Triumph can't fix this! | Scrambler Broken Frame | SCRAMBLER TIPS EP 11
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Went put yesterday and sat on my first Triumph Scrambler XE....Fell in Luv with the sitting position andvoverall feel. Told the salesman i wanted to go home and research pro's and con's, since i was unfamiliarwith bike. I wish it didnt have so much tech on it, but the frame weakness is definitely a concern now.
I have been riding/racing On and Offroad for many years, riding for roughly 44 years, so i aint new....but dang that bike "FEELS" So good....
It does feel good! I recommend checking out my long term review videos - it’ll give you a better idea of how they stack up against others and also the pros/cons
Thanks for the video, I’ve been looking at a new 900 Scrambler. I was also thinking of an Interceptor 650 then putting a 19” front wheel on it. I’m 74 and don’t do anything crazy anymore.
Thanks! Glad it can be useful! I thing the bigger wheel at the front is definitely helpful for stability, and as far as bikes go - I reckon the scrambler 900 would be a bit more power available if you wanted it!
THANK YOUR VERY MUCH! I will CHECK MYSELF, the next time I even think about buying this bike. Now I see why so many people are selling theirs.
Good video. Mounting crash bars - Did you remove exhaust to get at nut on inside of engine mount bolt? Pretty hard to get a wrench on it. Triumph manual says to remove exhaust. Manual also says those are one use self lock nuts to be replaced every use. But that's likely official manual lawyer type stuff.
Have 2019 XE with 30,000 miles. Only real problem was replaced gear shift shaft at 20,000 miles. Well known problem. Triumph has a retrofit part to fix it.
Thanks! And sorry I can’t remember, I think I may have removed the exhaust - otherwise there might be a way to get a ratchet ring spanner head in there (I think!?)
Great video as always JB
Cheers m8!
oh man, i feel for you!🙈 I hope my frame doesn't have a crack, I've already done some nonsense with it.😬
Yeah hahaha they’re supposed to be designed for nonsense right?!
I first heard of the side stand issue on Trident bikes when I was researching the Trident 660.. Seems it's a known common issue on them, didn't know it was common across the whole platform. Maybe the Tigers also have it.
Really?! That’s very interesting. I wonder if they’re a similar frame construction/design?
Well bloody hell.... I've just had to go out and check mine.
Great informative video 👍🏻
Haha was it ok though!?
@@lifeofascrambler Yes thankfully 😁
me too 🥺
Question what year is this bike with broken frame? So your repair was aluminum weld? I inspected my 2022 and it is a steel frame. Checked with magnet many areas. So was a frame change occur or is a US model steel?
I think I answered this in your Facebook comment!
This break is from standing on the foot peg while the bike is on the stand, nothing to do with off-road riding. It was common on the KTM 950/990 bikes, except there it broke the engine casing, there were plenty of relocation brackets available.
Yeah a few people have mentioned that, but I have only done is a couple of times, and mostly on the right hand peg. It seems to be a weak spot?
Oh? Well I guess that's all right then😂
C'mon, I never saw a more feeble comment in my life! If a frame breaks while standing on the pegs, I don't care whether the bike is parked or bouncing down the road, it means the bike is a piece of shit or someone has abused the fuck out of it. Stick to proper bikes.
I remember back in the day (90's) a mate cracked his frame on a Supertenere and I praised my faith in my Africa Twin. I still have my Africa Twin. My mate's dead.😢
@@lifeofascramblerit should be able to take it, poor design.
Do you get on and/or off the bike while it is on the side stand, or sit on it with your feet on the footpegs while it is on the sidestand. The sidestand clunk is a dead easy fix with a bit of rubber on the stand. Are you getting an entire new frame from Triumph?
The new Tiger 900 Have been breaking a few frames where crash bars have been installed. Have you seen the OEM Triumph engine side case protectors that can be installed also to protect the cases just a bit more from rocks and objects?
I have gotten on and off the bike using the left peg a handful of times but only when carrying camping gear, because I’m too short to step over. That said, it shouldn’t be enough to crack a frame and the fact it’s happened to a few folks, and also seeing the place it cracked, makes me wonder if it’s a design / quality issue.
If you can't get on a bike while it's on the sidestand without the f'n frame breaking, then that's a serious problem with the manufacturer. Rediculous, it's not a plastic toy, it should not break!
Thanks for sharing this . I’m starting to think I don’t need a 13k triumph bobber. A royal enfield should do. It’s only 6k
Well, that’s gonna depend what sort of riding you do (or plan to do in the next few years). A Royal Enfield is a great bike, but they are seriously different in terms of power, so I’d recommend a test ride of both to weight it up for yourself!
😂 not really in the same league
Great video! Felt for ya when you laid the critter down. I've done that to many times at 250kg plus. First thing is look around see who's filming then cuss like sailor. Funny how a manufacturer can build a bike and say, "it can" then have a frame that should have been tested so "it could". Fire the guy at Triumph that spec'd that frame out.
Hahaha thanks, yeah that reaction to dropping the bike sounds familiar! And you’re exactly right, I’m more than a little disappointed in the frame break, and I suspect something to do with the alloy they’ve used, where most alloys just don’t take vibration like steel does, they crack under the pressure!
@@lifeofascrambler In my industry auto manufactures know of particular problems but they cost analyze them down to the penny with empirical data over decades. Failure and warranty are an expense on a tax return in this country if you catch my drift. How many people will ride hard vs people that play. Trust me they thought of this when they found the flaw in testing and let it go. Not trying to be conspiracy at all. Totally true in automotive. Planned obsolescence it's called. Sad but true
@@howardmonteith totally agree! I don't think that's tinfoil hat thinking, its totally something I have seen in some businesses - where they lose sight of basic customer needs vs profit. It's a shame, seems to be really bad in the motorcycle industry too! (I've been watching some of the @fortnine videos recently that explain dealerships vs corporates etc and it shines a pretty bright light on some shady practices.
In the meantime, I'm patiently waiting to support the kickstarter for a new quality motor company - "Howard M Peterbilt series Trucks"...or maybe it should be "Howardbilt while Peterfilmed" series....😂
Mine did the exact same thing. I have hardly taken it off road and I don't do the kickstand mount method (I'm an old motocrosser so just throwing the leg over is habit).
Man, I might need to see if the dealer here in the U.S. can get it covered as well if this is a known issue. I have a closer non-dealer shop with the part on order. Their estimate when ordering the part (in late July) was late November. The stupid thing has been in storage ever since. I don't know a welder that will do that type of work.
Really?! That’s pretty crappy I’m sorry to hear that! Triumph should 100% cover it, I was lucky to get it looked at just before my 2 year warranty ran out, but the frame should be covered for longer than that, I’m not sure about the US consumer law though. Definitely look into getting a welder to help! Anybody at a fabricator should be able to do it, and removing the frame piece isn’t that hard it just takes a day or two and you need to be careful to torque everything up as per the manual. There’s one available in the 1200 Facebook group!
@@lifeofascrambler Ahh okay - yeah my bike is out of warranty. The part we ordered is pretty inexpensive ($180) but the wait is what is killing me. I actually ended up getting a Honda NC700X in the mean time. I'll probably sell the Scrambler when I finally get the part. I've just had too many long wait time for parts, ridiculously expensive replacements ($300 for the stupid side panel plastic piece), etc.
@@lifeofascrambler Sorry, just re-reading this; were you saying there's a fabricator available or the part itself? I don't use Facebook so I kind of glanced over that. I'm still waiting for the part. Latest estimate was late January and I'm thinking when that time comes, they'll push it out again.
#3 sounds kind of like a fun option
Oh, I’d be tempted 😅
I am looking for my bike, thanks
Did you find it!?😅
Must buy factory dresser bars. Okay
So if I understood right, the lower cradle of the scrambler 1200 is made of aluminum?
Yep!
@StefanLoeners yeah you're right, ally is not as strong as steel but they seem to use it in some places to save weight 🤗
Aluminum can be pretty strong, but it work-hardens, fatigues, and cracks quicker when flexed repeatedly. It can be a good frame material to save weight on an MX or streetbike, but I don't think it should be used for a frame on a dualsport or adv moto that could be ridden through the middle of nowhere.
It's also not as easy to find a welder skilled at aluminum repairs.
@@RKmndo 100% right, and totally agree
I am confused. I inspected my USA 2022 everywhere with a magnet and it is steel. @lifeofascrambler
Hello, thanks for Your videos.... may I ask You if new models have fixed the problem? thank You :)
I was in a media call with the triumph head of engineering a few months back when they released the new models, and he said that they had solved it!
@@lifeofascrambler thank You very much
Did they happen to elaborate on what they believe is the most exact cause of frame cracking?
Is it because a significant amount of weight is drawing straight down in the center of the frame when someone puts all their weight on the foot pegs?
These bikes are ridden standing up off-road so often- I can't imagine they would deduce the problem. Origin being weight on the peg.
@@lifeofascrambler
Is it a common issue or just the odd case here and there? 🤔 im kinda thinking not cos these bikes have been out a few years now and theres not loads of information on the frames cracking on these 🤔
Well, I’ve come across about 10 others that have had this issue that I know about - so it’s a statistically small number
Also, if you head to the FB group I show in my latest video, you can search the posts and see people talking about them
Im guessing these bikes have been ridden offroad to crack there frames, you'd have thought triumph would have done somthin to prevent this by now considering these bikes are a few years old now, appreciate the response a d love your videos 👍 cant wait to be able to get my own scrambler 👍
@@user-fn1rb9ze6p well actually, the more I speak to others that have had it, the less convinced I am that its offroad riding and more convinced its from the weight of stepping on the left peg while the bike is on the side stand - so its a definite weak spot. You're right though, they need to come up with a fix, even though it's not a really significant structural piece, it is important nonetheless.
@@user-fn1rb9ze6p also, thanks 😅🤗glad you enjoy!
Cheers Mate,
Dang it,
I am so in love with this bike and i want to buy it so badly cause of it looks and to replace my big Adventure bike.
To be honest,
Now I am too scared that this will occur in the middle of nowhere in a foreign Country.
Think i cant buy it now :/
Greetings from germany
I hope it doesn’t put you off the bike - that’s not my intent! I wanted to raise the issue so that people can look for it, and if it helps I managed to ride the bike for another 100km no problem with the frame broken because the crash bars held it in place
Do you think the crack occurred before installing the crash bars? Would the crash bars prevent cracking is the question I guess. Good video thanks.
No I’m 99% sure the crash bars were installed first. They did prevent the whole frame falling apart though. I also was asked by someone if a drop onto the crash bars could have caused a twist in the frame, however I’m not sure and as they’re OEM it would be a strange design if bay was the cause.
@@lifeofascrambler ah ok, thanks for the reply. I'll keep an eye on mine👍
For the record: Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE Owners Manual "Warning - Do not lean, sit or climb on the
motorcycle when it is supported on the side stand. "
I believe Triumph, or any manufacturer, will tell you that the side stand is simply not designed to support the weight of the bike and rider. It is designed to support the weight of the bike at lean with an added safety factor SF. That SF might usually cover the added weight of a rider. But the stand is NOT designed to support bike and rider with an added SF safety factor.
If they did that they would also need the stand to support rider, passenger and luggage (maximum payload) with a safety factor and you would end up with a 20 pound side stand.
I always cringe when I see guys go into a new bike showroom and sit on a expensive bike on the side stand.
Interesting, I get what you mean, but it’s not actually the side stand that is breaking, it’s the left hand cradle where the side stand attaches, and there seems to be plenty of other manufacturers who have managed to build heavier bikes without this issue.
@@lifeofascramblerI’ve always warned Ducati riders about sitting on their bikes on the side stands. Many Ducati side stands were bolted directly to the engine cases and many cases broke because of this. KTM dirt bikes would just snap the side stands.
Good video 📹 as ever...but that's pretty shocking that the frame broke. What do Triumph say...? Cheers Steve
Well turns out another guy in Brisbane has had a crack in his also, so I’d say that’s a decent percentage, I wouldn’t be surprised if we find out in a few years there was a quality issue
I carry JB Weld but not sure if it would be strong enough for a frame break. Does anybody know?
That’s a bloody good question! I wonder if it would work?! I feel like I might have to do a myth busters episode to try it out 😂
maybe better than nothing on a tour, but i guess it doesn't really last
I jb welded a cylinder head on a chevy cavalier that was cracked in half. It held for a couple of years
@@mackenzieclancy959 😲 I would not have expected this😅
I don't think anything like JB weld will hold structural damage, its more for patching up holes in engine cases or similar.
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@@lifeofascrambler loved it. Great way to start my Sunday morning with a cup of tea and quality video. Now off to install my new levers on my Scrambler. It’s going to be a good day. 😁
@@atlas8rides awesome thanks! What sort of levers are you installing?! Asking for a friend who recently might have broken theirs 😅
I bloody hope Triumph has fixed this weak frame area on the latest 2023 bikes.Shocking poor quality control.
Me too, and I’m not sure that they have 😅
that is just a sub frame not the main frame , sounds to me you dropped the bike once too often , and probably over loading the bike , any bike can only take so much punishment .
Correct it’s sub frame, but not due to overloading or dropping - that part of the frame has never hit the ground! It’s actually a flaw in the design of the kickstand because it puts rotational forces on a weak spot where there’s a weld and a tab attached to the tubular part of the frame - I know of several others (10+) with the same issue where most haven’t dropped the bike - the closest answer we have come to is the act of standing on your footpeg when you get on the bike seems to overload it - and that is something that so many people do on many other bikes and they don’t break!
When is it going to dawn on people that scramblers should be 150 kg max?😂 Taking this behemoth off road is asking for trouble, it's not an enduro, is it?
I think the most important thing is to keep an open mind, and understand everyone enjoys bikes in different ways. There’s plenty of trade offs with any bike you choose. Also, most Dakar bikes are around or over 150kg, and there’s not a scrambler or adv bike on the market that I’m aware of, that sits on the 150kg mark (wet).
@@lifeofascrambler The clasic scrambler, the xt 500, the doyen of dirt bikes the XR 600 R, even the crf300 rally sits at EXACTLY 150 ready to go. So does the ktm 690. The XR 650 R also. The XR 650 l, the new CF moto adventure bike, the lovely Portuguese AJP PR7, ALL the serious contenders. It's a magic number. I must point out, in direct contrast to your statement, ALL modern Dakar bikes are LESS than 150 kg.
@@lifeofascrambler I meant the Kove 450, not the cf moto, sorry. Still, the point is 150 ballpark 10 kg more or less with fuel NOT 200kg before you start fiddling with the filler cap(s). I have a Marathon replica A Twin with three tanks which is a little excessive, but scrambler it is not. I stick to my point, a scrambler (originally a little Triumph bonny stripped bare) even with a tank of gas was right about 150 kg. It's not hard to make. I'm just tired of marketing misconstruing names to for the sake of making something appear to be what it's not. And when it comes to weight, uncontestably the most important factor on a motorcycle, they are lying, fooling the customer into buying a heavy bike that is unmanagable off road. 99% percent of us customers are not wizards like Pol Tarres.
And as I said before they are loads of bikes that sit on or very near 150kg ready to take you off road and around the world. They are just not 1200 cc monsters. That's dishonest.
@@allistairneil8968 I can understand your personal opinion - everyone has their own opinions and preferences. It seems a lot of people do make a conscious choice that weight isn't the single most important factor on a motorbike - because they're not racing, they're exploring, or camping, and so they're going to be carrying extra weight, they're going to put in a lot of KM's and they decide it's fine to trade a few KG's in exchange for some comfort that the lightweight bikes don't have. I've ridden plenty of lightweight bikes and felt like I'd been sitting on a jackhammer for hundreds of KM's - and that's before we even get to the off-road fun parts. Also, the frame rail that broke here wasn't broken from being a heavy bike ridden offroad - it's related to a design issue with the kickstand mounting position.
@@lifeofascrambler My point is that marketing of massive street bikes as scramblers purposefully misleads customers into buying bikes that are unmanageable off road by mere mortals like you or I. Secondly, if you are going to weigh your bike down with masses of gear then having a a big heavy bike is not going to help you. Check out the developing world where they tansport several generations of whole families and the kitchen sink on tiny scooters, not massive 1200cc monster bikes, even if they could afford to. As far as comfort is concerned, do what I did. Buy a van and have two bikes. Hayabusa and XR 600 R with a kickstart, for example. Or ride a proper dirt oriented monster like an Africa Twin which is designed to go off road and still munch motorway miles in comfort. Big trailies have a screen to protect you too, the Triumph scrambler doesn't, so it isn't great off road, and not great for long road trips either. It just LOOKS cool and is surprisingly good off road. I bet you could say the same thing about many road bikes, there was even a guy who rode a Ducatti sports bike off road with knobbies. It was SURPRISINGLY good off road (probably because it was quite light). My point is that while weight is NOT such an important criterion for road bikes, Hayabusas are a case in point, off road, weight is of primary concern. There might be little things like the Yamaha 700 swing arm geometry or KTM weight distribution tricks, but Triumph scramblers don't display any miracles except where the frame doesn't crack. I also have a monster off road bike but I spend a lot of time in deserts and Africa Twins last a very long time because they were built for the dirt. If you buy a bike just for its looks then your choice is inevitably flawed. Basta.
Terrible
The frame or my video 😅😂🤔