@@derylbrightjr.4460 ummm no, the spurs beatdown lebron in the 2007 finals so I’m sure they could beat him in the rest of the years, and the cavs wouldn’t be able stop Kobe or Gasol, the cavs showed they can’t deal with good bigman with decent spacing against the magic.
@@AH-mq2zu only 4 appearances and 3 wins with shaq. so thats still impressive. especially that the whole coaching staff and team left when shaq did, and they were able to build up a contender and champion around kobe in just 2-3 yrs again
@Shawn Kemp The one season Kobe missed the Playoffs in 2005 Kobe played 67 regular season games (ankle injury) & Lamar Odom only played 64 regular season games (shoulder Surgery) 32-34 record before Odom went into surgey. Shaq played w Penny , Grant, Wade, LeBron, & Steve Nash. How is Shaq underrated ?
@Shawn Kemp How is Shaq underrated? Gasol is not underrated because if I ask you what did he accomplish in Memphis before playing with Kobe you won't have an answer for me.... Stop trying to degrade what Kobe accomplished
When people say that Nash, Melo, Tmac and Yao were overrated because they didn't win anything need to understand why they couldn't make it past the first, second or third round of playoffs. When you've gotta face either the Lakers or Spurs in the 2000s, it was difficult to advance. Your best hope is to have them eliminate another. Same could be used about players in the 90s and going against Jordan's bulls
Exactly. I say this many times about Melo. The reason he and the Nuggets kept losing in the first round is because they kept matching up against better teams. Not because they choked or even had a chance to begin with.
For certain years, a lot of the series were decided by very close games that could have gone either way. Glad I got to watch the playoffs during these years. A lot of the talent was a lot more spaced out
Give Melo Chauncey Billups as his point guard for his entire career and I swear he wins a title. Give T-Mac Kobe's work ethic and he wins a title with Yao, probably in 09
Lol Gasol, y’all have been brain washed Gasol was nowhere near Webber’s level, Gasol made 1 all star and led a team to the playoffs 1x and got swept as an 8 seed, Webber led a team to the playoffs as a rookie and basically every team he was on in his prime Kobe made Gasol, he led a team with Kwame Brown and Smush Parker as the starting center and point guard to a 7 seed and a 3-1 lead over the Suns, obviously if you replace a bum at center with a low level all star and a bum at point guard with a championship level role player you’re going to see a huge improvement but don’t get it twisted Gasol was just what gave Kobe some help Gasol was nowhere near Rasheed, KG, Duncan, Webber, Dirk, Amare he was the tier after them prob a lil worse than Jermain O’Neal and a lil better than Carlos Boozer Ppl just get shit confused because they think the only way to make someone better is assists
@@andremaricq1937 pau gasol is underrated and doesnt take away what he did for LA. Those Memphis teams were bad theres no way they were going far in the west playoffs. But I agree gasol is no where in their level. But I would take gasol over boozer. Theres no comparison. Gasol was better and much better on defense who boozer was considered as a liability
The Eastern Conference in in the 80s is as close as you can get: Best Teams Celtics with Larry Bird, Kevin Mchale, Robert Parish, and Dennis Johnson Average Record from 1980 to 1989: 59-23, 5 finals appearances and 3 titles 76ers with Julius Erving, Moses Malone, Mo Cheeks, and Charles Barkley Average Record from 1980 to 1989: 54-28, 3 finals appearances and 1 title Pistons with Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Dennis Rodman, and Bill Laimbeer Average Record from 1980 to 1989 42-40 (52-30 from 1984 to 1989) 3 finals appearances and 2 titles Bucks with Sidney Moncrief and Marques Johnson Average Record from 1980 to 1989 52-30, 3 conference finals appearances Atlanta Hawks with Dominique Wilkins and Doc Rivers Average Record from 1980 to 1989 45-37 The Bulls with a young MJ and Pippen would be a strong playoff team in the later few years The First Seed Averaged 62-20 Second Seed 57-25 Third Seed 53-29 Fourth Seed 48-34 5th Seed 44-38 6th Seed 42-40 Considering there was only 11 teams int he Eastern conference at the time the next few seeds are not to great I would argue that the East in the 80s might be the most top heavy conference ever with usually 3 or 4 contenders, 1 or 2 decent teams and 6 awful teams The West in the 2000s was definitely better but this is the best I could think of unless you want to argue perhaps the current west. west of the last 8 years 8
Part 2 Contenders of the 80s East by year: 80: Celtics, 76ers, and Bucks (1 60+ win team, 2 more 50+) 81: Celtics, 76ers, and Bucks (maybe the Knicks) (3 60+ win teams, 1 more 50+) 82: Celtics, 76ers, and Bucks (1 60+ win team, 2 more 50+) 83: Celtics, 76ers, and Bucks (note historic 83 76ers team with Moses Malone, Dr J, Mo Cheeks, and 6MOY Bobby Jones) (1 60+ win team, 2 more 50+) 84: Celtics, 76ers, and Bucks (1 60+ win team, 2 more 50+) 85: Celtics, 76ers, and Bucks (1 60+ win team, 2 more 50+) 86: Celtics, 76ers, and Bucks (maybe Hawks) (note historic 86 Celtics with Bird, Kevin McHale, Robert Parish, Dennis Johnson and 6MOY Bill Walton) (1 60+ win team, 3 more 50+) 87: Celtics, Hawks, Pistons, and Bucks (4 50+) 88: Celtics, Hawks, Pistons, and Bulls (4 50+) 89: Pistons, Cavs, Hawks, Knicks, Bucks and Bulls (1 60+, 3 more 50+) So the Celtics were at least contenders every year bar 1989 (When Larry Bird Played 6 Games) compared to the West for the last 20 years 99: Spurs, Jazz, Blazers, and Lakers (maybe Rockets) (Lockout 2 on pace for 60+) 00: Lakers, Blazers, Jazz, and Blazers (maybe Suns) (1 60+, 5 more 50+) 01: Lakers, Spurs, and Kings (7 50+) 02: Lakers, Spurs, Kings, and Mavs (1 60+, 4 more 50+) 03: Spurs, Mavs, Kings, and Lakers (2 60+, 3 more 50+) 04: Lakers, TWolves, Spurs, and Kings (maybe Mavs) (6 50+) 05: Spurs, Mavs, and Suns (1 60+, 5 more 50+) 06: Spurs, Mavs, and Suns (2 60+, 1 more 50+) 07: Spurs, Mavs, and Suns (2 60+, 3 more 50+) 08: Spurs, Mavs, Suns, Lakers, Rockets, and Hornets (maybe Nuggets and Jazz) (8 50+) 09: Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Nuggets (1 60+, 5 more 50+) 10: Lakers, Mavs, Suns, Spurs (maybe Nuggets and Jazz) (8 50+) 11: Spurs, Lakers, Mavs, Thunder (1 60+, 4 more 50+) 12: Spurs, Thunder, Mavs, Lakers, and Clippers (lockout 2 on pace for 60+) 13: Spurs, Thunder, Nuggets, Grizzlies, and Clippers (maybe (1 60+, 4 more 50+) 14: Spurs, Thunder, Clippers, (maybe Blazers and Rockets) (1 60+, 6 more 50+) 15: Warriors, Clippers, Grizzlies, Spurs, and Rockets (1 60+, 6 more 50+) 16: Warriors, Spurs, and Thunder (maybe Clippers) (1 70+, 1 more 60+, 2 more 50+) 17: Warriors, Spurs, Rockets (maybe Clippers and Jazz) (2 60+, 3 more 50+) 18: Warriors, Rockets (1 60+, 1 more 50+) So every year bar 2018 the Spurs were at least contender over the last 20 years
@Shawn Kemp Well that's mostly because of this Michael Jordan Guy, but out side of the Bulls is there really a team you can look at and say that is one of the greates teams of all time the same way you can for the 83 76ers, 86 Celtics, or the 89 Pistons? Maybe the Knicks, or Magic, but both failed to win a championship which really holds them back. Part of greatness is being competitive Jordan dominating is awesome, but there were only a select few times he was really challenged in the playoffs as the Bulls was always the favorite to win every year they won
@Shawn Kemp So your saying that not only are the 90s Knicks and Magic better than the Fo Fo Fo 76ers who swept the Show time Lakers, the 63 win Bad Boy Pistons who swept the Show Time Lakers, but also the 86 Celtics possibly the greatest team of all time? So if you want to say that the Knicks got unlucky with calls and suspensions fine, but can you really say that that makes them one of the greatset teams of all time? And yes you are right basically no one could guard Shaq, but that doesn't mean his teams were unbeatable who on the Jazz guarded Shaq in 97 or 98 when the Lakers lost in 5 and 7 respectively? Who guarded Shaq on the Spurs in 99 or 03 when the Lakers got swept and lost in 6 respectively? So Shaq is not an instant win every time, because I think Robert Parish would have a much better time stopping Shaq than Greg Foster, Greg Ostertag, or a 33 and 37 year old David Robinson.
@Shawn Kemp Okay, but its not about a team being good every year of a decade its about how competitive the conference was compare it to the 00s West the Spurs and Mavs were the only teams to be contenders each year, other teams to be contenders such as the Kings, Lakers, and Suns all missed the playoff multiple times in the decade
Phenomenal video, I'm glad I started watching basketball in the early 2000's. So many great players, teams and moments and many players like Pau Gasol, Chris Weber, Shawn Marion, Yao Ming. Garnett, Artest, Jermaine O'Neal, Rasheed and Ben Wallace plus a lot more always get overlooked.
What about K.G.? I really think he did amazing with how deep the 4 position was, he had much better people to defend and defending him. His career was much more remarkable in the 2000s
They were past their prime, but the Utah Jazz of Stockton and Malone were still good in the first few years of the decade. They won 55 games and the division title over the defending champion Spurs in 2000, and were 53-29 and 4th seed in 2001 (after leading the West for some stretch after the All-Star break). They still made All-Star games and Malone was an All-Pro in 2000 and 2001. But I get your point.
You can't even argue with any of the points made in this video. And to be honest, the only people who would disagree that the 2000s Western Conference was the best are LeBron fans because it would make Kobe look better.
Why would they honestly? It is just an actualy usable excuse for the unfavourable finals record of james. Kobe did still win 3 rings as 2nd option and james still always had to go thrugh the best team from west in the finals. Dont see why james fans would argue that honestly.
Lebron got in the finals once in the 2000s era and they got swept in it too. Not to discredit LeBron but he had a cakewalk in the east compared to what the Spurs and Lakers accomplished in the 2000s era
The Eastern Conference in the late 80s has to be a close second. Celtics, Bulls, Pistons, Cavs, Knicks, all time great teams, obviously this is before expansion.
It was not competitive. It was overrated. Outside of the 2006 Mavericks, it was basically the Lakers, the Spurs, and a dozen pretenders. If the West was so highly competitive, why didn't more teams win it? It was a two-team conference with a bunch of overrated teams.
Damn i didn‘t know that the West was that strong in the 2000s i thought first the End of 1980s and 1990s in the East where tough but thank you for the video LOW🙌🏾🙏🏾
I don't want to argue that it's better/greater since it's so early in the season but this years Western Conference has been amazing so far. All of the teams except the Suns have a realistic shot of making it to the playoffs and can end anywhere between 2 and 14. All of those 14 have their own brand of basketball and narrative as well; Warriors with perhaps the greatest team of all time once Cousins comes back, Nuggets with a Center as their primary facilitator, Kings finally being exciting again, Mavs with Luka and incredible potential, Jazz with their Defensive identity, Grit & Grind of the Grizzlies, ISO game of the Rockets, Lakers very little 3 pointers and a rapid paced transition, Wolves with all the off-court drama and so on.... Every Western game is exciting to watch since its a clash of basketball styles and 1 win can move you 4 spots in the rankings! I don't think I've ever enjoyed a regular season so much!
Burak Oztezcan that don't make it great tho it's just alot of parity but there not great the early 2000s West had the Lakers Spurs and Kings who could have all won champions no matter what Era you put them in then you had Dallas who if that team was around now they would be a 50 plus win team easy & then the Suns would would be a Contender right now especially the way the game is played
@@chrisuncleahmad yes the kings if not for the lakers and spurs they would have won atleast won if the kings face the nets in 02 or Philly in 01 they win
exactly, he dominated top teams of the West, Shaq was lucky to have Kobe sharing the load or even taking over against these West teams only to run over petty East teams with no real centers lol
@@TheTariqibnziyadNo disrespect to Timmy D, but he ain't close. Had a stacked roster and the best coach in league history practically every year of his career and ONLY won 5 chips? Hardly took over and dominated games....played well nevertheless but never had the Kobe effect on a game. Kobe even dominated him a few times
When I saw the title of this video what came to mind was the 2007-08 season. Even in 08-09 competition was pretty high. Back then an 8th-seeded Nuggets squad had a chance to beat the Lakers, or even the Spurs. It was a much better era that people gave it credit for, especially when older NBA fans compare it to the 90’s.
Great video. One more thing, it really hasn’t changed much now either, the West is still as loaded as ever, from 2010 to 2018. In 2016 and 2017, the Spurs had 60+wins and were #2 seed both times, while in those same seasons the east didn’t even have a 60 win team at all.
the west was never loaded. The NBA Western Conference of the 2000s was the most OVERRATED conference in history Outside of the 2006 Mavericks, it was basically the Lakers, the Spurs, and a dozen pretenders. If the West was so great, why didn't more teams win it? It was a two-team conference with a bunch of overrated teams.
I think you're 10000% right L.O.W but since you put out the challenge of finding a conference that comes close I'll bite. The only conference that I could see possibly putting up a fight would be the 90s eastern conference. Mj, Pip, Ewing, Shaq, Penny, Mourning, Johnson, etc..
2000s West was not THAT great. Outside of the 2006 Mavericks, it was basically the Lakers, the Spurs, and a dozen pretenders. If the West was so great, why didn't more teams win it? It was a two-team conference.
@@chrisuncleahmad bro idc bout all that if 50 wins doesn’t secure home court advantage for your team then Your conference is stacked. Ur basically saying the 90’s east was bad cuz only the pistons and bulls won the finals
2010-the Warriors dynasty had a very strong West as well. In 2013-14, the Suns missed the playoffs with 48 wins and almost every series went 7 in the first round.
C. K. You clearly didn’t watch the nba back then if you thought that, aside from 2001 lakers, every other team that made it out of the west had a pretty hard time to accomplish that.
Ai def deserves credit for getting to the finals the eastern conference was tough when he made it . Ray Allen baron davis Vince Carter tmac and many more def had a crazy playoff series against the bucks Ray wasn’t playing and had one with Vince and the raps ai def deserves credit and last but not least the sixers were the only team to beat them in a game
You should do a video on the L'Eastern conference in the 2000s so the causals can compare it with...People still don't understand that Kobe's 5 final appearances in 7years from '02 to '09 was way more impressive than LeBron's 8 straight.
Let me add some point guards including the East who brought out the best from both conferences: Baron Davis, Jason Williams, Gilbert Arenas, Stephon Marbury, the Hardaways, Terrell Brandon, Garry Payton, Jason Kidd, Steve Francis, Andre Miller, Allen Iverson, Jason Terry, Chauncey Billups, Nick Van Exel, Damon Stoudimire, Jamaal Tinsley
An amazing waste of time The Lakers and Spurs cakewalking through this so called greatest conference every year in the decade save for 2006 was stale and tiresome
Lakers won 5 titles in that decade and 7 appearances no one talks about that a dynasty i am not evan a lakers fan i dont really like them but you gotta respect that
It’s not a dynasty because there was only one constant throughout the 200s which was Kobe there championships came 7 years apart the 2002 team was a different team then the 2009 team it’s like saying the cavs were a dynasty throughout the last 15 years because Lebron but he left for 4 years
LOW, Excellent video. The Spurs and the Lakers dominated the not only the league, but also a stacked Western conference. 1999-2010: Only 3 teams in the east won titles. In the West, you teams that were actual competition for a championship. Nice dude.
There was no competition in the West for a championship. It was a 2-team hegemony. With the exception of 2006 and Dallas, the West was basically LA/San Antonio and a dozen overrated teams. Sacramento, Rockets, Wolves, Suns.... they never won anything meaningful because they weren't good enough.
From 1999-2010, it was the Spurs or the Lakers that made it to the finals. With Dallas breaking it up once in 2005. That’s crazy. You basically at least saw Kobe or Tim Duncan for most of those finals in the decade and even their accolades look really nice when compared.
It was so boring. Save for that one Dallas year, it was no fun seeing reruns year after year. There was no drama or suspense. We never got new blood, instead it was the same old boring stuff.
@@chrisuncleahmad This is such a revisionist take. You’re just lookin at the results lol, when the West was a lot better than the East at the time and a lot of 50 win teams were there. A lot of good talent and teams.
What's your opinion on other good conferences like the 90s Eastern Conference or 10s Western Conference? How do they stack up to the 00s Western Conference?
The 10s Western Conference would stack up very well. The 90s Eastern Conference would at least have a chance, but the 00s West would still be superior unless they were playing the Bulls.
Remember Kobe won all his rings in this era. Duncan won 3 there and 1 in 98 and one in 2014-15. Just to say. More consistent, but his peak was just below Kobe's, to me. Even tho 2003 is a good argument, but was only one year. Duncan was amazing there, but still one year of pure dominance vs Kobe's probably entire decade of it
+Shawn Kemp the 90s was a water down league the nba added 5 teams late 80s to early 90s reggie miller was the best team on the pacers team that beat the knicks and took the bulls to 7 games reggie miller have 218 blocks in 18 years. reggie couldnt dribble couldnt created his own shot and couldnt play defense .
80s line up would compete. Starting you got Kareem, Olajuwon, Bird, Jordan, Magic against 2000s Shaq, Duncan, LBJ, Kobe, CP3 That be interesting- people forget Olajuwon was competing against Kareem being he was older at that time but given him buckets. I'm not sure if the 2000s are the better team but it be a great game to simulate.
Question for everybody: Do y'all judge how a strong a conference is by the number of title contenders or the records in the conference? I go by title contenders
The NBA Western Conference of the 2000s was the most OVERRATED conference in history Outside of the 2006 Mavericks, it was basically the Lakers, the Spurs, and a dozen pretenders. If the West was so great, why didn't more teams win it? It was a two-team conference with a bunch of overrated teams.
I remember those times. Every playoff games were exciting in the Western Conference from first round to the conference finals. Almost every series ended in 5 or 6 games.
08 and 2010 a playoff seed in the west had to win a minimum of 50 games who went to the finals both those years Kobe that’s who he went three years straight and one back to back facts that’s #CrazyWork
And….. who cares if you were a 50 win 8th seed? It was no fun seeing reruns year after year. There was no drama or suspense. We never got new blood, instead it was the same old boring stuff.
This why Bron making the finals wasnt that impressive the East is always averaged compared to the West, WC has like 3 to 4 title contenders East only has 1
The West was Lakers, Spurs, Warriors, a few Dallas/OKC outliers ,and that was it. Getting out of the West wasn’t THAT hard because it had so many pretender
Lakers with Kobe/Shaq and Kobe/Pau, Spurs with Duncan/Parker/Ginobili Mavs with Dirk/Nash and Dirk/Terry/Kidd Kings with C-Webb/Peja/Bibby T-Wolves with KG Blazers with Rasheed and Sabonis Nuggets with Melo/AI Jazz with D-Will/Boozer Hornets with CP3/West Suns with Nash/Stoudemire/Marion Rockets with T-Mac/Yao............. IT'S WITHOUT A DOUBT THE BEST CONFERENCE EVER
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Just imagine if either Kobe or Duncan played in the East. We probably would've had Kobe vs Duncan almost every year in 2000's
It already was
I dont know about that lebron would give them problems
@@derylbrightjr.4460 when
@@derylbrightjr.4460 ummm no, the spurs beatdown lebron in the 2007 finals so I’m sure they could beat him in the rest of the years, and the cavs wouldn’t be able stop Kobe or Gasol, the cavs showed they can’t deal with good bigman with decent spacing against the magic.
Almost happened since Duncan almost went to the Magic
From 2000-2010 Kobe was in 7 finals & won 5 which is why Kobe is highly underrated because the media won't tell you EVERYTHING Kobe did in his career
Prime Shaq
@@AH-mq2zu only 4 appearances and 3 wins with shaq. so thats still impressive. especially that the whole coaching staff and team left when shaq did, and they were able to build up a contender and champion around kobe in just 2-3 yrs again
Pure facts!
@Shawn Kemp
The one season Kobe missed the Playoffs in 2005 Kobe played 67 regular season games (ankle injury) & Lamar Odom only played 64 regular season games (shoulder Surgery) 32-34 record before Odom went into surgey.
Shaq played w Penny , Grant, Wade, LeBron, & Steve Nash. How is Shaq underrated ?
@Shawn Kemp How is Shaq underrated? Gasol is not underrated because if I ask you what did he accomplish in Memphis before playing with Kobe you won't have an answer for me.... Stop trying to degrade what Kobe accomplished
When people say that Nash, Melo, Tmac and Yao were overrated because they didn't win anything need to understand why they couldn't make it past the first, second or third round of playoffs.
When you've gotta face either the Lakers or Spurs in the 2000s, it was difficult to advance. Your best hope is to have them eliminate another.
Same could be used about players in the 90s and going against Jordan's bulls
Melo and T-Mac were a little overrated due to their poor shot selection at times
Exactly. I say this many times about Melo. The reason he and the Nuggets kept losing in the first round is because they kept matching up against better teams. Not because they choked or even had a chance to begin with.
@@MrSayWhatIThink23 dont compare tmac to lashootalotmelo
For certain years, a lot of the series were decided by very close games that could have gone either way. Glad I got to watch the playoffs during these years. A lot of the talent was a lot more spaced out
Give Melo Chauncey Billups as his point guard for his entire career and I swear he wins a title. Give T-Mac Kobe's work ethic and he wins a title with Yao, probably in 09
Chris Webber's All- Star and All NBA were heavily effected by playing in the 2000's west with Tim, Dirk, KG, and Gasol
Lol Gasol, y’all have been brain washed Gasol was nowhere near Webber’s level, Gasol made 1 all star and led a team to the playoffs 1x and got swept as an 8 seed, Webber led a team to the playoffs as a rookie and basically every team he was on in his prime
Kobe made Gasol, he led a team with Kwame Brown and Smush Parker as the starting center and point guard to a 7 seed and a 3-1 lead over the Suns, obviously if you replace a bum at center with a low level all star and a bum at point guard with a championship level role player you’re going to see a huge improvement but don’t get it twisted Gasol was just what gave Kobe some help Gasol was nowhere near Rasheed, KG, Duncan, Webber, Dirk, Amare he was the tier after them prob a lil worse than Jermain O’Neal and a lil better than Carlos Boozer
Ppl just get shit confused because they think the only way to make someone better is assists
@@andremaricq1937 pau gasol is underrated and doesnt take away what he did for LA. Those Memphis teams were bad theres no way they were going far in the west playoffs. But I agree gasol is no where in their level. But I would take gasol over boozer. Theres no comparison. Gasol was better and much better on defense who boozer was considered as a liability
Respect for making this 💪
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Love ur content bruv
The Eastern Conference in in the 80s is as close as you can get:
Best Teams
Celtics with Larry Bird, Kevin Mchale, Robert Parish, and Dennis Johnson
Average Record from 1980 to 1989: 59-23, 5 finals appearances and 3 titles
76ers with Julius Erving, Moses Malone, Mo Cheeks, and Charles Barkley
Average Record from 1980 to 1989: 54-28, 3 finals appearances and 1 title
Pistons with Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Dennis Rodman, and Bill Laimbeer
Average Record from 1980 to 1989 42-40 (52-30 from 1984 to 1989) 3 finals appearances and 2 titles
Bucks with Sidney Moncrief and Marques Johnson
Average Record from 1980 to 1989 52-30, 3 conference finals appearances
Atlanta Hawks with Dominique Wilkins and Doc Rivers
Average Record from 1980 to 1989 45-37
The Bulls with a young MJ and Pippen would be a strong playoff team in the later few years
The First Seed Averaged 62-20
Second Seed 57-25
Third Seed 53-29
Fourth Seed 48-34
5th Seed 44-38
6th Seed 42-40
Considering there was only 11 teams int he Eastern conference at the time the next few seeds are not to great
I would argue that the East in the 80s might be the most top heavy conference ever with usually 3 or 4 contenders, 1 or 2 decent teams and 6 awful teams
The West in the 2000s was definitely better but this is the best I could think of unless you want to argue perhaps the current west. west of the last 8 years
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Contenders of the 80s East by year:
80: Celtics, 76ers, and Bucks (1 60+ win team, 2 more 50+)
81: Celtics, 76ers, and Bucks (maybe the Knicks) (3 60+ win teams, 1 more 50+)
82: Celtics, 76ers, and Bucks (1 60+ win team, 2 more 50+)
83: Celtics, 76ers, and Bucks (note historic 83 76ers team with Moses Malone, Dr J, Mo Cheeks, and 6MOY Bobby Jones) (1 60+ win team, 2 more 50+)
84: Celtics, 76ers, and Bucks (1 60+ win team, 2 more 50+)
85: Celtics, 76ers, and Bucks (1 60+ win team, 2 more 50+)
86: Celtics, 76ers, and Bucks (maybe Hawks) (note historic 86 Celtics with Bird, Kevin McHale, Robert Parish, Dennis Johnson and 6MOY Bill Walton) (1 60+ win team, 3 more 50+)
87: Celtics, Hawks, Pistons, and Bucks (4 50+)
88: Celtics, Hawks, Pistons, and Bulls (4 50+)
89: Pistons, Cavs, Hawks, Knicks, Bucks and Bulls (1 60+, 3 more 50+)
So the Celtics were at least contenders every year bar 1989 (When Larry Bird Played 6 Games)
compared to the West for the last 20 years
99: Spurs, Jazz, Blazers, and Lakers (maybe Rockets) (Lockout 2 on pace for 60+)
00: Lakers, Blazers, Jazz, and Blazers (maybe Suns) (1 60+, 5 more 50+)
01: Lakers, Spurs, and Kings (7 50+)
02: Lakers, Spurs, Kings, and Mavs (1 60+, 4 more 50+)
03: Spurs, Mavs, Kings, and Lakers (2 60+, 3 more 50+)
04: Lakers, TWolves, Spurs, and Kings (maybe Mavs) (6 50+)
05: Spurs, Mavs, and Suns (1 60+, 5 more 50+)
06: Spurs, Mavs, and Suns (2 60+, 1 more 50+)
07: Spurs, Mavs, and Suns (2 60+, 3 more 50+)
08: Spurs, Mavs, Suns, Lakers, Rockets, and Hornets (maybe Nuggets and Jazz) (8 50+)
09: Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Nuggets (1 60+, 5 more 50+)
10: Lakers, Mavs, Suns, Spurs (maybe Nuggets and Jazz) (8 50+)
11: Spurs, Lakers, Mavs, Thunder (1 60+, 4 more 50+)
12: Spurs, Thunder, Mavs, Lakers, and Clippers (lockout 2 on pace for 60+)
13: Spurs, Thunder, Nuggets, Grizzlies, and Clippers (maybe (1 60+, 4 more 50+)
14: Spurs, Thunder, Clippers, (maybe Blazers and Rockets) (1 60+, 6 more 50+)
15: Warriors, Clippers, Grizzlies, Spurs, and Rockets (1 60+, 6 more 50+)
16: Warriors, Spurs, and Thunder (maybe Clippers) (1 70+, 1 more 60+, 2 more 50+)
17: Warriors, Spurs, Rockets (maybe Clippers and Jazz) (2 60+, 3 more 50+)
18: Warriors, Rockets (1 60+, 1 more 50+)
So every year bar 2018 the Spurs were at least contender over the last 20 years
@Shawn Kemp Well that's mostly because of this Michael Jordan Guy, but out side of the Bulls is there really a team you can look at and say that is one of the greates teams of all time the same way you can for the 83 76ers, 86 Celtics, or the 89 Pistons? Maybe the Knicks, or Magic, but both failed to win a championship which really holds them back. Part of greatness is being competitive Jordan dominating is awesome, but there were only a select few times he was really challenged in the playoffs as the Bulls was always the favorite to win every year they won
@Shawn Kemp So your saying that not only are the 90s Knicks and Magic better than the Fo Fo Fo 76ers who swept the Show time Lakers, the 63 win Bad Boy Pistons who swept the Show Time Lakers, but also the 86 Celtics possibly the greatest team of all time? So if you want to say that the Knicks got unlucky with calls and suspensions fine, but can you really say that that makes them one of the greatset teams of all time? And yes you are right basically no one could guard Shaq, but that doesn't mean his teams were unbeatable who on the Jazz guarded Shaq in 97 or 98 when the Lakers lost in 5 and 7 respectively? Who guarded Shaq on the Spurs in 99 or 03 when the Lakers got swept and lost in 6 respectively? So Shaq is not an instant win every time, because I think Robert Parish would have a much better time stopping Shaq than Greg Foster, Greg Ostertag, or a 33 and 37 year old David Robinson.
@Shawn Kemp Okay, but its not about a team being good every year of a decade its about how competitive the conference was compare it to the 00s West the Spurs and Mavs were the only teams to be contenders each year, other teams to be contenders such as the Kings, Lakers, and Suns all missed the playoff multiple times in the decade
@Shawn Kemp Also the Pistons are better than you give the credit for
Phenomenal video, I'm glad I started watching basketball in the early 2000's. So many great players, teams and moments and many players like Pau Gasol, Chris Weber, Shawn Marion, Yao Ming. Garnett, Artest, Jermaine O'Neal, Rasheed and Ben Wallace plus a lot more always get overlooked.
Love the channel. Enjoy the factual info given in an educated by fun manner. Best of success along your way
KOBE was the BEST player of the 2000s
He's not even the best mamba from the 2000s. SCAL the 🐐
What about K.G.? I really think he did amazing with how deep the 4 position was, he had much better people to defend and defending him. His career was much more remarkable in the 2000s
Eikam Gaming That was Tim Duncan
Josh Howatd 😂😂
Duncan And Shaq>Kobe
This is why I have Kobe and Duncan ranked ahead of Lebron in my top ten!
The West was laughably overrated in this era
@@chrisuncleahmadhow
Respect for your vids, keep throwing out these facts
This is why Kobe and Duncan deserve alot more respect 🫡 they were consistently title contenders in the toughest conf of all time.
You mean the weakest conference
They were past their prime, but the Utah Jazz of Stockton and Malone were still good in the first few years of the decade. They won 55 games and the division title over the defending champion Spurs in 2000, and were 53-29 and 4th seed in 2001 (after leading the West for some stretch after the All-Star break). They still made All-Star games and Malone was an All-Pro in 2000 and 2001.
But I get your point.
@Harry Engel 2003
Top notch vid as always.
You can't even argue with any of the points made in this video. And to be honest, the only people who would disagree that the 2000s Western Conference was the best are LeBron fans because it would make Kobe look better.
Why would they honestly? It is just an actualy usable excuse for the unfavourable finals record of james. Kobe did still win 3 rings as 2nd option and james still always had to go thrugh the best team from west in the finals. Dont see why james fans would argue that honestly.
Lol but who brought Lebron up ? I haven’t seen anyone say anything about Lebron.
Lebron got in the finals once in the 2000s era and they got swept in it too. Not to discredit LeBron but he had a cakewalk in the east compared to what the Spurs and Lakers accomplished in the 2000s era
Shoto T wtf what Lebron fans say that? I’m a Lebron fan and I agree the 2000s WC was the best of all time I grew up wit that shit
super gilly y’all associate all Lebron fans as bronsexuals
your like korzemba but calling out arguments. its just perfect, You spit straight facts
Good vid man
The 2010’s western conference is up there also especially with this season seeing every team not named the suns can make the playoffs
Tony Parker face at 1:05 LMAOO
Amazing video! The Western has been loaded since MJ retired.
3 teams carried an otherwise overrated conference.
Watching this era made me fall in love with the sport. Especially the western conference
Not me. Watching the same 2 teams win every year made fell fall out of love with the sport for years, especially the overrated West
The Eastern Conference in the late 80s has to be a close second. Celtics, Bulls, Pistons, Cavs, Knicks, all time great teams, obviously this is before expansion.
These are great points
I agree, so much competition out in the west, the suns, mavs, Lakers, Spurs
What competition? There wasn’t any
The West in 00's was what the East was in the 90's. Highly competitive!
It was not competitive. It was overrated.
Outside of the 2006 Mavericks, it was basically the Lakers, the Spurs, and a dozen pretenders.
If the West was so highly competitive, why didn't more teams win it? It was a two-team conference with a bunch of overrated teams.
@@chrisuncleahmad u expect them to beat the spurs and Lakers? No way. Only few teams came close to beating them
@@tj5180they SHOULD have if they were supposedly that good
Damn i didn‘t know that the West was that strong in the 2000s i thought first the End of 1980s and 1990s in the East where tough but thank you for the video LOW🙌🏾🙏🏾
It wasn’t strong. It was the Lakers/Spurs Duopoly
The West had the Top 4 players of the 2000’s (Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Garnett).
There were so many great coaches in an era where scoring was most difficult.
This video pretty much supported the fact that Kobe = GOAT. #MAMBA
No not really but you can have your opinion that's fine
@@SuperTierney24 thats your opinion😄
I don't want to argue that it's better/greater since it's so early in the season but this years Western Conference has been amazing so far. All of the teams except the Suns have a realistic shot of making it to the playoffs and can end anywhere between 2 and 14. All of those 14 have their own brand of basketball and narrative as well; Warriors with perhaps the greatest team of all time once Cousins comes back, Nuggets with a Center as their primary facilitator, Kings finally being exciting again, Mavs with Luka and incredible potential, Jazz with their Defensive identity, Grit & Grind of the Grizzlies, ISO game of the Rockets, Lakers very little 3 pointers and a rapid paced transition, Wolves with all the off-court drama and so on.... Every Western game is exciting to watch since its a clash of basketball styles and 1 win can move you 4 spots in the rankings! I don't think I've ever enjoyed a regular season so much!
Burak Oztezcan that don't make it great tho it's just alot of parity but there not great the early 2000s West had the Lakers Spurs and Kings who could have all won champions no matter what Era you put them in then you had Dallas who if that team was around now they would be a 50 plus win team easy & then the Suns would would be a Contender right now especially the way the game is played
Amazing? Lol don't know about that
@@Stonecoldalstonthe Kings? Please. Overrated pretenders
@@chrisuncleahmad yes the kings if not for the lakers and spurs they would have won atleast won if the kings face the nets in 02 or Philly in 01 they win
@@Stonecoldalston The Nets sweep Sacramento, who played 0 defense.
And Kobe was still the G.O.A.T of this ERA. Greatest player in the greatest conference in NBA history
exactly, he dominated top teams of the West, Shaq was lucky to have Kobe sharing the load or even taking over against these West teams only to run over petty East teams with no real centers lol
MrLucas924 Duncan was better
@@TheTariqibnziyad facts!!
@@TheTariqibnziyadNo disrespect to Timmy D, but he ain't close. Had a stacked roster and the best coach in league history practically every year of his career and ONLY won 5 chips? Hardly took over and dominated games....played well nevertheless but never had the Kobe effect on a game. Kobe even dominated him a few times
MrLucas924 Tim Duncan >
When I saw the title of this video what came to mind was the 2007-08 season. Even in 08-09 competition was pretty high. Back then an 8th-seeded Nuggets squad had a chance to beat the Lakers, or even the Spurs. It was a much better era that people gave it credit for, especially when older NBA fans compare it to the 90’s.
What compeitition? It was the Lakers and the Spurs. That was it. Outside of the 2006 Mavs, the West of the 2000s was nothing but overrated pretenders.
Great video. One more thing, it really hasn’t changed much now either, the West is still as loaded as ever, from 2010 to 2018. In 2016 and 2017, the Spurs had 60+wins and were #2 seed both times, while in those same seasons the east didn’t even have a 60 win team at all.
the west was never loaded.
The NBA Western Conference of the 2000s was the most OVERRATED conference in history
Outside of the 2006 Mavericks, it was basically the Lakers, the Spurs, and a dozen pretenders.
If the West was so great, why didn't more teams win it? It was a two-team conference with a bunch of overrated teams.
I miss this era so bad
FACTS!
I think you're 10000% right L.O.W but since you put out the challenge of finding a conference that comes close I'll bite. The only conference that I could see possibly putting up a fight would be the 90s eastern conference. Mj, Pip, Ewing, Shaq, Penny, Mourning, Johnson, etc..
Great vid, perhaps 202 will compete, you'll never know
i mean 2020, lol
Do one on the worst conference by decade in NBA history and compare them to the 00's west
2000s West was not THAT great.
Outside of the 2006 Mavericks, it was basically the Lakers, the Spurs, and a dozen pretenders.
If the West was so great, why didn't more teams win it? It was a two-team conference.
@@chrisuncleahmad bro idc bout all that if 50 wins doesn’t secure home court advantage for your team then Your conference is stacked. Ur basically saying the 90’s east was bad cuz only the pistons and bulls won the finals
@@ahmedh445250 meaningless wins only to get whooped by the only 2 teams that mattered
2010-the Warriors dynasty had a very strong West as well. In 2013-14, the Suns missed the playoffs with 48 wins and almost every series went 7 in the first round.
Almost every Western team in the 2000s had a star level player at one point
and outside of dirk's 2006 mavs, none of them outside of the lakers/spurs ever won when it mattered.
C. K. Because the lakers and spurs were THAT good
@@3andahalf442 Or the rest of the West was simply NOT that good. Save for 06 DAL, the West was predictable and boring for fans of other teams.
C. K. You clearly didn’t watch the nba back then if you thought that, aside from 2001 lakers, every other team that made it out of the west had a pretty hard time to accomplish that.
@3And a half Lakers and spurs had a cakewalk beating up on those pretenders save for 2006.
Getting out of the West was really not that hard IMO.
The power forwards during that were insane
Insanely overrated
Where Jason Kidd, lebron,Dwayne wade, David west, Rasheed, Chauncey, Richard, Wallace and many other great 2000 players
You say this but don’t have Kobe too 10 😂
Ai def deserves credit for getting to the finals the eastern conference was tough when he made it . Ray Allen baron davis Vince Carter tmac and many more def had a crazy playoff series against the bucks Ray wasn’t playing and had one with Vince and the raps ai def deserves credit and last but not least the sixers were the only team to beat them in a game
You should do a video on the L'Eastern conference in the 2000s so the causals can compare it with...People still don't understand that Kobe's 5 final appearances in 7years from '02 to '09 was way more impressive than LeBron's 8 straight.
ken juan I’m a Lebron fan and I agree Kobe’s finals runs were more impressive than lebrons
Kobe wasn’t in the 04 05 06 07 Finals???
It only became the LeEastern conference when LeBron went to Miami Heat.
@@SaltoDaKid
2004 LAL vs DET
2005 SAS vs DET
2006 DAL vs MIA
2007 CLE vs SAS
@@SaltoDaKid he was in the 04 and 07 finals
Sacramento might've won the Title in 2003 if Webber didn't get hurt against Dallas
They weren’t good enough
Can you make a video of the best eastern conference in NBA history
R.I.P HILLENBURG, the realest out there. Made the greatest Series of all time.
Let me add some point guards including the East who brought out the best from both conferences:
Baron Davis, Jason Williams, Gilbert Arenas, Stephon Marbury, the Hardaways, Terrell Brandon, Garry Payton, Jason Kidd, Steve Francis, Andre Miller, Allen Iverson, Jason Terry, Chauncey Billups, Nick Van Exel, Damon Stoudimire, Jamaal Tinsley
Jason Kidd and Chauncey Billups too in the late 00s with the Nuggets and Dallas. And the young trio of Okc. The Jail Blazers. That decade was amazing.
An amazing waste of time
The Lakers and Spurs cakewalking through this so called greatest conference every year in the decade save for 2006 was stale and tiresome
@@chrisuncleahmadthe point is in the 2000swestern conference any team from 1-12 could’ve been a top 5 east seed
@@20cs65 yeah right. You think the dysfunctional Jail Blazers would have been top 3 in the East?
Can you do a top 10 6th man for 2018-2019
Lakers won 5 titles in that decade and 7 appearances no one talks about that a dynasty i am not evan a lakers fan i dont really like them but you gotta respect that
Technically their last title was part of the 2010's
@Joseph S what live chat
It’s not a dynasty because there was only one constant throughout the 200s which was Kobe there championships came 7 years apart the 2002 team was a different team then the 2009 team it’s like saying the cavs were a dynasty throughout the last 15 years because Lebron but he left for 4 years
Uhhh the threepeat Lakers was a dynasty lol
Everyone always talks about the Shaq and Kobe Lakers 😂
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The kings commentator...
LOW,
Excellent video. The Spurs and the Lakers dominated the not only the league, but also a stacked Western conference.
1999-2010:
Only 3 teams in the east won titles. In the West, you teams that were actual competition for a championship.
Nice dude.
There was no competition in the West for a championship. It was a 2-team hegemony.
With the exception of 2006 and Dallas, the West was basically LA/San Antonio and a dozen overrated teams.
Sacramento, Rockets, Wolves, Suns.... they never won anything meaningful because they weren't good enough.
1980’s East.
From 1999-2010, it was the Spurs or the Lakers that made it to the finals. With Dallas breaking it up once in 2005. That’s crazy. You basically at least saw Kobe or Tim Duncan for most of those finals in the decade and even their accolades look really nice when compared.
It was so boring. Save for that one Dallas year, it was no fun seeing reruns year after year. There was no drama or suspense. We never got new blood, instead it was the same old boring stuff.
@@chrisuncleahmad This is such a revisionist take. You’re just lookin at the results lol, when the West was a lot better than the East at the time and a lot of 50 win teams were there.
A lot of good talent and teams.
@@Spider-Complexionall those other 50 win teams were pretenders.
At no point did anyone ever take Sacramento or Phoenix seriously.
if the Kings played in the East they would’ve made the finals every year
They couldn’t play defense. They’d have lost to any good Eastern defensive team
Mike Bobby hella big now
Don't let this distract you from the celtics paying over 30 million a year for gordon hayward to ride the bench
What's your opinion on other good conferences like the 90s Eastern Conference or 10s Western Conference? How do they stack up to the 00s Western Conference?
The 10s Western Conference would stack up very well. The 90s Eastern Conference would at least have a chance, but the 00s West would still be superior unless they were playing the Bulls.
1:07 tony parker's face lol
Remember Kobe won all his rings in this era. Duncan won 3 there and 1 in 98 and one in 2014-15. Just to say. More consistent, but his peak was just below Kobe's, to me. Even tho 2003 is a good argument, but was only one year. Duncan was amazing there, but still one year of pure dominance vs Kobe's probably entire decade of it
Why has the WC been so darn good for 2 decades? That's a long time. That defies probability in my mind
That's great an all but Where's the podcast?
Andre MIller is one of the top players in the 90-s he is just underated
He didn't even play in the 90's
Just all the more reason to say Kobe is far greater than some make it out to be and should be in the GOAT convo.
Timmy did basically the same thing with no shaq
@@camoscout1 Duncan had David Robinson, Ginobili, and Parker
@@munir9527so in 2003 when Tony Parker was a sophomore, Manu was a rookie, and David Robinson was a skeleton? Such a stacked roster
I wish there way rewatch 2000s basketball the one the best era of for basketball
Please break down the East during that time.
Plus the the teams in the southwest are all 50win caliber teams and they'll face each other 4x in a season.
FACTS
90's east is the next best but i agree
I remember 1 year that the warriors missed the plays with a winning record meanwhile they woulda been like the 3rd seed in the east
That was when they started the top 16 team instead of the top 8 from each conference argument started
Bro where did you and agents podcast go
You should do video a underrated on Chris Webber
Like if KD ruined the 2010s Western Conference and the entire NBA.
Jason Kidd pg? Totally forgot about him lol
1980s eastern conference was pretty stacked not as stacked as 2000s western conference but I would count it number 2.
+Shawn Kemp the 90s was a water down league the nba added 5 teams late 80s to early 90s reggie miller was the best team on the pacers team that beat the knicks and took the bulls to 7 games reggie miller have 218 blocks in 18 years. reggie couldnt dribble couldnt created his own shot and couldnt play defense .
80s line up would compete. Starting you got Kareem, Olajuwon, Bird, Jordan, Magic against 2000s Shaq, Duncan, LBJ, Kobe, CP3 That be interesting- people forget Olajuwon was competing against Kareem being he was older at that time but given him buckets. I'm not sure if the 2000s are the better team but it be a great game to simulate.
Utah jazz made the playoffs with the 8th seed in the west in 2007 with 48 wins and the Hawks made the 4th seed in the east with 47 wins
Dirk truly is a beast
Give me the Eastern Conference when the Bad Boy Pistons and Celtics with Larry Legend were winning championships.
Question for everybody: Do y'all judge how a strong a conference is by the number of title contenders or the records in the conference? I go by title contenders
There were only 2 true title contenders.
that queen's team was great, brad miller and divac were all stars
current west might take the throne soon... level of competitiveness is unbelievable atm
The current NBA season has a shot maybe if GS don’t go off since tenth seed is @ .500 rn
What about 80”s eastern conference
Ive been saying this for a long time...
The 2000s NBA Western Conference = the 1980s NFL's NFC in terms of dominance
The NBA Western Conference of the 2000s was the most OVERRATED conference in history
Outside of the 2006 Mavericks, it was basically the Lakers, the Spurs, and a dozen pretenders.
If the West was so great, why didn't more teams win it? It was a two-team conference with a bunch of overrated teams.
Whats the instrumental that starts at 3:40
I remember those times. Every playoff games were exciting in the Western Conference from first round to the conference finals. Almost every series ended in 5 or 6 games.
Nah. All those West playoff series was basically playing for the right to lose to the Lakers/Spurs.
08 and 2010 a playoff seed in the west had to win a minimum of 50 games who went to the finals both those years Kobe that’s who he went three years straight and one back to back facts that’s #CrazyWork
And….. who cares if you were a 50 win 8th seed?
It was no fun seeing reruns year after year. There was no drama or suspense. We never got new blood, instead it was the same old boring stuff.
This why Bron making the finals wasnt that impressive the East is always averaged compared to the West, WC has like 3 to 4 title contenders East only has 1
The West was Lakers, Spurs, Warriors, a few Dallas/OKC outliers ,and that was it.
Getting out of the West wasn’t THAT hard because it had so many pretender
This is why Kobe is the goat
Podcast?
What happened to off the top??
Stop disrespecting Paul Pierce.
eclek313 he ain’t even a top ten SF and that’s a fact
Jo Hepatitis C I know right?
I'm talking about the you Western conference not the east
Legend Of Winning oh whew I was gonna say Jason Kidd but okay
Learn to read
Lakers with Kobe/Shaq and Kobe/Pau,
Spurs with Duncan/Parker/Ginobili
Mavs with Dirk/Nash and Dirk/Terry/Kidd
Kings with C-Webb/Peja/Bibby
T-Wolves with KG
Blazers with Rasheed and Sabonis
Nuggets with Melo/AI
Jazz with D-Will/Boozer
Hornets with CP3/West
Suns with Nash/Stoudemire/Marion
Rockets with T-Mac/Yao.............
IT'S WITHOUT A DOUBT THE BEST CONFERENCE EVER
Best conference in sports NBA Western Conference
Why did you not include any comparable stats for other eras or even the Eastern conference? Wouldn’t it help prove your case?
dude what happened to the podcast
Really shows how easy Lebron had it in the cake walk east and really only when he had a superteam cause those Boston teams gave it to him
The West was easy for the Lakers/Spurs. Save for 2006, it was always the same old ending that decade.