Heavy Duty Floating Shelf DIY | The Hovr Bracket System
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2020
- In this video, we do a full installation of the Hovr Bracket System. Taking a piece of wood we purchased and turning it into a beautiful floating shelf that can hold up to 300lbs.
The Hovr Bracket System is the new industry standard for floating shelf hardware.
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Hey Todd,
I just finished installing some floating shelves using your brackets. I feel like there's a few things that folks should know about your brackets and perhaps an opportunity for you to improve the odds for a successful install.
#1) your instructions call for a hole to be drilled in the bracket that is mounted inside the shelf itself so that a set setscrew can be put through from the bottom to lock the shelf in place. This hole needs to be threaded in order to install the set screw. That would require that the installer have a tap and die set. Luckily, I did. However, I wouldn't be surprised if many DIYers don't. (I might also mention that your instructions could be clearer on this, to include the drill size needed so that you can tap out the hole) Why not just drill and tap a few spaced holes for them? It wouldn't be that hard to then drill a matching hole in the bottom of the wood so that the set screw can actually be used.
#2) and this one frustrated me a great deal... Let's be fair though, the wall I was installing the shelves to, like many walls, was uneven. Couple this with the fact that you state it's okay to use a bracket that is at least 1/2 the length of the shelf. I was installing 4' shelves using your 2' brackets. That leaves a descent amount of shelf that extends beyond the end of the bracket. I specifically did not over tighten the brackets and there was still absolutely no way those shelf brackets were going to catch the wall brackets, as the wall actually had a cup to it. Even after placing a single washer behind the bracket, I still couldn't get it to catch. I ended up placing TWO nickel sized washers behind the brackets at each stud. This worked, but it sure as Hell was not as simple as your videos. You make no mention of possibly needing spacers behind the wall brackets for some walls.
Now, before you go and say, "Holy cow, Gary, how dang crooked were these walls?", let me just say it was a very nice house and with a very typical "NOT FLAT" wall. You need to mention this and come yp with a solution. My recommendation: some sticky spacers that can be applied to the back of the wall bracket should they become necessary with some clear instructions on how they can be used and maybe even a video showing the process. What I can tell you for certain, and I hope anyone thinking of using your brackets, read this, those brackets NEVER would have worked without the washers.
Would I use your brackets again? Yes. Still a great product but clean up the issues for the DIYers out there. Thanks, Gary
Hi Gary, sorry to hear you hit some snags. It seems like maybe you used only this video as the guide for your install? We actually have a ton of resources on a lot of this stuff on our online Knowledge Base - including an article on bowed walls that you can view here:
hovr.helpjuice.com/360009360412-Installing-the-Male-Bracket-to-the-Wall/uneven---bowed-walls?from_search=82967493
This video is just one resource for our customers to help with their projects but we have an entire network of info for those who need it!
Hope that helps for future projects if you decide to use our system again in future!
For those who find cutting an inside dado like this intimidating, I've found starting by lowering the blade to half this height or less far less problematic. Combined with a sharp blade set, holding the shelf tight to your chest while lowering it reduces the potential for kickback issues. As with anything woodworking-take your time.
Thanks for sharing your own insight and experiences! :)
Very thorough and professional! Thanks!
Man, you came up with an incredibly strong floating shelf solution. Loving the hover for our kitchen shelves. Thanks for making these :)
Love to hear it! Thanks for the feedback and kind words. If you ever want to share some install pics, we love to feature installs by our customers across our channels :)
greet! i like it
Great video and very informative. As a finishing carpenter with over 24 years hands on, this shelving system is much needed! I've noticed a few comments regarding the use of the table saw.....this is perfectly safe when being done by a competent carpenter. Well done! I have a job coming up for a pantry unit requiring floating shelves. I tried talking the clients into using MDF with a finished paint because I know full well the types of floating shelf hardware typically available would not suffice for their needs. After finding this?!? Definitely going to purchase a few sets and proceed to use solid wood material! Thanks:)
Thanks for sharing Jordan! Feedback always appreciated!
Neat. Thanks
If only Hovr sell it's own system with different length shelves available. This is really the best system so far ive seen
Thank you! You can always check out our list of authorized distributors here: hovrsolutions.com/pages/distributors
Many of these distributors can sell you a Hovr Bracket pre-installed into a shelf!
@@hovrstrongsolutionsinc.3490 this link is dead. Where can I buy premade shelves that will work with your bracket?
@@jeffborkowski Could be your location or maybe clearing your browser cache may help - just checked and it's still functioning on our end. That said, if you are outside Canada, we don't currently have any authorized distributors outside our borders. You could try a local woodworker near you, or you could also order from somewhere like www.starkbuiltdifferent.com - They specifically make shelves for our system and I know they ship to many places outside Canada.
I don't see why you can't just buy enough to fit your needs and cut the track to the desired length. Seems like that would work just fine for you.
Why use a dadocut and not just router out the channel? Would seem to be safer to rout out channel that doing that type of cut.
A lot of people choose to router out the channel instead, too. It's up to personal preference and whatever you feel comfortable with. Safety first!
@@hovrstrongsolutionsinc.3490 Dado cutters are illegal in Europe
@@TAEDSReadingUni…and dropping a slab onto a dado will have Interpol knocking on your door if it doesn’t kill you 😂
You might want to keep in mind that this method might be okay for short lengths of live edge that you had in your video. For longer lengths, such as the one I am about to make, it is white birch 64" long and 2 3/8" thick, and heavy. I don't see this method will be easy to do in my situation. I think I will have to look at either using a hand router or use my timber frame chisels to clean out the back. Also, if your shelf face isn't perfectly flat you risk having the recess being uneven as you run it along the fence. JMO
Great instructional video none the less. My four foot HOVR bracket should be in today.
French cleat, in metal.
That's what I thought as well 😁. Considering how strong and versatile french cleats are, I was immediately interested in this product.
I laughed my butt off at the disclaimer... I don't blame you guys 1 bit for having it..... but its honestly a shame that you have to put it there.
Better remind & warn people "Coffee is hot" while were at it? 🤣
Anyways, that aside, very good demonstration. I appreciate it.
Excellent video with great detail. Then I went to the website to find that four feet of this aluminum is 79 bucks. Way too expensive given the complexity of the process
Hey Phillip, the price tag may seem steep at first but it's a premium, ultra-strong product, and it's worth noting that you don't need to use the bracket at a 1:1 length ratio with the shelf - you can cut it down and use it at a 2/3, or even 1/2 bracket-to-shelf-ratio in many cases. Not sure if that affects your thoughts here or not, but thought we'd share in case you were interested! Either way, thanks for checking us out!
Considering the cheapest heavy duty float shelf hardware out there is @ $100 for a 43" length and only holds "200lbs".....this is a much cheaper alternative. You can find cheaper hardware, but the materials used and the weights supported don't even come close to a comparison. You get what you pay for....and from my extensive experience this product is dollar for dollar the best. Added the that, it is far more versatile with different shelving aspects. You don't have to custom build a shelf to meet the individual hardware application. You simply have to gain it appropriately, which is the bare minimum you have to do with other systems anyway. I have well over two decades of hands on experience in the field and don't represent this company in any way. This is just an honest, educated opinion.
This seems like wildly unsafe tablesaw practice tbh....
Todd did his project in a way that worked for him, but Alex at Backyard Resin built a Jig in this video here if you find that preferable ruclips.net/video/UrzSGqgc-Q8/видео.html
I use a technique with a router plung and a jig. It ls very safe but a Little more preparation the first Time to make the jig. After that it is a piece of cake!
you can see where he gets a small kick back at the end of that 1st cut, but then the video skips to the next segment. plunge cutting a dado on a sketchy looking saw like that is asking for trouble.
I agree Patrick.
@@soposupAgree. Just plunge cutting on a table saw feels sketchy. Add a dado blade and there’s no friggin way I’m trying that.
How is the holding strength calculated for longer shelves? For example, if I pieced 2 47-inch tracks together, would the entire shelf hold 300 pounds or would the capacity increase with the integration of more studs?
Hi Andrew, more studs is always going to give you a stronger hold - we say 2 minimum for the shelf in general, but obviously as you go longer you are going to want to hit as many studs as you can for the best hold/strength. That said, we are not saying to go above 300lbs because of more studs - weight distribution is a big factor, so adding more studs is going to give you the capacity to hit that 300lbs on a longer shelf rather than add further weight capacity - an 8 foot shelf in only 2 studs is obviously going to be very susceptible to how it's loaded and where, whereas more studs will give you a much more stable install. Either way, you want to be reasonable about how you load the shelf up - you certainly don't want to be loading the entire 300lbs on one side of the shelf for example. Hope that answers your question!
Will these work inside the ikea floating shelves? I have a million of them but there is at least a couple I need a stronger bracket for.
Generally no, Ikea tends to make its shelves out of MDF rather than more solid material, not to mention that they often have different backings on the shelves than what you would want for our system. You can learn more about this in our help centre here: hovr.helpjuice.com/360009468171-Shelf-Materials/can-i-use-a-commercial,-pre-made-(ex-ikea)-shelf?from_search=79728063
I’m planning to mount a shelf up high in a 2 story living to support an old cafe racer. Do you believe your system, and front side chains to the wall/ceiling will hold 350-360lbs?
We can't recommend or guarantee an install like that unfortunately. You may want to check out our custom steel bracket here though:
hovr.helpjuice.com/360009468031-Choosing-the-Right-Bracket-for-You/360051319652-The-Steel-Bracket-Frequently-Asked-Questions?from_search=92975490
Could you attach an undermount range hood to this floating shelf?
You would probably want to use our custom steel bracket for a project like this if the hood was heavy. Better to play it safe, particularly above a cooking surface. You can learn about it here: hovr.helpjuice.com/360009468031-Choosing-the-Right-Bracket-for-You/360051319652-The-Steel-Bracket-Frequently-Asked-Questions?from_search=103641126
7:27 Is there a reason you cut that channel in the wood so wide? It seems like there's 3/16" of play or more in there.
The top and bottom are not important in bearing any load, they are purely for concealing the bracket. So a little extra wiggle room doesn't hurt here, but you're correct in that you could go tighter if you wanted to here.
you guys need to add links to the screws and drill example for dummies like me
Here you go! Everything you need hardware wise is listed on this page :)
hovrsolutions.com/collections/accessories
Can it be used to install board vertically on wall?
Hi David. Good question. That's certainly not the standard application but let me look into it and get back to you!
You should be able to do so as long as you use glue and set screws to secure the brackets together (otherwise they would simply fall away from each other since they are typically designed to be installed horizontally). Not sure what your actual project intentions and plan are though! Always happy to discuss further.
@@hovrstrongsolutionsinc.3490 thank you! I’m trying to fill in the gap with trim boards placing them between my garage wall and the back of my floor standing cabinets. I can’t place the cabinets flush against the wall because of the cinder block foundation base which sticks out at bottom all around my garage perimeter.
Whats the max recommeded depth for the shelf?
Max recommended for full strength is 8-10" - once you go past there, you start to incrementally lose strength from the full advertised capacity as you move further and further out and the leverage increases. You can do deeper shelves but you definitely want to reduce weight accordingly, keep it towards the back of the shelf, and make sure it's well distributed when you start getting into very deep shelves.
How are you ensuring the shelf is 90 degrees? If your wall tilts in a degree or two, how does your product adjust for that?
This is not an issue we have seen be significant enough to cause problems in any install, but in this case you could likely just fasten slightly tighter on the top side than the bottom to compensate when mounting into the studs.
I would use a tapered, solid wood shim that runs full length of the bracket. Any finishing carpenter should be able to accommodate for flaws in existing materials to create and install a perfect product that is both structurally sound and aesthetically pleasing.
Do you drill pilot holes when installing the bracket inside the shelf?
The bracket should come with predrilled holes
@@hovrstrongsolutionsinc.3490 what about in the shelf itself to avoid splitting?
@@dannythed We don't supply the shelf, only the bracket. But since our system requires 2" thick shelf material, that would not be a common issue
Who do I reach out for a question about making cast in place floating concrete hearth? I have an idea & want to make sure I'm on the right track
You'll want to post your question in detail here:
hovr.helpjuice.com/contact-us
I had a really hard time because I didn’t receive a tapered tapping bit.
Hi there! Sorry to hear you ran into some trouble there. We don't include the tap bit in standard orders because repeat buyers don't want to pay for another tap bit every time they re-order, so it is sold separately in our Installation Bit Pack.
@@hovrstrongsolutionsinc.3490 It might be worth having a pop-up or a suggestion saying "is this your first time? Make sure you buy the installation bit pack!"
@@shalimarlake7852 Thanks for the feedback! We'll look into it.
For the price of those brackets....you should include the correct screws to mount them!
Hi there - we do indeed include all the screws to do so.
I gotta know why you got 50 sawstop cartridges hanging on the wall?!? $$$
for the style points of course ;)
great product, but useless for thin shelves. have some simple mitered 3/4" units, so no luck using these.
We recently released a new product that is 1.125" thick for thinner shelves but unfortunately you will need to find other options for 3/4" material.
My male bracket is snug tot he wall. There is no bowing but the shelf dips down in front about 5º - 10º. Really disappointed in the build. Also I might add that anyone drilling the aluminum WEAR SAFETY GOOGLES. I am surprised that the demo did not advise and example this. Those little tiny metal fibers in your eye will do some real damage
Hi Danny, thanks for the feedback - usually when there is a bit of uneveness like this, it tends to be one of these things causing it:
hovr.helpjuice.com/360009360432-Combining-the-Male-and-Female-Brackets/how-to-fix---avoid-a-wiggly-shelf?from_search=79363538
Also, yes, always absolutely wear safety goggles in general for projects. This one goes without saying, but the feedback is valued.
Maybe a strong shelf, but Jesus what pain in the ass to install
Gotta work for that strength! All those "easy to install" systems end up costing you down the line when you have to replace them / fix your walls.
if you want it to last you only install it right once.
It's frankly the same amount of work as building a nice french cleat in the back of a floating shelf or box, but way stronger. Not sure how this is more of a pain.
Dangerous practice. Leaning over the blade? No. Do not do this.
Additionally, a fence extension (height) is recommended.