Porsche 911 GT3 4.0 - Overs may now be Over!
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
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Could Overs now be Over! Certainly for some GT Models
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What a great video insight. I owned a 991.2 GT3, after a string of non gt cars like 996 c4s, 997 GTS and 991.1 GTS and was the best car I’ve ever owned for track and road use. I bought the car used with a few hundred miles on once the initial premiums had dropped, sold four years later for £10k less, after 10k of pure fun. I’ve tried the 992 GT3 and dpfound it way too hard for the road, so ordered a Boxster 4.0 GTS 18 months ago which arrives next month, to me a fantastic toad focused Porsche, for reasonable money and with the 4.0 engine, in my mind better than the spider which is now too firm (gt4) and made in lower numbers than the gt4 and spiders. There are more 992 gt3 for sale than carrera, hence the prices are as you say falling. The 991 touring gt3 is a great call, seen them come off to £180k, which looks good value
Thank you - I had someone today say to me the 4.0 in the GTS could be the sweet spot! I need to review one soon! Maybe I drive every 4ltr series!
Doesn’t the purported long gear shift deter you from the GTS boxster?
Not really with the PDK and tor hue of the 4.0 I honestly didn’t really notice it and was really fun in back b road, great size as not as bulky as 992
@@ghowells5433 yes PDK would make sense if the hearings too long to utilise the gear shift… shame tho
Emissions I guess
Invest in Real Estate - A GT3 Touring Manual should be driven and enjoyed. I’m not saving mine for the next guy - I’m 62 years old - on my 7th 911 (992 GT3 Touring Manual). Unless you can let me borrow your Time Machine and I can go back to being 25 years old again , then I might wait for a better deal. Drive her like it’s your last day on earth. Just my 2 cents …
Exactly well said. 50 next year and after a cancer battle myself I understand that time here is shorter than people think. If you’re into cars investing is better spent elsewhere.
Agreed. 61 years old, 3rd 911, this one being a 991.2 GT3. Super fun car, why leave it in the garage?
Fairly sure the ST does have the same engine as the 992 GT3 RS
The Dakar has the 3.0 ltr twin turbo from the 992 GTS
The GT4 & Spyder have a 4.0 , but it isn’t the GT3 engine
The GT4 RS and Spyder RS do have the GT3 engine
Hi Richard, yes should be on the text on the video as I got muddled up, too many different models 🤣
Great video and spot on regarding the numbers, a 996 GT3 RS at £150k seems like the one to have and the original Mezger 👍🏻
Thank you, I should do a video on 996/997 GT3 they are great to drive.
Porsche have mastered/milked the marketing of all these different variants off the same platforms/engines...crazy when you lay it out in this format...
Unlimited number of limited editions.
Great video, we are considering a GT3 (992), but not sure when to jump. 992 GT3 local allocation has been done. Have a 992 S which we will keep a while longer.
Thank you, Going to another video on values in January, see where we are then.
Jan and then maybe June (lol)@@Challengetheroad
Would really appreciate a video insight into the m3 touring, I have a 2022 Macan GTS and considering a m3 touring but feel the price is going to reduce a fair bit once the initial bubble has deflated, and dealers seem to have a lot available as new stock. I’ve always hated SUV’s but as a daily, the Macan GTS is pretty special, maybe even a better road all rounder than the m3
Thats really strange - I was going to film BMW Estate v Audi estates soon - I am thinking Audi RS4 until the M3 Touring comes down to 60k ish. Maybe Alpina b3 too
@@Challengetheroad fantastic will look out for it, the 2022 Macan GTS is also worth a look, accepting it’s a dreaded suv …
Just found your channel, really enjoyed this video, I’ll sub and watch some others, cheers. Keep well.
Very interesting and informative. Gulp; i've been fortunate enough to spec a GT3 and it's arriving late December 23. By then it seems the residuals will already be a lot lower than the heady over-lists we have all seen. That's the way it goes though.
Still a great car - Spec is important for values - Carbon seats and Carbon brakes make a difference for the future value. Wish I had a gt3 on order.
@@Challengetheroad Many thanks. I'd dealy love to email my GT3 spec to you for your valued opinion. No problem if this is a bit out-of-order & not RUclips etiquette. I'll send an enq to your website, thanks. Ignore it though if this isn't the done-thing.
Send it over 👍
@@Challengetheroad Thanks. I'm a bit thick; what's your email address please? I'll send the Porsche Spec (Porsche Swindon) as a pdf.
I'm very happy for you my man?
The GT3 is my dream car, especially in manual.
Wouldn't mind seeing your spec tho
Really enjoyed this..... good content. As a 991.1, 2 and 992 owner/fan this is all gold.
Thank you - more Porsche content soon 🙌
Can you make a similar video on the Cayman GT4 981 and 718 please?
Hopefully driving the 981 GT4 on Tuesday 👍
Makes sense. I think the same thing is happening here in Australia.
I used to own a 997S but always wanted a GT3 RS ever since i saw a GT car as a kid. I could just about scrape the money together for a new one. Trying to secure an allocation for a new car was near impossible at Porsche dealers. I certainly wasn't buying as an investor, just a Porsche enthusiast. I couldn't afford the overs on a GT3 or RS on a 2nd hand car. It seems to me at least, you have to either be an extremely good customer with Porsche or in the right circles to secure an allocation on a new car. Great cars, but only for the lucky few.
Thank you, about to change with this market drop hopefully
All high end cars have a bit too fall...I'd be waiting till the end of 2024 for a bargain.
Check 992 turbo S prices....I bet people who paid overs have had a bit of a shock 😂
Crazy the 992 turbo dropped 30/40k almost overnight and some dealership apparently have 15 in Stock!
@@Challengetheroad I know...I follow the turbo S and new GT3. Both are available in large numbers on autorader and are not selling. Not seen Porsche discount new cars since early 2000s. Check out Porsche taycans....they can't sell them.
Fingers crossed this will teach Porsche dealers a bit of respect for their customers.
The dealership network have had it to easy with people queuing to buy their cars.
I'm waiting till the end of 2024 to buy..... prices will continue to fall , economy and rates will guarantee that.
Great video! 991.2 gt3 sitting 120-140k atm. How low do you think they’ll go? 992 turbo s is another interesting watch
I think the 991.2 gt3 is too high if the 992 gt3 keeps dropping. 110/125k for 991.2 gt3 - 992 Turbos dropping very fast at the moment, so many for sale
Nice video. Porsche make the biggest profit margins out of all the car manufactures. Then dealers put a greedy over list price on top not good. Keep up the good work
What do you think about 997 gt3/rs? probably my favourite generation after Hammond drove it on top gear. They did the 4.0 of that as well.... Little more expensive tho
Thanks Jake for commenting, I really want a 997 GT3 RS in Mexico Blue! I also love the look of the 997 in GT3 standard form.
You so right, you can’t make so many and expect them to be an overs market!
It’s more democratic, it mean you have more of a chance to actually own and drive one
Porsche don’t make any more themselves so prob not too worried about the overs market not being there, ok investors will quit the market but that’s not really a bad thing really, you just don’t want drastic depreciation and there as great cars they are you won’t get that really just a slow depreciation curve then an uplift if they get coverted in future, but let’s be honest most of the time the newer car is probably (not always) a better car though they get it right most of the time
You are 100% correct and hopefully now the enthusiasts can get the cars they will drive
Interesting what you are seeing in the UK. In the south US there are 2 GT3's 992 at my dealer. Both around $280k with an original sticker of $215. Both have about 700 miles on them. I would love for them to be at original MSRP, but we aren't seeing that yet.
This January coming they will down near Sticker!
No they won’t lol!
I’m relieved the froth is coming off, I’m too old school to of borrowed money to buy one of these beasts on cheap finance… I guess that’s come to an end and I’ll finally allow myself to indulge before I’m too old to get out the thing
Thats the end for now - interest rate hit and over supply of special editions - great time for you to buy this winter.
@@Challengetheroad I reckon the markets will bite a bit deeper first
Sensible money goes in to a 981 GT4. Of course I am bias
Thats one of the next videos - done all the research on production numbers etc. Pre video on GT4 is this Weds
Great video. Although worth noting that Porsche will be raising retail prices on the GT models I believe next year yet again which will have an impact on values of current stock. I think they will hit list and then rise slightly but I agree the overs market is dead (thankfully).
Going to be an interesting 6 months with the new 992.2 coming out too, overs hopefully ending at last!
997.1 GT3 RS is the sweet spot and values still reasonable
I drove one recently at Silverstone and it was may favourite car from the day! including gt3 and gt2 991 that I drove on the day.
I’ve just got an allocation for GT3RS 992 delivering mid next year, will be paying MSRP. should I take it or should I wait for 992.2
💯 take that order! Thats the one to have and what a car! Enjoy it
@@Challengetheroad thank you! will sign the contract on Monday
Great video. I want a speedster so badly
Thanks Dan, I really want a GT Silver Speedster Heritage car
That's the one with the heritage decals right? I saw someone buy one and then remove it because they didn't like it lol @@Challengetheroad
Richard, what do you think the better investment is from a percentage return on the purchase price. I am trying to decide between a 996.2 GT3 (not sure if I can afford it though), a 996 turbo, 997.2 C2S, or 4.7L V8 Vantage or N430 Vantage, or varioram 993 C2. Only considering manual transmission cars and good low mileage examples. Of course I know the stock market is a better investment, but I want a fun car, that I drive 1000 miles per summer and has the best chance at appreciating. Thanks so much for your guidance.
Hey Dylan, I have owned all of the above except the N430, I needed a few hours to think on this one. Driving wise I would rule out 996 - so we are down to Vantage/997s/993 - I would buy 997.1 GTS if its investment and low miles. Hope that helps Richard
Thank you Richard, love your channel and CTR Vantages. Please clarify, did you mean 997.1 GTS or GT3? I don’t think they made a 997.1 GTS, did you mean 997.2 GTS? Where I am in Canada, I believe we only got a 997.2 GTS. Thanks so much for your opinion, I do value it. Please keep creating the content, I’m gobbling it up :)
Hey Dylan, sorry yes .2 with the 3.8 - my brother in law had one and loved it. 👍
About 60k UK 🇬🇧 - Manual or PDK - PDK very good on this model
Is there any way to establish the production number of 991 GT3 Tourings and then to split that into LHD and RHD. The 56 UK Tourings must have all been RHD plus the ones that went to the other RHD countries. I know it is a category of a category and we aren't even talking PTS which I understand the UK Tourings did not have as an option but the other markets did.
I believe when considering possible future growth on a car value the above stats may go a long way to making you feel better when you buy although as we all know there are much better investments than cars.
Thats why I am still very keen on the 991 Touring and it maybe the better car! I will do more reseach on numbers 👍
There were 47 RHD 991.2 GT3 tourings delivered to the UK. Rather than a 911 R….. only difference is it’s manual only which many will prefer. 992 gave pdk option…
Sorry should read fewer than 911 R
DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT buy my GT3 RS...😂😍
Looks so good with the Black and Green accents 😍
What about 991.1 3.8 carrera S cabrio manual + X51?
Would love to drive one, I did have a 991 gt3.2 manual for a little while.
I ve go it but whitout the X51 kit.
Extremely pleasant car .
The only thing you don’t have is the 8000 till 9000rpm range.
For the rest on open roads the 400HP with the manual gearbox and the NA engine is already very rewarding especially with the roof open.
The 991.2 Speedster goes surely well above , but at 3 times the price.
Just hesitating the spend 10k€ for the X51 kit.
In my opinion this model is a collector .
😉
I agree. A couple generations ago, I think there were enough collectors to mop up everything that came out, and could justify owning multiples of what is essentially the same car. Now, even guys with the deepest of pockets probably won't justify the garage space of yet another 4.0 porsche 911. Let alone the questionable stock market and the end of crypto bros.
Thanks Craig, you are so right how can the collectors have so many 911s with 4.0 or Special editions like the Dakar and Sport Classic as well in turbo form.
Crypto hasn't gone anywhere. Lol. Crypto Bros be back in force over the next 2-3 years
The S/T has the same engine as the 3RS
Yes added in my text as mistake
@@Challengetheroad saw that later, too trigger happy 🙄
the time for "overs" is over. Which can only be a good thing.
Hopefully 🙏 I can buy back in!
@@Challengetheroad me too
Not if you want to spec a brand new GT3 2024 from a dealer. But not $100,000 anymore. I paid $40,000 over msrp and I will likely lose some money someday - but time is my problem at 71 and not money. Cars are not all about money. If you are borrowing money to buy a GT3 at 30 years old on the minimal down payment your just stupid. These toys are for guys that money is not that critical. So I lose $50,000 on this new 2024 GT3 - I lose or make three times that somedays in my portfolio as the stock market fluctuates. And when it goes down that isn’t all that entertaining. My kids can inherit cars rather than cash or stocks. My grandkids can likely sell it for a lot more than I paid someday when they are 50 years old. Pay cash for stupid cars - all your life - and amid your lucky someday like me- you will be able to pay cash for a GT3 as well.
@@jeffreykilpatrick3592 fair point. I am not looking to buy new and I'm not in the US. Fully agree that time becomes far more important than money
Pay cash for the best car your cash will buy. Someday this might be a 2038 911 GT3 - but today you can have tremendous fun in a Porsche built ten years ago and it will scare you to an inch of hyoid life on a mountain curve.
What do you mean the ST doesn’t have a 4l engine? It’s got the GT3 RS engine
My mistake - I add text on the video - so many different editions even I get muddled up 🤣
@@Challengetheroad soz mate was listening to it in the shower didn’t watch the video 🤣
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Love the car but so damn expensive.....
It’s been a great con by Porsche and folks just keep falling for it.
Their marketing and pretence of exclusivity plays on the minds of those who want the latest, but the newer GT variant values are plummeting along with the Turbo S
We should shortly be seeing 992 GT3’s well below £150k which will be good for real Porsche aficionados
Why does this guy keep saying the ST doesn't have to 4.0L?
Added in the text on the video my mistake with Sport Classic I had on my mind.