Horage Autark “10 Years” Watch Review | aBlogtoWatch
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Horage Autark “10 Years” Watch Review | aBlogtoWatch
Ariel Adams of aBlogtoWatch reviews the Horage Autark “10 Years” watch, which as its name suggests, celebrates the Zurich-based watchmaker’s 10th anniversary. The case is 39mm wide (10mm thick, with a lug-to-lug distance of 48mm) and constructed of bead-blasted hardened titanium. Inside is Horage’s in-house K1 automatic movement which features a small seconds subdial, a 65-hour power reserve indicator, and a big-date complication at 3 o’clock in addition to being COSC chronometer certified. Over the dial is a flat anti-reflective sapphire crystal, and the bracelet employs a reliable push-button deployant clasp. This watch is limited to 99 pieces, and pricing is 3990 CHF.
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At this price point, you will not find many brands with full in house movements. This brand is doing very unique things and taking risks. This is a beautiful watch, not for everyone, but quality is superb.
Would love to know who buys these at 4k? Hopefully that finish looks a lot more interesting in person......
Horology fans that dive into the details and take the time to understand the developments we have made in movement and watch production are who buy our watches. This watch is not just about looks it is about feeling. No video can convey the way this watch feels on your wrist. You have to see them in person to truly appreciate the work and should you be in Switzerland you are welcome to visit us at our facility in Biel.
@@HORAGE I think this is a really beautiful watch! Admittedly it’s a bit expensive for me right now but I do think it’s a stunner
I think the dial is very distinctive, looks similar to the Patek finish on their perpetual calendar. Spartan and easy to read. I like it! A close up on the in-house movement would be nice too
JayeBird thanks for the kind comment. The movement details definitely need further elaboration. For the 10 Year we have our engineers signatures on the bridges to commemorate 10 years of our K1 movement. K1 is quite unique in that it is a modular movement with a silicon escapement. Modular means we can multiple complications without the need of a top module and this keeps the movement lower profile and more balanced with cased. You can read more on K1 here www.theplus.tech/movement or check our a youtube review from Watch Chronicler here ruclips.net/video/Bpc7gAHj-7U/видео.html. If you are ever in Switzerland feel free to stop by!
I like it, balanced, nice numerals and a really attractive and legible dial.
Thank you Chris. Very happy you are digging it. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions. 👍
Oddly the Jura Green doesn't seem to have been the subject of many reviews or videos anywhere at all. I share your reservations with this 10 year anniversary edition. The Jura Green for me offers all that missing distinctiveness in spades and would be the model to go for. I regret that for now this is out of my price range, but I could see the Jura Green as worthy of serious consideration for a truly interesting everyday watch if looking to spend somewhat north of 2k in the future.
Doesn't Horage also make a tourbillon - that'd be interesrting
Thanks for asking. The Tourbillon 1 is our latest watch with many different configurations to choose from. You can check the article on ABTW here www.ablogtowatch.com/horage-tourbillon-1-watch-to-be-most-affordable-swiss-made-of-its-type/.
It's a fine looking watch and at maybe 1500 dollars I'd be all over it . But I really struggle with watches like that even with a inhouse movement paying 3500 dollars . Orient, Seiko's have inhouse movements with watches way under 3500 dollars.
Thanks for the note and for addressing this topic. Many unique attributes at play here that make it impossible to arrive an apples to apples comparison. Seiko is a 2.2Billion dollar company and can drive movement development cost into the ground. Their watch production and watch finishing is simply addressing a different market segment than ours. As a Swiss premium movement manufacturer our positioning is not the entry level market, but rather for enthusiasts with an appreciation for the value we bring through an in-house Swiss Made movement and our in-house development and production team. The hard cost of our movement production alone exceeds the average retail price of a finished Seiko watch. Two completely different product segments and methodologies.
@@HORAGE you guy's make a really great looking watch and just talking from my financial point of view
@@markphillips2072 Thank you Mark. Watches can be an expensive hobby, and therefore a value find is what we aim to deliver to our enthusiasts. Let us know if you are ever in Switzerland we would be happy to have you visit us. Thanks again.
They need money to develop the movements, duh 🤣
@@Goldenbaba430 probably right but not my money 🤔
A good dispassionate review!
I must admit that hearing 'Horage' pronounced as in 'Porridge' knocked about $1000 off the price for me.
'A small version of a big date' seems
somewhat self-defeating.
Like having a monster hog but being 4 ft tall
What's the advantage of having two discs for the day numerals? After all, beyond 1-31 there aren't any other number variations possible. And this is not a perpetual calendar, is it?
I like the measurements, perfect size!
Many thanks Yusef. The feeling of this material really compliments the watch sizing. Very happy you like it and feel free to reach out should you have any questions. Thanks again!
Well, I am one of those horology fans who find this watch perfect: yes, I admit it, it has a lot of influence from Gerald Genta (Nautilus, Royal Oak, etc.) but I love it. I like its complications, that it has in house caliber, that it's in titanium, the size, etc.
I would only go for the regular Autark, not the anniversary one, because I like the bezel more, and, yes, it looks like the bezel of a 222, but I don't care.
Thank you Oscar. The bezels are quite different. What dial would you go for on the original Autark, carbon or rhodium? If you are ever in Switzerland feel free to stop by to meet with our team and see an Autark being assembled. Thanks again!
@@HORAGE Rhodium, it's my favorite, carbon its not, no it is not´:)
@@oscargustavoarcosruiz8793 The rhodium really compliments the titanium nicely and is perfect for those looking for a less contrasting look that the carbon presents. Thank you!
Not quite sure why, but this watch really appeals to me. Maybe it's the hardened Ti that would have me think it's an industrious watch that would take a fair bit of abuse, IDK. Definitely find it compelling. I'd never heard of Horage until I read your review that came out this past day. Thanks!
Wow! Thanks for discovering us and for the very kind feedback on Autark. If you have any questions at anytime feel free to reach out to us and if you are in Switzerland at some point we would be happy to welcome you at our watchmaking facility. Thank you!
When are you coming back doing your live shows Arial. Archie needs another henchman on his daily live shows you could join in on, that would be pretty speky
Anthony Napoli I miss those. Heck I’ll be happy with a weekly show.
Looks very interesting and the design is a nice blend of a vacheron 222 finished and hardened like a damasko. I quite like it and the movement seems superb but the price is quite high and it ends up competing with similar and perhaps better offerings from bigger brands. Also it seems odd to say “hand made” unless it’s something like a Philippe Dufour where the watch is indeed hand made, does this mean the case is hand made/Hand finished? It’s unclear. Also certificated is odd I don’t like that on the dial even if it is correct but old English. Even though “Swiss made” doesn’t mean much nowadays I still like to see it on the dial as long as it doesn’t replace some markers on the minute track so that would have been nice to see as well. For the price I absolutely believe that the watch should be free sprung and have bidirectional winding, the one way spinning is always annoying and hopefully this rotor isn’t like the rotor in the 7750. Also is it just me or is the rotor odd, I really dislike all of the languages on it but I do like the signature from the watchmaker. Separate thing, I’ve seen the comments from the company on here and on the article from ABTW and they always seem passive aggressive or just not professional when responding to comments and I think that will hurt them considering the people they respond to are probably the only ones who see and would consider buying their products.
@Jay Rothman Thanks for the comment and I take the chance to provide some additional info on this watch. Indeed the Vacheron is a nice reference to the Autark when looking at it from the front especially when taking the slotted grad 2 titanium version as reference. From the side view the Autark comes in different due to the layering and play with transition of surfaces in between the upper and the lower part of the case. Can best be seen live when you hold it in your hands and sadly the review did not show many of these details which makes this watch stand out. When it comes to hardening, we use an oxygen infusion hardening process with specific after finish procedure to create this velvety touch. This only works with Titanium grad 5 material. As far as I know Damasko is using an oil based hardening process on stainless steel.
We have been using the term hand-made since the beginning. We did it on the one hand with a twinkle to make people think about the Swiss Made label and what it stands for and on the other hand to remind people that most of the things in a watch are indeed made and operated with hands. www.horage.info/forum/k-tou-english/is-horage-swiss-made I don't know Mr Dufour in person, but he is a very respected person in our industry and he also use a lot of equipment and machinery to make his watches. I only know very few case suppliers who are capable of machine-finish a case, because most of them lack the robotic know how to do so. Case making comes always with lots of hand labor to get the best out of it. The Autark case must be very well finished before treatment and piece by piece loaded into the treatment oven. Afterwards it must be sanded with a specific grain structure to be able to get this look. It took a long time to figure this process out and stabilize production, because treating 1200 HV surfaces is not an easy thing. This "tumbling" is done in a specific machine in which each part must be held in place to avoid touching. Doing this free-handed would produce irregular finish and a low quality look.
When it comes to the rotor winding system we went for an uni-directional system. Why? All of our engineering team has spent a fair amount of time servicing ETA based watches in stores and at companies here in Switzerland. The rectifier ratchet system to wind both directions is among the parts which need most service. It is a complicated system with a lot of tiny parts exposed to a lot of stress back and forth. When we designed K1 from the ground up we decided to build a movement which is as durable as possible causing as few trouble in service as possible. The only way to do so is by reducing parts whenever we can and one such part is the bi-directional ratchet. Additionally we also knew from lab-testing and the design structure of most bi-directional systems that they have a larger dead angle to engage into the ratchet when reversing the winding direction. Especially people who move less do not get any better winding performance due to late engagement into the winding mechanism itself, because to the dead angle problem is happening both ways. A well laid out uni-directional system is achieving exceptional winding performance while being less service intensive and this is what we focused on. We are very happy with this design, because it is durable and since we have a much smaller rotor compared to 7750, I would say there is no strange feeling of a heavy free-rotating rotor... I assume this was where your concerns were going towards? It was a very "engineering-playing-it-safe-decision" to go for uni-directional, because making an own movement from scratch is challenging enough and if we could learn from existing systems we decided to do so to simplify our design whenever possible.
You mentioned that we reply in passive aggressive way and that the people who comment here are potentially the only ones who would think of buying our products. It seems that some people are "baffled" when they get a direct reply from someone how is in fact involved in the making of a product and they seem even more surprised when I ask for some sort of decency and well thought through criticism instead of sloppy, superficial and offending comments. This style should be reserved for trolls and I wish ABTW should not become a heaven for "watch trolls", because it would turn readers who have a true interest away. I think there is good comparison out there with other platforms and their communities. The internet has become a rude place and I think sometimes it is necessary to speak out and also defend an own position, sadly as a brand one gets quickly labeled as non professional... is it really not professional to be honest and show also the personal feelings of people behind a brand? Not sure... But I agree that sometimes perhaps I test the limit too much and if so I apologize for that... thanks for reminding me on that with your comment and I will be careful with that.
Many in the ABTW community see themselves as outspoken watch experts and from them we can also expect well thought through commenting instead of aggressive superficial troll like criticism, especially when these comments have not much to do with how well something is made and are rather a simplified mirror of personal taste.
There are a lot of people who love our level of detailing, our watches and they believe we deliver good value for the money. These are the ones we search for and if we find them in ABTW remains to be seen.
Thanks for your constructive comment
Andi
I agree that Horage is a bit sensitive about comments made about their watches.
Name alone shakes the balls😁
Shake and bake dial
What is the history of this brand? It's pretty unheard of for such a new brand coming out with their own movements and being so unknown? That's very commendable when so many mainstays of Swiss luxury are too lazy to move away from ETA/Sellita.
Thank you for taking notice George. We have been in the watch supplier industry for over 20 years now and introduced our brand HORAGE in 2009 at BaselWorld, unfortunately not the best time to bring a new brand to market. Early on we realized we would be limited in our ability to obtain ETA movements therefore we set out to develop our own in-house movement K1. When we took on K1 we placed HORAGE on ice and in 2015 relaunched the brand with the first two models of Autark introduced at that time. The Autark 10 Year piece celebrates 10 Years of K1 development and with K1 now a proven and stable movement we are working on K2, a micro-rotor movement. K2 is already quite far down the development road and we hope to have the first samples of that movement out later this year. Today our engineers, watchmakers and supply team are located at our sister company THE+ www.theplus.tech/theplus which is a short 300 meter walk from our HORAGE home base in Biel Switzerland. If you have any questions, feel free to reach out anytime or stop by our facilities in Biel to meet us and see our watch production first hand. Thanks again.
Are your gold tourbillon cases solid 18k yellow gold?
Will you expand the options on these case materials for the tourbillon; White, rose golds and or platinum?
@@Goldenbaba430 Apologies for the delay. Our gold cases are solid 18K gold.
@@Goldenbaba430 We offer 904L stainiless steel polished or brushed and 18K solid gold. The two options are configurable here on our site. www.horage.info/k-tou-001. I should also mention that our gold is hallmarked.
During this time of #metoo this branding is indeed quite inappropriate. I'm all for a little locker room talk but come on, horage? A bit gauche don't you think? I understand that this industry treats it's patrons like dirt sometimes, but I'm no prostitute.
Looks disposable
Looks a TJ Maxx watch that doesn't even make the glass case
@goldenbaba hmmm... I thought napkins are disposables and I have heard about disposable cameras. A more elaborate comment would do all of us here good 🙏
Dear @@nightstalker824 a quick google search on night stalker returns Richard Ramirez as the top hit. Congrats! Why would anyone take you seriously. 🤣😂😜
@@andifelsl wow. That comment was stupid. That's all I got to say. We done here.
night stalker seems we are both good at stupid comments 😉