Tell ya all a little trick i learned back in the early 80s . Its got me out of a bind 6 , 8 times ! We were in a 2 wd chevy with a straight 6 . Goin up hills we shouldnt begoin up . Open diff . Soooo while the one side is turning . Slowly click yr E brake down a click or 2 . The side spinning now builds heat from friction and locks up . Bam ! The other side kicks in . Off ya go ! Yeeehaw ! Figured that out at 17 years old up n the mountains . Long wait fr help lol ! Few other tricks on my channel !
@@adamsorell4851 the one side is not turning . Thers no heat . So the side not turning turns way easier right away . Got me unstuck several times . In this truck . It worked n my 77 t bird . It worked n my 74 ltd . It you dont understand friction heat , no its not gonna make sny since ! Worked every time ive tried , EVERY TIME !
Uhhh....yep...... I’m 56, have owned four wheel drive trucks for over 25 hrs. Done LOTS of off-roading. Upgrade #1. Tires. Upgrade #2 tires..... great video. My best to all
As it was explained to us older guys: open differentials on a truck was like tying the horses to the back of the wagon...they're still hooked up, you're just not going anywhere. Only thing more useless than a 2wd truck with only one wheel pulling is a 4wd with only 2 wheels pulling ...
Simple Bullet proof solution...check out Lock Rite mechanical locker. About an hour to install, no messing with backlash or shims or dial indicators or special additives, can be put back to stock if preferred...They are used in situations that require dependability like milatary and rescue! Only con is they can be a bit noisy sometimes (ratcheting sound) around a turn. They can only be used in a open differential as you have!
@@GettysGarage id suggest getting an LSD or a selectable locker unless you spend more time off than om road. I have a powertrax lock right locker in my dodge 2500 and it still works great after 70kmiles on 37s but your turning radius is basically gonna double and you're gonna burn threw back tires pretty fast, mud tires go from new to slicks in like 10k miles.
@@Si0nbarzahd Honestly, the only time I'm actually off-road to film videos lol but I do live in Canada so there is snow on the road for like 4 months. so it would be nice to have some kind of locker. Ideally I'm looking at getting an Eaton true trak torson diff. Not officially a locker but acts pretty darn close to one. technically It is an LSD but as long both wheels are on the ground power will be transferred to both wheels. and apparently the drivability of those units is amazing.
This is why I bought a Power Wagon years ago. Front and Rear Lockers, plus a winch. Sounds like overkill----until you need it. I walked 6 miles out of the bush exactly once to make me decide I needed a PW.
the Power Wagon is the dream! I do which is had the option of the cummins though. apparently it's too heavy and that's why they couldn't put it in the PW
This was what I was looking for after seeing the Duratrac snow review. I wasn't sure if you had lockers or not seeing wheels spinning and others not. I just got rid of a '99 Tahoe and drove through snow over the bumper and never got stuck, but it did have an auto locking rear. Just got an 18 silverado z71 and can't wait for snow...after I get rid of the factory original tires.
@@dmoney6633 traction control is for the highway or around town NOT ironically in poor traction conditions. I was "stuck " in my driveway in 3" of wet snow, shut off traction control and idled out.
@@dmoney6633 in my 2013 ram 4x4, turning off traction control only disables 30% of the stability control software. I have remote wired the fuse for that circuit with a switch in series. This allows me to shut it off 100%,, the computer has a fit, but it throws 30ft rooster tails off all 4!
Great video as always. I like learning and you've taught me the workings of a open and locked diff. I guess it all comes down to cost to manufacturer so they opt out of locking diffs from factory. Mud adds personality so I like it. Thanks for the video, keep up the great work, cheers
yes for sure they are more expensive and for most people they will never even need a locker so it makes sense why a lot of trucks just come with open differentials. thank you for the kind words!
@@GettysGarage back in the late 60s early 70s most stuff came with a posi in the rear . The general public couldnt handle it ! All kinds a ppl rolled ther vehicles . You get on a good incline , ( ben ther , every body in the vehicle says your goin wher ? We ll walk ! ) That posi in the rear got to many ppl in trouble . Throttle it n ther ass end swung down hill ! Thats why they drifted away from posi mid 70s . I got lucky my 77 3/4 ton chevy came with factory posi up front . Trucks a beast ! 6 inch lift 35/12.50s Truck hunts hard !
Next time u go turn ur traction control off n ur ecs by holding ur traction system button ... Then try this trail again .. I bet you will get BETTER result's
@@alanjoseph986 You probably have a Limited slip rear end my friend! However it would work like this traction control on or off. If you don't believe me go under your truck and take a look at your rear differential and try and find the traction control wiring. You won't find any. So when you are turning electrical traction controls on and off it has zero bearing on what the differentials are going to do, or where they are going to send the power. the ESC which is usually the bigger issue has control over the Transfer case. the only thing is can do is hinder power going the front diff. So yes if you are stuck turn that baby off. but if you have open differentials your only going to have power going to 2 wheels for most situations.
I have open diffs on my Base 2.7 Bronco and even though I have plenty of experience, it often gets stuck offroad. Ive already placed my order for a Badlands with lockers specifically because of how frustrating it is.
If you applied rear brake half way' that would act as "brake locking differential" and rear axle would push you forward. Old trick. Again' having a proper locker is a way to go.
Hey Alex, really enjoying your videos. I've just recently picked up a 2016 Dodge ram 1500 outdoorsman and your site is really teaching me alot especially when it comes to using 4wd so thanks for that. Are you still in the Cowichan valley by chance?
You’re confusing the hell out of me man. One video says this, another says that. Truck is good off road, truck sucks off road. I want to get a dodge but after watching your videos you are making me seriously reconsider. Which you know, is good. But holy hell man.
My 2011 ram 1500 ST hemi 5 speed locks in both soon as one starts spinning. Do a brake tourc and it smokes both back tires everytime. my buddy has a 2012 same truck and he is one wheel peel all the time and he hates it. guess mine has a factory locker. for the guys with a ram u need to hold the traction control button for about 6 or 8 seconds while in 4high it will turn off track control completely and then its a different animal.
so the 4th gen RAM 1500 (09-19) didn't have a factory locker option. Shocking but true. you most likely has a rear LSD. As for the front end, every single factory front diff for those truck is an open differential. BUT you are 100% correct turning your ESC system off makes the truck much much more capable. something I have only learned recently lol
Thanks sir that's such an amazing video. However I am wondering if it stated in your buldsheet something about ( anti-spin rear differential) which my 2019 big horn classic has and I never tried it. some people say it will work as if its lsd ( i am not sure about this lool) but yeah Would love to know if your truck equipped with the anti-spin rear differential or not. Thank
my truck does not have an anti-spin. an anti-spin is rams fancy name for a limited slip differential. there is nothing to try either, it's automatic and happens right in the differential. basically when one wheel starts to spin torque is forced to the high traction wheel. trying to force both wheel to spin at the same time. makes a big difference off-road and in the snow
Will you please do the same exact test but lock your e brake on the e brake will let the diff send power to that other tire have you heard of this please try . But yes do the first test you just did but LOCK EMERGENCY BRAKE PLEASE ;) been doing this while stuck for years man.. not yelling just trying to see if it works for you too ?
You can also hit the brakes in the second test in 4x4 try hitting brakes and gas at the same time intermittently and it will lock that other wheel for you been doing this for years also
This is pretty much how Toyota stuck control works your just doing it manually with your foot been off road driving since I was 7 years old been stuck way more time than idd like to mention
My Fords and Toyotas used the brakes to stop the free spinning wheel and activate the other wheel like a simulated limited slip. My 19 Ranger would lay 11s with an open diff.
see now that's what I would expect from all traction control systems. but it just doesn't seem to work that way with a lot of vehicles. it's almost like the system is more concerned about keeping the vehicle from spinning out rather then helping the vehicle get un-stuck.
@@GettysGarage My Toyota has basically 3 different traction control systems that do different things. "Traction control" basically just limits engine power when it detects slip while accelerating. "A-trac"(same as auto-lsd in 2wd) is like offroad traction control that applies the brakes to give the other wheel more power. "VSC" helps correct skids when it detects the vehicle is sliding sideways. I believe most vehicles are equiped with regular traction control that cuts power, especially older ones. I have noticed newer vehicles, even crossovers have started adopting their own versions of A-trac and vsc
@@845ToastT It makes total sense. with all the technology already on vehicles today it is probably much cheaper for the manufacture to develop software like something similar to A-trac then to actually put a LSD or locker in a truck and still be able to sell the vehicle as an off-road vehicle.
You have brake locking differentials. You need to continue spinning the wheel at a gradually faster rate, and it will cause the torque to go to the wheel with traction. If you let off of the gas too soon, it won’t kick in. Here’s an example of how it works. ruclips.net/video/kcl-BMILrig/видео.html
absolutely true, its not the make of truck that is the issue, it's driveline set-up that's the issue. If my truck has a rear locker it would be much better off-road.
My 13 it brakes the spinning wheel even in 2wd, but not that aggresives it takes about 2 sec before it brake it, in 4wd it brakes the spinning wheel slightly more agressive than 2wd
interesting! traction control is supposed to help but it never seems to brake the spinning wheel hard enough to force power to the other wheel. I'll looking into that thought! thanks for the info
After having a ram 1500 for three years I got rid of it for a 1 ton diesel a ram 1500 is basically a car with a pick up truck bed on the back they are not heavy duty they are not meant for work and if he work him hard they’re going to fall apart the only thing good about it is the engine is pretty good the hemi if you keep the engine oil really clean otherwise what about 90 K miles that engines gonna blow up because the cam phasers are screwed up because of dirty oil and then you’ll pay $5000
I believe the 5 gen RAM trucks now come late to the party with a e locking differential like the Ford trucks since 2011 but GM been equipped with auto mechanical lockers since the late 70s early 80s in which you can get em factory with the truck doesn't have to be a z71 or fx4..... You can get a locker on a 2wd Ford and GM truck. Toyota is the lone manufacturer without a locker in a full sizer.
Yes I believe you are correct the 5th gen Ram's have a true locker option. I've driven a ford with an e-locker in the snow and it is pretty awesome! My first truck was a 96 k1500 GMC with the G80 locking rear end and it was wicked in the snow. when I bought this truck it was kind of disappointing knowing my 25 year old truck was more capable lol but it is what it is. And shame on Toyota lol pay an arm and a leg for those things, least they could do is put a locker in them.
I really appreciate your passion and effort about doing the best with the given resource. I have an almost identical one like yours. 2014 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi, Express quad cab. But mine has 45 transfer case (I didn't know the part name but it doesn't have the 4WD Auto) So I was really enjoying your trial and error videos the whole series testing 4WD modes. I live in Korea, and there is only little bit of information or mechanics dealing with American pickups. Jeeps are popular though. I'll be looking forward to seeing your next videos and hope you keep the truck a while. BTW, how did it go with the Eaton locker? You ordered it right? I'm thinking to get one too if yours work. Since I bought the truck when I didn't have knowledge about pickups and 4WD, I still don't know its axle ratio. Sucks... I guess it'd be normal 3.21 open diff but the VIN decoder websites give mixed information.
Brake lock differentials (BLD) didnt engage? Did you have traction control on? Jeeps and Rams have traction control brake lock diff, kind of like a Ram version of Toyota Atrac. Had a Toyota with Atrac and open diffs and never had a problem even in ditches with only 2 wheel traction. Can't comment on the Ram because I opted to get a LSD rear in my 1500.
my traction was actually left on. I wanted to let the truck do all the work and see what happens (well i knew what was going to happen). I've never really had faith in traction control actually working when you are really pinned up. which is too bad because if you could somehow fully brake those spinning wheels torque would be force those the wheels with all the traction. obviously that's the goal of traction control but it never seems to work that way for whatever reason. i'll lock deeper into the BLD because this is the first time i've heard that term to be honest. might also check out the Atrac system. Thanks for the info!
@@GettysGarage Not trying to be a Toyota fan boy because I'm really not, but ATRAC system has blown me away. I was in the camp of thinking I definetly needed lockers or a LSD, but ATRAC does 90% of what a locker does, and saves me a ton of time by not having to engage, then disengage the diff lock manually. If you get a chance youtube up some vids, or demo it out on someones Toyota, and I know for sure you'll be blown away by it. I own a 2012 Power wagon, and also a Tacoma, and can say for sure Atrac holds its own weight. Got rid of my 17 Ram 1500 for the Tacoma. Sure its smaller but it hasn't disappointed.
Hey man I was curious to see if you wanted to collaborate and maybe compare our trucks! I have a 19 Ram 1500 with the same transfer case as you but in the 5th gen. Maybe to just compare the 4th and 5th gen to see if there are any differences or updates with the 4x4 system?? Just me know! I think it would be great content!
Don’t know how you keep getting that stuck. I have a 2014 dodge ram 1500 with a 6 inch lift 20 inch rims with 35 inch tires I take my traction controller off I haven’t gotten stuck yet I go mudding and climbing all the time.
It wasn't really stuck. if you want the video again you can see my brake lights are on. I was just trying to simulate a stuck situation and why an open differential isn't the best in those situations. but in the snow I was 100% actually stuck. a lift would make a big difference in the snow!
I hate that in this day and age, most cars still dont come with lsd. I mean i have a bmw turbo and still ope diff. It should be as standard as air bags for cars to have proper traction control in all situations.
Could not agree more. at least for RAM the factory option to add an LSD is like a few hundred dollars. Mine truck was already on the lot. But why couldn't RAM just make it a standard option and advertise it saying their truck are more capable off-road. seems like a win-win
Excellent explanation. My ram 1500 has a LS. do you know if in 4wd the LS applies to both front and back or just rear? I was thinking my LS would take care of the back and I might get lockers on the front... Thoughts? Great vids, keep them coming! 18 Ram 1500 4*4, 5.7.
Limited slip is only going to cover the rear. Now even with limited slip you will still run into the same problem. Youll still have slip or one tire spinning in some situations. A locker in the rear or the front will help a ton! Even with an open diff up front or in the rear having at least one selectable locker will get you out of most situations.
yes the factory LSD is in the rear and the front diff only came as an open differential. now as Jeepscarsandguns said, even with a LSD the same thing would most likely happen. but obviously you'll have much more success with a LSD but may still run into the same problems. A locker is going to make sure both wheels on a certain axle have a 50/50 power split at all times. and thank you for the kind words!
If I was actually stuck then yes turning both your traction control and ESC off would help greatly. but as for my little tests, No. Traction control on or off can't fix the mechanical limitation of open differentials. theoretically, traction control ON would be more beneficial for an open differential. because as the wheel with less friction is spinning and not pulling you out while the stationary wheel has all the traction and friction is not spinning. so what traction control "attempts" to do is apply brake pressure to the spinning wheel and making it harder to turn and force power to the wheel with all the traction. But, it seems in the real world when stuck it doesn't help much. hope that makes sense!
Thank you happy you liked them. Sadly no. the 4WD LOCK means your transfer case is locked. meaning that both front and rear differentials have to get power. BUT, that doesn't mean all 4 wheels will get power. the only way all 4 wheels will have power in any situation is if you have a front and rear differential locker. and sadly not a single 4th gen ram 1500 had a stock locking differential option. Best case is you have a rear LSD.
@@j.r.2585 that is incorrect sadly the 4th gen RAM 1500 (09-19) didn't have any stock locking differentials from factory. the outdoorsman came stock with a rear LSD and an open front differential. jack your front end up and spin the tires. if they spin in opposite direction you have an open diff.
same thing would happen except the two wheels that spun would just spin continuously. the idea behind traction control is it try's to apply braking pressure to the spining wheels and therefore increase the torque required to spin that wheel. possibly making the other stationary wheel spin. so in that certain situation it may be actually beneficial to try and leave it on. or manually apply the brakes. but that's just my two sense
@@MarcBangera unfortunately the same thing would apply. open differentials are purely mechanical. traction control can attempt to use the abs sensors and brakes to try and force power to the other wheels but once you turn all the electronics off you are dealing with purely a mechanical device that is going to follow the path of least resistance every time.
Does these ram come with lsd? My bros 2013 2wd has a lsd but you must turn off traction control to spin em both other wise doing a brakestand with t/c on does a pegleg the clutch is slipping
trust me it was a tough decision. I wanted an outdoorsman with the stock LSD rear end but the deal I ended up getting on my truck was pretty incredible. so hear we are with an eaton true trac rear end coming in the mail lol
well I wasn't stuck. if you watch the video again you'll see my brake lights are on. I was just trying to force that wheel to spin to just explain what open differentials do.
a limited slip diff usually has clutch packs which help to force power to both wheels. Not a true locker but does make a pretty big difference when it comes to off road performance. a really nice option to have
It's not something you can't do but unless you have some experience with diff's I wouldn't try it at home. You can easily mess it up, and it can be tricky knowing how to set the proper backlash, bearing preloads and tooth pattern. setting up diff's properly is almost an art on it's own.
I have the BW44-45 transfer case. What is not clear to me is when I put it in 4WD Lock does it lock just the transfer case or the front and rear diffs? Based on the user manual it would seem the diffs are locked and the transfer case is engaged to get power to the front diff but in your case you demonstrating that the diffs are still open and on the transfer case is locked...I know you have the BW44-44 but still confusing to me...
Great question! The 4WD LOCK option is pretty deceptive. So the only thing that is locked is your transfer case, meaning that there is power going to both your front and rear axle at all times. whereas 4WD AUTO has power on and off to the front axle depending on road conditions. but the LOCK option unfortunately has nothing to do with your differentials. if you are lucky your truck has a LSD in the rear but every 4th gen RAM 1500 came stock from factory with an open front differential.
@@GettysGarage thank you for your response! I do have the LSD or anti-spin as Ram calls it. So I'm thankful for that! From what I've read on a forum they stated "The transfer case drives front and rear driveshafts at the same speed. This is why it is not recommended to engage 4wd on pavement." But if the front diff is open and not locked in anyway I do not see how if would cause skipping or binding and why Ram puts in their guide for 4WD to only be on slippery conditions? I'm still learning for sure but even if the same power is sent to both axles ~50/50% then if you turn on wet pavement the open diff would allow for no slipping or binding. I have no need to run 4WD except for off road but just using it as an example based on what I've learned here and after watching #EngineeringExplained
@@cjcomputer1 Again great questions! so when you take a corner ALL four wheels are spinning at slightly different speeds. the open differential in front take care of the speed different between the two front wheels. The rear differential takes care of the speed difference between the two rear wheels. but what is missing is that when taking a corner your front axle as a whole is spinning at slightly different speeds then the rear axle as a whole. So something needs to take up that "slack". and when the transfer case is locked, no slack is available so it puts tremendous pressure on the internal gears when on dry pavement because it forces your wheels to skip in order to take up that "slack". the difference in speed between front and rear axle needs to go somewhere so the easiest place is normally a slight wheel skip, but on dry pavement there could be so much torque needed to skip that wheel that an internal component fails first. Now, on wet or snowy roads that wheels skip isn't even noticed because the friction co-efficient is much much lower. so that is the binding that people are talking about. if you were to run true 4x4 drive set up you would need a differential in the front, rear and need an additional one in the transfer case. all highway trucks have what called inter-axle differential and it allows for speed differences between both front and rear drive axles. I hope that makes some sense. it took me a while to grasp lol
@@cjcomputer1 the only reason I know this is because my day job is working a diesel mechanic so we learn all this stuff in trade school. And trust me it takes guys a little bit of time to fully understand how a 4x4 powertrain works with 3 differentials spinning.
So I been watching your videos and I want to say thank you. They are hr at videos. So is there anyway. To change the his or add to this truck so all 4 can lock. ??
I mean personally I'd rather my 4x4 truck then a 2wd but your point is completely valid lol. I have a Eaton true trac rear differential in the mail so don't worry!
@@GettysGarage thats what ram called it, i seen few videos on you tube, they doing diagonal test, it shows it brakes or slow down the spinning wheel so the power will transfer to the wheel with traction, it uses the ABS to brake spinning wheel,
the ground clearance on these trucks is terrible I find. So a lift would actually do wonders but i'm waiting till the old warranty is up before I start lifting my truck. I mean as for the tires I have wrangler duratracs and to be honest I bought them because they are good in the snow.
@@GettysGarage good content. I subed you. Consider some bfgko2s and a 4 inch lift. The truck will be transformed. I have to test this but I don’t have 4 wheel auto and just high and low 4 and 2 wheel. So I wonder if that system operates differently
@@lordtrini it's a good thing sir. it means your transfer case is most likely a true locking case. my truck has a clutch pack style transfer case which can experience slippage. whereas a traditional transfer case doesn't that that issue. much better off-road performance
Guys, why would you EVER buy a 4X4 truck without choosing the LSD option? I don’t know when why it’s an option. My 1500, with lsd, in 4 low is basically as locked as anyone could ever need
I can't lock my differentials because they are open. you have to have a locking differential in the first place. a lot of trucks don't have that option but some do. so do some research and find out what kind of differentials you have. some locker lock automatically, some are electric and some are air actuated.
Just because it’s says 4x4 doesn’t mean you will be good at it, power brake it when u get in a slippery situation I wouldn’t know though mine has axle lock good video though
having a locking axle makes such a big difference! and as far as the power braking it seems to work in some situations but not so well in other situations. never a bad option when you are stuck though
Look up the VIN and it should show you all your features and options. Another way is to lift the back axle and spin the wheels by hand in neutral. if they spin the same direction you have a posi of some kind. if they spin in opposite direction then you most likely just have an open diff
Funny thing is my 03 Land Rover Discovery has open front, rear and open center diffs and could still do this easy despite having evem less traction. With an open center diff you have 1 wheel drive. This is because they are full time 4wd so you have to have an open diff so you can turn. The traction control on it doesnt reduce engine power at all and actually transfers power to the wheels that need it. These newer vehicles just cut engine power completely, even when you turn it off. Almost got stuck in my pickup one time because I was on some slick surface mud under very light throttle. Soon as one tire barely spun it cut my power down to idle! Turned it off but it was too late. Had to shift to 4wd. They should all offer an offroad mode that disables stability control completely and doesn't reduce the engine power is and instead transfers power to the wheels that gave grip. Works great on the old 1999-2004 Land Rover discovery. Of course them having solid axles helps with the articulation. The 2004 has a locking center diff which helps alot. Im putting detroit truetracs on the front and rear because when the traction control brakes a wheel the diff will lock up.
@@GettysGarage I’m just saying dude I just never had problems with my ram and I 4x4 in the high country in Colorado, it’s actually my 4th ram in my lifetime. I wasn’t trying to be ignorant.
See what doesn't make sence to me is I've never got mine stuck even from a dead stop I've always had big knoby tires I payed good money for my 4x4 has only been use a couple times I would sink my truck take off traction control and still get out just fine
pretty much 2 wheel drive. obviously all 4 wheels can receive power but rarely at the same time unfortunately. what kind of vehicle and set up are you running? my idea set up on my truck would be a torsen (Eaton true trac) in the rear and some kind of e-locker in the front.
@@scottrussell6717the 4th gen RAM 1500's (09-18) didn't actually have a factory locking differential option. they had a rear LSD option but that's it. every single front differential came stock as an open differential. unless you bought it used and someone installed lockers. regardless i'm hoping to throw some lockers at my truck once out of warranty.
@@GettysGarage as a retired mechanic it's the same thing.. dodge calls it anti spin.. but it a locker.. limited slip.. anti spin... it's all the same thing... they all have clutch packs
@Darvin Stjohn that's an interesting thought. A locker with CV axles. I generously wonder if there would be any complications. I imagine guys have run lockers with cv axles up front.
A dumb person like me lol. to be honest it was the one feature that I really wanted and just couldn't find a truck I wanted (or could afford) with an LSD. Good news is I have an Eaton True Trac on order and will hopefully transform the truck into a much more capable unit!
Locka's or weld it, open diff is shit in any situation period.that speed differential will only matter on sharp turns or doing donuts.you don't be at that do ya???
@@GettysGarage put a locker in the rear of my old 93 f150 cpl mths ago ,and it's a different truck now much more capable.do it asap you will thank urself. 😉
@@JoeRocket-sf6qs It's too bad with these Rams the front diff looks like there is no after market lockers. and if there was you would have to replace the whole differential assembly. But for the Rear I'm looking at an Eaton True Trac which is a torsen style differential. I really like that option for a daily driver. or I'll throw an E-locker in lol
@@GettysGarage e locker is fast and effective,torsion set up sounds nice ,but costly also, but obviously in the end in comes down to what you use your rig for and what works best in your applicai,Lol. Have a good day and merry Christmas. 😃
wouldn't do a thing. traction control on or off wont fix an open differential. If I was actually stuck, Yes 100% I would turn my traction control off and my ESC system. but I was just trying to show the downfalls of having open differentials
Turn traction control off and then hold the same button down. This turns off your electronic stabilizer control. Makes all the difference
Tell ya all a little trick i learned back in the early 80s . Its got me out of a bind 6 , 8 times ! We were in a 2 wd chevy with a straight 6 . Goin up hills we shouldnt begoin up . Open diff .
Soooo while the one side is turning . Slowly click yr E brake down a click or 2 . The side spinning now builds heat from friction and locks up . Bam ! The other side kicks in . Off ya go ! Yeeehaw ! Figured that out at 17 years old up n the mountains . Long wait fr help lol ! Few other tricks on my channel !
Thats friggn stupid.ebrake lock both brakes equally. Makes no sense at all
@@adamsorell4851 the one side is not turning . Thers no heat . So the side not turning turns way easier right away .
Got me unstuck several times . In this truck . It worked n my 77 t bird . It worked n my 74 ltd . It you dont understand friction heat , no its not gonna make sny since ! Worked every time ive tried , EVERY TIME !
@@adamsorell4851 did a 10 min video on my channel about it . Half ta go back about a year
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Uhhh....yep...... I’m 56, have owned four wheel drive trucks for over 25 hrs. Done LOTS of off-roading. Upgrade #1. Tires. Upgrade #2 tires..... great video. My best to all
absolutely tires and lockers will transform a truck. I have an Eaton true trac in the mail and hopefully that will help out ALOT
As it was explained to us older guys: open differentials on a truck was like tying the horses to the back of the wagon...they're still hooked up, you're just not going anywhere.
Only thing more useless than a 2wd truck with only one wheel pulling is a 4wd with only 2 wheels pulling ...
haha I love the analogy!
Simple Bullet proof solution...check out Lock Rite mechanical locker. About an hour to install, no messing with backlash or shims or dial indicators or special additives, can be put back to stock if preferred...They are used in situations that require dependability like milatary and rescue! Only con is they can be a bit noisy sometimes (ratcheting sound) around a turn. They can only be used in a open differential as you have!
woow I'll have to check them out. thank you for the info! because yes it is annoying especially in the winter just having 1 wheels spin lol
@@GettysGarage id suggest getting an LSD or a selectable locker unless you spend more time off than om road. I have a powertrax lock right locker in my dodge 2500 and it still works great after 70kmiles on 37s but your turning radius is basically gonna double and you're gonna burn threw back tires pretty fast, mud tires go from new to slicks in like 10k miles.
@@Si0nbarzahd Honestly, the only time I'm actually off-road to film videos lol but I do live in Canada so there is snow on the road for like 4 months. so it would be nice to have some kind of locker. Ideally I'm looking at getting an Eaton true trak torson diff. Not officially a locker but acts pretty darn close to one. technically It is an LSD but as long both wheels are on the ground power will be transferred to both wheels. and apparently the drivability of those units is amazing.
This is why I bought a Power Wagon years ago. Front and Rear Lockers, plus a winch. Sounds like overkill----until you need it. I walked 6 miles out of the bush exactly once to make me decide I needed a PW.
the Power Wagon is the dream! I do which is had the option of the cummins though. apparently it's too heavy and that's why they couldn't put it in the PW
This was what I was looking for after seeing the Duratrac snow review. I wasn't sure if you had lockers or not seeing wheels spinning and others not. I just got rid of a '99 Tahoe and drove through snow over the bumper and never got stuck, but it did have an auto locking rear. Just got an 18 silverado z71 and can't wait for snow...after I get rid of the factory original tires.
Turn off traction control and ESC. It might help.
possibly it would be interesting to do a test just based on if traction control actually helps or how badly it hinders.
@@GettysGarage it does not help at all in these scenarios I’ve compared it with my ram before, but then again I have an lsd.
@@dmoney6633 traction control is for the highway or around town NOT ironically in poor traction conditions. I was "stuck " in my driveway in 3" of wet snow, shut off traction control and idled out.
@@brentfellers9632 yup I can’t get up my driveway in 2wd without it off in the winter. With it on it just gets stuck. It’s for higher speeds for sure.
@@dmoney6633 in my 2013 ram 4x4, turning off traction control only disables 30% of the stability control software. I have remote wired the fuse for that circuit with a switch in series. This allows me to shut it off 100%,, the computer has a fit, but it throws 30ft rooster tails off all 4!
Great video as always. I like learning and you've taught me the workings of a open and locked diff. I guess it all comes down to cost to manufacturer so they opt out of locking diffs from factory. Mud adds personality so I like it. Thanks for the video, keep up the great work, cheers
yes for sure they are more expensive and for most people they will never even need a locker so it makes sense why a lot of trucks just come with open differentials. thank you for the kind words!
@@GettysGarage back in the late 60s early 70s most stuff came with a posi in the rear . The general public couldnt handle it ! All kinds a ppl rolled ther vehicles . You get on a good incline , ( ben ther , every body in the vehicle says your goin wher ? We ll walk ! ) That posi in the rear got to many ppl in trouble . Throttle it n ther ass end swung down hill ! Thats why they drifted away from posi mid 70s . I got lucky my 77 3/4 ton chevy came with factory posi up front . Trucks a beast ! 6 inch lift 35/12.50s
Truck hunts hard !
Wow 😃 looks like fun...creating situations for testing 👀 cool.. if I need it i just put in 4x4 with traction control off... yehaa
might actually make a video showing the benefits of traction control. lol it has its purpose but not when you are truly off-roading.
Next time u go turn ur traction control off n ur ecs by holding ur traction system button ... Then try this trail again .. I bet you will get BETTER result's
won't do a single thing to help an open differential.
@@GettysGarage that's funny cus mine locks up when I do that n I own a 18 Dodge both wheels lock ..
@@alanjoseph986 You probably have a Limited slip rear end my friend! However it would work like this traction control on or off.
If you don't believe me go under your truck and take a look at your rear differential and try and find the traction control wiring. You won't find any. So when you are turning electrical traction controls on and off it has zero bearing on what the differentials are going to do, or where they are going to send the power.
the ESC which is usually the bigger issue has control over the Transfer case. the only thing is can do is hinder power going the front diff. So yes if you are stuck turn that baby off. but if you have open differentials your only going to have power going to 2 wheels for most situations.
I have open diffs on my Base 2.7 Bronco and even though I have plenty of experience, it often gets stuck offroad. Ive already placed my order for a Badlands with lockers specifically because of how frustrating it is.
FYI: Detroit makes a true track for these rear ends now. When my factory LSD wears out I am going to install one.
Awesome rear end. I was hoping to slam one in on my truck but I've decided to wait until my warranty is up.
What’s is the process of installing one? Do you have to replace the whole diff?? Sorry don’t know much about diffs.
If you applied rear brake half way' that would act as "brake locking differential" and rear axle would push you forward. Old trick. Again' having a proper locker is a way to go.
I gotta try this. sounds like another test is needed!
How do you ‘apply rear brake’? 🤔
@@jonothanjames2132 emergency brake works on drum in the hatch for the rear axle, press it half way and watch what happens
@@borkonikolcic6260 press the emergency brake in halfway?
I have a 2018 ram 1500 sport. Came with anti spin rear differential. It goes like a champ in the snow or mud. I have nitto ridge grappler tires !
I've heard good thing about those tires!
Nice tires
Hey Alex, really enjoying your videos. I've just recently picked up a 2016 Dodge ram 1500 outdoorsman and your site is really teaching me alot especially when it comes to using 4wd so thanks for that.
Are you still in the Cowichan valley by chance?
You’re confusing the hell out of me man. One video says this, another says that. Truck is good off road, truck sucks off road. I want to get a dodge but after watching your videos you are making me seriously reconsider. Which you know, is good. But holy hell man.
They definitely have their limitations but I still love mine
My 2011 ram 1500 ST hemi 5 speed locks in both soon as one starts spinning. Do a brake tourc and it smokes both back tires everytime. my buddy has a 2012 same truck and he is one wheel peel all the time and he hates it. guess mine has a factory locker. for the guys with a ram u need to hold the traction control button for about 6 or 8 seconds while in 4high it will turn off track control completely and then its a different animal.
Yep you have a factory locker
so the 4th gen RAM 1500 (09-19) didn't have a factory locker option. Shocking but true. you most likely has a rear LSD. As for the front end, every single factory front diff for those truck is an open differential. BUT you are 100% correct turning your ESC system off makes the truck much much more capable. something I have only learned recently lol
@@GettysGarage mine is a 13 with factory lockers
Good video man, 2wd without a locker equals 1wd. 4wd without a locker equals 2wd.
pretty much. all though all 4 wheel have the ability to receive power, just not all at the same time
Thanks sir that's such an amazing video.
However I am wondering if it stated in your buldsheet something about ( anti-spin rear differential) which my 2019 big horn classic has and I never tried it.
some people say it will work as if its lsd ( i am not sure about this lool) but yeah Would love to know if your truck equipped with the anti-spin rear differential or not.
Thank
my truck does not have an anti-spin. an anti-spin is rams fancy name for a limited slip differential. there is nothing to try either, it's automatic and happens right in the differential. basically when one wheel starts to spin torque is forced to the high traction wheel. trying to force both wheel to spin at the same time. makes a big difference off-road and in the snow
All peg-legs are like that! If you wanna go muddin get a posi.
I couldn't agree more.
Ever heard of using 4x4 low gear it works for me
Will you please do the same exact test but lock your e brake on the e brake will let the diff send power to that other tire have you heard of this please try . But yes do the first test you just did but LOCK EMERGENCY BRAKE PLEASE ;) been doing this while stuck for years man.. not yelling just trying to see if it works for you too
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I hope you understand what I'm saying lol and why to do it? ;)
You can also hit the brakes in the second test in 4x4 try hitting brakes and gas at the same time intermittently and it will lock that other wheel for you been doing this for years also
It would be sweet if you did this and mentioned poor mans RUclips I'm nobody just know a little bit
This is pretty much how Toyota stuck control works your just doing it manually with your foot been off road driving since I was 7 years old been stuck way more time than idd like to mention
My Fords and Toyotas used the brakes to stop the free spinning wheel and activate the other wheel like a simulated limited slip. My 19 Ranger would lay 11s with an open diff.
see now that's what I would expect from all traction control systems. but it just doesn't seem to work that way with a lot of vehicles. it's almost like the system is more concerned about keeping the vehicle from spinning out rather then helping the vehicle get un-stuck.
@@GettysGarage My Toyota has basically 3 different traction control systems that do different things. "Traction control" basically just limits engine power when it detects slip while accelerating. "A-trac"(same as auto-lsd in 2wd) is like offroad traction control that applies the brakes to give the other wheel more power. "VSC" helps correct skids when it detects the vehicle is sliding sideways. I believe most vehicles are equiped with regular traction control that cuts power, especially older ones. I have noticed newer vehicles, even crossovers have started adopting their own versions of A-trac and vsc
@@845ToastT It makes total sense. with all the technology already on vehicles today it is probably much cheaper for the manufacture to develop software like something similar to A-trac then to actually put a LSD or locker in a truck and still be able to sell the vehicle as an off-road vehicle.
You have brake locking differentials. You need to continue spinning the wheel at a gradually faster rate, and it will cause the torque to go to the wheel with traction. If you let off of the gas too soon, it won’t kick in. Here’s an example of how it works. ruclips.net/video/kcl-BMILrig/видео.html
Any 1500 truck you buy, Ram, GM, Chevy or Ford will suck unless you order a LS or Locker Diff.
absolutely true, its not the make of truck that is the issue, it's driveline set-up that's the issue. If my truck has a rear locker it would be much better off-road.
My 13 it brakes the spinning wheel even in 2wd, but not that aggresives it takes about 2 sec before it brake it, in 4wd it brakes the spinning wheel slightly more agressive than 2wd
interesting! traction control is supposed to help but it never seems to brake the spinning wheel hard enough to force power to the other wheel. I'll looking into that thought! thanks for the info
After having a ram 1500 for three years I got rid of it for a 1 ton diesel a ram 1500 is basically a car with a pick up truck bed on the back they are not heavy duty they are not meant for work and if he work him hard they’re going to fall apart the only thing good about it is the engine is pretty good the hemi if you keep the engine oil really clean otherwise what about 90 K miles that engines gonna blow up because the cam phasers are screwed up because of dirty oil and then you’ll pay $5000
you speak the truth sir
If you got a solid front end you can but in auto locker and in the back just get a posi traction kit
I believe the 5 gen RAM trucks now come late to the party with a e locking differential like the Ford trucks since 2011 but GM been equipped with auto mechanical lockers since the late 70s early 80s in which you can get em factory with the truck doesn't have to be a z71 or fx4..... You can get a locker on a 2wd Ford and GM truck. Toyota is the lone manufacturer without a locker in a full sizer.
Yes I believe you are correct the 5th gen Ram's have a true locker option. I've driven a ford with an e-locker in the snow and it is pretty awesome! My first truck was a 96 k1500 GMC with the G80 locking rear end and it was wicked in the snow. when I bought this truck it was kind of disappointing knowing my 25 year old truck was more capable lol but it is what it is. And shame on Toyota lol pay an arm and a leg for those things, least they could do is put a locker in them.
That's why I run a Detroit locker! 👍
How can I change my open diff to a Detroit locker?? Sorry don’t know much about diffs??
@@noeldiaz1359 I had 4wheel parts install it on my truck. I don't have the tools to do it and its warranted under 4 Wheel Parts
@@missioncapable4658nice 👍
@@missioncapable4658 how much did it cost you if u don’t mind me asking?
@@noeldiaz1359 six years ago, it cost my around $600 for the locker and around $300 for install.
Shoulda got the other borg warner t case the one without auto 4x4
I WISH I knew about that that when I bought my truck
I really appreciate your passion and effort about doing the best with the given resource. I have an almost identical one like yours. 2014 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi, Express quad cab. But mine has 45 transfer case (I didn't know the part name but it doesn't have the 4WD Auto) So I was really enjoying your trial and error videos the whole series testing 4WD modes.
I live in Korea, and there is only little bit of information or mechanics dealing with American pickups. Jeeps are popular though. I'll be looking forward to seeing your next videos and hope you keep the truck a while. BTW, how did it go with the Eaton locker? You ordered it right? I'm thinking to get one too if yours work.
Since I bought the truck when I didn't have knowledge about pickups and 4WD, I still don't know its axle ratio. Sucks... I guess it'd be normal 3.21 open diff but the VIN decoder websites give mixed information.
Brake lock differentials (BLD) didnt engage? Did you have traction control on? Jeeps and Rams have traction control brake lock diff, kind of like a Ram version of Toyota Atrac. Had a Toyota with Atrac and open diffs and never had a problem even in ditches with only 2 wheel traction. Can't comment on the Ram because I opted to get a LSD rear in my 1500.
my traction was actually left on. I wanted to let the truck do all the work and see what happens (well i knew what was going to happen). I've never really had faith in traction control actually working when you are really pinned up. which is too bad because if you could somehow fully brake those spinning wheels torque would be force those the wheels with all the traction. obviously that's the goal of traction control but it never seems to work that way for whatever reason. i'll lock deeper into the BLD because this is the first time i've heard that term to be honest. might also check out the Atrac system. Thanks for the info!
@@GettysGarage Not trying to be a Toyota fan boy because I'm really not, but ATRAC system has blown me away. I was in the camp of thinking I definetly needed lockers or a LSD, but ATRAC does 90% of what a locker does, and saves me a ton of time by not having to engage, then disengage the diff lock manually. If you get a chance youtube up some vids, or demo it out on someones Toyota, and I know for sure you'll be blown away by it. I own a 2012 Power wagon, and also a Tacoma, and can say for sure Atrac holds its own weight. Got rid of my 17 Ram 1500 for the Tacoma. Sure its smaller but it hasn't disappointed.
My 2017 Rebel does not have this problem.
Limited Slip Differential makes all the difference
Rebels come with elockers.
@@sunnyvalejedi the fifth gen ?
Hey man I was curious to see if you wanted to collaborate and maybe compare our trucks! I have a 19 Ram 1500 with the same transfer case as you but in the 5th gen. Maybe to just compare the 4th and 5th gen to see if there are any differences or updates with the 4x4 system?? Just me know! I think it would be great content!
yesss
absolutely man. where are you located?
Don’t know how you keep getting that stuck. I have a 2014 dodge ram 1500 with a 6 inch lift 20 inch rims with 35 inch tires I take my traction controller off I haven’t gotten stuck yet I go mudding and climbing all the time.
It wasn't really stuck. if you want the video again you can see my brake lights are on. I was just trying to simulate a stuck situation and why an open differential isn't the best in those situations. but in the snow I was 100% actually stuck. a lift would make a big difference in the snow!
I hate that in this day and age, most cars still dont come with lsd.
I mean i have a bmw turbo and still ope diff.
It should be as standard as air bags for cars to have proper traction control in all situations.
Could not agree more. at least for RAM the factory option to add an LSD is like a few hundred dollars. Mine truck was already on the lot. But why couldn't RAM just make it a standard option and advertise it saying their truck are more capable off-road. seems like a win-win
Excellent explanation.
My ram 1500 has a LS.
do you know if in 4wd the LS applies to both front and back or just rear? I was thinking my LS would take care of the back and I might get lockers on the front...
Thoughts?
Great vids, keep them coming!
18 Ram 1500 4*4, 5.7.
LS is usually just Rear only.
@@chrish8892 Thx, my thought also...
Limited slip is only going to cover the rear. Now even with limited slip you will still run into the same problem. Youll still have slip or one tire spinning in some situations. A locker in the rear or the front will help a ton! Even with an open diff up front or in the rear having at least one selectable locker will get you out of most situations.
yes the factory LSD is in the rear and the front diff only came as an open differential. now as Jeepscarsandguns said, even with a LSD the same thing would most likely happen. but obviously you'll have much more success with a LSD but may still run into the same problems. A locker is going to make sure both wheels on a certain axle have a 50/50 power split at all times. and thank you for the kind words!
They don't make lockers for your truck. Unless you go lunchbox locker.
Open differential period in any truck sucks off road, you need limited slip or a locker
Couldn't agree more! I want an eaton true trak. I think those torsen style diffs are awesome
I might be totally wrong amd not even in the same ballpark... But would shutting off traction control or the esc work ??
If I was actually stuck then yes turning both your traction control and ESC off would help greatly. but as for my little tests, No. Traction control on or off can't fix the mechanical limitation of open differentials. theoretically, traction control ON would be more beneficial for an open differential. because as the wheel with less friction is spinning and not pulling you out while the stationary wheel has all the traction and friction is not spinning. so what traction control "attempts" to do is apply brake pressure to the spinning wheel and making it harder to turn and force power to the wheel with all the traction. But, it seems in the real world when stuck it doesn't help much. hope that makes sense!
Awesome explanation Alex
thank you sir
New to trucks just boght a 2022 limited and this honestly ruins the experience... Is there an actual fix to this issue? Maybe something aftermarket
Should got the big touch screen it's all you need don't worry about the axles
Haha the bank said no to the big touch screen
Can tou disengage and engage the locker at will?
Love your tests and experiments man! Does 4WD Lock on the 1500 Ram allow all four wheels to spin no matter what?
Nope not unless you have locking differentials
The Outdoorsman has lockers in the front but the rear is open
Thank you happy you liked them. Sadly no. the 4WD LOCK means your transfer case is locked. meaning that both front and rear differentials have to get power. BUT, that doesn't mean all 4 wheels will get power. the only way all 4 wheels will have power in any situation is if you have a front and rear differential locker. and sadly not a single 4th gen ram 1500 had a stock locking differential option. Best case is you have a rear LSD.
@@j.r.2585 that is incorrect sadly the 4th gen RAM 1500 (09-19) didn't have any stock locking differentials from factory. the outdoorsman came stock with a rear LSD and an open front differential. jack your front end up and spin the tires. if they spin in opposite direction you have an open diff.
@@GettysGarage power wagon the only ram to have lockers front and rear
Even lockers can get stuck, with open put power down it will go and have spotters push down on the hood.
for sure! lockers are just nice to have. nothing wrong with open diffs but they do have their limitations.
In these instances how would the truck react if traction control was turned off?
same thing would happen except the two wheels that spun would just spin continuously. the idea behind traction control is it try's to apply braking pressure to the spining wheels and therefore increase the torque required to spin that wheel. possibly making the other stationary wheel spin. so in that certain situation it may be actually beneficial to try and leave it on. or manually apply the brakes. but that's just my two sense
@@GettysGarage thanks for that. What about same scenario but traction control and ESC off? How would the truck react then?
@@MarcBangera unfortunately the same thing would apply. open differentials are purely mechanical. traction control can attempt to use the abs sensors and brakes to try and force power to the other wheels but once you turn all the electronics off you are dealing with purely a mechanical device that is going to follow the path of least resistance every time.
What is your rear gear ratio?
I had a 18 tradesman , it locked anytime one barely spun! 🤷♂️
Open diffs suck because only the wheel with the least resistance (or least amount of traction) gets the power.
exactly it's no fun lol
Does these ram come with lsd? My bros 2013 2wd has a lsd but you must turn off traction control to spin em both other wise doing a brakestand with t/c on does a pegleg the clutch is slipping
yes the rear end had a LSD option. traction control can suck sometimes lol
Buy smaller rims with larger tires. Then air down and you will have a MUCH better off road experience my friend!
eventually when the bank account lets me
@Glenn Thomason one of these days I'll have a nice tire set up!
This is why you get the limited slip and pay the additional 400 bucks
Why would you not spring for the optional posi
trust me it was a tough decision. I wanted an outdoorsman with the stock LSD rear end but the deal I ended up getting on my truck was pretty incredible. so hear we are with an eaton true trac rear end coming in the mail lol
I have rearwheel drive i got stuck worse than that i still get out
well I wasn't stuck. if you watch the video again you'll see my brake lights are on. I was just trying to force that wheel to spin to just explain what open differentials do.
Hey guys. Ram offers a “limited slip rear” option for the 2500s. Any insight to how they work?
a limited slip diff usually has clutch packs which help to force power to both wheels. Not a true locker but does make a pretty big difference when it comes to off road performance. a really nice option to have
My bare bones WT has a button to lock the rear axle.
I wish my old dodge had that option. Always nice to have an e-locker!
Good video bro.
So I have this identical truck
How hard is it to add a locker
It's not something you can't do but unless you have some experience with diff's I wouldn't try it at home. You can easily mess it up, and it can be tricky knowing how to set the proper backlash, bearing preloads and tooth pattern. setting up diff's properly is almost an art on it's own.
With driving techniques and lowering your tire air pressure, one can accomplish quite a bit. But LSD and lockers are the way 2 go..
absolutely but you can't beat a good LSD or Locker !
I have the BW44-45 transfer case. What is not clear to me is when I put it in 4WD Lock does it lock just the transfer case or the front and rear diffs? Based on the user manual it would seem the diffs are locked and the transfer case is engaged to get power to the front diff but in your case you demonstrating that the diffs are still open and on the transfer case is locked...I know you have the BW44-44 but still confusing to me...
Great question! The 4WD LOCK option is pretty deceptive. So the only thing that is locked is your transfer case, meaning that there is power going to both your front and rear axle at all times. whereas 4WD AUTO has power on and off to the front axle depending on road conditions. but the LOCK option unfortunately has nothing to do with your differentials. if you are lucky your truck has a LSD in the rear but every 4th gen RAM 1500 came stock from factory with an open front differential.
@@GettysGarage thank you for your response! I do have the LSD or anti-spin as Ram calls it. So I'm thankful for that! From what I've read on a forum they stated "The transfer case drives front and rear driveshafts at the same speed. This is why it is not recommended to engage 4wd on pavement." But if the front diff is open and not locked in anyway I do not see how if would cause skipping or binding and why Ram puts in their guide for 4WD to only be on slippery conditions? I'm still learning for sure but even if the same power is sent to both axles ~50/50% then if you turn on wet pavement the open diff would allow for no slipping or binding. I have no need to run 4WD except for off road but just using it as an example based on what I've learned here and after watching #EngineeringExplained
@@cjcomputer1 Again great questions! so when you take a corner ALL four wheels are spinning at slightly different speeds. the open differential in front take care of the speed different between the two front wheels. The rear differential takes care of the speed difference between the two rear wheels. but what is missing is that when taking a corner your front axle as a whole is spinning at slightly different speeds then the rear axle as a whole. So something needs to take up that "slack". and when the transfer case is locked, no slack is available so it puts tremendous pressure on the internal gears when on dry pavement because it forces your wheels to skip in order to take up that "slack". the difference in speed between front and rear axle needs to go somewhere so the easiest place is normally a slight wheel skip, but on dry pavement there could be so much torque needed to skip that wheel that an internal component fails first. Now, on wet or snowy roads that wheels skip isn't even noticed because the friction co-efficient is much much lower. so that is the binding that people are talking about. if you were to run true 4x4 drive set up you would need a differential in the front, rear and need an additional one in the transfer case. all highway trucks have what called inter-axle differential and it allows for speed differences between both front and rear drive axles. I hope that makes some sense. it took me a while to grasp lol
@@GettysGarage wow! Ok sounds good to me! It makes sense for sure. Hard to grasp yes. You have to think on it a minute haha Thank you!
@@cjcomputer1 the only reason I know this is because my day job is working a diesel mechanic so we learn all this stuff in trade school. And trust me it takes guys a little bit of time to fully understand how a 4x4 powertrain works with 3 differentials spinning.
Why would you even take an open diff Offroad?
because I feel like a lot of folks don't understand that 4x4 isn't all 4 wheels spinning lol
I wanted to see some carnage GOOD VIDEO
haha she's my daily driver so I have to keep the off-roading PG. but thank you!
Where abouts in bc did you film this.
So I been watching your videos and I want to say thank you. They are hr at videos. So is there anyway. To change the his or add to this truck so all 4 can lock. ??
Never buy a 4/4 without at least a posi in the rear, there useless be better off with a two wheel drive
I mean personally I'd rather my 4x4 truck then a 2wd but your point is completely valid lol. I have a Eaton true trac rear differential in the mail so don't worry!
Where was this. I live on the island as well in Courtenay
Love to hear it! this was on Mt. Prevost just north of Duncan. great little road to the top
Your truck doesnt have brake lock diff?
a brake lock diff ? what do you mean by that I'm curious
@@GettysGarage thats what ram called it, i seen few videos on you tube, they doing diagonal test, it shows it brakes or slow down the spinning wheel so the power will transfer to the wheel with traction, it uses the ABS to brake spinning wheel,
Get better tires and a bit of a lift. I have a Ram 1500 AEV and I do great off road
the ground clearance on these trucks is terrible I find. So a lift would actually do wonders but i'm waiting till the old warranty is up before I start lifting my truck. I mean as for the tires I have wrangler duratracs and to be honest I bought them because they are good in the snow.
@@GettysGarage good content. I subed you. Consider some bfgko2s and a 4 inch lift. The truck will be transformed.
I have to test this but I don’t have 4 wheel auto and just high and low 4 and 2 wheel. So I wonder if that system operates differently
@@lordtrini it's a good thing sir. it means your transfer case is most likely a true locking case. my truck has a clutch pack style transfer case which can experience slippage. whereas a traditional transfer case doesn't that that issue. much better off-road performance
@@GettysGarage ahhhh makes since. I did know that the Rams with 4 wheel auto were that much different. Thanks.
Guys, why would you EVER buy a 4X4 truck without choosing the LSD option? I don’t know when why it’s an option. My 1500, with lsd, in 4 low is basically as locked as anyone could ever need
Thats why I ditched that 1500 and got into a 2500 power wagon.
How do u lock the diff?
Most are automatic... ford has a button on the dash to lock it
I can't lock my differentials because they are open. you have to have a locking differential in the first place. a lot of trucks don't have that option but some do. so do some research and find out what kind of differentials you have. some locker lock automatically, some are electric and some are air actuated.
@@GettysGarage I have a 2020 Ram 1500 Laramie 5.7 HMEI 4x4
That's crazy that this 4wd is really a 2wd
pretty much. all 4 wheels have the ability to receive power but usually not at the same time.
My wife drive to the grocery store and church
She loves her Dodge Big Horn.
me and your wife have ALOT in common
Im sure her BIG HORN isn't you. 😆😆😆. Just kidding..🤔
I thought all 4x4 RAMs had the anti spin diff/LSD?
Rebel definitely does.
I have a LARAMIE 4x4 and it has the anti-spin LSD. Wish I had the axle lock like the rebel.
My bad. Embarrassing. Upgrade #2 is lockers. 😔
Just because it’s says 4x4 doesn’t mean you will be good at it, power brake it when u get in a slippery situation I wouldn’t know though mine has axle lock good video though
having a locking axle makes such a big difference! and as far as the power braking it seems to work in some situations but not so well in other situations. never a bad option when you are stuck though
Without getting stuck can you tell if you have a locker
Look up the VIN and it should show you all your features and options. Another way is to lift the back axle and spin the wheels by hand in neutral. if they spin the same direction you have a posi of some kind. if they spin in opposite direction then you most likely just have an open diff
But @HilljackZack said rams have front lockers? I'm confused.
They don't have front lockers
Power Wagon does.
@@sunnyvalejedi no shit
Funny thing is my 03 Land Rover Discovery has open front, rear and open center diffs and could still do this easy despite having evem less traction. With an open center diff you have 1 wheel drive. This is because they are full time 4wd so you have to have an open diff so you can turn. The traction control on it doesnt reduce engine power at all and actually transfers power to the wheels that need it. These newer vehicles just cut engine power completely, even when you turn it off. Almost got stuck in my pickup one time because I was on some slick surface mud under very light throttle. Soon as one tire barely spun it cut my power down to idle! Turned it off but it was too late. Had to shift to 4wd. They should all offer an offroad mode that disables stability control completely and doesn't reduce the engine power is and instead transfers power to the wheels that gave grip. Works great on the old 1999-2004 Land Rover discovery. Of course them having solid axles helps with the articulation. The 2004 has a locking center diff which helps alot. Im putting detroit truetracs on the front and rear because when the traction control brakes a wheel the diff will lock up.
All cars should come standard with a limited slip differential period open differentials should be obsolete by now they suck!
This is operator error....I don’t have issues with my 2017 ram 1500 on way worse roads
confused how mechanical limitation is operator error...
@@GettysGarage I’m just saying dude I just never had problems with my ram and I 4x4 in the high country in Colorado, it’s actually my 4th ram in my lifetime. I wasn’t trying to be ignorant.
@@Atom_187 @Adam Robbins Your Ram would do the same as the ram in the video
@@danieldlcm it actually don’t but I do extreme 4x4 and I have the proper gear ratio and tires and lift
See what doesn't make sence to me is I've never got mine stuck even from a dead stop I've always had big knoby tires I payed good money for my 4x4 has only been use a couple times I would sink my truck take off traction control and still get out just fine
how much better do you think the truck would do with the factory option Anti-Spin limited-slip rear differential I have a '20 1500 with this feature
It makes a big difference. An LSD is not a locker but in most situations it will perform very well
WOW MY 86 DODGE RAM CHARGER ALL 4 WHEELS SPIN
My 06 2500hd will get out of that in 2wd..
but that's a 2500 common now lol pretty sure almost every 2500 comes with a rear LSD so yes your 2wd is probably pretty capable
@@GettysGarage yes sirrr
G80 eaton locker
Any open diff suck offload. Not just the RAM all of them.
Yup, every truck should come with a rear LSD. they aren't that expensive.
Should’ve got a Toyota
haha the newer 4runnners look awesome. just very pricey
Glad mine came with factory lockers.. in snow all 4 wheels pull.. false advertising from dodge.. its really 2 wheel drive in 4x4 lol
pretty much 2 wheel drive. obviously all 4 wheels can receive power but rarely at the same time unfortunately. what kind of vehicle and set up are you running? my idea set up on my truck would be a torsen (Eaton true trac) in the rear and some kind of e-locker in the front.
@@GettysGarage 13 ram 1500. I got it with the factory lockers.. its easy to change yours out... all you have to do is change the guts
@@scottrussell6717the 4th gen RAM 1500's (09-18) didn't actually have a factory locking differential option. they had a rear LSD option but that's it. every single front differential came stock as an open differential. unless you bought it used and someone installed lockers. regardless i'm hoping to throw some lockers at my truck once out of warranty.
@@GettysGarage as a retired mechanic it's the same thing.. dodge calls it anti spin.. but it a locker.. limited slip.. anti spin... it's all the same thing... they all have clutch packs
So how did you end up getting it unstuck? ... Lol
Ever heard of a Ford F-150?
LOVE them
Yeah ,just pulled one out of a snow drift ,with my ram 1500. Lol..
@@michaelpincavitch5245 my ex girlfriend drove a ford f150. don't like either of them
@Darvin Stjohn haha most likely but fords do have that factory e-locker option which is pretty cool
@Darvin Stjohn that's an interesting thought. A locker with CV axles. I generously wonder if there would be any complications. I imagine guys have run lockers with cv axles up front.
4 lock works good
sometimes she works alright!
That generation 1500 sucks the new 19+ generation is so much better they offer the off-road package that includes a rear e-locker
it really is too bad that dodge didn't offer any lockers in that generation. seemed like they learned what people want
Why anyone would buy a truck without the LSD differential is beyond me. SMH
A dumb person like me lol. to be honest it was the one feature that I really wanted and just couldn't find a truck I wanted (or could afford) with an LSD. Good news is I have an Eaton True Trac on order and will hopefully transform the truck into a much more capable unit!
@@GettysGarage it will make a heck of a difference
The "Ridgey"wouldn't have gotten stuck LOL
no it wouldn't of. A lot of trucks would get stuck before the ridgeline lol
Every truck socks with open diff. Gees didn't know and don't know why. Reall???,??
5,000lbs to 7,000lbs truck with one wheel pushing..
Locka's or weld it, open diff is shit in any situation period.that speed differential will only matter on sharp turns or doing donuts.you don't be at that do ya???
One day I'll throw some lockers in my truck. Until then I'll have to suffer lol
@@GettysGarage put a locker in the rear of my old 93 f150 cpl mths ago ,and it's a different truck now much more capable.do it asap you will thank urself. 😉
@@JoeRocket-sf6qs It's too bad with these Rams the front diff looks like there is no after market lockers. and if there was you would have to replace the whole differential assembly. But for the Rear I'm looking at an Eaton True Trac which is a torsen style differential. I really like that option for a daily driver. or I'll throw an E-locker in lol
@@GettysGarage e locker is fast and effective,torsion set up sounds nice ,but costly also, but obviously in the end in comes down to what you use your rig for and what works best in your applicai,Lol. Have a good day and merry Christmas. 😃
A welded diff is great for doing donuts lol
Ur steering was turn....straighten ur front tires......and you'll get out.....
All makes open diffs suck
Well it ant 4 wheel drive if all WHEELS dont SPIN
haha I mean I guess. all 4 wheels have the possibility of spinning but just not necessarily at the same time
Turn your traction control off
wouldn't do a thing. traction control on or off wont fix an open differential. If I was actually stuck, Yes 100% I would turn my traction control off and my ESC system. but I was just trying to show the downfalls of having open differentials
I would floor it and it would come out just fine traction control off I would walk right out
@@64impala59 probably. like I said I was just showing how an open differential reacts
@Scott Pray yes turning off the ESC system makes a big difference.