when I tried to do this a week ago I couldn't figure it out even though I had the video running as I was doing it. now after many hours getting comfortable in the A-10 I was able to do this just by thinking it through and understanding the general systems logic. feels great. learning the A-10 has been so rewarding
Thanks for putting this up, I discovered how to do this on my own already yesterday, but it's a great thing to share. I just hope it is not a glitch... :) 1:03 You literally crack me up there :D - forgot to point out the bell button (second from the right) there though ;) 2:10 Also make sure you switch that center rotary on the right side to Area. This should stop the TGP from slewing off when using the Slave TGP to HMCS (DMS right long) command. You don't have to hold your slew command BTW. Just look in the general directon where you want to scan and slew then, the thing immediately jumps into your FOV then, since the slewing box there is limited to the HMCS FOV.
Yeah there are so many ways to mess with that thing it’s crazy. It’s hard to know what’s meant to do what and what’s accidental function. I know I still haven’t done more than scratch the surface on it’s use.
Nice trick,but I think the "intended way" is to have TGP as SOI, then use DMS right long (Slave TGP to HMCS LOS) and then set SPI with TMS fwd long. The benefit is, you can quickly glance at suspect enemy position, slave TGP to where you look and verify/prioritize threat, while still keeping the STPT/MKPT on your original target. So if this new threat is a higher prio you can make it SPI, if it turns out to be a non factor you can reset to the STPT/MKPT (original target) with TMS aft long. In the end it's personal preference, anyway, but it gives you options. 👍🏻
@@CasmoTV Yeah, just found out the TGP slews the SPI as well, as it is SOI. So you need to workaround with MK or STPT to keep your original target... But hey, it is a blast compared to old-school SA. I love the occlusion settings! Keeping track of the SPI position and donor SPIs through the floor of your aircraft is simply amazing.
@@CasmoTV Not sure if you can answer this, but based on feedback from real Hog pilots, the HMCS should have another element, the helmet video display, which can show you the TGP along with other thing in the helmet's line of sight. So, you can theoretically slave the TGP to the helmet and see a zoomed in area without turning your head. Now, my question is if the Apache's implementation works like this or not. Can you see the TADS on the helmet as you move your head around?
Ben Miller yes it is displayed in your HMD if you tell it to. It’s actually better than what I think is happening in the A-10 (based solely off of a video game lol) because it fills the whole eye. So your right eye has the (bigger) picture and your left of open air. I find the tiny screen in the A-10 near useless during The day. Too hard to make anything out. I assume it’s better in the real.
@@CasmoTV Sounds pretty cool, hopefully that will be implemented in the long awaited Apache module. As for the A-10, the upgrade is in early access still, the ARC-210 is going to come and Nineline told me that how much additional DL/TAD related stuff will make its way in the final product is up in the air. Obviously a fully implemented EPLRS is not feasible, but some really cool functionality is still missing, hopefully not for long. (Like seeing air to air symbology, or replicating the datalink markers on the TGP.)
Yes, it makes sense what you say that the way it's modeled in DCS might actually make the cursor move with your HMD and not move only relative to the ground once you even just slightly want to constantly move the cursor and it then moves with the HMD. I also doubt that it does that in reality and it's most probably a bug for allowing that to work that way, but anyway, as long as you have your HMD SOI and want to point at something else, you just go TMS down or CHINA HAT AFT and then TMS LONG to make the new point you're looking at as a tracking point for other sensors.
I do think this is intended and not a glitch but only Eagle Dynamics will be able to say. If you think about it logically, when you make the HMS SOI, any input you do will display on the HMS as intended if the function is there. So when you said "by moving the SPI, it is uncaged while moving", this is actually accurate. Neat little trick and nice find :), wonder if it works like this in the real A-10C II
I struggle to recenter my TGP somehow. It used to be CH Aft L, but somehow it activates the LSS and doesn´t work anymore?!? Checked my keys as well - all good. What am I doing wrong?
As intended dude. It’s called a head mounted cue for a reason. You don’t have to use the stick. Tms right long will do the same under the reticle. This is called URC, under reticle cueing. You also have TUC , which is what you’re doing, target under cursor.
Yeah it’s kinda the same thing I guess. Only difference being that it’s not slaved to the center of your HMCS. potatoes to potatoes I guess. Lots of funky ways to use the thing. I kinda like this way as I can easily slew it vs having to move my head completely in line with the object, which can be tough under track IR zoomed in. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@CasmoTV yea both are intended to be used. Slew to an area with the URC slam the TGP over there, fine tune it with the TUC, comms switch DLNK it to the flight. thats not in there yet. all together. Fused sensors.
Hey can u say which flight co trolls u using to slew tgp around, I see u can make circles with no blocking Y or X, when I do this my X or Y , blocking and I need to release mini stick and start moving slew again ....
Yeah I think it’s just a byproduct. Too wonky to be intended. In the Apache we can slave to HMD then unslave when you find something. This seems to be the closest work around.
cool method, but I prefer using the TGP as soi and moving it that way. Obviously it's in a smaller area but when expanding on a search area works great for me! Maybe ill try this!
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when I tried to do this a week ago I couldn't figure it out even though I had the video running as I was doing it.
now after many hours getting comfortable in the A-10 I was able to do this just by thinking it through and understanding the general systems logic. feels great. learning the A-10 has been so rewarding
Thanks for putting this up, I discovered how to do this on my own already yesterday, but it's a great thing to share. I just hope it is not a glitch... :)
1:03 You literally crack me up there :D - forgot to point out the bell button (second from the right) there though ;)
2:10 Also make sure you switch that center rotary on the right side to Area. This should stop the TGP from slewing off when using the Slave TGP to HMCS (DMS right long) command.
You don't have to hold your slew command BTW. Just look in the general directon where you want to scan and slew then, the thing immediately jumps into your FOV then, since the slewing box there is limited to the HMCS FOV.
Yeah there are so many ways to mess with that thing it’s crazy. It’s hard to know what’s meant to do what and what’s accidental function. I know I still haven’t done more than scratch the surface on it’s use.
Nice trick,but I think the "intended way" is to have TGP as SOI, then use DMS right long (Slave TGP to HMCS LOS) and then set SPI with TMS fwd long. The benefit is, you can quickly glance at suspect enemy position, slave TGP to where you look and verify/prioritize threat, while still keeping the STPT/MKPT on your original target. So if this new threat is a higher prio you can make it SPI, if it turns out to be a non factor you can reset to the STPT/MKPT (original target) with TMS aft long.
In the end it's personal preference, anyway, but it gives you options. 👍🏻
Apaches let you Slave to HMD so this is fairly similar. It’s all about what you like to do with it.
@@CasmoTV Yeah, just found out the TGP slews the SPI as well, as it is SOI. So you need to workaround with MK or STPT to keep your original target... But hey, it is a blast compared to old-school SA. I love the occlusion settings! Keeping track of the SPI position and donor SPIs through the floor of your aircraft is simply amazing.
@@CasmoTV Not sure if you can answer this, but based on feedback from real Hog pilots, the HMCS should have another element, the helmet video display, which can show you the TGP along with other thing in the helmet's line of sight. So, you can theoretically slave the TGP to the helmet and see a zoomed in area without turning your head. Now, my question is if the Apache's implementation works like this or not. Can you see the TADS on the helmet as you move your head around?
Ben Miller yes it is displayed in your HMD if you tell it to. It’s actually better than what I think is happening in the A-10 (based solely off of a video game lol) because it fills the whole eye. So your right eye has the (bigger) picture and your left of open air. I find the tiny screen in the A-10 near useless during The day. Too hard to make anything out. I assume it’s better in the real.
@@CasmoTV Sounds pretty cool, hopefully that will be implemented in the long awaited Apache module. As for the A-10, the upgrade is in early access still, the ARC-210 is going to come and Nineline told me that how much additional DL/TAD related stuff will make its way in the final product is up in the air. Obviously a fully implemented EPLRS is not feasible, but some really cool functionality is still missing, hopefully not for long. (Like seeing air to air symbology, or replicating the datalink markers on the TGP.)
Yes, it makes sense what you say that the way it's modeled in DCS might actually make the cursor move with your HMD and not move only relative to the ground once you even just slightly want to constantly move the cursor and it then moves with the HMD. I also doubt that it does that in reality and it's most probably a bug for allowing that to work that way, but anyway, as long as you have your HMD SOI and want to point at something else, you just go TMS down or CHINA HAT AFT and then TMS LONG to make the new point you're looking at as a tracking point for other sensors.
This is great! Thanks so much for sharing!!!!
I do think this is intended and not a glitch but only Eagle Dynamics will be able to say. If you think about it logically, when you make the HMS SOI, any input you do will display on the HMS as intended if the function is there. So when you said "by moving the SPI, it is uncaged while moving", this is actually accurate. Neat little trick and nice find :), wonder if it works like this in the real A-10C II
Great!!!! I needed this!!
Nice find!
Nice! 👍
Can u tell me what your slew sensor setting is? Mine seems so erratic
I struggle to recenter my TGP somehow. It used to be CH Aft L, but somehow it activates the LSS and doesn´t work anymore?!? Checked my keys as well - all good. What am I doing wrong?
Apparently you can’t anymore? I haven’t flown the -10 in a while but with the upgrade you lose that capability. Have to reset the system. Kinda dumb
As intended dude. It’s called a head mounted cue for a reason. You don’t have to use the stick. Tms right long will do the same under the reticle. This is called URC, under reticle cueing. You also have TUC , which is what you’re doing, target under cursor.
Yeah it’s kinda the same thing I guess. Only difference being that it’s not slaved to the center of your HMCS. potatoes to potatoes I guess. Lots of funky ways to use the thing. I kinda like this way as I can easily slew it vs having to move my head completely in line with the object, which can be tough under track IR zoomed in.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@CasmoTV yea both are intended to be used. Slew to an area with the URC slam the TGP over there, fine tune it with the TUC, comms switch DLNK it to the flight. thats not in there yet. all together. Fused sensors.
Haven’t had any luck with TMS right long. Other guys report the same. Wonder if there is a glitch. My technique works tho 🤷🏻♂️
CasmoTV weak. Dms and tms transposed. Try that. Also Soi hmcs with hud in sight is not working well. Hope they iron it out.
CasmoTV ☮️ I think it’s got ED
@CasmoTv do that again, have the right MFD on Tpod…but before doing so…just press DMS LEFT SHORT.
You had me at "subscribe button", fuckin' A 🙂
Hey can u say which flight co trolls u using to slew tgp around, I see u can make circles with no blocking Y or X, when I do this my X or Y , blocking and I need to release mini stick and start moving slew again ....
I have a thrustmaster T16000M and I use the ministick on the throttle for TGP slew control.
You can bind the slew under axis controls instead of HOTAS
@@Buri13 I wanna use ministick ass 4way hat ..., coz it's not blocking movement of tgp radar etc ..., but I don't know how to make it ..
Aw, I was hoping this would be like the Ka-50 where you can actually slave the SHKVAL to the HMS.
Can’t win em all.
Wdym? DMS right long slaves TGP to HMD as it's held.
Knowing how other targeting systems work (like the laser in the SU25) I wouldn't be surprised if this was an actual intended function.
EDIT: Wouldn't
Yeah I think it’s just a byproduct. Too wonky to be intended. In the Apache we can slave to HMD then unslave when you find something. This seems to be the closest work around.
cool method, but I prefer using the TGP as soi and moving it that way. Obviously it's in a smaller area but when expanding on a search area works great for me! Maybe ill try this!
Million ways to skin the cat. Whatever gets warheads in foreheads.