Vegan vs. Meat Eater - Steven Rinella
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2012
- As a hunter, the question comes up all the time: how can I justify the killing of animals for food? My reply varies according to the circumstances, particularly to whether or not the person is actually willing to hear my response. Recently, I was posed this question while promoting my new book, Meat Eater: Adventures from the Life of an American Hunter, at a Greenlight Bookstore event in Fort Greene, Brooklyn. Here's what happened. -Steven Rinella
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Eww gross. Two humans being respectful towards one another. This isnt what the Internet was created for.
You are truly suppose to be Hunted by a group of Bears
@@MoskusMoskiferus1611 that's racist against bears
this made me lol
Y'all are cracking me up!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol
Wow a vegan and meat eater talk without a flip out, truly is a nice thing.
Cause this was in 2012. Flash forward 7 years, and we have outrage culture with a society that wouldn't be able to hold a conversation like this without slinging some political slur or freaking out
Truthfully, people aren't interested in listening anymore. We as a culture tend to take what we want from the things we see, read and hear, and then reject everything else that goes against our opinions.
I agree with you, this was a nice exchange. I was expecting it to be a closed minded yell fest aimed at masturbating egos. I was really happy to hear Steven Pinella outline a world view very similar to mine as someone that is basically vegan (outside of game meat I or my friends).
If we keep approaching everything as an opportunity to try and build up our egos instead of expand our understanding, we're truly doomed as a culture and society.
@Laurent Courtois
Eating meat doesn't make you a bloodthirsty tyrant, and neither does not eating meat.
@Laurent Courtois
That may have been your intent, but it wasn't what you said.
@Laurent Courtois
Mate. You brought up Hitler's diet and then his like of animals and dislike of people. It's not between any lines.
“That’s a deal man, I’ll read it tonight I promise”
When that old man smiled after he said that my heart got warm
u go to Carmel?
A 2 minute vegan info learning experience in exchange for a book sale? Sounds worth it to me
That's what got me. With the current situation in my country, his smile felt like a hug.
@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS this is unfortunately very true
That wasn't an old man it was actually a 19yr old woman but that's just how unhealthy she looks being vegan
Damn, you know this is old when people actually respect one another’s opinion 😂
@Sparka J it’s more of this leftist culture not realizing that other people have thoughts and you should respect them. Our fake news is brainwashing insignificant people who are always told what to do. Can’t think on there own
There's nothing respectable about needlessly killing animals. 🤷🏻
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever oh would you and your man puss get out of here.. It’s hunting and it’s not murder... Human nature
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever A bullet is a pretty great fate compared to life at a factory farm or violently ripped apart by another predator, ngl
@@Buckwheat0 It's still needless and murder. No excuse for such uncivilized behavior. 🤷🏻
Steve didn't debate. He mearly presented an acurate and valid point of view without invalidating or insulting the vegan. A true ambassador for the cause. I enjoy his videos immensely.
Guitar Jeffy
The cause?
Ahh...going for a little troll Ken? Meh. Not worth the time. Nice try though.
Guitar Jeffy
As is your cause....
My cause? Do we know each other? Any ways leave me alone that's all i got to say to you. And go ahead and prove to the world that your a narcissist get the last word in.
Guitar Jeffy
You win bud
Perfect example that we can disagree with people and still be respectful.
A rarity these days
The trick is that neither wants to force the other into compliance. If you actually hope to convince someone, reason is the best tool
I'm 63 years old and I was raised that way you're supposed to agree to disagree and not be all shity about it, what a concept
@@charlestolley2294 I like that.
Except that’s not how the world works. People aren’t meant to disagree but still be respectful on every topic. Which fruit taste better, sure but when it comes to health and survival, respect is something that shouldn’t be shown.
I wouldn't even call this a vs moment. They were just having an honest conversation. Nice to see it
Yes!
I know the elderly gentleman, he's a really great human. Very impressed with the tone of Steven's response, so nice to see two adults with diverging perspectives have an authentic conversation with mutual respect.
Awesome.
That’s so crazy you know him. I believe you when you say he’s a great human. He definitely acts like it here.
How do you know him?
@emerginglobster2075 it's true, I know him too. I jerk him off in a toilet block off I95 every second thursday
This was really respectful - both sides - well done.
It’s a question. He never accused. He said “isn’t it murder”. Seems pretty respectful on both sides. No tantrums. No interruptions.
@@NoBody-pw3kf please calm down
@@NoBody-pw3kf so true
Ye
Fuck the vegtard
props to the vegan guy for being very respectful.
That wasn’t “respectful”. Like Steve said, he wasn’t REALLY asking a question. He was passive aggressively trying to make a point.
Albert Ledesma that’s still as respectful as I’ve ever seen a vegan act especially when they knew they were being filmed.
Joshua Patrick Well if that’s the case, then that definitely doesn’t say much about vegans collectively.
He knew he would be publicly embarrassed and run out on a rail if he showed his true colors. Besides, did you see how low energy and utterly strung out that dude looked? Veganism really does a number on people.
@@albertledesma5173 I don't think that was passive agressive at all, it's the most common argument against eating meat and surely addressed in the book. If the guy wasn't happy to answer that question he wouldn't be doing a Q&A.
People are allowed to disagree, the fact the conversation was so civil means one read the vegan pamphlet, the other read the book on eating meat. Hopefully both come away with a better understanding of the other. It's how society develops
Respect to the older man if anything. Usually people aren't that open minded.
for real, He came off a bit strong, I wont lie. As Steven said he was really asking a question, he was making a point. But he was very respectful in the way he made his point, and was no way aggressive. He also didn't refute anything Steven said, he wanted his answer and he got it. Great conversation on both parts.
I really liked that "converstation". I was eating way too much meat and I did buy it, where it was the cheapest. Since I got a bit older and have more money in my pocket, I really question myself "do I want THAT meat?". I looked around my city and found farmes, that have "happy" cows and pigs and I am willing to pay more money for that animal (for its meat). I don´t like the pictures you see from big factories and how they handle the animals. Right now I am finishing my hunting license, to get even more in touch with it.
So yeah.. it is nicer to sit with someone who does see the living animal behind the meat.
This is one of the most sophisticated explanations of knowing your “why”, Steve not only defends his reasons, but kills two birds with one stone. He explains, and invites an adversary to the table, that’s how you do it…politicians take notes. Is just people having a discussion respectfully. Good job Steve!
Great debate. Handled very well.
This is because what they had was a conversation it wasn’t one side screaming at the other. They probably walked away with both of them not changing their opinions but at least they have a little more insight into each others mindset
@@bigpat989 that older gentlemen didn’t even really know what he was talking about but they still tried to empathize and understand each other. Great conversation between two adult human beings
@@strings1586 The older man was very clear. The babbling meat eating man kept going off point during his answer. One of the reasons he gave on why humans should eat other animals was because it's been happening a long time............... . That's not a reason to keep eating meat. Pro meat eaters act that way as they have no case. There is no reason to keep eating meat other than how it tastes to them ( although most meat eaters add herbs to improve the taste of meat) and how full it makes them feel as it takes longer to break down meat. All the nutrient/vitamins are in fruit/veg. The highest b12 source is found in seaweed. Plants also have far more protein then any red meat, pork, chicken or fish. Many animals that are hunted by humans have better characters than the humans themselves.
@DK It is quite amazing what can be accomplished when one side doesn’t attack the other.
@@user-yp3oj5se1i You're delusional.
I've grown to greatly admire Steve Rinella. He's one of the most well articulated men in the world of hunting. Each of his novels are well worth the read.
Yes, he does appear to have very well functioning joints.. quite flexible...well articulated...
Probably cause he’s a English grad from UM.
Totally agree been a fan of his for a long time. people don't know how good of a writer he really is. His books are really good.
He writes novels?
@@SaileAway I'm only aware of nonfiction
Steve Rinella has absolutely made a huge impact on my adult life. I can not get enough of his knowledge. I'm so glad I am alive to witness it.
I remember watching this video a few years ago and it was the first exposure I had to Steven Rinella. I’ve grown to be a really big fan of Steven and his MeatEater crew. Rinella is assertively articulate. My admiration for communication has been stoked again in life because of the way he portrays his thought. Just wanted to say thank you Steve for all that you and your team does for preservation of wildlife and our right to access land that can put food on our tables. I have learned a shit ton from this guy over the years, if you’ve never listened to his podcast, check it out. -Public Land Owner
Ethical hunters and vegans have more in common than we think. At the root of things, we are both motivated by a desire to think deeply about the origin and ethics of our food sources and the relationship we have with animals through our food choices. We both value a human-animal relationship that excludes suffering. In this case, vegans chose to avoid eating animals, while hunters chose to pursue a way of gathering their own meat that gives hunters greater control over ensuring that the animals we eat are killed ethically.
Penis ASMR- despite the name of your profile, that is very wise and well put
@@aidankelly198 🤣🤣 agreed
ORYX X There are many types of vegans out here. Im sorry that you only have met the wrong ones.
I think hunting is far more ethical than having an animal live in a pen it's whole life then get slaughter, at least it roams free before getting killed. And in many regards the shot placement hunter place on animals ends them with little suffering
This is incredibly well said. I’m primarily a vegetarian. Not because I think eating meat is necessarily wrong. I think factory farming is disgusting, unsanitary, and inhumane not only to animals but to humans too. If I had the resources to hunt or raise my own meat, 100% I’d eat it.
Steve is ridiculously intelligent and a person we should all strive to be like. Awesome watching this!
I stumbled across Steven and meat eater on Netflix. After binge watching the three seasons available (5/6/7) and being in awe of his respect and outlook on hunting, conservation and life itself, I have changed how I view hunting and am now in the process of getting my firearm licence. He is an amazing ambassador for hunting.
I would hate to see 10,000 Steve Rinellas running around and having to subscribe to them all. I strive to be myself and continue to make strides in life. I very much appreciate Steve. There's a big difference.
From harmony fl?
@French Frys nobody cares.
@French Frys you apparently have a lot to say haha. Please mindlessly ramble on some more for our entertainment please. And also Epstein didn't kill himself.
This was a lovely exchange, respect and civility all around. Wish we could see more of this these days.
That's what disagreement should look like. Two people respectfully listening to each other's opinions. Not screaming down each other's throats. Not resorting to petty insults. Props to both of these men
This is how you’re supposed to debate someone.
If only every debate were so amicable - hell, if only every argument was a debate where both sides were allowed to speak...
i wouldn’t even call this a debate, just a sharing of ideas. debate to me implies a winner and a loser, which is not a productive way to discuss with people
Take notes Joey Carbstrong
Sharing different perspectives and wanting to understand where the other person is coming from isnt a debate.
How is that how you're supposed to debate? He didn't even have any good defenses, just the same lame "arguments" made by brainwashed meat eaters.
"Really? How long is your pamphlet?"
Lol, gotta love Steve.
I would love to see more of this content. Hard to do because this is such an organic exchange, but this is really awesome and i love the philosophy you get into.
I have a handful of vegans in my family. It’s difficult eating out with them but I respect their discipline. Most have actually come to respect my passion for hunting. “Bambi” came up a lot in our earlier conversations. We have become so detached from the natural world! Love to hear you talk about hunting.
Imagine if we had elected officials that spoke this way?
Actually that's exactly why people like him, almost always try to stay away from politics
I've seen comments a lot of times about different cool folks, like "why people like you don't run for president" or "I'd vote for you"
People like that have a really very different point of view about life and things, and have a good understanding what a mess politics is, and that they should stay away from this dirty swamp to stay who they are
There's plenty of examples when cool people get themselves into politics as well, to really make an impact and change things for better, but they either realize what it is made of on the half way and simply quit, or accept it and decide to play by those rules, and become one of them so they can keep moving forward
It's all about what you believe in and how you want to live your life. And I don't blame any of them 🙃
I don't vote for them....therefore I don't have a problem with em
None of what they do affects my life...in any way.
I would certainly vote for Steve!!!
@@digitalhippie2336 shroood
@@bdoll121212 Never heard of that one. Which is true as well I guess
Vegan Club is opposite Fight Club.
The first rule of vegan club is to tell everyone.
@Dr. Tyler J. Mazzoncini just because you believe something doesnt make it correct
Science believes it too but what do they know right? Meat has good qualities but they come at a cost (heart failure is a biggie ) . I here heroin is a relaxing high but also has bad qualities. Smoking is proven to be stress reducing but does that mean it should be something people do all the time.
Just because some think animals are just objects and we can do with them as we like doesn't make it correct. Nazi's had a belief that most didn't agree with .
@@TheVeganeater meat doesn't cause heart failure
Keen L, it's OK, Vegans don't understand natural balance, they are just extremists of a different flavour. The more vocal ones are far more violent than most people that live a balanced life.
Wow! That's an impressive answer/commentary. Steven took that one head-on with grace and sternness. Perfect!
The thank you at the end must be satisfying when people can discuss and not argue
Wow. This made my eyes water a little. If everyone who disagrees on things could just sit down and talk rationally like this, the world would be a better place. People would still dislike each other for sure, but they would understand why the person they dislike believes what they do.
+christian kelley i agree, but the problem with vegans is there seem to be so many that tries to force their "belifs" unto others, whenever you try to force stuff unto ppl and at the same time says ppl that dont belive the same thing as you are "stupid" when it has nothing to do with intelligence, ppl tend to dislike you :P (not saying everyone is like that) but for me, i definitly understand the hatred for veganism.
Veganism isnt a "belief" though, it's pure facts that meat eaters are afraid to accept.
famule peterson what belifs are you talking about though? That the meat farms are bad for the world? I agree with that and we as a race should most def eat more veg. But its also a fact that pure meat is the best way for humans to get the nutritants we need. And regardless no one is gonna listen to a person who tries to force their thinking unto you, be he vegan or not.
Viktor Gustafsson False. It is a fact proven by scientists that meat increases the risk of fatal diseases, heart issues and of course obesity. It's also been proven that the absolute best diet for a human being is a plant-based diet (veganism)
+famule peterson tjat has actuallt bern disproven
Steve, you represent us (the hunting community) so VERY well. My hat is off to you sir. Of ALL the hunting shows on tv, yours stands heads and shoulders above the rest. WHY? Simply because you represent the hunting community correctly. A deep respect for the animals and the land, not to mention the willingness to work for the meal! Two thumbs up....and your response in this video was first class!
@@diracismyhero I'm sorry , but we don't aim for the head we aim for the heart and lungs just behind the shoulder. Can't afford to miss because that's meat we rely on.
@@diracismyhero precisely the level of totally uninformed I expect from someone trying to bash Rinella.
@@diracismyhero because you think hunters are blowing animals brains out... It's a fairly high level piece of bullshit. If you think that, you clearly know astoundingly little about hunting.
Awesome job on this one I really appreciate your subject matter I live in Louisiana and caught covid last year my favorite thing to do is being in the outdoors especially on the waters communing with family and great friends I miss it some bad due to being week and not able to get in my boat
Again thanks for the great contributions to the outdoors I absolutely enjoy watching someone who loved it as much as i
Steve is arguably one of the most wholesome humans alive.
Besides the hunting stuff maybe...
@@jaredbowen3527 I feel as if maybe you missed the point of the debate he had. Again, if you look down on someone for something that humans have done for thousands of years as a cohesive part of the food chain (When done properly) then that says more of you than them.
@@jaredbowen3527 you are the definition of what is wrong with people nowadays
@@jaredbowen3527 Then there's people like you.
@@zachdidow2441 superbly said
I love Steven Rinella! He’s educated, articulate, and is a great example of a hunter, or as we’re also known, conservationists.
Fight Milk Watch Cosmic Skeptic’s video on this. He destroys all of Steven’s “arguments” point by point. These are all very low-level “arguments” that any remotely knowledgeable vegan would destroy.
@@mathewdavis2427 bullshit 😂
Mathew Davis Any knowledgeable vegan but not you, though, right? 😂
Mathew Davis Watched it. It’s full of supposition and straw man arguments.
@@hlteh76 Really? In what way did he unfavourably misrepresent the arguments?
I was anti hunting until i heard steve speak. Never saw a need for it but he's just so measured, intelligent and articulate that his perspective is never lost in emotion or misinformation. One of my favourite tv personailities and i only just found the guy. People assault his way of life probably daily and his grace never falters
@Table-Country pinxing THRYM Firearms 27 ahh man where I'm from there are a LOT of simple scumbags around that just want to shoot things, but they're easy enough to spot, they'll brag about all the illegal/unethical shit they do to anyone who acts half interested
@@jafrost1328 yeah, those guys are hated by other hunters too😂
@@braydonsmedley5652 im from Australia too, so really they have no excuse. Is it invasive? Yes? Then feel free to shoot it unless it's a Brumby
@@jafrost1328 you're generalizing an entire group of people based off the experiences you've had in your life, i'd say its a fair statement to say people who spend their life in the outdoors care more for wildlife than the average person who doesn't. 99% of people who think hunting is wrong don't know anything about wildlife or ecosystems they just know the hunter is always the bad guy in their favorite Disney movie
@@cshepard09 yeah? No shit? I wonder if that might have been my entire point...
They were both very respectful to eachother and didn’t push their beliefs to much. I love civil conversations.
Also I’m vegan
this was the nices debate I have ever seen on the Internet. Great respect to that man for going right ahead and offering respect by thanking him for answering the question
Damn Steven that’s how you get it done . Respect on both sides for being able to have civil conversation over opposing views.
It’s nice to see a smart discussion of two different views, men like Steven that can get the point across that hunting is a justifiable pursuit, will keep hunting safe for many years.
Steve, your always very good at calmly explaining the hunters perspective! Super great job man.
steven you classy son of a gun!! Love the show and everything in it. You show so much Respect for the game you take, me and my young sons watch together. I cant wait to take them on their first white tail hunt Thank you for great content and an educational watching experience
The amount of respect in this video is what should be admired
Nice guy(vegan), waited until the questions before making a statement, then was accepting of the answer and was willing to read another perspective in exchange for his. Might not have same views, but equal respect.
Yeah that was a solid positive interaction between two people with different lifestyles. No bitching, no arguments, nobody getting ridiculous and losing their cool. I dig it
Props to Steve on this. Excellent points made by both sides and both sides are equally collective in their debate. As a fellow hunter, I think we stoke the flames on this issue. There tends to be a lot of emotion when this discussion is brought up by either side and gets heated way to quickly. The fact that both individuals here were able to bring forth their points and discuss vs fight over their ideals is exactly needs to be done. If more people were open to listening to both sides, I think this issue would die down. But, there is a tendency to start cutting jugulars from the jump before a valid discussion can be had. Only if more people were willing to sit down and have a civil conversation.
Who else gat this recommended 8 years later
I'm sure I've commented before, but this is still one of my favorite MeatEater videos. The respect both men showed one another during this discussion was something we could use a lot more of, especially in today's society.
Much respect for Steve!
hi
The was he not only admires the animal but admires other people for having a perspective different than his own is asotonishing
@@codymoore8648 You're brianwashed if you think you can "love" someone while also killing them. Is this the twilight zone??
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever it’s not about the love for a single organism it’s about the greater love for the species of the organism and the thought of. Just because one hunter goes out and harvests his own food the most natural way we possibly can does not make him a monster. It strictly shows that they are involved in the circle of life and population management and want to learn more and more about the organism and Mother Nature. Of course there are people out there that kill things for the wrong reason... however in a lot of cases such as this one it is completely ethical and for conversation and education. I can assure you that Steve knows more about wildlife than you ever will from his experiences in the wilderness. I appreciate the way you look out for wildlife 100 percent and the care you have for animals. That is awesome however it doesn’t make someone a monster to be involved in something that we have been a part of our whole time on earth😁❤️✌️
@@codymoore8648 Go watch Cosmic Skeptics breakdown of this hunter's argument. Him knowing more about deer doesn't justify killing needlessly. I'm sure a doctor who eats his patients knows much more than me about medicine. Who cares? Needlessly harming someone is always unethical. 🤷🏻
Very impressive exchange! Great to see people talking about a divisive topic with such respect. Well done Steve.
Really respectful and open conversations like this should be had more
Hunters are better than people who buy meat from stores.
still has a better option. not only hunt or buy from the store.
+Elena Smith child rapists who use lube are better than those who don't, right?
***** in almost every form of animal agriculture animals are raped on a daily basis, so yeah the comparison is pretty accurate.
***** you're just too dumb to get my point
***** you didn't respond to reason, so there's really no point in trying to have a discussion with you on any other level
2:40 I'm moved when I see people respect each other's point of view.
His smile at the end was wholesome. Made my day seeing that people still have the ability to respect each other. Mad respect to both men for listening to each other’s views and not hating each other because they differ. I’m a hunter and my dad’s a vegan, we get along just fine and both respect each other despite differing beliefs.
I'm thoroughly impressed that this debate was as civil as it was. In fact, I'm shocked that both sides were so professional. Kudos to both men!
A very respectful interaction. People should talk about their differences more like this.
“I respect where your coming from.” That’s all it takes to be heard and better yet understood.
I always have confidence in what steve is going to say. He’s very intelligent and humble and to me that’s a winning combination.
One of the best, well though out, and respectful answers that I've ever heard. You do the "Meat Eater" world proud Steven!
The hunter made multiple logical fallacies such as “appeal to tradition” and “appeal to nature”. So not really well thought out.
That was actually calmer than I expected it to be but Steven does carry himself well, he's very well spoken
I could not possibly love this video and Steve’s response any more than I do. Often times it’s hard to find the appropriate words when it comes to defending our right to hunt and the level of respect most hunters share for the game we pursue. I’m going to thumbnail this and show it to every person that questions hunting to perhaps give them a new perspective. There is also a beautiful article titled “Blood Brother” that I recommend people read to go along with this video. Thank you Steve
Very well handled, respectful and thoughtful. I get many similar questions on my channel and try to answer in a similar way.
just amazing, love the civility behind this conversation. 2 people who disagree smiling at the end of a disagreement. just beautiful.
Steven handled that like a champ, he articulated his point and message extremely well while being respectful. Very nice job.
Great answer to the man's 'question.' Very articulate and well argued but, at the same time, respectful of the man's beliefs.
Can we just take a second to appreciate Steven’s negotiation skills?
This vegan came in with a frown and an intention to make argument and left with a smile and a respect for Steven. So great job.
That's not skill, just manipulation.
violance is only permissible in self defence
@@sachinraghavan4556how is that manipulation?
After watching Earthling Ed videos, all of the meat eater's arguments are just flimsy.
Or if you watched Cosmic Skeptic's response to this. He absolutely wrecked this hunter guy!
Earthling Ed is a middle class joke tbh, as is Cosmic Skeptic
@@GuitarBloodlines You can't dismiss what someone is saying by saying they're a "joke". That doesn't mean anything.
This hunter is a joke too. It's a meaningless statement.
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever nah, the hunter has done more for animal conservation than Ed, the Cosmic Skeptic, Joey, James, and all the saviour squad put together
@@GuitarBloodlines He kills for fun and tries to martyr myself like he's doing something good for humanity. This has been debunked countless times by everyone you just mentioned LOL
back in the day when you could have debate and both walk away happy and not yelling at eachother, we need this type of debating skills in 2019.
Have you heard about 2020?
@@musictube17 Have you heard about 2021?
It’s still out there, you just see and hear more of the conflict.
if you didnt know...youtube commenting is a very bad platform for intellectual debate. Nothing will be accomplished.
True
Comments like that should face repercussions.
Ibrahim Elzaim He should be able to say what he wants. I mean it doesn't make what he said ok but are you really going take to heart what someone who wright's like that says (which i understand some people do) but people like peter are usually just ignorant, stupid, lack empathy or could be part of his brain didn't fully develop.
thomas mills you should try facebook next time
I watched this video thinking, wow that was a great example of a respectful back-and-forth among two people with radically different views.This exactly the kind of attitude we need in American politics, right now. Let's see if the comment section reflects the kind...nope... There should be a comment section just for serious comments.
Steve is a class act! When faced with what could be a hard question He answered that with nothing but respect for that man I applaud him for that. I also applied the man for asking Steve a question about veganism while honoring and respecting Steve’s answer without wanting to debate! Good on you both.
Steve.. You are truly amazing. Not just your knowledge, but you handled that like every hunter should. Thank you for being you.
animal abuser*
I've just started watching your shows and am truly fascinated with it all.
RESPECT to both men! The question and answer were respectful and intelligent. I watch Meat Eater because of Steve's values and approach to hunting. A true professional and you can feel the respect he has for an animal when he does harvest.
Love it! You can't argue with logic presented in a kind and understanding way👍
Steve, you rock! You hit the nail out right on the head!
I nailed my first 8 point buck this year! Hunting deer for me is spiritual, its a spiritual connection to nature and to our history. I have read a few of your books, you have had some amazing experiences.
You enjoy murdering animals for no reason. Gross.
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever His reason is having a natural diet. Or, y'know, "It's a spiritual connection to nature and our history". If there was truly no reason for it, he'd probably go with the far easier and far more environmentally destructive option of buying produce from the grocery store.
Love Steve and his attitude. Im a hunter that has friends and coworkers that are veggie and vegan. This vegan and Steves conversation remind me of how my conversations with them have gone. We are both passionate about our side but respect is shown. It sucks we both cant exist as a whole and make one great meal without killing EACHOTHER.
I really like the guys reaction to Steven's response I thought for sure this was going to go the wrong direction but it ended very well. Good job on both sides.
Steven Rinella is a GREAT advocate for not only hunters, but conservation, but just being a respectful, educated, and kind man. He’s changing how America views hunters, and it’s for the better
Both parties very mature to one another, while respecting the others viewpoint. Great job to both men, and having the ability to "agree to disagree. " Love ya Steve! Keep up the good work!
"don't the creatures you kill want to live as much as you do?"
doesn't the deer want to live as much as the bear that kills it?
Are you really trying to compare humans to bears? Thats so idiotic. A bear hunts because its a carnivore, and bears eat fish anyway. You clearly don't know what your talking about.
Skylar Taylor
"a bear hunts because it's a carnivore"
this guy eats meat, he hunts animals.
i know your type. you are a religious vegan or vegetarian. in you eyes hunting is bad because EVIL HUMANS!!! HOOMAN KILL ANIMAL BAD! ANIMAL KILL ANIMAL GOOD!
do burgers trigger you my little snowflake?
also, does the fish want to live? or do fish not count because fish aren't as cute as deer and rabbits?
+zomberz von zombycow Nope not even remostly religious :) good job trying to label me as a piece of snowflake tumblr bullshit though.
I'm sure the fish does want to live, the bear hunts because it has no other choice. It knows no other type of food. Its body isn't built to break down anything else. Human's on the other hand, are capable of remorse and guilt. And we have more options for food. We know the difference between wrong and right.
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"we know the difference between wrong and right"
that's an odd statement to make when talking to someone with an opposing view on a matter.
you assume that what you think is wrong to YOU is wrong to everyone else.
if we knew that eating meat was wrong, wouldn't we feel guilty every-time we ate a burger, or some sushi?
"humans are capable of remorse and guilt"
not an argument for why people should not eat meat.
+zomberz von zombycow Well i just assumed that most humans wouldnt want to kill an animal with their bare hands like a bear would do. But there are the hunters out there who enjoy killing animals for no reason what so ever. For their own entertainment I assume. My bad.
The reason people dont feel guilt when they eat animal products is simply because they dont think in depth about it. That what was once on their plate was living and breathing. They put these bliders up and choose to ignore anything that opposes their lifestyle. Similar to how heavy christians refuse to hear anything about other religions and atheism.
If you dig deep into where your food came from im sure the way you look at a big mac would change.
Well handled by both men. Nice to see a conversation without any animosity.
I wish I had the ability to respond with such grace and clarity to an apparently provocative question as Steve had here.
I can't help but notice how much healthier Steve looks than the guy that asked the question haha
oh thats where you are wrong. that dude asking the question was 26 hahaha #veganhealth
Ahahhahahah
Dude look at vegan gains austin aries pete dunne shelton benjamin Waka flocka flame all are vegan and healthy .I myself only consume fish no diary no eggs no meat and Am perfectly healthy
dumb ass hipster
@nate3067 the dude is on the juice. his diet doesn't match his physic.
This is why the Native Americans got it right with hunting. They respected the spirit of animals that they killed.
Pro hunting so long as the meat goes to good use.
If I respect a human, can I kill and eat them?
Adam Felcyn If you eat a human, you are exposing yourself to microbiological germs that can actually kill you. Second, eating your own species isn't the same as eating another species for survival. Learn the food chain mate, we aren't all mad vegetarians crying about eating tofu.
yomamasapeach "If you eat a human, you are exposing yourself to microbiological germs that can actually kill you."
I wasn't talking about the nutritional aspect, but the moral aspect. Try to stay on topic.
"Second, eating your own species isn't the same as eating another species for survival."
Sure it is, if all the other factors are equal. What's the moral difference between eating the family dog and eating your human neighbor's kid? None. They're both sentient, innocent, and you shouldn't need to eat either one of them if you do a little research into veganism.
Adam Felcyn Tell me, in a natural aspect of the real world, do animals of any sense not eat each other for the nutritional aspect of sustaining calories and fats? We need to eat other animals for the purpose of survival, and that's what we've been doing since the age of man that's made us so successful. Secondly, eating a human isn't a decision of morality, ethics is nothing more but perception and psychological thinking. No, We decide not to eat each other because our biological framework is to propagate our own species, and this means that we will not devour ourselves to bones because it's against our own basic nature (unless put into a situation of our own basic survival).
Secondly, you suck as a troll
As someone who doesn’t eat meat, but loves Meateater and what it stands for, this encounter made me really happy from both perspectives.
Well you're missing out it's delicious
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 so you’re assuming I’ve never eaten an animal? Cool
one of the best responses to this conversation point. very well put
Steve you are amazing how you deal with people who have a perspective that hunting is terrible. You are calm , passionate and so full of knowledge of all things that are required to respect nature and humans. Thank you for teaching people who are experienced and people who are not. I love everything you are doing and what you stand for. Thank you very much
Steve’s response was perfect! Although the title of this should not be “.vs” as this was an intelligent discussion.
Love MeatEater! Can’t wait for season 9!
Amen!
The world needs to move back toward more of these types of interactions. Two people in a respectful dialogue. Both feel strongly about their opinion but are perfectly willing to have a civil discussion. None of the false outrage we see today.
I think I just witnessed the coolest damn talk Ive ever seen between a vegan and a hunter/meat eater. This is how it should be when debating topics like this, not just saying someone else is wrong or a bad person etc just cause they have a different view point or what not!
Even as a vegeterian I think hunting is a better way of eating meat than farming, it's a respect for the food cycle.
Depends on what farming also... Eco farming it's like neo farming, when you farm all natural and give the cattle a greater life... It all comes down to give a relatively good live to your livestock as a farmer.
Its better than factory farming but that isnt saying much. Hunting is still ultimately immoral when you can just eat plants to live.
Erection Disection Hunting is also necessary for wildlife management. More humans and deer would die in deer-induced road collisions if we didn't hunt, than the number of deer that die or even get wounded due to hunting.
Well it's not like he throws out any meat or would stop hunting. He enjoys it and turns the experience into an educational show which is enjoyed by many. This show is way more ethical compared to the ones profit through human psychology exploitation.
Allisonom A the question you have to ask is if there wasn't the exposure would he be doing things any differently. And he wouldn't. He would still be going out there to harvest animals. They may not be in as remote areas but he'd be doing the same thing.
That was very well handled and it is something us as hunters need to practice doing more of.. So many times we get offended by people like that and instead of seeing their side and having a legitimate conversation we get aggressive.. Good job and I loved your Netflix series
"How long's your pamphlet?" xDD
Massive respect to both sides on this one! Handled so professionally by Steve
Rinella really needs to debate Gary Yourofsky. Would be so interesting to watch.
yeah hed get his ass handed to him
I enjoyed the dialogue and mutual respect here
Damn, both parties were great I wasn't expecting that audience member to be so level headed, chapeau to him and great answer from Steve.
This was handled very and I mean very well, it easily could have become argumental but this was handled very professional. Something to admire and to fallow.
Handled like a gentleman.
This is the best disagreement I have seen in my life
like after wrecking the guy he said he Appreciated his perspective - Like, when the hell does that ever happen????
+macaron3141592653 When two open minded, rational people have a debate.
All Steve wrecked was logic with his 2 very obvious logical fallacies(the Appeal to nature fallacy and appeal to tradition fallacy).
That debate is how every debate should be handled. Both of them were calm and respectful and listened to each others points.
I love how respectful of an exchange that was for both of them.
This video makes me smile every time