My Mom's 2002 Volvo S60 (5-Speed Manual) - POV Driving Impressions

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  • @TheTopher
    @TheTopher  Год назад +62

    Driving my mom's S60 one last time before it goes up for sale: annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/d/ypsilanti-2002-volvo-s60-speed-manual/7648315992.html
    Hoping it goes to a good home!

    • @veganjoy
      @veganjoy Год назад +2

      wish more CL ads were as nice as this one lol. absolute steal in this market at only $5k, hope it goes to a grateful home!

    • @megaxboxx
      @megaxboxx Год назад +7

      @@veganjoy a fwd manual 2002 170k miles volvo for 5k? a steal? XDDDD

    • @veganjoy
      @veganjoy Год назад +2

      @@megaxboxx i'd bet you can't find one as nice and well cared for as this one for less, around here even trashed ones with automatics are already 5-6k

  • @TheTopher
    @TheTopher  Год назад +713

    Just to clarify, Substitute Topher is not my mom

    • @smellylettuce
      @smellylettuce Год назад +19

      😂

    • @djrek521
      @djrek521 Год назад +7

      What do Substitute Topher mean?

    • @autoinsight.global
      @autoinsight.global Год назад +51

      ​@@djrek521 Both of them are Christophers (Tophers) and every now and then the other Topher makes a video on TheTopher channel. Maybe we could call him Topher Junior😂

    • @HifiByLeon
      @HifiByLeon Год назад +1

      😂😂😂

    • @maeng97
      @maeng97 Год назад +1

      Never would’ve known until u did

  • @hcgvr27
    @hcgvr27 Год назад +648

    Honestly when you first turned your head I thought it was going to be your mom 💀

    • @faeh2e1
      @faeh2e1 Год назад +28

      same 😂

    • @arshianihal2407
      @arshianihal2407 Год назад +2

      Or

    • @TopherDrives
      @TopherDrives Год назад +22

      very real jump scare

    • @alessioberard
      @alessioberard Год назад +3

      substitute topher jumpscare

    • @A_guan
      @A_guan Год назад +4

      Same! For a second I was like uhhh what?? That's not your mom 😂

  • @kugelschreiber5678
    @kugelschreiber5678 Год назад +294

    You're not fooling anyone, Topher. "Substitute Topher" is secretly your son, and Tedward is your brother. I get it man, as your loyal viewers, we'll hold onto your secrets.

  • @StephenAgneta
    @StephenAgneta Год назад +62

    His mom looks just like the other Topher

  • @mike-miranda
    @mike-miranda Год назад +15

    babe wake up thetopher dropped another banger

  • @CPMUNSEY
    @CPMUNSEY Год назад +28

    I remember when these first came out and thinking how much better looking they were than the previous ones. This will make someone a great little car. Very cool to see it still on the road and in good mechanical condition.👌🏽

  • @PaulsPlace
    @PaulsPlace Год назад +199

    Now this is tempting to buy, I have a soft spot for 5-cylinder Volvos. Always loved those, used to do regular maintenance on them in mechanics class in high school. Things are indestructible.
    Wife would probably hate me getting another car though 😂 I’ve ran out of room.

    • @faheemabbas3965
      @faheemabbas3965 Год назад +1

      Too bad Volvo is now a part of the alliance of planned obsolescence vehicle manufacturers.
      Among other companies

    • @seemaprathapan7354
      @seemaprathapan7354 Год назад +4

      I know you you are that guy with the red chewy cruze

    • @christian-van-e
      @christian-van-e Год назад

      I've once had this model, de 2.4 D5 (Diesel) engine; it was a great great car. Stil have a soft spot for it, too! And I still like the model!

    • @ralkia
      @ralkia Год назад

      my dad still drives his 05 X70 with da 5cyl... he has 330k miles and everything major is original :D

    • @AquaLady153
      @AquaLady153 Год назад

      better to ask for forgiveness than permission

  • @swizzlstyx
    @swizzlstyx Год назад +28

    had one of these N/A s60s for 4 ish years... I think these are super underrated vehicles. they don't rust out, decently reliable and very safe for the time period, and the design has aged a lot better than most sedans of the era. IMO this was one of the last old school "utilitarian" cars volvo made before they went upmarket and started making overcomplicated, disposable vehicles. Huge plus for this one is the lack of a sunroof, as the drains are known to clog and flood the footwells.

    • @T5_T-Rell
      @T5_T-Rell Год назад

      Imo as someone who’s owned 4 p2 01-04 s60 T5s the NA sounds the best too. They have enough power as a nice commuter but are definitely by no means fast, but with minor exhaust work they sound almost identical to a v10 and imo even better than the turbo models.

  • @DENTSHAVEMENTALILLNES
    @DENTSHAVEMENTALILLNES Год назад +24

    Your mom is pretty badass for driving a manual.

    • @mart43
      @mart43 Год назад +11

      I guess everyone in Europe must also be a badass....

    • @nightfarming4205
      @nightfarming4205 2 месяца назад

      @@mart43 i also live in europe but in America Manual cars were Rare, most cars were Automatic so if someone had a car with manual it was something special

  • @noahkang2417
    @noahkang2417 10 месяцев назад +1

    We are a Volvo family as well! My daily is an 04 S60R 6 speed, we also have an 04 V70 2.4 which we’ve had since new and my mom has a 2018 XC90. All of which are great cars. Love the Volvo content! Hopefully you get another 850, S60, or whatever in the future. I wish you lived closer to Seattle so my R could be reviewed. Anyways love the content.

  • @WillemVerb
    @WillemVerb Год назад +4

    I've never seen a manual with leather interior, so cool that your mom drives this.

  • @BSTheMadman1
    @BSTheMadman1 Год назад +12

    My mom had a first gen xc90. Rode to school in that. Fun features in it like the built in booster seat. Turbo I5. My mom let me shift the transmission in the passenger seat. Solid car. Cars from the early 2000s are just great. Maybe it’s nostalgia but I think that generation of automobile is my favorite.

  • @MrScott-eb8nl
    @MrScott-eb8nl Год назад +8

    this thing is so nice and so rare it deserves to be on cars & bids. hopefully the new owner takes just as good care of it!

  • @ehsanahamed7046
    @ehsanahamed7046 Год назад +11

    just thinking about a car from 20 years ago having such great quality leather and still runs with barely any rust to me is better than anything else i could buy.

  • @sebbieee100
    @sebbieee100 Год назад +6

    My first car in 2010 was a 04 s60 2.5t. I miss that car everyday, nothing like a Volvo. When he was talkin how smooth opening the doors were. I felt that so much haha

  • @victoryepik
    @victoryepik Год назад +4

    I really like this generation of volvos with subtle styling,safety and good to drive also very clean car man, congratulations to your mom to keeping this car on the road

  • @tapio_m6861
    @tapio_m6861 Год назад +1

    This was the peak Volvo era. Absolutely wonderful car to drive for long distances.

  • @adilkong7560
    @adilkong7560 Год назад +1

    this is literally the same spec as my first car! so much nostalgia watching this video. I almost have chills watching this

  • @BigBearBjorna
    @BigBearBjorna Год назад +6

    Crazy how the seats seem to be in such good shape, here in sweden alot of these old Volvos with leather seats have rips or cracks everywhere. The person who buys will be one happy person lol

    • @JacksonJervis
      @JacksonJervis 5 месяцев назад

      I own it! It’s a fantastic car. I am in fact a happy person.

  • @neo_falcon
    @neo_falcon 4 месяца назад +1

    Almost literally my Volvo-Same exterior color, but a 2001 auto with charcoal interior (an even less common color combo, seemingly). She's nearing 308K miles, and I had her for over 11 years, now (as of commenting). Named her after Jody Summer from F-Zero. These naturally-aspirated, 5-cylinder Volvos are criminally underrated. 🦾

  • @calamityyy
    @calamityyy Год назад +1

    I've owned a facelifted 2008 S60 2.4 5 cylinder, 5-speed manual, 170hp, Atacama Grey exterior with tan full leather interior just like in the video. It was a mighty car that, felt like a solid tank.
    The engine note and the doors/hood closing sound is all I needed to know.

  • @clover7359
    @clover7359 Год назад +4

    18:58 Fuel cutoff is 6900 rpm for the NA engine, but trust me, nobody is home past 6500 so you really want to shift by then.

  • @thuddiz
    @thuddiz Год назад +1

    this was my first car in 2014, but it was a 2001, same engine and manual gearbox! loved it, it was dark grey

  • @thomashatch8515
    @thomashatch8515 Год назад +4

    Nice! I had a 2002 S-60T Auto (Black on Tan). It actually was a great ! Pricey to maintain, but it never let me down. One of the safest cars out there, plus those seats...I could do1 0 hr trips. That open cubby in the center of the dash used to drive me crazy so I bought the optional factory cupholder that goes in there. The only complaint I ever had was the turning radius was horrible... Drove it to 105k and sole it for a decent chuck on change. Enjoy and hope it goes to a nice home!

  • @wpmedia6377
    @wpmedia6377 Год назад +1

    6:41 topher petting the owners manual is hilarious

  • @losingmyfavoritegame8752
    @losingmyfavoritegame8752 Год назад +3

    BEAUTIFUL! I would just say "Mom, can I have the S60? if I get 600k subscribers?" 😁 I inherited my sister's 2010 S40 2.4i. I love it love it! This will be interesting to watch. Volvo for life!

  • @Dreamlink91
    @Dreamlink91 2 месяца назад +1

    I owned newer cars, about 5 of them and this S60 i used as a beater meanwhile, he outlived all of them, never had any giant problems and im still using it to this day. 2.4 non turbo 2003 model. I rather put like 600 bucks into him like every 2 years and drive stress free than to pay 20k for newer cars.

  • @AndreThompson925
    @AndreThompson925 Год назад +2

    Good luck with sale! I just picked up recording devices to start making POV videos of my own, I just wanted to tell you that you guys and Tedward have really inspired me.

  • @VirtualGuth
    @VirtualGuth Год назад +4

    I love that this car was configured with a naturally aspirated engine and a manual transmission. It should provide many, many more miles of motoring. (Bonus of that era: no infotainment BS!!!). Overall a very nice car that appears to be in very nice condition. I hope that the next owner enjoys this car and takes good care of it like your mom has.

  • @qwertiee
    @qwertiee Год назад +2

    20:04 that little slot you guys were talking about is actually for the pop out drink holder found in the S60 in other regions. Search it up, it's a quirky little thing that folds out quite nicely :)

    • @PowerSlaveAlfons
      @PowerSlaveAlfons Год назад

      In addition to that, some models actually did have a full-on phone there.

  • @drdominodog5168
    @drdominodog5168 Год назад +4

    I learned to drive on a '05 automatic FWD. Mine was almost identical but in white. Mine finally went off to the scrap yard when I got a new WRX this past February. It's a shame these cars aren't worth the maintenance costs because they're such nice cars.

  • @blakedailey9548
    @blakedailey9548 Год назад

    This is the PERFECT Volvo design. I appreciate how lovingly maintained this one is.

  • @wert1897
    @wert1897 Год назад

    I got one, 2006 with a D5 163hp + 6spd spaceball manual. Rigid ass car, happy to rev, no weird noises, little to no rust, seats are phenomenal, audio system is above average to today's offerings. I believe the clutch also hasn't ever been replaced lmao

  • @JPVolvo
    @JPVolvo Год назад

    I grew up in Volvos too, my dad had a 98 S70, 04 S80 T6 and 08 S80 V8. My mom had two 07 XC70s too, that dash brings back a lot of memories.

  • @mevseverything483
    @mevseverything483 Год назад +2

    You and your whole family loves Volvos. That's amazing. I also love Volvos too

  • @dylanmiller9604
    @dylanmiller9604 Год назад +1

    The Volvo P2 chassis is a work of art. The 2.5T is a wonderful engine. Love my 07 XC70

  • @merin1093
    @merin1093 Год назад +2

    Absolutely love these, can’t wait to pick one up in the near future😍

  • @levonyoung3749
    @levonyoung3749 Год назад

    I just got a 2012 Volvo S60 T5 in march and I love it so much. It is actually my first car. It is really nice. It's fast, has really nice features especially for a 2012 and it just is an amazing first car. I am so glad to have it, but Im really just glad to have a car in general now. I would recommend buying one if you are interested it is definitely worth it. Volvo's are very nice and luxurious cars even older models like my 2012. They were way ahead of their time back then.

    • @klaspeppar5619
      @klaspeppar5619 Год назад

      You didn’t get the one with the Ford Power Shift? Right?😅

    • @levonyoung3749
      @levonyoung3749 Год назад

      @@klaspeppar5619 yea no I didn’t lol why?

    • @klaspeppar5619
      @klaspeppar5619 Год назад +1

      @@levonyoung3749 they are not very good, they are comparable to the GM 4T65 in the automatic P2’s with the Modular 6, but even less worse..
      They are so not good that Ford has been sued over them.

  • @terra6084
    @terra6084 Год назад +1

    i miss my 2002 volvo s60 T5 with the spaceball 5 speed, absolute blast to drive

  • @jacobikosolero6041
    @jacobikosolero6041 Год назад

    I have 2003 S80 with this engine and also with this transmission. I bought it 2 weeks after passing my driver's license and it's "The dream limo" 😎

  • @xxTosteRxx
    @xxTosteRxx Год назад +2

    I've got 2005 V70, which is same car but wagon. Handed down by my parents. Love it. I've had very same thoughts as you guy throughout the video. Biggest gripe is it's automatic and it pains me terribly. I never stop thinking about switching it for a manual.

  • @kylemontano228
    @kylemontano228 Год назад

    fellow manual red s60 here! bought my s60r a year and a half ago and i absolutely love it!! My 300hp vs. your mom’s 168 is an insane difference tho

  • @DoSum4Me
    @DoSum4Me Год назад +2

    That S60 is gorgeous. Love that it’s a 5 cylinder & manual. My mom still has her 2003 Volvo XC70 2.5T with 285k mi and it works great. I’ve been trying for years to get her to sell it to me lol.

  • @javianjohnson8746
    @javianjohnson8746 Год назад +1

    I remember seeing this car all over my neighborhood during the 2000s 😂 a cult classic for moms everywhere

  • @matureyoungman
    @matureyoungman Год назад +1

    Volvo has always been the classiest everday car on the market.

  • @Newyen6MT
    @Newyen6MT Год назад +2

    God the classic 5 cylinder sound never gets old. You should do an update video on your old 850 R! The P2 T5 turbo 5 speeds are a joy to drive

  • @tyler9703
    @tyler9703 Год назад +2

    These Volvos are definitely not the most exciting sedans on the planet, but theyre just really, really *nice*. I would absolutely love to daily drive one of these.

  • @tapio_m6861
    @tapio_m6861 Год назад

    We have almost the exact same family car history. We had a white 240 sedan when I was born, dad replaced that with a white 850 sedan, then a dark blue V70 which is the station wagon version of this S60. Then another V70, the last model.
    You can feel how the 850 was the basis for Volvo for the next decade. The V70s drove exactly the same way as the 850.

  • @edmi4816
    @edmi4816 Год назад

    It’s gorgeous imo….i have always loved the s60, back then and the current models are so beautifully designed!!!

  • @impulse922
    @impulse922 Год назад +1

    My beater is a 03 t5 manual that I've had since 2007. I wish it wasn't true about the maintenance, but the seats are absolutely devine to sit in.

  • @Nihaofoo
    @Nihaofoo Год назад

    Nice review. We had similar childhood rides. Got driven to school in a 240, 850, xc70. Just drove the xc70 in over ten years and can’t believe how heavy the steering was

  • @Rowdy_B58
    @Rowdy_B58 Год назад

    I had a manual 2002 S60 T5 manual with the sport package and loved that car, it was pretty quick too!

  • @commanderalphanl
    @commanderalphanl Год назад

    Loved the video! Gonna buy one of these soon and this video gave me a great impression of the car! Thanks guys!

  • @brq44
    @brq44 Год назад +2

    My favorite Volvo engine is this 5 cylinder, it sounds heavenly.

  • @tonyl7286
    @tonyl7286 Год назад +2

    Pretty rare car. Don't remember the last time I saw a non T5/R P2 manual, let alone no sunroof.

  • @benjamindoyle668
    @benjamindoyle668 Год назад

    What a wonderful little car. Hats off to your mother.

  • @JagMan78
    @JagMan78 Месяц назад

    I had one of those. A green one. I used it to drive to work during Winter. One of the fastest cars I've owned.

  • @SystembolagetOfficial
    @SystembolagetOfficial Год назад

    The clutch on these old P2 volvos are suprisingly strong. I bought an old S80 from 1999 that had roughly 31k KM on it. had to tow it since the brakes didnt work. Only thing was that the clutch couldnt disengage FULLY for some reason. However we didnt notice that. So after about 8km of towing we finally made it home, opened the hood, and holy shit there was clutch smoke everywhere. We believed the first new thing we needed was a clutch. However its still holding up after another 3,5k km since we got it, INCLUDING several hundred burnouts. Just had to rev a bit and dump the clutch and it would spin pretty good on the road, also the same engine as this one, 2.4l 140hp.

  • @automotivetvchannel
    @automotivetvchannel Год назад

    Wow, this 2002 Volvo S60 is a timeless classic!

  • @davidaltamirano7672
    @davidaltamirano7672 9 месяцев назад

    Man, my first car was a 2001 volvo s60 2,4t. Loved that car and the seats was wonderful.

  • @LostInSpace175
    @LostInSpace175 Год назад +2

    I just got a new car (2023 kia forte gt) and I've been hooked on this channel for a while now! Need more old car POVs!

  • @skibbatrixadona
    @skibbatrixadona Год назад

    If you're interested in buying one of these but you're unsure of the interior, don't worry! They come in many different variants. I have the black / gray interior with a better looking stock shifter and I love it.

  • @lordofkhaos
    @lordofkhaos Год назад

    I drive an 05 S60 R! Lots of issues but I love my baby. Don't have the money for this (as you would expect lol) but shared it to some other Volvo guys who might be interested!

  • @pan4632
    @pan4632 Год назад

    your mom is cool as hell for driving this thing

  • @iAmplify7
    @iAmplify7 Год назад

    inline 5s are amazing. my 2004 xc90 sounds amazing, you can even hear the turbo wheeze and whirl when you put it down

  • @Mekel01
    @Mekel01 Год назад

    I was never a fan of Volvo until I drove one, same goes for the new Chrysler Pacificas

  • @phisamairupsuai8841
    @phisamairupsuai8841 11 месяцев назад

    This is a rare car because it's a fast car

  • @b286guy
    @b286guy Год назад +2

    Great condition for such an old car! 🤩

  • @tennisfreak312
    @tennisfreak312 Год назад

    I found older cars wayyy better than current modern cars. The new fancy features are kinda getting in your face. In older cars, stuff are there because I need it.

  • @nintendoatarikiller
    @nintendoatarikiller Год назад

    My first car was a red SAAB 9-5 Aero with the 5 speed manual. Worked for a Volvo dealership so I've been in my fair share of manual Volvos and now I daily a '99 S70 T5. It's rare to find a manual S60 non-R.

  • @cryoczar1238
    @cryoczar1238 9 месяцев назад

    Just picked up the same car, 5 Speed Slicktop, except 2003, black/greycloth, and a V70. They just don't rust! Gets great mileage and is fun!

  • @MegaMC777
    @MegaMC777 Год назад +1

    Aftermarket wheels reminded me the one on the Saab 9-3. The tray by the radio is like the optional phone keypad, if I recall right.

  • @zeedustrakok
    @zeedustrakok Год назад

    I used to drive a S40 2.4 for a while back in the day. It wasn’t fast, but I did really like the character of the engine.

  • @Clinterus
    @Clinterus Год назад

    Your mom is a badass for driving that!

  • @wmg378
    @wmg378 Год назад +1

    in the US Ive only ever seen one manual non-R S60, tried to buy it to learn manual with but it sold too quick :(

  • @stayclassie6875
    @stayclassie6875 Год назад

    Omg I’ve owned one of these for years and never known about the cup holders at 2:20, so cool

    • @jaskajokunen3716
      @jaskajokunen3716 6 месяцев назад

      option you pay extra forl, my 04 doesnt have them lol

  • @N00dl3G0d
    @N00dl3G0d Год назад

    She keeps it so clean😍

  • @expertgaming1002
    @expertgaming1002 Год назад

    Your brother is not wrong. There were quite a few Volvos in the US with leather without heated seats. My 08 S80 happens to be one and a very very rare spec. It was Volvo’s flagship car without heated seats.

    • @kylemontano228
      @kylemontano228 Год назад +1

      my mom’s base model 04 v70 has leather and a sunroof, but no heated seats, and my dad’s 09 s80 3.2 doesn’t have them either. but we live in california so it’s not a big deal

    • @expertgaming1002
      @expertgaming1002 Год назад

      @@kylemontano228 same here not a big deal, I live in AZ. I have a huge emotional attachment to the car, it saved my life in a rear end accident. My S80 is a 3.2 as well in Ice White and I take meticulous care of it. Insurance fixed it. Keeping that car forever, and it has a brand new $8000 transmission from Volvo Cars Scottsdale. No reason to sell it ever. These Aisin transmission were weak.. I think it probably got injured in the accident, just like me. My mom also bought a 2017 XC60 T5 inscription. However, she prefers driving my S80, she loves the power of 3.2. I like the XC60 though because it’s high up.

  • @nimmen
    @nimmen 3 месяца назад

    I had a chipped T5 of this model. It was a beast.

  • @wendysremix
    @wendysremix Год назад

    I wish there were more manual Volvos out there

  • @macaronienshiis
    @macaronienshiis 8 месяцев назад

    your mom looks young ! good for her

  • @losingmyfavoritegame8752
    @losingmyfavoritegame8752 Год назад

    That button to drop the headrests is so awesome! What a trick! I always thought the S60 was weird, being between the S40 and S80. 🙂

  • @bigbufobufo
    @bigbufobufo 10 месяцев назад

    The design is a classic

  • @clover7359
    @clover7359 Год назад

    If I lived in Ypsilanti, I'd buy it today. That's a great car!

  • @samstedman409
    @samstedman409 Год назад

    That Moose bit at 12:07 sounded like something from Seinfeld 😂

  • @zandrew
    @zandrew Год назад +1

    PLEEEEAASE do the usual 70mph MPG loop and a sound system test!! Lets see how far we've come along in two decades!....Is this car better than a new Versa?

  • @lenny5005
    @lenny5005 10 месяцев назад

    Man, satisfying video after night shift, with a beer

    • @lenny5005
      @lenny5005 10 месяцев назад

      Amazing condition of the car

  • @lookoutforKURT
    @lookoutforKURT Год назад

    My first car! (Mine was auto, a bit jealous) Same thing with the gauge cluster, vibrations crack the solder joints so you can usually just heat them up and reflow if you dabble in soldering irons haha

  • @hamza3241
    @hamza3241 Год назад

    how cool those AC vents are for rear passengers

  • @aaronvelazquez5599
    @aaronvelazquez5599 Год назад

    I'm obsessed with Volvos

  • @ThePinkfreak2011
    @ThePinkfreak2011 Год назад

    Ur mom let u drive her car? Hell would freeze over before my mom let me drive her car and I’ve been driving everyday for 11 years at this point. It’s really something special if ur mom trust u that much 😊

  • @jaanfo3874
    @jaanfo3874 Год назад

    I don’t have time to watch the video right now so I hope I’ll find it again later, but I have to say I test drove a 5 speed S60 20 years or so ago before I ended up buying a Civic. I was impressed at the time that I could find one of these for only about $22k. It had cloth seats and was quite pleasant to drive. I also tested a manual S40. I’m looking forward to watching this later. Nowadays Volvo tries too hard to impress everybody.

  • @BlacKBerry23311
    @BlacKBerry23311 Год назад

    Man if this was in California I'd be seriously tempted to pick this up. Looks and sounds really cool

  • @zzoinks
    @zzoinks Год назад

    Be sure to get the recalls done!

  • @Autoblox0
    @Autoblox0 Год назад +4

    Bro you got me scared when you turned your head I was like damn

  • @Carandmotorcyclefreak
    @Carandmotorcyclefreak Год назад

    My dad had a 2001 Volvo s60 2.4 diesel and sold it with 200.000-250.000 and it never had problems and always runt good and my dad took really good car of it and we loved it I have great memories with that car we had it for 9 years and and it had around 190hp but we never knew why because standard it has like 160-170hp my dad thought it was tuned from the factory I think it maybe had a ecu tune

  • @SerPurple51
    @SerPurple51 Год назад

    That's awesome your mom drives a manual Volvo!

  • @sunnyta619
    @sunnyta619 9 месяцев назад

    I miss my 02 s60 it was a solid car.

  • @MArgusChopinGyver
    @MArgusChopinGyver 7 месяцев назад

    Man, I really want this car. It will be my first car if I can buy one used here in Indonesia. Hopefully soon. Love to hear the thunk when the door closed just like you said!
    Might be get an automatic, but it's still better than the low cost green car option in Indonesia here