Odin insults Thor and tells why he killed Giants Scene - God Of War Ragnarok [4K 60FPS HDR]
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"I liked you better as a drunk" is such a devastating and powerful insult for a recovering alcoholic to hear from your father. Here is Thor, trying to do one thing to make his family happier, and with those couple of words Odin just tears it all down. Here is your struggle, your sacrifice and it means nothing to me, actually it makes you even worse than you were.
Some fathers really be like that, unfortunately.
@@JGD44 MOST fathers are like that (power hungry/abusive types). Hence the good ol cycle of violence is actually...a little beautiful in its simplicity as it does give a son a chance to change the curse of his bloodline...or partake in it. Just cause daddy did it...doesn't mean you should too. They will never be satisfied...Pretty much like this Odin and Zeus...always belittling you. Best blow to throw is being multitudes better than the old bugger and ending the curse. Sometimes, like Big Zeus...they deserve it.
A battle with alcoholism, violence, or any addiction is never something to joke or take likely...anyone who tries or is trying to quit deserves support...even if they become "less fun"
@@KatamariCruza speak for yourself. My father was not perfect, but never encouraged any negative traits in me.
@@KatamariCruza most fathers are not like that
@@KatamariCruza when a weeb is mad he grew up in a single parent household. It would appear he knew what you'd become groomer
Atreus: *breathes*
Heimdall: I take serious offense to that.
Heindall: and I took that personally
Odin in this game is the little birdie on your shoulder saying “go ahead, live a little“. Then flies to a safe distance to watch the carnage.
He was so well written. Our nature always makes us want to learn more and understand more it gives us meaning. Odin just has become so obsessed with it hes willing to sacrifice anything for the truth he cant be satisfied with not knowing. Not knowing probably makes him feel small. Love how they did him both myth accurate but re contextualised as morally evil
Actually best description, yeah.
I feel sorry for Thor. His dad treats him like crap.
Imagine your own dad ordered your kids to kill kratos and he still calls them useless.
I am starting to see why Thor is so angry and drunk all the time.
Odin did say he liked Thor better drunk
@@lowkeyarki7091 Only because a drunk Thor is too hammered to speak his mind
Why doesnt thor kill odin
@@MeteoroNomy
He is no kratos
He is ruthless but a family man
He loves his wife daughters and sons
Kratos was a savage demi god only now after life time of regret he changed his ways
Well, he did beat the shit out of Modi for apparently being too useless to help Magni. Maybe Thor was drunk at the time, though.
Now I understand why Baldur thought that his family is fucked up.
I hoped wed revive Baldur at da sea or sum Shit 🥲
@@leon53580 Why? He's too far gone, even his family had seen it.
@Cool squid 22 Yes, he is one of the few to be GUARANTEED survival from Ragnarök (because he RESPAWNS basically at the end of it, so can't kill someone who is dead, and if you respawn near the end, shit don't affect you as the fighting is done, and you only have to wane out the after effects of god-tier cataclysmic fighting & destruction), and will probably be a vital part of w/e new reality is born after said cataclysm
@@skebaba918 what if baldur reborn as freya and kratos son
@@steve69050 Nah I think in lore it just means he just respawns, not reincarnates. Like his corpse suddenly just gets up or w/e (or his Soul just makes a new vessel & he fucks off)
So, GoW's version of Odin stared into the heart of gunnungagap, the great void at the beginning of creation that divided Niffelheim from muspellheim? no wonder he's mad.
Literally stared in the abyss and it stared back
Feels more like Father and Truth from FMAB.
Ginunggagap
@@ginunggagapthanks, it's the one word from the mythos I can never spell right, and I didn't have a reference to hand.
@@whodareswins999 my reference came from a decade ago just so you know..
Many have failed to capture the charm of a subtle, manipulative villain as well as Palpatine did, but man, Odin nails it as well!
You think so? I feel like Odin being a prick was kind of obvious. He's just kinda a trashy abusive father/grandfather.
@@ordanse5261 the only reason it was obvious was due to our prior exposure to Mimir’s tales. Imagine if Mimir wasn’t with us in 2018, our opinion of Odin today will be drastically different than it is right now, for sure.
@@muhammadzariff7075 agreed I believe they did very well with this version of Odin.
Honestly the stories make you think of how bad he is but then when you meet the guy he comes of as this gentle grandfather figure.
Makes you think if he really is the bad guy.
That is how you create a villain that is subtly manipulative.
It's so terrifying to me, cuz if I wasnt told of all the things he'd done to Mimir and Freya and everyone else, I genuinely think I'd trust him. It was more terrifying knowing that Atreus might've trusted him too. He's really well written.
I dunno, I disagree with all of this sentiment. To me, Odin came off as openly cruel to the point of sadism. Look at the shape his abused son Thor is in, the way he talks to him, etc. Nice was not a vibe I ever got from Odin at ANY point in his screen time. Like, he acts friendly with Atreus WHILE shitting all over Thor or doing some other heinous stuff. I just don't get that perception at all. Thor is literally drinking himself to death and ignoring the deaths of his family over his father's psychotic decisions, while his father treats him like garbage.
It's very disgusting to see Odin subtly pushing for Thor to become a drunk again throughout the game. Banging to draw attention to his cup in Kratos' home, implying that he's less effective/useful to the family sober, outright demeaning him and his children to get him weak enough to hit the bottle again. He'd rather his son be a miserable addict than lose a unquestioning killer. Or worse off.
I've actually seen that part of the game a couple of times and I kept asking myself every time I seen it why does he pick the cup up and slam it down now I understand why thank you for putting those pieces together it took somebody else saying it for my brain to get it when he picks his cup up and slams it on the table he's basically saying shut up and drink
its cause Odin does not want for Thor to think for himself
Before Thor's death Odin says, "You don't think. I think, you kill."
I dont think you understand the definition of the word "Subtle",
@@kadeweezywoodward9485 Making it too subtle would not reach Thor.
"I liked you better as a drunk" probably gave Thor the incentive to start drinking again by the time we encounter him in the tavern brawl scene.
I can't imagine the anxiety Atreus must have felt knowing Heimdall was tagging along. Not only can he see into the future, he can also read minds. If the wrong thought rings through your mind he'll pick up on it. He'll react faster before you could even draw your sword. Scary how someone so meek looking has so much power.
He technically doesn't read minds; he was basically able to read someone's intent by essentially reading the person. If he were able to read minds, getting a new weapon made would be completely pointless.
Odin is a breath of fresh air in the villain category
Odin almost perfectly suits the character of Satan and perhaps a mafia boss, and not the kind commonly portrayed in society, he is soft, kind, charismatic, and appeals to your faculties of reason, emotion and curiosity. I mean if you didn't know who Odin really is behind the scene, or even pick up his undertone and slight passive aggressiveness, which can be hard by the way, you would happily follow him until you mess up.
Edited: Man, thanks for the 1K guys
i kinda love him tho
Well he doesn't love you back.
@@ysgramornorris2452 😔pain
@@oladipupoolowabi9316 but he doesn't love you back.
I actually once meet someone who was very similar. Empathetic, friendly and soft hearted at first glance. But as it turns out, he was a lying, manipulative, narcisist with a drug problem. He managed to steel 200 bucks from me that way which I was lending him because of some bullshit story he made up. Never saw that money back. When I confronted him about it, he showed his true colours. Suddenly it became aggressive, almost threatening me with physical viollence.
Those kind of people, are really toxic and dangerous and often we don't realise it before it's too late. They seem very friendly and good hearted and maybe in some sense they even are. As long everything goes their way. But when confronted things turn very ugly very quickly.
Can't lie. Odin is a complete badass. Instead of being a threatening figure, he's so soft, so manipulative that he makes you want to trust him, to emphatize with him, but then you remember Mimir telling us not to trust him
Edit: just to specify, I don't mean manipulation is cool. I mean he's cool in terms of being a villain
Edit 2: Perhaps it's more accurate to say he's badass as a character, kinda like the joker or batman
Yeah dude I don't know if any conversation with him that he really say the real truth
I kinda see why he's very competent at manipulating. While it requires great effort, he does it like its his second nature without trying, and plus his outer attitude makes his psychological manipulation even more air-tight and shows no doubt.
Another thing that odin is good at is giving impressions, The contrast with mimir's boat tales in GOW 4 and seeing him for ourselves shows this bastard's talent.
It makes sense how Freya married this guy and realised too late, the vanirs would've refused the ceasefire if they knew it.
Just my speculation but I wonder if had kratos accepted Odin's non-agression deals, maybe kratos would've unknowingly been trapped by a contract spell(that odin set up before entering the house) that only need him to say "yes/i accept"...
Santa monica's brilliant for how they made him look and speak.
Yeah Odin radiates off the "cool grandpa/uncle" vibe
He seems so cool until you keep remembering Freya kept shitting on Odin and would rather kill Odin than Kratos after everything.
@@potatoraider7320 The way i see it, Odin is a psychopath
I like this Odin as the main antagonist. Like many others have already pointed out, he looks like a mafia boss and is devilish charming. A nice change of pace from the arrogant gods from Greek mythology (at least how they were portrayed in the games). The guy isn't even committing all those atrocities out of cruelty or a belief in "asgardian supremacy", much like Kratos seeking revenge, his life became dedicated to one simple goal, learning the truth of creation, and he would stop at nothing to achieve that goal.
Goes back to mimir saying "wanting answers can be dangerous too."
He is more driven by the fear of his own prophecy. The giants predicted that he wouldnt have a after-life so Odin is seeking as to the why that is and how to avoid it.
@@Strix2031 and his constant need for control and to be in charge.
@@Levi-rk6pv curiosty killed the cat
I dont care how many pointed out but He don't look like a mafia boss not to me, more like a business executive. Uppity, manipulative and ruthless. one of the most dangerous combinations.
I loved Heimdall and Odin in this. Very amazingly written. The whole game honestly, very well made.
Facts.
I rocked with heimdall the moment I saw him. I understood that there's no in betweens with this guy, he's just a 100% asshole lol. Love antagonists like that
@@kidnamedfinger2840 Imo he was my favorite of the Norse gods and I feel his intention was to be a drawback to how prideful and arrogant the Greek gods were which is why mimir was all like “this isn’t who you wanna be anymore” kinda disappointing imo that the Norse gods weren’t more prideful/arrogant
Thor may look dumb ,but he's not stupid
I mean, he may look stupid, but he's not dumb.
He may be dumb but he’s stupid
He is dumb but he is stupid
@@Oshaoxin 💀🤡🤡🤡🤡
He’s both dumb and stupid. Stop trynna be cute. He’s an extremely competent fighter but a goof outside of that.
Odin was stating the truth, he really is just a being of unnatural curiosity and simply wants to know- know everything about himself and the world. Its why he gets so upset at the end when his ability to find answers is ruined.
The more I think about it, the more I sympathize with Odin. All he really wanted was answers - he was willing to make amends with Kratos just to keep Kratos away from him while he continued his quest for answers. I found the game’s ending very dissatisfying overall.
@@drovid008 yes but in his quest for answers, he destroyed countless lives. He exploited the peoples of the realms and literally planned the genocide of the Jotuns. So much bloodshed could have been avoided if Odin's curiosity was not so much stronger than his wisdom.
@@drovid008 even if he had stared into the Crack with the Mask he’d still only have more questions. The quest for knowledge is unending.
As Freya said, Odin may have told the truth, but his purpose is always going to be for himself.
@@drovid008 I guess the moral is you don't get what you want if you are mean to people. Which is something I can get behind.
When ya realise that Thor and Odin parallel Kratos and Atreus/Loki, but Odin, the father, is the knowledge seeker, and HIS son is the brute, while it's the polar opposite for our heroes!
its also kind of mirroring the kratos zeus dynamic where as kratos rebeled against his father zeus and zeus feered his power, meanwhile thor is subservient to odin and odin weilds thor as an extention of his power treating him more as a tool
@@brandonwithnell612 Thor is what Kratos wouldve become if he surrendered tô zeus
Another difference is that Kratos became a good father figure to his son. He did not let his past self and failures became a hurdle in raising his son to become like his former self, instead he became better for the sake of his son. Odin is a bad father figure, treats his son like shit. Thor's upbringing made him think that he was just only a failure, a destroyer, nothing more.
@@weirdreportt does that excuse Kratos' past actions?
Odin mocked thor's sobriety through the entire game, the first time they appeared in kratos home odin said to thor "you are no fun anymore", he clearly resents his sobriety after taking advantage of that for hundreds of years.
A stark contrast to kratos as a parent, odin dont inspire and encourage his children to be better and more, instead of teaching them discipline he taught them indulgence on their worst impulses, and help them justify it. All so they can be better and more obedient tools for himself
yep, you can even see it in Thor's words throughout his adventures with Atreus. He keeps telling Atreus not to think, cause it makes life easier, which is definitely something Odin pounded into him from childhood. Even near the end, he says "I think, you kill"
@@CedonZar Yes! When Odin talk about modi, magni, baldur and other asgardians he reefer to them only based on how useful they are, not as kins
My favourite line from Kratos as a parent comes from the Mining Rig side-quest.
"Atreus, you are getting better."
"Maybe better than you someday."
"If you are not, I have failed."
Kratos actively encourages Atreus to surpass him and would be proud as Hel if and when he does. It's like a healthy version of the Sith's Rule of Two from Star Wars.
ODIN would be a successful salesman in the modern world.
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Invest in Crowcoin
Forget being a salesman, he’ll be a politician.
Now that I think about it, Odin seems to be similar with The dwarf in the flask in FMAB. And the choice made by Atreus in the fight with Odin is the same as Edward Elric. Many things in the story globally that are similar
but with more good dad
True
And just like Father represents what Edward could have been if he never learnt from his hubris, Odin is what Atreus could have become if his lust for knowledge took priority over everything else.
I see people equate Odin to a mob boss but I see him more like a politician. Always justifying his actions, putting blame on anyone but himself, spewing out empty promises and assuring everything he does is in the people's best interest. And all this makes perfect sense for a king. If you know you can't take/maintain power through brute strength, use charisma and strategy. I think it was a great choice to show that not all tyrants are blatantly cruel. Some are just silver tongued planners who hide their true agendas through persuasion and manipulation. The all father was just as much a test of mental strength as he was physical
Dont think thats the intent. Like the last Game its themes revolve heavily around the Themes of Family. This time we got multible examples of abusive Familys, and the Game explores there effect on others and sometimes themselfe. Like Freya saw herselfe kill Baldur in Hellheim. Her beeing a control Freak indeed caused his Dead.
Or Thor beeing a violent drunk because of Odin, but that makes him a bad Father as an result. And when Thor is been ask to side whit Adreus against Odin, he sides whit Odin, same later when he indeed gives up, and Odin blames Kratos and Adreus for manipulating his Kids against him.
It’s the wearing a coat like a cape=Mob boss level badass
@@Sunaki1000 most politicians are mob bosses or are associated to them
Why people portray him as a mob boss? Aren’t they usually cruel, and displeased nature. I don’t see that in odin
@@ZuZu66667 No one here has any clue what a mob boss is or how they act.
I like the actor they chose to portray Odin. Because he is so good at coming off mortal
Richard Schiff is a great actor.
I think I sum up Odin like this. When he was much younger hundreds possibly thousand's of years ago he looked into that rift and gleaning even a shred of its vast information cost him his eye. In it he saw truth, pathway's, methods, power and knowledge nigh infinite in scale. Now he sees everyone as either a threat or a tool to make that vast and vibrant future occur. Driven mad, distant and callous he sees even his own children as nothing more than tools to meet his ends. He treats Thor like garbage in particular it seems when he starts to doubt his methods.
Except he lied about his eye to prevent Atreus from gaining any perspective. Remember how Mimir said he tricked him into drinking from a Well laced with hallucinogenic mushrooms and he took his own eye out? And how even the sight of Mushrooms causes him to gag in this game?
@@MantraMan2077 Odin tried to gouge BOTH of his eyes out, but Mimir restrained him before he could finish the job, if you remember.
Odin saw the creators of the Game!
He saw Cory?
@@juanfranciscozarate1906 Cory is in the house?
@@Muffindolphin Its the best anime!
no, the rift is Ginnungagap, the primordial void in Norse mythology.
Also, She-Hulk is shit
@@tling321 I was making a joke
"I liked you better as a drunk" is like a stab to the chest :(
Kinda cool how they decided to go the mental strength and prowess route with Odin. Seems like he’s a narcissistic sociopath whereas Zeus seemed to physically personify strength and power and was more overt with his foibles.
I bet no one thought before the game was released that they would actually feel sorry for Thor when it was all over
False. I was hoping he’d redeem himself like Kratos did.
@@JoseMora-wc5zz he did, and then he was kill for it. By his own father. Like Kratos.
Maybe it's the higher plane of existence that athena talks about in gow 3
Both are the same green, I believe
Thats a reallly good catch there. She did ascend somewhere beyond the realms
This is probably true but the question is who or what whispered to Odin? Maybe it possessed him?
@@henryvirtum1520 or Corrupted him
@@user-ns2ku3zz7p I mean possession is cooler imo and something fresh GOW lore
Odin is like Palpatine. He knows what to Say make You trust him
“Honestly, I liked you better as a drunk.”
Damn, even for Thor that was such a low blow that Odin gave to him.
"Things I couldn't possibly understand but I know they were true."
That...sounds like some straight up Lovecraft kinda stuff.
Odin's so obssessed knowing the truth of the rift, that if he actually sees it he would be rather disappointed since its just as players playing the game
I like Odin is a god that wants to know if there is an afterlife for him
I mean that is the most interesting thing the devs did on odin
Except Mimir said that a god that dies in battle goes to Valhalla or Fólkvangr. A god dies outside of battle goes to Helheim. So maybe it’s a miss on the story developers?
But if I was writing it I was have that, for full gods like Odin, Freyr, Thor (Yes I know he is haft Giant) Freya, etc in GoT are immortal thus don’t age when their godhood reaches a certain point. The rest of the Aesir and Vanir are demigods and age slow and go to those places but full gods can’t as those places can’t hold their power. Which I honestly think is the case. As there is some canon evidence. Magni and Modi were suppose to be able to go to Valhalla and Sindri called them demigods. And Cory Balrog said that the Norse gods are immortal and don’t need Idunn’s apples like the myth. Only that it’s a favor food of them.
Or another idea could be something like this. That among the times he killed himself to learn secrets of life and death and when he came back to life, it cost him from having those places as afterlives.
Valhalla exists only because of odin, as the warriors that go to Valhalla prepare for Ragnarok to fight alongside odin. But where does odin himself go? Is what he wants to know
@@manatea7742 His villainy comes from the fact that he can't bring himself to care about anything in the universe, not even his family, unless he confirmed the universe cares about him. His words when Atreus broke the mask, "You chose to be nothing?". An existence in doubt was utterly worthless.
@tgst 1 Even Odin said there is no Valhalla for him. The only thing that makes me believe that is since he had died or put himself into a death-like state to learn secrets of the world forbade him Valhalla. But that is theory
Odin gazed into the Abyss but wasn't prepared for the Abyss gazing also into him.
I have not played this game yet.
But the way it depicts Odin is spot on.
He was clever. He was worried about his fate. He was a liar and a master manipulator.
But he was not totally evil, like Zeus. He was just...selfish and manipulative.
Zeus wasnt totally evil either. He only becomes a truly villainous character after he's infected with Fear (as in, the evil Fear in Pandora's Box). Beforehand, he did allow Athena and Ares to attack Sparta to get Deimos, believing him to be the marked warrior, but he did so only to protect his position. He was cruel, as per the story where the gods allow a plague to show up for specific families in order to have champions fight for the cure, but he was no genocidal freak bent on absolute power, nor did he seek to enslave entire realms. He just doesnt compare to Odin in terms of evil. Odin, however, would get beaten to a pulp by Zeus. Greek gods are just built different (except for Hades, Hephaestus and Hermes, because they're just a massive downgrade from their mythological counterparts).
@@nivaldomonte5441 Lmao. The OP is talking about their character in actual mythos, not the games. Zues was absolutely evil.
@@nivaldomonte5441 in the actual mythos, Zeus is a right bastard. He was a serial adulterer and rapist. Killed Apollo's son, his grandchild. Ate Athena's mother. Planned out the creation of Pandora and her box to punish humanity for acquiring fire and then tortured Prometheus for being the one to give the fire away. He IS very evil.
Mimir and every last Giant disagrees
@@JGD44 Didn't he kill Apollo son because teh guy was bringing the dead back to life and it was breaking the natural oder and pissing Hades off.
I think Hades even says that if Zeus dosent do something then he will so Zeus hands were tied and his duty made him act
2:56 one of the only truths he says to Atreus the entire game. That really was all he cared about in the entirety of existence. Didn't care about any of his family that's for sure.
I really like how Thor is depicted in this game. Not this blonde beach boy with a sixpack. But a huge tattooed guy with a beer belly.
European Blondness was started in Scandanavia, so it stands to reason Thor would be blond. Though I agree he wouldn't be California Blond
He had red hair in Norse mythology as well.
Dude the guy voice Heimdall also voices Luke in TWD S2, Starlord in GOTG and *Nightwing* in Arkham Knight.
That man has has some serious range!
I can’t help but notice that Odin seems to be the only one with gold in his clothes also despite his house being small and made of wood it’s still bigger then the any other in Asgard really shows how he thinks for himself first
Not much Gold in Scandanavia
@@evenlord7825 I mean odin used to have a magical gold ring that duplicated it self 8 times like every 9 days. So he would have tons.
"Honestly I liked you better as a drunk"
Now that's just plain fucking mean.
Odin looks like a clingy insurance saleman that you can't get rid off.
I actually think Odin was being completely honest when he said that he wants to know what happens when he dies. I think he'd also want to know if there's a way to prevent his death or return from it, but I do think he's genuinely concerned that there might be nothing for him after death
So the cause of Odin's villainry is existential crisis
Yeah, pretty much
The guy doesn't know if there's an afterlife and...can you blame him? What am i supposed to do for example, believe in some god and not question if i have been lied to?
Wait...i have an idea
Ferb! I think i know what we're gonna do today!
All that pain and suffering, the schemes and deceptions…because one god is afraid that there is no place to go after death.
How very…human.
"I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you" what a wonderful diss
I feel bad for Odin. He's scared and he wonders what happens to himself when he passes on. He wants to find the meaning of life. He did horrible shit but it wasn't out of pure evil. He's a scared man that doesn't want to face oblivion. I kind of am with Odin finding out what's in that rift. That's very tempting. What did be see? Another greater God. He said saw something gazing back and whispering secrets. Things he couldn't understand. That's errie yet I'd want to know as well.
I wonder if the green glow/ higher plane it all ties in to the next game. It seems to be in multiple games now
Let’s not forget Thor did killed his giantess mother
Kinda ironic that, Odin is the manipulator instead of Loki, based on the mythology
Thrud is just so damn adorable
I think that the way in which Odin sends Atreus to these dangerous, unstable realms by himself subtly, yet strongly, shows his cruelty. He would rather risk the life of a child (a god, but even so) and his granddaughter than to go to these realms himself despite his immense power. He's content to let children die to know what comes next.
Sent his grand children to fight a literal God killer. He did not give a shit lmfaooo
Notice when Atreus mentions the library was where Odin killed Ymir, Odin replied gave two distinct answer:
1. "I was young, foolish", to give an image that he was reckless/adventorous/curious/wanted to test out his powers, and then immediately says
2. "I did what I had to do, to protect my own", to give an image of him being a protector of his people
Two separate incoherent answers. this is how liars and narcissists react when being called out
Odin despite looking like the sanest and wisest, is actually the most deranged. The simplest way of discovering if there was an afterlife was by dying, but he killed countless people in an attempt to confirm it beforehand. He killed without knowing if he would like what he would see, nothing had value for him as long as he existed in doubt.
He did die, he hung himself but didn't go anywhere.
Odin is the type of guy that could probably convince Zeus to trade Mt. Olympus in exchange for a piece of bird scat if he could prove it had magical elements that would kill Kratos.
Odin's body language and the way he talks is just like Richard Schiff in The Good Doctor
What if what Odin stared into is the higher plain of existence that Athena is currently in?
I like to believe that it was Athena whispered to him, possibly corrupting and/or posessing him. Afterall... she is the godess of wisdom. And knows a thing or two about manipulating people. Even though she was this way out of greed.
But yeah... the timeline could never match.
@@Kratos4ever94 I really love this theory it would make sense in a way but like you said the timelines don’t match but technically ragnarok has already happened before? So time is kinda linear so maybe somehow Athena’s highest plane of existence let her somehow manipulate Odin in a point of time? I mean timelines exist already in GoW when the fates and Kratos went back in time to fight so we could say it’s a possibility
@@Kratos4ever94 Yeah but when Ymir died Athena was still alive or not even born.
@@vlad_47 Yeah... like i said, the timeline would never match. Just an interesting thing to think about.
Cant lie, I really like Odin.... he's like that cool neighbor to talk to for a while when you see ea.. other outside
Odin is like the Lalo Salamanca from GOW. He is so charming and wise, but something tells you he can get mad anytime.
There are the Higher Cosmic Entities Confirmed....
For those who don't know thor is actually 75% Jotün and 25% god meaning technically he's even more giant than loki
I feel like you see the results of good parenting vs bad parenting more than ever here in GOW Ragnorak; how Odin treats Thor and then you see how Kratos raises Atreus - Kratos isn't perfect but I'll take his strict, stern Spartan like upbringing any day over what Odin has possibly done to ruin his relationship with his own son.
It's hard to believe these two are father and son.
Well, Thor's mother was apparently a giantess - even in the lore of the game.
Men like Odin control the world. Men like Thor die to maintain that control
At first, I thought the rift might be a portal to another reality in the multiverse, and I thought the idea behind Loki's mask was that it could allow people to peer into those other realities as if the person were looking at different perspectives. However, when Odin said that he looked into the rift and something looked back at him, that made me think of the Void as well - and there's an idea that we all create our own reality in the Void through our own "all-seeing eye" that projects a certain reality of light into that Void. So maybe that's what Odin was seeing. I'm just not sure why it cost him his eye. Maybe looking into the rift and gaining that knowledge requires some sort of sacrifice?
really makes you wonder if odin didn't kill him later. I truly think not only thor would have become a better man and a god, but he and kratos could have become friends.
A bit of Trivia - In the original Tombraider (1996). Lara Croft enters a huge underground tomb where Thor's hammer is part of a trap.
The hammer is enormous. As though a giant could wield it. I will never forget that in Tombraider. And Ragnarok reminded me of that.
He's not even evil, he literally just doesn't care about anything besides the rift and truth.
It's like he sees everyone as fake or illusionary in face of actual, fundamental, irrefutable truth.
He even stops a fight for his life, that he's clearly losing, to try and get Loki to finish their quest.
When he casts the heating spell it reminds me of the spell used in adventure time for fire resistance
I would love more Atreus/Loki dialogue With Odin and Thor some questions like:
What happened to others Aesir and Vanir Gods and why they are not in Asgard or Vanahaim and if they exist and some of them are others children of Odin and Freya + Odin's Friends and Enemies And why are they missing and what happened to them like:
Hermod,Fulla,Gefjunn,Saga,Hlin,Kvasir,Vidar,Uller,Hodr,Var,Vali,Forseti,Nanna,Bragi,Hoenir,Skadi,Ran Freya and Freyr's Mother,Aegir,Njord Freya and freyr's father,Idrunn/Iduna,Sigyn Loki's wife,Meili,Simara surtur's wife,Hoed a valkyrie etc.. among others gods that are missing..
The others questions would be interesting for odin:
If asgard has a prison?
What happened to Thor's mother since the original Norse Mythology the son killed his own mother
And if Odin had others wives..
If Odin and Thor have pets as in Norse Mythology original Freya had several others animals,Thor her goats and Odin have a horse 8 paws who is one of Loki's children
Where is Valhalla or Sessrumnir and is there a way to get there or did a god go there...
Others questions: What is the true origin of how Odin lost his eye in Mimir's well or the portal
If Baldur,Magni and Modi among others death Gods can come back to life Same as in the original Norse Mythology and why haven't they come back yet?
How Garm ended up in hellhaim and who was he before he lost his soul and who trapped him there and if he is that big wolf with green eyes and the name Mimir mentions in the 1st game
If Odin has a room Inside the hall like the others rooms and it would be a funny line for Atreus/Loki to say that he thought Asgard was different,much bigger and made of gold like Odin's palace
Questions for Thor with his family trying to make happy him and if Thor met Atreus mother or what it was like for him to fight Against Kratos and what he thought of the fight
A curiosity here:
Thor in Norse Mythology has gloves and a utility belt that makes him much stronger.
Heimdall being the son of 9 mothers like in the original Norse Mythology it would be nice for Odin to mention that And also Freya has 5 priestesses like Athena with her allies who prayed to her in Greek Mythology.
Freya's Priestesses They are: Sjofn,Vjofn,Lofn,Syn and Snotra
And there's still Hela/Hel,the daughter of Loki who hasn't appeared yet and will probably be the villain in a DLC history Future or next game since Hell's Eagle wants to retire
I missed those questions and dialogues for Odin that Atreus And also for Thor was going to make a shame it didn't happen,Too bad he didn't ask these questions 🥲😔 like and Bye!
So Odin literally looked into the abyss and when it looked back he blinked.
Odin was no Zeus, but he somehow manages to be even worse than the Olympian fart.
First as someone who watched a lot of West Wing I can't not hear Toby Ziegler when Oden speaks. Oden's search for answers may on the surface seem noble but I don't think any answer would satisfy him after all his time looking. Rule of acquisition 208 - Sometimes, the only thing more dangerous than a question is an answer. Even if Oden had peered into the rift and gotten his answer I don't think it would of brought him any peace or satisfaction, not after all the darkness he spread to achieve his goal. Then there was that line Mimir said about Oden constantly lying to show his power to control reality (made me think of a former president)
Jeb Bartlett! jk, he was a great man lol
@@CarlosMunoz-pc2ky wish we could have a president like him in RL.
Hints of what's to come in future games. What happens when gods die? Where were they born in the first place? All interesting ideas I hope they get to explore through the lens of different mythologies.
I think such a direction would better suit a Atreus-led story than a Kratos led one. Kratos, though not stupid, doesn't come across as a person who'd care about the origin of gods. Atreus, however, is naturally curious.
I was waiting for atreus to put on the mask and say "somebodyyy sstooppl meee"
What's worse for Thor than his father being verbally abusive.... he's doing it with Paul Giamatti's voice.
I'm surprised "I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you" hasn't become a meme
damn...if you see it..Its very sad for thor since he is just treated like nothing. while he treats some random kid better
Odin gets away with treating Thor like that because he takes him for granted, he is polite, friendly and charismatic to people he needs things from, but once they are no longer useful then they are just one more lesser being. Its like a warning of what Odin is truly like underneath.
I wish they hired Charles dance for odin...this voice is too soft for my taste.
Disagree, this voice is perfect for “this” Odin
Well the behavior and the voice should match together. Odin acting like a mad scientist shouldn’t be voiced by Charles.
Charles dance voice is pure power. He'll be a perfect extortionist, enforecer, bully, or a king but a master manipulator? I don't think so. This guy is perfect. Being too soft makes him look weak and unassuming, more grounded. The kind of person i would lower my guard for. That's how effective this guy is and how well he was written.
Charles Dance would make a great Odin.
I think the reason why Odin treats Thor like this is something to do with Thor's Mother Fjörgyn.
Mimir mentioned that she was one of Odin's great loves and he wasn't the same after her death.
There was a Lore shrine in God of War 2018 near to where Modi Died Ironically, which hinted that Thor Killed his own Mother.
While its not confirmed, it does suggest that if this is the case Odin probably disdains Thor for what he did to Fjörgyn.
Also Mimir also mentioned that he didn't think Odin was responsible for Fjörgyn's death as he wasn't the same since.
This could all be just down to Odin's grief.
I didnt think Odin was Evil till he murdered Thor. Then he showed his true colors and realized everything Mimir and everyone else said was true
I knew he was evil when you found out how he made his raven spies that stuff is just messed up
That tie in with his patricide of Ymir to his conquest for this answer of creation is kind of awesome. Such a cool tie in to a Norse mythology. Because honestly the Ymir thing is fucking messed up. Odin technically created all these realms and this reality but its out of the corpse of his Father. It makes his actions in the ending fit even more. Family means nothing to Odin. His quest for knowledge is all consuming.
2:54 *A wild Jack Nicholson appears*
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH
God of war 2018 when Mimir said Odin couldn't survive in Helheim, Atreus wasn't there
is it ever explained why Odin cannot go to Valhalla? why he's so scared of death?
He created it for humans. Doubt you go to an afterlife you made yourself
valhalla is a hall in his kingdom.
Well, he's destined to die in Ragnarok, and Ragnarok would also destroy Asgard, and Valhalla is in Asgard, so basically there would be no Valhalla left, when he dies
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in other words, he is like human. Willing to sacrifice anything just to know where he will end up after death, like any one of us want to know if the world of death exist when we die, while we literally can make a huge grave yard for our pet dogs and cats.
Something looking back at you from a void that gives you barely comprehensible knowledge, that some eldritch horror shit
It’s so weird the similarities for Thor and Odin are to Sidious and Vader. The creators must’ve taken inspiration from them when they wrote the characters
Ill be controvesial here: Odin is not pure evil.
He isnt an asshole for no reason. He seeks knowledge, because he knows he will die. He wants to know why.
I think everyone can find that relatable.
He is only evil, because he is willing to sacrifice everything to get the answer. Loki breaking the mask... it would be kinder to kill him on the spot.
Odin= when a god is born psychopathic
If that's how you cope with this, alright. People always lean to the comfortable simplistic viewpoint in topics such as this even when it leaves out many crucial details and information.
When faced with someone like Odin, people start to believe, see, and judge what they want to based on their reactionary feelings as opposed to the truth. Believing that what they see on the surface is all there is.
They want to believe those like Odin are as one dimensional and basic as they dehumanize them to be. No one is ever born this way, even if small-minded humans have believed and claimed so over and over again.
He has a story. As you do too and what naive people like you wish to deflect is that you had exactly as equal chances of being him as those like him could have been you. Due to the reality, environment, circumstances, and conditions you and those like him awoke into at birth.
@@knightofkorbin888 actions speak louder than your comment my friend
@@knightofkorbin888 Odin killed yimer his maker like it was nothing for what so he can be all father, he pretended to love a female giant then killed her for her library, inspite of Thor's mother he waved war and persecuted the giant like it was nothing, he killed Thor like he didn't care for him att all then blamed others, he wears a facade of kind, loving and charismatic persona but will do anything for person again, he lies, cares for no one and pretend to care just ontill he gets what he wants not even mentioning the stuff with fraya man's a psychopath through and through
@@Cold_Zero_The_Wise Doesn't that ironically absolve the idea of seeking all knowledge and godhood because nah Odin's just immutably malignant and not a good argument against the idea because he was simply mentally unsuited to be allowed to try, Atreus should have kept the mask because he's better positioned to take a look and it'll be safer cause he's not born evil like Odin, Atreus' drive for knowledge would be much more tempered because he's not born immutably evil like Odin, he'd be much more responsible with all that knowledge and the lengths to achieve it
Comparing GOW Odin to GOW Zeus is interesting, though GOW 3 kind of messes it up since we only ever saw the Zeus that had been "Corrupted" by evil from Pandora's box.
I prefer Gow2 Where Zeus just seemed like a Villain.
And that's even foreshadowed in Gow Ghost of Sparta
If there was a secret ending where you don't kill Odin but Ragnarok ends when he simply leaves, it would have been a good revelation if Athena appeared to show him by going to the river kingdom where the afterlife is hyper defined. To set up a possible next game but still also be a definitive end anyway.
And she renamed herself Minerva also.
Such a conniving silky-voiced, sleazy, slick, used car salesman.
Didn’t Mimir say that O lost his eye after they met at the mystical well? 🤔
What odin told him and what happened are not necessary the same things.
@@stargate6126330 Odin seems to have intentionally played up the idea he's crazy. I imagine it's so people underestimate him & also make himself seem wholly unpredictable. That's kind of brilliant.
To all the people who complain that this GoW isn't as bombastic and grandiose as the OG series, one of the main points of the Norse saga is to grow the fuck up. Odin and the Norse mythos in general are weaker than Zeus and the Greek pantheon, but brute force and domination didn't satiate Kratos. He's fighting over ideals, morals and the shittiness that is the Norse world under Odin's selfish care. Odin is a more subtle villain, fucking with people's minds as well as their bodies.
Is Odin lying about being blinded by the void? Mimir said he lost his eye because he drugged him and convinced him to tear it out. Or is he talking about a temporary blindness?
Looks like there actually might exist some sort of all-creating entity in the universe of GOW. Not the abrahamic god we all know (as he was once known as Yahwe and an important deity of a pantheon whose name I do not know) but another kind of entity that lurks in the depths of Ginnungagap.
Odin gives me sleezy politician vibes.
It almost seems that Odin wishes Atreus was his son rather than Thor.
Hear me out, Odin reminds me of Frank Underwood from House of Cards.
2:43 you got smashed with a hammer by a dwarf
In God of War 2018, Mimir has us believe that Thor is a violent, cruel God. While that’s true, I think that Odin tortured and manipulated Thor into literally being his weapon as no other Aesir before him had such great physical strength. I’m not excusing Thor’s wrongdoings, but I think he tried to change in the past, especially after Magni and Modi’s deaths, but he wasn’t allowed to think or feel, just kill whenever Odin wanted him to and if he died in the process, Odin would do the same to his sons. After Magni and Modi’s death, he really did his best to change, but he feared that Thrúd would suffer the same terrible fate he did. He wanted to stand up to Odin, but he just couldn’t.