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It's been said a million times, but Chick the Yellow ever being on the forbidden list will never stop being funny. They were so terrified of there being any chance of Makyura loops even without Makyura.
Book of taiyou was limited to hit the cyber jar ftk. It actually severely hurt the ftk...but then the deck went to worlds unhit and they banned cyber jar leaving no need to have the card still hit.
@@N12015 This is obviously with hindsight so it doesn't impact the deck's historical impact, but this is why I always side Neko-Mane King in my GOAT decks. Stops Empty Jar in its tracks for an entire turn, opening up chances to kill the combo outright.
Okay the Purrely comment actually bugs me and I don't even play the deck Semi-limits to Purrely cards matter because it prevents My Friend Purrely from being able to straight-up search Any Purrely Card, being only a 1/3 or 2/3 chance to add if limited/semi-limited, as well as reducing the Xyz monsters' access to multiple of the same effect while under it as material (eg. Sleepy Memory's standby phase draw) Now some of you might say "oh, but that just makes the deck frustrating and inconsistent rather than outright lowering the ceiling" Correct!
Ah yes, one of the best players in the game has no idea what they're talking about. And is clearly just a shill even though he openly roasts Konami decisions frequently. Get over yourself 😂
Josh said he would fix Maxx C by making it impossible to negate dude lmao He's obviously a great player but that doesn't mean he's gonna have good takes on game design or balance.
Duel Links answer and one that is meme'd on all the time: Malo to 1. The Intern who was tasked with hitting Elementsaber Invoked forgot to actually READ THE ELEMENTSABER CARDS when they put malo to 1. The logic was that Putting Malo to 1 limited the deck's ability to summon multiple copies of Invoked Purgatrio, the deck's board breaker and game ender. However, for those who have never seen an Elementsaber card in their lives: All the Main Deck Elementsaber monsters have a graveyard effect that allows them to change their attribute while in the graveyard for that turn. So even if you put malo to 0 you can still make purgatrio with any Elementsaber name in GY! Brilliant work konami!
It really worked well though....I mean understandable if you never played in competitive events but yeah...its funny seeing some writing an ESSAY to say that he is wrong🤣🤦🏾Malo was putted to 1 to conflict with Cocytus...they aimed for making Elementsaber to struggle to play through cards like Necrovalley, a card that was REALLY POPULAR back in the day...to understand how good the hit was, it was very common, players to play Malo instead of Cocytus, if that doesn't prove what I say I don't know mate....🤣🤷🏾♂️😭
I have a Beckett Yu-Gi-Oh magazine that discussed the October 2005 banlist, and their assumption on Book of Taiyou getting limited was that it would prevent Empty Jar decks from taking over the format
They limited Toad and ABC the list right before the Master Rule revision. They really thought ABC and Toad were going to be too strong for the upcoming format. It also took them way to long to put them back to 3
My inclination to most absurd ban is Spore back in 2012, a part of a tier 2 deck who was starting to fall out of favor, when they also banned the actual problem card in the same banlist in Trishula; arguably the most Komoney moment ever. Honorable mention to Glow-up bulb which was banned twice and is still banned despite Halq (the actual problem) being banned 2 years ago, as well as Linkuriboh, Baronne and Savage Dragon for good measure last month.
@@Nephalem2002 Yeah, the March 2012 banlist was notorious for killing pre-existing Synchro strategies with an attempt to force players to play the new XYZ decks. Plants and T.G. Agents got the worst of it. However the decision to do this was extremely dumb, as XYZ era cards were littered with "Cannot be used as Synchro material" and the next format was Trinity format, with Dino-Rabbit's Lagia + Set 4, Wind-up Handloop and Inzektor simultaneously spamming field and removing stuff with Dragonfly and Hornet. A level of power that Synchro decks couldn't really hit at the time anyway.
I’d love to see one about the “Yugioh Mandela Effect.” An example of what I’m talking about is El Shaddoll Construct, which notoriously lacks a once per turn restriction, but many people remember it “differently.”
I think this has to do more with an "implied once per turn" effect, where players are so use to how Konami shifted in card design that especially those who learned the game or were very active playing it during that time seem to assume the "once per turn" on cards, even if it is not there. A great example of this is when I was playing Harpie physical at a locals and my opponent negated my Elegant Egotist. I then activated a second one right after that chain resolved and he responded in shock, "It is not a once per turn!?" and thought the card was broken because you could active multiples in a turn. 🤣
He somewhat covered this with cards that are only slightly different in the manga or anime than the actual game. Examples are some cards being a tuner in one and not the other, or being a slightly different level, or a case like Slifer being also treated as Dragon attribute in the anime.
As a lifelong Shaddoll player I can confirm Construct is not at all once per turn XD Some games went so wild that I would summon all three of her on my first turn and go plus a million.
Symbol was hit because there was an OCG deck running around that turn 1 loops trish until you banish your opponent's entire hand, then end on formula + material to trish them again on the top of main. So they hit Symbol as Trish became legal in TCG
I remember when Symbol of Heritage was limited because I realized this card was very functional and kind of broken in Harpies where we could just bounce it with Zephryros the Elite, as a lot of people were slowly realizing around the same time. Before Cyber Dragons were being designed around the same mechanics, Harpies were the only cards where you would have multiple monsters in grave be the same name. It was effectively monster reborn for deck that had terrible recovery...and then they hit it. I hated Konami around that time. Also what people need to understand about Yugioh banlists is a lot of it is done just get players to play something else. Shit like Mathmech Circular, the adventure hits in 2022, they are saying please stop playing these cards so we can sell you new ones. They were too good and kept people off of new stuff, so they banned them.
3:40 I vaguely remember there used to be an FTK Deck during this time that played Book Of Taiyou at that time. Konami used to hit these kind of decks hard and fast because it was a playstyle they actively disapproved of. I think this was part of that.
Ritual Beast Ulti-Cannahawk Limited to 1 in November 2015, the same list that banned several Shaddol Cards, Nekroz Cards and Apoqliphort Tower's. This deck, topped A FEW REGIONALS in Europe through out 2015, that's all it ever did but it was SOMEHOW considered to be on the same level as 3 of the most powerful decks in Yugioh History(To this day, we still refer to cards as a "Construct" or a "Tower's" and Nekroz needs no introduction.). And that's without mentioning that B.A and Masked Hero were both pretty good here too. It was limited, for FIVE FKING YEARS. The thing is, this limit completely killed the deck too.
I'm pretty sure this was only done because people hated playing against Ritual Beasts. This deck wasn't nearly as good as the others, nor deserved a hit, and I'm sure Konami knew that. But so many players were whining about it, so I guess they just did it for that.
@@AzulTheCerulean20 Worlds isn't a good parameter, though. BA wasn't even legal, and Shaddoll wasn't viable at all. Ritual Beasts had a decent matchup against Nekroz, but were pretty bad against the rest of the meta.
when this prompt started the first thing i thought of was breaker, for like 2 years i had no idea wtf konami was doing with breaker changing on basically every single list. the most hilarious part is from the first time he was unbanned he was absolutely useless in the format and konami just banned him again for no reason, every time he came back, he did nothing, and then would get banned again. it was the most bizarre thing i've ever seen in yugioh banlist history..... besides konami banning draguinty ravine instead of hitting the e-dragons... as a dragunity player, that one just hurt my soul. ravine didn't even come back for over a year despite the fact that the e-dragons were banned and ravine would do nothing at all in the meta..... well at least i got a playset of trident dragion back then so i could sell them for $500 in 2024
honestly while konami's sheer indecisiveness with breaker is brow-raising, it's not hard to figure _why_ they felt the need to keep him under lock in the first place. his time on the banlist coincides pretty well with the era of limited mst, where playable generic backrow removal was at a premium to the extent that top decks were maining _dust tornado_ all the way into edison. a normal summon that could either be a 1900 body or an immediate backrow pop is an easy candidate for a hit under that ethos, esp. when it saw _some_ sideboard play in the moments where it was free
Joseph, my friend, my comrade in arms, Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Spirit was limited until January of 2015 and only came full off in April of 2015. It went from 1 -> 2 on the same banlist that hit Nekroz. For those who want context, Spirit was hit on the September 2013 banlist, which was the first banlist since the OCG and TCG had combined banlists that they split again. It notably included a ton of pre-emptive hits to decks like Fire Fist, Mermail, and Dino Rabbit for some reason. The idea one would imagine at the time was that by hitting Dragon Rulers, decks from previous formats would be a lot more dominant, but as any intelligent person could tell you the big dragons are also so incredibly broken on their own (at the time) that it just resulted in them dominating everything.
In glad they split the lists. The combined lists were terrible. We'd get products 3 to 6 months later and OCG had already hit the decks people were wanting to play. It's not like I went to tourneys but my friends and I would still follow the list even at college.
@@Lord_Phoenix95 Yeah with the benefit of hindsight it was obviously a good thing, but definitely at the time it was a really controversial change at least in part because the TCG banlist changes were way harsher than the OCG banlist (the banning of Elemental HERO Stratos comes to mind). Hilariously though, the OCG also hit 3/3.5 Axis Fire Fist, but their hit was a limit to Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Rooster, which at least in my opinion was a significantly less heavy handed hit. Getting your one copy of Rooster off of Horse Prince was always going to be easier than recycling your one copy of Spirit. (A significant amount of deckbuilding during that year for me went into finding ways to make Constellar Ptolemy M7 because tbh Lion Emperor kind of sucked ass to make. I think the best engine I could find was Shogi Knight and Shogi Lance, which in the OCG came out early enough to be an option for their PRIO format but for us came out right before Spirit went up on the list).
Remember when they banned almost every single decent Tuner in the game just to keep Halqifibrax alive? Pepperidge Farm remembers. Though Pepperidge Farm would rather forget.
I mean, that doesn't really fit the thread, which was non-sensical hits with no explanation. This one is pretty self-explanatory, they wanted us to buy their entire stock of Duel Overload but not do anything with it.
@@ManyTanks1 I don’t even think Glow Up is any more broken than anything else that can special summon itself from the GY. It even has a hard once per duel on it. I don’t think it’s that broken.
This isnt unique to Yugioh but its interesting to see the duality of what the designers see as "unfair" vs the pros or even East vs West mindset. Im sure there are some Yugioh pros on Konamis R&D but there will always be things that slip through
Some of the best Champion's from both the SJC and early YCS era were hired into that department, but Idk if it's clear on how much input they have on terms of final say in constructing banlists.
I dont think he meant that it doesnt make sense, but more in a sense "is the 3rd one really what is winning you games and whats making the deck broken"
The ones that stick out to me are the "once per duel" cards that got banned. I remember even back in the day, Spore got a ton of heated discussion from both parties because it facilitated such good stuff, but only once. I always thought it was so silly to put any kind of limits on it because sure, running more than 1 means you're more likely to see it, but then also once it's gone your deck just has bricks in it now. I feel like the argument kind of makes itself considering people were running 3 Upstart for "consistency."
To this day I still will never understand why servant of endymion and electrumite were hit. I get limiting electrumite. But banning it was such a smooth brained move
There are very few pendulum hits that still make sense. Every pendulum deck has either been powercrept, destroyed by MR4/MR5, or is unplayable because of the banlist. Heck, Performages haven't even gotten most of their cards because of PePe. That said, Endymion _is_ one of the few pendulum decks that is still viable at all. I don't think it warrants Electrumite staying banned though. Especially because the deck's strength is in the meme card.
@@gyppygirl2021 Ya funny enough master duel has shown it can come back the best think you can do with it Is lock your opponent with vaylantz with a very long and fragile combo.
I was playing Endymion back then. Even without having Selene yet, the deck was still _easily_ spitting out 5 negates. Upstart Goblin and Into the Void were at 3, too. Endymion wasn't seeing much meta play yet, but a ton of tiered decks took heavy hits on that same ban list, and I had the impression that Konami was worried about Endymion dominating in that power vacuum. It was definitely a preemptive hit.
As soon as the link master rule was changed (forgot the number but basically when links were released you couldn't summon ANY extra deck monsters into your regular monster zones unless a link was pointing to it. They changed it in the next master rule), they limited ABC. Immediately. The deck did fuck nothing, was unlimited soon after and proceeded to continue doing fuck nothing.
I remember winning a handful of games at a local tournament in like, early 2004 while playing Reflect Bounder. A combination of different burn effects available-Magic Cylinder, Ring of Destruction, etc.-made Reflect Bounder a dangerous card to ram into. Plus, it was a LIGHT monster for Chaos decks.
Really wishing you talked about Dark Scorpion - Chick The Yellow being semi-limited to hit an OTK (attacking and looping Call Of The Haunted with him)... an OTK that wasn't even possible anymore when he was hit, because Makyura The Destructor, the other part of the OTK, was banned in the same list.
I still maintain the opinion of Yata and Time Seal having been banned for so long were for casual level play and not tournament level play. Those two stopped being good around late 5Ds but maintained a level of notoriety among casuals for looping players out of the game. Yeah they were easily dealt with if you knew what you were doing but were a menace for people just playing for the first time. But now the game is at such a level where it’s expected even a casual player can easily deal with those cards and I agree
I do wonder if a modern meta deck could compete against a fully powered Chaos list (pre-errata CED, Witch, Sangan, Sinister Serpent). I would guess yes, but the matchup would be interesting.
@@ryanchase9332 Its all about the interaction. Old decks didn't have it. No quick effects really. So if the opponent was doing lots of popping and negating then yeah. It won't last outside of a few niches. The way you play just changed too much. You would take some wins if you build for the modern match up but the actual deck variants being run back then might not have done it. Against modern the strongest deck would probably just be stun with some of the more broken cards thrown in. Negates just weren't as common back then which is why CED was so scary. Nowadays it would need to go after you baited everything. So throwing dark holes and raigekis first is a must.
@@ryanchase9332The old chaos deck gets murdered pretty hard I would assume. No interaction turn 1 (and no broken board breaker), no way to establish a difficult board.
Someone tried to sneak in Sharvara, but that card deserves to be to 1. Especially because it gives the deck easy access to High Caesar, which is a powerful D/D/D boss monster and the reason you play that deck. Kinda crazy Unchained could summon it by easier means than the deck it was designed for
The funny thing is its way tougher to deal with in unchained than in DDD because the layered interactions protect each other so well. Ss fenrir? Well escape or soul of rage can pop it and then you need something else to contest the ceaser.
@@shawnjaverynot really, just pop it with contract with the witch. The reason it is better is because D/D/D just can't play through nib and the only way is to have a 3 card combo with subpar endboard to the main combo. You would be lucky to end on a single disruption through two weak handtraps in D/D/D too
@@chewdoom8415 yeah D/D/D has not changed much, dark contract with the witch was mainly used as extra layered disruption that prevents dark ruler no more. Most recent lists you'll probably see play with the armored XYZ kali yuga stuff but it is not really much better. Even without that card they can also use headhunt (that's pretty standard). Anyways, my point is that it is not really because of what they said but because D/D/D is just much worse at dealing with interruptions and requires more engine comparatively.
Sharvara to 1 (and air lifter for that matter) would've been fine hits if it wasn't for snake-eye getting its second wave pretty much immediately after, essentially just removing unchained as a viable deck for the following format, which no one really liked and many were priced out of. Also not sure why you're bothered unchained used caesar and machinex, yubel is going around using the unchained extra deck stuff now, it's not like archetypal bosses tend to stay in their own decks in yugioh, at least caesar saw some play this way, barely anyone is out here playing ddd anymore
brotherhood of the fire fist spirit got limited because they were still matching the OCG list at this point and we had a 3-axis version of fire fist that relied on this card + rooster which came out in the set after dragon rulers to make synchro plays and was a good deck in the ocg. since it got hit before it got any play in the TCG, the card seems like it would never be good in that deck, there is a clear combo with these cards. basically, you use spirit to summon out rooster and rooster says WHEN it is summoned by a fire fist monster, you can add a fire fist monster from your deck to your hand. rooster also let you send a fire formation you have on the field to set another from the deck. spirit is what enabled rooster and as a tuner it also let you make the synchro which on summon brings out a level 3 fire fist from the deck. this hit was substantial because it definitely would’ve been a solid deck possibly during that format but mainly in the following format. it was busted in the OCG, which actually meant something back then as they shared lists.
This is incorrect. We weren't matching the OCG, because it was the banlist where the TCG and OCG lists split up and we literally hit a different Fire Fist monster than they did lol. Spirit was never hit in the OCG, Rooster was. What is true though is they actually had Rooster ahead of us though, Rooster was a TCG Import in Judgment of the Light.
@@lamiaprincess6371 you’re right, that’s the banlist where it shifted but it’s still correct that the hit is probably the second biggest reason why 3 axis didn’t see tcg play, the first being it came so late. i was playing at the time and opened JOTL and was excited when i pulled the rooster only for it to be useless very very quickly.
@@hasan7275 Yeah it's a huge reason 3-Axis wasn't popular. 1 Rooster is a lot easier to recover from than 1 Spirit, which was easily the most important card in the deck.
my take is that they hit almost all of the rather decent recent decks (unchained, rescue ace, purrely, and mathmech) to force snake eyes to be the best deck in the current format
There were good reasons for all of those hits. They killed infernoble and tear because they were dumb combo decks that didn't have consistent answers going second outside of shifter, which most decks can't run. Rescue ace and unchained were both super flexible decks that often felt like it was on the opponent to play into what you have than for you to beat with better play. Noir is just a very frustrating card for decks to deal with in general, and being able to draw 6 in particularly was kinda dumb. Circular is just a very over tuned card. I'm still on rescue ace now and when you go first with the deck you win if you resolve turb lose if you don't. There's also hands where your opponent can't stop turb, because your deck is able to dodge targeted negation with sp and emergency for some reason. It was completely justified to hit lifter on that list and I'm kinda disappointed they didn't hit emergency on the last list as well, because then I'd have an excuse to drop the deck.
People didn't really think it was unjustified when it was hit. It just stayed on for a good 2 years or so after it would have had an impact on the format.
@@shawnjaveryHonestly I could understand back then, since it was a non opt search (although, it wouldn't get abused nearly as it is today) a free mst at worst and a free harpie's feather duster at best. After Infernities came out, there was no reason it should've still been banned.
@@RahnonymousThat's usually the problem with the banlists, they eventually ban most of the broken cards that people usually agree should go (sometimes they don't but the card eventually gets powercrept so people stop complaining), but they take so long to bring back cards that are no longer a problem and I just don't see why it takes them so long
At the very least these mistakes are rectified quickly. Still have no idea why Sekka's Light is still at one. That card made for some of the most interesting deckbuilds I've done in awhile. It's really cool playing decks like Fur Hire or Spright without their spell traps and just adding extra extenders to keep the engine going
The case to be made for semi-limiting Purrely memories is that My Friend does Bingo Machine Go style searching, so having less than exactly 3 copies makes that far less reliable for searching, and it also greatly lessens the chances of any Purrely main deck flipping a memory up. The problem is, because of the above, Purrely is on a razor's edge in relation to the banlist. If anything gets hit, the deck practically dies because of the _huge_ consistency hit that causes. I'm super annoyed that they basically killed Purrely, especially because it's honestly not hard to out. Playing Kaiju / DBarrier / Herald of the Abyss immediately outs a high mat Noir, or you can also draw enough to power through until it gets to 4 or less mats and you can just get rid of it then.
Bad hits like these are part of the reason I maintain that historical formats should be played under custom banlists instead of historical ones. For most of Yugioh's history, the lists were either out of sync with the card pool (due to OCG/TCG sharing lists) or driven largely by pseudo-rotation to sell product instead of promoting a good format.
They hit Ulti-Cannahawk to 1 for what feels like eons, like 3-4 years after Ritual Beasts were basically unplayable (Forget the good placing in that one regional). Hawk was still at 1 all the way after they made the Link-2 RB which basically made the deck playable again, and the ban only ended up kinda making the combo longer because we had to make sure to recycle the Cannahawk with every use. This hit particularly hurt the deck, because if anything happened to Cannahawk, it was an instant surrender, but also it basically just made Rampengu unable to search half the deck without gimping the deck entirely. I think the worst thing about this hit, aside from the length, was the sheer misunderstanding by the community. I've heard multiple yugitubers and commenters say Cannahawk hit was because the combo took too long. No, the combo length stays EXACTLY the same length with 1 Cannahawk to 3. Especially with the Link-2, the combo became shorter, and RBs didn't even have longer combos than the meta deck at the time, fucking Drytrons. The only thing the Cannahawk hit did was basically just nerf Rampengu, one of the better starters in the deck. Anyways, it's at 3, and I can use Rampengu again, but they'll strike again when Konami releases the new support that's already like 3-4 months later than around the same time frame Japan got them
I don't think Konami wanted to make the combo shorter. I think they wanted to discourage people from playing the deck so that whiny players would stop whining about the length of the combo.
@@juliamedina3322 Ok, but again, Ulti-Cannahawk was at 1 long after a lot of decks with much longer combos have already come out. Basically every single Pend decks, Drytrons, the average Halqdon combos, Thunder Dragons, I could go on. The problem with IRL ygo was that people would bring this deck without getting enough practice and lose track of what they special summoned, doing their combos particularly slowly. But objectively, the length of an RB combo is not even that long. When I did it at locals, people around me didn't care cuz they spent longer just looking at their options and thinking, while I had actually practiced the deck and knew the lines.
@@monkeylemur Oh, I agree with you 100%. This is the most ridiculous hit in the history of the banlist. And other decks have taken way longer to do their combos. I'm not defending Konami, I think they super screwed up with this. I'm just saying what I think their reason was. But I certainly don't agree with it. And yeah, RB combos didn't take very long if you knew what you were doing. I also didn't take long, but like you said, some people were pretty slow because they lacked practice, so other players got annoyed and blamed the deck.
imagine if Konami actually makes Ojama lime one day then bans all the Vanilla ojama's just out of spite for those who want Ojama Lime, but it's effect revolves around having at least one of those vanilla ojama's.
6:29 brotherhood of the firfist spirit was actually used a decent amount during that time due to 3 axis firefist i dont remember the full combo but youde normal it to ss rooster rooster grab tenki tenki search, rooster send tenki for tension go into horseprince, ss another monster maybe another rooster since its second d effect was a soft opt but it was an endless conga line of assholes
breakers limit and ban made total sense. up until like 08 having a 1900atk lvl4 beater was a great piece to have on board to maintain tempo. keeping one of those monsters on the field during turn 1 and 2 would set you up for a tribute or a synchro summon. the fact breaker was also a spot MST back when battle traps and most floodgates (albeit ones used in OG style burn strats) were at their peak. breaker always shoudve been at 1 or banned. OP is full of S#!T and never played that format.
I think you misunderstood, My contention was the flip flopping I absolutely did play during that time frame, and I'm sure it would have been absolutely fine being *consistently* limited in the relevant time period, rather being bounced back and forth You looked at the Fifth Gadget, Trooper Monarch, PTDN Gladiator Beast lists or DAD Return and telling me BREAKER was a ban worthy card?
Bro, you could not be more wrong about Fire Fist Spirit. It was limited because it was THE BEST Fire Fist monster. Spirit being limited was the only reason that Fire Fist wasn't a meta threat the entire time it was limited. Dragon rulers would not have been the tier 0 monster that they were if spirit wasn't limited. It went to 2 at the start of Nekroz format and Jeff Jones immediately won a YCS with it. And it was topping regionals all over the place. Fire Fist spirit was the sole reason that anyone even considered 3 axis Fire Fist. And then later 3.5, which proved to be the best build.
I went to my first locals 2 months ago and said: "omfg, fountain is not limited in the tcg?" Out loud after my opponent played his second copy (banished the other one)
I remember reading a pojo guide book talking about the mask of darkness/tsukuyomi/timeseal loop. Apparently it was real at the time, but I wonder how retroactive deck building would look at its effectiveness now.
Totally random but I need to share this. I wanted to rewatch these but didn’t want to do so I order cause I normally watch them as they’re posted and it felt repetitive to watch the most recent ones/oldest ones in order, so I played the playlist on shuffle. The RANDOM SHUFFLE that happened put this video directly BEFORE the one he did about cards that had been on the list instead of other cards, which he references in this video! Just a crazy coincidence I needed to share.
Double Iris Magician and SKJ getting banned were two of the fucking stupidest pre-emptive bans ever. I do not give a fuck what Iris Searched. Joker searched solely on Normal. If they were gonna pre-hit anything they should’ve put them to 1, and put Astrograph and Chronograph to 1 like the OCG.
Ban reason: senseless pendulum hate. It happens all the time. Just because there was ONE tier 0 pendulum format (that got hit almost immediately in the TCG), pendulum players are never allowed to have nice things again.
A lot of these have a simple explanation. Konami hates budget players (or more positively, they love people that paid a thousand dollars + for their decks), if a budget deck becomes viable, Konami will hit it quickly to promote the decks that are more expensive.
Symbol of Heritage, Dewloren, and Power Tool Dragon is literally every FTK of that timespan. The one month FTK actually used that exact interaction Theyre probs not meta relevant though yeah
Symbol of Heritage wasn't banned coz of Lonefire, it was banned coz of Blaze Phoenix FTK, with it being used to bring back Ancient Fairy Dragon. Yea, that card so strong that it had to be banned? Try resolving it FOUR times in a turn lmao
This is a topic that has a ton of examples that just wouldn't fit in one video. And not just for OCG/TCG, but also Duel Links and Master Duel. Take Condemned Witch and Kozmotown in Duel Links for example. Both came out in Phoenix Blaze at the start of the year and were slapped with a Limited 3. But on the March 8th banlist, they both became Unlimited. Making us question, why were they Limited in the first place? Also another one is Dark Scorpion - Chick the Yellow, being Semi-Limited in April 2005, only to go back to Unlimited the very next list. Why was this hit again? And of course, Terraforming getting banned in Master Duel. Why? Likely yet another Floo hit for no goddamn reason.
Runick fountain kinda makes sense. If you open a fountain, you can draw six, which is kinda nutty. And yes, you can use freki to do the same thing, but in that scenario, you could draw nine.
I'm surprised it wasn't in the video despite it getting a lot of likes on twitter but I'm curious would anything bad happened if sekka's light became unlimited?
I’m the biggest purrely defender there is, and I’m to this day championing for the return of sleepy and delicious to 3. HOWEVER, I do understand why they semi’d sleepy. I mean, drawing 6 is kind of nuts when your deck allows about 18 slots of non-engine.
Oh runick fountain to 2 came up so often for me. I run 2 cosmic since that offers the probability of drawing it that I appreciated the most. And being able to knowing wait to get rid of all the fountains and be able to beat them on the grind game is huge.
Fire fist spirit was hit in prep for fire fist chicken coming to tcg from ocg when we were getting 3 axis fire fist deck that had been dominating ocg previously. We got it so late that it didnt really matter, but they hit spirit to 1 anyways just as "precaution"
There wasn't really a time where 3-Axis Fire Fist was the best deck unfortunately. The TCG only got Rooster less than a month before the banlist (and 3-Axis was not really comparable to both full power Dragon Rulers and Plant/Dragunity Rulers tbh) and Judgment of the Light also contained Coach Soldier Wolfbark, which led to 4-Axis Fire Fist (with some developments into 3.5 Axis Fire Fist pretty late on) being the dominant deck in the TCG. The OCG probably did have a time where 3-Axis was quite strong though, if only because they actually got Rooster before Dragon Rulers even dropped, well for like a month I guess lol.
3:01 Part of the reason Sharvara got hit to one is because having three of it provided the deck with a LOT of consistency. It was just after Sharv got hit when the deck declined because the one sharv made it less consistent and more fair
Stratos Banned in 2013 After it was no longer relevant In Dragon Ruler format Remained banned for years while other archtypes got more powerful equivalents to it. Like Oviraptor for an example.
It was also a card with a history of mad pluses. That list was trying to address anything and everything as a clean slate from the ocg. Ovi came 4 years later after hero had another stint of being meta relevant
Good Goblin Housekeeping. It was banned for a little bit because Komoney was hitting all the draw power in early yugioh. And then they realized nobody actually played it because it sucks.
My theory is that the list that banned Servant of Endymion had multiple drafts and Konami initially intended to dance around the actual problem card (Electrumite), as they´ve done repeatedly over the years. Later they decided that Electrumite should go, after all, but forgot to scrape the Servant of Endymion ban from the list in return.
I still remember Spirit being limited and I do actually remember it was being pretty heavily played at the time. No idea why that deserved a hit, but it was definitely around.
the fact that fiber jar has been hit for decades, remains one of the oldest banned cards still concurrently on the list, and is still banned is also a mystery. It's not like it would ever see play (just like cyber jar hasn't).
Fiber Jar being banned isn't a mystery at all. It will remain banned forever for the same reason that it was banned in the first place, and the same reason that Self-destruct button is and always will be banned. Time issues. The fact that fiber jar can potentially reset the gamestate infinitely in a single game means that it'll never be allowed off the list, regardless of how bad it is.
I remember when aromas came out they had a neat brilliant fusion line that was far from broken.....AND THEN THEY BANNED BRILLIANT FUSION, I don't even know what other decks were running it at the time but it hurt so bad
Symbol of heritage was limited because soul absorbing ftk where you loop it , lion of the ice barrier, a plague spreader while soul absorbing bone tower was on the field it was actually extremely consistent and I should know. I PLAYED IT!
Similar to Breaker I love how Konami could not for the life of them figure out how many Magician of Faiths we were allowed to have. Same forbidden/limited back and forth until it finally came off completely in fucking October 2014
mask being limited might have been partly due to having a similar effect to magician of faith, so someone probably figured if faith was on the list, they should probably limit mask
Symbol of Heritage was banned because of Dark Strike Fighter and Dewloren, Tiger King FTK. Hard opt wasn't a thing back then. The whole point of summoning Dewloren was to bounce Heritage and sacrifice Dewloren to Fighter.
One I remember was in the middle of gx era and they were promoting Zane truedale and tried to push a cyber dragon tin… just to limit cyber dragon making its whole archetype useless. Like no one could summon cyber end or twin without fusion substitute
The Sharvara hit is legit just cause if you have at least two you can do some really stupid stuff. Like you get a lot more interaction than you think if you have it under a Caesar and know what you are doing.
I love the hits where they just limit the card to the correct ratio to play instead of hitting the actual problem. That's like limiting Gem Knight Garnet instead of banning Brilliant Fusion.
Everything surrounding Firewall Dragon until they decided to hit Firewall itself. It was clear that A - Assault Core was not the problem card but they hit it anyway
Desires make perfect sense. Swordsoul was the best deck in the format, and one of the reasons whyvis that they could play this card without a single issue making them play with one extra card in most games. Bird-up and Tri-Brigade before it were also great in large part thanks to it
@@shaggycrow Technically it's barely over one minute. It's just kind of a short video. Though yeah, guy needs to eat, feels like a strange thing to complain about.
unfortunately, "A" would not fit the criteria for this thread. We knew exactly why "A" was banned, to pay for Firewall's sins. I do remember it being one of the last, and most ridiculous, card to be hit instead of Firewall.
@@zigzag321go Yeah, it was insane that they hit "A" and not literally any of the cards that actively made the various firewall ftks work. I like to think this was Konami's "Come to Jesus" moment about Firewall. The point where they realized that they had gone too far defending Firewall.
If you ask me out of all of these the healer hit is the weirdest. Hitting sunvine healer did nothing to the combo as there where already alternate combos that some argued where better. I often forget that healer is banned when building because you only need one of anyway. in testing there there are some edge cases in long running duel where you could use a second healer but those are so rare and often you can design around that with thereon cards.
I think in Duel Links there's a card that says "burn your opponent for 100 for each card in their hand" that's limit 1 and I don't understand in what world this would be a broken effect.
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the "play the right ratios" hits are my favorite hits
so nice of konami to give everyone deckbuilding tips (:
It's been said a million times, but Chick the Yellow ever being on the forbidden list will never stop being funny. They were so terrified of there being any chance of Makyura loops even without Makyura.
The game was much slower and easier to set up its own otk without makyura so its ban was understandable
@@KingKrow21 it was actually really easy to do, anyone who thinks it was bad or a stupid strategy never actually had to play against it
Book of taiyou was limited to hit the cyber jar ftk. It actually severely hurt the ftk...but then the deck went to worlds unhit and they banned cyber jar leaving no need to have the card still hit.
Yeah, I've played against that deck. Is just the worst experience ever and also makes you wonder how was giant trunade allowed at 3 for so long.
@@N12015 This is obviously with hindsight so it doesn't impact the deck's historical impact, but this is why I always side Neko-Mane King in my GOAT decks. Stops Empty Jar in its tracks for an entire turn, opening up chances to kill the combo outright.
Okay the Purrely comment actually bugs me and I don't even play the deck
Semi-limits to Purrely cards matter because it prevents My Friend Purrely from being able to straight-up search Any Purrely Card, being only a 1/3 or 2/3 chance to add if limited/semi-limited, as well as reducing the Xyz monsters' access to multiple of the same effect while under it as material (eg. Sleepy Memory's standby phase draw)
Now some of you might say "oh, but that just makes the deck frustrating and inconsistent rather than outright lowering the ceiling"
Correct!
I felt the same way, I feel like mbt was just haming it up there but like that hit did matter. I still remember the draw 6 in the standby phase days.
I still love Joshua Schmidt's stream reaction to Circular's hit.
The meme is the only reason Circular is banned and I hate it for that.
not true. circular is just toxic
I never liked the dude, his takes are worse than MBT's and it's obvious the man's a bought soul in Konami's pocket.
Ah yes, one of the best players in the game has no idea what they're talking about. And is clearly just a shill even though he openly roasts Konami decisions frequently.
Get over yourself 😂
Josh said he would fix Maxx C by making it impossible to negate dude lmao
He's obviously a great player but that doesn't mean he's gonna have good takes on game design or balance.
Duel Links answer and one that is meme'd on all the time: Malo to 1.
The Intern who was tasked with hitting Elementsaber Invoked forgot to actually READ THE ELEMENTSABER CARDS when they put malo to 1. The logic was that Putting Malo to 1 limited the deck's ability to summon multiple copies of Invoked Purgatrio, the deck's board breaker and game ender.
However, for those who have never seen an Elementsaber card in their lives: All the Main Deck Elementsaber monsters have a graveyard effect that allows them to change their attribute while in the graveyard for that turn. So even if you put malo to 0 you can still make purgatrio with any Elementsaber name in GY! Brilliant work konami!
It really worked well though....I mean understandable if you never played in competitive events but yeah...its funny seeing some writing an ESSAY to say that he is wrong🤣🤦🏾Malo was putted to 1 to conflict with Cocytus...they aimed for making Elementsaber to struggle to play through cards like Necrovalley, a card that was REALLY POPULAR back in the day...to understand how good the hit was, it was very common, players to play Malo instead of Cocytus, if that doesn't prove what I say I don't know mate....🤣🤷🏾♂️😭
Necrovalley is in DL?@@gmgmgmgm3046
The joke here isn't that Malo went to 1, is that ELEMENT SABER was playable in DL. What a weird ass game
@@moonlight2870 I don't even think a broken skill would make them good again
@@moonlight2870 Really weird, like Blue-eyes has probably been meta for over half of the game's lifespan, and I think it currently is too
I have a Beckett Yu-Gi-Oh magazine that discussed the October 2005 banlist, and their assumption on Book of Taiyou getting limited was that it would prevent Empty Jar decks from taking over the format
Yup.
So many people forget or don't know just how degenerate flip monsters once were/could be.
They limited Toad and ABC the list right before the Master Rule revision. They really thought ABC and Toad were going to be too strong for the upcoming format. It also took them way to long to put them back to 3
Then adamancipator and eldlitch pulled up like
“Allow us to introduce ourselves”
My inclination to most absurd ban is Spore back in 2012, a part of a tier 2 deck who was starting to fall out of favor, when they also banned the actual problem card in the same banlist in Trishula; arguably the most Komoney moment ever.
Honorable mention to Glow-up bulb which was banned twice and is still banned despite Halq (the actual problem) being banned 2 years ago, as well as Linkuriboh, Baronne and Savage Dragon for good measure last month.
You could include all the plant synchro components
Didn’t that one 2012 banlist almost kill the game
@@Nephalem2002 Yeah, the March 2012 banlist was notorious for killing pre-existing Synchro strategies with an attempt to force players to play the new XYZ decks. Plants and T.G. Agents got the worst of it.
However the decision to do this was extremely dumb, as XYZ era cards were littered with "Cannot be used as Synchro material" and the next format was Trinity format, with Dino-Rabbit's Lagia + Set 4, Wind-up Handloop and Inzektor simultaneously spamming field and removing stuff with Dragonfly and Hornet. A level of power that Synchro decks couldn't really hit at the time anyway.
@@WyvernKnightBright True but it was very much a financially motivated banlist.
They MADE you have to buy new decks.
@@WyvernKnightBright that dinorabbit format is why I stopped playing YGO.
I’d love to see one about the “Yugioh Mandela Effect.” An example of what I’m talking about is El Shaddoll Construct, which notoriously lacks a once per turn restriction, but many people remember it “differently.”
I think this has to do more with an "implied once per turn" effect, where players are so use to how Konami shifted in card design that especially those who learned the game or were very active playing it during that time seem to assume the "once per turn" on cards, even if it is not there. A great example of this is when I was playing Harpie physical at a locals and my opponent negated my Elegant Egotist. I then activated a second one right after that chain resolved and he responded in shock, "It is not a once per turn!?" and thought the card was broken because you could active multiples in a turn. 🤣
I don't think we need a dedicated "Yugioh players misread a card" video
He somewhat covered this with cards that are only slightly different in the manga or anime than the actual game. Examples are some cards being a tuner in one and not the other, or being a slightly different level, or a case like Slifer being also treated as Dragon attribute in the anime.
Bro predicted the future.
As a lifelong Shaddoll player I can confirm Construct is not at all once per turn XD
Some games went so wild that I would summon all three of her on my first turn and go plus a million.
2:49 "half a decade off" brother 2015 was NINE YEARS AGO, ALMOST A DECADE
Holy hell what
He said konami was half a decade off, meaning he thinks snatch steal would be fine unbanned in 2020, but not 2015.
@@jblue6You see, Yugioh players can’t read.
@@jblue6 that just makes him dumb instead of unaware of the passage of time, so it also checks out
Symbol was hit because there was an OCG deck running around that turn 1 loops trish until you banish your opponent's entire hand, then end on formula + material to trish them again on the top of main. So they hit Symbol as Trish became legal in TCG
I remember when Symbol of Heritage was limited because I realized this card was very functional and kind of broken in Harpies where we could just bounce it with Zephryros the Elite, as a lot of people were slowly realizing around the same time. Before Cyber Dragons were being designed around the same mechanics, Harpies were the only cards where you would have multiple monsters in grave be the same name. It was effectively monster reborn for deck that had terrible recovery...and then they hit it. I hated Konami around that time.
Also what people need to understand about Yugioh banlists is a lot of it is done just get players to play something else. Shit like Mathmech Circular, the adventure hits in 2022, they are saying please stop playing these cards so we can sell you new ones. They were too good and kept people off of new stuff, so they banned them.
3:40 I vaguely remember there used to be an FTK Deck during this time that played Book Of Taiyou at that time. Konami used to hit these kind of decks hard and fast because it was a playstyle they actively disapproved of. I think this was part of that.
It is.
The deck was a cyber jar variation
I’m pretty sure upperdeck made that ban list. It was the first time that there was separate ban list for the tcg and ocg. It didn’t go over well.
Ritual Beast Ulti-Cannahawk Limited to 1 in November 2015, the same list that banned several Shaddol Cards, Nekroz Cards and Apoqliphort Tower's. This deck, topped A FEW REGIONALS in Europe through out 2015, that's all it ever did but it was SOMEHOW considered to be on the same level as 3 of the most powerful decks in Yugioh History(To this day, we still refer to cards as a "Construct" or a "Tower's" and Nekroz needs no introduction.). And that's without mentioning that B.A and Masked Hero were both pretty good here too. It was limited, for FIVE FKING YEARS. The thing is, this limit completely killed the deck too.
I'm pretty sure this was only done because people hated playing against Ritual Beasts. This deck wasn't nearly as good as the others, nor deserved a hit, and I'm sure Konami knew that. But so many players were whining about it, so I guess they just did it for that.
It came 3rd at Worlds that year behind tellarknights and nekroz.
I'd hate it too when one turn would take LITERALLY FIFTEEN MINUTES TO MAKE A MEDIOCRE BOARD
I can't believe I bought this yu gi oh meta deck, and konami killed it.
@@AzulTheCerulean20 Worlds isn't a good parameter, though. BA wasn't even legal, and Shaddoll wasn't viable at all. Ritual Beasts had a decent matchup against Nekroz, but were pretty bad against the rest of the meta.
when this prompt started the first thing i thought of was breaker, for like 2 years i had no idea wtf konami was doing with breaker changing on basically every single list. the most hilarious part is from the first time he was unbanned he was absolutely useless in the format and konami just banned him again for no reason, every time he came back, he did nothing, and then would get banned again. it was the most bizarre thing i've ever seen in yugioh banlist history..... besides konami banning draguinty ravine instead of hitting the e-dragons... as a dragunity player, that one just hurt my soul. ravine didn't even come back for over a year despite the fact that the e-dragons were banned and ravine would do nothing at all in the meta..... well at least i got a playset of trident dragion back then so i could sell them for $500 in 2024
honestly while konami's sheer indecisiveness with breaker is brow-raising, it's not hard to figure _why_ they felt the need to keep him under lock in the first place. his time on the banlist coincides pretty well with the era of limited mst, where playable generic backrow removal was at a premium to the extent that top decks were maining _dust tornado_ all the way into edison. a normal summon that could either be a 1900 body or an immediate backrow pop is an easy candidate for a hit under that ethos, esp. when it saw _some_ sideboard play in the moments where it was free
Joseph, my friend, my comrade in arms, Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Spirit was limited until January of 2015 and only came full off in April of 2015. It went from 1 -> 2 on the same banlist that hit Nekroz.
For those who want context, Spirit was hit on the September 2013 banlist, which was the first banlist since the OCG and TCG had combined banlists that they split again. It notably included a ton of pre-emptive hits to decks like Fire Fist, Mermail, and Dino Rabbit for some reason. The idea one would imagine at the time was that by hitting Dragon Rulers, decks from previous formats would be a lot more dominant, but as any intelligent person could tell you the big dragons are also so incredibly broken on their own (at the time) that it just resulted in them dominating everything.
In glad they split the lists. The combined lists were terrible. We'd get products 3 to 6 months later and OCG had already hit the decks people were wanting to play. It's not like I went to tourneys but my friends and I would still follow the list even at college.
@@Lord_Phoenix95 Yeah with the benefit of hindsight it was obviously a good thing, but definitely at the time it was a really controversial change at least in part because the TCG banlist changes were way harsher than the OCG banlist (the banning of Elemental HERO Stratos comes to mind). Hilariously though, the OCG also hit 3/3.5 Axis Fire Fist, but their hit was a limit to Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Rooster, which at least in my opinion was a significantly less heavy handed hit. Getting your one copy of Rooster off of Horse Prince was always going to be easier than recycling your one copy of Spirit.
(A significant amount of deckbuilding during that year for me went into finding ways to make Constellar Ptolemy M7 because tbh Lion Emperor kind of sucked ass to make. I think the best engine I could find was Shogi Knight and Shogi Lance, which in the OCG came out early enough to be an option for their PRIO format but for us came out right before Spirit went up on the list).
Remember when they banned almost every single decent Tuner in the game just to keep Halqifibrax alive?
Pepperidge Farm remembers. Though Pepperidge Farm would rather forget.
But Pepperidge Farm can never forget, which is why Pepperidge Farm can never forgive.
and glowup bulb is still banned becuase of that
I mean, that doesn't really fit the thread, which was non-sensical hits with no explanation. This one is pretty self-explanatory, they wanted us to buy their entire stock of Duel Overload but not do anything with it.
@@ketsura3618tbf as long as there’s generic/semi generic link 1s like almiraj I don’t think bulb can come back
@@ManyTanks1 I don’t even think Glow Up is any more broken than anything else that can special summon itself from the GY. It even has a hard once per duel on it. I don’t think it’s that broken.
After he was done joking around, *even Joshua admitted Circular didn't need to be banned.*
This isnt unique to Yugioh but its interesting to see the duality of what the designers see as "unfair" vs the pros or even East vs West mindset.
Im sure there are some Yugioh pros on Konamis R&D but there will always be things that slip through
Some of the best Champion's from both the SJC and early YCS era were hired into that department, but Idk if it's clear on how much input they have on terms of final say in constructing banlists.
Unfair? They just want you to buy the new cards, goy.
The 3rd Sleepy Memory is literally drawing you 2 extra cards.
That hit 100% makes sense.
It also makes it so you can't search it 100% of the time
I dont think he meant that it doesnt make sense, but more in a sense "is the 3rd one really what is winning you games and whats making the deck broken"
@nbassasin8092 yeah the difference between always having sleepy and not always having sleepy is pretty huge in purrely
i was more upset when they put delicious at 1 if anything else.
And Purrely is doing WHAT competitively? Hot nothing except a top 64 every blue moon?
The ones that stick out to me are the "once per duel" cards that got banned. I remember even back in the day, Spore got a ton of heated discussion from both parties because it facilitated such good stuff, but only once. I always thought it was so silly to put any kind of limits on it because sure, running more than 1 means you're more likely to see it, but then also once it's gone your deck just has bricks in it now. I feel like the argument kind of makes itself considering people were running 3 Upstart for "consistency."
To this day I still will never understand why servant of endymion and electrumite were hit. I get limiting electrumite. But banning it was such a smooth brained move
Cause Konami TCG specifically hates pend. That's why it will never be unbanned
Because KoA has a hateboner for pends.
There are very few pendulum hits that still make sense. Every pendulum deck has either been powercrept, destroyed by MR4/MR5, or is unplayable because of the banlist. Heck, Performages haven't even gotten most of their cards because of PePe.
That said, Endymion _is_ one of the few pendulum decks that is still viable at all. I don't think it warrants Electrumite staying banned though. Especially because the deck's strength is in the meme card.
@@gyppygirl2021 Ya funny enough master duel has shown it can come back the best think you can do with it Is lock your opponent with vaylantz with a very long and fragile combo.
I was playing Endymion back then. Even without having Selene yet, the deck was still _easily_ spitting out 5 negates. Upstart Goblin and Into the Void were at 3, too. Endymion wasn't seeing much meta play yet, but a ton of tiered decks took heavy hits on that same ban list, and I had the impression that Konami was worried about Endymion dominating in that power vacuum. It was definitely a preemptive hit.
As soon as the link master rule was changed (forgot the number but basically when links were released you couldn't summon ANY extra deck monsters into your regular monster zones unless a link was pointing to it. They changed it in the next master rule), they limited ABC. Immediately. The deck did fuck nothing, was unlimited soon after and proceeded to continue doing fuck nothing.
I remember winning a handful of games at a local tournament in like, early 2004 while playing Reflect Bounder. A combination of different burn effects available-Magic Cylinder, Ring of Destruction, etc.-made Reflect Bounder a dangerous card to ram into. Plus, it was a LIGHT monster for Chaos decks.
Really wishing you talked about Dark Scorpion - Chick The Yellow being semi-limited to hit an OTK (attacking and looping Call Of The Haunted with him)... an OTK that wasn't even possible anymore when he was hit, because Makyura The Destructor, the other part of the OTK, was banned in the same list.
Master Duel hits are a combination of raw data (without common sense) and trying to avoid hitting URs.
I still maintain the opinion of Yata and Time Seal having been banned for so long were for casual level play and not tournament level play. Those two stopped being good around late 5Ds but maintained a level of notoriety among casuals for looping players out of the game. Yeah they were easily dealt with if you knew what you were doing but were a menace for people just playing for the first time. But now the game is at such a level where it’s expected even a casual player can easily deal with those cards and I agree
I do wonder if a modern meta deck could compete against a fully powered Chaos list (pre-errata CED, Witch, Sangan, Sinister Serpent). I would guess yes, but the matchup would be interesting.
@@ryanchase9332 Its all about the interaction. Old decks didn't have it. No quick effects really. So if the opponent was doing lots of popping and negating then yeah. It won't last outside of a few niches. The way you play just changed too much. You would take some wins if you build for the modern match up but the actual deck variants being run back then might not have done it. Against modern the strongest deck would probably just be stun with some of the more broken cards thrown in.
Negates just weren't as common back then which is why CED was so scary. Nowadays it would need to go after you baited everything. So throwing dark holes and raigekis first is a must.
@@ryanchase9332The old chaos deck gets murdered pretty hard I would assume. No interaction turn 1 (and no broken board breaker), no way to establish a difficult board.
Someone tried to sneak in Sharvara, but that card deserves to be to 1. Especially because it gives the deck easy access to High Caesar, which is a powerful D/D/D boss monster and the reason you play that deck. Kinda crazy Unchained could summon it by easier means than the deck it was designed for
The funny thing is its way tougher to deal with in unchained than in DDD because the layered interactions protect each other so well. Ss fenrir? Well escape or soul of rage can pop it and then you need something else to contest the ceaser.
@@shawnjaverynot really, just pop it with contract with the witch. The reason it is better is because D/D/D just can't play through nib and the only way is to have a 3 card combo with subpar endboard to the main combo. You would be lucky to end on a single disruption through two weak handtraps in D/D/D too
@@yunfanji Never heard of that witch card until now and I have never seen it in any replay so far.
@@chewdoom8415 yeah D/D/D has not changed much, dark contract with the witch was mainly used as extra layered disruption that prevents dark ruler no more. Most recent lists you'll probably see play with the armored XYZ kali yuga stuff but it is not really much better. Even without that card they can also use headhunt (that's pretty standard). Anyways, my point is that it is not really because of what they said but because D/D/D is just much worse at dealing with interruptions and requires more engine comparatively.
Sharvara to 1 (and air lifter for that matter) would've been fine hits if it wasn't for snake-eye getting its second wave pretty much immediately after, essentially just removing unchained as a viable deck for the following format, which no one really liked and many were priced out of. Also not sure why you're bothered unchained used caesar and machinex, yubel is going around using the unchained extra deck stuff now, it's not like archetypal bosses tend to stay in their own decks in yugioh, at least caesar saw some play this way, barely anyone is out here playing ddd anymore
brotherhood of the fire fist spirit got limited because they were still matching the OCG list at this point and we had a 3-axis version of fire fist that relied on this card + rooster which came out in the set after dragon rulers to make synchro plays and was a good deck in the ocg. since it got hit before it got any play in the TCG, the card seems like it would never be good in that deck, there is a clear combo with these cards.
basically, you use spirit to summon out rooster and rooster says WHEN it is summoned by a fire fist monster, you can add a fire fist monster from your deck to your hand. rooster also let you send a fire formation you have on the field to set another from the deck. spirit is what enabled rooster and as a tuner it also let you make the synchro which on summon brings out a level 3 fire fist from the deck. this hit was substantial because it definitely would’ve been a solid deck possibly during that format but mainly in the following format. it was busted in the OCG, which actually meant something back then as they shared lists.
This is incorrect. We weren't matching the OCG, because it was the banlist where the TCG and OCG lists split up and we literally hit a different Fire Fist monster than they did lol. Spirit was never hit in the OCG, Rooster was. What is true though is they actually had Rooster ahead of us though, Rooster was a TCG Import in Judgment of the Light.
@@lamiaprincess6371 you’re right, that’s the banlist where it shifted but it’s still correct that the hit is probably the second biggest reason why 3 axis didn’t see tcg play, the first being it came so late. i was playing at the time and opened JOTL and was excited when i pulled the rooster only for it to be useless very very quickly.
@@hasan7275 Yeah it's a huge reason 3-Axis wasn't popular. 1 Rooster is a lot easier to recover from than 1 Spirit, which was easily the most important card in the deck.
Saying spirit wasn't good in Fire fist is wild. It was one of the center cards for the 3 axis variant that was popular af
my take is that they hit almost all of the rather decent recent decks (unchained, rescue ace, purrely, and mathmech) to force snake eyes to be the best deck in the current format
There were good reasons for all of those hits. They killed infernoble and tear because they were dumb combo decks that didn't have consistent answers going second outside of shifter, which most decks can't run.
Rescue ace and unchained were both super flexible decks that often felt like it was on the opponent to play into what you have than for you to beat with better play. Noir is just a very frustrating card for decks to deal with in general, and being able to draw 6 in particularly was kinda dumb. Circular is just a very over tuned card.
I'm still on rescue ace now and when you go first with the deck you win if you resolve turb lose if you don't. There's also hands where your opponent can't stop turb, because your deck is able to dodge targeted negation with sp and emergency for some reason. It was completely justified to hit lifter on that list and I'm kinda disappointed they didn't hit emergency on the last list as well, because then I'd have an excuse to drop the deck.
I know Stratos is an old meme at this point, but I'm still surprised to not see it mentioned
People didn't really think it was unjustified when it was hit. It just stayed on for a good 2 years or so after it would have had an impact on the format.
@@shawnjaveryHonestly I could understand back then, since it was a non opt search (although, it wouldn't get abused nearly as it is today) a free mst at worst and a free harpie's feather duster at best. After Infernities came out, there was no reason it should've still been banned.
@@RahnonymousThat's usually the problem with the banlists, they eventually ban most of the broken cards that people usually agree should go (sometimes they don't but the card eventually gets powercrept so people stop complaining), but they take so long to bring back cards that are no longer a problem and I just don't see why it takes them so long
@@chrisb.2028 cough harp horror, cough infernity archfiend+launcher
@@Rahnonymoustbf the main problem card in orcust is mermaid, not harp
At the very least these mistakes are rectified quickly. Still have no idea why Sekka's Light is still at one. That card made for some of the most interesting deckbuilds I've done in awhile. It's really cool playing decks like Fur Hire or Spright without their spell traps and just adding extra extenders to keep the engine going
OCG banning pestilence is like watching a pandemic era cimo tier list, seeing the eev picture go in tier 0 and hearing the same joke for 2 years.
The case to be made for semi-limiting Purrely memories is that My Friend does Bingo Machine Go style searching, so having less than exactly 3 copies makes that far less reliable for searching, and it also greatly lessens the chances of any Purrely main deck flipping a memory up.
The problem is, because of the above, Purrely is on a razor's edge in relation to the banlist. If anything gets hit, the deck practically dies because of the _huge_ consistency hit that causes.
I'm super annoyed that they basically killed Purrely, especially because it's honestly not hard to out. Playing Kaiju / DBarrier / Herald of the Abyss immediately outs a high mat Noir, or you can also draw enough to power through until it gets to 4 or less mats and you can just get rid of it then.
surprised no one mentioned Dark Scorpion - Chick The Yellow getting hit because of a potential hand loop combo that no one played
I'm sure that some played... But they couldn't anymore because of the ban to the other part of the loop being banned.
Bad hits like these are part of the reason I maintain that historical formats should be played under custom banlists instead of historical ones. For most of Yugioh's history, the lists were either out of sync with the card pool (due to OCG/TCG sharing lists) or driven largely by pseudo-rotation to sell product instead of promoting a good format.
Because that's not historic then.
That's just a custom format.
The fun of the formats is seeing what went under explored historically
They hit Ulti-Cannahawk to 1 for what feels like eons, like 3-4 years after Ritual Beasts were basically unplayable (Forget the good placing in that one regional). Hawk was still at 1 all the way after they made the Link-2 RB which basically made the deck playable again, and the ban only ended up kinda making the combo longer because we had to make sure to recycle the Cannahawk with every use. This hit particularly hurt the deck, because if anything happened to Cannahawk, it was an instant surrender, but also it basically just made Rampengu unable to search half the deck without gimping the deck entirely.
I think the worst thing about this hit, aside from the length, was the sheer misunderstanding by the community. I've heard multiple yugitubers and commenters say Cannahawk hit was because the combo took too long. No, the combo length stays EXACTLY the same length with 1 Cannahawk to 3. Especially with the Link-2, the combo became shorter, and RBs didn't even have longer combos than the meta deck at the time, fucking Drytrons. The only thing the Cannahawk hit did was basically just nerf Rampengu, one of the better starters in the deck.
Anyways, it's at 3, and I can use Rampengu again, but they'll strike again when Konami releases the new support that's already like 3-4 months later than around the same time frame Japan got them
I don't think Konami wanted to make the combo shorter. I think they wanted to discourage people from playing the deck so that whiny players would stop whining about the length of the combo.
@@juliamedina3322 Ok, but again, Ulti-Cannahawk was at 1 long after a lot of decks with much longer combos have already come out. Basically every single Pend decks, Drytrons, the average Halqdon combos, Thunder Dragons, I could go on.
The problem with IRL ygo was that people would bring this deck without getting enough practice and lose track of what they special summoned, doing their combos particularly slowly.
But objectively, the length of an RB combo is not even that long. When I did it at locals, people around me didn't care cuz they spent longer just looking at their options and thinking, while I had actually practiced the deck and knew the lines.
@@monkeylemur Oh, I agree with you 100%. This is the most ridiculous hit in the history of the banlist. And other decks have taken way longer to do their combos.
I'm not defending Konami, I think they super screwed up with this. I'm just saying what I think their reason was. But I certainly don't agree with it. And yeah, RB combos didn't take very long if you knew what you were doing. I also didn't take long, but like you said, some people were pretty slow because they lacked practice, so other players got annoyed and blamed the deck.
imagine if Konami actually makes Ojama lime one day then bans all the Vanilla ojama's just out of spite for those who want Ojama Lime, but it's effect revolves around having at least one of those vanilla ojama's.
6:29 brotherhood of the firfist spirit was actually used a decent amount during that time due to 3 axis firefist i dont remember the full combo but youde normal it to ss rooster rooster grab tenki tenki search, rooster send tenki for tension go into horseprince, ss another monster maybe another rooster since its second d effect was a soft opt but it was an endless conga line of assholes
breakers limit and ban made total sense. up until like 08 having a 1900atk lvl4 beater was a great piece to have on board to maintain tempo. keeping one of those monsters on the field during turn 1 and 2 would set you up for a tribute or a synchro summon. the fact breaker was also a spot MST back when battle traps and most floodgates (albeit ones used in OG style burn strats) were at their peak. breaker always shoudve been at 1 or banned. OP is full of S#!T and never played that format.
I think you misunderstood,
My contention was the flip flopping
I absolutely did play during that time frame, and I'm sure it would have been absolutely fine being *consistently* limited in the relevant time period, rather being bounced back and forth
You looked at the Fifth Gadget, Trooper Monarch, PTDN Gladiator Beast lists or DAD Return and telling me BREAKER was a ban worthy card?
Bro, you could not be more wrong about Fire Fist Spirit.
It was limited because it was THE BEST Fire Fist monster.
Spirit being limited was the only reason that Fire Fist wasn't a meta threat the entire time it was limited. Dragon rulers would not have been the tier 0 monster that they were if spirit wasn't limited.
It went to 2 at the start of Nekroz format and Jeff Jones immediately won a YCS with it. And it was topping regionals all over the place.
Fire Fist spirit was the sole reason that anyone even considered 3 axis Fire Fist. And then later 3.5, which proved to be the best build.
I went to my first locals 2 months ago and said: "omfg, fountain is not limited in the tcg?" Out loud after my opponent played his second copy (banished the other one)
I remember reading a pojo guide book talking about the mask of darkness/tsukuyomi/timeseal loop. Apparently it was real at the time, but I wonder how retroactive deck building would look at its effectiveness now.
Totally random but I need to share this. I wanted to rewatch these but didn’t want to do so I order cause I normally watch them as they’re posted and it felt repetitive to watch the most recent ones/oldest ones in order, so I played the playlist on shuffle.
The RANDOM SHUFFLE that happened put this video directly BEFORE the one he did about cards that had been on the list instead of other cards, which he references in this video! Just a crazy coincidence I needed to share.
Double Iris Magician and SKJ getting banned were two of the fucking stupidest pre-emptive bans ever. I do not give a fuck what Iris Searched. Joker searched solely on Normal. If they were gonna pre-hit anything they should’ve put them to 1, and put Astrograph and Chronograph to 1 like the OCG.
Ban reason: senseless pendulum hate. It happens all the time. Just because there was ONE tier 0 pendulum format (that got hit almost immediately in the TCG), pendulum players are never allowed to have nice things again.
A lot of these have a simple explanation. Konami hates budget players (or more positively, they love people that paid a thousand dollars + for their decks), if a budget deck becomes viable, Konami will hit it quickly to promote the decks that are more expensive.
Symbol of Heritage, Dewloren, and Power Tool Dragon is literally every FTK of that timespan. The one month FTK actually used that exact interaction
Theyre probs not meta relevant though yeah
Symbol of Heritage wasn't banned coz of Lonefire, it was banned coz of Blaze Phoenix FTK, with it being used to bring back Ancient Fairy Dragon. Yea, that card so strong that it had to be banned? Try resolving it FOUR times in a turn lmao
This is a topic that has a ton of examples that just wouldn't fit in one video. And not just for OCG/TCG, but also Duel Links and Master Duel.
Take Condemned Witch and Kozmotown in Duel Links for example. Both came out in Phoenix Blaze at the start of the year and were slapped with a Limited 3. But on the March 8th banlist, they both became Unlimited. Making us question, why were they Limited in the first place?
Also another one is Dark Scorpion - Chick the Yellow, being Semi-Limited in April 2005, only to go back to Unlimited the very next list. Why was this hit again?
And of course, Terraforming getting banned in Master Duel. Why? Likely yet another Floo hit for no goddamn reason.
Classic konami move to hit pestilence instead of the actual pandemic card: Pandemic Dragon
Runick fountain kinda makes sense. If you open a fountain, you can draw six, which is kinda nutty. And yes, you can use freki to do the same thing, but in that scenario, you could draw nine.
I'm surprised it wasn't in the video despite it getting a lot of likes on twitter but I'm curious would anything bad happened if sekka's light became unlimited?
I’m the biggest purrely defender there is, and I’m to this day championing for the return of sleepy and delicious to 3. HOWEVER, I do understand why they semi’d sleepy. I mean, drawing 6 is kind of nuts when your deck allows about 18 slots of non-engine.
Oh god the outro. If we talk about Master Duel and/or Duel Links Forbidden and Limited list, we would have a whole podcast for each.
Oh runick fountain to 2 came up so often for me. I run 2 cosmic since that offers the probability of drawing it that I appreciated the most. And being able to knowing wait to get rid of all the fountains and be able to beat them on the grind game is huge.
One of my favorite questionable hits will always be that time Injection Fairy Lily was at 1 for no reason.
Fairy Lily plus Megamorph
@@benallen7704 A pairing that was hilariously inconsistent back then. So much so that Lily went back to unlimited on the next list.
At 1? The card got banned.
Are you talking about arguably the best earth card of GOAT?
@@benallen7704 megamorph only increases original attack
Fire fist spirit was hit in prep for fire fist chicken coming to tcg from ocg when we were getting 3 axis fire fist deck that had been dominating ocg previously. We got it so late that it didnt really matter, but they hit spirit to 1 anyways just as "precaution"
Oh yeah Fire Fist Spirit was insane back when Three-Axis Fist was flat out the best deck. That needed to go to one.
There wasn't really a time where 3-Axis Fire Fist was the best deck unfortunately. The TCG only got Rooster less than a month before the banlist (and 3-Axis was not really comparable to both full power Dragon Rulers and Plant/Dragunity Rulers tbh) and Judgment of the Light also contained Coach Soldier Wolfbark, which led to 4-Axis Fire Fist (with some developments into 3.5 Axis Fire Fist pretty late on) being the dominant deck in the TCG.
The OCG probably did have a time where 3-Axis was quite strong though, if only because they actually got Rooster before Dragon Rulers even dropped, well for like a month I guess lol.
3:01 Part of the reason Sharvara got hit to one is because having three of it provided the deck with a LOT of consistency. It was just after Sharv got hit when the deck declined because the one sharv made it less consistent and more fair
Stratos
Banned in 2013
After it was no longer relevant
In Dragon Ruler format
Remained banned for years while other archtypes got more powerful equivalents to it.
Like Oviraptor for an example.
It was also a card with a history of mad pluses. That list was trying to address anything and everything as a clean slate from the ocg.
Ovi came 4 years later after hero had another stint of being meta relevant
Good Goblin Housekeeping. It was banned for a little bit because Komoney was hitting all the draw power in early yugioh. And then they realized nobody actually played it because it sucks.
Damn! Banlist history is so rich.
A Master Duel version of this video?
My theory is that the list that banned Servant of Endymion had multiple drafts and Konami initially intended to dance around the actual problem card (Electrumite), as they´ve done repeatedly over the years. Later they decided that Electrumite should go, after all, but forgot to scrape the Servant of Endymion ban from the list in return.
Kaiser coliseum is still the funniest ban and I still chuckle cause it was a huge middle finger to the one bujin player left at that point
I still remember Spirit being limited and I do actually remember it was being pretty heavily played at the time. No idea why that deserved a hit, but it was definitely around.
"We Are" back with another twitter thread is a good opening, thank you Dire
the fact that fiber jar has been hit for decades, remains one of the oldest banned cards still concurrently on the list, and is still banned is also a mystery.
It's not like it would ever see play (just like cyber jar hasn't).
Fiber Jar being banned isn't a mystery at all. It will remain banned forever for the same reason that it was banned in the first place, and the same reason that Self-destruct button is and always will be banned. Time issues. The fact that fiber jar can potentially reset the gamestate infinitely in a single game means that it'll never be allowed off the list, regardless of how bad it is.
Fiber Jar's ban is them unprinting the card. They wish they had never made it.
I remember when aromas came out they had a neat brilliant fusion line that was far from broken.....AND THEN THEY BANNED BRILLIANT FUSION, I don't even know what other decks were running it at the time but it hurt so bad
Symbol of heritage was limited because soul absorbing ftk where you loop it , lion of the ice barrier, a plague spreader while soul absorbing bone tower was on the field it was actually extremely consistent and I should know. I PLAYED IT!
Similar to Breaker I love how Konami could not for the life of them figure out how many Magician of Faiths we were allowed to have. Same forbidden/limited back and forth until it finally came off completely in fucking October 2014
Konami gonna see this video be like "aight bet" and ban Sakitama or something equally random.
I died laughing at the "loop timeseal" comment
whoever made it, thank you
mask being limited might have been partly due to having a similar effect to magician of faith, so someone probably figured if faith was on the list, they should probably limit mask
also you were right about protector, that was basically the combo
Symbol of Heritage was banned because of Dark Strike Fighter and Dewloren, Tiger King FTK. Hard opt wasn't a thing back then. The whole point of summoning Dewloren was to bounce Heritage and sacrifice Dewloren to Fighter.
One I remember was in the middle of gx era and they were promoting Zane truedale and tried to push a cyber dragon tin… just to limit cyber dragon making its whole archetype useless. Like no one could summon cyber end or twin without fusion substitute
The Sharvara hit is legit just cause if you have at least two you can do some really stupid stuff. Like you get a lot more interaction than you think if you have it under a Caesar and know what you are doing.
I love the hits where they just limit the card to the correct ratio to play instead of hitting the actual problem. That's like limiting Gem Knight Garnet instead of banning Brilliant Fusion.
Hitting Diameter instead of Circular in MD...
Everything surrounding Firewall Dragon until they decided to hit Firewall itself. It was clear that A - Assault Core was not the problem card but they hit it anyway
I remember nobleman of crossout having a weird time on the ban list. Would go to 1, 2, 3 then 1 again and 2 always had to check on how many can be ran
Reflect bounder was awesome to play and frightening to go against, when both players were 12 years old
Desires make perfect sense. Swordsoul was the best deck in the format, and one of the reasons whyvis that they could play this card without a single issue making them play with one extra card in most games. Bird-up and Tri-Brigade before it were also great in large part thanks to it
Shocked no one brought it up and I believe it was around the time we hit VFD in the tcg. The ocg just ended up limiting it.
an 8th of the video being an ad is wild
Your complaining about two minutes come on and let the man make a living it’s not like you can’t just skip it
These marketing guys really know you duelist are to lazy to cook when they target these creators
@@shaggycrow Technically it's barely over one minute. It's just kind of a short video. Though yeah, guy needs to eat, feels like a strange thing to complain about.
not a big deal man
Ads help him make more content. Same thing with tv & commercials
hey thats me at the very end!
Conq to 2 in MD for Eldlich was still one of the funniest bans
A-Assault Core.
I don't need to say more
unfortunately, "A" would not fit the criteria for this thread. We knew exactly why "A" was banned, to pay for Firewall's sins. I do remember it being one of the last, and most ridiculous, card to be hit instead of Firewall.
@@nebbythewhale6450 good point. I guess my reasoning was "why this and not firewall"
@@zigzag321go Yeah, it was insane that they hit "A" and not literally any of the cards that actively made the various firewall ftks work. I like to think this was Konami's "Come to Jesus" moment about Firewall. The point where they realized that they had gone too far defending Firewall.
To be fair to Mathmech in Master Duel, Maxx C really stops the deck in its tracks. And it wasn't that long ago that it was the best deck.
It was actually a fun meta compared what we have today
Mathmech has never been the best deck. It was top 3 at best.
I‘ve never understood why they hit it. (Btw. I’m not a cyberse player)
RIP for my boy Wind-up Carrier Zenmaighty still rotting in jail to this day.
Seriously, who would even touch Wind-ups if they let him out?
if they let out zenmaighty then they probably immediately ban hunter
If you ask me out of all of these the healer hit is the weirdest. Hitting sunvine healer did nothing to the combo as there where already alternate combos that some argued where better. I often forget that healer is banned when building because you only need one of anyway. in testing there there are some edge cases in long running duel where you could use a second healer but those are so rare and often you can design around that with thereon cards.
Symbol of Heritage was a staple in Tenju Plants back then
They limited Fissure and Smashing Ground at one point.
Hitting Master Plan instead of Souls was certainly something.
I think in Duel Links there's a card that says "burn your opponent for 100 for each card in their hand" that's limit 1 and I don't understand in what world this would be a broken effect.
Iirc when it got limited it was before the burn changes where it'd burn twice as much as before, and there was some degen burn deck that abused it.
I still remember the years where Konami were adamant that solemn warning and solemn judgement should be banned when they were just fine at 1
dont forget they unban some cards that should never be unbanned like stratos
75 hours and some amount of views? bro is growing in the algorithm.