled in the writers and actors favour! Jeri and the rest of the cast would be amazing in their own show!
I set aside my initial gripes with the Titan-A and its backstory and it began to grow on me, right up until they renamed it the Enterprise-G. Among a plethora of problems, it feels downright disrespectful to STO fans that the widely popular Enterprise-F design gets shafted to make way for the USS Fanfiction because the production team preferred TMP ship designs.
it's disrespectful to most Star Trek fans. The vast, vast majority of Star Trek content - is NOT TOS. We all grew up with TNG, DS9 and Voy - So why do we have to deal with constant TOS worship? where is our modern Enterprise?
@@JohnnyWednesday I find it so laughably disheartening that they wanted Season 3 to be a TNG send-off but they literally introduced the USS Stargazer, named after Picard’s first command, in the season prior. If they had stuck to that ship, no one would’ve complained or at least I wouldn’t have as I like the ship.
So tired of this trend of EVERYTHING having to be a "A" "B" etc.
It used to be for stand out ships, ships that REALLY made an impact.
No everyone is in a rush for the next thing with a letter slapped on it.
Actually the Constitution III is available on Star Trek Online via lockbox. I have made a couple of videos of the ship in game. 🙂
WHOOOWHEEE! What a trip!
The last seconds of this vid. 🤣
I did need to know that. Thank you.
I've recently recovered a little something I wrote up many many moons ago, regarding Captain Kirk's alleged love life vs the reality, and it would be perfect for one of your videos, Sean. Where might I send it?
The neo constitution class is indeed available in STO.....I have had one for the last 6 or more months.. Available from lobi store... Don't know if still available...!
I love those normally lit up sets. Such a shame they went with the burned out lightbulb look of the actual show.
It should be noted that the Enterprise (D) first met the Borg and now a (former) Borg is in command of an Enterprise.
I'm pretty sure the Const 3 ship type was in Starfleet Command as a frigate.
I call shenanigans. The addition of the A, for the second Enterprise, was because it was a DIFFERENT ship. It wasn't given the letter A because it was refit for The Motion Picture.
I love the USS Enterprise - G especially the Captain (7 of nine Jeri Ryan)
10 things you should know about the Enterprise G number one it shouldn’t of been rechristen. It should’ve been a Jean Shepard brand new class of ship.
There's an ongoing theory that as The Federation Fleets get bigger. Tritanium isn't as plentiful. So unless a ship is worthy of conservation. It gets turned into the next generation of ships. This would explain why designs less than 10 years old are being decommissioned. Technology is expanding so quickly. It outpaces a ships service life.
Exceptions to this might be the California Class. We are told they're like a toolbox. With secondary abilities we haven't seen yet. So the design doesn't need updating yet.
... I've always suspected the reason that it's shaped like a warp sled. Is so it can go around the saucer section of a ship and take it back to Starbase.
Favorite ships of Star Trek. The akira class, defiant, rikers enterpise dreadnought version from the series. The original 1701
When watching the final episode I really felt they were building up to _USS Picard_ as the name... (Which would have been better IMO)
Should it be a Shangri-la II class and not a Constitution -III class? I would love to see variants of the Neo-Constitution and the Duderstadt class with their saucers swapped.
I thought I heard that the reason they renamed the titan to enterprise was they didn’t have enough money to make a new ship for enterprise at the end?