If I had a nickel for every time Jared Leto was in a over hyped Comic Book Movie that was hacked to bits in post production causing him to became the butt of the joke in fan spaces I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but its weird it happened twice.
I have 0 faith in Sony's Villian Spider-Verse. The first venom was a very mediocre movie, the second was even worse. So, going with the IF TRUE assumption, none of this surprises me.
@@axionlightedge6108 it’s forgettable af especially when they can’t even give the protagonist a fucking character arc which is the most fundamental thing u need for a movie I don’t get how god damn amateur these people worked on that r
They're not even real villains. They want to market all of them as antihero. The only villain is Toomes but even he doesn't wanna kill spiderman anymore.
I get it but Ana Armas that thing is ridiculous, that case is absolute nonsense, the whole Yesterday campaign wasn't based on that actress, thats More like Hulk not being in Infinite War! This is a very different situation
@@offspringfan1288 she was included in the trailers and promo for the film “Yesterday” but then her scenes weren’t in the movie. So fans of hers filed a lawsuit saying it was false advertisement and they only bought tickets to see her. They did a video on it.
AnointedFlow It is nonsense. They didn’t do it to drive sales, otherwise they would’ve just kept the scenes in. No, they decided to cut the scene for quality reasons and the marketing company (completely different from the studio) already included a couple shots of her.
Here's my theory....Morbius was supposed to come out a year (or more) ago. But since it was pushed back to AFTER "No Way Home" the Spider man "Murderer" stuff wouldn't make sense b/c the DR Strange spell "fixed" everything. Michael Keaton's Vulture wouldn't remember Spiderman now. The fact that it comes out after NWH screwed up the whole script.
@@brianc620 BUT...maybe the scenes that were shot had Vulture talking about Peter Parker and now they can't use it. I am just reaching for straws with this theory....I wouldn't be surprised it SONY just screwed this up due to incompetence.
Every time I see the trailer or TV spot for this movie, they always say "The next Marvel Legend is coming." That already sounds weird to me. The fact that they constantly have to emphasize that this is a Marvel character felt like they were trying too hard to sell the movie.
100%! I’ve always thought that Sony kept pushing this movie WAY too much on us and it just screamed “mediocrity” and still does. I’ll still see the movie myself but my expectations can’t be any lower…
I don't understand why John had faith in this film. The trailers looked awful. The director has never made a good movie, and the writers are responsible for such classics as Gods of Egypt and The Last Witch Hunter. This movie was going to suck from the moment it was announced.
Once again, I gotta agree with Rob. This movie was done and supposed to be released two years ago, before all the connections to spider verse it was only Tom Holland spiderman. No one involved with this knew about details from NWH. its all editing, who's to say they hear these reports and put everything back in... They might be trying to hide story surprises?? But the marketing hasn't changed once since the original trailer. Yeah, not a good look when review embargo is so close to release, but they could be hiding something good instead of bad
It seems pretty obvious that due to the past 2 years with lockdowns and films being shuffled and rescheduled Marvel had to change a lot with their original plans with the multiverse story arc. And I think the original plans were to work with Sony in helping them create their new Spiderverse by allowing them to mention the multiverse and have certain connection points. Venom had a minor end credits teaser connection, but Morbius was going to be the first of the Sony movies to really showcase the new spiderverse. But that film was made and finished before Covid flipped everything forcing Marvel to swap movies around and tell the multiverse story in a different way. Now the multiverse storyline in Morbius is no longer fitting in the puzzle and they don't have the time and can't afford to refilm large chunks of the film to make it fit to the new Marvel storyline. So they have decided to just cut them out. So I don't think the original trailers were lying to us, those scenes were originally in the finale edit, but have now had to be cut out so they can tell the multiverse connection another way in another film that will make sense and connect with what Marvel have already told. Problem is, Sony would have had to have known about this months ago and would have re edited the film long before now. So all the new trailers that have popped up in the last couple of months that still sell this movie on it's connections to Spider-Man, that still shows those Keaton scenes, should be classed as a total lie and an illegal selling technique.
The original Venom had pretty misleading marketing too. The Venom trailers did not pitch a Buddy cop movie starring Eddie Brock and Venom, but that’s the movie we got. It’s not as egregious as what’s being reported here, but that’s something to keep in mind in regards to Sony superhero marketing
I think its happened because Sony had no idea what universe the Sony films were in until No Way Home. I don't think it was a lie, just Sony having no plan and no idea what they were doing until it was too late. Morbius was originally going to come out before No Way Home and I think they wanted to trick audiences into thinking it was part of the MCU, look its the vulture! Look spider-man is a murderer like in far from home (but they got the wrong suit). Then NWH came out first and was a success, and it established the venomverse is a separate universe and it made fans want the other Spideys back. Sony quickly had to change the plan for Morbius and make it seem less like its in the MCU, they couldn't cut Vulture completely because they put him in the trailers so instead they just moved him to the post credits. Potentially the plan was to make it seem like the sonyverse was MCU and cross Tom Holland over, but now the multiverse is open they have other options and wanted to change Morbius to allow something else in the future.
Garfield also told us in NWH that he became bitter after Gwen's death and stopped pulling his punches. We also got hints to Black Cat & Rhino, both who were introduced in TASM2. And the Oscorp sign looked alot like TASM universe. I thought it was going to be in his universe.
I also think they had to overhaul it bc of No Way Home. Bit off more than they could chew but it might just be a side effect of having to push this movie back to after NWH (bc of the pandemic)
I've never really had faith in the Morbius film since it was rumoured. Like I love the Spidey comics, love Morbius as a character. But like why would you ever give him his own film. He is a C list spiderman villain. And to give him a solo film feels super pointless. As a follow up from Venom its was a weak character to go with. Should went with another member of the Sinister Six if they were trying to establish something. And the whole multiversity is very confusing for me?
It sounds to me like they shot scenes for this movie in a way that would give them 2 paths, if this movie is good then they *would* include scenes like the stuff with Michael Keaton or the Spider-Man mural, because now they’d be like “Hey people liked this movie so now we feel comfortable with it being part of the MCU” but if it wasn’t they would cut all those connections out to avoid being connected to something people have said they don’t like
Post-NWH pivot by Sony. This is what happens when the movie doesn't come out when it is supposed to. Movie never looked good to me but this makes me sad.
I mean why would anyone care about a Morbius film if it's not remotely connected to any spiderverse. Like Morbius isnt even a top 10 Spidey villian, this movie is just a super odd choice by Sony.
Cuz Sony sucks and they're tryna do what Warner Brothers did with Joker solo but they couldn't make half a movie as good as that was.If they hadn't screwed up with Andrew Garfield he'd still be the main Spider-Man so now they're making solo movies with his enemies.They got lucky with Venom bcuz those were watchable but they weren't MCU level good by any means so I know the other ones they'll attempt won't be any good
The fact that John can see those trailers and think they indicate this will be a great film puts his critic-credentials into serious question. Those trailers make it look like this will be a boring mess of a movie.
Facts the movie looks alright at best and you know what’s worse? He thinks that Ms. Marvel trailer that came out was great also… I kind of want know what kind of drugs is he on right now lol
This movie has been delayed so many times, that the original trailer from 2020 advertised as "From the same studio that brought you Spider-Man: Far From Home." The last trailer changed it "From the same studio that brought you Spider-Man: No Way Home".
I lost excitement for this movie the minute I saw the writers for it. Sony always does that. They treat their IPs like its shit: MIB international, Andrew's Spiderman, Uncharted, Venom etc. What did you expect to see in this movie when it's written by the same writers of... um, let's see: Gods Of Egypt, Dracula Untold, Power Rangers and The Last Witch Hunter (Personally I don't think these movies are the worst thing ever or unwatchable but still...). And BTW these two guys who wrote Morbius are also writing Madame Web. Apparently, Sony is RUN by corporate suits and not top execs who understand the biz. It's mind-boggling because they USE the same 10 writers for EVERY ONE OF THEIR UPCOMING PROJECTS. Like the worst screen credits man... WHY? WHYYYY? And I'm not done yet. The precious Kraven movie that's coming do you know who is writing that thing? From the writers of Punisher WarZone, Transformers the Last Knight, Uncharted (cohesive mess), Expendables 2, Agents of Shield WTF. Seriously every time I see a topic about a SONY movie I'm starting to lose it. The worst blockbusters come from them. THANK YOU KEVIN FEIGE FOR SAVING SPIDERMAN FROM THESE MORONS who can't even write a 3 act movie let alone a 3 part movie franchise... EDIT: I agree with ROB 100%. This was so mediocre that probably Kevin and Amy had to delay it and just chop it down. Keaton is only in the post-credit because now he is supposed to be a tease. That's it. Jared pls man get out of there quickly cuz you deserve better superhero movies.
it looks like even Sony themselves knows morbius is shit. and if what you say is right, then why do they keep the same writers for their next project? unless its nepotism, i don't understand it
@@keving5004 Madame Web, Kraven and apparently Morbius are going to be written by the same guys. Im gonna make a wild bet here. This Venomverse is going to bomb hard for SONY. I expect a bigger trainwreck than the DCEU: Begins. These movies will be so unstructured, so bad that will keep Tom Holland far away from them for at least 7-8 years.
@@guilhermebahia6050 who gives a shit those movies r still incredibly amateur but obviously Sony won’t care cuz how ironic that they’re like symbiote sucking onto marvel to succeed
If you’ve ever taken a drink from a soda can with a cigarette butt in it, you’ll always remember. And in the back of your mind, you’re always checking your soda cans first before you go in for a drink.
Saw it in London last night. It's true. All of Keaton is cut save for some very bad end credit scenes. Jared Harris also gets chopped considerably based on what I have seen in the trailers. He's virtually a non-entity in the movie. It's all baaaaaad. Very bad.
I think what could have happened is the fact that this movie was supposed to be released 2 years ago before venom 2 and before Spider-Man no way home. But now that it's coming out after the fact the connective tissue has changed and maybe they had to remove some things cuz it doesn't make sense in the timeline anymore.
I get the impression that not many ppl were lining up to see Morbius in the first place. But I hope it surprises everyone and is great, for the sake of a great Spider-verse.
I was always wondering how the heck they were gonna explain their references to venom and the MCU, but if they totally change the movie from what they’ve advertised, they’re done. It’s gonna be a blood bath on rotten tomatoes 😭😭
They're saying that even Jared Leto has spoken on behalf of the project, saying that some things will be mind blowing once audiences are sitting in theaters... What if Jared have already seen the movie or most of it, then talks about the surprising stuff but during those statements the studio decided to re-edit the film and Jared or the rest of the cast don't know anything about it??
Rob is right. John is delusional. If the scenes and storyline connecting to the greater multi-verse being removed are true…it’s a 99% chance that they removed them to avoid having a turd connected their cinematic universe of toy commercials. Gonna skip this one, trailers looked like shallow fluff to me.
Honestly this looks like an early 2000 origin movie with the same old formula people are tierd of, guy gets powers half way in the movie so the first half is boring then he learns how to use them towards the middle, fights only humans (boring henchmen with no powers just people with guns) then the final villain which idk who it is, maybe another guy with a gun and the end 😑
@@Antonio_Ortiz That’s what I thought, though Michael Keaton had me going “maybe it is?”. It’s obvious it’s set in Tom Hardy’s Venom verse, as the upcoming Aaron Taylor-Johnson led Kraven The Hunter film will as Sony are lusting for a Sinister Six film since they ruined TASM 2 with all that setup for a Sinister Six film.
Maybe that’s why they delayed the film from January to April because they wanted it to be distanced from No Way Home. To me it seemed a bit odd that they delayed it again when it could ride that momentum that NWH would give it.
And it wasn't just distancing from NWH but also using NWH momentum to build the hype of Uncharted when it released in February, which say what you want about that movie, but the results of that strategy really paid off nicely
If that’s actually true, not only I actually think that it's going to affect the film's financial performance, but it also further shows that Sony is STUPID.
Like John said, the thing that had people chatting about this film since the first trailer in 2020 have been all these references and connections to the MCU and Tom Hardy’s Venomverse. And cutting it all out is the strangest and dumbest move ever made, I doubt it’s set in the MCU as I feel if that were so, then the film would’ve had the Marvel Studios intro and logo in the trailers and posters!
Same sources of this report and more, have claimed that there is nothing spider man related in the movie. Not even post credit. Post Credit is a Vulture tease
@@jaimeruiz7837 yes Andrew deserves better. I rather he do another epic multiverse hangout with Tobey and Tom just talking to each other and swinging through NY then be in Morbius of all movies.
I don't think is because is a bad or mediocre movie, the MCU it's a testament of not so good movies adding up as just narrative scapegoats and fixing them on the run, i think they're not letting the Characters die, they probably just DON'T KNOW WHICH SPIDERMAN to tie it to yet, No Way Home opened a pandora box, Venom entered the MCU clearly referenced as another universe, and now is out but with a new one on the way? it's messy and now they just don't know if they're going to add this spiderverse to the MCU or using Andrew Garfield again
No wonder why No way home was great. Feige, Watts and Pascal understood the character very well. Sony basically would have played it idioticly without any understanding. No wonder why Marvel and Sony had a rift, and Feige had to clean the mess.
@@avanishdutta2658 How did Feige, Watts, and Pascal understand Spider-Man well? Blame Avi Arad, not the company. Do you mean Disney and Sony had a rift where Disney is being sack of crap because of their greed and mediocre?
@@JohnnyTheGamer Nah they did understand the character given by what I’ve seen. They even understood Andrew’s Spider-Man character and made him make peace with the character and have a bunch of people love him. While Sony’s tasm2 made people hate him and made Andrew loose his love with the character
Venom Let There Be Carnage was a disappointed movie from some people saying that Cornish should have been more presented as a bad guy instead of a poser like a skateboarder
If you're gonna go see a morbius film then shouldn't that be on the strength of the movie and not whether so other bull from other movies is shoehorned in.
I think there's a possibility that the covid shift of the MCU events eventually bumped into this, after all, America Chavez and other stuff were also cut from spiderman, It could simply be a matter of Marvel pushing back the timetable of the multiverse stuff and that effecting this film post-marketing. with this coming out before dr strange, it makes sense. I just think there is more going on here than we are considering.
But, we didn’t see America Chavez in any of the promotional materials. That’s the big difference between this and that. This is Sony switching it up and going back on what they advertised.
@@ParablePreacher right but I believe Morbius was originally slated to come out before spiderman, and the marketing started before it, plus who knows how well those changes may have been communicated between productions, all I'm saying is it's easy to jump to conclusions, why not just give them the benefit of the doubt and hope for the best.
@@ThompsonBrosStudios First off, Morbius was suppose to come out before Venom: Let There Be Carnage, not No Way Home. And second, why on earth will Sony end up changing the decision on removing in these references at the last second, if they were still campaigning and marketing them for like 2 years? And did you even saw last night's video about the Morbius premiere? They even made Jared Leto himself still say the "I am venom!" reference literally. And plus, none of us has even gotten a chance to even see the movie ourselves at all, and yet already there are reporters saying that they change them at the last second? They're only just saying it to temper high expectations.
I seriously don't know why John supports the Sony Marvelverse. It's really pointless and just a desperate attempt by Sony to copy the MCU. Kraven the Hunter and Madame Web movies?? Seriously? And they can't even use Spider-Man because Spider-Man is in the MCU 🤦
If I remember correctly in the first trailer there was murderer written over the spiderman poster... and as you said the movie was delayed again and again. I can't help but get the feeling that the Plan for Morbius was to be released bedore no way home narrarively for him being still blamed on Mysterios death... What if most of the connective tissue was just nullified because no way home simply moved on? I know... it doesn't explain Letos comment or the last Trailer, but as we know Studios aren't allways aware if the Marketing and actors often doesn't really know what is going Produktion wise at all. My first thought was poor Leto. I really like this dude and after he was screwed over by DC with that cut Joker part I really hoped he gets a better treatment over at Sony. Lets hope he can Ryan Reynolds the Situation and find a perfect pic in the next years. Because I really would like to see more of this without a doubt talented guy on the big comic screen.
*If true - a reason could be perhaps the need to reconfigure the universe/multiverse to accommodate maybe new Spiderman content either Maguire or Garfield that hasn't been announced yet? Just a thought...
Still don't know why anyone at any point would've given a single crap about this movie honestly. Like I hope all this stuff is true because I want Sony's subpar movies as far away from the MCU as possible. Expecting Sony to have a plan after their track record are care about quality is just setting yourself up for disappointment
I've always thought the Keaton / Spider-Man stuff is secondary to the main story. To me, it always felt like just a cameo. I am more concerned about the quality of the movie.
@@OrangeHand I wasn't asking about his other comments I was asking about your response to his MoS comment in this thread. If your response stems from other comments in this comment section that he's posted outside of the thread then you should've specified. And your response to my very simple question was very low effort considering that you could've just explained to me why you though his comment was a troll. But instead you simply replied that his other unrelated comments would make his more relevant comment apparent, as if you'd expect me to sift through the comment section and draw my own conclusion about why you thought his MoS comment was a troll when you could've simply explained it to me yourself.
This movie gives me new mutant vibes. It'll prob be terrible when it comes out because it doesn't fall in line with anything, but 20 years from now when nobody cares somebody will find, and love it.
This could backfire on Sony in a big way. No Way Home generated so much goodwill and created some real anticipation for Morbius. If they’ve cut the Marvel details it’ll cause bad word of mouth and will harm interest in future Sony Spider movies!
Exactly. Whether the movie is good or not, if Sony has to make any money out of it, they have to keep those Marvel details no matter what. Otherwise, even if the movie is not bad, they'll surely loose money anyway.
Before the pandemic happened, wasn’t Morbius supposed to be released in theatres BEFORE SpiderMan No Way Home? If it was, wouldn’t that hint that Morbius wasn’t going to be connected to SpiderMan in the first place?
Even though I liked the film, every Spider-Man universe tie in from the trailers are gone and they even either changed dialogue or didn't even use certain lines. Like, why?
So not only have there been reports that critics are heavily disappointed with the movie, but the actor who plays the villain of the movie said he doesn't even know anything about his character. And NOW we're getting reports that Morbius didn't just mislead us, but straight up lied to us in the trailers? Wow, this movie is looking like a real shitshow...
That Matt Smith interview did make me laugh; it was literally "dude I dunno WTF this movie is supposed to be about, I just turned up and read some lines" Kind of a shame since it was apparently Karen Gillan who hyped him up to star in a Marvel movie, but evidently the production standards aren't quite the same between the MCU and SSU lol
I will never understand why John is excited for this film. It’s looked bad since 2020
If I had a nickel for every time Jared Leto was in a over hyped Comic Book Movie that was hacked to bits in post production causing him to became the butt of the joke in fan spaces I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but its weird it happened twice.
Haha! This made me laugh out loud. Jesus Christ.
I have 0 faith in Sony's Villian Spider-Verse. The first venom was a very mediocre movie, the second was even worse. So, going with the IF TRUE assumption, none of this surprises me.
Venom was bad but still very enjoyable. Especially the second one. Bad but enjoyable=Amazing!
@@axionlightedge6108 it’s forgettable af especially when they can’t even give the protagonist a fucking character arc which is the most fundamental thing u need for a movie I don’t get how god damn amateur these people worked on that r
They're not even real villains. They want to market all of them as antihero. The only villain is Toomes but even he doesn't wanna kill spiderman anymore.
I’m less mad about the lack of Spider-Man audiences and more about how they lied in the trailers
Situations like this are why that Ana De Armas lawsuit needed to happen and deserves to change things in Hollywood. 🤷🏽♂️
I get it but Ana Armas that thing is ridiculous, that case is absolute nonsense, the whole Yesterday campaign wasn't based on that actress, thats More like Hulk not being in Infinite War! This is a very different situation
Um… what situation was Ana De Armas in? This is new news for me. Mind explaining?
@@offspringfan1288 she was included in the trailers and promo for the film “Yesterday” but then her scenes weren’t in the movie. So fans of hers filed a lawsuit saying it was false advertisement and they only bought tickets to see her. They did a video on it.
AnointedFlow It is nonsense. They didn’t do it to drive sales, otherwise they would’ve just kept the scenes in.
No, they decided to cut the scene for quality reasons and the marketing company (completely different from the studio) already included a couple shots of her.
That ana de armas lawsuit is utter bullshit.
Morbius will help The Batman cross the 1 bn mark.
Here's my theory....Morbius was supposed to come out a year (or more) ago.
But since it was pushed back to AFTER "No Way Home" the Spider man "Murderer" stuff wouldn't make sense b/c the DR Strange spell "fixed" everything.
Michael Keaton's Vulture wouldn't remember Spiderman now.
The fact that it comes out after NWH screwed up the whole script.
yo this is actually a very good point
@@brianc620 BUT...maybe the scenes that were shot had Vulture talking about Peter Parker and now they can't use it.
I am just reaching for straws with this theory....I wouldn't be surprised it SONY just screwed this up due to incompetence.
This makes a lot of sense actually…
@@redfieldmovieuniverse4002 not really
@@BigDoener they only care about holding onto the ip
I don't have a lot of confidence in a movie that gets released on April Fool's Day
Every time I see the trailer or TV spot for this movie, they always say "The next Marvel Legend is coming." That already sounds weird to me. The fact that they constantly have to emphasize that this is a Marvel character felt like they were trying too hard to sell the movie.
100%! I’ve always thought that Sony kept pushing this movie WAY too much on us and it just screamed “mediocrity” and still does. I’ll still see the movie myself but my expectations can’t be any lower…
I’ve never heard of this character until I saw the trailer months ago 😭
I'm gonna go with Rob here and say something smells fishy here, Feige saw Morbius and probably didn't want anything to do with it.
I don't understand why John had faith in this film. The trailers looked awful. The director has never made a good movie, and the writers are responsible for such classics as Gods of Egypt and The Last Witch Hunter. This movie was going to suck from the moment it was announced.
he never made a good movie?? i actually liked safe house with ryan reynolds lol
@@detroitalwayz3132 Safe House was ok. His movies have mixed reviews at best - many have negative.
If this is true, they really hit the nail on the head with April 1st release date. This movie really would be a joke
Once again, I gotta agree with Rob. This movie was done and supposed to be released two years ago, before all the connections to spider verse it was only Tom Holland spiderman. No one involved with this knew about details from NWH. its all editing, who's to say they hear these reports and put everything back in... They might be trying to hide story surprises?? But the marketing hasn't changed once since the original trailer. Yeah, not a good look when review embargo is so close to release, but they could be hiding something good instead of bad
It seems pretty obvious that due to the past 2 years with lockdowns and films being shuffled and rescheduled Marvel had to change a lot with their original plans with the multiverse story arc. And I think the original plans were to work with Sony in helping them create their new Spiderverse by allowing them to mention the multiverse and have certain connection points. Venom had a minor end credits teaser connection, but Morbius was going to be the first of the Sony movies to really showcase the new spiderverse. But that film was made and finished before Covid flipped everything forcing Marvel to swap movies around and tell the multiverse story in a different way. Now the multiverse storyline in Morbius is no longer fitting in the puzzle and they don't have the time and can't afford to refilm large chunks of the film to make it fit to the new Marvel storyline. So they have decided to just cut them out. So I don't think the original trailers were lying to us, those scenes were originally in the finale edit, but have now had to be cut out so they can tell the multiverse connection another way in another film that will make sense and connect with what Marvel have already told. Problem is, Sony would have had to have known about this months ago and would have re edited the film long before now. So all the new trailers that have popped up in the last couple of months that still sell this movie on it's connections to Spider-Man, that still shows those Keaton scenes, should be classed as a total lie and an illegal selling technique.
The original Venom had pretty misleading marketing too. The Venom trailers did not pitch a Buddy cop movie starring Eddie Brock and Venom, but that’s the movie we got. It’s not as egregious as what’s being reported here, but that’s something to keep in mind in regards to Sony superhero marketing
I think its happened because Sony had no idea what universe the Sony films were in until No Way Home. I don't think it was a lie, just Sony having no plan and no idea what they were doing until it was too late.
Morbius was originally going to come out before No Way Home and I think they wanted to trick audiences into thinking it was part of the MCU, look its the vulture! Look spider-man is a murderer like in far from home (but they got the wrong suit). Then NWH came out first and was a success, and it established the venomverse is a separate universe and it made fans want the other Spideys back. Sony quickly had to change the plan for Morbius and make it seem less like its in the MCU, they couldn't cut Vulture completely because they put him in the trailers so instead they just moved him to the post credits. Potentially the plan was to make it seem like the sonyverse was MCU and cross Tom Holland over, but now the multiverse is open they have other options and wanted to change Morbius to allow something else in the future.
Garfield also told us in NWH that he became bitter after Gwen's death and stopped pulling his punches. We also got hints to Black Cat & Rhino, both who were introduced in TASM2. And the Oscorp sign looked alot like TASM universe. I thought it was going to be in his universe.
I also think they had to overhaul it bc of No Way Home. Bit off more than they could chew but it might just be a side effect of having to push this movie back to after NWH (bc of the pandemic)
That's wishful thinking
I've never really had faith in the Morbius film since it was rumoured. Like I love the Spidey comics, love Morbius as a character. But like why would you ever give him his own film. He is a C list spiderman villain. And to give him a solo film feels super pointless. As a follow up from Venom its was a weak character to go with. Should went with another member of the Sinister Six if they were trying to establish something. And the whole multiversity is very confusing for me?
You thought the trailers looked Great? That’s surprisingly. I thought this movie was a dumb idea to even make and then on top of that looked awful lol
Maybe it’s time for Sony to hire a Kevin Feige type to oversee the Sony Marvel universe. Amy Pascal should not be that person.
Oh no, the most anticipated comic book movie of 2004 is having issues?
Lmfao!
Maybe SM:NWH was so powerful the multiverse really did crack and changed the actual script 😂
It sounds to me like they shot scenes for this movie in a way that would give them 2 paths, if this movie is good then they *would* include scenes like the stuff with Michael Keaton or the Spider-Man mural, because now they’d be like “Hey people liked this movie so now we feel comfortable with it being part of the MCU” but if it wasn’t they would cut all those connections out to avoid being connected to something people have said they don’t like
Barely any ads with it coming out next week plus an embargo this close to release. I smell a stinker.
I actually hate Sony's production. We all know they are not up to the level of Marvel/Disney/Pixar
This stuff is why Sony should not have complete control over Spiderman. No Way Home mostly happened because of Kevin Feige.
Post-NWH pivot by Sony. This is what happens when the movie doesn't come out when it is supposed to. Movie never looked good to me but this makes me sad.
If this is true, I guess it makes more sense now that the movie is being released on April Fool's Day lol
I mean why would anyone care about a Morbius film if it's not remotely connected to any spiderverse. Like Morbius isnt even a top 10 Spidey villian, this movie is just a super odd choice by Sony.
Cuz Sony sucks and they're tryna do what Warner Brothers did with Joker solo but they couldn't make half a movie as good as that was.If they hadn't screwed up with Andrew Garfield he'd still be the main Spider-Man so now they're making solo movies with his enemies.They got lucky with Venom bcuz those were watchable but they weren't MCU level good by any means so I know the other ones they'll attempt won't be any good
The fact that John can see those trailers and think they indicate this will be a great film puts his critic-credentials into serious question. Those trailers make it look like this will be a boring mess of a movie.
Facts the movie looks alright at best and you know what’s worse? He thinks that Ms. Marvel trailer that came out was great also… I kind of want know what kind of drugs is he on right now lol
@@ZACLAND21 Ms Marvel has an appeal and a specific audience of younger fans, fan of morbious are spiderman fans and morbius does not look good
This movie has been delayed so many times, that the original trailer from 2020 advertised as "From the same studio that brought you Spider-Man: Far From Home." The last trailer changed it "From the same studio that brought you Spider-Man: No Way Home".
I lost excitement for this movie the minute I saw the writers for it. Sony always does that. They treat their IPs like its shit: MIB international, Andrew's Spiderman, Uncharted, Venom etc. What did you expect to see in this movie when it's written by the same writers of... um, let's see: Gods Of Egypt, Dracula Untold, Power Rangers and The Last Witch Hunter (Personally I don't think these movies are the worst thing ever or unwatchable but still...).
And BTW these two guys who wrote Morbius are also writing Madame Web. Apparently, Sony is RUN by corporate suits and not top execs who understand the biz. It's mind-boggling because they USE the same 10 writers for EVERY ONE OF THEIR UPCOMING PROJECTS. Like the worst screen credits man... WHY? WHYYYY? And I'm not done yet.
The precious Kraven movie that's coming do you know who is writing that thing? From the writers of Punisher WarZone, Transformers the Last Knight, Uncharted (cohesive mess), Expendables 2, Agents of Shield WTF. Seriously every time I see a topic about a SONY movie I'm starting to lose it. The worst blockbusters come from them. THANK YOU KEVIN FEIGE FOR SAVING SPIDERMAN FROM THESE MORONS who can't even write a 3 act movie let alone a 3 part movie franchise...
EDIT: I agree with ROB 100%. This was so mediocre that probably Kevin and Amy had to delay it and just chop it down. Keaton is only in the post-credit because now he is supposed to be a tease. That's it. Jared pls man get out of there quickly cuz you deserve better superhero movies.
Lol 😆
it looks like even Sony themselves knows morbius is shit. and if what you say is right, then why do they keep the same writers for their next project? unless its nepotism, i don't understand it
I agree after the Raimi Trilogy when Sony is left unchecked they take the Spidey Franchise to the ground
@@rocket4359 I DONT KNOW MAN. Honestly I don't know why they hire the same morons :D who can't write a proper movie?
@@keving5004 Madame Web, Kraven and apparently Morbius are going to be written by the same guys. Im gonna make a wild bet here. This Venomverse is going to bomb hard for SONY. I expect a bigger trainwreck than the DCEU: Begins. These movies will be so unstructured, so bad that will keep Tom Holland far away from them for at least 7-8 years.
What? Sony is over hyping how closely related their film is to the MCU?... Say it ain't so.
What...that's never ever happened before🥴. Not Sony.
Trailers looked like some early 2000s super hero movie like daredevil
Just like the 2 Venom movies lol
@@betterlatethannever2156 exactly. Sony-Verse is just like a more dated version of the MCU
@Jose.A. No need to get emotional over some films my dude
Sony need to wake up and stop making these 2002-2005 superhero movies in 2022
Well said
They are making a lot of money with it...
@@guilhermebahia6050 who gives a shit those movies r still incredibly amateur but obviously Sony won’t care cuz how ironic that they’re like symbiote sucking onto marvel to succeed
Nothing to be surprised here. I expected nothing less from sony. Reminds me of TASM 2.
Nah, it reminds me of LTBC and Homecoming trilogy including NWH.
@@JohnnyTheGamer Homecoming trilogy were made by Marvel Studios, Sony only distributed it
If you’ve ever taken a drink from a soda can with a cigarette butt in it, you’ll always remember. And in the back of your mind, you’re always checking your soda cans first before you go in for a drink.
😂
End Credits “APRIL FOOLS!” In large print
AND we know Sony would pull that Bullshit too.
HahAhaHaha!!!
Saw it in London last night. It's true. All of Keaton is cut save for some very bad end credit scenes.
Jared Harris also gets chopped considerably based on what I have seen in the trailers. He's virtually a non-entity in the movie.
It's all baaaaaad. Very bad.
And…Sony have the audacity to hired the same Morbius writers to write Madam Web…good god when can this misery ends lol
Going to be biggest April fools joke by Sony
Tgese are the same moron who wanted to make aunt may movie. I don't know etf are they thinking
Finally I think campea is starting to see Sony doesn’t know what they’re doing with their Spider-Man IP
Well now we (potentially) know why they moved it to April 1st.
Poor Jared Leto, first The Joker in Suicide Squad and now Morbius 😮
I hope 'this is not true'!
I think what could have happened is the fact that this movie was supposed to be released 2 years ago before venom 2 and before Spider-Man no way home. But now that it's coming out after the fact the connective tissue has changed and maybe they had to remove some things cuz it doesn't make sense in the timeline anymore.
I get the impression that not many ppl were lining up to see Morbius in the first place. But I hope it surprises everyone and is great, for the sake of a great Spider-verse.
I was always wondering how the heck they were gonna explain their references to venom and the MCU, but if they totally change the movie from what they’ve advertised, they’re done. It’s gonna be a blood bath on rotten tomatoes 😭😭
Bro Jared can’t catch a break with these comic book movies. He’s been screwed over by both DC AND Marvel now. Jesus.
@Jess M Wells What is the series about?
@Jess M Wells I never of the company before. What was the company about ?
@Jess M Wells I might give it a try.
They're saying that even Jared Leto has spoken on behalf of the project, saying that some things will be mind blowing once audiences are sitting in theaters... What if Jared have already seen the movie or most of it, then talks about the surprising stuff but during those statements the studio decided to re-edit the film and Jared or the rest of the cast don't know anything about it??
Connected to the larger MCU or not, I was never excited for this movie. When I first heard it was being made, I just thought "Why?"
Jared Leto has terrible luck with comic book movies
Rob is right. John is delusional. If the scenes and storyline connecting to the greater multi-verse being removed are true…it’s a 99% chance that they removed them to avoid having a turd connected their cinematic universe of toy commercials. Gonna skip this one, trailers looked like shallow fluff to me.
Honestly this looks like an early 2000 origin movie with the same old formula people are tierd of, guy gets powers half way in the movie so the first half is boring then he learns how to use them towards the middle, fights only humans (boring henchmen with no powers just people with guns) then the final villain which idk who it is, maybe another guy with a gun and the end 😑
Based on the formula of the Venom movies (and a lot of the MCU movies to be honest), I bet the villain will be another vampire.
@@MiloMurphysLaw that’s the Arrowverse formula
This is so freaking accurate! 😂
Just a thought Morbius comes out April 1 any chance this "lack of a leak" is a joke?
If this film were set in the MCU, wouldn’t it have the Marvel Studios intro and logo?
Bingo.
@@Antonio_Ortiz That’s what I thought, though Michael Keaton had me going “maybe it is?”. It’s obvious it’s set in Tom Hardy’s Venom verse, as the upcoming Aaron Taylor-Johnson led Kraven The Hunter film will as Sony are lusting for a Sinister Six film since they ruined TASM 2 with all that setup for a Sinister Six film.
And in the theatre Sony will say ha April fools... Then you realize that we were the punchline...
I'm reminded of when Sony was wishy washy as of the rating of the first Venom movie and if Spider-Man was to make an appearance.
Maybe that’s why they delayed the film from January to April because they wanted it to be distanced from No Way Home. To me it seemed a bit odd that they delayed it again when it could ride that momentum that NWH would give it.
And it wasn't just distancing from NWH but also using NWH momentum to build the hype of Uncharted when it released in February, which say what you want about that movie, but the results of that strategy really paid off nicely
Jared Leto had bad luck with Comic movies smfh. First Suicide Squad and the DCEU/Warner politics and now this.
If that’s actually true, not only I actually think that it's going to affect the film's financial performance, but it also further shows that Sony is STUPID.
Like John said, the thing that had people chatting about this film since the first trailer in 2020 have been all these references and connections to the MCU and Tom Hardy’s Venomverse. And cutting it all out is the strangest and dumbest move ever made, I doubt it’s set in the MCU as I feel if that were so, then the film would’ve had the Marvel Studios intro and logo in the trailers and posters!
We should play a drinking game on how many times they say "If true". I can't even listen to this anymore. We get it, we are talking hypothetically.
Classic Sony, they have a good run with a movie: into the Spider-verse, No way home, then they release a turd: BOTH VENOM movies and now this crap
That's because without mcu they are nothing. And they will never make more money unless they connect it to mcu. Nobody cares about no name villains
I thought both venom films were awesome!
Remember when jared Leto said “there’s a web of opportunities”
This would be the ultimate bait and switch
And this should be a sign for Sony to axe that Kraven movie rn…
Whether this is true or not we haven’t seen the film, this tells me that the rumour that Andrew Garfield would appear in it is completely false.
I believe a source claimed they filmed Spiderman references so they could try to convince Andrew afterwards
Same sources of this report and more, have claimed that there is nothing spider man related in the movie. Not even post credit.
Post Credit is a Vulture tease
@@infeliz2405 right, I've read that as well. I'm saying that they filmed them in the first place with the intention of talking Andrew into a cameo
@@Officialv5a please don’t be in this movie Andrew. If it’s awful just let them all sink.
@@jaimeruiz7837 yes Andrew deserves better. I rather he do another epic multiverse hangout with Tobey and Tom just talking to each other and swinging through NY then be in Morbius of all movies.
I don't think is because is a bad or mediocre movie, the MCU it's a testament of not so good movies adding up as just narrative scapegoats and fixing them on the run, i think they're not letting the Characters die, they probably just DON'T KNOW WHICH SPIDERMAN to tie it to yet, No Way Home opened a pandora box, Venom entered the MCU clearly referenced as another universe, and now is out but with a new one on the way? it's messy and now they just don't know if they're going to add this spiderverse to the MCU or using Andrew Garfield again
Sony's ability to excel in short term thinking is mind boggling. Zero vision. Sony executives thinks we're all idiots
No wonder why No way home was great. Feige, Watts and Pascal understood the character very well. Sony basically would have played it idioticly without any understanding. No wonder why Marvel and Sony had a rift, and Feige had to clean the mess.
@@avanishdutta2658 How did Feige, Watts, and Pascal understand Spider-Man well? Blame Avi Arad, not the company. Do you mean Disney and Sony had a rift where Disney is being sack of crap because of their greed and mediocre?
@@JohnnyTheGamer Nah they did understand the character given by what I’ve seen. They even understood Andrew’s Spider-Man character and made him make peace with the character and have a bunch of people love him. While Sony’s tasm2 made people hate him and made Andrew loose his love with the character
The worst part is that people will very much blame Jared Leto for some stupid reason, considering he's film twitter's punching bag.
Venom Let There Be Carnage was a disappointed movie from some people saying that Cornish should have been more presented as a bad guy instead of a poser like a skateboarder
Let’s be honest, the movie sucks and Sony knows it.
Explains the April 1st release though
Does anyone else just click on these to wait for Rob’s response to the topic?
Same
Sony needs connections to MCU very badly for their movies to work on the goodwill of MCU
If you're gonna go see a morbius film then shouldn't that be on the strength of the movie and not whether so other bull from other movies is shoehorned in.
I think there's a possibility that the covid shift of the MCU events eventually bumped into this, after all, America Chavez and other stuff were also cut from spiderman, It could simply be a matter of Marvel pushing back the timetable of the multiverse stuff and that effecting this film post-marketing. with this coming out before dr strange, it makes sense. I just think there is more going on here than we are considering.
But, we didn’t see America Chavez in any of the promotional materials. That’s the big difference between this and that. This is Sony switching it up and going back on what they advertised.
@@ParablePreacher right but I believe Morbius was originally slated to come out before spiderman, and the marketing started before it, plus who knows how well those changes may have been communicated between productions, all I'm saying is it's easy to jump to conclusions, why not just give them the benefit of the doubt and hope for the best.
@@ThompsonBrosStudios First off, Morbius was suppose to come out before Venom: Let There Be Carnage, not No Way Home. And second, why on earth will Sony end up changing the decision on removing in these references at the last second, if they were still campaigning and marketing them for like 2 years? And did you even saw last night's video about the Morbius premiere? They even made Jared Leto himself still say the "I am venom!" reference literally. And plus, none of us has even gotten a chance to even see the movie ourselves at all, and yet already there are reporters saying that they change them at the last second? They're only just saying it to temper high expectations.
I seriously don't know why John supports the Sony Marvelverse. It's really pointless and just a desperate attempt by Sony to copy the MCU. Kraven the Hunter and Madame Web movies?? Seriously? And they can't even use Spider-Man because Spider-Man is in the MCU 🤦
they can use spiderman....sony owns the character sir SMH
@@detroitalwayz3132 then why aren’t they doing it ?
They are so busy trying to figure out what universe is their movie in instead of just making a good movie.
If I remember correctly in the first trailer there was murderer written over the spiderman poster... and as you said the movie was delayed again and again.
I can't help but get the feeling that the Plan for Morbius was to be released bedore no way home narrarively for him being still blamed on Mysterios death...
What if most of the connective tissue was just nullified because no way home simply moved on?
I know... it doesn't explain Letos comment or the last Trailer, but as we know Studios aren't allways aware if the Marketing and actors often doesn't really know what is going Produktion wise at all.
My first thought was poor Leto.
I really like this dude and after he was screwed over by DC with that cut Joker part I really hoped he gets a better treatment over at Sony.
Lets hope he can Ryan Reynolds the Situation and find a perfect pic in the next years.
Because I really would like to see more of this without a doubt talented guy on the big comic screen.
SONY CAN NOT MAKE GOOD MOVIES OUTSIDE OF SPIDER-MAN
remember the amazing spiderman 2 with all the different story-lines they filmed and cutout? yeah me too
I STILL want to see THAT movie that the final trailer promised
*If true - a reason could be perhaps the need to reconfigure the universe/multiverse to accommodate maybe new Spiderman content either Maguire or Garfield that hasn't been announced yet? Just a thought...
Still don't know why anyone at any point would've given a single crap about this movie honestly. Like I hope all this stuff is true because I want Sony's subpar movies as far away from the MCU as possible. Expecting Sony to have a plan after their track record are care about quality is just setting yourself up for disappointment
maybe its a April fools joke
Anyone else just feel really bad for Leto?
He ruined the Joker so no
@@Chris-ey7zy He didn't.
@@geoffreylane5606 Yet, he's a cult leader and sexual predator.
Rob is right. I'm positive that's exactly what happened.
If this is true this would be the second time they screwed over Jared in portraying comic villains
I've always thought the Keaton / Spider-Man stuff is secondary to the main story. To me, it always felt like just a cameo. I am more concerned about the quality of the movie.
There is nothing worse then false advertisement ?
Imagine being John and HATING Hawkeye, but thinking Morbius looks good 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ericericson5633 Troll elsewhere, kid.
@@OrangeHand How is that a troll?
@@Alice-me2qk If you look at his other comments, it's quite apparent.
@@OrangeHand I wasn't asking about his other comments I was asking about your response to his MoS comment in this thread. If your response stems from other comments in this comment section that he's posted outside of the thread then you should've specified.
And your response to my very simple question was very low effort considering that you could've just explained to me why you though his comment was a troll. But instead you simply replied that his other unrelated comments would make his more relevant comment apparent, as if you'd expect me to sift through the comment section and draw my own conclusion about why you thought his MoS comment was a troll when you could've simply explained it to me yourself.
This movie gives me new mutant vibes. It'll prob be terrible when it comes out because it doesn't fall in line with anything, but 20 years from now when nobody cares somebody will find, and love it.
I doubt it will be anything close in quality to New Mutants. New Mutants looked interested from the jump.
This could backfire on Sony in a big way. No Way Home generated so much goodwill and created some real anticipation for Morbius. If they’ve cut the Marvel details it’ll cause bad word of mouth and will harm interest in future Sony Spider movies!
Exactly. Whether the movie is good or not, if Sony has to make any money out of it, they have to keep those Marvel details no matter what. Otherwise, even if the movie is not bad, they'll surely loose money anyway.
Before the pandemic happened, wasn’t Morbius supposed to be released in theatres BEFORE SpiderMan No Way Home? If it was, wouldn’t that hint that Morbius wasn’t going to be connected to SpiderMan in the first place?
Which just reinforces the fraudulent marketing from Sony
Then why does sony put up that spiderman murderer grafitty in the morbius trailer?
Even though I liked the film, every Spider-Man universe tie in from the trailers are gone and they even either changed dialogue or didn't even use certain lines. Like, why?
Wait haven’t you heard, morbius is the new marvel legend! I’ve only heard that about 8,657 times in the past month so it must be true right
And at the end of the trailers they say a new marvel legend 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's lame on Sonys part. I thought Venom, Morbius and Garfields Spidey being in the same universe made so much sense.
How?
So not only have there been reports that critics are heavily disappointed with the movie, but the actor who plays the villain of the movie said he doesn't even know anything about his character. And NOW we're getting reports that Morbius didn't just mislead us, but straight up lied to us in the trailers? Wow, this movie is looking like a real shitshow...
The decision to remove all the Spider-Man stuff from the movie seems like a move WB would make if they owned Spider-Man..
That Matt Smith interview did make me laugh; it was literally "dude I dunno WTF this movie is supposed to be about, I just turned up and read some lines"
Kind of a shame since it was apparently Karen Gillan who hyped him up to star in a Marvel movie, but evidently the production standards aren't quite the same between the MCU and SSU lol
Accurate, just saw it and a lot of clips aren’t in the film or are changed
Is anyone putting it past Sony to do this?
Who didnt see this coming? When they release a shit ton of SFX shots super early....that is exactly whats going to happen.
Curious to see how it performs in the box office. As a 90s venom kid I'm not excited for this Morbius.