Andrew Tate is a Pimp not a Prophet
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Does Candace Owens not understand that it's the LAW ENFORCEMENT that accuses Tate? It's not Twitter mob, it's not RUclips drama, it's the literal law enforcement.
The grift must continue at ALL costs
Candace Owens absolutely understands. But again--the grift. It's all about the bag, so she'll say whatever she needs to make sure she gets paid. This is why liberals need to stop taking the likes of Owens and Shapiro seriously--they are clowns who do not care.
Candace Owens doesn't understand much of anything. Her claim to fame was gaslighting racism in her highschool, thats it. She supported Nazis and Nazism, she believes that racism doesn't exist, slavery was actually a good thing for black americans because white people took them out of the jungle and de-monkeyfy them. All she understands is how to shuck and jive to white people because obliterating the civil rights of the black community for profit is preferable then to live as a black woman in her eyes. She made entire PragerU videos about it, im not exaggerating. She is literal evil alongside Tate and Kanye. The Axis of Evil conservatives
@@dnikkithatsame5990 Glad you said it, because Candance Owens is not out there spouting these opinions from a place of earnestness.
As the old saying goes, a person cannot understand what they're being paid to not understand.
Do you know what I find peculiarly interesting?... In the UK there was/is an idea that Romania is a lawless land that is borderline medieval, it comes from the vile xenophobia (that came from the top down) around the build up to the referendumn in 2016 and it is no doubt based on this xenophobia that Andrew Tate made his assumption that Romania would allow him to be a rapist with impunity. How coldly ironic that Romania turned out to treat women who are victims of sex crimes far better than the UK who ignored women who came forward with RECORDINGS of him admitting to rape.
The UK needs investigating, its a very troubling country.
👏👏👏 totally agree!!!
As an English person, I endorse this statement. All the politicians have doubled down on brexit with very few exceptions.
The reason why Tate wasn't convicted in the UK is because the net would naturally move towards Westminster. Boris Johnson was mayor of London from 2010-2015 and then PM from 2019-2022. He's effectively Tate with inherited wealth - no way are these things not connected
99% of reported rape cases in the UK go ignored. 89% in the US. I was also surprised to find Ireland on a list with Dubai, Afghanistan & Saudi Arabia for arresting rape victims...
It does need to be said that Romania IS a country with an enormous human trafficking problem and law enforcement is looser there when it comes to sexual crimes. Tate wasn't completely wrong for thinking that. What he forgot was that 'less strict' doesn't mean 'absent', so eventually they caught wind of his little scheme. It probably also didn't helpt that he kept advertising Romania as a sexual exploitation paradise to a massive audience.
Btw, I too am English and my family ignore me for calling out a pedo in the family...
Dude, it's so refreshing to hear a man on RUclips not falling for that manosphere nonsense. Who sees Andrew for who he is. You can still be a "Man" without all the narcissism, insecurities, and hostility of an "Alpha".
Turns out the "alpha" wolves they studied in captivity were aggressive from fear, not dominance. So every admitted "alpha" is quite literally admitting to being a coward.
It should be obvious, but isn't.
Please do not forget Men can be Men without allegations of Human Trafficking and Money Laundering. Hot take I know.
And in all honesty all those traits you listed aren’t even “Alpha behavior” a true man knows how to respect everyone, defends what’s right, doesn’t play victim, and work hard and diligently for everything he deserves. Tate is the furthest thing from an Alpha and even that term “Alpha” is played out and has since been debunked by the person that committed that study. Trust me guys, being a good guy gets you laid, gets you attention, gets you opportunities and even better gets you the life partner you deserve. You don’t need to be a Tate type just be yourself.
@@christiantabares6713 lol maybe you should start your own top g school for 50 bucks a month.
What’s hilarious to me is how many people don’t know pimping is illegal
It’s become so normalized in American society
It's glamorized and especially stuck in the white consciousness when it comes to black images.
In America. Many other countries prostitution is legal.
While illegal, most pimping laws in America are deeply routed in racism to stop interracial dating. Look up white slaver laws, pimping today is a far cry from what it was in the 60s and 70s.
We live in a crazy world...
"Maybe, in Romania, it is legal!" Yes, that is why he was taken in by the authorities, because he was such an upstanding citizen over there.
Legal is not always moral. Its legal to cheat on your wife. So, her argument about something being legal in Romania, while knowing its not moral, is stupid.
@@citoante 100% true
She could have looked up where being a pimp is legal. There’s only 9 countries where it is legal and Romania isn’t one of them!
@@meowiestwo Were Candace interested in researching things, she would not have taken this path.
I’ve been seeing this argument too. Letting people get away with crimes is a good thing now?
We shouldn't have to explain hate against women. A lot of the alt right discourse hides behind regressive societal norms. 100% agree with you brother. Keep up your great work.
@@TheDCbiz about what????????
@@callofmetals24 what hate against women are you talking about?
@@TheDCbiz you're asking this question about a man who is accused of sex trafficking women, be fr
@@TheDCbiz
So you know who Andrew Tate is, but you're not aware of any of the accusations against him.
Here comes the "I dunno what you're talking about" crowd. 🤣
“You cannot convince a woman to sell her body and then give you the money without some type of physical or emotional violence.”
As a former stripper who at the time was in an abusive relationship that very much felt like pimping, this hit me over the head. I probably doubt my own experience too much.
You are more than enough. You were and are born worthy. Relearning to trust yourself will come. Patience and loving kindness.
Much 💗 and healing- you are not alone.
My sister was in the same situation. A lot of people have cognitive dissonance about this reality. There’s a lot of toxic positivity about this dynamic and it is rarely depicted for what it really is.
@@LoneWulf278 I've been fortunate enough to never have to resort to sex work in order to survive, but I know what you mean about the toxic positivity thing. I honestly have a big issue with the current conversation around sex work, because yes there are people that do it consensually and that should be fine, but they're in the minority of SWers and yet somehow they're consistently the loudest voices on the topic
@@LoneWulf278 The toxic positivity surrounding sex work also has to do with who the face of sex work tends to be. When people want to demonize sex work, trans women and woc (especially if neither mixed nor part-white nor white-passing) tend to be represented. When people want to praise sex work, cis white women that are attracted to men tend to be represented.
@@medtle1 Yep. You took a long way to day Black Women though.
sex trafficking, rape charges either being true or not..I never thought I'd hear a "conservative" defend sex work in any way. so much for god, family values and such
Conservatives dont have family values or even believe in God that's just the stereotype & what they want you to see them as, that's why the masks always slip. They're only about their money.
As long as something is profitable for men they tend to look the other way.
ugh yes
Candace Owens is a mass, she doesnt count as a conservative
U mean conservatives with no real political stance who just loves to grift
I appreciate the language you use around trafficking, specifically "they are collected." I work as a forensic nurse and part of my job is presenting about relevant topics, including trafficking. To many people have that image of physical bondage, but cannot wrap their heads around mental, emotional, and financial bondage - and that isn't even touching on substance use as a form of control, which is harder to change mindsets around since to many people in positions to help have ideas of good victim and bad victim. Makes me nuts. Thanks for the work you have done and continue to do.
Thank you for the work that you do 💗
In the field as well, fd is solid, as is Hasan and a few others
@@skiphopflipflopdripdrop I'll try to explain as best I can.
"They are collected" = Rather than kidnapping average people off the street, many victims of human trafficking are people from vulnerable communities who often don't have healthygroups of family and friends to support them emotionally and financially. Human traffickers exploit this fact by offering them a sense of belonging while being exploited.
Physical bondage = I am forcing you to do things and remain with me due to threats of violence or physically preventing you from leaving.
Mental/emotional bondage = I'm forcing you to do things and remain with me because I've successfully convinced you that I am the only one capable of meeting your emotional needs. Or I have convinced you that my abilities to manipulate and control you are greater than they actually are.
Financial bondage = I'm forcing you to do things or remain with me because you have a large amount of monetary debt that you need to repay before you will be able to be free.
Substance use as a form of control = Often a case of making the person addicted to a drug or other form of abusable substance, and then being their primary source of the substance, which the abuser holds back from the victim until they do what the abuser wants.
Ideas of Good Victim/Bad Victim = This one is a lot to unpack, but basically it's the idea that a "Good victim" is being held there against their will and will reasonably do everything they can to escape their abuser. They will also seek out those who can help them escape, and be happy and grateful when help is offered. A "Bad Victim" in this case is someone who, in many cases, has been manipulated in so many of the ways listed above that they often appear to outsiders as if "they want to remain with their abuser", and in some cases they may avoid seeking outside help, or be ungrateful or hostile when their abusers is jailed and they are "saved" from them. The important thing to keep in mind is that these "Bad victims" are still victims, and still just as worthy of help and support. The original commentator was expressing frustration at the fact that many people in the positions of power where they're able to directly help victims of trafficking, often aren't educated in the ways victims are psychologically manipulated, so may refuse to help victims who they believe "don't even want their help".
This is all my own reading of things though, so if anyone with a better or deeper understanding of the forces at play and how to explain them wants to jump in, please be my guest.
But she is so offeneded by who is on the "list" from Epstein Island.
Hope f.d. sees this
After reading the article in which a woman quite literally described Andrew Tate r-wording her, hearing candace owens say she doesn’t believe he’s a rapist is yet another confirmation that she’s either profoundly stupider even than i thought or somehow an even worse person than she’s already shown herself to be. and i would be floored at the arrogance if it were not so expected.
She's as terrible person as you hoped she wasn't. The mental gymanistics she had to utlise to get one sentence out in the segment F.D. shared. I hope her assistant is preparing a burn book large enough to heat a tri state area. Also much that it doesn't matter as another black woman I want slap her head off.
She's stupid but smart enough to get her money while playing stupider..
Has the amber heard case not teach nothing to ppl about the #MeToo movement, and what happens when we blindly beleive women because they have a vag between her legs? jesus man. what happened to "innocent till proven guilty" ? we would all be defending u and ur family if that happened to you, where does this hate come from, theres 0 evidence of rap*, this girl u talking to, was exposed yesterday in a whatasapp message sayng " its not rap* if its consentual", 62% of women have rap* fantasys look it up
It's the latter. She's an awful, awful person.
She doesn't believe a word she says, but she'll happily say it to collect money from right wingers, and damn the consequences. Awful human being.
He didn't just said that he wants women to be subservient, Andrew Tate said that woman is his property ( literally). It's called slavery and Candace Ownens should know better than defend him.
Candace is about her bag. Nothing else.
If you publicly perform mental gymnastics to give Adolf H. a pass, nothing is sacred
@@foodiusmaximuspretty much. The stans here are constantly moving the goal posts because they’re more concerned about the label of “misogyny” rather than the content being misogynistic. Basically the agree and enjoy the misogyny from the likes of Tate, but hate the fact that in the real world, most people would consider them misogynists.
Which they absolutely are.
She is doing this to distance herself from "feminism". Note how logical she tries to sound.
You really think candance Owens know any better really?
Tattooing on the collected women is called Branding. It's branding and people still don't see the connection with Trafficking and slavery
Except to be a slave you have force me to do labour for you, these women are clearly exchanging there labour for whatever they feel is valuable enough. For my auntie it was crack but I very much believe there are women that’ll do it for money
@@kingpimpskinnypimp5329 That means she was coerced into s3x work to feed her addiction. They may be paid, but it's not much and it's generally very coercive. It's still a problem.
@@kingpimpskinnypimp5329 the dumbest thing I ever read. Trafficking is FORCED. Pimping is FORCED. Stop playing semantics manospherian. We See you.
I teach at an all black school and the amount of young boys who talk positively about Tate is disturbing. The students who are fans of his also happen to be those with troubled home lives and the biggest emotional issues. The manosphere really does prey on the most insecure boys. It gives them a target to blame all their woes on, and that target is almost always women.
That tells you exactly how they feel about woman. I'm not surprised at all why the birth rate is going down. What kind of inteligent woman would want to deal with these men in first place?!
I know it's cliché but there is something also wrong about the music being listened to, and the movies/TV/videos being watched, at that age which helps to reinforce that toxic mindset.
I have male cousins that are black and were/are raised in a two-headed household and still listen to Andrew Tate. Society is not teaching boys to handle negative emotions cpnstructively. They're not telling teaching boys that vulnerability is strength.
@@oratiletsimatsima9643 exactly.
I tell my students all the time that it is ok to be sad/angry/vulnerable, as long as they don't use those emotions as justification to hurt other people.
@@reyrapids63 You said it all. 🙋
I'm so glad I have older sisters. They sat me down when I was in high school and told me bluntly about not listening to guys who say the same kinds of things in like 2013/14. Something about hearing that from the people you look up to the most in life really hit me. I dodged all the MRA/incel/Hustle shit since.
Blessed be your sisters !
But did your sisters date the type of men they encouraged you to be? This is where the rubber meets the road.
They gave the best onesided feminist advice they could give. 👍🏿 You know the Red Pill community/Manosphere has content that you have to be discerning with. They're Red Pill content out there that does help young men, and the rest are just too angry to be listened to. Plus, say what you want. A lot of MRA have legitimate male problems that they speak about, especially paternity fraud. You probably should watch the doc Red Pill. That a former feminist made.
@@keanubelle1157 These people do not care about the truth. At this point I think men need to realize that we're not dealing with a political movement but a religious one. The West has given itself to the worship of the feminine principle and all blasphemers must be dealt with. If you do not believe that women should make all the rules and be the primary beneficiaries of romantic or interpersonal relationships between the sexes then you are a misogynist that needs to be marginalized.
A man can change his environment to suit his needs
A women can manipulate a man to secure that hers are met
Have fun on that plantation thinking that women have your best Interest at heart
R.I.P. brother you stood no chance against your older siblings
being asked to focus on your:
health
job
setting boundaries / having self respect
truly was the message YOU needed to be protected from
When you think slavery can be blamed on the enslaved, OF COURSE you don't think a rapist is a rapist...
only Kanye blames slavery on the enslaved
@@millsykooksy4863 You’d be surprised.
@@millsykooksy4863 who was with him when he made that comment and has stood up for him making that comment? Seems like she at least doesn't disagree with him
Slavery is the fault of the enslaved. Most slaves could kill themselves but there to afraid. There cowards. There to afraid to die for there own freedom. They allow themselves to go mad bcuz they are weak cowards. Nd Tate didn't enslave nobody they always were allowed to come or go
@@frcomet5009 Lol, leave it to a Taint sniffer to misunderstand the text, the context and the subtext...
What's scary is young boys are telling their female teachers they don't have to listen to them because the teachers are women. They're also saying women hold responsibility for being raped. It'd be a bit intimidating to be a women teacher with classes full of young men regurgitating hateful things.
They should get no grade in that subject.
And yall wonder why childfree woman's movement is getting stronger and stronger?! What woman wants to birth these monsters?
@@frida507 that's most likely illegal sadly
Seems like a form of discrimination or hate speech that could face consequences in most schools to me. I remember my school having strict rules when it came to obeying and talking back to teachers and authority figures. Unfortunately I have been hearing about more instances like this recently.
This is why feminists have been saying for a while that men have to start helping. (Yes, feminists have their own biases and prejudices to work on, I see all the TERFS) A woman explaining how men harm women, sharing her experience in the world...all this falls on deaf ears because men who don't respect women will never listen. Men like Fiq are bridging the gap and it makes a difference.
"Trauma bonding" is generally a better alternative to "Stockholm syndrome."
Incel king Andrew Tate knows that
@@teoleno4019 the irony in the women’s man also being the incel king
It's the same.
Weaponized Trauma Bonding maybe?
For those Muslim fans of Andrew Tate that come to his defense here, I'll first ask you to fear Allah, and remember these words from our Prophet:
“ The Best Of You Are Those Who Are Best To Their Women.”
- Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ)
Sunan al-Tirmidhī
A lot of muslims are redpillers and in the manosphere. Males and females. There are probably more Muslims there than anything.
Didn’t all these accused things happen before he converted to Islam?
i truly despise the muslim men that idolize him. Even before he converted. He knew his audience well.
@@buddigabong you’re not forgiven for things you’ve committed against people, unless you ask the people themselves for forgiveness and they forgive you. Him converting doesn’t erase his transgressions against others.
@@buddigabong He has been pimping them via webcam since he converted.
It's amazing how no matter what the situation, Candice will always have the absolute worst take, every single time.
It’s all about the grift baby
@@CatieAndHerCats exactly
Right?! It’s lucrative and gets lots of attention. That’s all that matters for her.
Without fail!
@@Lily-gs9iv lol how?
One of the most disturbing revalations of this situation is just how deeply inept the British criminal justice system is when it comes to prosecuting sex crimes and abuse. Unfortunately, as a Brit, I've seen this happen far too many times and I'm glad there's an international spotlight on the criminal levels of negligence and lack of care from the UK police.
Thanks for your input on this, I especially appreciate your perspective as someone who has direct experience working with survivors. Keep up the good work.
Yeah the biggest perpetrators here are the British police .
Did he already have his pimping business when he lived in the UK?
@@youcanthandlethetruth8873 yes; that's the whole reason he left the country and went to Romania!
@@tyrreloneal5178 Ah OK. I just thought that he only really started his pimping business after leaving the UK, for the aforementioned reason.
As a fellow Brit, I have to wonder how much is ineptitude and how much of it is corruption. Following the shocking and easily avoided abduction and unaliving of Sarah Everard so many horrifying facts have come out about various police departments it doesn't surprise me how these criminals get away with it.
Owens defense of Tate is nauseating.
Tbf, most everything she says is nauseating.
She is also a demagogue. This isn't about left or right politics. It's about good vs evil
Gives me a lot of new insight as to who Candace is. I wonder if she'd even be Conservative if she hadn't become very wealthy by pretending to be one.
I know she's a shill but this is sad....
She's at least got a good price for selling her soul.
it’s really sad how much someone is willing to sell out this hard
definitely a “f*ck you got mine” mentality
@@grmpEqweer does she? She keeps selling, so must not be worth much to start.
@@BlackTestament "fuck you *to* get mine"*
As I write this I feel bile in my throat but I'm waiting until hers don't come. Ignoring the Tv adaptation for a sec, she is a black Serena Joy from The Handmaid Tale and the Gilead bull she's selling would put her into slavery faster than you can say handbag
I have an adult son, and a 14-yr-old boy at home, we'll call him A. A, like other boys his age, looked at Andrew Tate, his swagger, style, money, etc and idolized him. The ideas put forth, that are like baby pimpin nuggets, like girls are lazy and dumb -- seem reasonable to middle school aged boys. They look around at the girls and don't understand them. They relate to other boys.
At home I hear him defending Andrew Tate "It might be a set-up" "How do you know?" etc. And I think about when I was around his age.
The boys in my neighborhood would notice the pimp before any other man. Fathers and husbands who had regular jobs or maybe ran a business wore regular clothes and drove a regular car. But Pinky? No, not pinky who lived two blocks from me. He dressed fancy, wore shades, and drove a pink cadillac.
My next door neighbor, Cupid, was a nice guy. I always liked him. And although he was a pimp and other things before, his life changed and he worked a nine to five. But he still kept his flashy, pimped out cadillac from his pimpin days.
And us boys? We wanted to be like them. They were the ones we saw with money and independence. We didn't know what it included. We didn't know you would have to use your charm, sex, maybe drugs, violence, intimidation, always watching, always vigilant -- especially because he needed to get his money every day, and he needed to watch out for other pimps who would steal his money makers.
It is really a challenge to shake some of these ideas out of boys heads -- they start thinking it's ok to make money any way you can -- casino, cam-business, etc.. Worse, I need to know that boys and girls will be safe from these predators. As a father I am supposed to protect. But I can't be there every second. We all have to work together to create a society free from pimps and predators.
Young boys just wants someone who represent them. Not every young boy wants to wear make up and rainbow. Feminism movement is the one to blame. They went so far left. Feminism wants to create BETA Male a feminine male where Andrew Tate comes in and tell them; Nah. Be Alpha Male. It is the battle of ideologies. This will been on parents. Do you wants your kids to be Feminine Male or Alpha Male. Your choice IMO.
@@groundtrader173 it's the LGBT community who want boys to be rainbow and glitter. Feminists care about women. They're not interested in how men are dressed
@@groundtrader173 Who is pushing young boys to wear make up? A few years ago I was attending a university where groups of young kids came in to use the sports facilities. Almost all these kids were “normal” looking talking about games, or rapping or joking with each other. Like we did in my childhood. Never have I seen throughout that entire city someone that looks like what you described. And I lived in Ottawa, one of the more leftist places in Canada. Even when that teacher from Hamilton was dressing up like a buffoon to get fired, the kids were the ones saying that how he was dressing is weird. The school district was pretty much the only ones saying that he is allowed to dress that way.
No one with a working mind is acting like this new wave of feminism has got everything right. It’s the media that’s portraying it in such a way because businesses are evaluated by investors on categories of “inclusivity” and “sustainability”. It’s also in the media’s interest to create such strong division because people who are paranoid will look at the news more often and are more inclined to believe such a strong division in society exists.
Also there is no feminine male or Alpha male. How many people do you know that neatly fit into these two categories? And I’m not talking about influencers or celebrities, I’m talking about real people you know
@@groundtrader173 This whole "alpha male" psudo-science is such crap. People need to drop the stupidity, and the shit ideology. Just sayin'.
@@groundtrader173 the problem with your views is that you think it's either the weak men who are respectful or the strong men who are disrespectful. There are infinite possibilities in-between these two extremes that shouldn't be disregarded but rather favorited
“Andrew Tate wasn’t only pimping those women victims” YUPPPPP…
lots of men fell for it, *including* certain manosphere podcasters (cough Fed&Fit cough) that are STILL defending Tate’s abhorrent behavior
Oshay Duke Jackson is defending him, too. He’s convincing his followers that the audio from the Vice documentary is AI generated.
I Think F&F are partly defending him for ulterior reasons. They've seen how much feedback he generates and are hoping to feed off it for their own benefits. They see a possible opening lane
Sneako too
Thinking pimps are "cool" is so 2010. Tate's fanbase sounds like Riley from The Boondocks. Imagine watching "Taken" and then saying"yeah, I want to be like the bad guys in that."
Also, the thing that he's been saying is cool and that he would do for years, he goes and does and they're all "innocent until proven guilty!" Hey, he said he'd be fine with doing the thing, I don't see why they're so surprised that he did the thing that he's been saying was okay.
Also shoutout to Romania for hearing all this "they're cool with that over there," and responding with "no we are fucking not, bam, here's your proof."
No pimps are still very cool. Take this from a young man in the know your just getting old :p
@@kingpimpskinnypimp5329 They're not. They're only cool to people with limited brain capacity.
Yeah man don't go around talking about crooked cops, judges and politicians like that. If they are crooked, they will frame you. Even dumber move if you are clearly doing illegal things that police actually want to investigate.
@@kingpimpskinnypimp5329
So, since I'm too old to think that pimps are cool, does that mean that pimps recently became cool and my old ass missed it? I guess I missed out on this new hip "pimp" concept that you young'uns invented. Please, go ahead and explain this new invention of "pimpdom" to me, young child. I'm all ears...
@@kingpimpskinnypimp5329 you need therapy bruh because there's gonna come a day when u reach a certain age and everybody leaves because of ur behavior
Watching Tate talk about how he manipulated those cam girls was absolutely disgusting. And to watch people defend him was even worse. We don't turn a blind eye to evil just because we like someone.
It's almost as if adult women can't be trusted to make their own decisions
@@kayc7442 Ah, the "Why'd you go and let yourself get stabbed" argument.
@@mars9986I hate when you internet fuckers say one line that has nothing to do with disproving the statement. like you clearly understand he’s commenting on the fact that there are women who see the finnacial aspect of being a hoe a good enough reason to become one. And you literally just cast it aside
@@mars9986 like I’d get it if this was one of those situations where a guy says a women deserved sexual assault cause idk she was wearing a dress, cause then you can use the why’d you stabe yourself because the women’s initial intention is to maybe go out no one intends for a crime to be done to them. But your talking about a complex issue here and just glossing over major factors trying to simply something that’s not simple.
@@kingpimpskinnypimp5329 What was glossed over exactly? The man said in plain english what he did. He openly says, I manipulate these women and this is how I do it. Learn from me and you too can manipulate a large scale cam girl operation as well. HE SAYS, these girls wont need him forever and you need to trick them into to being fully dependent on him. He says that the girls are not allowed to leave his compound. He says he underpays them for their work and takes advantage of their lack of knowledge and impressionability. He says "You need these girls to believe they need you." This is fraud, cut and dry? Why are we defending a man who openly tells you exactly what he does? What about the girls who were tricked into working as cam girls under the false pretense of marriage and would be threatened when they "underperformed." What the fuck exactly is there to defend? As an employer, you don't get to steal and threaten your employees. It doesn't matter if it was cam work. It was wrong. Everyone who believes in this man needs to re-evaluate their moral compass because it is truly busted.
The right defending someone who does SA colour me surprised
Donald Trump was literally Epstein's co-defendant.
Last year it was q annon , this year it's e pimpin cult. Anything to prove they are ideology dependent.
If it was up to them, woman would be stripped of their ability to work, vote or have abortions.
@@teoleno4019 No they need Abortion to keep people from learning they knocked up their daughters.
I mean the left defended bill clinton after he got his dick sucked IN the oval office so im not....understanding the point here.
You're absolutely right about Andrew Tate's blow up being due to his misogyny and not his self help, and you can tell by looking at Gary V's popularity vs Andrew Tate. Their self help message is basically the same, the big difference is Andrew Tate's rampant chauvinism.
@Wren Hoshiko you're absolutely right
@Wren Hoshiko Nah,I’d actually argue he blew up especially from those who hated the bad parts of his rhetoric(rightfully so)but fatally gave him crazy attention by shouting his name on all platforms.
@@davelawson03 Not exactly. It's a natural cycle that a new online personality rises popularity and has fans sharing the content or their takes, people will start talking about them and coincidentally give them more attention in their criticism.
He blew up because the big tech companies decided to cancel him simultaneously.
@@davelawson03 It was the cancelling that made him blow up.
As a survivor I just- I love your work and ability to destroy idiots and not hate sex workers. It’s the - idk- I love and appreicate what you do so much
It’s his compassion ❤️
@@kbrown3787 compassion feels so rare nowadays… need more of it.
Classic chud: *Watches Taxi Driver and thinks Travis is the good guy*
Next level chud: *Watches Taxi Driver and thinks Sport is the good guy*
And Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix's jokers
"Tell a woman to [ do sex work ], and give you the money, without coercion or threats of violence."
YES. EXACTLY. And you said folks can do consensual sex work. YES. It is labour. And pimps using abuse and violence to make money off of their sex work? Their Labour? That isn't the same.
if they were above 18 it's their fault they didn't go to the police. after 18 the only real person responsible for your actions is yourself
@@spear8403no no no your either a socio path or gotta think about what you said right there cause no
There are women out there who don’t get hit who get pimped, there’s also terms for women to avoid those pimps if another pimp is deemed a gorilla pimp then he’s known for not treating his staff well. I feel as if conseual pimping and hoeing is going on stay out of two adults buiesness if she sees that as a way she’s fine with making money doing
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nah. The pimps should be even more responsible then. What's there excuse.
@@stoodmuffinpersonal3144 if a man flashes money and gets robbed, the robber should be prosecuted ofc but you should give no pity to the man who flashed his money like a moron.
i think that the pimp in all situations should be prosecuted because i dislike any form of paid sex work but i do not have the slightest remorse for the women who were in that situation unless they were under 18. i treat them the same as a man in this "equal" society because you have to be real dumb to go into sex work, and i do not feel sorry for you being so dumb
Real men don't abuse, take advantage, or brag. Can you imagine Superman or Batman acting like Andrew Tate?
Your examples of "real" men are Superman and Batman? Good Lord get it together nerd lol.
@@MsCwebb Superman and Batman are fictional ideals of what a real man should be.
When I came to the US I was amazed that many people thought that pimps are cool. It's basically a guy who is financially supported by women who sleep with other men. I can understand thinking that gangsters and mobsters are cool, but pimps? It's as if you went to another country and you found that pedophiles are cool there.
@@MsCwebb Theres a lot of positive masculine themes in comics so he's valid for saying this
Liking Batman and Superman doesn’t make anyone a nerd. In fact most people like both of them
Don't forget Spider-Man (Peter, Miles, Miguel, Ben and many others who've taken up the mantle of Spider-Man) he's never taken advantage of anyone or abused anyone either (unless there are trash stories out there where he does) he's always helped others and has been a hero both in and out of his costume.
Because unlike Tate, Spider-Man would actually uplift everyone around him into greatness if he could.
Looking back, I’m AMAZED Tate had such a big following. His brand of “game”, misogyny, chauvinism, etc is a grotesque and mutated version that’s bordering on cartoonish.
It’s almost as if his content was a litmus test to answer the question, “are you a human or not?” And the scary thing is, lots of people failed the test.
Another element to Tate's blowup is that those who payed into his "Hustler's University" (which was a textboook mlm scheme) were instructed to create fresh accounts & propogate his clips across multiple social media platforms.
This is how he'd game the system to get trending quickly & inevitably boosted by an algorithm.
Fiq is absolutely correct that Tate would be nowhere if all his messaging was purely self-help (HasanAbi has also talked about Tate has actually been around for a lot longer than most think trying to make a name for himself as redpill edge-lord) but the army of fans posting his clips everywhere is why he blew up so much so fast seemingly out of nowhere. His growth was not organic
"had"
I'm not. I'm older and I remember the whole pickup artist thing from back in my day. Its the same thing but on 2022 steroids. From how to pick up women to how to enslave women. That's the road the redpill goes too...the final form is full on fascism and total subjugation of everyone outside the ingroup.
@@ShermanWilliamsVideo I remember the pickup artist stuff as well (on VH1). The evolution reminds me of the way we went from the Tea Party to Q, 45 and the alt right in the span of 10 years (or less)
@@MrOzzification ..You're right, I see so many damn Andrew Tate clips all over social media...it's disgusting and annoying. Every time I talk to a Tate fan, I roll my eyes with the excuses they give..."Tate is truth teller! He's exposing the system! He knows secrets, he's a motivational speaker!"....and on and on. Then they go on to lie that all the allegations were made up and false, and if Tate goes to prison it's because the system wanted to silence him!....Please give me a break. They do not see that he is a scam artist, throws in a few conspiracies here and there to lure them in, and says a few motivational things. All that makes them not see the misogyny.
That Candace Owens clip is INSANE. Imagine speaking so confidently and loudly in a public forum about shit you're completely uninformed on. She's literally saying she doesn't know what she's talking about as she's talking.
2:33 You cannot convince a woman to sell her body and give you the money without some type of physical or emotional violence.
That's important.
If that’s the case, how is OnlyFans still in business?
@@bimrebeats how is that anywhere near the same? OF creators make and keep their own money while paying the actual company a fee for advertising on their website. 🤦🏾♂️
This is literally what pimps argue too tho lol. I think it’s legal on the same technicality that prostitution is illegal but pornography is allowed. An… interesting interpretation of the free speech laws (at least in the US)
@@grindseason7728I have a family that contained 2 pimps and a prostitute I live on the east coast where pimping isn’t easy. Let me be the one ta tell ya that there’s a lot of women who will willingly fuck you yes you if you gave them the right bit of change
I’m glad you didn’t cut out the “Kevin Wilson” part. The chat was going crazy lol. Much love ❤️ ✌🏾
You have earned my subscription. This is what I told my son. "All pimps are misogynists!"
I meant to type sooner but I was painting my nails. Thank you for further connecting Andrew Tate's rhetoric to Iceberg Slim and I'll also add Donald Goines. I immediately thought of them when I saw Tate's Hustler's University clips. The key difference is that when those men wrote about their experiences, it was not meant to be instructional, but personal memoirs. What could have been interpreted as cautionary tales, within the context of capitalist, racist, patriarchal U.S., were instead used as instruction manuals for desperate people looking for a come up. Black folks know these books, so I'm frequently disappointed when other nonblack Leftists refuse to read anything like that because they don't think they can connect with it.
SOME black people know these books. Let's not assume all black people read these books
Very true, ice berg slim depicts an absolute horror in his book, in no way are you wanting to be a pimp after reading. Although the psychology and systems used by pimps are evident in everyday society.
It is a testament to the power of the status quo that these grifters can just... say this shit with a straight face and not be laughed out of every room ever for the rest of their life.
The thing is, and the point that’s been made in this channel for years, is that dicks like Tate can say what he does because he’s not actually main stream. If you ask the average person who Andrew Tate is, they would most likely have no idea who you were talking about. Most of these fringe Manosphere idiots have no real footprint outside of Twitter.
@@TheSkaOreo thank you for reminding me of that 💜 I was feeling angry for life reasons and it's so easy to get tunnel vision on the internet when you're looking to stay angry. Their gall still irks me but I don't need to let that consume all my attention.
If a person believes women otta be subservient to men, denying them their emotional, and mental autonomy. It isn't a stretch, or shocking in any way that same person would then deny women their bodily autonomy in a sexual context. It's the logical outcome of what they believe given their previous warped dehumanizing views of women. The internalizion of this can, and does have a profound affect on how people view themselves, and how they view other's "role" in society. I respect he's able to discuss different aspects of how this negatively affects men, and boys, without dismissing women's experiences. As a man myself, Idk why it's difficult for others to make these connections. Systemic commodification of women's bodies is nothing new, and a lack of consent is often necessary to uphold it. My heart goes out to all the women who were/are impacted by this continual system of abuse, and the normalization of it. Truly it's just awful beyond words.
Edit: Also don't think this should need to be said, but for clarity; violating a woman's bodily autonomy extends to the non sexual physical violence displayed by people who partake in, or idealize subjugation of women. Removal of reproductive rights is utilized to serve the same purposes within government policy.
Well your just assuming… that’s it that might be why most people can’t understand yu too
But your first sentence isn’t too off that’s sounds like Middle East alright.
@@kingpimpskinnypimp5329 I wasn't assuming anything, everything I said has ample evidence to back it up. Also the middle east? That came out of left field.. you do know many other countries around the world share in those same problems? There are places within the middle east where women have more of a voice, it isn't a monolith. The middle east is very big, and encompasses lots of different countries. It's strange the middle east is what your mind immediately jumps to when reading my first line. Disparaging women by forcing submission, and violating bodily autonomy is not exclusive to any one part of the world. I think it is just easier for people to dicuss another countries poor treatment of women, rather than looking internally to confront how their own country treats women. It's a nice way to remain outraged by another country, while still being detached from their own countries ills.
The most beta thing I can think of is simping for a grifter like tate, believing his lies about his wealth, and being one of the rubes who would actually pay attention to him and give him money.
I agree but I think simping for JustPearlyThings might be worse 😂
@@kristinaandreeva9380 Just looked over her channel. Yeah, she's just as bad, at least. I mean, at least she's not a literal rapist? So there's that. But she sounds like the type who'd blame what a woman's wearing if they were.
@@tyrongkojy she’s a rape apologist and recently defended Andrew Tate and said that “these girls chose to go there”.
Plus she’s previously said women should not be allowed to vote, birth control should be banned, also claims that “blind submission” is good for women and calls overweight women land whales and so much more 🤮
@@kristinaandreeva9380 Yeah, no, I figured all that from all the titles I was reading. 100% belveie she's a rape apologist. Just saying at least she's not a rapist herself.
Maybe. I'd believe it if it turned out she was. Held someone down. Or did it herself. I'd believe it.
@@kristinaandreeva9380i fw tate ion fw her she’s corny
THANK YOU. I was starting to get real annoyed with blaming this right wing manosphere thing completely on the inability of leftists to speak to men and boys. We are asking everyone to do better, and how many people really want to hear that? It's just easier for the right cuz they are an extension of the status quo.
When I was young, the boys really treated us ( not all of them of course but a big chunk of them) as objects. Im 31 now. A lot of the sentiment online now, I heard on the streets and in classrooms back then. We stuggled with loverboys heavily. I used to get sexually harassed DAILY at school. . This has always been here.
For a young boy who's insecure etc, It's the easier choice to make. It validates the worst in these boys while giving them slivers of useful advice anyone with a good head on their shoulders could give, irregardless of gender. This is also something I worry about seeing this rise of similar ( but different) content by women for women. It's also why I've really grown tired of " all men are trash" sentiments.
Freaking speak it. I said the same in the kidology video. The left doesn't appeal to young men because it won't lie to them and it won't sell them a fake 1 step solution to "getting" women.
"All men are trash" sentiments don't result in men being beaten, killed, shot at or sex trafficked.
@@laurelgardner because there is not status quo for that as the OP initially noted. It's just amplifying the visibility and normalcy of what already exists. I think the analogue for women is much more the MLM scene, still doesn't involve human trafficking(to my knowledge) because it preys on a sort of desperation, isolation, and ignorance.
Would you really class Jordan Peterson in the same group with Tate and K Samuels?
@@T.C556 he's certainly hard veering in that direction. He's just far more eloquent than Tate.
Thank you for the content!
Much appreciated!
I'm an adult sexworker, have been for yrs in many different jobs/gigs/setups. From hustling on the street as a young kid which was much less consensual and much more exploitative over sugardating which is a fuckload of grey areas, to making porn and professional escort work as a more mature adult and now I'm in 100% control of my work, money, services and boundaries.
I deeply appreciate the way you explain this.
I hear your legit respect for the profession.
You are keeping very Clear distinctions between sexwork and trafficking/exploitation/pimping.
It's unfortunately very rare that we can have a serious public conversation about sexwork with all the nuance needed.
Or even having a conversation about sexual violence without falsely villainizing queer ppl and sexworkers.
Great job mate on describing the despicable Tate too.
Very accurate and sharp.
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The sex workers believing that their pimps have supernatural powers made me look at the social commentary behind Jessica Jones in a completely new light! That's powerful!
Oh that's interesting!! I hope that show gets another season
When women keep quiet: "why didnt you say something/report it?"
When women say something/report: "she is lying and trying to take innocent men down"
EXACTLY
I've just begun to realise how much your content and stuff adjacent to it helped keep me sane through the last year or two. As a not so sociable guy who's not particularly successful outside of academics, I probably would've ended up in a worse place without all this. Especially considering how a large part of my social circle's fallen for Tate hook line n sinker.
Awww, well done! I hope your friends are okay, this stuff is dangerous
Respect to you for having that level of maturity! Don't give up on your friends, I think they can still be reached and this is coming from someone likely older than you who has struggled immensely with dating and went down the manosphere route. I'm now recovering through content like FD's and it's helping my mindest a lot. Let your friends express their frustration but also be there to guide them on a healthier path, at least in the moments when you have the energy to take on that battle. Best of luck!
as someone whos afab (assigned female at birth) , he keeps me sane by reminding me theres still some people with sense in the world. Specifically men, idk because w/o seeing it, it just feels like a whole half of the world just doesn’t have any compassion or empathy towards your struggles. Anyways, Glad he exists, and glad you manage to keep it together. Its been tough out here lol
Thanks for being one of the few good ones out there.
@womenshouldcookandcleanunp6159 You have no life beyond commenting on random youtube videos you hatewatch.
It’s so disheartening seeing comment after comment saying that Andrew Tate was only trying to help men be stronger and more confident. Nothing Tate ever said was new, it was all recycled BS that can be easily found anywhere online.
My issue is how many people ignore or brush off the comments advocating for violence against women because he made them feel good for a 15 sec tik tok édit. He obviously sees women as objects and investments to earn money from and not human beings. And anyone who thinks they can ignore the violent rhetoric also sees women as a sub-species, it’s just internalized. I can’t believe how easily manipulated his followers are. They all have the same talking points, fall for the same false info and move the goal post to defend this guy.
If you are a fan of his, please be loud and proud about it. That way, women will know not to spend even a minute with you. At least you can do that for us.
I’m a fan of Andrew tate I watch a lot of content for fun unedited and all so if he ever was like yea I punch on hoes I never heard it. He just tells men what they want to here cause idk a lot of guys out there have women problems. My argument for tate is just let him rock out women controlled cable talk shows for years let the men have RUclips
And what’s wrong with talking a women out here money women been doing it to me for years 😂
@@kingpimpskinnypimp5329 I’m sure 😅
It's amazing that some people are still just figuring this out about Tate. A year ago, Thought Slime made a video showing Tate's website & videos to Sophie from Mars. She hadn't heard of him until then, but it was crystal clear from looking at his "webcam business" and how he marketed himself that he was a pimp.
I'm not surprised people are still defending Tate and down playing his actions but it's disturbing as hell. Like wow, some men were really looking up to a possible sex trafficker and that's not even enough for some people to see Tate for who he is.
They probably don't think it's that big of a deal tbh or that it's a little cool how he could be a camgirl pimp.
It's wild to me. I don't get what's so special about this guy that people feel he is worth defending even after the evidence piling up against him.
Even if he somehow were miraculously innocent he's just another cut and paste red pill douchebag just with a funny accent and a cigar.
Kevin Samuels was more memorable to me than Tate ever was. I never got the hype.
The only thing they see is the man they want to be, they see the women, the cars, the money and the "confidence" and that's all they care about
A lot of young men are so angry about not getting the super attractive women they feel they deserve🙄, that they want to place the blame on women.
Tate Validates that anger and as result becomes their hero.
So what Tate said about male loneliness, and women being too promiscuous was wrong?
Honestly I haven't even realized how popular Tate was until recent months and I'm chronically Online most of the time. Before all this I knew as him that guy who made that unintentionally hilarious tweet about never watching Star Wars and becoming a millionaire that became a copypasta. Whenever he was brought up again I went "Hey its the Star Wars guy!". When he got arrested his followers started coming out of hiding on social media and I honestly thought it was baffling because he just comes off as a dork to me. Niggas online really do be looking for the worst role models huh?
Tate got his MLM subscribers to spread clips of him across the internet. Ironically, this has come bite him in the azz because those clips are now being used as evidence against him in court.
In one, he actually describes on a Fresh & Fit podcast how he created this sex trafficking ring, as well as how he would recruit, control and intimidate the girls.
He snitched on himself so many times!
His fan be like “WHERE IS YOUR PROOF” “what color is your Bugatti” “you just jealous “ and etc etc 😂
fr they meat riding andrew sm
I like the System of a Down shirt
As much as I appreciate this channel for Fiq's thoughtful, empathetic commentary, I equally appreciate the community being cultivated. It's always a learning experience for me.
Edit: autocorrect
The compassion and comprehensive replies are blessing for our minds.
@@ishimwe123 Exactly. It's refreshing.
@@ishimwe123 this is the first comment section that doesn’t have me worried for the future of our boys. We have data showing this extreme right wing incel pipeline creates mass shooters. And the amount of young men consuming this blindly is really really scary.
@@bkk1996 Feminism movement is the one to blame. They went so far left. As a result, these young men look for alternative.
Dude THANK YOU for saying this all so blatantly and unapolagetic. You're right that people don't wanna accept how bad the reality is. But we have to in order to try and change things at all.
Thank you for putting the words to what I been feeling. As a black man I know EXACTLY what type of dude Tate is, and that type is eternally corny
You make a valid point about how the algorithm pushes guys like Andrew Tate. It doesn't take much for RUclips to start recommending me manosphere and ant-SJW content. Social media companies know that anger and outrage encourage engagement and thus they implicitly promote such content. Hell, Andrew Tate's scam hinged on this fact with the results speaking for themself.
Although most of my feed consists of debunking manosphere videos, music and other hobby related stuff, even I sometimes get Andrew Tate in my shorts. Although it's always just a repost of some sort and has very few likes.
The a/gor!thm is truly f*cked.
FD listening to his better angels in that last bit there lol. Way to demonstrate positive self-talk!
He's grooming the boys and young men too. "Hustler's University" is a clever name. The dudes perceive it to mean Tate is going to teach them to be a hustler like him but it's funny what a tiny apostrophe can do to change the meaning of a phrase. That's a singular possessive term. It's a 'University' owned and operated by a hustler.
(I shoulda finished the last minute of the vid before posting this but I think what I said above is basically what he was alluding to at the end.)
What can be done? About the boys and men who feel socially isolated and gravitate to negative-attention-getters like Andrew Tate or tucker Carlson etc?
Some of those boys and men have great families and lots of people around them who give them plenty of opportunity to "belong" or have some sort of role they can take pride in, yet many of these boys and men are STILL gravitating towards hateful and dangerous idols.
I don't understand it.
What are we supposed to do?
Since these dudes claim they won't listen to women, get a real nigga who knows better to talk some sense into him then. Someone who is anti-Andrew Tate. From experience, the men who found themselves trying to be aggressive with women never replicated that same aggression when I confronted them.
Fd mentioned that we gotta stop giving simple and empty solutions to a very deep and complex issues affected intellectual curious men
Men who aren't about sex, partying, drinking, men who focus on reading, learning and being outside of the social norms in a healthy way
Especially in the black community men like this are emotionally abandoned even by their "good families" they tend to get told passive aggressive empty statements by both sides and neither attempt to guide them but instead keep them passified
And whenever these men try to venture out and meet people who value them, the so-called family and friends try to love bomb them and gaslight or guilt trip them into not pursuing these people thereby these men won't move or those make it very hard for them to walk away
Therapy isn't the only solution and that's another empty statement, these men need a social group or a physical network of people like them who think like them and therapy to get them to stop focusing on sex and dating and give them healthy alternatives to this
They are lonely and they need help finding friends who physically want to hang out , that's what needs to happen but these men aren't guided that way and in the mental health area , they don't guide enough to make sure these men actually can network to meet friends and have people to physically hang out with and to make sure those who emotionally abandoned them they can learn to tune them out and if they have to , walk away
Anyone who TRULY loves someone, won't get offended or upset if you meet people who generally enjoy their company
My conclusion is dating has been an aspect of life that evolves along side us, you can look at history and see how many cultures treat relations and how it affects them. I personally believe it just may be harder to find love as a man it doesn’t have to be anyone’s fault it just is. Not to sound like men have it harder that’s just an aspect of life women are better at relationships n shit
You can't do anything , these boys and men want to be in touch with their masculinity because they are tired of the LGBTQ bs and feminism
Candice sure didn't feel that way when George Floyd was killed. That woman is always wrong on these issues.
Whatever it takes to trend on twitter. There’s no credibility or dignity left for her.
I like what Jason Wilson does with giving young boys confidence and giving them love and helping them open up. Sure he's religious and maybe not very progressive appearing (i could be wrong), but I love how he treats young men and boys and how he empathize with them. Brings me to tears everytime I see him teaching boys.
Pimpin ain't easy... if you have a shred of humanity within you
It's wild how being civil and not hateful is a disadvantage to building a platform.
"it's got to be because you can do a little more dodgy stuff..."
THAT'S NOT GOOD CANDACE
I'd love it if you did a longer video on Pimp culture. I don't think that's a real term but I don't know what else to call it. I like the Jay-Z song, it's catchy asf, but why did this idea of a pimp become so lauded? I never even thought about it until I started training for a position with CSEC victims. Like, you can just dress as a pimp for Halloween??? The tattooing, I remember that, those microchips they put in your pets, pimp circling, it's super dark shit. Outside of the youth shelter there were guys who would just hang around the gas station across the street just waiting to buy girls cigarettes to start luring them in, within a few months they could have girls recruiting for them inside the shelter
I give up on this woman. Just when you think she can't get any worse she just proves you wrong.
The gift of 2023 is life humbling Andrew Tate.
Trauma literally changes your brain chemistry 😢😢😢 so you don’t have the same capacity to reason as someone who hasn’t been traumatized…
I wouldn't phrase it like that.
Traumatized people are vulnerable, but they aren't children. I don't have "less capacity for reason" because I was absurd as a kid.
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How to tell if its sex work or prostitution: "does she have a boss?" If yes, then its prostitution/exploitation, if no, then its sex work.
Sounds like a good guide for capitalism generally - the labor conditions and relations in sex work will often "just" skew to the even worse.
@@jeffengel2607 So if you have a boss, it's exploitation? How does that work?
@@ty194 You do the work; the management does nearly no work; the owners (as owners) do no work; they get the resulting money; you get a small fraction of it.
@@jeffengel2607 Not sure what business you're talking about where the management does nearly no work, but I've never worked for a company where that's the case and as for the owners, they take all the risk and a lot of them work all the hours god gives. You can try starting a successful business if you like and see if you're just sitting back collecting cheques all day. I assure you it's nowhere near that.
@@jeffengel2607 the majority of women crushing it on onlyfans have a management team (men) behind them. Let’s not be naive
Loved this video! The title made scream on the street “EXACTLY!!” . Also the Kevin- Jason mix up made me laugh so hard 😂
I had no idea Tate made them all get tattoos
At least a couple of them.
By saying he MADE them you are saying that those women are children with no agency who just bend to the whim of a man. I happen to hold women in a much higher regard than that. A grown up cannot be manipulated or coerced into doing something they don't want to do. Those women got those tattoos by choice. Nobody forced them to do anything. Stop treating women like children when it's convenient for your narrative
There is no such thing as Stockholm syndrome. It's a stupid term made up by some dumb psychology PhD to remove accountability from a person when it's convenient
Did much worse than just that if you do the supplemental reading.
I think there's more to Jason Wilson's lack of popularity than "It's the youtube algo that's promoting mysoginy". I respect Jason Wilson, he's a bigger man that Andrew Tate can ever be.
Let me explain. The RUclips algorithm, works in a relatively simple way. It promotes content that is already popular. As in, the more views a video has, the more promoted it will be. It has nothing to do with the contents of the video.
So then, we have to ask ourselves, why are Tate's videos promoted while Wilson's are not? It's simple, Tate is using ages old tactic used by media companies all around the world. He shocks people, he makes people outrage. Negativity sells. He's confident, cocky, outspoken. People watch that, people are drawn to that. Wilson on the other hand is a soft spoken, kind man.
I wish things were different, but people are people, they prefer to watch a cocky dude talk nonsense than a wise man talk kindly.
Facts man feel like you’re the only one that gets it here lol
Tate literally got cancelled from all social media platforms including RUclips. What more do you think they should have done?
Thank you for being a positive male figure - your voice is desperately needed.
RUclips 3 days ago recommended me a short by Jason Wilson where his son failed to break a board during Martial Arts training. It was so wholesome it had me chocked up about to cry. I'm honestly struggling not to cry right now thinking about it.
Klandace Owens with another bad take. In other breaking news, water is wet.
Yea no matter how you slice it, it's hard to be an ethical pimp.
If you're literally pimping other people, that's unethical.
If you just mean affecting a style, whatever.
What do you mean?
@@grmpEqweer What do you mean? What's the difference between a pimp and a manager? Don't they share the same function and managers are accepted as ethical generally in public discourse
@@TheDCbiz ones a sex trafficker who systematically break people mentally (especially woman, little girls, but also little boys and men too), rapes them , given heroin to keep them in line so they won’t, leave, and then sells them to the highest bidder repeatedly until that person loses their usefulness and the next person gets trafficked
they are either kidnapped and forced to have sex or they take people who have literally nowhere else to go due to a capitalist society therefore there really is no consent in that
the other is a manager who manages a job
plz stop acting like these two are equivalently the same things
@@TheDCbiz i think it's the distinct nature of the vulnerability of sex workers that makes it different.
If she doesn’t know and she’s taking a “guess” then she probably shouldn’t be speaking publicly about it.
I'm an almost 30 black male who's had depression and only ever had one gf (not together anymore) and I think years ago I was falling down the anti-SJW/manosphere hole and I really think, had things gone a little differently, I'd have ended up there because it's validating to hear - when romance and sex don't go your way - that there's a perfect type of man you need to be or you can jedi mind trick women into wanting to be with you. I think it was weirdly Bernie and the rise of other lefty figures who kinda helped me come into my own as a lefty and recontextualize my experiences in a much more positive and conscious way. Still not doing great with romance or anything but the anger that was there in the past has been reworked to something much healthier and appropriate, I think.
Idk bro. I love the rage its fuel ⛽. It helped me.
Same except I came back to the content i now watch all content pro sjw anti sjw pro women to fresh and fit I’ve come to the conclusion there’s little truths in all these platforms truly doesn’t change the fact there’s a lot of lies. I’d say Ian doing too bad in the women’s department I still can sit through an hour of fresh and fit
It goes both ways ik niggas that get no hoes that love the manosphere ik niggas in the same exact boat that don’t ts don’t matter you can be Andrew tates biggest fan and fuck models (adin Ross)
I am glad that you moved away from that. Touch some grass, meet new people and cultivate friendship (especially with women).
Because
A. They are people too, you can just be friends with them
B. You might learn something about them
C. These women might introduce you to someone you'll like.
I wish you all the very best.
What you said the beginning is so true about them hating only fans and go so hard about it is because these women being on only fans allows them to keep all of the profit and not have to give the money to their abuser aka the pimp.
Exactly, OnlyFans and Covid actually empowered and saved alot of people working in sex work from this type of exploitation…also Tate’s recordings left me speechless
What I find interesting is that I don’t think most people who defend him share the same beliefs as him. They defend him without question and extreme conviction like he’s a cult leader. His BASIC life advice helped has helped people and they want to defend the person who changed their life. I don’t know if that’s better or worse 😅
What has he helped them to do exactly? To come on social media and defend the indefensible? Because that's all he's been doing. So, he's only taught them to identify with him, instead of being individuated from him. So much for agency.
The proper term for a Nazi sympathizer is "Nazi".
Maybe not everyone who is defending Andrew Tate is EXACTLY as twisted as he is, but like with Republicans and the Alt-Right, they are on the same spectrum. Nobody gets to any political position overnight; Tate was presumably not always the way he is, but the world shaped him just like it does the rest of us. And people who defend him are now recreating the environment he emerged from. Perhaps subtly, perhaps incrementally, but undeniably.
this is VERY true. My younger brother, who is for the most part a nice kid, literally told me Andrew Tate helped him get out of a deep depression. It’s a cognitive dissonance. They psychologically can’t accept that the person who “saved” them is a horrible person. It’s deeply psychological
@@commandery3574 It's because your younger brother found a purpose from some of the more useful things he's said. Sometimes you have to separate the person from the message and he might see that Tate is overall a "horrible" person, that in no way means that your brother is horrible or will become that way. As long as he knows not to hero worship, he will be fine and you should be celebrating the fact that he managed to pull himself out of a deep depression over anything else - people commit suicide over that.
...You're right, his basic life advice is very BASIC. And I have had a couple guys tell me that Andrew Tate has given them positive life advice and when they tell me what it is, I realize that it's been said before with other motivational speakers. Andrew Tate is using common advice, he is not saying something new or revealing. But his fans act like he is, which shows me they are naive and gullible.
Finally a man who explaines it as it is. Thank you.
this is a good video. I hope enough people see this and get the point.
From the bottom of my heart, thank you for your work with trafficking victims. ❤️ From Australia 🐨
"Maybe in Romania doing whatever he was doing was legal." Maybe not considering he was arrested by Romanian authorities? wtf
Thank youuuuuuu. Ugh I love to hear this narrative. I try and tell people u can have a manager as a s.w that's fine. A pimp is not a manager not a body gaurd he's taking all ur money he's controlling ur moves its a pimp situation.
I often thought he was a sociopathic gynophobe.
I share Jason O Wilson with so many homeboys but the Joe Buddens of the world have their ear. Whole marital struggles and you're inundating yourself with drivel
Joe Budden sunk his own career being a violently self-defeating narcissist. That fact he has a hugely successful podcast is another incitement on the intelligence of humans.
@jameschatman4196 indictment is the word not incitement. And unfortunately we live in an attention economy. Budden makes great use of it.
Thank you, I was freaking saying basically this and got called a bitter toxic bw. I can't believe that people can be so blind, it honestly gives me a headache.
Thank you for the Jason Wilson recommendation. The internet could use more references to positive influences.
The sad part is when recordings of Tate admitting this, I saw Black men saying that's a AI recording/voice modulation so there are some folks that just cannot be saved.
It's good to have role models like this on RUclips.
This was made seven months ago and with all the recent revelations about the Tate brothers it is the absolute most concise and accurate description of the situation
It's true that the manosphere speaks to young men, but to what end? Is it offering them a better life or a better life under patriarchy (the thing that's contributing to their unhappiness)?
From what I can tell is the only thing it gives them is a lighter wallet and an easy target. done of them get a little temporary success by useing the pua sh1t in clubs but it mostly just gives them a target for their anger.
They provide a fantasy. The idea that if you just do this one thing you’ll make millions like I do!
@@TheSkaOreono the guy above got it right
@@strayiggytv exactly men all fucked up na n days anyway let them have someone to vent to
I feel as if Andrew just lives the young male revenge fantasy for all the incels out there and i unironically don’t think it’s a bad thing
SOAD shirt and an informative video, got a sub from man, keep it up! :D
Seriously though, I saw that Playboy documentary series and Hefner was a f***ing *DEMON.*
It's bad enough that he started his empire by jeopardizing Marilyn Monroe's career without her consent, but the person he was allowed to turn into after his success is beyond redemption.
Me sitting at my desk trying to get back to my music but then there's a new FD video
I get a lot of comparisons to Candace Owen's and I hate it. Because she's a grifter to the same degree as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, just for the opposite party. She's a hypocrite too. Always telling women rheyd be happier at home with their husband and kids...while she had her Uber rich husband relocate to the US for her career and worked through both her pregnancies. I'm so tired of the internet personalities
Thanks for the shoutout to Jason Wilson I’ve been looking for a self help figure without all the extra drama
Great video! hope it gets loads of exposure cause people can learn a lot from this
I’ve said this before on here. I would’ve easily fallen down that pipe line had I not known the love of a amazing woman. While I do agree with more than a few beliefs of the manosphere. I couldn’t reconcile those feelings I have that was returned to me from the woman I was with. Though I’m no longer with her. I can’t walk around saying all women are like such and such when I experience something different.
Not all corners of the manosphere keep talking about women all of the time. That's a stereotype from people who watch a few controversial clips and think that's what it's all about and it's not.
@@kelsiekraft5714 You've done no such thing - the only liar in here is you.
@@ty194 Here’s the problem even if I tried to grant you that. Every figure head of the Manosphere talks down on women. Fresh & Fit, Sneako, Andrew Tate, Just Pearly things. I can go on and on. You can probably name like some middle of the road as far as subscribers group who doesn’t do it. However in large part the manosphere has chosen to prop up the best examples of toxic rhetoric towards women.
@@kelsiekraft5714 umm 🤔 never said I be abusing women. In fact I quite clearly said it’s easy to fall into the pipe line. Which means believing in their BS it doesn’t necessarily correlate to that. Hurt people don’t want to feel like it’s their fault. That’s why incels in the like attached themselves to the manosphere. Self improvement is hard blaming others is easy especially when you are given a reason. The reason doesn’t even have to make sense. The manosphere just grants validation to that mindset that it’s not you it’s them.
@@ShunJ89 I understand that those people are the ones with the most subscribers and therefore the have the biggest channels, but they are all Johnny-come-latelys. Pearly is weird to me - a woman speaking on men's issues and marriage, who doesn't have a husband, never been married, or long term relationship and doesn't have children, I mean how long does that grift last? I guess until she drifts into that "unmarriageable" age group which isn't that far away, then people will point the finger at her saying that her way doesn't work either so why listen to her? The weirdest part is that so many men sit down and listen to her.
Fresh n Fit's main show is just toxic for any man to look at long term. Anyone who sits down on a daily basis to watch groups of women getting dunked on is always going to be problematic. That's not a healthy interaction between men and women and is not a good influence for young men growing up. Young, clout chasing Miami chicks are not representative of all women. I've met very few women like that and wouldn't even interact with that type for more than 5 minutes.
I've barely watched any of Sneako's content, but he just comes across as someone who's just irritating and a bandwagon jumper. It puzzles me why anyone takes him seriously - I mean, what does he actually do?
And as for Andrew Tate, he comes across as this massive troll and sometimes he can articulate himself really well and hold his own in a debate with anyone, but man this guy lacks so much integrity it's not even funny. I mean the foundation of his wealth is built on exploitation of women and men, but pretty much says it doesn't matter as long as you get rich. He admits to breaking and evading the law on camera and then goes and acts like he's converted to Islam and lives nothing like a Muslim. He drinks, he fornicates, is unmarried, swears like a drunken sailor, gets money through morally bankrupt means. And do you know what one of the worst things about him that he teaches young men to be? Reckless. Men cannot be reckless. You will face the consequences.
That was a long soapbox session and I apologise for that, but I wouldn't follow any of these people. They rose to prominence in the last year fnf aside and the "manosphere" is older than that. Hell Andrew Tate only blew up because of the coordinated cancellation of him, otherwise you probably wouldn't even know who he is.
I agree a black men like Jason Wilson have a harder time going viral because negativity sells