Noah Lyles Surpasses Bolt's Speed
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Despite a slow start, Lyles picked up speed and passed his competitors, almost catching Coleman at the finish line during the 2023 Bermuda Grand Prix men's 100-meter race. In the final 50 meters, Lyles covered the distance in just 4.05 seconds, which was faster than Usain Bolt's time of 4.11 seconds.
This is absolutely amazing because no one could even get close to this time, let alone surpassing it, regardless of weather conditions.
For all the people saying this was only possible because it was wind aided. Wind Assistance only gives accelerating force in the first few steps of the race, as it is the portion where the athlete's velocity is slower than the wind speed. In the upright portion of the race, a tailwind will have a much smaller increase in speed as the only benefit would be reduced air resistance. If an athlete can run with the same technique and force application in legal conditions, they will be able to produce similar results in the 2nd half (Tyson Gay PRs are a good example of this). That being said, Bolt's 100m record is probably not going to fall soon as no current sprinter has the combination of qualities to cover the initial 60 in under 6.3 seconds while maintaining their velocity without falling apart. The 200 on the other hand...
Idk about that analysis. Tyson hit two .80s 10m splits in a row (50-60m, 60-70m) in his 9.68 (+4.1). Wind makes a huge difference post acceleration too
That's not true unfortunately.
The wind benefit is actually lower at the start of the race because the athletes are in a crouched position.
While it is true that the wind velocity relative to the athlete is lower at higher running speeds and there is less force applied to the athletes body from a stationary perspective. The wind resistance (which is higher at high speeds) is also lower because the air is not coming towards the athlete as fast.
Both effects cancel each other out and the wind benefit remains the same regardless of speed.
haha. You don't know shit. Wind makes a huge difference.
Tail wind is horizontal assistance. Head wind is resistance.
Tail wind is like being towed from someone. Head wind is like dragging a sled!
@@larryreed1756 When did I ever state I was an expert? I was merely sharing my opinion that I am supposedly entitled to...
@@dolphinreacts532 You are entitled to your opinion. But Newton's laws are unaffected by them.
You lost the argument after you mentioned that there was tailwind of 4.4 m/s
No, because, remember? Wind and PEDs and genetics don't matter. They don't help. 😉🤡
💯 nothing is comparable to bolt. Let nature take its course. Noah broke the American record with 19.31 and bolt ran 19.30 while slowing down celebrating at the 2012 Olympics
@@ronartez1289bro ran thru the line for the 19.3 what 😭😭😭 however bolt did run a 19.19 into a slight headwind and a 19.3 into a decent headwind so truly bolts times are just faster than lyles at this point
Lol so true.
@@o_CwNOOB_o He said he felt a pain that's why but he didn't want to lose, so when he saw yohan couldn't pass him he slowed at the end
You put so much focus on Lyles' top end speed, yet Coleman was closer to Bolt's record than Lyles in this race hahahahahaha
That’s not the point of this video. The point is to show a tiny bit of potential that the record will be broken someday
@@ccbgaming6994 Not by lyles
@@r4sh609 Ok, but this is talking about competition as a whole. It only further demonstrates how insane Bolt's record is.
I’ll believe it when he beats bolts time the clock does not lie
Of course its an unfair advantage 😂 cant compare to Bolt when he's getting that boost
He averaged 0.81s per 10m in the last 50 . But i mean if u count races with illegal wind , Tyson Gay had a faster top speed than bolt too , he reached 45km/h at his 9.68 race , faster than bolt 44.74 km/h
that never happened, the split analysis was wrong there
@@TobyFromGT check it out online . If the analysis was wrong , I wouldn't have known obviously .
Inaccurate splits in the 9.68 from USATF
Well damn. I just made a comment talking about the same race.
Doesn't it depend on which 10m chunks you decide to analyse? The 30 to 40 or the 36 to 46 or whatever... Sorry to say but this is brick layer science at best buy vloggers trying to sound smart.
Had Bolt had a +4.4 tailwind on his WR, he would have run 9.43.
maybe 9.2
@@TheWayToWin so you admit, you did not take that into account?
@@odumosuolusegun2781 I am just making Bolt's fans happy
@@TheWayToWin you're just being silly, that's what.
@@Yes_I_c4n No, because bigger athletes encounter more air resistance, so for Bolt, wind in either direction is a disadvantage.
“it only looked like lyles turned on the afterburners.” that has nothing to do with wind. yes, they all received the same +4.4 wind, but lyles finished quickly because that’s what he almost always does in every 100m race. also if you watch every coleman/lyles head to head race, lyles closes the same way he did here. it’s no different. therefore you can’t make the argument that he ran a faster last 50m especially since there was excessive wind assistance. lyles has to be able to close faster than 4.11 in LEGAL conditions.
anyway, where did you find these splits for this race? i’m interested to see how fast everyone else covered the last 50m, in particular, coleman, because at least there are a few 100m splits for him (London 2019 and Doha 2019 10m splits)
False splits, it’s not even a 50m mark
Wind does not affect the last portion of a race at the elite level
@@crap_bag_trust clown
@@raysprint4923 good argument that really convinced me
@@crap_bag_trust If we take a look at tyson gay's wind-aided 9.68 (+4.1), his splits were as follows:
1.95 1.03 0.89 0.87 0.83 0.80 0.80 0.82 0.83 0.86
Versus his legal 9.71 (+0.9) (I couldn't find his 9.69 so this is as close as we can get):
1.89 1.03 0.91 0.87 0.86 0.83 0.81 0.82 0.84 0.85
it seems like the second half of the race (or once they approach top speed) is affected by the wind, but not so much the start/acceleration. Even Bolt hasn't hit two 0.80 10m splits, he has 0.82 0.80 0.81 0.82 0.84 from his 9.58, and 0.82 0.80 0.81 0.83 0.84 from his 9.63, which had a strong legal tailwind of +1.5 (this 9.63 converts to roughly 9.70 with 0 wind), which is supported by the fact that Bolt's season's best at the time was like 9.76. Then again the argument in the video is that Noah Lyles ran the fastest last 50m, but I want to see official splits before we can say that for sure.
Also, note that Gay's start was pretty good when he ran 9.71, he was marginally behind Bolt and Powell, who split 1.85, 2.89, and 1.87, 2.91, respectively, whereas Gay split 1.89, 2.92. When he ran 9.68 he was running against others like Walter Dix and Doc Patton, who don't start well, so even though he was winning from the first 10m of that race, it was only because everyone else in that race starts poorly, Gay just managed an average start.
Don't disrespect bolt like that
Considering this is the channel that opened my eyes and taught me to truly understand the science of sprinting, I'm immensely disappointed by this video.
First, The title is an outright lie. Top-end speed isn't measured over large splits like 40m or 60m because speed can & often does vary greatly over such long distances. Top-end speed is measured over 10m splits or, if the technology allows for it, even shorter distances. As the distance covered in a split increases, all you can know for sure is what the runner's average speed was because they could have reached a speed of 20m/s but if they only maintained that speed for 5m and slowed down to 10m/s for the other 5m of a 10m split, then their average speed would've been 15m/s despite their actual top speed having been 20m/s.
Second, Lyles had a massive tailwind that was more than double the allowable limit, disqualifying him from any contention for the highest legitimate top-end. As someone what in the comments said, if we're counting races with illegal tailwinds, then there are numerous races with faster top-end speeds, like Tyson Gay's 9.68 and Justin Gatlin's 9.4 (with giant fans at his back).
Third and finally, saying that Su Bingtian 6.29 60m split shows us that the Bolt's record is breakable is beyond laughable when this channel BEAT INTO ME the lesson that runners pay for strong starts like that with a decreased ability to maintain speed at the end of a race because of the high energy expenditure. Truly disappointing
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I used to be a fan of this channel until a couple years ago when he started straight up telling lies and deleting the comments of anybody that called him out on it. You’re right that this video is a lie, but unfortunately most content from this channel is flawed at best, but many people aren’t aware because of all the comments saying otherwise being deleted.
@@elijahkeller3409 agreed!
Well realistically speaking, no one is going from 20m/s to 10m/s within 10m, but yeah, top speed shouldn't be measured in 40m. Also the idea that runners pay for fast starts is a misconception. It's only when people are trying too hard off of the start (i.e. straining, gritting teeth, tense face, etc.) that they expend too much energy and have nothing left for the end. Bolt (when he started well like in his 9.68 9.69 and 9.72), Greene, and Powell (when he didn't choke) showed that you can hold your speed after a great acceleration if you were relaxed. In an interview Greene said tat "it's hard to accelerate efficiently because you have to run as fast as you can but be as relaxed as you can." Su is never relaxed off of the start, you can see both in the outdoor 100m and indoor 60m he's always gritting his teeth and straining his face so he wastes so much energy to where whether he splits 6.29 or 6.4 he's going to decelerate a lot because he has nothing left in the tank.
@@user-ze3sg6ix1u You're absolutely right. Su pays for any start because he wastes too much energy tensing up while accelerating.
This vid is so irrelevant no offense. Lyles had a whole hurricane behind him and couldn’t even break 9.8. If bolt had that same tailwind his last 50 woulda been in the 3 secs.
LMAO
Yet another hater!
@shamoriwall How is he hating when he’s telling the truth?
Gatlin on the Japanese gameshow with a fan had way higher top end speed if we're playing stupid games. Windspeed is a huge factor in top end speed reached, an illegal wind top end is not relevant.
I know you just can't compare as his wind was 4.4 m per second which everyone knows gives you a higher top end speed imagine if bolt had a wind a 9.80 isn't even fast for the amount of wind there was im getting sick and tired of all this hype bs when the more wind there is the more speed it gives you just facts
@@DG-iu8ck exactly, its stupid it can vary as kuch as 3-4 kmph within the kegal wind ranges -2 to +2. These athletics channels take extrapolating times way too far now.
Justin Gatlin Ran 100m 9.45s With Crazy Wind-Aid system :)
May 24, 2023 Justin Gatlin can not be compared since had been banned TWICE for illegal substances
@@winterhug4331 not really don't parrot everything you hear somebody else says. His first ban shouldn't have even been a ban he was taking meds for his medical condition. It's well documented. Now the second time, I can't speak to what the deal was 😊
Justin Gatlins ending 40m split was slowers than bolt despite with a 20m/s tailwind, since that is how tail wind works at the elite level
@@ronester1yeah for the first drug that fuck him up .😂🤣😂🤣
@@ronester1The deal was that he’s a drug cheat lol…
Nice but ain’t nobody beating bolts 100 m record not any time soon
lets be real split analysis is always inaccurate
True
It is if people cannot analyse positions properly. If camera angles are above or side on, it can be as accurate as photo finish readings. Using TV angles and 50fps gives errors of +/-0.02
@@nsxperformance in most world Championship races the splits are accurate but if it not a championship race the splits are estimations
@@humanboy395 those 100m splits from USAs last year were so off, there were a bunch of random 0.7X 10m splits at like 90m that didn't make sense
@@humanboy395 yeah i know, USAs isn't the world championships, so i was going along with you saying that non-championship race splits are off
Foolishness, until he dethrone Blake as the second fastest, you can compare him with Bolt. For now he's not a comparison to Bolt...
FFS, you can't just redefine top end speed over whatever distance suits you. By that definition Eliud Kipchoge has the fastest top end speed...over 42km. That is not "top end speed". Top end speed is the fastest 10m interval, because that is as far as a human can sustain max velocity at maximal effort sprinting at the elite level. Bolt ran 44.94km/h over his fastest 10m split of 0.801s- definitively the fastest a human has ever run with legal wind. A 4.4m/s wind isn't even worth reporting on unless somebody runs 9.4s with it.
Lyles had 4,4m/s wind in the Back...
Well Tyson Gay also had a faster top speed when he ran 9.68 with illegal wind in 2008
And Justin Gatlin too, when he ran with fans aid
Whats the point of this the wind was not legal
terrible click bait. Sad really
I know a 4.4 m per second wind which obviously going to push you to a faster top end speed which isn't even legal wind and they trying to compare him to bolt what a joke
No one racing right now will ever approach bolts 100m or 200m records. It will be another 30 years before someone gets close to breaking it. People DO NOT UNDERSTAND, how incredible Usain Bolt is. A ranking of over 1350 is beyond comprehension. Lyles is good but he will never break the 100 or 200 records.... Ever
Agree with you
As much as I love Bolt, I think 30 years is a bit of a stretch, especially for the 200m. Lyles has a decent chance at the world record, but he really needs to clean up his start/acceleration to do so. If we look at the splits for Bolt's 19.19 and Lyles 19.31, we have as follows: 9.92+9.27 and 10.15+9.16, respectively. Now, you can say that Bolt's last 100m was slower because of the -0.3 headwind, with Lyle's faster last 100m because of a +0.4 tailwind. Doing the conversion, that puts those last 100m at roughly 9.25 and 9.18, so I think it's safe to say that Lyles finishes faster than Bolt. Which again, isn't anything out of the ordinary because Johnson (9.20) and Blake (9.12) finish faster. So the issue isn't the final 100m, it's the first 100m that Lyles really needs a lot of work to be put in. However, if he does get the record it's going to be marginally faster, maybe 19.17 at best, not the "19.10" he's been saying he's going after. Knighton has a much better shot at the 200m considering the fact that he's faster than when Bolt was 18. Remember, Bolt ran 19.99 at 18 years (19.93 at 17), meanwhile, Knighton ran 19.49. With splits of 10.26+9.23, we now how to look at the wind reading which was +1.4, so that final 100m would convert to around 9.29, so that would make him slower than Bolt in the last 100m. While I think Lyles needs to improve the final 100m, Knighton needs to improve every part of the race. He can run a good bend, but he needs to start better and get physically faster (top-speed-wise). And then be able to hold it without getting run down like we saw when he went head-to-head with Lyles and got caught.
As for the 100m, considering no one has gotten within 0.11 ever, and 0.18 recently (Coleman, Bromell, and Kerley went 9.76), that 100m will stand for probably another 15 years. (I hope I don't sound like a dick by typing a lot lmao, I just had a lot of stats to bring up)
@@brianong671 I understand your point but that record is nearing the human limits of sprinting. I truly do not think it can be lowered by more than a 10th of a second. It would take a perfect race to equal that time. I would give it 20-30 years before it is broken
@@brianong671he was being politically correct. No 1 breaking UB record in the 100& 200 no1.
Noah Lyles Surpasses Bolt's Speed ...No matter how its put JAMAICA has 100 and 200 meter world records...SPIN it in everyway
all records are meant to be broken
Need to factor in the slow start means he had energy left to burn, he was drafting the person in front of him and the tailwind definitely helps
what a clickbait...
lyles top speed 43.9 bolt top speed 44.7
Hey man. I remember reading one of Gay's splits for his 9.68 from 2008. He split a 0.80 sec 10m. I think that's the fastest 10m split recorded.
Compare the splits for 9.71 with those for 9.68, and you'll see that the 9.68 splits don't make sense. The 10m splits are the hardest to get, so researchers often adjust them based on their personal beliefs.
@@TheWayToWin Ye I just saw someone comment about the same thing. I had no idea they were that bad. I haven't compared the 9.71 to 9.68 splits, so I wouldn't have noticed
@@khumokwezimashapa2245 in the wind-assisted race, his deceleration was steeper.
How do you figure thats the equivalent to running a 400 at 42.5?? And Im not sure its evident that the 100 is the HARDEST event to break
Noone except bolt had run faster than 12.04 m/s without wind. Bolt ran 12.35. Thats a whole foot per second. That's 2.6% faster. It's insane
When this show off run faster than 11:11 and 9:54 we can start the "being faster than Bolt" conversation 😂😂😂😂
Some may argue he received an unfair advantage. Love it. Some? Wtf... he ran under ilegal wind conditions. It's like saying my car is faster downhill than your car uphill...Some may argue?? 😂😂 Gtfo...
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦♂🤦♂Give Bolt a +4.4 and he'd have literally run 9.39 and covered the last 50m in 3.8s lol.
Add the same tail wind to bolts 100m record and what would his top speed be better still his estimated time
the reality is if you accelerate to fast, you can’t maintain the top end speed
No, Bolt accelerated fast AND maintain top speed...
@@AnonW cus bolt is him
@@AnonW he can't do that in his WR 19.19. he accelerated faster than Blake 19.26 but is so much slower than him in the second 100m
coleman eased off before the line
NOAH LYLES LONG FART
Bolt would ran 9.38s with +4.4 wind
He still lost and isn't the world record holder. Period
After burner.. looked more like a bottom burp after a meal of a dozen spicy burritos ;-)
Where did you expect the nozzle to be hidden?
@@TheWayToWin This is true.. you would expect it to be at that location (close to the ausgang) 😁
lol 😂silly
still long way to go for him..cant even run consistently under 9.8..how can he beat bolt😂 bolt at his peak was literally unbeatable..below .8
Whatever be the tailend and comparison...WR is created by one n only Lightning ⚡ Bolt🎉..
An athletes absolute max speed cannot be held for more than four seconds in the 100m according to science.
So when and where in the race that top end speed is achieved is important and the rate of deceleration that follows. As seen in this race lyles still didn't win which means he was lagging in the first 50m compared to Coleman. I would like to see that comparison.
The goal is to get to line first all this other stuff makes interesting discussion. So imagine if Bolt had the luxury of these "hurricane winds" what time would he have really run? 9.35 sec? Goes to show these guys are not as closes as many think.
He is very promising. But let's talk when he finally breaks Usan Bolt 100m and 200m records
Lets do that
Funny u guys do realize Usain was pulling up 20meters from the finish line when racing.
Naah we are not imagining shit. Did he break the record? No.
Fair enough that is insane but as you said the wind wasn't legal
2:10 looks more like a huge fart ,not nitro...😂😂
Who else is here after Total Running Productions recommendation?
try break tyson gay record before you think about Bolt
@speedanalysischannel1165 Can you please sort this out 😅
Use that gay top speed and forget about rocket starts.
Smh , what is meant to be the point of this video ,
How to run from behind when you're not behind.
Junk science, Bolt often easy up or look over his shoulder approaching the finish line, this is also to be taken into consideration to make this analysis accurate!
@faustindutoybouley534 what about the races that he did slow down in where he could've easily put 9:58 in his rare view mirror? If you feel like talking facts!
@@NYScott-mj6uo that is a bit of a stretch. If we look at the 9.69 he ran celebrating 20m before the finish line, his final 50m looked like this: 0.82 0.82 0.82 0.83 0.90. we can extrapolate the final 20m to be 0.82+0.82 at fastest or 0.83+0.84 at slowest. So at fastest, he could've ran 9.60, but more realistically 9.62. If you're talking about all the semi-finals, there are maybe 1-2 times where his start was perfect, but he's not going all out obviously because it's just a qualification and to save energy for the final.Other than that, I don't recall any races where he slowed down too much costing a world record
If he ever gets his start together (Noah lyles) he will break bolts record.
No he wont, he's just not fast enough. This video is trash using a 4.4m/s wind race and a 40m split to define 'top end speed" Please.. Lyles has never got anywhere near Bolt's top end speed nor has anybody else. He will never go sub 9.7 let alone anywhere near 9.58.
what about andre degrass's 9.69 with plus 4 tail wind. He probable had a 3.9 last 50m
From high speed footage and multiple angles, DeGrasse 50s in that race were 5.52+4.17.. Fastest 10m 0.82 (70-80)… 3.9 is way off
@@nsxperformance The Way To Win RUclips Channel actually Did deleted your comment about your actual stats of *4.15 in the last 50m (of +4.4m/s Tailwind)* because I can’t see it anymore. Bruh. Lol😅😅😅
@@darkintent9936 that's because everyone knows who actually knows anything about athletics more wind you have behind you pushes you along faster so a 4.4 m per second wind gives you a massive push hence a faster top speed which in reality makes his argument about his top speed have no merit about being faster than bolt give bolt a wind like that imaging have faster bolt top speed would have been
Leaving aside the 4.4 m/s tail wind, one needs to examine ALL intervals, not just the 50 to 100 m interval, in determining the top speed.
He ran 50m 0.06 faster, this possible only with higher top end
@@TheWayToWinI remember people saying you have to be 6’0 feet or taller and no one had the stride length to pass bolt in the last 40m glad to see Lyles prove them wrong
@@Nubako463 😂
What about comparing Lyles' split through the women's hurdle spacing marks vs Bolt's through the women's hurdle marks, just to be sure?
what's wrong with the 50m comparison?
@@TheWayToWin Check out PJ Vazel. He commented on Lyles' post of this split. He believes the mark to be 51m from the start line, not 50m. The split for Lyles is then only 49m, not 50. The women's hurdle markers should give both a 44.5 and a 53m split.
@@alexhardy7711 Yes, I did think about it, but I based my calculations on the men's 6th hurdle, which is located at 49.42 meters. Although the marked line appears to be a little further away than 58 cm from the 6th hurdle, I made an adjustment and started the clock when Lyles appeared to be at 50 meters. When I spoke with Total Running Productions, I admitted a possible error of 0.02 seconds. Therefore, I am pretty sure that Lyles ran something between 4.05 and 4.07
Fair enough. The split claim is just so darn impressive-almost a meter ahead of Bolt’s WR-that, even with the tailwind in mind, one wants to double-check (using other distances) as much as possible to account for potential errors. However, all conditions allowed, if any current sprinter is going to break Bolt’s final 50 time, it’s Lyles.
The 200 meters is gonna be EPIC!!
We still waiting for that epic moment 😂🤣😂 them American will never break Bolt record unless they dope up.
The Max Noah has ran is 23 mph, bolt was 27 mph
Sha'Carri runs 24.6 mph
That's epic! He might just break Bolt's 200m record!
That's a tough record to break. It is obvious Lyles has been working on his endurance & his top speed but I can't see him getting much more closer to Bolt's mark. Maybe he'll prove me wrong..
@@mickeysmithsThe Record was basicly already broken by Johan blake he had a horibble reaction time of over 200ms and still ran 19.26
@@LehanBreytenbach OK, I had no idea his RT has so slow. Was a silent gun in use for that race? I noticed during the NCAAs this year that they may not have been using a silent gun. Is this true?
@@LehanBreytenbachSo it wasn’t broken lol…
@@LehanBreytenbach the record was not broken, because 19.26 is slower than 19.19, pretty simple
If he surpassed his top end speed.. He would have the world record. And he doesn't have the world record.
Not how that works
@@crap_bag_trust the faster guy over 100m or 200m is the guy who holds the record balla
@@HirenNaidoo-ot1xr Starts and running technique matter a lot, just because you are faster for one 10m split does not mean you will end up winning
@@crap_bag_trust hey yeah you right coz the faster guy, who in this case is bolt, will pass them. Thanks balla
@@HirenNaidoo-ot1xr For example, look at Christian Coleman VS Noah lyles, now Noah Lyles is faster, as he has a higher top speed than coleman, but colemans start is so fast that lyles cant catch up
Total nonsense sorry.. when he breaks Bolts 9.59, ill believe it..
9.58😊
It’s only because bolt slows down
Plus if it’s not legal it doesn’t matter.
I didn't slow down on his WR
@@nicolesearl4140 Bolt didn't slow down for the 9.58 world record, and there is lots of evidence that shows high wind speed does not matter at the elite level
Everyone slows down. Bolt just does it the least. Plus he doesn't do it on purpose
He ran through the line in his 9.58 world record.
with tailwind 4.4 m/s and under any conditions maybe, the wind was +0.9 m/s when Bolt ran 9.58
No, he didn’t 😂
He did. Sorry
What was noah lyles opening split?
I guess it is very simple math 9.80 - 4.05
@@TheWayToWin I forgot how to use brain my bad
@@TheWayToWin Do you think noah lyles has the potential to get close to 9.6 or even break Usain Bolt's WR if he works on his starts
@@crap_bag_trust I don't know. But it seems the 200m World Record will fall this summer.
@@TheWayToWin Agreed, considering bolts 200m WR had a lot of potential to be MUCH faster, maybe track and field will get a surge in popularity again