Why John Stockton is One of The MOST OVERRATED NBA Players Of All-Time
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I feel Stockton wouldnt care where he is ranked
He wouldn't care. Humble man
Agreed
What a legend man
True,but he is an all-time great!!!
Especially by a faceless wannabe sports journalist named legend of winning who has never won anything in his damn life.
funny how a lot of the comments compare payton to stockton when in reality gary payton is one of the biggest stockton stans out there
Gary Payton words
It's easier to guard MJ than Stockton
Truth
FIDDACTS!!!
Just because two players are fans in f each other doesn’t mean you can’t compare the two
@@vivryos5345 he never said that at all
Karl malone would have never been karl malone without john stockton
Same goes for John Stockton
I can’t take u serious u have a Ben Simmons photo 😂😂
Karl Malone was so shit
Jiminy Cricket top 3 PF all time
@@biggringus5499 how
I got mad love for Stockton. Hated seeing his ass in the late 90s vs my Lakers in playoffs. Dude was a sneaky smart player.
bro, the jazz beat them like 2 times, and Kobe wasn't even starting at that point because of their mid ass coach.
Bruh nba RUclips HATES john Stockton jesus
Kinda sad tbh when most of them weren’t even alive/too young to have even watched Stockton (not that I did either but calling any player overrated based off RUclips videos and highlights seems premature)
Nathan Michael no one said he wasn’t great it’s not hate telling the truth and providing proof on why he’s not as great as many think.
These old players never gotten the level of criticism today’s players get so now we are microanalyzing them
JDEG443726 Gumnry yeah... tv before shows only highlights... now people have access to anything to analyze each player in present and past...
Arshdeep Singh no ppl can see the stats and proof. If you watched the video you’ll see why he’s overrated. The proof is all there
How can Stockton be overrated if seemingly everyone thinks he’s overrated
Also, does LOW actually like any players? It seems like every player to him is either overrated or not deserving of praise
He loves Duncan 🤷🏾♂️
i see a lottttt of people gassing up stockton. people especially on twitter day they’d rather have Stockton than CP3😭😭😭
@@samsamsam481 how is that crazy? Stockton is arguably better then CP3
THANK YOU
@@isaiaharmand9901 Way better
Apart from the unbelievable amount of assists, which already puts him at least amongst the best 3 PG of history, Stockton is the all-time leader in steals with 3,265. That's 581 more than Jason Kidd who is second on the list. That comes out to 21% more than the second best ever. In fact there are only 28 players who have even half as many steals as Stockton.
Stockton isn’t close to a top 3 pg of all time
He's nowhere near top 3, you are literally overrating him. He's clearly behind Magic, Curry, Robertson, Isiah Thomas and i also have him behind cp3. He's top 5 at best, top 6 for me, the majority of people have him around 7 or 8, im being generous.
@@bachnguyenviet4289 You say he's nowhere near top 3 but then say you have him at top 5. So that's two sports behind which means he's pretty close and you can argue that he's right there w/ CP3 or Isiah.
His Jazz teams beat the Bulls than he's top 2 greatest of all time. Just so happened they didn't
Stockton’s ass. He literally gambled every damn steal. Why do you think he didn’t win dpoy. Averaged like 10 shots a game so he should be at around 50% especially cuz he shoots jumpers. Only reason why he’s mentioned is cuz he’s white. Stockton 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🍑🍑🍑
His regular season statistics are absolutely amazing, but he was very inconsistent in the playoffs, that's why him and Malone never made it to the finals until 97, since he's been around since the early eighties I think that's a lot of years of choking in the playoffs, especially if you were expected to make it do to doing so great in the regular season, fucking Terry Porter of the Trail Blazers totally out played him one game.
John Stockton is the most underrated player of all time. How can someone be all time in assist, and steals and he be overrated. He definitely under appreciated
For example. Nolan ryan has the most strikeouts of all time. But he's not the best strikeout pitcher. He just played across 4 decades. It was durability
DA that still tells you was the best😂 him being sustainable while being an Alltime steal, and assist leader means something. If anything it would be a bigger argument to say his play style is the most underrated. Steve Nash, cp3, Jason Kidd, etc
@@HotHandz216 he could do it the longest. Doesn't make him the most talented. Doing more with less time makes you more talented
DA doing things consistently overtime makes you the best. 😂 that’s what your missing because your trying to prove a point.
@@HotHandz216 no it doesn't lol. You can do something consistently for a very long time and still not be the best lmfao what are you on
2001/02 season:
*John Stockton ( age 39 )= 13-ppg. FG-51%. and 8-APG. 2-TOV.*
*Jason Kidd ( age 28 )= 14-ppg. FG-39%. and 10-APG. 3-TOV.*
That’s prime Jason Kidd we’re talking about to
Wow Jason kidd can't really shoot dem, at least he got a ring though
Jason Kidd has a ring
@@darrellwhiten-boone4308 Jason Kidd did not play in the Nba Finals vs Michael Jordan ( GOAT ), he played vs Lebron James, who suffocated.
Allan Houston I’d rather win against a top 5 player than year after year lose to the same guy and when he gets out the league still lose
I literally only know 2 other players who have made the playoffs every year of their career, Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili
Get ready for the why Manu is overrated as top 100 player of all time soon
JJ redick also
Draymond green, kawhi
@@matthewdaniels2523 draymond wont make it this year.
Go figure Tim and manu played together
And I wonder if John wudve contjnued his streak if he played as long as Malone, I personally doubt it still a great player nonetheless
He made the all nba team 11 times, he was top 3 in his position for 11 years
There deadass was no pg’s other than IT at the time
@@niyol8982 Gary Payton, Rod Strickland, Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson
Kyle Thomas 💯💯💯
@@kylethomas2993 weak era
Devin Pettit u think the game is stronger now?
I'll take Gary Payton's word (toughest PG he had to guard) over yours
Exactly. Stockton was a solid player. The man never missed a game.
Solodolo84 dawg he’s CRIMINALLY underrated idk how ppl can say he’s overrated
No rings, no MVPs,
Kid’s World which is exactly why he’s underrated...? no one ever gave him hype to win mvp. media controls who wins mvp. look at last year with giannis. harden had far better numbers and broke more records but who was more hyped and blinded all the casual fans?
@@yaboiiity6067 cant reason with folks who dont understand the difference between hype and regular expectations.
John Stockton: *exists*
NBA RUclipsrs in 2020: “I’m about to end this man’s whole legacy”
Rich Homie Gon he didn’t ruin his legacy
Bronsexuals trying to diminish the 90s.
@@DsLmaNiaC and passionate jordan fans diminish era
this era
@Keyan Dehghan i think mj is the goat but i dont shit on this era I appreciate greatness
This video is dumb. Nobody overates Stockton nor his name even bought up that much when talking about all time greats
Steph Curry The G.O.A.T I think he’s jus running out of ideas 😂
🧢. Didn’t he show jimmys multi thousand viewed video saying Stockton was top 20? Or did you just not watch
Clearly you didn’t watch the video
Yes the hell they do
Stockton is a top 5 PG hands down
When everybody says somebody is overrated, they then become underrated
18:25
@Keyan Dehghan That's okay bro. U gonna get the attention you need someday.
@Keyan Dehghan name at least 10 reasons why john stockton is overrated and then i'll leave you alone.
aedex dex His stats are inflated, there are real accounts of the Jazz stat recorders inflating the stats to make him look good since the entire Stockton brand is based around assists. 2. He plays the most basic type of offense that being the pick and roll which takes little skill compared to the very difficult outside shooting the league has now 3. He is a very very overrated defender his steals like his assists were inflated and they didn’t really come in tough crunch time 4. Compared to PGs like magic and CP3 his IQ is nowhere even near that 5. People rank him above Jason Kidd, isiah Thomas etc all people who are champions and they do this purely because of his widely inflated stats when both are easily the superior players both IQ wise and career accomplishment wise. 6. Stockton is absolutely terrible without a large PF like Malone, I recommend rusty buckets video on the topic, the best PGs can work with nothing like the aforementioned Jason Kidd who lead the suns and mavs when they had very lackluster teams. I can’t think of any more off the top of my head but you get the point. This guy is not a top 5 PG of all time he is widely overstated. 1. Magic Johnson 2. Steph Curry 3. Isaih Thomas 4. Oscar rob 5. Jason Kidd or CP3
@@bperez003 I have Gary Payton over Jason Kidd, though it is very close. Kidd's supporting casts in Phoenix & Dallas did have talent. Not massive talent, but there were both shooters and finishers in both places. His mid-career transformation w/ the early 00s Nets team was probably better evidence as far as doing more w/ less.
I know he came back to his original franchise in Dallas, where he did help the Mavs to the 11 title, at age 38, in a role player's capacity, though he was good for his age, and did help make it happen. It was somewhat by default in that it took an all-time choke job for all of the games after Game 1 by Lebron James to allow it to happen. Mavs won 4-2, but LBJ sucked stinkin ass in that series for a mega-superstar, absolutely for his standards he did suck some Mavs ass in that Finals for sure. If Lebron played just his avg., Heat would've swept them.
But a win's a win, but Stockton deserves credit just for staying loyal to an obscure market also. He took the safe way, yet it takes a special personality in its own way to resist the temptation to seek greener pastures, in an era where stars already had mid-career options w/ that, though management still had more control than today. A high %age of his passes had a relatively low degree of difficulty, and it was an easy system, but Stockton's the most unselfish distributor of the basketball of any superstar in NBA history, along w/ Cousy (pre-modern era).
Better video: why John Stockton is the most underrated player of all time
How
Jarvis Butler As one example, people talk about Isiah for sure being on the Dream Team, but forget that Stockton outvoted him in MVP votes practically every year leading up. Not saying it puts him ahead, but people take Isiah as a given and it’s not so clear cut.
Fax
@@jarvisbutler8254 his smarts and toughness were off the charts and he had plenty of skills to go along with it, at the very least he's a top 5 PG ever
@@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7 magic, curry, cp3, Isiah Thomas, Jerry west, Oscar Robertson
A guard like stockton wasnt meant to dominate in the era he played. Remember that 90s is the golden era of big men in the nba
The 90s was dominated by a guard who never played with a top tier center lol
@@bashwill236 Hakeem says hi
Srbenda126 He said plays with not played against lol
Yeah and we are in the golden age of point guards but that doesn’t mean guys like Giannis, LeBron, Kawhi, KD, Embiid, Jokic can stand out above most PGs
A Chicago Bulls shooting guard dominated the 90s
"He ain't got no left hand coach"
yo u got me dead bruhhh
😭😭😭💀💀
In the regular season:
John Stockton = 9x assists leader, 2x steals leader.
In the Playoffs:
John Stockton = 10x assists leader, 2x steals leader.
Allan Houston Gary Payton: arguably the greatest defender at the point guard level of all time, DPOY, and can easily get in your head. Better scorer. Stockton is only better at assists and that isn’t the most important part of basketball
Ian Hollingsworth Gary Payton deserves way more appreciation I promise
And here I am saying he's one of the most underrated. Sports circles really do vary out here in these sports streets.
So this video downplayed Stockton's stats and proceeded to rate Westbrook higher simply because he averaged a triple double in his MVP season even though OKC was 6th seed in the West
Westbrooks second best player was steven adams man😂 put stockton on that team and the thunder would be dead last in the league
@@daniellee1037 Damn Daniel. Don't hold back.
@@daniellee1037 Westbroke stat padded on trash teams. They purposely boxed out for him to get boards. He dribbles for 10 hours until finally someone gets open for an easy pass. He has the worst jumper in the NBA, low efficiency numbers, etc. The dude has an IQ of about 70 while stockton has an IQ of above 130 and is playing chess on the court. All that Westbroke has is athleticism and aggressiveness.
@@biteme-rz3ws But as the video suggests, Stockton stat padded on good teams.
Wonder which is worse...
@@biteme-rz3wsput Russ on those Jazz teams and they definitely have a far better chance of winning a title in the 90s
I was a fan of your content but this seems like a reach.
Eric Wallace Naah man there is no reaching here. He provided great evidence on all his points and even gave great examples of John Stockton routinely being out performed in the playoffs. What I'm saying his he didn't pull anything out of his ass, these are the facts. John Stockton was great but he's no top 30 player of all time at all. Top 50? Sure
@@justinnorman8666 he is def top 10 pg for me tho
@Keyan Dehghan you can tell these people didnt watch the video when they type that
I get the joke now
Take John Stockton off the Utah Jazz they never makes the finals and he never won a championship because the a person named Michael Jordan heard of him?
You can add hakeem also, both times the rockets won the championship they eliminated Utah
Yeah i dont know if he is overrated. career averages really speak for themselves. As a jazz fan, i can compare him to chris paul today. One of the very best ever to do it but just never right time or situation.
@@MRIscanman He said overrafed not that he isn't a good player
Did you not watch the video? The Jazz only lost to the Bulls twice. What about all those other years when he DIDN'T go up against MJ? If you Jazz fans are gonna keep using MJ as a scapegoat for the sorriness of your team, then maybe y'all don't deserve a championship. In order to BE the best you gotta BEAT the best. That's what MJ and my Bulls did. What about your Jazz? What about 1984-1996? You gonna blame MJ for those years too? FOH lolol
Yea he’s not overrated
I'll hear out any insane argument, but, look, saying he's not one of the greats because he never won MVP is wrong because it's a team sport. MVP is subjective anyway and factors in off-court influence. 9:52 Saying his stats never led to any "significant winning" made me stop and type this. You're talking about a guy who never played alongside any other all-star except Karl Malone (not even alongside anyone else who was all-star caliber), made the playoffs every single season, and twice made the finals.
Anyone who thinks he's not one of the greatest PG's of all time is just kidding themselves. Watch any one of his games you'll see a guy who is ferocious, literally willing to fight guys like JR Reid and David Robinson, plays remarkable defense, sets up every offensive possession with brilliance, and breaks down the defense to get everyone in the right spot all while having virtually 0 athletic ability.
I'm not Jazz fan, or a fan of Stockton, but the dude was incredible in a time when the league was filled with incredible players. He's a real team player and if everyone strived to be like him today, you'd have a much more competitive league.
@Marcquise White He literally says "not a top 5 PG in any decade" Not only was he the top PG in the 90s, he is without question one of the 20 players of all time. You can look at the stats and watch any game to see the intangibles. I'm sorry you're on this OP's nuts but he's wrong. Just trying to be controversial to get views like Stephen A Smith or Cowherd.
@Marcquise White So are Legend of Winning's balls slapping you on the bottom lip or thigh?
And Stockton had like 5 years in a row where his numbers were better than Steve Nash’s MVP numbers. The MVP argument against Stockton is idiotic.
@@nofunleagueAllDay But Steve Nash was the best player on the best regular season team in the league (I will be honest... I am a diehard Spurs fan... but the Spurs screwed him out of a championship with the Robert Horry hip check). Stockton was NEVER the best player on his team. He was just very good for a long time, but NEVER MVP caliber (people hate on Nash's MVPs, but don't admit that he probably should have won a chip in 2007, as the best player on the team)
@@j-rey- It's arguable between Malone and stockton. Malone was one of the greatest scorers ever. Stockton was hands down the greatest assist man of all time. Setting and breaking his own records year after year much like steph curry does with threes.
Sorry I disagree .. if Gary Payton says his hardest to guard and his the best defensive pg to ever play the game... u r wrong
The Stockton hate is real. Getting sick of seeing these vids
Dropping straight facts making you goofys mad
Ain’t no hate,
Old school players never got the level of criticism that today’s players get so now we microanalyizing them one by one
@@One.Zero.One101 Thats cap. People always say steve nash is an all time great. Steve nash won mvp. Also ppl love the likes of Bird and says Bill Walton would be up there with the likes of kareem if not for injuries. Stop race baiting. Get a life chump
can you provide a refutation of any of the information presented in this video?
If it was a black player that had the most assists ever and the most steals ever during the Michael jordan\Magic Johnson eras, he would never be called overrated.
LOW I usually love your videos but this is missing context bro, 2 of his 1st round exits came before Stockton was a full time starter, in 1990 they lost by 2 points in the deciding game to a very good and deep Suns team and don't disrespect Kevin Johnson who was a walking 20 & 10 before injuries. The 1987 series vs Utah Sleepy Floyd was an all star that year, he also put up similar numbers vs the Lakers the next series and Stockton wasn't in his prime yet. In 93 they lost to the higher seeded Sonics in the deciding game in the 1st round. 95 in the 1st round they lost to the eventual champions in the deciding game. In 01 a 38 year old Stockton and the Jazz lost in the deciding game by 1 point to a young Mavs team with Dirk, Nash, Juwuan Howard, Michael Finley etc. that was a good squad and Malone shot 40% that series. Yes Stockton has had some bad series but I can point out series against great team like the Lakers in which he dominated. And his play style will never get him in the MVP discussion especially playing in Utah, to hold that against him is silly.
Young & Ambitious yeah, I made similar post breaking down all the issues, many of which you listed. It won’t get likes like yours because it was too long but I made essentially the same argument as you
Stockton and Sleepy averaged roughly the same in that series as the playoffs. kJ was a great player at that time but even his 20pts 9ast weren’t as good as Stockton’s 15pts 15ast that series - yet LOW thinks KJ did better
Also, he combined all the stats that played with the Jazz from 1986 to 1993. They never all played at the same time and Adrian Dantley left before Stockton and Malone were stars
Nice to see comments like these. It’s annoying to see so many people dislike this video but not actually explain where they think LOW is wrong.
Floyd played on the Warriors my g
No one will ever really respect him because Jordan wiped the floor with his team held them to the lowest amount of points scored in a game in the finals
Many times they ended up losing series due to Karl Malone missing free throws.
You’re being very dishonest in the playoff comparisons. Your sleepy Floyd and Kevin Johnson comparisons are a joke and you really need to reconsider what you did on this video
1. Sleepy Floyd vs Stockton in 87: Stockton wasn’t a star player yet. Stockton averaged 8pts 8ast that season. Sleepy Floyd averaged 19pts 10ast that season. Both would average around the same in the playoff series as they did regular season
2. Kevin Johnson was a great PG at his peak. But you put stats showing KJ at 19.8pts 9.2ast vs Stockton’s 15pts 15ast. How the hell are you going to argue 20-9 is better than 15-15??
3. Terry Porter vs Stockton 1992. Yes, Terry was hot and outplayed Stockton. It was one series. The series before Stockton averaged 14.2pts 14.0ast 3.2stl and series before (first round) Stockton averaged 16pts 16ast. So in two series before, Stockton averaged 15pts 15ast
4. Kenny Smith 1995. Kenny 17pts 5ast to Stockton 17pts 10 ast. Not even close. But Kenny did have the luxury of Stockton coming off him to double team Hakeem.
5. 1996 Payton. Well, Stockton was getting past his prime and Payton was at his peak and an amazing defensive player.
5 excuses lol
Check out the percentages. He was not shooting well. So while he might get the points, it was not to the benefit of the team. Also, those assists are inflated cuz he had the blanket of Karl Malone.
So naw, he got outplayed
Ombeni Idassi in which matchup did he not shoot well? And he had Karl Malone? Magic had Kareem, Worthy, Byron Scott - all players that averaged 20pts+.
Stockton in the playoffs over his career was 13.4pts 10.1 ast. In regular season he was 13.1-10.5. About the same
@SunamiKilla isnt the point of point guard to make plays that allow the team to score, not just chuck up shots for stats?
@SunamiKilla The dumbest comment I've read all day.
I have to respectively disagree with you. Without Stockton, you don't get Steve Nash. Without Steve Nash, you don't get Steph Curry. He's a great player who's easily left a lasting legacy in the game
Steve Nash was most definitely a better passer, he got it to his guys in more creative ways, Stockton just dropped it down to guys and let them work.
Dude you would definitely get Steph Curry with out Steve Nash. This man’s game is nothing like Steve Nash. The only similarity is that they are great shooters. Steph said he looked up to Reggie Miller and his dad.
Wtf
Ok I disagree with the way you make him seem like he's not a winner. Two finals appearances. Is not successful???? He just bumped into the NBA's nightmare named MJ. And in playoffs every year. And like 4 western finales appearances. You taking about a dude who had no selfishness if not he's numbers would be even greater. I mean Nash won two mvps with the same numbers.
@@germanramos2068 Yeah, but Nash didn't deserve either of those MVP's.
The disrespect on John Stockton.
Is well deserved
It’s not disrespect it’s just that people are ranking Stockton way too high that’s what the vids about
@@krish-dz6gl I'm not saying he's a Top 10, but he's at least Top 30-35, imo.
Julián M. That’s fair
2001/02 season:
John Stockton ( age 39) = 13-ppg FG-51% and 9-APG. 2-TO
Jason Kidd ( age 28 ) = 14-ppg FG-39% and 10-APG. 3-TO
for me, JS is a Top10 class PG of all time.
Tough defender.
Play-maker.
Fast break igniter.
great court vision.
consistent dimer.
High basketball IQ.
I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with you.
Definitely top 5 in his position
In the regular season:
John Stockton = 9x assists leader, 2x steals leader.
In the Playoffs:
John Stockton = 10x assists leader, 2x steals leader.
Russell Castillo Magic, Curry, Cp3, Jason Kidd, Nash, Oscar, Isiah Thomas, West are all better you can also argue Walt Frazier, the glove, Westbrook, Dame and Bob Cousy as well. I think Stockton is 8 or 9 at best.
Big Dre the first 7 you listed are better or could be argued that they are better, but West is a sg and the others you listed aren’t on the same level as Stockton
Wow. I think this might be the last video I ever watch on this channel. Stockton was one of the most underrated players of all time. Stock was extremely underrated because he never cared about how he was rated, so he never bragged or made a case for his greatness. If he had, he would have probably won MVPs during his career. He was far better than Steve Nash, who had multiple MVPs. You have to have brain damage to not recognize that Stockton was better than Steve Nash.
You cannot reasonably make an argument that Russell Westbrook or Steve Nash were better than John Stockton, despite winning MVPs, so the fact that there are 34 players who won MVP awards is irrelevant to the conversation.
Nobody votes for a player to be MVP, if that player isn't interested in being named MVP!
Do you know how many players in NBA history deserved MVP consideration, but didn't actually want it? ONE. John Houston Stockton.
Every year, players like LeBron, Steph, Harden, Karl Malone, and Michael Jordan go out to the press and make their case for why they should be the MVP, and the press picks one of those players to be MVP.
Stockton never did that. Hence, he was never considered for an MVP award.
Stockton didn't like the spotlight, and never campaigned for anything.
This is kind of like saying that Al Pacino was not among the greatest actors, because he was never even considered to be president of the United States, while Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump both won and became president, and Schwarzenegger became at lest a governor, thus they must be better actors than Al Pacino.
Al Pacino never ran for office. He was a far better actor than any of these guys.
Stockton also spent his entire career playing for a small market team that literally once had to trade away an MVP caliber player for cash so they could cover the salaries of the rest of the team.
Players on small market teams are much less likely to make all star games and get all nba and MVP consideration, even when they deserve it, because they're out in the boonies where nobody is paying attention to them.
That also plays into the championship conversation. Anybody who is making videos about the NBA should understand that championships don't define a player, as there are mitigating circumstances that are outside of that player's control on the court that determine if they can win a championship.
Small market teams are at a huge disadvantage compared to big market teams in the NBA. You can't hold that against a player who stayed loyal to a small market team for his entire career.
Stockton _was_ the best player on his team for almost his entire career. Calling him second fiddle to Malone is nitpicking at best. He was never second fiddle to Karl Malone. Stockton and Malone go hand in hand. Malone is not the player he was without Stockton next to him feeding him the ball. You can't separate the two. You can't rank them as one being better than the other. That's like trying to rank Usain Bolt's left foot over his right foot in determining the fastest man alive. Which foot was the fastest foot in the world? Well, without either one, Usain Bolt isn't an Olympic athlete, so it doesn't matter. That doesn't mean that Usain Bolt wasn't the GOAT because if you take away one of his feet his just a cripple and never makes an Olympic team.
Take away Scottie Pippen and Jordan never wins a championship, and is not even in the conversation for GOAT.
Not to mention the fact that you can't really compare these awards between eras. Someone playing in the Era of Michael Jordan and Hakeem Olajuwon can't be compared to someone who played in the era of Steve Nash, when there just happened to be nobody better in the league at the time. Steve Nash would never have won an MVP during the years of Stockton's prime - even if he produced those same MVP seasons statistically. Steve Nash just happened to be around and playing at a high level at a time where the talent level in the league dipped a little bit.
All star games and all nba awards similarly require players to go out and campaign to the media to be picked for those awards. These are not objective awards. These are subjective awards that are subject to the opinions and politics of the league and the media and fan voting. Yao Ming was not the greatest player in history, despite getting the most votes in all star history. He was just a guy who brought in a new audience of a billion people who all voted for him, even when he didn't deserve to be on an all star team.
And every year we have a big discussion about how the results get some things wrong. There were unquestionably years where Stockton deserved to be an all star when he wasn't picked. And he never made a stink about it, because he didn't care.
HAHA - you claim that John Stockton's "stats" never amounted to any significant type of winning? Are you serious? He had a .672 win percentage for his entire career! That is an AVERAGE of winning 55 games every year, for 19 years!
Oh my God, you're such a Hack!
Stockton was only the greatest passer because he played in a system that allowed him to be the greatest passer. Yeah - he was in that system because he was the greatest passer of all time! They made that system, because they had John freaking Stockton!
You could also say that Jordan was only such a great scorer because he played in a system that gave him so many opportunities to use his tremendous talent to score. If he hadn't played in that system, he wouldn't have scored 30 a game throughout his career. But he played in that system, because he was the greatest scorer in history, so they'd be idiots to not create a system that allowed him to do what he was so great at!
Magic Johnson didn't even have those great assist numbers early in his career because another guy was the starting PG. THE SAME CAN BE SAID FOR STOCKTON YOU MORON!!!! Did you think Stockton started his career as the starting PG, dishing out 14 assists per game in his rookie season?! Stockton is at a huge disadvantage to Magic, because Stockton was a 13th pick and wasn't expected to lead the team, while Magic was #1 and was put in the spotlight and allowed to contribute on a fantastic team the moment he first stepped on the court. Stockton wasn't even a starter until his 4th year. He played less than 25 minutes a game off the bench for his first 3 years! You absolutely are not even making fair comparisons with other players. You make excuses for other players, and are completely tone deaf to the fact that those same things apply to Stockton - and every other player in history!
Ok, I have to stop. You're raising my blood pressure. I'm done with this video. I don't need to see anything else to see that you're arguing to your conclusion rather than doing any kind of reasonable comparison.
Aside from the individual accolades which require subjective validation from the media and other factors, such as all star games and all nba awards, for which he is still among the greatest in history even without campaigning for those accolades, if you look at all of the metrics where there is no judgement, only objective comparisons, Stockton is among the greatest of all time.
How many players made the playoffs every single year of their career, and never played for a team that finished under .500, all while playing for the same team?
Career PER - 39th of ALL TIME
Career WS - 6th of ALL TIME
Offensive WS - 7th of ALL TIME
Defensive WS - 22nd of ALL TIME
WS/48 minutes - 18th of ALL TIME
Box Plus/Minus - 8th of ALL TIME
Offensive BP/M - 11th of ALL TIME
Defensive BP/M - 30th of ALL TIME
Value over Replacement Player - 3rd of ALL TIME
Career offensive rating - 7th of ALL TIME
Career defensive rating - 163rd of ALL TIME
His defensive rating is lower than the rest, but keep in mind that as a 6'1" guard, it's very difficult to compete with taller players. Gary Payton, widely thought as the best defensive PG of all time is not within the top 250. Jordan, who won DPOY is not in the top 100.
Stockton is easily a top 5 PG of all time, and is the best pure point guard in the history of the league.
Players like Steph Curry only surpass him because of things they do that are outside the normal purview of a point guard. Steph is a hybrid PG/SG, and is probably the 2nd best shooting guard in history while playing point guard. Magic Johnson was a hybrid PG/anything else you needed, who could literally step in at center and dominate and win the finals at the center position when your MVP center is injured.
If you take away these things outside the purview of the point guard and compare them, Stockton is the greatest point guard of all time.
Of course, that's not how it works. These players are better than Stockton because of their versatility. Nobody is claiming Stockton is better than these players.
But it's worth recognizing that nobody was better than Stockton at the things that Stockton did. Nobody was a better on ball defender. Nobody was a better floor general.
I recognize that nobody will ever read my ridiculous rant, but Jesus Christ. I'm going in and telling youtube to never recommend another of your videos after this. This was the most blatant biased nonsense I can even imagine.
Daaaaaamn, this post was beautiful!!! Thank you, I thoroughly enjoyed it, lol.
I skimmed through this and I agree. People crap on other players for the same reasons to uplift their favorite player. No consistency. People (Mostly Jordan fans like himself) knock Stockton, Lebron, Bill Russell, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq, Wilt, and Kobe all the while uplifting Jordan.
Skimmed through and the first thing I read was that Stockton didn't get an MVP or any votes because he didn't want to? And that players make their MVP case by going out to the press? No, players gets MVP votes if they play like one on the court and Stockton was never MVP level in his career. John's still a top 10 point guard ever but he's over rated sometimes
A long essay for what? Stockton while an all-time great was never a true MVP caliber player in any season of his career. It doesn't help that he played second fiddle for his entire career. Even Scottie Pippen was the lead man on his team at one point.
During those days, what do you expect from a point guard? Distribute the ball on offense, steal the ball on defense. He’s one the best pg of all time. Period.
John Stockton is NOT overrated, especially when most people discrediting/underrating him.
When people are putting Stockton in their top 3 they're overrating him
He couldn’t even be a first option on a playoff team and he placed top 8th in MVP voting once. I could argue he was never a top 10 player in his career
Giant L I know he is number 7 on my list
This one oldhead on Twitter who’s a huge LeBron hater says Curry has yet to pass Magic, Oscar, Gary Payton, Kidd, Stockton and Frazier.
Like wtf??? Somebody help me out here.
@@fuckcancerism that guy is tripping.
Hasn't passed Magic ok sure I'll give him that one.
Oscar, Payton, etc? No that guy is just wrong.
YALL STEADY DISRESPECTING A ALL TIME GREAT
F ten or he just sycks
@F ten oh right we should now
And oldheads stay disrespecting the great players today
Lakers Fan 2018 stop it
@F ten No left
I would take John Stockton on my team anytime.
So would any head coach ever tf
So would I but he's kinda right
Sure, but over which PGs? All time.
Other than magic steph Isaiah and maybe Oscar Robertson I’m taking Stockton over them
Yo B, you’re outta your mind. John Stockton was dope. Let the hall of famers talk about him.
Casual
"His play never led to winning", did I miss him making the finals and losing to Jordan several times?
he made the playoffs every year off his career losing to mj isn't an excuse to coming short in the playoffs repeatedly
David Charles he had his chance when MJ retired he and malone didn’t utilize their chance many times
''several'' more like a couple times he lost to jordan and alot of the jazz failures losses were his fault . due to his limitations on offense the jazz were very predictable and one dimensional. basically there offense was dump the ball to malone in the post or for a midrange jumper lol. how simple is that ?. john was more of a liability because he couldnt score especially during his later years.
that's the point LOSING to Jordan several times
@@maw02121 losing to mj isn't a excuse for sucking in the playoffs
Can't get behind this one man, sorry!
Stockton owns the record for the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 11th, and 17th most prolific single seasons in assists per game *and* total assists. For a career, only Magic has more assists per game, but Stockton played 6 seasons past his prime (Magic retired in his). Also, Stockton's steals per-game rank 7th in NBA history (in *spite* of him playing more games than all but 4 guys). His records for assists and steals will never come close to being beaten. His longevity (at his level) is also unparalleled.
How many greats failed to beat Jordan/Pippen/Jackson in the 90s again? And we could also compare Nash and his 2 MVP seasons; the ten seasons in Stockton's prime could easily be argued as MVP-caliber seasons in comparison. The dude won many games, and led the the 2nd best team in the league several years behind Jordan's Bulls. Stock was also a good shooter (from 2, 3, and the line).
Edit: Stockton was a backup his first 3 years and out of his prime (post 35th birthday and post-knee surgery) for his last 6!
John Stockton couldn’t shoot from the left side, stop the lies. He had trouble against guards not as great as him as mentioned in the video (Kenny Smith shot 63% from three against Stockton, how is that even possible?) and don’t try and tell me Kenny Smith is a legend. Sure he had longevity and good numbers in the regular season a lot of the time with great effiency for someone of his stature. But the playoff failures can’t just be ignored. While I don’t hold 1986 (a year he came off the bench) against him, I will hold all the years he was in his prime and choked against him. His prime opportunity to break through and win was in 1994 and in 1995 and what happened? They lost, with the other point guard on each team they faced exposing and offensively outclassing Stockton. He was a liability defensively, even in an era where he made 5 all defense teams. Sorry, but players numbers don’t lie when they played Stockton in the playoffs.
@@Orbitalresonancefrequencies Stockton shot 54.1% from 2, 38.4% from 3, and 82.6% from the line. He had some great playoff runs, and some that weren't so good - but Malone had his struggles in the playoffs as well. Those Jazz teams reached the Finals twice in a row, the conference finals 5 times in 7 seasons, and the playoffs all 19 years Stockton was there. I'm not saying Stock was the GOAT, but he is far better than you or LOW thinks he is.
@@prlysis Stockton played 19 seasons and only reached two finals. Even if you exclude his first few seasons coming off the bench him and Malone still had a lot of playoff chokes.
”Stockton wouldnt be shit without malone” well wtf we could apply that to anyone. What a silly point.
Out of those two, John Stockton was the more irreplaceable. If anything Karl Malone is overrated. Like Charles Barkley said, he probably got about 20,000 Points off passes from John Stockton.
Naturally a guy who made a video on why Assists are overrated would think the NBAs all time assist leader is an overrated player.
Yes, Stockton benefited from the Jazz system where his pass-first approach raised his assist totals. But, if the pick-and-roll were "such a simplistic system," then why didn't other teams employ this strategy to elevate an great-but-not elite point guard to an all-time level? The system came about not only because of Karl Malone but also because Stockton was the ideal player suited for leading that system.
That said, coming out of college, Stockton was a very capable scorer when given the responsibility to be the first option scorer. In the current era, or even just a short while ago had he been coached by a D'Antoni or Don Nelson, Stockton could very well have been a Steve Nash in terms of individual accomplishments--winning TWO MVP awards as an efficient/low volume scorer while piling up assists--except he also played terrific defense.
Going back to the "he had help" argument, more highly-ranked point guards had significantly better depth of help (i.e. multiple-time all-stars)--most playing concurrently with said historic point guard:
Magic: Kareem (19), Worthy (7), Bob McAdoo (5), Jamaal Wilkes (3), Norm Nixon (2)
Oscar: Kareem (19), Jerry Lucas (7), Jack Twyman (6), Bob Dandridge (4), Wayne Embry (4)
Isiah: Dumars (6), Laimbeer (4), Mark Aguirre (3), Rodman (2 + 2 DPOY)
Stockton had only 2 such players in Karl (14) and Jeff (2) Malone. The point is that Stockton's assists were elevated despite having Mailman plus a bunch of teammates who played well in their respective roles more than they were as individually accomplished players. While Stockton's Jazz should not have lost in the first round so many times, no one player could have led those Jazz teams to realistically defeat Magic's Lakers, The Bad Boy Pistons, Prime Olajuwon, or the 90's Bulls. Heck, even the G.O.A.T. struggled with all of them, including a losing career head-to-head record vs. Hakeem.
You’re asking why other teams didn’t copy a simple system, as if that simple system worked come play off time.
Also I appreciate the respect on Hakeems name. Easily the most underrated player ever and it’s not close.
Because the system didn't prove that effective in winning titles
The man also had to be applauded as being the most durable point guard of all time
@@grayson0916 I think that the issue with the jazz was that aside from Karl and John, they didn't really have anybody else who was really any good. Jeff Malone was pretty good but he wasn't there for the 2 finals, but Ostertag wasn't any good, Hornacek was very average, Russell was average.
Agree on Olajuwon. He is horribly under appreciated. In my opinion, he's in the greatest center discussion, but nobody ever watched him play, so they don't know. He was never on TV much, so I feel like I was robbed of the chance to see more of him. But that man was giving it to everybody.
Should have added what other players from his era said about him.
@Keyan Dehghan MJ also drafted Kwamè Brown (in my Steven A. voice) lol.
@Keyan Dehghan I think that list is flawed, I agree their are 30 better players, more athletic, etc... but when you mention PG's, some folks got him top 3. I don't care about a list etc... just feel dude disrespectful. But he can put whoever he wants in any list he wants
@Keyan Dehghan He went to college with Worthy. Hence the bias.
We here for this Mr.LegendofSimping 😈
Do you even know what a simp is, dont use it in a sentence if you dont know what it means
Itsyaboiswish 06 lmao LOW calls himself that 🤣 just stop it’s his own joke
I still prefer to call him legend of dumdum.
Itsyaboiswish 06 looks like you don’t watch the podcast
@@itsyaboiswish0635 hi get what you mean, but that's a joke agent and low have
I don’t really like this argument of players benefitting from a system. Wtf you want the system to do? Play to their weaknesses. If the Star player isn’t benefitting from the system he’s in then the coach is doing something wrong. Not only did John benefit from the system, he ran it with impeccable efficiency.
Right? I feel like this argument can be used for any all time great
And they still lost
Tbh I’m still giving this man top 5 pg.
NBA RUclips just hates Stockton damn
Chicken Bubblegum Yes because that was his only point, nice observation
Chicken Bubblegum he had other comp and was outplayed
NBA Deleted Scenes he had to play vs Michael Jordan...
Its because they do their reasearch and know basketball... Theres people who say stockton Is better than isiah Thomas so i think they have a point
OMG thank you 🙏 someone ppl ain’t blind.
"Stock was always the #2 guy on his team" logic, name the PG (besides Magic or Oscar) who would've been the best player on a team with a prime Karl Malone?
Steph and Isiah Thomas. Perhaps GP. Maybe Dame. Malone choked repeatedly in the clutch.
@@trippin9298 no Jerry Sloan always ran his offense through Karl so he would have turned them all into pass first PG
Malone is a top10 player of all time. Dame isn’t going to be better
@@jabariburton6109 Depends on the skill set Jerry sloan never seen a point gaurd that could dominate like Malone and shoot like that in the clutch he'd hand him the keys after seeing him in practice so not true esp Steph
@@mperformance3502 if u think Malone is top 10 over Lillard even tho Lillard is clearly better in a harder time and can score way better and shoot like Malone couldnt even dream of, Malone can't shoot threes u telling me he's top 10 over Damion Lillard mr. Half court and plays like Steph? Ur on crack
Stockton is easily one of the most underrated players in the sport and your argument is truly what... that he should be ranked as the 43rd best player instead of an outrageous 28th? Calm down, LOW...most people don't even the recognize this legend so its hard to complain about a man few give any regard.
Stockton was an amazing passer and steal artist. He literally leads the league in career assists and steals. On top of this, as mentioned, he was insanely ahead of all people in passing. He’s obviously a top 5 point guard. Top 30 players ever? Obviously! No, he isn’t top 15 or anything. But clearly he’s not overrated.
Did you watch the video
Let me know when someone breaks his all time assist and steals records I’ll be waiting
Who cares? You can keep all the stats. We'll just keep the rings, the glory, and the legacy (plus a few stats of our own lol).
The Ultimate Rage dude you have no stats or rings 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@TheUltimateRageThis guy said We and Us like he did something for the teams.
@@Stickykobe420 that was a burn 😆
Fax, this guys hating
This is like saying Tom Brady can’t be the G.O.A.T because he’s in a system that fits him
Yeah except Tom Brady has 6 rings, 4 super bowl mvps, 3 regular mvps, countless records... The list goes on. Though i definitely get what your saying
Except that Brady has rings...
john stockton’s impact and accolades in the nba have nothing on tom brady and the nfl
@@andysweatshard6201 Exactly ! Brady performed BETTER in the playoffs. I cannot say the same for Stockton outside of the two finals runs.
Brady isn't the goat
All the Legends who faced him like Kidd recognize him as the greatest pure PG! If anything John is underrated! He made Malone, was an efficient shooter, played great D, and was the best floor general in history!
John Stockton couldn’t win a championship because he never had a good enough coach or a good enough scorer to play along side him other than Karl Malone.
Most nba players have said Stockton was one of the toughest players to play in that era look it up.... nba players know basketball tv personallys do not
K
Have you listened to Paul Pierce talk basketball?
Jake Wallace Paul Pierce? Ryan Hollins? Lmao
If Gary Payton thinks Stockton is the toughest to guard then I’d like to see him go up against Curry, Lillard, Kyrie, Westbrook, CP3, etc.
Ethan Ennis bro he went to the Finals and averaged 9 points. I don’t care what NBA players say, he was not some crazy scorer ever. Foh lmao
“But wait it gets worse” I love that for some reason lol 😂😂😂
"But wait... it still SOMEHOW gets worse"
Great catchphrase
Stockton had just a understated style of play. No flash, just fundamental. He never got too much attention in an era with Jordan, Pippen, Barkley, Shaq, Ewing, Olajuwon, Robinson, etc.... Malone even said he took him for granted, because his performance was always just expected. It is only after the fact that we really have gained an appreciation for his game. He was always underestimated, but consistently outplayed everyone else on the floor for 19 years. he didn't just fill up the stat sheet for himself either. Look at the win/loss column for his team. Look at the points Malone was able to score on those perfectly placed passes. There is a valid argument that it was Stockton that made Malone and not the other way around. Wilt Chamberlin said he was the most complete point guard he had ever seen and that he would take Stockton over Isiah Thomas (SG) or Magic (Point Forward before we knew what this way) if he was building a team. I was never a huge fan of the Jazz, but Stockton deserves the credit he has been getting regarding where he ranks all-time.
Hes not FUXKING with magic I have no clue how these 6foot 1 6foot2 players like Nash and Stockton ARNT anywhere near athletic even make it to the nba seems like they just looking out for their own cause can these guys even dunk
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I think it’s a solo player or team player deal, I think if I had one star on my team I’d rather have AI but as a team of stars I’d want to have Stockton. Stockton is a ceiling raiser more than a floor raiser
As a Laker fan, there is no player that I feared more than John Stockton. I appreciate the breakdown, but the argument about the pick and roll being rudimentary is ridiculous and lazy - you have to know how to read the game to perfect that play.
My nigga his offense was hey Malone’s open in the midrange, or for a dunk. He gets cooked by guards only steals from the passing lane. Saying you feared John Stockton more then Karl Malone is absolutely ridiculous.
@@VictoriesAtTheMarathon great point. Respect.
@@rigogutierrez4700 Stockton was like CP3 if CP3 had actual talent on the Clippers outside of injury prone players.
@@VictoriesAtTheMarathonnope. Stockton was unreal. You are completely minimizing his talent.
Absolutely tragic level of disrespect. You have no idea how integral his PG duties were to the hall of fame career of Karl Malone
its the other way round 😹💀
@@bedrigelle1986 ok. Are you in the hall?
Ask NBA players what they think of John Stockton and they won’t say he’s overrated.
This is literally the most uneducated bball take that I've ever seen. I appreciate the time put into it, but the creator is not seeing the forest for the trees. Literally every single criticism is either erroneous, irrelevant, utterly myopic, or purposely misleading.
Expound
I'm glad you're putting that word of the day calendar to good use, but...feel free to elaborate on your point.
Nah just the truth hurts
I made a long post breaking down all the issues with the video. Not getting as many likes as your comment because it’s too long but your comment basically sums up my post. I agree with creator that Stockton isn’t top 20. I disagree with him that there is no way Stockton is top 30. He is certainly in that 28-35 group.
The creator not only cherry picked stats but his analysis was wrong or misleading. I’ll just point out that in the playoff comparisons, he showed Sleepy Floyd and Stocktons stats and said Stockton underperformed. The fact is that both Sleepy and Stockton would average about the same in the regular season as they did in that series - because Stockton wasn’t a star yet in 1987. That was a crappy job by the creator
He couldn't have seen him play,Stockton was very good and this comes from an ex-Laker fan,now fan of no one team,just the league!!!
I watched Swishout’s video about Stockton and I believe he is truly underrated. There is a video roaming around the internet that when he left to go outside during the dream team time, he wasn’t even noticed. The only reason why he isn’t talked enough is because of the fact that he is ringless. And without a doubt he is a top 5 PG ever. Even Gary Payton said it himself.
Edit: I meant the Glove said that Stockton was harder to guard and I meant to say John was top 10
Agreed
I got him number 6. Magic, curry, oscar, Isiah Thomas, Nash and then Stockton
Idk about top 5, great pg but he was outplayed a lot and he wasn’t a top 5-10 player for most of his career. Elite stats and some accolades, but not much other than that. Can’t have him in the top 5 pg. He ain’t better than magic, Curry, isiah, Oscar, or Jerry west.
NTE_Showtime aint no way is he a top 5 pg Westbrook is a better pg and Chris Paul is to he didn’t do anything that significant for him to be top 5 he top 10 but not even top 7 in my eyes
He’s not even top 10
Damn 17:28 Gary Payton locked Stockton ass down completely🤣🤣
And people say I'm crazy when I say payton is better than stockton
Itsyaboiswish 06 Gary Payton also locked up Jordan but he’s definitely not better
Mustakin Miah payton should be a top 20 player all time, people just don’t like him
And I’m also a Jazz fan
In the Playoffs:
John Stockton = 10x assists leader, 2x steals leader.
John Stockton >>>>> Gary Payton.
He's on the list of most underrated. 6 seasons he had better numbers than steve nashs mvp years
Next video he is gonna say Larry Bird is overrated 😂😂😂
Larry is underrated lol.
Stock was an outstanding 3 point shooter. If he played today in his prime he'd easily have multiple 20+ point seasons.
he had no left
Nick Kalavritinos he would also get locked up on Defense
He played in the previous era his name was Steve nash
Ehhh not really. Nothing more but a 15 PPG scorer. He doesn’t have that scorers gene hence why his career high is only a pathetic 34 points.
Even if that was true. He still wouldn’t be a top 3 pg like most people have him. Some people say he’s the best pg ever. My top 3 is Magic, Curry, Robertson. With Nash, Stockton, and West about tied.
Stocktons play style wasn’t meant for a first option on a team
*on a championship team
Probably true. You need a scorer for first option. I’d say he makes for top 2 PG in a team where he isn’t first option but a top 5 PG overall
- That is it. Research was solid. Presentation was annoying. The creator probably could have shorten it by half, but its Covid19 so why not 19 minutes. Conclusion? Stockton is a great Top 50 player but...individually not a top 30 guy b/c he plays within a system.
@@wingstop5541 Another guy who plays in a system, Tony Parker... He has 4 chips and 1 finals mvp and gets less recognition than stockton. People dont throw him in a top 50 but he has a case.Tony was extremely talented and a main key on those Spurs teams from 2004-2014
My title "WHY JOHN STOCKTON IS THE MOST HATED PLAYER OF ALL-TIME"😂
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Fr all I hear from his name is that he was dirty or overrated
C AB he’s not hated he’s overrated. People think he’s a top 5 pg😂
@@hellothere9579 dirty??
Jason Smiley not better than magic, zeke, Oscar, Steph, or Cp😂 that’s 5
Dude has the most unbreakable record in all of sports shot over 50% in 19 years of nba ball definitely not overrated
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C'mon on LOW, this video right here, is a new low for you.
Why LOW is the most OVERRATED nba RUclipsr.
Mike Korzemba*
Why dxfifa is on drugs
He is tbh. Watch his old NBA draft takes lmao.
"Clickbait alert!"
LB James : 10,045 Assists - 4,788 Turnovers 🤔
Jason Kidd : 12,091 Assists - 4,003 Turnovers 🙄
John Stockton : 15,806 Assists - 4,244 Turnovers 😲.... do your math.. !
@The Golden Warriors That his assists to turnovers ratio is much better than James and Kidd, who are elite passers themselves.
Wow another NBA youtuber calling Stockton overrated whe they were never around to see him play and judge everything off of stats and youtube clips smh
you think its that hard to go find and watch full game tape of the guy? Its 2020. you are already on youtube you are more than halfway there.
So that means we can only judge players we watch that dumb
Hes a top 10 pg
Top 20-30 pg
Lakers Fan 2018 Hold on now, you cannot name 20 PGs better than John Stockton
Ethan Ennis yes I can
Ethan Ennis with ease
6 through 9 on my list
Never talked about his steals lol
all this video did was show how UNDERRATED John Stockton really is
Tuned out your misguided attempt to discredit one of the greats and just watched the highlights of him...
John Stockton is the greatest 90’s PG of All-Time.
Facts
Exactly
You applied context when it came to John's career stat lines and then removed that same context when it came to comparing numbers in the playoffs against other point guards.
Everyone knows John Stockton was a facilitator. No one is surprised that Gary Payton outscored him in a playoff series.
It's preference. I would rather have a facilitator than a scorer at PG. My philosophy is that you have to have specific players around your scorer at PG or you turn into the Atlanta Hawks with Trae Young.
Stockton-Malone should just be considered one player
I’m curious LOW, where do you rank KD all time as of now
I think at least top 30 or 25
@@razza1580 nah man kd is at the least top 15 and on my all time list he's 12-13
dolan's knicks same
Top 15
Rings, MVP and FMVP's
I disagree, john stockton was a elite playmaker and great shooter.
Good shooter.
@@arsonhakobyan 20th all-time in true shooting percentage. A bit better than "good", I'd say.
@@c99kfm That is mostly attributed to his legendary great shot selection.
I would love to see a breakdown of how he got assists, so I could see how he did outside the half-court set, because he was an excellent passer. Additionally, to be impressive with steals as well, it does indicate greatness. For sure, longevity must be taken into account, since other players are given the nod because of it.
Great perspective, I must say. It definitely makes me want to dive into the breakdown I mentioned above, because a lot of what made him great was in how he did what he did, not just that he did it.
I cannot say where he should be ranked but this video really makes me even more excited about basketball than I already am.
EVERYONE who played against Stockton sings his damned praises. Coaches sang his praises. Every great player and great coach has nothing but pure praise for Stockton. That HAS to say something. I totally understand the points you are making though. But I just can't get over how many legends love this guy. Barkley said he was the perfect point guard. Gary Payton said he was the hardest player to guard. Wilt Chamberlain when asked who his favorite (current) player was, said "you won't believe this, but I really like Johny Stockton". Isiah Thomas said that he thought John Stockton made Karl Malone, and not vice versa. There are plenty more who I'm forgetting, but you get the point. Those who competed against this guy seem to universally agree that he was most excellent at his job.
Breh he dead ass played every game😂
So
This video is well put together and very knowledgeable but in my opinion there is no way Stockton is overrated
If people consider him a top 30 player and top 5 pg then yes he’s overrated
How!?
He's definitely top 30
NBA Deleted Scenes he is def a top 30 player top 5 is a stretch tho
Russell Castillo nah. His accolades and playoff success doesn’t match other players. He was outplayed too many times for him to be in the top 30
I feel like the same people who say John is overrated are the same who say Nash deserved those 2 MVPs and is an all time great.
Ironically you're underestimating the factor that makes him an all-time: consistency
Yeah it's crazy he seems to act like longevity hurts stocktons case which doesn't make sense
@@LK.1207 Yeah. Longevity if anything helps a player. It was on the side of Lebron, Kareem, Stockton and Pippen. All made it to the playoffs out of their primes in the later years
Your high Low he’s the greatest passes of all time 🤦🏻
one of the greatest, i don't think he is the greatest
The most prolific at least.
Magic is the best passer of all-time Stockton literally just dumped it down so Malone could do all the work. Magic created plays Stockton was just apart of them.
@@yourhandsomestep-dad2669 magic #1 and Nash #2 imo. Those 2 are on their own tier of passing.
Magic
In facts, you didn't mention Stockton's all-time great assist to turnover ratio. Getting 10 assists isn't all the impressive when you turn the ball over 5 times to get those 10 assists. Also, you briefly mentioned his efficiency as if it wasn't a bid deal. But having one of the all time best true shooting percentages is a big deal.
Blah blah blah. Those stats never translated into winning.
If John Stockton played 4.5 less seasons, bringing his career to 14.5 years, that's the same amount of time Chris Paul has been playing, he would still be the All-Time assist leader, people just can't appreciate greatness.
9:53 “Never led to any significant type of winning”
Never missed playoffs
5 conference finals births
2 championship births to only be cut down by Jordan and the Bulls
Naw you right no significant winning
If we talk about the top 30 and if he didn’t get a chip then no it’s not significant. Didn’t he make the playoffs 19 years? And didn’t he see Jordan only 2 times? What about the part of the video that talks about 8 first round bounces and only 5 conference appearances? That’s a lot of underachieving to me if we’re talking top 30
This man propped up Dwyane Wade as a better player. Yet knocked Stockton for being a number 2 option. Refresh my memory, who was on the Heat in those Finals births? He wants to be logical yet uses hypocrisy
@@JoeBurgettMusic .........you realize dwade won a ring before lebron right you also realize dwade was a mvp candidate also right? I think you had a brain fart there sir
@@JoeBurgettMusic wade won a chip in 2006
@@dishantithomas4198 He had Shaq, the single most physically dominant big since Wilt. So his point is still valid.
You put "context" on somethings and leave it out on others. You have to stay consistent, bruh. I agreed with you on him not being to 30 all time, but he's definitely top 5 PG all time.
Like what?
Magic, Curry, Oscar, CP3, Kidd, Isiah?
He's not top 5 bruh
Fundamentals 2k I’m not taking kidd or CP3 over Stockton
Magic, IT, Steph, The Glove, CP3 and Nash are way better. shit Westbrook might be better
Low I’m already disappointed. I ain’t even watch the vids yet🤦🏿♂️
i think stocton refused to sign your autogragh as a kid because he was in a rush and you still think about it till this day
If this guy is overrated then AI is straight up garbage? What are you smoking man?
Dude you lost me, how you turn longevity into a negative has blown my mind. Plus downplaying the pick and role offense when damn near ever nba team does it now. 20 years and 20 playoffs what more do you need. If Stockton played now he would kill because the game is less physical and the court has more space.
He thinks playing in the NBA for 19 seasons means nothing. LMAO!!!!
He needs to make his youtube money 💰 thats why!
Overated?? Dude what are you smoking?? Do you even watch basketball??
Bird, Magic, Isiah, Hakeem, and Jordan... and you want Stockton to win MVP in his career? Charles barely got his. Literally impossible
I thought the title was purposely sarcastic because of how underrated Stockton was/is. Now I am sad.
He’s not underrated.
@@Abbad1579 Eh, to each his own. Agree to disagree.