In my opinion, the Suns system was successful because of Steve Nash, not the other way around. I remember when he got injured and the Suns lost like 9 of the 11 games he sat out. That team wouldn’t have done nearly as much if you replaced him. Also this man just said the 3rd all time assists leader wouldn’t be a hall of famer if he didn’t win MVP bruh come on.
It's a great system, if you have one of the best pure point guards of all time. How many could fill that role? Kidd, maybe. Stockton, probably... That's about it.
@Ice Sickle Stockton just didn't have the same run & gun style as Nash. That doesn't mean one is better than the other, but if you put Stockton or Kidd in the system under which Nash thrived, they may not do as well as Nash did it - or as well as they did in their respective offenses for that matter.
This is the most UNDERRATED player of ALL TIME!!!!! 3rd all time in assists.. He averaged 9.4 assists per game throughout his career in Phoenix alone. Led the league in assists 5 times, essentially dominating the passing game in the 2000's. Ninth all time in 3 point shooting percentage and he wasn't even a specialized shooter. 4 seasons where Nash recorded 40% from 3, 50% from the field and 90% from the line... and was one free throw shy of 5.. most all time by far. The best free throw shooter in the history of the game at 90.43% which is unheard of. But the BIGGEST reason why he was underrated wasn't his stats.. but the way he played the game.. there will never be a more intelligent, cunning and artistic guard like him ever again.. his no looks, behind the backs and through opponent leg passes are strange to this sport.. he's really only appreciated by soccer fans because his play is reminiscent of Lionel Messi, just absolute brilliance every time he touched the basketball. For fuck sake he gave Stoudemire perfect passes with his head and feet at the 2005 slam dunk contest. And even more, he was a ruthless sniper from beyond the arc... Every time this man shot a 3 it didn't just go in, he swished it... The ONLY REASON Steph Curry is even a thing is because Nash didn't style his game after the three point shot... because if Steve actually looked to style his game as a shooter rather than a passer he would have probably been hailed as the best shooter in history and Steph would have been what James is to Jordan.. an afterthought. He was such a perfect shooter in fact that when he would miss a free throw (usually in an out the rims) the crowd and announcers would be stunned that it was possible... I'd trust Nash taking a shot over Steph, and he wasn't even a shooter. Most Underrated player BY FAR... it's not even close, the only reason he never won a ring was playing for really really shit defensive teams.
SUPER SAMMICH How is he underrated? He won 2 MVPs and is called an all time great. Not everyone is over or underrated, some people are appropriately rated.
ADAJ3 A lot of people, like LOW, and a very salty Shaq, say that he did not deserve any of his MVP's or awards, and that he benefited from a Mike D'Antoni system, and changed rules. How many times have you heard that Shaq or Kobe deserved to win it over Nash?
ADAJ3 if Steve Nash is really being called an all time great they've really lowered there standards on what they considered an all time great that was a word we reversed players like magic bird Jordan etc
Calling Steve Nash overrated is probably one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. If anything Nash is underrated because people forget how good he was in his prime.
- TJ no that was on Phoenix’s front office being cheap and not signing back Joe Johnson on a long term contract. Johnson was so important to that team because of his spacing and ability to slow the game down in iso situations.
I agree with you except the fact that if you take away Nash’s MVPs he’s not a HOFer. He’s still 8x All-Star, 7x All-NBA, 5x Assist Leader. That’s HOF worthy. Especially if a guy like Reggie Miller is getting in being a 5x All-Star and 3x All-NBA (all 3rd team) in 18 seasons.
"(player 1) must be HOF caliber cause (player 2) is and he had less (x) statistically than (player 1)" If we use that logic, anyone more accomplished than the least accomplished player in the HOF should make it in.
Chris Hessian the basketball HOF compared to the other professional leagues is easier to get into. I only used Reggie as an example because those who’ve watched LOW’s videos know he already did a video on Reggie Miller. The man averaged 18-3-3 lol.
The example doesn't matter. I'm only commenting on the reasoning you use. Every player who averaged over 18-3-3 should be in the HOF? Obviously not. The standards are low for the HOF, but they'd be even lower if everyone was put in based on comparing them statistically to another HOFer. Context, ya know?
Not to mention Nash is the leader for the 50/40/90 club over Larry Bird, Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, etc. Dude is a top 5 playmaker and debatably top 5 shooter of all time. There's no question he'd still be a HOF candidate.
Nash wouldn’t make the HOF without the MVPs??? Seriously??? - 8x All-Star - 7x All-NBA - 5x assist leader - One of only 5 players in league history with 10k assists - most 50/40/90 seasons ever - 1st all-time in FT% - top 15 in 3PT% Like c’mon this is still easily a HOF resume
Y’all say Harden was an undisputed MVP playing in the D’Antoni 2.0 System but act like Nash doesn’t deserve his MVP’s because he’s a “system player” in the same offense. Smh the hate too real 🤦♂️
I agree. MVP should be given to the MOST IMPACTFUL PLAYER and Nash was just that. Like LBJ is every year. I don't believe Harden was MVP or should ever be do to his consistent lack of effort on defense. Even though LBJ isn't always consistent on defense but he still has a much larger impact in other major areas than Harden . I sometimes feel that if you replace Harden with KD, or a Curry-type you would get a similar result that the Rockets got. Where-as, if LBJ was on the Hawks last year they would at least make it to the playoffs, and I don't believe any other player could do that solo!
If you put harden and Nash 1v1 harden will destroy Nash on both sides of the ball rebounds everything. Nash is overrated because he is an average guy passing the ball to above average (ability wisely) nba players does absolutely nothing impressive NOTHING he understands angles and how to get his teammate a high quality shot but those shots came through constant motion not because they had to double team Nash but through motion and double teams on amare... the lakers probably had to double because they had smush Parker at PG
Naaaaa. The player that holds the record for most 50-40-90 seasons is overrated? Na...questioning his MVP’s because he didn’t make it to the finals is like questioning hardens mvp. Nash is also one of the best free throw shooters. Let’s please stop disrespecting our legends with these type of videos. Every player has a bad game/series. What’s next? Kobe or MJ is overrated?
@@Comptonx187 Took his team from 29 wins to 62 with no other major additions, he shot around 50+/45/90+ from the field, he averaged a dozen assists, he didn't turn the ball over.
@@Comptonx187 The last two MVP's had trouble shooting 40% from the field & both averaged about 6 turnovers a piece. 6 fucking turnovers. Nash averaged the same assist numbers with half the turnovers. We should be embarrassed about letting stat padders & losers win MVP. Russell's MVP is much more embarrassing & far less deserved than Steve's.
So is Tim Duncan overrated because he was a system player his whole career even though he was very talented? How about Harden he thrives in a similar system to Nash and won an MVP, so he’s also overrated? Is Steph Curry overrated because he’s a 2x MVP? When everyone who truly understands the NBA knows that Curry has never been the best player - Lebron was and still is. Also, James Harden and Westbrook didn’t lead their teams to the finals in their MVP seasons so are they both now overrated?
Airgens Nash was a winner as well. Nash arrives in Phoenix they go from a 29 win team to a 62 win team and make the WCF. But if you are using the term “winning” to mean championships then yeah, you’re right, Duncan was a winner compared to Nash. But I’ll ask again, if not winning a championship makes Nash overrated then are Westbrook, Harden and CP3 all overrated too?
BLOCKED BY JAMES Tim Duncan thrived because of the system Popovich put in place, thereby making him a “system player” But I think you missing my point. I’m in no way saying Duncan wasn’t a great player. I’m simply making the argument that if Nash is labeled as overrated because of the reasons LOW gave, then shouldn’t other players who fall into those categories similar to Nash also be considered overrated?
Garrett Corn no because Duncan was great right away it took Nash nearly a decade to be great and just overall Duncan is a better basketball. Duncan outside of SA would be the same player with a different uniform
I was going to finish watching this, but why? You just said a single player is responsible for making a WHOLE team win the championship! Enough, I could have got this bullsh*t at the barbershop.
Tony Cook ur ignorance is super strong lol haha. Like hardcore they didn’t fully use the triangle it was at most a couple of plays sorry try again . N the pace the suns played gave a lot more posseions. No way in hell u would think of. Nash as a top 20 guard
Nestor Cuero bro ur crazy Nash was the system without Nash that Phoenix team isn’t anything he made that team a great team he was the most valuable player in the league stop hating bro ur the one that sounds ignorant and Kobe and Michael did flourish from that system but that shouldn’t be used to discredit any of these guys so stop and do not say he’s not a top 20 guard what other guard has ever aged his number in that era that was also heavily about grit and defense cmon bro stop hating
Triangle offense hurt MJ and Kobe’s numbers, without the triangle MJ have absolute monsters numbers. Son you are comparing a system that hurts a players numbers but win champions vs a system helps player number with no rings
He created the system in Phoenix that is the prototype for what many teams do now. It's just that Nash didn't have enough shooters around him. If Joe Johnson stayed, they would have won titles. Just one more gun and that would have put them over the top. Coaching and the GM's mistakes are why Nash didn't get over the hump.
And some years Nash was injured too. And they STILL routinely made conference finals appearances in the west. During this time period the suns would have killed almost any eastern conference team they played, D'Antoni just could never outcoach Pop (0-7 in playoff series agiesnt pop lol)
never getting to the finals is definitely a stain on his legacy but when he gets criticized for being one of the weakest mvp winners of all time and sometimes gets labeled as a system player it's kinda hard for him to be overrated
Steve Nash is a HOFer but its safe to say hes overrated. He has as many MVPs as Shaq Kobe and DWade combined. Let that sink in for a minute. Those 3 guys have a combined 12 championships. They were All Nba Defensive players as well as All Nba offensive players who could will their team to a victory by dropping 40points on any given night. Nash could never do that and if he could it would be immediately irrelevant because his defensive level is on par with James Harden. Harden averaged 36ppg and close to 10 assists his mvp year and didnt even make the finals. Nash like Harden are huge liabilities on the defensive side of the court.
Okay so first off, I like you and your videos. But I have to be HONEST here. Steve Nash might be a little overrated, but you make it sound like he is a damn scrub. Nash was one of the most unlucky players in history (2005 agiesnt the Spurs, Amare's neck injury in the 2007 playoffs, his own thigh injury in 2008). He also consistently made the WCF in the West, which during that time period was essentially the NBA finals when you consider the talent gulf between east and west. Is it his fault that he was on a top 3 team every year that simply wasn't quite the best? Would you have taken his team over the supporting cast of the Spurs, Lakers, Mavs, or Rockets, not to mention the half dozen other secondary contenders. Is it his fault that Mike D'Antoni was notorious for his HORRIBLE playcalls and choices in the clutch, to the point where it was a meme how he could never beat Pop (he still never has btw). Nash was the top point guard in the league for 5 years and consistently preformed in the clutch after the Mavs years. MISS ME with this nonsense.
@ mayyybe at a push. I think some combo of Magic, Big O, IT, Stockton, Curry, Kidd, West, and CP3 will usually crowd him out of the top 5 tho. Personally I have him in the 5-7 range
@ its True, and the failures were way more about injuries, bad luck and other great teams than Nash's shortcomings. There are only a couple PG's in history who could dream of running that offense with Nash's efficiency, and most players got noticeably worse after leaving Nash. He didn't even MENTION efficiency because he knows how dead his argument would be of he did lol
@@Comptonx187 you don't win a chip every year some years we got injuries some we underperformed. What I am trying to say is those two years everything went well we had a big chance to win a ring but the nba desides to fuck us
Nah he just is .... screens screens pass to an all star screen screen pass to an all star screen screen oh they doubled my all star should I shoot oh my other all star is open pass. Rondo did it better and he didn’t get an mvp for it
Calling Nash overrated!??! Yea you trippin. Why because he was team first? Make no mistake, the only hit aginst nashes game an legacy was his defense. But not for lack of trying. So please...stop with the disrespect. Because Nash was top 5 point guard all throughout his prime. If he wasn't? Name the 5 pgs over him. An I'll gladly step back an shut up.
@@Skykid6 no chip ok? But I ask again. Name five pgs in nashes era that where better than him? You can't an if you tried. You'd be gettin called a l Liar! by every person who knows even a little about basketball. An again his defense wasn't horrible. He just wasn't athletic enough to stay with the athletic pgs. An he didn't win a chip. Ok are you sayin that makes him a bad pg? But regardless he's a hall of fame all time great pg! That didn't go runnin just because he didn't win a chip.👊 BTW, 2 BACK TO BACK MVPS...not to shabby if ya ask me?
Ben Wallace barely had 6000 points. Nash had 10,000 assist. Nash was a clear hall of famer with or without the mvps he had better stats then Jason Kidd. I feel like there’s the race issue with this take saying he shouldn’t be in. If it was a black dude you would be saying he’s top 10 all time.
You talk about how good his team mates were on offense, yet you never talked about how much better every teams offense got when they signed Nash. So many logical fallacies in this video? Harden still hasn't been to the finals, yet hes not considered over rated?
This video is so disingenuous. The dude wants to argue against the notion that the suns were "cheap" and shows that they were actually 7th in salary(65 million) in 07, but hides the fact the the 3rd highest team...aka his lakers (77 million) had a payroll of almost 12 million more than the suns! You know who had 12 million less than the suns? The 27th place New Orleans (53 million). The suns in regards to salary were pretty close to the median for the league. So yes, when it came to building a championship team, the suns were in fact kind of cheap.
I never expected the suns to win anything any year because I know Nash was just regular season sauce just like harden but harden wasn’t bestowed mvp over somebody else that deserved it like this years mvp was either giannis or bron what if they gave it to... never mind it doesn’t compare Nash is such a weak mvp ability wise it’s hard to compare to harden who can do so much more with his body. Nash never was the best basketball player in the world for 1 year that’s what mvp means to me it’s like performance is one thing but who is clearly the best basketball player side by side Nash was never the best or top 5 in those years he won... his team won but Nash walking on the court and Kobe or lebron walking on the court even Larry bird walking on the court or ai walking on the court is just different.
Steve Nash is not overrated. I can see why people say he's overrated but he is not overrated at all. Give some respect to a legend. Bust and overrated is constantly used in sports media too much
Jay Wagner yeh I don’t think he’s overrated I just think he did not deserve those two mvps that he won they were much more deserving to guys like Kobe, wade, shaq, kg
They both are different... one was mad efficient with his shooting who delivered 10+ assists in his prime years while the other gives crazy volume scoring with good assists & good post D...
Christian Hernandez facts he is like top 5 or 3 all time he just gets disrespected and gets hated for getting mvp over Kobe which is bs but rip to Kobe though
Coolhands444 yh he underachieved that’s y he is overrated people put his name in a lot of talk with the great pgs
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james had 4 MVP's and only 1 title in a lock out year at one time and still only added 2 lucky chips to that. James has underachieved for a 4 time MVP'.
Take away his two mvps but at the end of the day he’s a top 5 playmaker and top 5 shooter of all time. (Shooter not scorer!) You can’t say that about anyone else
Real Spiel take away those mvps and we aren’t even talking about him.... that’s what this is about the things that make him relevant to media I feel was given to him definitely the second time he should not have won 2.. because he won 2 back to back is the only reason we talk about him because deep down everybody knows that’s a miracle.
Carl Bridgewater irrelevant is not the right word. If you’re on a list with player such as Dirk, KD, Reggie Miller, Larry Bird, Mark Price, and Steph you’re doing something right. Even you can score 20 points by yourself in an empty gym but you still wouldn’t be as efficient as those guys in an actual game
15:17 "14 points and 9 rebounds" The graphic clearly shows it says 9 assists and only 1 rebound, therefore your entire argument about Steve Nash not being a real MVP is invalid since you don't know the difference between a rebound and an assists. Its obvious you just made this video with a stupid argument just to get views, anyone who knows basketball knows Steve Nash is a top 10 point guard of all time
Making some valid points but those Suns teams from 2005-2007 were just not stout enough defensively and they were playing their Kryptonite at that time, the Spurs. Having said that, they came from 1-3 deficit against the Lakers in I think 2005 and Nash was unguardable Also, in 2007 they actually went into the Spurs building in Game 5 and beat them only to lose Amare and Diaw to suspensions in Game 6 at home. So they lose that game at home and then lose in SA in Game 7. That was their year to break through and it was derailed due to a heavy handed rule interpretation. But Nash balled out in that series as well. The year Bibby ran through him he was killing everybody. The Kings ran a version of the Princeton Offense with Pete Carill, its architect, as an Assistant Coach of Rick Adelman. You remember that the Bigs, Vlade Divac and Chris Webber handled the ball a lot and Bibby played off the ball a lot like a two guard. That team played unselfishly and ran a lot of plays to get Bibby clean looks. So yes, he killed Nash but I remember he killed the Shaq and Kobe Lakers in that era as well. Mike was nice. Anyway, I loved Nash's game on the offensive side of the ball and I think he deserves all the credit he gets. As far as two MVPs, who knows? You could have chosen Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, or Dirk or Dwyane Wade in almost any year in that era.
Should have made his first finals in 07' but he and the suns got royally screwed.
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Horry checked him and injured him. This punk on the video is completely ignoring it. Amare stepped over the line barely and was suspended for game 5. Also Diaw and Barbosa was suspended aswell. You can't win when you're missing players like that. Also in 05 They didn't get any calls and Duncan got like 300 Free throws and wasn't really being fouled.
Yes other than the Scottie Pippen, New York Knicks bogus call, 07 was the biggest screw over of all time. Definitely would've went to the finals without those unwarranted suspensions. Everyone remembers that BS.
rash b don’t forget the Sacramento kings vs La Lakers in WCF. And the 06 Mavericks vs Heat finals. Might be even bigger than the ones you mentioned. Crazy.
Roberto Guevera Great call on Sacramento vs LA! Forgot about that. The only reason I wouldn't do 06 Mavs vs Heat is because Dwayne Wade became the aggressor in that series when he took over. Refs always tend to start to favor the aggressor individually, and Dallas became kind of passive. But that one's arguable, Sacramento getting robbed along with Phoenix and Chicago definitely not.
rash b game three is where they got robbed. So yes. You need to include it. The “aggressor” got calls that were unbelievable. And that carried for the rest of the series.
Coolhands444 I think all of these guys who do videos like this do. It's sad cause the majority of little kids gonna believe this. I remember after that "spacing" video I would go through Dawkins comments and kids was like "Kobe did that with no spacing"
he had a point tho about how just having floor spacers makes it easier to score and gonna be honest not to be offensive but most guys who are warriors and steph curry fans are more commonly "kids" which is fine we all where at one point
DJ true he did have a point, but a lot of them don't even be knowing what they talking about. They just hear it and start typing. I'm 20 and been a Curry fan since the 2012-2013 season bro
He was the best pg in the league for how long? I guess by the same logic of never making a Finals Chris Paul is overrated and Jason Kidd was a better player than him? Your tripping the man pioneered a style of bssketball that didn't exist at the time. Other players have done it better since but they had Steve Nash to learn from, he was the first "efficient ball dominant guard " to push the pace of play. His teammate are not in the same category as Kobe and Duncan's who won 10 championships over the span of Nash carrier Bottomline he ran into better players with more talented teams. I'm not even a fan but I get tired of people pushing this narrative that if you don't win a ring your some trash ass athlete who never amounted to anything. Its the reason why guess like Durant make punk moves because of the judgement that's passed on them by fans and the media. Also since when is it a bad thing to excel in a system set up by your coaching staff? I thought that was their job to put you in a position to succeed. Now he's not one of the most efficient players the league has ever seen he's a role player playing in a good system come on. MVP is a regular season award FYI it has nothing to do with finals and championships. The Sun's went wherever Nash took then that's why he was MVP because on the back of a 30 year old 6 foot something guard that looked like he should of been in dental school the sun's out up multiple 50 plus win seasons.
Nash benefited from the NBA rule changes in the early 2000’s. When once the league started making the game more guard friendly, his stats went on an up swing.
Steve Nash should’ve made the finals and should’ve won a chip. When Robert Horry threw Nash into the scorers table at game 4 of the 2007 WCF Amar’e Stoudemire (Who, might I add, was on the All-NBA First Team that year) and Boris Diaw (Extremely Versatile do-it all Player who averaged 8 points to go along with 4 rebounds and four assists) got suspended from game 5 because they got on the court (didn’t even participate in the ensuing fight) and because of this the Suns got beat in game 5, on their own home court, by 3 points. It’s fair to say that with Stoudemire they would’ve won that game 5 bringing them up 3-2 and even if they still lost game 6 they probably would have won game 7 on their home court. They were a better team than the Spurs, who beat the Cavs in 4, so it’s fair to say they were a better team than the Cavs as well, and probably would have trashed them in 4-6 games. Also, while it is fair to say Dirk and LBJ could have won the MVP in ‘07 there was no way Nash didn’t deserve it in ‘06, cause back then the MVP was less of a stat based award and more a storyline/win/affect on team award, and that was a year Nash changed a 20 win team to a 62 win one, while putting up great stats and changing the way the game was played. Also, like I said it was less a statline and more a storyline based NBA, so saying Kobe should have won in ‘06 is really dumb considering his team won less games than WBs in ‘17 despite having the same level, if not less help, and the storyline would have been ‘Kobe can’t win without Shaq, let’s shit hit the floor, blows 3-1 lead’ and you might say that the MVP is a regular season award, and if that’s so why are most if not all of your anti-MVP points playoff based?
How can you be overrated when everyone keeps talking trash about you all the time. Nash was a great player and probably in that second level of superstars. Hes better than a lot of players that people claim are better than him. Its ridiculous that anyone thinks hes overrated.... only people that think that are the kobestani radicals that defaced Lebron's mural and believe that Nash stole MVPs from the 8th seeded Kobe.
Everyone stays on Nash’s nuts I nvr hear anyone say anything bad about him. If anything Melo is underrated he used to be overrated but everyone acts like he’s trash now💀
Bro, he had 10 straight seasons running top 10 offenses (most of the time top 5 offenses) in offensive rating. God damn dude sometimes just running down the fucking court and getting into the offense is the MOST valuable activity one could do. See Chris Paul
@@SkySeduceMe shouldnt won once not even a top 7 player in the league and in 06 the spurs and mavs had a better record. In that case even tony parker could of won mvp
@@Coldskin1 I’m really confused, the sins were mediocre before he got there the first year he comes in and they’re in contention, how does that compare to tony Parker who was a totally different player?
Bartholomuew Try ski John Stockton is my favorite point guard but people said he used to just pass to malone down low and hope he scored lol That's why malone is second in scoring all time and first in free throws made.
There is no argument for Kobe deserving the mvp over Steve Nash in 06. I'm tired of hearing people saying that. Finally someone talking about Dirk as the most obvious candidate, although I still believe Nash deserved it. Mike D'Antoni is one of the most overrated coaches in NBA history. If you look at his coaching career, his "system only works when he has a star guard to facilitate it. The narrative of Steve Nash being a system player is false. He made that system. In 06, Steve Nash lost his second best player for the entire season along with multiple injuries to many other important player son the team, Steve Nash still managed to get a top 4 record in the NBA. He also did this while leading the league in assists, having his mist points per game of his career and having one of the most efficient shoot years ever going 52/44/92. Steve Nash is a top 5 point guard all time. Maybe top 3. He is no where near overrated
OMG!!!!!!!!!! I was done at the 1:17 mark when you said Steve Nash was overrated. Stop making videos and polling people who dont know anything about basketball. Steve Nash beat dirk, kobe and tim duncan in the playoffs. How can you be overrated when you are beating all time greats in the playoffs? Lets talk facts, when he was with dallas they made the WCF against the spurs and Dirk got hurt in game 3 and missed the rest of the series. He goes to the suns at team that won 28 games and were then a 58 win team and once again got to the WCF and guess what he had no Joe Johnson who broke his face in the dallas series. The suns didnt want to pay joe johnson, que richardson and steven hunter so all those dudes are gone. Amare gets hurt and crazy thing is they still make the WCF and he beat kobe in the process after Kobe was up 3-1 and to add to it Steve Nash made kobe quit in game 7. Kobe was called out for quitting and had to go on TnT to defend himself. Lets please talk about the 2007 Western semi finals. The series where for some reason the suns player get suspended for leaving the bench but for some reason tim duncan and bruce bowen dont get suspended after elson dunks on james jones and they get off the bench quickly after they bump chests. Do you realize that every team in the 2000's ruffed up steve nash in the playoffs. The spurs alone broke his nose, took out one of his eyes and hip checked him into the scorers table with 3 seconds left in the game. Against the lakers Kwame brown checked steve nash on a pick and roll and raja bell shortly clothes lined kobe. I love how Steve Nash is the best point guard in the NBA from 2003-2010 and he is some how overrated. He beat stockton, mike bibby, chauncey billups, tony parker, sam cassell just to note some in the playoffs. A guy who is Mr 50-40-90 for a season and only played better in the playoffs like when he averaged 33 points and 14 assist a game vs the mavs in that playoff series. Im sorry this is a joke of a video.
@@metavita7344 doesn't change the fact that Nash beat him and TD (yes, Nash lost to them as well).. Tim Duncan being the arguably the best PF of all time, with a stacked team and a HoF coach.. Dirk being top 5 -10 PF of all time.. he beat these 2 in the playoffs, yet LoW branded him overrated..
I really don't feel like Nash is overrated. He was very consistent, even late in his career. Sure the Suns system helped, but Nash was still a very good player in Dallas and L.A. Without Nash the Suns would not have been as great as they were. If he had stayed in Dallas he might have had a chance to win a ring there too(ik he didn't win in Phoenix but he had chances) Every body has a way they like to play, you can't criticize him for that. And he won MVP not because of his raw stats, he won because of the huge impact. Not saying him not winning a ring isn't on him at all, but he did have some unfortunate circumstances people might not know about. Watch Mike Korzemba's vid for more info on that
Why are people always making this hard? You ask how Nash never made it to an NBA Finals but won 2 regular season MVPs. Easy. Basketball is a team game, MVP is an individual award, and a regular season award at that, when they don't go all out on defense and they pace themselves. Yes, I know how all of you want to create this narrative that a truly great player can do most of the heavy lifting himself, but history has shown that nobody, not even MJ, was able to do it by themselves. We just gave the award to Westbrook. And Harden. Post season chokers. Why are we wondering about Nash? We have a well-documented history of giving that trophy to the undeserving, and often to someone who is NOT the best player in the league that season. So why should Nash be any different?
The Chi-Town Hero well believe it or not I barely here anyone mentions Steve Nash where I live but man I agree with you especially Moses Malone he’s so underrated but his impact was undeniable, he was a superstar
Nash could score at will. An the fact that he still put his team first. Said alot to how great he was! With his shot, his craftiness, an ability to score from anywhere. Nash could of easily gave teams a 30 piece nugget on a nightly basis...PERIOD!
If you know basketball, they were gonna beat the San Antonio Spurs but Amare got suspended for stepping on the court during a altercation. He actually truly underrated
@@nashwoods1885 rigged my a$$!!!! Your team choked like they always have....so stop making excuses and man up!!! They were never a championship team....and we were!!!!!
Carmelo Anthony is overrated. Kid ain’t even a top 100 player of all time, maybe not even top 250, he is trash. Even with his prime years when he was unquestionably GREAT at basketball, he was trash in terms of his impact and achievement in the league. He is also a pretty awful human being. Such a waste of talent, his career when you look back on it has been a joke. Fluffed up stats on bad teams, no will to win, selfish, petty money chaser.
@@tribj001 pretty awful human being? man shut yo ass up. do you know melo personally? Smh not top 100 player when did you start watching basketball smh
KE TV James Bird Dr j Baylor Pippen Barry Worthy Kd that will move up much more since still in the middle of his prime Kawhi can righteously be considered better than melo I don't really know if it's correct to say Dominique is better than melo but it's a reasonable contender for the 10 th spot. Giannis is showing all the signs that he will be way superior than melo. So there you go it's possible to say that melo isn't top 10 Though I admit it's a bit of a stretch
LOW is so damn stupid to say Steve Nash is just a system player when you realize that he was the system. Just like Tom Brady in football, he made the system of that team work and successful.
Here's where your wrong... First off the Nellie system and D'Antoine system is the same, so let me debunk the narrative that it was the system in Phoenix that made Nash MVP real quick. Same system lol. You cherry pick the Dallas years too much to try to win your argument when he was the 3rd best player on those teams, compare him to Bibby from the King's their best player to Nash, The Mavericks 3rd best player at the time. Dirk should have stepped up that series. The Sun's were 29-53 in 2003, so your narrative of them being "loaded" when it's the same team, same coach with the minor addition of Richardson is debunked totally. Then after that year in 2005-6 you take Amar'e, Joe Johnson, Richardson away, they still make it to the WCF and that narrative of Nash being "surrounded by talent" gets totally debunked further, becomes clear that Steve Nash accompanied by one solid player ,Marion could win with basically bench players, and we saw this year after year. After 2004-5 the Sun's top brass knew this, and exploited it. You strengthen that argument pointing out the aquisition of a old washed up Shaq, which was a terrible experiment. Then later they get rid of Shaq, add scrub players that don't clog the lane and it's back to the WCF. The Phoenix Sun's without Nash is the biggest hole in your theory. Where would Mike D'Antoine be? What did Stoudemire do in New York? Was he really a "max player?"...No...Joe Johnson? No...Shawn Marion?...No... Boris Diaw? No... So if your STILL can't see Nash was sole responsible for the success then you never will and there's something else involved not wanting you to believe it:). The reason why Nash was so successful when he got to Phoenix was that before coming to that team he worked harder, plain and simple. His body, even in your videos changed and his training regime was advanced and ahead of the times. His condition by the time he came back to Phoenix was prime. We over look the obvious when numbers can't tell you hard work pays off and he wasn't the same player. Other players such as Gilbert Arenas, worked harder too, came from nowhere, was an all-star. Hard work helps. Finally the MVP/Championship argument. The valid reason why Nash never won a championship was because of Tim Duncan. If Tim Duncan tears his achilles and doesn't play in any of the Sun's/Spurs playoffs those Sun's teams go on and win championships. Defensive liability... Absolutely!...He was 6'1 183 pounds, he was a small player. It was an obvious weakness
1. Almost every player thrives on a specific system. Ask Duncan to play in a run and gun system and let's see what happens. Ask Curry to play in the grit and grind 2000 Pistons alnd let's see what happens. Specific system argument is weak and shallow thinking. 2. Steve Nash does not deserve 2 MVPs. 2005-2006 MVP should've gone to Dirk or LeBron. Kobe's 35 Pts/G season is overrated and should've not been blown out of proportion. 3. "They added Jamison, Walker, Howard, Daniels to the roster to make a run for the final", or something like that. You talked as if Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels were highly touted players to begin with. Howard was not expected to be that good, he just turned that good. Daniels is undrafted, picked up to fill in a slot. So, no, although maybe they have aspirations to reach the finals, those 2 are not brought in because they want to reach the finals. 4. How much more does he need to win a championship? Like how much the Celtics, Spurs, Heat, GSW, etc. had to win a championship. The only team less talented overall than the Suns to win the championshion is the Mavs. The Raptors championship roster, although not top heavy talented, is 10-man deep. Conclusion, Steve Nash is great but not on the same conversation as the Stockton's, etc. When you look at it carefully, even Chris Paul is better than Steve Nash. That does not make him a less of a great player. A little overrated but not too much overrated as you pointed out.
Shaq in '05, and Kobe in '06, SERIOUSLY, didn't deserve to win MVPs; even if Nash hadn't of won them. Let's not forget that the HEAT were in a weak Eastern Conference, Shaq was past the tipping point, in his decline phase (even in '05), and it's not like Shaq had one of his better seasons. Above anything, he had JUST been a huge part as to why a dynasty was broken up. You want to reward him right after that happened? MVP to guy who walked away from winning, to winning on something closer to on his own terms? That's not selfish? Kobe in '06, sure, he had a great year. But any greater than LeBron the same year? I don't see it. And as goes with Shaq, this was less than 2 years after Kobe refused to continue on as Shaq's sidekick (as he said to Phil Jackson), breaking up a dynasty for personal reasons. I don't see why you'd want to honor either completely selfish players. Of note, Shaq (and Kobe) always get on Nash for winning that MVP, yet, why can't Shaq ever go after the year A.I. won it? Shaq was at his absolute best then! Is it easier to do because A.I. has all of the street cred in the world, so that wouldn't be too cool? I think I know why Shaq (and Kobe) go after Nash, and it's because he's an easier target (who's not viewed as being as cool as A.I.).
@Hurricane ED I understand basketball is a team game but the whole point of the game is to put the basket in the ball. And Shaq def was the best player at doing that for a min,so yes he def should’ve had at least 6 mvps. MVP gets messy when u involve the team aspect, which is why there’s never MVPs on teams that win 20 games. If you really believe Steve Nash was a better player than Kobe in 06, them all I can say is good luck in school fam🤣.
@Puffin FromYT More efficient? I guess if youre not counting defense..Which in that case im sure alot of people were. But as an all around player hell no..its actually not even close tbh
No way my man balled out in his 30s! Okay maybe he got more assists because of the system he played in but come on he was a very consistent shooter !!!, come on my man Steve is a legend 💯
I remember that MVP race. It was between Nash and Kobe. Kobe was playing hero ball but the Lakers were in the bottom half of the playoff picture. Nash's team was at the top of the conference
Utter Proof Nash is the most Overrated player in NBA History. Nash won 2 MVPs Stockton never finished higher than 7th Now lets compare Nashs 2 MVP season to Stocktons best 2 seasons, Surely Nash is LIGHT YEARS BETTER right??? Nash 04-05 vs Stockton 88-89 PPG - 15.5 vs 17.1 = Stockton by 1.6 PPG APG - 11.5 vs 13.6 = Stockton by 2.1 APG RPG - 3.3 vs 3.0 = Nash by 0.3 RPG SPG - 1.0 vs 3.2 = Stockton by 2.2 SPG TO - 3.3 vs 3.8 = Nash by 0.5 TO FG% - .502 vs .538 = Stockton by .036 So Stockton has more Points, Assist, Steals and a better FG%. Nash is just BARELY Better at Rebounds (for a PG) and a few less Turnovers. Nash 05-06 vs Stockton 89-90 (there are actually a few years you can use for Stockton here) PPG - 18.8 vs 17.2 = Nash by 1.6 PPG APG - 10.5 vs 14.5 = Stockton by 4.0 APG RPG - 4.2 vs 2.6 = Nash by 1.6 RPG SPG - 0.8 vs 2.7 = Stockton by 1.9 SPG TO - 3.5 vs 3.5 = EVEN (though Nash had 276 TO to Stocktons 272) so Stockton by 4 TOs FG% - .512 vs .514 = Stockton by .002 Now I will combined the hard stats for BOTH years. Nash 04-05-06 vs Stockton 88-89-90 Points - 2,654 vs 2,745 = Stockton by 91 Points Assists - 1,687 vs 2,252 = Stockton by 586 Assist Rebounds - 582 vs 454 = Nash by 128 Rebounds Steals - 135 vs 470 = Stockton by 335 Steals TO - 521 vs 580 = Nash by 59 FGM - 971 vs 969 = Nash by 2 Just to reiterate. Nash won 2 MVPs, Stockton 7th in 88-89, and 9th in 89-90.
Or did that mean Stockton was screwed by voters? Stockton = Nash. PG were never respected by MVP voters. Maybe Nash changed it when they realized how important they could be.
Well in all honesty pretty much nobody cares what he has to say. He can't speak proper english, does not know that much about basketball and just keeps on babbling "2K this and 2K that".
In that 2009 season coach Porter tried to make the suns a defensive team, and all suns fans know that Nash and Amar'e, the teams best players, were not defensive players. And Porter was definitely lacking in the offensive side of the ball. Nash was never the type of player that had the killer instinct. If you're a stats guy, of course you would want him to shoot more because he was so effecient but we all know stats don't tell the whole truth. He was a team first player, he made everyone better with his passing. Even at the latter of his career, the suns were a .500 team during a lock out season, to a 25 win team once he left.
Can't rly blame steve nash for being part of a system because you can use that argument for any player. If you are the star player of a team the system is essentially designed around you and its the matter of how you utilise it. Tbh Nash is probably underrated for what he achieved under that system when you look at what James Harden is doing right now.
he directly benefited from the rule changes implemented and lobbied to the commissioner by the coangelos who are connected to Phoenix. He'd be forgotten if he didn't have that unfair advantages and ended up in that phx system.
Honestly I think Steve Nash is rated appropriately, not overrated. No one speaks of him as if he is top 10 all time or anything. To me he is around top 30-40 all time and arguably a top 10 PG of all time which is impressive. He was amazing in those years in Phoenix, I was a huge fan of his and wish he would have at least made the Finals. It just was never meant to be for him which is a shame. But I never watched the Suns lose and thought that it was because of him. If anything, I think he deserved to win a couple of years and didn't, especially 2007 against the spurs, because losing Amare AND Diaw was a huge reason the lost! I saw that series and they looked like the better team.
Nash could easily be a top 5 PG of all time.. his prime was elite level play. I'd place him behind Magic, Stockton, Robertson, and on par with Steph... I'd take Nash over Thomas, Paul and Kidd.
Cmon a finals appearance when you know we got hoed in against the spurs in the wcf nash was cooking that whole series and the team was giving san antonio work and when even refs from that game said they were told to favor the spurs in calls like cmon bro also how is your argument for nash being overrated is his time in dallas when in dallas he was at best the 3rd scoring option behind dirk and finley his job was basically to set up and shoot off them
The suspension also included Boris Diaw, Alvin Gentry was the coach in 2010 so he did it without Dantoni, also the reason they say he didn’t have enough help is because normally when a team has a poor defensive PG they have a center in the paint to help cover that up and the suns to this date have never had a good center let’s hope Deandre Ayton changes that and too add on the the lack of help theory he had the Stat injury along side a consistent flow of roster changes and the suns were probably only 6 deep an never had a backup for Nash Sarver traded TONS of draft picks in the Dantoni era including a top 10 pick that was Loul Deng and Rajon Rondo... So Sarver ignorance and the lack of a deep roster is why we never won and the refs didn’t help either saying he’s overrated is ridiculous if not showing up in big moments makes you overrated a lot of players are overrated
Great player but not in my top 20 GOATs or even top 3 PG. My top 5 starts with Magic - technically not a PG, then Big O and Stockton. 4th is Curry - who I think will be in top 10 GOATs and maybe #1-2 PG at the end of his career. Then Isiah who I hate at #5. I prefer Gary Payton and Kidd over Nash because they were two way players. All the guys above went to the Finals, many of them multiple times. So Nash is NOT even #6 or #7 PG but you also have to compare him to Walt Frazier, Tiny Archibald, Westbrook, Kevin Johnson, Iverson, Cousy and CP3. All those guys went to finals and even won a Ring, except CP3 and Nash. CP3 has similar numbers but slightly better because he has more scoring ability and plays better D. The truth is Nash isn't overrated - Nash might not even be #10 PG Goat, so the truth is his MVP seasons were overrated.
You're crying... Complaining... And absolutely hating... You can critique a guy's career without blatantly showing all that negativity... Get out ya feelings...
Nash was one of my favorite players back in the day. The biggest complaint on his career was his MVP’s and defense. He deserved the first MVP. The team didn’t work without him. The second is questionable. I would say if he was more aggressive offensively he could have had a better career. He was a good shooter, just passive.
Shawn Kemp at the beginning of the video it showed a pole of where people ranked him an 47 percent of people had him at top 30. So he is overrated as we both agree
The same reason he never made the finals is the same reason that stockton and malone never won, there was just a better team during that era that they just can’t knock off
I agree with a lot of what your saying here. This is coming from a Suns fan who became a fan because of Steve Nash, he's probably one of if not my favourite player of all time. Still Nash was definitely a system player, theirs no doubt. My problem is figuring out what exactly to make of that, after all it's like you said, I don't like concentrating on hypotheticals, in that case what can be done about it really, we can't know what is career would look like if he hadn't been traded. Personally I think he's 7th all time among PG's, that's behind Stockton, CP3, Thomas, Curry, Oscar and Magic. All time he's somewhere between 30-35, is that overrating him? What exactly does it even mean to be overrated, where should he rank exactly do you think?
V.I.B'Z that system player criticism is probably the most half baked ass criticism anyone can come up with for any sport. I’ve always hated that criticism because it’s just a way to undermine a players hard work and his success, that’s all. Nash was the system and that’s final, that system thrived because of him and people are really forgetting that. Just like MJ, Kobe, Lebron, Curry, Johnson etc. all the legends had a “system” that allowed them to thrive and play at their best. Maybe I’m being biased or being triggered simply because I grew up idolizing Steve Nash and emulating how I use to play basketball off of him but that system player point is just idiotic to me.
Nash made the system for the Suns. If you're actually a Suns fan then you would know without Nash there would be no system that's why the Suns were so bad the year before he showed up.
Those Phoenix suns were constructed with inside knowledge from Mr Colangelo who was the chairman of teams operations att and one of the leads of the NBA rule changes comettee in the early 2000s. They built the team to take an early advantage of the changes to come, that's why they seemed like they were ahead of their time, and the reason many think Nash is not as good as it seems since his game benefited the most from those advantages.
D’Antoni taking the Warriors superteam to 7 games in the WCF and losing because his entire team chocked was a more impressive achievement than most teams finals runs. Suns in 2021 for instance.
I think you are connecting mvp award to postseason success, while it's based solely on someone's regular season stats. There were many mvps who performed badly in playoffs. Most recent being westbrook, and your beloved dirk got smacked by warriors in the 1st round just after he won his mvp (not hating on dirk, it's just that you used him so much in this video)
Have you ever thought of the possibility that Steve Nash made all of his teammates better? He played with a declining Shawn Marion, a Grant Hill permanently stunted by his knee injury, and an Amare Stoudimire, who was expected to lead the Knicks as a franchise player, but strait up sucked. He made all of his teammates better than they actually were.
The words overrated and bust are being overused
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You can argue underperformed, but not overrated.
Yaga James strongly agreed
In my opinion, the Suns system was successful because of Steve Nash, not the other way around. I remember when he got injured and the Suns lost like 9 of the 11 games he sat out. That team wouldn’t have done nearly as much if you replaced him.
Also this man just said the 3rd all time assists leader wouldn’t be a hall of famer if he didn’t win MVP bruh come on.
dcanemone43 mark jackson was previously 3rd in assists, he’s not in the Hall of game and never will be.
It's a great system, if you have one of the best pure point guards of all time. How many could fill that role? Kidd, maybe. Stockton, probably... That's about it.
@Ice Sickle Stockton just didn't have the same run & gun style as Nash. That doesn't mean one is better than the other, but if you put Stockton or Kidd in the system under which Nash thrived, they may not do as well as Nash did it - or as well as they did in their respective offenses for that matter.
Ice Sickle he was definitely better than Stockton. Watch The nba storytellers video on Stockton.
Ice Sickle cuz of Malone not Stockton. Stockton can’t dribble with his left hand. He was never as good as Nash.
Ok, I don’t want to be that guy, but the MVP is a regular season award.
So True. LOW IS SO STUPID.
Yes but being the mvp should translate to the postseason
Andy22 He still very good in playoffs
Ik it was more just about the original comment
But being an MVP caliber player means you should melt in the post season...WTF!
Is Legend Of Winning One Of The Most Overrated RUclipsrs of All-Time?
juanharrybear underrated
Nah thats definitely Mike Korzemba🤣💯 bros content is becoming toxic af
Serene ThaDream how what sound dumb 😂😂🤦♂️
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Nah I'm may not a 100% agree but he made some good points
This is the most UNDERRATED player of ALL TIME!!!!!
3rd all time in assists.. He averaged 9.4 assists per game throughout his career in Phoenix alone.
Led the league in assists 5 times, essentially dominating the passing game in the 2000's.
Ninth all time in 3 point shooting percentage and he wasn't even a specialized shooter.
4 seasons where Nash recorded 40% from 3, 50% from the field and 90% from the line... and was one free throw shy of 5.. most all time by far.
The best free throw shooter in the history of the game at 90.43% which is unheard of.
But the BIGGEST reason why he was underrated wasn't his stats.. but the way he played the game.. there will never be a more intelligent, cunning and artistic guard like him ever again.. his no looks, behind the backs and through opponent leg passes are strange to this sport.. he's really only appreciated by soccer fans because his play is reminiscent of Lionel Messi, just absolute brilliance every time he touched the basketball.
For fuck sake he gave Stoudemire perfect passes with his head and feet at the 2005 slam dunk contest.
And even more, he was a ruthless sniper from beyond the arc... Every time this man shot a 3 it didn't just go in, he swished it... The ONLY REASON Steph Curry is even a thing is because Nash didn't style his game after the three point shot... because if Steve actually looked to style his game as a shooter rather than a passer he would have probably been hailed as the best shooter in history and Steph would have been what James is to Jordan.. an afterthought.
He was such a perfect shooter in fact that when he would miss a free throw (usually in an out the rims) the crowd and announcers would be stunned that it was possible... I'd trust Nash taking a shot over Steph, and he wasn't even a shooter.
Most Underrated player BY FAR... it's not even close, the only reason he never won a ring was playing for really really shit defensive teams.
Honestly, I feel like Steve Nash is one of the most underrated players in NBA history...
SUPER SAMMICH How is he underrated? He won 2 MVPs and is called an all time great. Not everyone is over or underrated, some people are appropriately rated.
ADAJ3 A lot of people, like LOW, and a very salty Shaq, say that he did not deserve any of his MVP's or awards, and that he benefited from a Mike D'Antoni system, and changed rules. How many times have you heard that Shaq or Kobe deserved to win it over Nash?
ADAJ3 if Steve Nash is really being called an all time great they've really lowered there standards on what they considered an all time great that was a word we reversed players like magic bird Jordan etc
hes not underrated but i cant say hes overrated either.
Meek exactly
Calling Steve Nash overrated is probably one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. If anything Nash is underrated because people forget how good he was in his prime.
And he didn't make the NBA Finals because he isn't that great.
Nicholas Katsikas no u
- TJ no that was on Phoenix’s front office being cheap and not signing back Joe Johnson on a long term contract. Johnson was so important to that team because of his spacing and ability to slow the game down in iso situations.
@@nicholaskatsikas4904 it's like you didn't even watch the video. They couldn't match the contract the hawks offered him
@@tj-23 they were in the West. That's all that needs to be said.
I agree with you except the fact that if you take away Nash’s MVPs he’s not a HOFer. He’s still 8x All-Star, 7x All-NBA, 5x Assist Leader. That’s HOF worthy. Especially if a guy like Reggie Miller is getting in being a 5x All-Star and 3x All-NBA (all 3rd team) in 18 seasons.
Underrated post!
"(player 1) must be HOF caliber cause (player 2) is and he had less (x) statistically than (player 1)" If we use that logic, anyone more accomplished than the least accomplished player in the HOF should make it in.
Chris Hessian the basketball HOF compared to the other professional leagues is easier to get into. I only used Reggie as an example because those who’ve watched LOW’s videos know he already did a video on Reggie Miller. The man averaged 18-3-3 lol.
The example doesn't matter. I'm only commenting on the reasoning you use. Every player who averaged over 18-3-3 should be in the HOF? Obviously not. The standards are low for the HOF, but they'd be even lower if everyone was put in based on comparing them statistically to another HOFer. Context, ya know?
Not to mention Nash is the leader for the 50/40/90 club over Larry Bird, Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, etc.
Dude is a top 5 playmaker and debatably top 5 shooter of all time. There's no question he'd still be a HOF candidate.
Nash wouldn’t make the HOF without the MVPs??? Seriously???
- 8x All-Star
- 7x All-NBA
- 5x assist leader
- One of only 5 players in league history with 10k assists
- most 50/40/90 seasons ever
- 1st all-time in FT%
- top 15 in 3PT%
Like c’mon this is still easily a HOF resume
Y’all say Harden was an undisputed MVP playing in the D’Antoni 2.0 System but act like Nash doesn’t deserve his MVP’s because he’s a “system player” in the same offense.
Smh the hate too real 🤦♂️
I agree. MVP should be given to the MOST IMPACTFUL PLAYER and Nash was just that. Like LBJ is every year. I don't believe Harden was MVP or should ever be do to his consistent lack of effort on defense. Even though LBJ isn't always consistent on defense but he still has a much larger impact in other major areas than Harden . I sometimes feel that if you replace Harden with KD, or a Curry-type you would get a similar result that the Rockets got. Where-as, if LBJ was on the Hawks last year they would at least make it to the playoffs, and I don't believe any other player could do that solo!
Mackenzie Macdonald Preach brother man
If you put harden and Nash 1v1 harden will destroy Nash on both sides of the ball rebounds everything. Nash is overrated because he is an average guy passing the ball to above average (ability wisely) nba players does absolutely nothing impressive NOTHING he understands angles and how to get his teammate a high quality shot but those shots came through constant motion not because they had to double team Nash but through motion and double teams on amare... the lakers probably had to double because they had smush Parker at PG
@@SkySeduceMe Can I get you to come to my daughters birthday party? The last clown cancelled
@@Mikeyboyx12 lol that was good actually 🤣
Naaaaa. The player that holds the record for most 50-40-90 seasons is overrated? Na...questioning his MVP’s because he didn’t make it to the finals is like questioning hardens mvp. Nash is also one of the best free throw shooters. Let’s please stop disrespecting our legends with these type of videos. Every player has a bad game/series. What’s next? Kobe or MJ is overrated?
Nash was a fucking wizard, he honestly wouldve done so well in the current NBA.
"Let’s please stop disrespecting our legends" Well said. But they want clicks. That's what click whores want.
That's because the NBA now is an offensive centered game and all about numbers.
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Took his team from 29 wins to 62 with no other major additions, he shot around 50+/45/90+ from the field, he averaged a dozen assists, he didn't turn the ball over.
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The last two MVP's had trouble shooting 40% from the field & both averaged about 6 turnovers a piece. 6 fucking turnovers. Nash averaged the same assist numbers with half the turnovers.
We should be embarrassed about letting stat padders & losers win MVP. Russell's MVP is much more embarrassing & far less deserved than Steve's.
Hell no . Steve Nash and overrated should never be used in the same sentence .
steve nash isn't overrated; that could be a sentence xD
Judas cry about it.
Dank Funny he's not.
Arthur Noragami ??? Weeboo who watches Nba just like me 😳
+Arthur P. You literally have Steve Nash and overrated in the same sentence.
So is Tim Duncan overrated because he was a system player his whole career even though he was very talented? How about Harden he thrives in a similar system to Nash and won an MVP, so he’s also overrated?
Is Steph Curry overrated because he’s a 2x MVP? When everyone who truly understands the NBA knows that Curry has never been the best player - Lebron was and still is. Also, James Harden and Westbrook didn’t lead their teams to the finals in their MVP seasons so are they both now overrated?
Duncan was legit dominant. I can’t name 3 power forwards Ide take over Duncan. In fact he might be the best ever. But with Nash I can name Atleast 8
Airgens Nash was a winner as well. Nash arrives in Phoenix they go from a 29 win team to a 62 win team and make the WCF.
But if you are using the term “winning” to mean championships then yeah, you’re right, Duncan was a winner compared to Nash. But I’ll ask again, if not winning a championship makes Nash overrated then are Westbrook, Harden and CP3 all overrated too?
BLOCKED BY JAMES Tim Duncan thrived because of the system Popovich put in place, thereby making him a “system player”
But I think you missing my point. I’m in no way saying Duncan wasn’t a great player. I’m simply making the argument that if Nash is labeled as overrated because of the reasons LOW gave, then shouldn’t other players who fall into those categories similar to Nash also be considered overrated?
Garrett Corn no because Duncan was great right away it took Nash nearly a decade to be great and just overall Duncan is a better basketball. Duncan outside of SA would be the same player with a different uniform
Garrett Corn His argument wasn’t making the finals in your mvp seasons. Both Harden and Westbrook made it to finals with OKC.
I was going to finish watching this, but why? You just said a single player is responsible for making a WHOLE team win the championship! Enough, I could have got this bullsh*t at the barbershop.
Talk about systems? Kobe didn't win without the Triangle offense, nor did MJ. So what are we really talking about here?🤔
Tony Cook ur ignorance is super strong lol haha. Like hardcore they didn’t fully use the triangle it was at most a couple of plays sorry try again . N the pace the suns played gave a lot more posseions. No way in hell u would think of. Nash as a top 20 guard
Nestor Cuero bro ur crazy Nash was the system without Nash that Phoenix team isn’t anything he made that team a great team he was the most valuable player in the league stop hating bro ur the one that sounds ignorant and Kobe and Michael did flourish from that system but that shouldn’t be used to discredit any of these guys so stop and do not say he’s not a top 20 guard what other guard has ever aged his number in that era that was also heavily about grit and defense cmon bro stop hating
But they put up HOF numbers with or without the triangle.
Mary Akopyan didn’t win nothing without the triangle
Triangle offense hurt MJ and Kobe’s numbers, without the triangle MJ have absolute monsters numbers. Son you are comparing a system that hurts a players numbers but win champions vs a system helps player number with no rings
"Steve Nash was the system"
He created the system in Phoenix that is the prototype for what many teams do now. It's just that Nash didn't have enough shooters around him. If Joe Johnson stayed, they would have won titles. Just one more gun and that would have put them over the top. Coaching and the GM's mistakes are why Nash didn't get over the hump.
Dantoni doing the same shit with harden. But harden is way more talented than nash could ever hope to be
I think Amare was like......always injured in the post season.
You're wrong 🙄
Johnte Roper nigga barely beat kobe and a d league roster fuck off lls
And some years Nash was injured too. And they STILL routinely made conference finals appearances in the west. During this time period the suns would have killed almost any eastern conference team they played, D'Antoni just could never outcoach Pop (0-7 in playoff series agiesnt pop lol)
Amare miss his second mvp run miss the whole damn season and playoffs soooooo
Ballin Too but they did beat kobe and a d league team so whats your argument 😐
never getting to the finals is definitely a stain on his legacy but when he gets criticized for being one of the weakest mvp winners of all time and sometimes gets labeled as a system player it's kinda hard for him to be overrated
he's a two time mvp one of the three point guards to win it multiple times and he's arguably not even a top 7 point guard that's tough
@@johnc7124 Because he wasn't that good. You're judging him based off of 2 years when he played 18 seasons 🙄
i know he wasn't im saying even tho he has the same amount of mvps as curry,duncan and malone we all know he isn't even the same caliber of player,
@@johnc7124 wait he isn't a top 7 pg of all time?Name 7 pgs better then him. I can name like 4 and debatable on 5 but definitely not 7.
curry,magic,kidd,stockton,west,thomas,cp3,oscar robertson and more arguably westbrook,payton and AI if you count him
Now you say he better offensively than Kobe.
Steve Nash is a HOFer but its safe to say hes overrated. He has as many MVPs as Shaq Kobe and DWade combined. Let that sink in for a minute. Those 3 guys have a combined 12 championships. They were All Nba Defensive players as well as All Nba offensive players who could will their team to a victory by dropping 40points on any given night. Nash could never do that and if he could it would be immediately irrelevant because his defensive level is on par with James Harden. Harden averaged 36ppg and close to 10 assists his mvp year and didnt even make the finals. Nash like Harden are huge liabilities on the defensive side of the court.
Okay so first off, I like you and your videos. But I have to be HONEST here.
Steve Nash might be a little overrated, but you make it sound like he is a damn scrub. Nash was one of the most unlucky players in history (2005 agiesnt the Spurs, Amare's neck injury in the 2007 playoffs, his own thigh injury in 2008). He also consistently made the WCF in the West, which during that time period was essentially the NBA finals when you consider the talent gulf between east and west. Is it his fault that he was on a top 3 team every year that simply wasn't quite the best? Would you have taken his team over the supporting cast of the Spurs, Lakers, Mavs, or Rockets, not to mention the half dozen other secondary contenders. Is it his fault that Mike D'Antoni was notorious for his HORRIBLE playcalls and choices in the clutch, to the point where it was a meme how he could never beat Pop (he still never has btw). Nash was the top point guard in the league for 5 years and consistently preformed in the clutch after the Mavs years. MISS ME with this nonsense.
@ correct! And it's not like anybody says he is even a top 5 PG of all time... nobody even rates him like that. This vid is a little stupid man.
How can he be overrated when he's not even rated that highly by a lot of ppl?
@ mayyybe at a push. I think some combo of Magic, Big O, IT, Stockton, Curry, Kidd, West, and CP3 will usually crowd him out of the top 5 tho. Personally I have him in the 5-7 range
@ its True, and the failures were way more about injuries, bad luck and other great teams than Nash's shortcomings. There are only a couple PG's in history who could dream of running that offense with Nash's efficiency, and most players got noticeably worse after leaving Nash. He didn't even MENTION efficiency because he knows how dead his argument would be of he did lol
@ and I HOPE I see the video calling out CP3 for being " overrated" bc he can't make the finals if he is using that criteria to diminish Nash.
Just because he didn’t make the finals u think he’s overrated wow low
@@Comptonx187 they didn't get screwed by the refs twice
@@Comptonx187 you don't win a chip every year some years we got injuries some we underperformed. What I am trying to say is those two years everything went well we had a big chance to win a ring but the nba desides to fuck us
Spurs always exposed overrated nash in the playoffs and nash not fit post up player teammate always pick and roll his plays
vGoatifiedKing I guess Nash not making the finals is somehow 100% his fault 💁♂️
Nah he just is .... screens screens pass to an all star screen screen pass to an all star screen screen oh they doubled my all star should I shoot oh my other all star is open pass. Rondo did it better and he didn’t get an mvp for it
Calling Nash overrated!??! Yea you trippin. Why because he was team first? Make no mistake, the only hit aginst nashes game an legacy was his defense. But not for lack of trying. So please...stop with the disrespect. Because Nash was top 5 point guard all throughout his prime. If he wasn't? Name the 5 pgs over him. An I'll gladly step back an shut up.
Kyrie
@@Skykid6 no chip ok? But I ask again. Name five pgs in nashes era that where better than him? You can't an if you tried. You'd be gettin called a l Liar! by every person who knows even a little about basketball. An again his defense wasn't horrible. He just wasn't athletic enough to stay with the athletic pgs. An he didn't win a chip. Ok are you sayin that makes him a bad pg? But regardless he's a hall of fame all time great pg! That didn't go runnin just because he didn't win a chip.👊 BTW, 2 BACK TO BACK MVPS...not to shabby if ya ask me?
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Oscar Robertson & Bob Cousy??
Great names, dumb argument; OP wins.
Magic, Curry, Oscar Robertson, Stockton, Pistons Isaiah Thomas,
Skykid6 he said top 5 in the league when he played, not all time. Read.
"He NeEvEr MaDe thE FinAls sO He'S OvErRatEd"
stfu
meta vita stfu
He made one with the warriors
@@trollbrochina ....
@@trollbrochina you must've been high
Ben Wallace barely had 6000 points. Nash had 10,000 assist. Nash was a clear hall of famer with or without the mvps he had better stats then Jason Kidd. I feel like there’s the race issue with this take saying he shouldn’t be in. If it was a black dude you would be saying he’s top 10 all time.
Just watched why Carmelo was overrated from Mike 😂
lol me too
Me as well lol
general jay 7 same lol
same
general jay 7 our childhoods being ruined
You talk about how good his team mates were on offense, yet you never talked about how much better every teams offense got when they signed Nash. So many logical fallacies in this video? Harden still hasn't been to the finals, yet hes not considered over rated?
Well actually harden did make it to the finals when he was the 6th man for okc but during his MVP run nah
This video is so disingenuous. The dude wants to argue against the notion that the suns were "cheap" and shows that they were actually 7th in salary(65 million) in 07, but hides the fact the the 3rd highest team...aka his lakers (77 million) had a payroll of almost 12 million more than the suns! You know who had 12 million less than the suns? The 27th place New Orleans (53 million). The suns in regards to salary were pretty close to the median for the league. So yes, when it came to building a championship team, the suns were in fact kind of cheap.
I never expected the suns to win anything any year because I know Nash was just regular season sauce just like harden but harden wasn’t bestowed mvp over somebody else that deserved it like this years mvp was either giannis or bron what if they gave it to... never mind it doesn’t compare Nash is such a weak mvp ability wise it’s hard to compare to harden who can do so much more with his body. Nash never was the best basketball player in the world for 1 year that’s what mvp means to me it’s like performance is one thing but who is clearly the best basketball player side by side Nash was never the best or top 5 in those years he won... his team won but Nash walking on the court and Kobe or lebron walking on the court even Larry bird walking on the court or ai walking on the court is just different.
Clot-in-Eye Joe the gms finessed a lot of players
Harden is definitely overrated
Steve Nash is not overrated. I can see why people say he's overrated but he is not overrated at all. Give some respect to a legend. Bust and overrated is constantly used in sports media too much
Jay Wagner yeh I don’t think he’s overrated I just think he did not deserve those two mvps that he won they were much more deserving to guys like Kobe, wade, shaq, kg
The voting the reason he won mvps. He almost won 3 Mvps🤦. 06. The spurs and mavs had better records and nash not even a superstar.
@@ytvas6271 Nobody's winning an MVP without making the playoffs nowadays.
@Fries he was def 05 mvp, 06 he won mvp cuz the suns where putting almost the same production without there second best player
@Fries dirk deserve mvp in 06, nut nash def deserve in 05. 07 he was second in voting and barely lost the award
So Nash is Harden without the massive points 🤷🏽♂️😂 relax Nash was amazing not didn’t deserve the 2nd MVP but still a great PG.
he’s not saying that people r dating he’s better than he actually is he’s not as great as everyone thinks
They both are different... one was mad efficient with his shooting who delivered 10+ assists in his prime years while the other gives crazy volume scoring with good assists & good post D...
RazorRamon Nash is Stockton without the defence or efficiency.
@Austen Hernandez even though I think Nash > Stockton (it’s a better comparison no doubt)
N8ve Jay fair enough, either way it’s just another example of a passing guard getting no love.
I feel like these vids would really benefit from a actual 1on1 debate with someone with opinions countering yours but ether way these vids are great
if anything steve nash is underrated and heavily disrespected
Facts, this dude is one of the greatest PG of all time. Its sad that people dont appreaciate him more smh steve nash will always be a legend tho
Christian Hernandez facts he is like top 5 or 3 all time he just gets disrespected and gets hated for getting mvp over Kobe which is bs but rip to Kobe though
Properly Overrated*
I think your arguing that he underachieved for a multiple time MVP winner
Coolhands444 yh he underachieved that’s y he is overrated people put his name in a lot of talk with the great pgs
james had 4 MVP's and only 1 title in a lock out year at one time and still only added 2 lucky chips to that. James has underachieved for a 4 time MVP'.
@ James who
Shawn Kemp we talking bout career right
Not even a top ten pg all time sorry
Take away his two mvps but at the end of the day he’s a top 5 playmaker and top 5 shooter of all time. (Shooter not scorer!) You can’t say that about anyone else
Real Spiel take away those mvps and we aren’t even talking about him.... that’s what this is about the things that make him relevant to media I feel was given to him definitely the second time he should not have won 2.. because he won 2 back to back is the only reason we talk about him because deep down everybody knows that’s a miracle.
Carl Bridgewater Steve Nash has other accomplishments that he is still remembered for today such as having the most 50-40-90 seasons
Melanie Santos like having 4 seasons of them the most ever
Melanie Santos which is an irrelevant statistic just so we can talk about people like Steve Nash
Carl Bridgewater irrelevant is not the right word. If you’re on a list with player such as Dirk, KD, Reggie Miller, Larry Bird, Mark Price, and Steph you’re doing something right. Even you can score 20 points by yourself in an empty gym but you still wouldn’t be as efficient as those guys in an actual game
15:17 "14 points and 9 rebounds" The graphic clearly shows it says 9 assists and only 1 rebound, therefore your entire argument about Steve Nash not being a real MVP is invalid since you don't know the difference between a rebound and an assists. Its obvious you just made this video with a stupid argument just to get views, anyone who knows basketball knows Steve Nash is a top 10 point guard of all time
Making some valid points but those Suns teams from 2005-2007 were just not stout enough defensively and they were playing their Kryptonite at that time, the Spurs.
Having said that, they came from 1-3 deficit against the Lakers in I think 2005 and Nash was unguardable
Also, in 2007 they actually went into the Spurs building in Game 5 and beat them only to lose Amare and Diaw to suspensions in Game 6 at home.
So they lose that game at home and then lose in SA in Game 7. That was their year to break through and it was derailed due to a heavy handed rule interpretation. But Nash balled out in that series as well.
The year Bibby ran through him he was killing everybody. The Kings ran a version of the Princeton Offense with Pete Carill, its architect, as an Assistant Coach of Rick Adelman.
You remember that the Bigs, Vlade Divac and Chris Webber handled the ball a lot and Bibby played off the ball a lot like a two guard.
That team played unselfishly and ran a lot of plays to get Bibby clean looks. So yes, he killed Nash but I remember he killed the Shaq and Kobe Lakers in that era as well.
Mike was nice.
Anyway, I loved Nash's game on the offensive side of the ball and I think he deserves all the credit he gets.
As far as two MVPs, who knows? You could have chosen Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, or Dirk or Dwyane Wade in almost any year in that era.
Should have made his first finals in 07' but he and the suns got royally screwed.
Horry checked him and injured him. This punk on the video is completely ignoring it. Amare stepped over the line barely and was suspended for game 5. Also Diaw and Barbosa was suspended aswell. You can't win when you're missing players like that.
Also in 05 They didn't get any calls and Duncan got like 300 Free throws and wasn't really being fouled.
Yes other than the Scottie Pippen, New York Knicks bogus call, 07 was the biggest screw over of all time. Definitely would've went to the finals without those unwarranted suspensions. Everyone remembers that BS.
rash b don’t forget the Sacramento kings vs La Lakers in WCF. And the 06 Mavericks vs Heat finals. Might be even bigger than the ones you mentioned. Crazy.
Roberto Guevera Great call on Sacramento vs LA! Forgot about that. The only reason I wouldn't do 06 Mavs vs Heat is because Dwayne Wade became the aggressor in that series when he took over. Refs always tend to start to favor the aggressor individually, and Dallas became kind of passive. But that one's arguable, Sacramento getting robbed along with Phoenix and Chicago definitely not.
rash b game three is where they got robbed. So yes. You need to include it. The “aggressor” got calls that were unbelievable. And that carried for the rest of the series.
Tbh I think LOW is making these vids simply to make a vid. And these type of vids typically get a lot of views too.
i mean he is one those players like tmac, pierce,AI and miller who dont get a lot of criticism and are over embellished alot
Coolhands444 I think all of these guys who do videos like this do. It's sad cause the majority of little kids gonna believe this. I remember after that "spacing" video I would go through Dawkins comments and kids was like "Kobe did that with no spacing"
DJ no ppl don't even think Nash deserved his MVPs
he had a point tho about how just having floor spacers makes it easier to score and gonna be honest not to be offensive but most guys who are warriors and steph curry fans are more commonly "kids" which is fine we all where at one point
DJ true he did have a point, but a lot of them don't even be knowing what they talking about. They just hear it and start typing. I'm 20 and been a Curry fan since the 2012-2013 season bro
He was the best pg in the league for how long? I guess by the same logic of never making a Finals Chris Paul is overrated and Jason Kidd was a better player than him? Your tripping the man pioneered a style of bssketball that didn't exist at the time. Other players have done it better since but they had Steve Nash to learn from, he was the first "efficient ball dominant guard " to push the pace of play. His teammate are not in the same category as Kobe and Duncan's who won 10 championships over the span of Nash carrier Bottomline he ran into better players with more talented teams. I'm not even a fan but I get tired of people pushing this narrative that if you don't win a ring your some trash ass athlete who never amounted to anything. Its the reason why guess like Durant make punk moves because of the judgement that's passed on them by fans and the media. Also since when is it a bad thing to excel in a system set up by your coaching staff? I thought that was their job to put you in a position to succeed. Now he's not one of the most efficient players the league has ever seen he's a role player playing in a good system come on. MVP is a regular season award FYI it has nothing to do with finals and championships. The Sun's went wherever Nash took then that's why he was MVP because on the back of a 30 year old 6 foot something guard that looked like he should of been in dental school the sun's out up multiple 50 plus win seasons.
Megalodon Unlocked finals mvp isn’t the real mvp lmao Igoudala won
The suns system changed the game not Nash lol I’d take isiah Thomas I’d take almost every pg in the league now over Nash .
Chris Paul broke through with Phoenix
Nash benefited from the NBA rule changes in the early 2000’s. When once the league started making the game more guard friendly, his stats went on an up swing.
Is he ranked a bit too high in some circles? I could see the argument.
But one of the most overrated players? I wouldn’t go that far.
Then so has every other superstar in their primes from the mid 2000’s and on
@@jesussaves21 the game was made easier for perimeter players. It’s documented and exactly what the NBA wanted.
Steve Nash was an absolute stud! He was crazy efficient and efficiency is a widely underrated and under appreciated aspect to the game.
Overrated
Can you do a video on D Wade pls
wtf?
Static Shook ??
Static Shook ?
Static Shook u think d Wade overrated??! Or u just want a video on d Wade
Or rather put an end to the "who was the best heat player" debate
Steve Nash should’ve made the finals and should’ve won a chip. When Robert Horry threw Nash into the scorers table at game 4 of the 2007 WCF Amar’e Stoudemire (Who, might I add, was on the All-NBA First Team that year) and Boris Diaw (Extremely Versatile do-it all Player who averaged 8 points to go along with 4 rebounds and four assists) got suspended from game 5 because they got on the court (didn’t even participate in the ensuing fight) and because of this the Suns got beat in game 5, on their own home court, by 3 points. It’s fair to say that with Stoudemire they would’ve won that game 5 bringing them up 3-2 and even if they still lost game 6 they probably would have won game 7 on their home court. They were a better team than the Spurs, who beat the Cavs in 4, so it’s fair to say they were a better team than the Cavs as well, and probably would have trashed them in 4-6 games. Also, while it is fair to say Dirk and LBJ could have won the MVP in ‘07 there was no way Nash didn’t deserve it in ‘06, cause back then the MVP was less of a stat based award and more a storyline/win/affect on team award, and that was a year Nash changed a 20 win team to a 62 win one, while putting up great stats and changing the way the game was played. Also, like I said it was less a statline and more a storyline based NBA, so saying Kobe should have won in ‘06 is really dumb considering his team won less games than WBs in ‘17 despite having the same level, if not less help, and the storyline would have been ‘Kobe can’t win without Shaq, let’s shit hit the floor, blows 3-1 lead’ and you might say that the MVP is a regular season award, and if that’s so why are most if not all of your anti-MVP points playoff based?
Saying he choked doesn’t excuse the fact that Amar’e could’ve come up clutch Amar’e was seen as a streaky player
Wasn’t
How can u say a team was better than a team they lost to in 7 games makes no sense the better team always wins
What you do in the regular season should be carried over
Wait 05-06 Kobe with Kwame Brown was on the same level as that suns team?
How can you be overrated when everyone keeps talking trash about you all the time. Nash was a great player and probably in that second level of superstars. Hes better than a lot of players that people claim are better than him. Its ridiculous that anyone thinks hes overrated.... only people that think that are the kobestani radicals that defaced Lebron's mural and believe that Nash stole MVPs from the 8th seeded Kobe.
Everyone stays on Nash’s nuts I nvr hear anyone say anything bad about him. If anything Melo is underrated he used to be overrated but everyone acts like he’s trash now💀
Andwele Castleberry watch an episode of open court they kill steve nash for those two MVP'S
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Melo is trash... teams get worse when he joins them. The opposite is true with steve Nash... he joined a 20 win team and took them to 60 wins
He’s properly rated noone ever said he was the goat
Bro, he had 10 straight seasons running top 10 offenses (most of the time top 5 offenses) in offensive rating. God damn dude sometimes just running down the fucking court and getting into the offense is the MOST valuable activity one could do. See Chris Paul
Uhm.. Steve Nash was already a superstar/top pointguard on the Mavericks.. it didn't all begin in Phoenix.
Nash was and is a great pg never should have won MVP twice
Nash benefited a lot because of the rules.
@@SkySeduceMe shouldnt won once not even a top 7 player in the league and in 06 the spurs and mavs had a better record. In that case even tony parker could of won mvp
@@Coldskin1 I’m really confused, the sins were mediocre before he got there the first year he comes in and they’re in contention, how does that compare to tony Parker who was a totally different player?
If Steve Nash overrated then Chris Paul and John Stockton overrated as well
Bartholomuew Try ski John Stockton is my favorite point guard but people said he used to just pass to malone down low and hope he scored lol That's why malone is second in scoring all time and first in free throws made.
Stockton made the nba finals back to back. he just ran into the goat.
Are we really that certain that the Jazz would've beaten the Heat and/or Pacers?
Chris Paul could do way more on the court than Nash
Carl Bridgewater Paul had more talent around him and still where Nash is at.
There is no argument for Kobe deserving the mvp over Steve Nash in 06. I'm tired of hearing people saying that. Finally someone talking about Dirk as the most obvious candidate, although I still believe Nash deserved it. Mike D'Antoni is one of the most overrated coaches in NBA history. If you look at his coaching career, his "system only works when he has a star guard to facilitate it. The narrative of Steve Nash being a system player is false. He made that system. In 06, Steve Nash lost his second best player for the entire season along with multiple injuries to many other important player son the team, Steve Nash still managed to get a top 4 record in the NBA. He also did this while leading the league in assists, having his mist points per game of his career and having one of the most efficient shoot years ever going 52/44/92. Steve Nash is a top 5 point guard all time. Maybe top 3. He is no where near overrated
This is BS.... you don't like him because he's a lily white soccer player from Canada who showed up a lot of your homeboys.
In fact he's under rated.
OMG!!!!!!!!!! I was done at the 1:17 mark when you said Steve Nash was overrated. Stop making videos and polling people who dont know anything about basketball.
Steve Nash beat dirk, kobe and tim duncan in the playoffs. How can you be overrated when you are beating all time greats in the playoffs?
Lets talk facts, when he was with dallas they made the WCF against the spurs and Dirk got hurt in game 3 and missed the rest of the series.
He goes to the suns at team that won 28 games and were then a 58 win team and once again got to the WCF and guess what he had no Joe Johnson who broke his face in the dallas series. The suns didnt want to pay joe johnson, que richardson and steven hunter so all those dudes are gone. Amare gets hurt and crazy thing is they still make the WCF and he beat kobe in the process after Kobe was up 3-1 and to add to it Steve Nash made kobe quit in game 7. Kobe was called out for quitting and had to go on TnT to defend himself.
Lets please talk about the 2007 Western semi finals. The series where for some reason the suns player get suspended for leaving the bench but for some reason tim duncan and bruce bowen dont get suspended after elson dunks on james jones and they get off the bench quickly after they bump chests.
Do you realize that every team in the 2000's ruffed up steve nash in the playoffs. The spurs alone broke his nose, took out one of his eyes and hip checked him into the scorers table with 3 seconds left in the game.
Against the lakers Kwame brown checked steve nash on a pick and roll and raja bell shortly clothes lined kobe.
I love how Steve Nash is the best point guard in the NBA from 2003-2010 and he is some how overrated. He beat stockton, mike bibby, chauncey billups, tony parker, sam cassell just to note some in the playoffs.
A guy who is Mr 50-40-90 for a season and only played better in the playoffs like when he averaged 33 points and 14 assist a game vs the mavs in that playoff series.
Im sorry this is a joke of a video.
bitch Dirk won a ring
@@metavita7344 doesn't change the fact that Nash beat him and TD (yes, Nash lost to them as well).. Tim Duncan being the arguably the best PF of all time, with a stacked team and a HoF coach.. Dirk being top 5 -10 PF of all time.. he beat these 2 in the playoffs, yet LoW branded him overrated..
I really don't feel like Nash is overrated. He was very consistent, even late in his career. Sure the Suns system helped, but Nash was still a very good player in Dallas and L.A.
Without Nash the Suns would not have been as great as they were. If he had stayed in Dallas he might have had a chance to win a ring there too(ik he didn't win in Phoenix but he had chances)
Every body has a way they like to play, you can't criticize him for that.
And he won MVP not because of his raw stats, he won because of the huge impact.
Not saying him not winning a ring isn't on him at all, but he did have some unfortunate circumstances people might not know about. Watch Mike Korzemba's vid for more info on that
Why are people always making this hard? You ask how Nash never made it to an NBA Finals but won 2 regular season MVPs. Easy. Basketball is a team game, MVP is an individual award, and a regular season award at that, when they don't go all out on defense and they pace themselves. Yes, I know how all of you want to create this narrative that a truly great player can do most of the heavy lifting himself, but history has shown that nobody, not even MJ, was able to do it by themselves.
We just gave the award to Westbrook. And Harden. Post season chokers. Why are we wondering about Nash? We have a well-documented history of giving that trophy to the undeserving, and often to someone who is NOT the best player in the league that season. So why should Nash be any different?
Nash is damn sure top ten overrated ever
This dude called Stockton a bum, and says Nash is overrated? I think he just hates white basketball players tbh.
You know you can make this excuse about "system player" to talk crap about every star player in NBA history?
I don’t think he’s overrated rather he’s underrated I feel like he’s one of the most forgotten mvps
Russell Goatbrook no he’s not, his mvp are consistently brought up, a forgotten mvp would be a Dave Cowens or Moses Malone
The Chi-Town Hero well believe it or not I barely here anyone mentions Steve Nash where I live but man I agree with you especially Moses Malone he’s so underrated but his impact was undeniable, he was a superstar
Well when you have Shaq, Iverson, Kobe, McGrady, Garnett, Duncan and a few others playing at that time, and he wins 2 MVPs, it's kinda insane.
Nash could score at will. An the fact that he still put his team first. Said alot to how great he was! With his shot, his craftiness, an ability to score from anywhere. Nash could of easily gave teams a 30 piece nugget on a nightly basis...PERIOD!
Steph Nash/Steve Curry
Lol. This man said score at will.
If you know basketball, they were gonna beat the San Antonio Spurs but Amare got suspended for stepping on the court during a altercation. He actually truly underrated
Blame Robert Horry
Spurs kick their a$$ !!!!
Deal with it !!!!
Ginobili is laughing
@@canopener5426 because of the suspensions and not to mention if was rigged for SA to win the series
@@nashwoods1885 rigged my a$$!!!!
Your team choked like they always have....so stop making excuses and man up!!! They were never a championship team....and we were!!!!!
Nash was the rare combination of super efficiency (50/40/90) and incredible passing. That made all his teams very hard to stop.
They lost. Seems like they were always stopped 😂
@@ThaGhettoBlaster league's best record in Nash's first MVP season. 62-20, sounds like a lot of winning to me
And couldn’t score ?
@@patdoggwhat about the playoffs?
@@spoodyR3 19ppg on 50/40/90 is great for a point guard lmao
He went to the western conference finals 6 times when that conference was arguably the strongest it has ever been
Wth first Mike K says Melo is overrated now you saying Nash is overrated..... Y'all boy killing me this week smh
bigskinny61 the crazy thing is we don’t never look at those two as top 10 top 20 players so they not even overrated
Carmelo Anthony is overrated. Kid ain’t even a top 100 player of all time, maybe not even top 250, he is trash. Even with his prime years when he was unquestionably GREAT at basketball, he was trash in terms of his impact and achievement in the league. He is also a pretty awful human being. Such a waste of talent, his career when you look back on it has been a joke. Fluffed up stats on bad teams, no will to win, selfish, petty money chaser.
youre so wrong he def a top 10 SF
@@tribj001 pretty awful human being? man shut yo ass up. do you know melo personally? Smh not top 100 player when did you start watching basketball smh
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Kd that will move up much more since still in the middle of his prime
Kawhi can righteously be considered better than melo
I don't really know if it's correct to say Dominique is better than melo but it's a reasonable contender for the 10 th spot.
Giannis is showing all the signs that he will be way superior than melo.
So there you go it's possible to say that melo isn't top 10
Though I admit it's a bit of a stretch
Did mike dantoni take the lakers or Knicks to the esstern or Western conference Finals😂😂😂😂
Nope
Haha excellent point!
LOW is so damn stupid to say Steve Nash is just a system player when you realize that he was the system. Just like Tom Brady in football, he made the system of that team work and successful.
Ummm the rockets?
The amount of times he says "lets just be honest with ourselves" is hilarious
Here's where your wrong...
First off the Nellie system and D'Antoine system is the same, so let me debunk the narrative that it was the system in Phoenix that made Nash MVP real quick. Same system lol.
You cherry pick the Dallas years too much to try to win your argument when he was the 3rd best player on those teams, compare him to Bibby from the King's their best player to Nash, The Mavericks 3rd best player at the time. Dirk should have stepped up that series.
The Sun's were 29-53 in 2003, so your narrative of them being "loaded" when it's the same team, same coach with the minor addition of Richardson is debunked totally. Then after that year in 2005-6 you take Amar'e, Joe Johnson, Richardson away, they still make it to the WCF and that narrative of Nash being "surrounded by talent" gets totally debunked further, becomes clear that Steve Nash accompanied by one solid player ,Marion could win with basically bench players, and we saw this year after year. After 2004-5 the Sun's top brass knew this, and exploited it. You strengthen that argument pointing out the aquisition of a old washed up Shaq, which was a terrible experiment. Then later they get rid of Shaq, add scrub players that don't clog the lane and it's back to the WCF.
The Phoenix Sun's without Nash is the biggest hole in your theory. Where would Mike D'Antoine be? What did Stoudemire do in New York? Was he really a "max player?"...No...Joe Johnson? No...Shawn Marion?...No... Boris Diaw? No... So if your STILL can't see Nash was sole responsible for the success then you never will and there's something else involved not wanting you to believe it:).
The reason why Nash was so successful when he got to Phoenix was that before coming to that team he worked harder, plain and simple. His body, even in your videos changed and his training regime was advanced and ahead of the times. His condition by the time he came back to Phoenix was prime. We over look the obvious when numbers can't tell you hard work pays off and he wasn't the same player. Other players such as Gilbert Arenas, worked harder too, came from nowhere, was an all-star. Hard work helps.
Finally the MVP/Championship argument. The valid reason why Nash never won a championship was because of Tim Duncan. If Tim Duncan tears his achilles and doesn't play in any of the Sun's/Spurs playoffs those Sun's teams go on and win championships.
Defensive liability... Absolutely!...He was 6'1 183 pounds, he was a small player. It was an obvious weakness
1. Almost every player thrives on a specific system. Ask Duncan to play in a run and gun system and let's see what happens. Ask Curry to play in the grit and grind 2000 Pistons alnd let's see what happens. Specific system argument is weak and shallow thinking.
2. Steve Nash does not deserve 2 MVPs. 2005-2006 MVP should've gone to Dirk or LeBron. Kobe's 35 Pts/G season is overrated and should've not been blown out of proportion.
3. "They added Jamison, Walker, Howard, Daniels to the roster to make a run for the final", or something like that. You talked as if Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels were highly touted players to begin with. Howard was not expected to be that good, he just turned that good. Daniels is undrafted, picked up to fill in a slot. So, no, although maybe they have aspirations to reach the finals, those 2 are not brought in because they want to reach the finals.
4. How much more does he need to win a championship? Like how much the Celtics, Spurs, Heat, GSW, etc. had to win a championship. The only team less talented overall than the Suns to win the championshion is the Mavs. The Raptors championship roster, although not top heavy talented, is 10-man deep.
Conclusion, Steve Nash is great but not on the same conversation as the Stockton's, etc. When you look at it carefully, even Chris Paul is better than Steve Nash. That does not make him a less of a great player. A little overrated but not too much overrated as you pointed out.
Yeah all in all he’s still top 7 point guard and hall of fame
Shaq in '05, and Kobe in '06, SERIOUSLY, didn't deserve to win MVPs; even if Nash hadn't of won them. Let's not forget that the HEAT were in a weak Eastern Conference, Shaq was past the tipping point, in his decline phase (even in '05), and it's not like Shaq had one of his better seasons. Above anything, he had JUST been a huge part as to why a dynasty was broken up. You want to reward him right after that happened? MVP to guy who walked away from winning, to winning on something closer to on his own terms? That's not selfish?
Kobe in '06, sure, he had a great year. But any greater than LeBron the same year? I don't see it. And as goes with Shaq, this was less than 2 years after Kobe refused to continue on as Shaq's sidekick (as he said to Phil Jackson), breaking up a dynasty for personal reasons. I don't see why you'd want to honor either completely selfish players.
Of note, Shaq (and Kobe) always get on Nash for winning that MVP, yet, why can't Shaq ever go after the year A.I. won it? Shaq was at his absolute best then! Is it easier to do because A.I. has all of the street cred in the world, so that wouldn't be too cool? I think I know why Shaq (and Kobe) go after Nash, and it's because he's an easier target (who's not viewed as being as cool as A.I.).
emmapeel38 L. Nash deserved it on '05. Turned a shitty team into a 60 win one with great efficiency.
Shaq and Kobe split because of Kobe, I don't think you can blame Shaq for that
Shaq and Kobe are just more popular to the casual fan, for actual fans, Nash earned those MVP’s
Remember when Steve Nash was bleeding asf and still no foul?
Ye, he's totally overrated
I remember watching it live on TV.
it's ok to be a hater you wanted Kobe for MVP in 06 you're salty it's okay
Kobe would’ve dropped off Nash so quick in 06🤣
@Hurricane ED I’m talking about 1 v 1 lol the score would literally be 21-0 even if Nash got ball first.
@Hurricane ED I understand basketball is a team game but the whole point of the game is to put the basket in the ball. And Shaq def was the best player at doing that for a min,so yes he def should’ve had at least 6 mvps. MVP gets messy when u involve the team aspect, which is why there’s never MVPs on teams that win 20 games. If you really believe Steve Nash was a better player than Kobe in 06, them all I can say is good luck in school fam🤣.
As for his MVPs I vividly remember Kobe being the best player in the league both those years...Dirk was also better than Nash those 2yrs
Kobe the best player in '05? Lmao
@@forman208 duh everyone knows this....mvps usually go to the best player on the best team which was the suns that year..Kobe was way better than nash
@Puffin FromYT More efficient? I guess if youre not counting defense..Which in that case im sure alot of people were. But as an all around player hell no..its actually not even close tbh
You say he's over rated for not making the finals yet you're saying how historically great that western conference was
low you forgot about the rule change during that 2004-2006 era
What changed
No way my man balled out in his 30s! Okay maybe he got more assists because of the system he played in but come on he was a very consistent shooter !!!, come on my man Steve is a legend 💯
Whoever says just doesn’t know basketball
KJ - ZERO says what?
KJ - ZERO huh?
You don’t know grammar
I remember that MVP race. It was between Nash and Kobe. Kobe was playing hero ball but the Lakers were in the bottom half of the playoff picture. Nash's team was at the top of the conference
Utter Proof Nash is the most Overrated player in NBA History.
Nash won 2 MVPs
Stockton never finished higher than 7th
Now lets compare Nashs 2 MVP season to Stocktons best 2 seasons, Surely Nash is LIGHT YEARS BETTER right???
Nash 04-05 vs Stockton 88-89
PPG - 15.5 vs 17.1 = Stockton by 1.6 PPG
APG - 11.5 vs 13.6 = Stockton by 2.1 APG
RPG - 3.3 vs 3.0 = Nash by 0.3 RPG
SPG - 1.0 vs 3.2 = Stockton by 2.2 SPG
TO - 3.3 vs 3.8 = Nash by 0.5 TO
FG% - .502 vs .538 = Stockton by .036
So Stockton has more Points, Assist, Steals and a better FG%. Nash is just BARELY Better at Rebounds (for a PG) and a few less Turnovers.
Nash 05-06 vs Stockton 89-90 (there are actually a few years you can use for Stockton here)
PPG - 18.8 vs 17.2 = Nash by 1.6 PPG
APG - 10.5 vs 14.5 = Stockton by 4.0 APG
RPG - 4.2 vs 2.6 = Nash by 1.6 RPG
SPG - 0.8 vs 2.7 = Stockton by 1.9 SPG
TO - 3.5 vs 3.5 = EVEN (though Nash had 276 TO to Stocktons 272) so Stockton by 4 TOs
FG% - .512 vs .514 = Stockton by .002
Now I will combined the hard stats for BOTH years.
Nash 04-05-06 vs Stockton 88-89-90
Points - 2,654 vs 2,745 = Stockton by 91 Points
Assists - 1,687 vs 2,252 = Stockton by 586 Assist
Rebounds - 582 vs 454 = Nash by 128 Rebounds
Steals - 135 vs 470 = Stockton by 335 Steals
TO - 521 vs 580 = Nash by 59
FGM - 971 vs 969 = Nash by 2
Just to reiterate. Nash won 2 MVPs, Stockton 7th in 88-89, and 9th in 89-90.
Or did that mean Stockton was screwed by voters? Stockton = Nash. PG were never respected by MVP voters. Maybe Nash changed it when they realized how important they could be.
Agent won’t be happy about this video...
Well in all honesty pretty much nobody cares what he has to say. He can't speak proper english, does not know that much about basketball and just keeps on babbling "2K this and 2K that".
@@Zamppa86 agent is the goat fym
In that 2009 season coach Porter tried to make the suns a defensive team, and all suns fans know that Nash and Amar'e, the teams best players, were not defensive players. And Porter was definitely lacking in the offensive side of the ball. Nash was never the type of player that had the killer instinct. If you're a stats guy, of course you would want him to shoot more because he was so effecient but we all know stats don't tell the whole truth. He was a team first player, he made everyone better with his passing. Even at the latter of his career, the suns were a .500 team during a lock out season, to a 25 win team once he left.
Can't rly blame steve nash for being part of a system because you can use that argument for any player. If you are the star player of a team the system is essentially designed around you and its the matter of how you utilise it. Tbh Nash is probably underrated for what he achieved under that system when you look at what James Harden is doing right now.
No you can’t . Other players have been on the level before charging systems & after.
he directly benefited from the rule changes implemented and lobbied to the commissioner by the coangelos who are connected to Phoenix. He'd be forgotten if he didn't have that unfair advantages and ended up in that phx system.
Pointing out 5 points in a quarter and 3 assists is pointless, it’s pretty much the same number of assists and points for every other quarter
Honestly I think Steve Nash is rated appropriately, not overrated. No one speaks of him as if he is top 10 all time or anything. To me he is around top 30-40 all time and arguably a top 10 PG of all time which is impressive.
He was amazing in those years in Phoenix, I was a huge fan of his and wish he would have at least made the Finals. It just was never meant to be for him which is a shame. But I never watched the Suns lose and thought that it was because of him. If anything, I think he deserved to win a couple of years and didn't, especially 2007 against the spurs, because losing Amare AND Diaw was a huge reason the lost! I saw that series and they looked like the better team.
Nash could easily be a top 5 PG of all time.. his prime was elite level play. I'd place him behind Magic, Stockton, Robertson, and on par with Steph... I'd take Nash over Thomas, Paul and Kidd.
@@sejason56Steve Nash isn’t better than Chris Paul or Isiah Thomas, let alone on par with Steph Curry.
First Melo now Nash 🤦🏾♂️
About melo I agree but nash isn't even close to be overrated, matter the fact he is underrated
Cmon a finals appearance when you know we got hoed in against the spurs in the wcf nash was cooking that whole series and the team was giving san antonio work and when even refs from that game said they were told to favor the spurs in calls like cmon bro also how is your argument for nash being overrated is his time in dallas when in dallas he was at best the 3rd scoring option behind dirk and finley his job was basically to set up and shoot off them
16:20 dirk had a 3-2 lead when Jason terry was suspended for Nash it was 2-2 when stoudemire when was suspended
Even as a Kobe fan I enjoyed Nash
Cmon man my fav player of all time is not overrated if anything he is underrated
The suspension also included Boris Diaw, Alvin Gentry was the coach in 2010 so he did it without Dantoni, also the reason they say he didn’t have enough help is because normally when a team has a poor defensive PG they have a center in the paint to help cover that up and the suns to this date have never had a good center let’s hope Deandre Ayton changes that and too add on the the lack of help theory he had the Stat injury along side a consistent flow of roster changes and the suns were probably only 6 deep an never had a backup for Nash Sarver traded TONS of draft picks in the Dantoni era including a top 10 pick that was Loul Deng and Rajon Rondo... So Sarver ignorance and the lack of a deep roster is why we never won and the refs didn’t help either saying he’s overrated is ridiculous if not showing up in big moments makes you overrated a lot of players are overrated
Great player but not in my top 20 GOATs or even top 3 PG.
My top 5 starts with Magic - technically not a PG, then Big O and Stockton. 4th is Curry - who I think will be in top 10 GOATs and maybe #1-2 PG at the end of his career. Then Isiah who I hate at #5. I prefer Gary Payton and Kidd over Nash because they were two way players. All the guys above went to the Finals, many of them multiple times. So Nash is NOT even #6 or #7 PG but you also have to compare him to Walt Frazier, Tiny Archibald, Westbrook, Kevin Johnson, Iverson, Cousy and CP3. All those guys went to finals and even won a Ring, except CP3 and Nash. CP3 has similar numbers but slightly better because he has more scoring ability and plays better D. The truth is Nash isn't overrated - Nash might not even be #10 PG Goat, so the truth is his MVP seasons were overrated.
You're crying...
Complaining...
And absolutely hating...
You can critique a guy's career without blatantly showing all that negativity...
Get out ya feelings...
Nash was one of my favorite players back in the day. The biggest complaint on his career was his MVP’s and defense. He deserved the first MVP. The team didn’t work without him. The second is questionable. I would say if he was more aggressive offensively he could have had a better career. He was a good shooter, just passive.
I think this video highlights how underrated Dirk Nowitzki is tbh
I’ve been waiting for this moment for a long time
Cade Jackson you and me both
Shawn Kemp at the beginning of the video it showed a pole of where people ranked him an 47 percent of people had him at top 30. So he is overrated as we both agree
Troll God That was the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.
The same reason he never made the finals is the same reason that stockton and malone never won, there was just a better team during that era that they just can’t knock off
low: nash is overrated
low" also nash has top 10 offensive peak in nba history
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I agree with a lot of what your saying here. This is coming from a Suns fan who became a fan because of Steve Nash, he's probably one of if not my favourite player of all time. Still Nash was definitely a system player, theirs no doubt. My problem is figuring out what exactly to make of that, after all it's like you said, I don't like concentrating on hypotheticals, in that case what can be done about it really, we can't know what is career would look like if he hadn't been traded. Personally I think he's 7th all time among PG's, that's behind Stockton, CP3, Thomas, Curry, Oscar and Magic. All time he's somewhere between 30-35, is that overrating him? What exactly does it even mean to be overrated, where should he rank exactly do you think?
V.I.B'Z that system player criticism is probably the most half baked ass criticism anyone can come up with for any sport. I’ve always hated that criticism because it’s just a way to undermine a players hard work and his success, that’s all. Nash was the system and that’s final, that system thrived because of him and people are really forgetting that. Just like MJ, Kobe, Lebron, Curry, Johnson etc. all the legends had a “system” that allowed them to thrive and play at their best. Maybe I’m being biased or being triggered simply because I grew up idolizing Steve Nash and emulating how I use to play basketball off of him but that system player point is just idiotic to me.
imo Jason Kidd is at least in th top three PGs of all time.
Nash made the system for the Suns. If you're actually a Suns fan then you would know without Nash there would be no system that's why the Suns were so bad the year before he showed up.
You ain’t a suns fan
Those Phoenix suns were constructed with inside knowledge from Mr Colangelo who was the chairman of teams operations att and one of the leads of the NBA rule changes comettee in the early 2000s. They built the team to take an early advantage of the changes to come, that's why they seemed like they were ahead of their time, and the reason many think Nash is not as good as it seems since his game benefited the most from those advantages.
LOW your part of the reason I started my youtube channel, I just wanted to say thank you for inspiring me and keep up the good work!
Arian Christopher you’re*
What team has Dantoni or Don Nelson led to a finals?
D’Antoni taking the Warriors superteam to 7 games in the WCF and losing because his entire team chocked was a more impressive achievement than most teams finals runs. Suns in 2021 for instance.
I think you are connecting mvp award to postseason success, while it's based solely on someone's regular season stats. There were many mvps who performed badly in playoffs. Most recent being westbrook, and your beloved dirk got smacked by warriors in the 1st round just after he won his mvp (not hating on dirk, it's just that you used him so much in this video)
Have you ever thought of the possibility that Steve Nash made all of his teammates better? He played with a declining Shawn Marion, a Grant Hill permanently stunted by his knee injury, and an Amare Stoudimire, who was expected to lead the Knicks as a franchise player, but strait up sucked. He made all of his teammates better than they actually were.
And so that is related to MVP, he brings value.