Thank you Cip for speaking up for animals, raising awareness and encouraging personal responsibility. It’s important to remember that we don’t get to see how people may change when they have a chance to reflect on the conversations.
Wow, that is sad she said that, acknowledged that it did not feel right or good to say and still felt it was ok to express not changing. If she were the victim would she have accepted that or would she want her oppressors to stop exploiting her and let her live? You were so calm and logical Cip, I think it was best that you parted ways in such a manner. It wasn't mean but it also wasn't a comfortable parting. It was perfect and she will be thinking about your conversation for a good long while.
If somebody is ignorant I can understand why they do bad things. If somebody is wilfully ignorant they are avoiding the uncomfortable truth so that they can keep doing bad things without getting guilty. If somebody knows but doesn't care then they are even worse than wilfully ignorant, they are wilfully apathetic. I don't understand how people like this aren't overwhelmed with guilt. Thanks Cip for defending the innocent and helpless. 🌱💚
Good work cip when confronted by someone like her , basically she's not a very nice person really . Some people are beyond approach . A true narcissist.
Wow, finally an honest person who simply expresses their apathy. I understand why people hide it with excuses and lame arguments, because it is so disgusting when it is laid bare. I totally get why you didn't want to continue talking to her.
You did everything right in this convo, some people are just too selfish. I guess you could have pointed out in that last part that smoking and eating animals are not the same because we have the right to self-harm, but I think you realized it would be pointless with someone like this. She would have just said “I know I know” and done nothing.
Violence begins in the soul. If that’s all your soul knows and loves that violence takes years to simmer. I pulled away from mankind because majority of humans that’s all they know. Least she is honest and open with her violent nature. Least she has that awareness. But it takes a powerful person not to harm any being regardless is they can or cannot!
you are so true in all that you say. That is why VEGANS are the most POWERFULL beings in the world! For they exercise the power of universal love for all life, which gives them universal gratitude, by all life! Thanks for sharing.
Good job, however excersizes and smoking she is the only one effected by those choices which are personal choices. Eating meat has a victim/s involved so it's not so personal a choice anymore and it's not the same. Example it's "personal" choice to go around calling people racist names yet it's not so personal as there are victims. It was "personal" choice for killer's to kill others humans. No one can equate an actual personal choice to a choice with a victim. Another example is banning smoking in public places due to effects on others however in designated places it's ok or in personal places it's ok due to there being no other victims of your choice. Personal choice should be renamed Your choice.
God gives animals for meat... For human survival. I can ask you the same question about trees, are they not living organisms if everyone in the world decides that they will eat vegan will not the trees perish. They are being used for coal, building materials and all other sorts of goods.
Trees are not sentient. Animals are. In any case the leading driver of deforestation on the planet is animal agriculture. If you care about the trees and plants you would significantly reduce your destruction of them by not supporting animal agriculture. Do you actually care? Or are you just making excuses?
Eating meat doesnt make you violent. We simply cant grow enough food just to feed this many ppl in the world off plants. If it was possible we wouldnt have to genetically modify plants to make them grow larger and produce more. If somoene could prove me wrong i would love to see because i see a lot of people dying if we stop eating animals because fruits and vegetables are already expensive in many places.
PMID: 37474804 Dietary impacts of vegans were 25.1% (95% uncertainty interval, 15.1-37.0%) of high meat-eaters (≥100 g total meat consumed per day) for greenhouse gas emissions, 25.1% (7.1-44.5%) for land use, 46.4% (21.0-81.0%) for water use, 27.0% (19.4-40.4%) for eutrophication and 34.3% (12.0-65.3%) for biodiversity Land use is almost at a quarter, ofc we could grow enough plants
@@veganpowerlab are you counting the entire landmass as us only using a quater of it because if thats so theres plenty of land yes but theres also plenty of unfarmable land or land that would make farming twice as expensive because of the harsh enviroment the land is located in. Cant say were only using a quarter of land to farm when not even 100% of the land is farmable to begin with and im not gunna claim to be some smart guy that knows everything im just a dumb american from the mid west all that number stuff you posted idk wtf youre talking about, and im not even hating on anyone here to be clear. i just dont get why people saying farming animals which has been done almost forever now in human race life time is such a terrible thing when we have both food options meat and plants and we still cant just feed everyone. If you think crop type food is expensive now imagine it when we lose access to eat meat. A lot of hungry people still (just as many if not more) and we would narrow our eating options down to just a few things because how crops need to be cycled when mass grown in areas. Vegan is cool now if its healthy for you and have other options competing with prices to keep costs down but when every market is selling the same crop at every store because its that time of the year life would be tasteless and boring. And if you ever did decide to eat meat again probably wouldnt be able to afford it Edit: now i am not in support of "Everything every farm does yes theres bad ones no saying the system is perfect because ive never seen a perfect system to begin with" but removing farms with animals completely in my opinion would do more harm than good. And no one can say im wrong until this has been tested and i hope im long gone by the time they decide to try that
Hmm I think vegans prefer the lies and floundering to the actual truth. We all might have different reasons for our behaviors, though I'm the end our own quality of life with be a heavy influence.
@@veganpowerlab Would seem many when filmed take a more agreeable stance. Eventually stating they want to try going vegan, even when their entire conversation up to that point was in direct conflict with that possibility. Despite being pressed with various points that would shame most people into agreeance, she was truthful that despite her conflictions she will continue to consume animal products.
@@veganpowerlab Though her ability to choose that for herself is no less valid. I fully understand the frustration of despite being given the same info as you would still choose to consume. In your mind being vegan is the only logical choice, though everyone is different. The thing I'll commend you on, is where others would revert to call her names, you stayed as respectful as you could in that moment, well done. I learned something as a child "when you revert to Name calling over rational conversation you have already lost the argument"
@@TheShockedboy yeah, but, choosing something immoral just because you want to, is quite bad. If you apply that in any other scenario, you’d understand how bad it is. But, because you were thought that it’s okay to do this to animals, you just see it as a choice, Imagine saying “it’s my choice to have a slave” (if i were legally allowed to). It completely disregards the victim’s choice.
So that justifies the use, abuse, the exploitation and the killing of app. 80 billion land animals each year? Or could people just take an iron supplement or eat spinach, sweet potatoes, peas and other vegetables with a good iron content!
@@piaogilvie8463 ok iron content that’s poorly absorbed. I don’t like to see animals come to harm but if I don’t eat red meat, I cant even walk more than 5 mins without near collapsing. And i supplement iron too. Humans are omnivore.
@@altnarrative Humans can live well and thrive on a plant based diet, but in some parts of the world the consumption of meat is extremely high which can only be because people like the taste of it and completely ignore the fact, that animals suffer and die for the pleasure of people. As for your iron deficiency I can't comment, only I must say, that if you supplement and eat red meat and is still deficient, then that is indeed strange. If you aren't already eating vegetables like mentioned in my first comment, then perhaps you should give them a try
Firstly I hate any logic used by Gandhi . You should stop calling him Mahatma He was single handedly responsible for killing of lakhs of human lives. Don’t just judge the book by what he says
The partition itself is enough for me. and giving up more than 45 percent land in Kashmir even though sardar patel didn’t want that to happen. Making Nehru the pm even though patel was the rightful selected Everything after selecting Nehru and riots along with moving the Muslims in to that region is all his fault He is not a Mahatma by any means
@@vamsiramineedi6296 you think people that hid his lies will keep this data available for you to see? cmon man you are smarter than that. you just have to connect the dots. the romila thapars of India have butchered history for a long time.
Thank you Cip for speaking up for animals, raising awareness and encouraging personal responsibility. It’s important to remember that we don’t get to see how people may change when they have a chance to reflect on the conversations.
I think you’re right, Haz. And, I hope she looks into it. She really can’t continue thinking it’s okay
Deep down everyone knows it's wrong, make the right choice, choose Veganism and spare animal lives🙏🫂❤️🐮🐷🐔🐇🐟🐝💚💚💚
Wow, that is sad she said that, acknowledged that it did not feel right or good to say and still felt it was ok to express not changing. If she were the victim would she have accepted that or would she want her oppressors to stop exploiting her and let her live?
You were so calm and logical Cip, I think it was best that you parted ways in such a manner. It wasn't mean but it also wasn't a comfortable parting. It was perfect and she will be thinking about your conversation for a good long while.
Hey vegan stoner ❤I talked to you in one of his lives!
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If somebody is ignorant I can understand why they do bad things.
If somebody is wilfully ignorant they are avoiding the uncomfortable truth so that they can keep doing bad things without getting guilty.
If somebody knows but doesn't care then they are even worse than wilfully ignorant, they are wilfully apathetic. I don't understand how people like this aren't overwhelmed with guilt.
Thanks Cip for defending the innocent and helpless. 🌱💚
animals do not deserve to be objectified and used by us.🌱
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Good work cip when confronted by someone like her , basically she's not a very nice person really . Some people are beyond approach . A true narcissist.
She's just honest. Most people don't care.
But that's hard for vegans to accept.
Being honest about an injustice you’re committing doesn’t make it less of an injustice
@@veganpowerlab Since when is not caring an injustice?
@@MustardSkaven exploiting and slaughtering innocent sentient beings for optional products is an injustice
@@veganpowerlab That's great and she is honest about not caring. Now what?
Excellent outreach. Thank you fellow vegan💗💗💗
Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."Martin Luther King Jr
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Wow, finally an honest person who simply expresses their apathy. I understand why people hide it with excuses and lame arguments, because it is so disgusting when it is laid bare. I totally get why you didn't want to continue talking to her.
You did everything right in this convo, some people are just too selfish. I guess you could have pointed out in that last part that smoking and eating animals are not the same because we have the right to self-harm, but I think you realized it would be pointless with someone like this. She would have just said “I know I know” and done nothing.
Well said. Be vegan everyone 💚💚💚💚💚💚
Ignorance is bliss, huh? What a bad person.
Lacking the empathy chip.
She was
Choosing to smoke and choosing to actively support rape, exploitation and murder are completely different things. Just wow....
She is completely out of her mind
unfortunately
So sad
Violence begins in the soul. If that’s all your soul knows and loves that violence takes years to simmer. I pulled away from mankind because majority of humans that’s all they know. Least she is honest and open with her violent nature. Least she has that awareness. But it takes a powerful person not to harm any being regardless is they can or cannot!
you are so true in all that you say. That is why VEGANS are the most POWERFULL beings in the world! For they exercise the power of universal love for all life, which gives them universal gratitude, by all life! Thanks for sharing.
@@alexparkinson6437 right! 🥰
Lets don't talk to crop death violent people that just want to grow crops. Save the Bunnies.
Good job, however excersizes and smoking she is the only one effected by those choices which are personal choices.
Eating meat has a victim/s involved so it's not so personal a choice anymore and it's not the same.
Example it's "personal" choice to go around calling people racist names yet it's not so personal as there are victims.
It was "personal" choice for killer's to kill others humans.
No one can equate an actual personal choice to a choice with a victim.
Another example is banning smoking in public places due to effects on others however in designated places it's ok or in personal places it's ok due to there being no other victims of your choice.
Personal choice should be renamed Your choice.
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Let people decide on their own cause you don't carry their sins or struggles either !!
Not when there are victims involved. Then good people have a duty to speak up for them.
I will eat a steak every day .I would even eat a hum an if i had to. Meat is KING.Chicken is very tasty and the rest too. Even Vegans love meat
You’ll oppress innocent sentient beings because you get pleasure from it.. got it
God gives animals for meat... For human survival. I can ask you the same question about trees, are they not living organisms if everyone in the world decides that they will eat vegan will not the trees perish. They are being used for coal, building materials and all other sorts of goods.
😂 you believe in fairytales 😂
Trees are not sentient. Animals are. In any case the leading driver of deforestation on the planet is animal agriculture. If you care about the trees and plants you would significantly reduce your destruction of them by not supporting animal agriculture. Do you actually care? Or are you just making excuses?
Eat raw beef liver 😋
🤢🤮 Gross get some help
Eating meat doesnt make you violent. We simply cant grow enough food just to feed this many ppl in the world off plants. If it was possible we wouldnt have to genetically modify plants to make them grow larger and produce more. If somoene could prove me wrong i would love to see because i see a lot of people dying if we stop eating animals because fruits and vegetables are already expensive in many places.
PMID: 37474804 Dietary impacts of vegans were 25.1% (95% uncertainty interval, 15.1-37.0%) of high meat-eaters (≥100 g total meat consumed per day) for greenhouse gas emissions, 25.1% (7.1-44.5%) for land use, 46.4% (21.0-81.0%) for water use, 27.0% (19.4-40.4%) for eutrophication and 34.3% (12.0-65.3%) for biodiversity
Land use is almost at a quarter, ofc we could grow enough plants
@@veganpowerlab are you counting the entire landmass as us only using a quater of it because if thats so theres plenty of land yes but theres also plenty of unfarmable land or land that would make farming twice as expensive because of the harsh enviroment the land is located in. Cant say were only using a quarter of land to farm when not even 100% of the land is farmable to begin with and im not gunna claim to be some smart guy that knows everything im just a dumb american from the mid west all that number stuff you posted idk wtf youre talking about, and im not even hating on anyone here to be clear. i just dont get why people saying farming animals which has been done almost forever now in human race life time is such a terrible thing when we have both food options meat and plants and we still cant just feed everyone. If you think crop type food is expensive now imagine it when we lose access to eat meat. A lot of hungry people still (just as many if not more) and we would narrow our eating options down to just a few things because how crops need to be cycled when mass grown in areas. Vegan is cool now if its healthy for you and have other options competing with prices to keep costs down but when every market is selling the same crop at every store because its that time of the year life would be tasteless and boring. And if you ever did decide to eat meat again probably wouldnt be able to afford it
Edit: now i am not in support of "Everything every farm does yes theres bad ones no saying the system is perfect because ive never seen a perfect system to begin with" but removing farms with animals completely in my opinion would do more harm than good. And no one can say im wrong until this has been tested and i hope im long gone by the time they decide to try that
You're wrong. We can feed everyone on plant based options. Farming animals is unsustainable.
Btw eating meat when you don't have to makes you violent.
@@GahZilluhmoot point. We would be growing fewer crops without animal agriculture. What's your next excuse?
Hmm I think vegans prefer the lies and floundering to the actual truth. We all might have different reasons for our behaviors, though I'm the end our own quality of life with be a heavy influence.
What lies do vegans prefer?
@@veganpowerlab Would seem many when filmed take a more agreeable stance. Eventually stating they want to try going vegan, even when their entire conversation up to that point was in direct conflict with that possibility. Despite being pressed with various points that would shame most people into agreeance, she was truthful that despite her conflictions she will continue to consume animal products.
@@TheShockedboy doesn’t make it any more moral, does it?
@@veganpowerlab Though her ability to choose that for herself is no less valid. I fully understand the frustration of despite being given the same info as you would still choose to consume. In your mind being vegan is the only logical choice, though everyone is different. The thing I'll commend you on, is where others would revert to call her names, you stayed as respectful as you could in that moment, well done. I learned something as a child "when you revert to Name calling over rational conversation you have already lost the argument"
@@TheShockedboy yeah, but, choosing something immoral just because you want to, is quite bad. If you apply that in any other scenario, you’d understand how bad it is. But, because you were thought that it’s okay to do this to animals, you just see it as a choice,
Imagine saying “it’s my choice to have a slave” (if i were legally allowed to). It completely disregards the victim’s choice.
There’s no better absorbed iron source for anemics than red meat.
So that justifies the use, abuse, the exploitation and the killing of app. 80 billion land animals each year?
Or could people just take an iron supplement or eat spinach, sweet potatoes, peas and other vegetables with a good iron content!
@@piaogilvie8463 ok iron content that’s poorly absorbed. I don’t like to see animals come to harm but if I don’t eat red meat, I cant even walk more than 5 mins without near collapsing. And i supplement iron too.
Humans are omnivore.
@@altnarrative
Humans can live well and thrive on a plant based diet, but in some parts of the world the consumption of meat is extremely high which can only be because people like the taste of it and completely ignore the fact, that animals suffer and die for the pleasure of people.
As for your iron deficiency I can't comment, only I must say, that if you supplement and eat red meat and is still deficient, then that is indeed strange.
If you aren't already eating vegetables like mentioned in my first comment, then perhaps you should give them a try
Firstly I hate any logic used by Gandhi . You should stop calling him Mahatma
He was single handedly responsible for killing of lakhs of human lives.
Don’t just judge the book by what he says
Please post sources for your claims.
The partition itself is enough for me. and giving up more than 45 percent land in Kashmir even though sardar patel didn’t want that to happen. Making Nehru the pm even though patel was the rightful selected
Everything after selecting Nehru and riots along with moving the Muslims in to that region is all his fault
He is not a Mahatma by any means
@@jiglak good to hear your opinions. please post sources for your claims.
@@vamsiramineedi6296 you think people that hid his lies will keep this data available for you to see? cmon man you are smarter than that. you just have to connect the dots. the romila thapars of India have butchered history for a long time.
Just buy dairy from small farmers who treat animals well.
I am gradually moving more plant based, but i don't like this militant approach.
And if he or anyone were doing at least this much to try to save your life, would you criticize their "militant approach"? Just curious.
"militant"....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂 well aren't you sensitive
"I know, I know, I know, I know, i know, I know, I know.........but I dont give a fuck????!!!"