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I thought of myself as a "car guy", but designing your own block to improve on existing manufacturer's designs seems to be next level stuff. Oskari sure knows his stuff!
Im more interested in engineering than racing. I think F1 should constantly change things up like go to 2L 3 cyl 2 stroke sump lubricated for a couple of years. Then do 1L V6 Deisel for a few years. Force them to think up radical engineering solutions.
This 4 cylinder, which makes 3k hp, makes about 750hp... per cylinder... that's insane, in one cylinder this engine makes more power than some modern supercars
Also the amount of things needed to stop this car and make it go straight is mind boggling.. and the suspension and fuel costs.. now if it can run off used restaurant oil. Now we are talking..
From an engineering and design aspect, this blows my mind away, I cannot believe the amount of time and effort that must have gone into the design process, phenomenal
When he said "from Finland" my first thought was that I must misheard, but when oskari started talking and all those hand movements came along, then I realized that he is a Finn.
This engineer is the kind of guy who we enjoy listening to because he has the knowledge and the passion to make these amazing engines relatable to the general person. Nice interview.
Another winning video guys. Keep em coming! Watching these feels like finally scratching that itch that was just outta reach. Hours of mindless car content available and you guys are the only ones able to produce content that scratches that itch. Thank you for what you do.
Time to up the production value by adding more cameras! I'd like to see the engine as he's describing it. You'll get a lot more views which is the whole point.
This is the only thing what these interviews are missing, however he's such a good interviewer and nerdy and always backs up his questions with another good one
Oskar will be stoked to hear that mate! This was an excellent chat. You've probably seen it but we were lucky enough to do a podcast episode with him too which we really enjoyed as well. Hope you enjoy many, many years of engine building and the constant satisfaction from learning. It can be a bit of a rabbithole in all the eight ways 😎 - Taz
I have a UTI degree including the Mercedes-Benz program, and I think I know a bit about cars. These people know more about exhaust valves than I know about cars, period.
These guys are mechanical engineers, they need to know about the R&D for an exhaust valve, its what engineers do. Auto technicians won't need to know much about anything in detail pertaining to cars. It's just not necessary, not even for ASE Master Certs.
@@ChargedTTq it is when you actually earn it instead of thinking about it like you do. Stop criticizing people, get out there and make something of your life. Just because you have your limits does not mean everyone else in the world has the same... Peasant.
Usually factory cars have double the cylinder count compared to displacement, for the best emissions (example most 4 cylinders are 2.0L, 6 cylinders are 3.0, ) I guess if you don’t have to worry about emissions requirements, like in racing, you can do almost anything. Great interview by the way, the guy genuinely loves what he is talking about and it shows by how well he speaks about it and how knowledgeable he is about the engine 👍
I think they should let him work his magic, if he says it can rev to 10k then do it, if he says longer stroke, okay, if he says it runs best on urine, id want him to test on another engine first.
03:11 Originally this would have been a 3,0L engine, which at the time was the largest and most powerful production four cylinder engine. Porsches own rating of the engine was 240 hp and 305 Nm, whereas dynotesting suggests that these numbers were very conservative. With high-quality fuel, stock examples in good condition usually show figures closer to 260hp. Personally I've witnessed an otherwise completely stock example fitted with a custom exhaust make 278hp on the dyno.
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Sounds like abeast. Being an inline 4, it can use the offcenter crankshaft w/dual balanceshafts strategy that has become so dominant in todays racing competition. Waiting for the valveless, dual crankshaft designs.
6061 aluminum is actually pretty heavy, i had a cnc shop make me a item for racing a while ago and i was surprised at the weight it was, its stronger and lighter than steel the shop told me.
Actually you can get billet "standart" blocks that have used many times before with stock shaped heads for way less. Should start around 20k or maybe even less. Like an 4g63.
More mechanical engineer than scientist, although material science/engineering would be a heavy factory in testing the alloys to make this all possible.
But the difference between the aluminum billet & cast iron is MASSIVE though. You can go from 200 hp to 1300 hp easily :) Too bad the crazy aluminums aren't castable.. I want an all aluminum aircraft engine :)
For the average enthusiast, you don't need a billet block you need better tuning and more experience behind the wheel of your combination before changing it. In Drag Racing lots can be gained from improving short time. Example the power has always been there to run single digits in almost every FWD or AWD compact car, the problem has been not the hardcore, but the average person who isn't hardcore but want the results of somebody that is singularly focused. Given 3000-3400 lbs of the average compact car you need between 500-600 hp to go really fast, low 10's, high 9's do you really need your car to go faster than that?
So what are the external dimensions and weight of the whole thing, exhaust, turbos, and all? 106KG for everything, or just the billet block? Seems like a lot of trouble for 1500hp.
hey you can make the rods from really nice steel alloy skeleton rod, plug the ends and cast them in the billet material then cut and pull the plugs, separate them and machine them out , then they won't stretch, or just use titanium.
3000hp is pretty impressive number from a 244ci engine. I would be curious to know on what kind of fuel it would achieve this? I realize there are a plethora of variables. I'm impressed because, if you increased this engine to 500ci roughly twice the size (NHRA Top Fuel Displacement) it would produce 6,147hp. 6 bar is 87psi!! What fuel would work with that kind of boost pressure? Timing is a HUGE issue how does it work....lol. Thanks. I'm a fan of all things Horsepower😊
For a drag application at the target of 3000 hp we would assume someone would be most likely running on methanol fuel. Methanol has a very high octane rating and a high latent heat of evaporation which means it also has a large cooling effect on the charge temperature.
I ran some numbers...116mm bore x 94mm stroke. 3974cc. ~48mm intake valves. full race setup should produce 650 bhp @ 9500 rpm naturally aspirated. 5 bar boost...3000 bhp. I'm sure it can do that...for a very short time. it must shake like a bitch!
Nestor Urias they had some issues getting engine ready in time for wtac 2017, so they ran their older engine instead. Link above my post is not this engine.
I think the 3000 hp refers to the calculated hp the block can resist, the way you make the boost and what fuel you use to make it happen its up to the end user, if you look billet block specs all of them have a estimate of the amount of hp that the block can take, the problem comes to actually making a set up where you can make those 3000 hp, if it interest you look up australian drag racing teams that use four cylinders and in line six blocks they make that kind of hp in their race cars using billet blocks like this one
@@scottgregory9672 engineswapdepot.com/?p=30227 look up jett racing they run smaller engines than this one and make up to 2000 hp using racing fuel and a ton of boost they are some of the fastets four cylinders in the world and they use billet blocks that are made very similarly to this one
Some of the specifically blended race fuels could also be workable but typically in very high boost, high specific output engines, methanol is still the go-to fuel.
It would fair as well as any other well built 500-700hp daily driver engine 😉 Bit overkill using something like this for that application though in all fairness - Taz.
All this talk of engine power and design But never any mention of fuel It’s amazing the difference proper fuel design goes into making power for a certain boost and rev range It’s a very misunderstood facet and needs to be considered if fuel is a somewhat open rule
it needs a cold air intake, atleast 2 and a half inch in diameter for max flow rate. and it needs a dc header for maximum exhaust flow out. and then last, about a 75 shot of nitrous for optimum horsepower gain. i have a 1993 acura integra ls. i know a thing or 2 about high power 4 cylinder. feel free to ask me if you need any help.
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You: “What’s the rebuild interval km?”
Him: “Saturdays” 😂
I think he said 'saturday', so it could be "tomorrows".
I love that we got to hear from an engineer rather than a marketing guy. Great video here.
Same thing I was thinking ! It was very interesting because he knew what he was talking about from the heart.
I think Oskar and his brother are the engineers of this engine. Check their facebook page. facebook.com/ElmerRacingDotCom/
All I herd is skinny rods👎 not reliable at all
@@nathancampbell3094 as reliable as your ability to spell heard
indeed, my thoughts exactly; these are terrific interviews
I thought of myself as a "car guy", but designing your own block to improve on existing manufacturer's designs seems to be next level stuff. Oskari sure knows his stuff!
This is like drugs for those of us who not only love racing, but who also enjoy and appreciate the time spent on race engineering.
Im more interested in engineering than racing. I think F1 should constantly change things up like go to 2L 3 cyl 2 stroke sump lubricated for a couple of years. Then do 1L V6 Deisel for a few years. Force them to think up radical engineering solutions.
This 4 cylinder, which makes 3k hp, makes about 750hp... per cylinder... that's insane, in one cylinder this engine makes more power than some modern supercars
For how long?
@@jessjohnson8576 as long as its set up with short stroke and large bore, it could last years and years
Also the amount of things needed to stop this car and make it go straight is mind boggling.. and the suspension and fuel costs.. now if it can run off used restaurant oil. Now we are talking..
@@jessjohnson8576plus parachutes and more
You know they are hardcore when the have a little cut-out on the block to ensure proper clamping force.
11:50
It’s a 4L 4cylinder usually those numbers never meet
And 10,000 RPMS.....
In texas there a dragster with a 500ci 4 cylinder running on nitro methane
@@kylelaughinghouse1893 i was thinking those numbers are pre ww2
1l per cilinder wtf
Sounds like the beginning of an 8 liter v-8
Intelligence goals
next mod for the miata: billet block
I can't fucking tell you how excited I am forr +400 pulls
From an engineering and design aspect, this blows my mind away, I cannot believe the amount of time and effort that must have gone into the design process, phenomenal
When he said "from Finland" my first thought was that I must misheard, but when oskari started talking and all those hand movements came along, then I realized that he is a Finn.
The engineer is Very knowledgeable. 106kg engine is jaw dropping with the mentioned power capability.
Similar to the hybrid Hyabusa @ 800hp naturally aspirated at coincidentally the exact same quoted weight.
@@gregorytimmons4777 800 hp?
That's super light and good thing it's billet to hold that much power. Imagine if they used ceramic sleeves in that block
This engineer is the kind of guy who we enjoy listening to because he has the knowledge and the passion to make these amazing engines relatable to the general person. Nice interview.
This is straight up one of the most insane engine builds I've ever seen
if this interview was 2 hours long, i'd watch all of it. so thorough. very cool
So good to watch and listen to people who really do know their shit . Thankyou
Another winning video guys. Keep em coming! Watching these feels like finally scratching that itch that was just outta reach. Hours of mindless car content available and you guys are the only ones able to produce content that scratches that itch. Thank you for what you do.
One of the most in depth interviews to date, great watch!!
English is my native language and i'll never be able to talk like that let alone in another tongue! He's got the smarts.
Very interesting!!
That's a pretty normal level of english for an educated Finn :)
I love a real engineer talking about this stuff. This is what we need.
Time to up the production value by adding more cameras! I'd like to see the engine as he's describing it. You'll get a lot more views which is the whole point.
great idea
This is the only thing what these interviews are missing, however he's such a good interviewer and nerdy and always backs up his questions with another good one
Oh I love technology and those geniuses that can utilise it in amazing ways like this!
where can i hear this monster
Asking the real questions here.
Porsche RP968 time attack...Your Welcom!
Great interview! It's great when a host knows what to ask and understands what the guest is answering.
This engine is insane!!!! Awesome chat as usual.
This video alone got me hooked on engine building 😮
Oskar will be stoked to hear that mate! This was an excellent chat. You've probably seen it but we were lucky enough to do a podcast episode with him too which we really enjoyed as well.
Hope you enjoy many, many years of engine building and the constant satisfaction from learning. It can be a bit of a rabbithole in all the eight ways 😎 - Taz
Awesome video you both really know your tech,and you can tell this guy loves what he's doing. Extremely knowledgeable. Great channel man.
You deserve millions of subscribers and views. Most underrated channel on RUclips
Love this channel. The way you and the material are presented makes it seem like a real broadcast tv show.
I have a UTI degree including the Mercedes-Benz program, and I think I know a bit about cars. These people know more about exhaust valves than I know about cars, period.
UTI "Certificate" is nothing to brag about...
These guys are mechanical engineers, they need to know about the R&D for an exhaust valve, its what engineers do. Auto technicians won't need to know much about anything in detail pertaining to cars. It's just not necessary, not even for ASE Master Certs.
You could probably take apart and put together a car faster than he can. Each of you still have your own designated talents!
@@ChargedTTq it is when you actually earn it instead of thinking about it like you do. Stop criticizing people, get out there and make something of your life. Just because you have your limits does not mean everyone else in the world has the same... Peasant.
I havent written this message yet
Usually factory cars have double the cylinder count compared to displacement, for the best emissions (example most 4 cylinders are 2.0L, 6 cylinders are 3.0, ) I guess if you don’t have to worry about emissions requirements, like in racing, you can do almost anything. Great interview by the way, the guy genuinely loves what he is talking about and it shows by how well he speaks about it and how knowledgeable he is about the engine 👍
500cc/cyls
Maxime Ostiguy 👍 that’s probably easier to remember !
I only build old cars, emissions exempt. lol Get away with murder.
So basically this guys saying if they would have just let me do what I wanted this thing would have been huge. Lol
I think they should let him work his magic, if he says it can rev to 10k then do it, if he says longer stroke, okay, if he says it runs best on urine, id want him to test on another engine first.
@@sed8181 Well that took an unexpected turn. Lol.
@@woopimagpie lol I don't even remember what this was about.
The way this man stands in the beginning is fabulous💅
7075-T6 is bloody rugged stuff. Not cheap either.Tensile yield over 70K psi if memory serves.
Schluesselmensch the stuff used to make ar15 receivers (the good ones anyway)
Yeah 75k psi
I think 6061-t6 is created through a rapid repetition chill process reducing the yield % but because incredibly strong.
Yield strength billet to cast Billet 6061 almost 10%
Cast 1.6 weld billet repairable 7070 series getting hard to weld but incredibly yield strength
Absolute genius.
03:11 Originally this would have been a 3,0L engine, which at the time was the largest and most powerful production four cylinder engine. Porsches own rating of the engine was 240 hp and 305 Nm, whereas dynotesting suggests that these numbers were very conservative. With high-quality fuel, stock examples in good condition usually show figures closer to 260hp. Personally I've witnessed an otherwise completely stock example fitted with a custom exhaust make 278hp on the dyno.
THere's some great scientific concepts applied tp this design. So interesting. Great interview as always! Awesome!
Torque ??
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Cheers buddy! Glad you're enjoying the content and thanks for the kind words =) - Taz.
Sounds like abeast. Being an inline 4, it can use the offcenter crankshaft w/dual balanceshafts strategy that has become so dominant in todays racing competition.
Waiting for the valveless, dual crankshaft designs.
6061 aluminum is actually pretty heavy, i had a cnc shop make me a item for racing a while ago and i was surprised at the weight it was, its stronger and lighter than steel the shop told me.
lol a mechanic dream engine that he will never be able to afford for himself
Reminds me of the boss of Singer Porsche - his company builds fantastic machines, but he doesn't make enough money to own one himself.
Actually you can get billet "standart" blocks that have used many times before with stock shaped heads for way less. Should start around 20k or maybe even less. Like an 4g63.
Bugatti: Look at our amazing quad-turbo W16 Chiron with 1500HP and 7,000 RPM!!
These guys: Hold my nitrous 😂😂😂
Its surprising how well they explain everything, even amateurs can understand a lot...
Best video saying the truth about modern cars
"Reliability is impossible to get to with factory parts"
This happens when scientist makes a racing engine instead of grease head :D
awww
More mechanical engineer than scientist, although material science/engineering would be a heavy factory in testing the alloys to make this all possible.
Sounds like something a girl would say. Very derogatory, like a girl refering to hands on work as wiener work.
Good stuff. 11:54 in the video my brain exploded. Definitely some serious finger counting to get 1500 hp out of a 4 cylinder to be reliable.
great info, asked all the right questions.
Spelling porche and alluminium the right way is making this video even more valuable.
So how is intergranular corrosion dealt with in 7075 alumium alloyes,in aircrafts it has been a problem?
Wow, legit channel right here. Subbed immediately, these guys know their shit :D
New golden age of built racecars
What wonderful achievement. Great tech; Good video.
Cadê a passagem dele no Dinamômetro?
Yes you can tune without a dyno in many cases and it's worth doing - Taz.
could you use titanium for billeting a block out of
Yea, 120 thousand euro for that block! Amazing, but I'm not a millionaire.
Felix Thecat yeah 120k for an empty block 😂😂😂
You might not exactly be their target customer 🤦🏾♂️
im not complaining i love billet stuff
I don't understand nothing but it's so interesting to listen and learn.
Learning is what we're all about. Enjoy =) - Taz.
Excellent interview, really enjoyed that, thanks. Greetz from Germany.
Sehr gut! Danke Rick! - Taz.
great interview, billet blocks are very interesting. not that i'll have the money for one though lol
Holdenian my dream is too hopefully get close anuf to touch one and kiss it!
for some cars like a lancer evo you can buy a lancer evo for the price of only a billet 4g63
But the difference between the aluminum billet & cast iron is MASSIVE though. You can go from 200 hp to 1300 hp easily :)
Too bad the crazy aluminums aren't castable.. I want an all aluminum aircraft engine :)
For the average enthusiast, you don't need a billet block you need better tuning and more experience behind the wheel of your combination before changing it. In Drag Racing lots can be gained from improving short time. Example the power has always been there to run single digits in almost every FWD or AWD compact car, the problem has been not the hardcore, but the average person who isn't hardcore but want the results of somebody that is singularly focused. Given 3000-3400 lbs of the average compact car you need between 500-600 hp to go really fast, low 10's, high 9's do you really need your car to go faster than that?
Anthony Thomas
I agree with your statement.
Especially the behind the wheel point you had.
i love it where they talk instead of show cause i mean you know its not a video at all.
Great, glad you enjoyed the video :) - Taz.
I really enjoyed this. Thanks
What about alu microfusion in F1 Engine? It can´t be cast?
The power to weight ratio is out there. And only 4 cylinders. What is next?
So what are the external dimensions and weight of the whole thing, exhaust, turbos, and all? 106KG for everything, or just the billet block? Seems like a lot of trouble for 1500hp.
4 cylinder respect on this build..
1L pistons are fairly large at 94mm stroke and 10,500rpm that is over 6400 feet per minute. The piston is not going to keep its skirt for long.
Yeah, thats why they made it out of billet
Add more visuals in with the videos
My aircraft engine is 4l (235 cubic inches) with 4 horizontally opposed cylinders.
It only has 125 HP though.
Yeah but i think aircraft engines are mor focused on making tons of torque
@@Giova590 y, and high reliability/longevity
Two great people.
Craaaaazy power potential here!
that zx7r in the background tho
what block is this from ?
with trickle down tech, how long do you think it'll be before we see this in productions cars? or will electric be the norm before?
Never. This is racing technology.
@@MrRaitzi I don't think you realise how many things we have in cars started as such
Oskar Elmgren is super nice guy! I bought a aluminum billet 4b11t racing products from them!!! California to Finland.....
What heatshield is that on the exhaust?
hey you can make the rods from really nice steel alloy skeleton rod, plug the ends and cast them in the billet material then cut and pull the plugs, separate them and machine them out , then they won't stretch, or just use titanium.
Fantastic video
3000hp is pretty impressive number from a 244ci engine. I would be curious to know on what kind of fuel it would achieve this? I realize there are a plethora of variables. I'm impressed because, if you increased this engine to 500ci roughly twice the size (NHRA Top Fuel Displacement) it would produce 6,147hp. 6 bar is 87psi!! What fuel would work with that kind of boost pressure? Timing is a HUGE issue how does it work....lol. Thanks. I'm a fan of all things Horsepower😊
For a drag application at the target of 3000 hp we would assume someone would be most likely running on methanol fuel. Methanol has a very high octane rating and a high latent heat of evaporation which means it also has a large cooling effect on the charge temperature.
So Impressive!
I ran some numbers...116mm bore x 94mm stroke. 3974cc. ~48mm intake valves. full race setup should produce 650 bhp @ 9500 rpm naturally aspirated. 5 bar boost...3000 bhp. I'm sure it can do that...for a very short time. it must shake like a bitch!
Good interview!
Most interesting, thank you.
We don’t even get to hear it!?! Anyone have a link to the car in action?
Google RP968 and you'll find some, or WTAC footage :) - Taz.
4 liters? What about secondary balance.
Sooooo no footage of the car running?
ruclips.net/video/Kco1d73DT1M/видео.html
skip to 00:38
Nestor Urias they had some issues getting engine ready in time for wtac 2017, so they ran their older engine instead. Link above my post is not this engine.
Correct. Fingers crossed there's some from the next WTAC :) - Taz.
ruclips.net/video/mQWeJ0gIUc8/видео.html here you go it’s near the end
@Joseph, that's one of the older engines - Taz.
4l 4cly wtf!!!! Crazy
the Cummins 4BT is a 4 litre 4 cylinder, but it redlines at like 3 grand lol
Hi, are you located in the USA? Being disabled, can you use my Elmer racing 4b11t parts? I can nolonger work.
Thank you,
Xbmaster
Hi Victor, we are located in NZ. Currently have no need for 4B11 parts :) - Ben
Great video!
Like to see them put bar into it.
1500hp or 3000hp? You got a dyno sheet somewhere we can look at?
I think the 3000 hp refers to the calculated hp the block can resist, the way you make the boost and what fuel you use to make it happen its up to the end user, if you look billet block specs all of them have a estimate of the amount of hp that the block can take, the problem comes to actually making a set up where you can make those 3000 hp, if it interest you look up australian drag racing teams that use four cylinders and in line six blocks they make that kind of hp in their race cars using billet blocks like this one
Angel Moreno Strong question. Prove it.
@@scottgregory9672 engineswapdepot.com/?p=30227 look up jett racing they run smaller engines than this one and make up to 2000 hp using racing fuel and a ton of boost they are some of the fastets four cylinders in the world and they use billet blocks that are made very similarly to this one
Are we talking unobtainium rocket brand high octaine or alcohol?
Some of the specifically blended race fuels could also be workable but typically in very high boost, high specific output engines, methanol is still the go-to fuel.
Interviewer iQ= 10million
so how would one of these fair in a daily application at a reasonable hp level? like 500-700hp in a daily.
It would fair as well as any other well built 500-700hp daily driver engine 😉 Bit overkill using something like this for that application though in all fairness - Taz.
Would really like to see what factors of safety they are using and what their finite element models looks like.
Hi is there a kit for this to fit in my Miata thank
All this talk of engine power and design
But never any mention of fuel
It’s amazing the difference proper fuel design goes into making power for a certain boost and rev range
It’s a very misunderstood facet and needs to be considered if fuel is a somewhat open rule
These guys made their own 8 port cylinder head for their A series mini engine, check out their RUclips channel.
What’s their RUclips channel name?
it needs a cold air intake, atleast 2 and a half inch in diameter for max flow rate. and it needs a dc header for maximum exhaust flow out. and then last, about a 75 shot of nitrous for optimum horsepower gain. i have a 1993 acura integra ls. i know a thing or 2 about high power 4 cylinder. feel free to ask me if you need any help.