Why I haven't talked about Kyrie and Kanye
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Every black leftist thought leader was either assassinated, exiled, arrested, bought, or drowned out
They left us with black conservative thinkers, black capitalists, and populist faking grifters that care more about getting to the bag than the culture.
But when black conservative thinkers are willing to work with black leftists there's division. Meanwhile WS continues over both. And anti-jew has been thrown around to isolate black revolutionaries from the rest of our community who are so financial dependent on Jewish appeasement and general non Jew white appeasement.
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White ones haven't faired very well either. There's a long history of leftist getting killed in this country back to before the first world war. A lot of folks were able to be bought and gave up the fight, but plenty lost their lives fighting for so many of the labor protections that have been under assault for the last several decades. We need solidarity, a revitalization, and mobilization of the movement.
@@joshv.1490 such as? What white leftists haven't faired well? Isn't Chomsky an American leftist?
How do we have solidarity when we can't have open and honest dialogue to work through our differences? Example is the truckers against anti-vax. Many so called leftists on social media shit on them instead of having a dialogue with them to work through differences. Richard Wolf spoke to this too how the left shouldn't toss them aside instead of recruiting them to build up a labor revolution. Female workers have metoo which is part of interesctionality that must be addressed along with migrant worker concerns and black worker concerns like Ye talks about with contracts that stop ownership over what black labor creates for these corporations. Etc. Etc. Etc. We gotta have open dialogues to work through all these greivances.
How can we have revitalization with solidarity, no way to get everyone on the same page if we are all arguing with each other remaining divided.
And mobilization towards what? Mobilize to do what? A general strike to do a list of demands?
@@Thed538dhsk I don't see how citing a leftist author and professor (Chomsky or Wolfe) and their career successes is somehow supposed to negate the lost lives of leftist activists dating back to the Palmer raids. The exceptions don't negate the rule.
I'd agree with professor Wolfe's perspective, but I'm not going to pretend it's easy to change the hearts and minds still under the sway of capitalist propaganda and a culture that eagerly radicalizes and exploits such people to it's end. You might as well ask me how we recruit the folks from the 6th, and I'd say they definitely have the discontent to make ideal partners (though their misplaced rage would make that a dangerous endeavor).
Strikes, yes! Running, yes! Having these conversations, and not just in echo chambers. Being able to restore people's hopes and objectives by painting a future worth fighting for. Hopefully we can eventually achieve a more direct means of democracy and achieve systemic changes in an equitable fashion.
I thoughts the points about how criticism of black conservatives rapidly devolves into criticism of their blackness were very well put. I had always been pretty hesitant to engage with a lot of videos that go this route but I haven’t heard it articulated as well as in this video. FD still the goat of RUclips.
Its why you don’t debate the likes of Candace Owens. Especially if you’re a white liberal.
He articulated it perfectly, very professional.
this idea of not criticising conservatives just because they are black is an issue that in the usa is more political because class consciousness is clearly racialised.
the nature of being a white supremacist cultural identity and ideology. the idea that in the usa all people are embarrassed millionaires.
That sentence was genius. I've been trying to think of this sentence for year
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As a white viewer here I actually appreciate that your work is not centering white people from an educational format. I specifically come here to get an understanding of inter black community discourse to get a frame of refrence I usually would not have access to. I see what youre doing and its excellent.
Exactly why I came here. I’m mixed but grew up in a primarily white community. I don’t want to be pandered to as a white person. I want to hear what the community is actually talking about and cares about
I come here because FD is dope and he's teaching me stuff I would never learn anywhere else.
I'm not looking for black content to understand black culture, it's just interesting and useful to help me understand the world, myself, other people. It's just good to know about other people.
Helps that FD is a dope content creator, too. I'm just glad he's doing what he does and that I can expand my understand of the world bit by bit.
Shoot em a banana
@@Pensnmusiche’s not really Black. He’s a suburban black. For him to think Black people define themselves by liberal and conservative shows how out of touch he is. There are many liberal Democrats who share kyries views. In fact many people who hated Ye in the past have rooted for him in this issue. That’s why dude is stutter so much because he is scared of being authentic. I’ve been saying this about him.
@@davruck1 it sounds like you could be making a point, but that's a dumb way to say it.
My pops was a black conservative. I grew up being called a "peace living liberal" like that's a bad thing. Became politically aware in high school and college and aligned as a Anarcho-Socialist but I add "Black" in front bcz racism surely exists on the far left too
Your pops was probably lucky enough to only look at the nonsocial aspects of conservative discourse, did he have a decent-very good job or some other "advantage"? Like .... Did he have something that leaned him that way?
Just realized that my editor put Toure' instead kd Kwame Ture...🫠
Please do a sequel on that, it’s really tiring to see bad takes by non black people on Kanye’s state and the larger politics behind his antisemitism. Huge fan of your work ❤
Imo, talking about conservative conspiracy theories and how they target and impact Indigenous Americans and Jewish people would probably be a more useful conversation...than Kanye or any one individual.
Thank you for covering this, I’ve seen an alarming amount of black creators on tiktok agreeing with Kanye and Kyrie
Not surprising honestly. Lot of factors that play into that
A lot of black folks agree with them and it’s like it’s disrespectful to black Jews because they’re often disrespected within the Jewish community because of their race. And it’s like how would black folks feel if a major non black celebrity denied slavery?
Same. In my personal life as well. It’s really disturbing
It is wild to me, because the reason they wanna be the chosen people so bad is for the exact same reasons they have an issue with those who colonized us, and the effects of systemic oppression. When you believe u are chosen by a higher power, it becomes much easier to dehumanize those u view as unchosen. It is the same mindset as manifest destiny and the WMs Burden that led europeans to lose their humanity conquering the world, and it is the exact same mentality that has led to apartheid in Palestine. The minute u wanna be a chosen people, there has to be a group u see yourself as chosen over, and u VERY quickly begin to use that chosen status to justify harm. And if u don't believe me, look up the number of hebrew israelites who have harmed others, including their women and children, in the belief that they are burdened with being chosen.
I also dont get what they want everyone to do once they have told ppl they're the real chosen people. Ok... so we know. What happens next? It's just such reactionary bs
I don't think we're defending them. I certainly am not. But I don't see how "antisemitism" trumps anti black racism in 2022. White Jews aren't marginalized today, they don't need any defending from black people. In fact, European Jews are actively oppressing black Americans, Africans, Ethiopian Jews and Palestinians.
Talking about the Noah Samson stuff had me geeking, because I knew actually how she was gonna respond to it. I was watching his video like "nooooooooooo Noah don't do it." And she absolutely did it.
Thank you for your work and promoting black voices. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate getting a chance to learn and see more about the world.
Whew brother… the way MLK was turned into an animated Disney character is crazy. I, myself, didn’t learn about his views on the American economic landscape and Universal Basic Income until high school. Afterwards, I went to one of the top universities in the world and I don’t think Black Liberal revolutionaries from the mid 20th century were discussed in my core coursework the entire time I was working on my degree.
Loved this! I think it’s also important to point out that this censorship or exclusion of black radicals by the algorithm is carried on from an already existing tradition of silencing those voices. Many of those people have spent 40-50 years in prison or are still sitting in prison today.
It’s so funny you mentioned Noah because my thoughts were “why is he talking about this black girl?” I know he’s apart of the crew but it didn’t feel right. But if it was a black woman calling her out I wouldn’t have felt this way because I know that race and gender dynamics aren’t a factor. I’m so use to defending and feeling protective over black women when (especially white men) people come for us. Nothing against Noah (he has great videos and I actually agree with him because she was spewing nonsense) but my initial reaction was to defend her. Just being honest.
I'm a black leftist and I actually agree with that girl. I think it's time we had our own characters. I don't see how that is a trash take? So we are supposed to keep swapping races with every damn white character from the past? I honestly think y'all are putting your politics ABOVE the issue here. So what the girl is not politically aligned with us....she raises an interesting point. I'm standing with the black girl on this....
I became a Noah subbie after her response video to him. I never stood with her.
For the algorithm. Always appreciate your nuanced thoughts
I think you might wind up talking about Kayne again real soon.
Oh man, hearing that you're talking to Lady Knight the Brave is super exciting, that's such a great mix of worthwhile thinkers!
At least imo, I’m not looking for you to be making videos for white people. I engage with your material in the same way I engage with say, Kat Blaque’s videos. She makes videos explaining being trans, polyamorous, into BDSM, Blackness, etc. and (mostly) discussed issues publicly that are in-community conversations - conversations I wouldn’t ever, ever be in the room for. But being a fly on the wall of those conversations a. broadens my understanding of people I don’t have the opportunity to meet in in real life but, and more importantly, b. allows me to grasp nuance of something so outside of my personal understanding of reality because the conversation isn’t tailored to me.
So yeah, I love your channel, vibes, etc. because it is hugely valuable & appreciated.
That's good you're open-minded.
I had a Matt Walsh video recommended to me and I flipped the fuck out….had a whole conversation with my phone like “excuuuuuse me??”
Love your content bro...discovered you just the other day. Smart brother. Don't agree with everything, but cannot your fault your analysis.
You probably noticed that the young woman who criticized Noah is African British, and her father is South African and I believe her mother is Zimbabwean.
I mention all this because I wonder if you have ever done anything on the different perspectives on race and racism in the Black diaspora.
I just found this young woman on RUclips a week or so, and I thought her on issues not related to race were very intelligent, and she seemed to do some research. But there seemed to be a blind spot when it came to acknowledging racism.
When I thought about it, though, I have heard similar views from young Black people who have been welcomed in white spaces and Black people who are not American, including those from the UK and the Caribbean.
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this - or being directed to one of your videos if you have already done something on this.
Yessss you finally got your audio together.
Purely by accident I promise
So real for being this transparent in this video.
It’s really reminding me of the live that Kat Blaque just had about having to answer for “bad trans people”
i can't believe i just got his name.... Consciously. omg wow. I've been watching his stuff for 6 months.
Aw bruh! You gotta get Sam Arnow for that vid, man!
Dude's gonna have a fascinating take
Im a white man who enjoys your content and also listens to Destiny (we aren't all toxic), and who's best friend is a Hebrew Israelite. And most of my friends are pro Kyrie and Kanye. I don't want to see you dunk on anyone, or go bloodsports. Im here for the nuance. And I'm excited for the video.
I agree with you that overall black conservatives are not as big as white conservatives. But I do see at least in my personal circle more and more people leaning right especially young people. I do try and push your content more because the algorithm won't. But one thing I hear more to them often is that they think there's truth in the ideologies of Kanye and Kyrie because the white establishment won't let anyone talk about it.
While it should never be your responsibility to speak on this I do know that it will do a lot of good.
Continue your work. Stay strong and I hope for growth in both your channel and your personal life
I am brown and I am here 😅 and I have been binging on your videos. Brown female btw. Much love to you and Thankyou for doing what you do.
It's not your responsibility to do shit, you're just one human, you have a responsibility to live your life to the best of your ability but that's about it. Idk who's making you feel pressured like you need to rush yourself or your process. But I'm just grateful to be here and grateful that you exist and grateful that you feel inspired to share with us and do and say what you do.
Btw I'm white and I guess a "leftist", that label is a broad term for a lot of shit. So my beliefs are for true freedom for all and true genuine real truth and we for people to love, be loved, and love with eachother. I've been here since before the Bo Burnam video and I'll be here after. I don't watch your videos to be pandered to, I watch your videos to take in a different perspective and to try and learn when I can and becauseI like your vibes.
It sucks that you've gotta keep your head on a swivel and constantly juggle your intention against countless possible interpretations, but I so appreciate your awareness of who's watching.
That point about leftism being disengaged from the working class is critical. IMO it's because everyone BUT the intellectuals were stamped out. Modern leftism resides entirely within the language of academia, that the working class is gatekept from. So long as we keep quoting theory like dogma, or invent more and more niche words, we will fail. If you aren't speaking and writing colloquial, you're part of the problem. This isn't anti-intellectualism, it's the reality that the majority of people are just not speaking the same language as academic intellectuals. Learn to translate.
Hey dude, I appreciate how thoughtful you are and how you carry yourself. I am excited everytime I watch a video because it's a little more growth. More things to think about. You know what I cream dog? Have a good day dude
I am an African Jewish woman. RUclips keeps deleting this comment and I don't know which part of my comment is being flagged so I'm gonna try again bit by bit
When you do eventually come around to doing a video on antisemitism, I would love for you to include (either in your research or in the video itself) the voice of a Black Jewish woman named Rebecca Pierce
And another Black Jewish woman named Rachel Khan
And another Black Jewish woman named Shekheyinah
And I also recommend reading Ella Shohat's (an Iraqi Jewish woman) very short and very interesting essay "Zionism from the standpoint of its Jewish victims". You can find it online easily
Ok so now I found out which was the bit youtube was censoring- it was my recommendation of listening to a Black Jewish man named Yirmiyahu Eliyah
Keen to see you and Lady Knight the Brave collaboration on this
at about 29 minutes, you say "oh that's so embarrassing" and it sounds just like the "jack in the box cheesecake skit" from soul on ice
thanks for that
i’m a white dude and what i want from you, what I already get from you, is analysis and commentary on whatever, from a Black perspective, and most importantly, it never feels like you’re packaging your content for consumption by white people. I want to “be in community with Black people” and I don’t feel like I’m getting an analysis dressed up for consumption by white people
edit: I wrote this before your point at 13:00
At this point I am honestly curious if you have anything to say about the recent mass spike in Kanye's rhetoric, or specifically his recent partnership with Nick Fuentes and Milo Yianoppolis (ik I misspelled that, oh well) who are clearly latching onto him as a useful idiot. I'm curious not because I want the next Kanye takedown video, but because of the situation that Kanye has put himself in. Like, of by some miracle Ye becomes president, I'm convinced he'd be assassinated by his own campaign within 6 months so the vice president, like Hitler's literal clone or smtn, becomes president
I'm worried we're not just seeing someone spiral harder than a tornado, but also seeing people actively steering the plane into a volcano for their own benefit.
I actually met some Black Hammer canvasers in Chicago 2021, they were handing out N-whatevernumber masks during COVID.
But I tuned in to a few of their streams, and they always gave me big Black Church performance vibes, and that rubbed me the wrong way
This is just my opinion but I think you are being pressured to talk about Kyrie and Kanye because white people who are trying their best to be woke are looking to you to give them the nuanced take on them that they KNOW they don't have the basis for. They're looking for validation that they can criticise these guys without crossing that line into being "bad" outsiders.
LK/FD crossover got me so excited goddamn
Black hammer sounds like some shit a Russian bot made up
I think it’s important for all types of hate to be addressed because when people with big platforms spread it, people watching them can start to genuinely believe it. Grift or not it still spreads misinformation. It’s still dangerous.
Catching up on some videos I had in my watchlist for awhile and I so appreciate your thoughts. I don't know if this is the way to go about it, I know I heard it somewhere online: when it comes to conservatives of color, I leave most criticisms to their own communities. I know as a white woman, by criticizing these people, at best I'd come off racist, at worst I'd validate another white person's racism. One place I'm flying blindfolded is, I have older white relatives who see Candace Owens speaking her regressive, anti-black views and validating their own regressive, anti-black views. I got bombarded with this one video of her lukewarm take immediately after George Floyd. The best I could do was explicitly and only criticise the things she was saying, not her character or her career or anything else personal, to avoid making it out like I was going after a black woman for being a black woman. I'll look through the comments and see if anyone else knows how/if to handle this specific situation.
I really appreciate you taking the time to develop a context around antisemitism rather than just wading in.
Omg I love this. I just researched Tee noir on RUclips and just after they suggested me Candace owens. To the RUclips algorithm Candace and Tee are two black women discussing politics so they are the same
Revolutionaries have always been educators.
"That's me all 2023" 🤣🤣🤣 my sides
there's an avenue to curiosity about black antisemitism that doesn't go through the neighborhood of believing it's prevalent or a growing threat. moreso it comes from just the purely baffling circumstance that must lead to it, and a total lack of context for what in the african american experience even leaves any room for it, even on a fringe level. i struggle to come up with an apt analogy to what it looks like from the POV of a white/jewish person, but perhaps it's something like learning that there's a contingent of very white jews who think they're actually japanese and also hate japanese people. how that happens, and why it has traction with more than a single person is something worth dissecting, and something that if dissected on youtube would draw a lot of viewers who don't immediately assume all jews or even a large number of jews think this way.
Black Hebrew Israelite rhetoric that claims "Black people are the real Jews" stems from a deep wound. The desire to claim that Black Americans descend from kings and queens and prophets and emperors and are worthy of God's love, in order to recover the dignity and lineage that was stolen from their people when the slave trade severed their roots to the motherland. Aimé Césaire actually talks about that in one of his poems. Also because white supremacy has historically used Christianity and the Bible to oppress Black people, by representing God as an old white man and Jesus as a young white man, this is a complete spiritual erasure of Black people. When Christianity paints Adam and Eve as white people, and says God created man in His image, then it also denies Black people's humanity. Some of the early Spanish colonizers of the Americas claimed that Black people didn't have souls and therefore it was ok to enslave them. So when Black people claim they are "God's chosen people", it's a narrative that subverts this white supremacist religious violence that was inflicted upon them, of denying their connection to God. Also the story of the Hebrews escaping slavery from Pharoahs is a powerful tale of liberation that resonates deeply with African American history. As an African Jewish woman, I understand this need to search for your roots because, although I'm not Black, I went through a similar (but of course different) quest for my African identity that was stolen from me by European colonialism. My father is Tunisian-Algerian Jewish and he was forced to migrate to Europe as a child and was forced to assimilate into white European culture, and raise his children into white European culture. At some point in my life I started looking for ways to reconnect with my North African roots and I had to invent a kind of mythological ancestry for myself because unfortunately it's hard to trace who my actual ancestors were, what language they spoke etc. So I really understand this need to know who "your people" were, and to manipulate/fabricate history in order to reclaim your narrative and tell your story in a way that feels right to you and allows you to overcome the trauma. By saying you are not a descendant of slaves but a descendant of kings and prophets, you restore dignity.
However this whole thing of claiming Hebrew ancestry, or claiming to be "Kemites" /descendents of Ancient Egyptians/Pharoahs etc, is also attached to some antiBlackness and "respectability politics". Instead of claiming the very admirable and powerful histories of their actual Black ancestors from West Africa, they choose to claim histories of people who were not actually Black, as if being Black wasn't good enough. Why not claim to be descended from Mansa Musa? Queen Nzinga? Queen Sarraounia of Niger? Etc... But instead claim to be descended from people who were not Black. So it has some internalized antiBlackness.
You also don't need to descend from kings and emperors to be noble and dignified. Everyday people are worthy and valuable and they're heroes worth claiming too. Being a descendant of very admirable Black Africans who managed to survive and resist through enslavement is admirable and worth claiming too. But of course white supremacy doesn't teach you the history of enslaved people's resistance and revolts and solidarity (hence Kanye West saying it was a choice). so people become ashamed of the history of slavery, they can't find pride in it, and they try to invent a different narrative to attach themselves to. And lastly why claim colonizers religions instead of indigenous West African religions? Neither Judaism nor Christianity, nor Islam are actually indigenous to West Africa. All three religions arrived in West Africa at different times through conversion (sometimes through forced and violent imposition, other times through migration and peaceful cultural/economic interactions or through voluntary conversions). There are native West African religions such as the Yoruba/Isese religion, the Maguzanci/Bori religion, the Dogon religion, the Serer/a fat Roog religion etc. If you wanna really get to know the motherland and the ancestors and engage deeply and meaningfully in Panafricanism, it would be more valuable and "anticolonial" to actually get to know these religions.
@@Yryyyys thank you for this. how, though, does the black israelite belief lead into trading in very european antisemitic tropes and stereotypes? or are these just separate strains of conspiratorial thinking that intertwine for no specific reason other than that if you've already given up rationality for one conspiracy, it's easier to do it again for others? (such as happens with Qanon believers)
@@antimatterhorn European antisemitism is linked to white supremacy. Some Black Hebrew Israelites repeat European antisemitic tropes because these tropes circulate and have been circulating outside of Europe for decades. The people who hold these beliefs don't exist in a vacuum, they were fed the same white supremacist nonsense that we have all been fed. They bought into antisemitic tropes because they were exposed to them and didn't question them. If you wanna claim "Black people are the real Jews", you have to start claiming the other Jews are "fake Jews". So you start looking for theories that could fit that narrative. And if you look up anything related to Jews online you end up in very ugly corners of the internet
Dawg… I got a prager u ad on this video…
Ladyknightthebrave is one of my favorites.
And I also recommend listening to another Black Jewish woman named Rachel Khan
Look at Rev. William Barber and The Poor People's campaign. We know we need some type of Socialism for "Needs" (food, shelter), but can keep Capitalism for "Wants" (PS5, collectible.)
And thank you for this video, I'm going to show this to my family.
I'm a white leftist and I do like watching your videos even if at times I disagree with some of the finer points. I see your point about how to address criticism black conservative voices about dipping into anti black rhetoric. It's something that I need to work on. I think I'm relatively alright at not dipping into it but I'm also a white dude so I have privilege that sometimes might make me not notice it. I do agree that the left over all should focus on voices like Tucker Carlson and Matt Walsh more and we should lift up more non-white voices to address the issues in their community of reactionaries.
TL;DR we need more black voices in leftist spaces and deal with those in power more and not focus on the few black reactionary people as much.
SnappyDragon has been a cool channel for Jewish/Judaism education for me too, as well as LadyKnight.
I was married to a white woman and we were on a bus in the Bronx. She saw the Black Israelites for the first time. I said don't catch their eye. The bus was just sitting there, unfortunately she did catch the eye of the guy ranting about the white devil on his soap box and he started to place his blame on her. I moved into her seat looked at him and said move on we don't want your hate and then faced forward while he yelled about me being a traitor until the bus pulled off
Ok the Elon pic was just evil. Love it
Still got a "What Is a Woman" ad for this video. 🙃
I’m a Jewish woman and antisemitism has steadily become more and more brazen since 2015. Unite the Right was a major kick off, hate crime statistics have consistently shown for decades that Jews are the most targeted minority religious group, while black are the most targeted racial group.
There’s also NO conversation about antisemitism from the black community… which has been increasing since 2019. In 2019 there was a major uptick in black youths violently targeting visibly Jewish people in NYC on the subway and on the street.
The NJ Kosher Supermarket shooting was carried out by a Black Hebrew Israelite and the rhetoric coming from Black Hebrew Israelites and the Nation of Islam has essentially been incitement for decades.
I understand that Jews are 2% of the US population and we don’t face the same systemic issues as other minority groups because the majority of us in the States are white/white passing, but we’ve been enduring increasing violence for years and no one likes to talk about it publicly. We don’t face the same issues from the police and we’re stereotyped as having money or generational wealth. We also have our own forms racism in our communities, but None of those thing cancel out that THERE IS A HUGE PROBLEM.
Moreover there’s a ton of antisemitism in leftist movements, for a variety of reasons, whereas the right is antisemitic in a more “classic” manner.
And the weirdest part is the pro-Israel sentiment increasing at the same time as the anti-Jewish sentiment, so it seems like those two opinions “off set” each other, but they really don’t.
It would be relieving is SOMEONE other than the ADL or other Jewish groups could at least acknowledge that this happening.
Yeah, I'm a young black dude from NYC, and honestly FD talking about antisemitism being a fringe thing in the black community made me cringe a bit, and made me wonder if this was the black tendency to circle the wagon to protect our own or the community coming from him. There has definitely been a uptick in antisemitic violence though how much by members of the black community I'm not sure and won't speak on because I don't have the statistics. With that said my personal experience is that people in the black communities feelings on Jews are ambivalent at the best of times, at least here in New York, especially on the subject of Jewish wealth, actual or perceived. That's not even getting into the fact that to a lot of black folk, again in my experience, Jewish ppl are just white. This is just my personal experience but it's definitely something to take seriously and more conversation should be had on this.
@@KiraDaBeastNY I hear the same thing over and over again form Black influencers "I don't know much about this group of people, and I am not really invested enough to learn" - I'd be happy if someone WANTS that conversation, but it doesn't seem like many people do.
How do you feel about the movie the jazz singer
@@donvaughn5ify I haven’t seen it and have no idea about the plot.
@@samiam2088 birth of a nation
You don't owe us an answer and you don't owe us your voice every time a news story breaks. I tune in to for your perspective on topics that you have decided you should speak on, I assume because you're motivated enough to put effort and care into the work. Don't fall into the trap that other RUclipsrs have where they need the immediate "reaction" to, oh let's just say the Chris Rock slap. Someone's always gonna get slapped. Reminds me of how South Park fell into this trap and the show isn't as funny because you know they're trying to force a unique perspective on a topic or event that we haven't even fully digested yet. All you really need to say is "Fuck Kanye and fuck Chappelle for validating suspicion Kanye's about Jews the same 'subtle' way (certain political figures in the 1930s in Germany) did."
I am a white man living in a very white region of the USA. I'm here to listen and learn more about a culture that would otherwise be inaccessible to me. When my kids have questions I hope to have a more informed answer for them than was given to me at their age.
W white guy
you have come to the right place. and congratulations, because the internet is vast and there's a lot of bullshit out here. but this channel is thorough and honest.
My friend and neighbor has unveiled more manosphere ideologies over time but also we met through me teaching them about being non binary and they were receptive. Now with this resurgence and the backlash against the manosphere he’s sharing Kanye, Kyrie and even Tate now going on saying people going by “they” are crazy. Like we can both exist in his world dude I’m trying to be your neighbor and advocate for the community together but you don’t want me to exist. Grindset isn’t morality
That’s awesome you’re a great dad and human being
Antisemitism is not culture
I have been hoping for you to do a video on Black-Jewish relations for a while, since long before Kanye got on his latest nonsense. I’m really glad to hear that you’re in talks with LadyKnight, but I’m even gladder to hear you say you’re taking the time to actually do the topic justice instead of rushing into it out of some feeling of influencer obligation to comment on black drama for the benefit of a white audiences. So excited to see that video whenever it comes out, I know you’re gonna do a great job
Who is LadyKnight?
Regardless of how you view yourself, I think you might be both. In the same way that the algorithm places you in front of a specific group, there is a specific group that will be pulled to you that will naturally see you as not just the teacher, but also the leader. What will enough educated people naturally create in a place of ignorance? All love sir, you are an inspiration for sure and deserving of your position.
Really well said Lem.
Thank you kindly for your comment.
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I want to say as a Jew who loves your videos that I really empathise with that pressure to speak out about something. Growing up Jewish, I often felt called upon to express support for or denounce Israel and my views on the conflict were formed entirely out of defensiveness rather than from a place of knowledge and curiosity, and I felt an obligation to represent something to people I encountered who didn’t know many or any other Jews.
I can’t speak for the rest of my community but I would respect it if you never wanted to speak about Kanye for that reason, but I really really respect you taking the time to inform yourself and not just having a knee jerk response from a place of ignorance, as I used to
Yeah there's an analogy to be drawn between BHI/NOI and Zionism. They both grow out of a marginalized group's history of oppression and legitimate grievances, but those grievances manifest in a twisted conservative way. So I feel you.
I often get the feeling that I have to "be a good representative" for black people because if black conservatives control the narrative then they'll make us all look bad
@@Lectical I tend to connect Zionism to stuff like Marcus Garvey and the Americo-Liberians, but I don't know much (read: anything) about BHI/NOI. Is there a connection there? Am I noticing a real thing without knowing the terminology, or are there other parallels? There's also the possibility that we don't quite mean the same thing when we say Zionism, but that doesn't seem likely to be the issue here.
@@gazeboist4535 I know this comment is a year old, but there are a number of parallels between Liberia and Israel, and I'd say that's a fairly good comparison.
@@whym6438No, you're good. This is literally the only feedback I've ever gotten on the idea and I still never see anyone talking about it, so it's nice to know there's someone who thinks it has merit.
I've wanted to reach out and talk with you for a while, FD. Not sure how to get in contact. But my late uncle (Glen Ford) always told me that internally - if you consider Black America a country within a country - our internal rightest of the right wing is the NOI, Black Hebrew Israelites, etc. The left wing are the grassroots activists (the left part almost goes without saying) that you'd recognize in every city. I guess to specify better, it's the type of Black activists you'd see pushing for more resources for schools, control of our own institutions, reparations, and other government interventions. Short hand - the political descendants of the BPP. That's the two ends of the spectrum, and we have everything in between. Being a Black Republican Candace Owens type - a Black person who is essentially a white supremacist who collaborates directly with a vehemently anti-black white power structure (the political descendants of pro-slavery, pro Jim crow, pro-lynching folks) - isn't native to Black America and shouldn't be viewed as such. Sure, it's a real phenomenon - those people exist and have always existed - but we ought to view it much differently in the lens of Black politics. Modern-day white Republicans are not a black political structure. We do have structures that a built to collaborate with "white folks", but a black man at a Trump rally is not engaged in that the way a Black person who is active in their local, black run Democratic Party is (or a church, the NAACP, etc who collaborate directly with Democrats). There is no inherent Black wing of modern Republicanism and we ought not put it on the spectrum of natively Black politics. If Black America was a physical nation - your Candace Owens types simply moved out of it.
Very interesting and insightful metaphor
The description of Candace Owens is so spot on she should add it to her Twitter bio
this is very insightful.
@@fangal12 No, it's an outright lie at that.
Black centrists and black conservatives are the ones pushing for more resources for the kids.
The laser trap we have to navigate every day as black men is exhausting. Props to you bro
What’s exhausting about it
Kissing white ass is exhausting. Good thing I don’t do that. But if y’all wanna continue to beg for approval, that’s fine.
You @@kev9617.... you. 🙄
@@cassiusdhami9215 I was just about to mention you but ik your family got enough to worry about.
@@kev9617 You’re a loser bro😂😂what are you talking about
It's so surprising to me how many blind spots I find in my own perspective through watching you. Granted, I am an Indian woman, and my "experience" of America is entirely limited to my exposure to its cultural exports. But even accounting for that distance doesn't explain the asymmetry of my myopia. I wanted to see you speak on Kanye, debunk Kanye, "dunk" on him, without even considering the bigger picture: publicly criticising a black person for the viewing pleasure of a general audience achieves absolutely nothing beyond dignifying anti-black sentiment. Contrast this with my reaction to a certain white actress (you know who) getting ripped to shreds earlier this year -- all I could talk about was how "the reality of any public outcry against a woman is that it is inevitably coloured by, and a catalyst to, virulent misogyny blah blah blah". Why I couldn't draw an obvious parallel without someone spelling it out for me? Who the fuck knows.
The part about algorithmic preferences for certain black behavior- yea, it's a very real thing. And it kind of hurts to see how that impacts black men, as the most anti black and misogynistic of us will pretty much always have a platform....
To be a black man and get anywhere in that climate, you have to be EXCEPTIONAL AT EVERY TURN to even have a chance to compete with ashy McGee
FWIW, the exact same algorithmic preference exists for women who make misogynistic content online. Men will gladly support us & even fund us on patreons if we tell them what the patriarchy wants us to say. It's disheartening, especially bc most men in the real world don't even think that way 🥴
Hell ever since this Kanye Kyrie situation I been getting Hebrew Israelite videos on my feed
Hey F.D., I love your channel, and I think you've said a lot of important things on your show.
The antisemitism thing is very difficult to address by its nature. It's like nailing jello to a wall. Being a Jewish American myself (and white as a fucking ghost) doesn't make it easier. I have found a few books to be extremely useful in at least gathering some historical and philosophical understanding. I hope you take these book recommendations appreciatively, as they are certainly not offered in the "you obviously are foolish."
One that I really loved was called "A Rumor About the Jews" by Stephen Eric Bronner. It is an analysis and deconstruction of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," an antisemitic document from 1 903 which has been a huge influence on antisemitism (and conspiratorial thinking) to this day. Another is more recent and is called "A Specter Haunting Europe" which discusses the confluence of antisemitism, racism, and anticommunism. The third is a bit specific; it is the last chapter of "Dialectic of Enlightenment" by Horkheimer and Adorno, titled "Limits to Enlightenment: Elements of Antisemitism." That chapter sketches a philosophical prehistory of antisemitism but is more abstract than the first two and might require some more effort.
But I think those three texts can provide a lot of food for thought re: antisemitism and its difficult nature.
Thanks for these book recommendations. This entire Kanye/Kyrie fiasco led me to research the roots of antisemitism. As a Black American woman, learning about "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was a huge lightbulb moment for me in understanding white supremacist ideologies and what antisemitism *actually* is. Its similar to anti-Blackness, that shit is everywhere lol
If I may recommend some french authors, because France has been champion when it comes to anti-semitism the last two decades : I would add "Anti-semitism revisited" by the french rabbi Delphine Horvilleur, she explains very well in which times antisemitism becomes prevalent and its ties to misogyny. Very easy to read. The second one is "Hate: The Rising Tide of Anti-Semitism in France (and What It Means for Us)" by Marc Weitzmann. Foreigners may not know, but the first terrorist attacks made by french muslims here started against the jews. And almost all terrorist attacks had an anti-semitic "tone" to it (sorry i'm not fluent in english so my choice of words may be weird sometimes - i hope not too much haha). He studies how anti-semitism spreaded among young muslims and how it's ties to their rejection of Western Culture (or White supremacy you would call in america) in post-colonial times. He also studies the anti-semitism of the french far right and its history (precisely the rejection of French Revolution and the enlightement). Moreover, he explains the link between the hatred of jews and the hatred of modernity. That last book I think may be very interesting when it comes to the topic of the video :)
@@shinebabyshine. For sure, white supremacy stands on the bricks of antisemitism & anti-Blackness. The antisemitism showing up in the media lately is most detrimental to Black Jews. They get left out of the narrative so often. I feel so grateful when folks start looking into the “Protocols”. It really does open the floodgates. A lot of hatred is built from this text. It was also a reference when they wrote the Malleus Maleficarum to persecute witches. It’s really interesting to discover the stereotypes of “witches” are often just code for Jews as well.
Hey, as an African Jewish woman I wish these reading recommendations didn't erase non-European Jewish histories and Jews of Color... thanks. All these recommendations you gave him are from white / European Jewish thinkers...
@@Yryyyys do you have any book recommendations that aren't?
Yeah I agree, I'm Jewish and I really don't feel like I need you to 'refute' Kanye etc, that's not on you. Antisemitism is a product of white supremacy, not Black conservatives, even when they say antisemitic things.
I would be very happy to see a conversation with Jewish creators though, especially Black Jewish voices.
Yess!! This! Black Jews are getting left out of this story & they’re the ones hurt most by this bullshit.
Sometimes it's not even black neocons, but also hotep dudes, and to a lesser degree hip hop dudes who are distrustful of the music industry.
@@dsa513 It's also easy to scan and make a blanket statement that Jewish people are the cause/source of shady business within the music industry - when the situation is more that there are bad actors, bad people, bad practices happening within the music industry and we see people of all colors and backgrounds doing bad things. Artists have been screwed over by industry peeps that were white, Black, Jewish, atheist, and more. Other artists have been well taken care of by industry members that were white, Black, Jewish, and so on.
@@InterIdoru👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼Very good point. Thank you for saying this!
@@InterIdoru yup... just a few weeks prior to Kanye's comments, Kelis exposed how she had been made to sign predatory deals with Pharrell Williams when she was still a teenager and impressionable and didn't read the fine print, and she was basically robbed of her rights to her own music. And the reason why Beyonce didn't do anything about it is because she knows if she stood in solidarity with Kelis it would have meant maaaany shady deals and bad contracts, including of Jay Z, would be under scrutiny. And now we're gonna start saying only Jewish people are responsible for bad business practices in music?
There is no hope of reconnecting enough "normies" to socialism without somehow dismantling the center right and far right media ecosystems and while it was bad enough when center right media was the dominant media ecosystem, this barrier seems to only be getting worse as the far right media is expanding so rapidly, especially on social media, that it is now overtaking center right media.
To capitalists far right is always more system friendly than left wing. And since capitalists own the media thats how it happens.
I think there are ways of appealing to people on the far right through socialism (if you're white and traditionally masculine). I've got relatives and Coworkers that I've pulled over by just appealing to common sense and acting "manly".
It takes a while to massage away the bigotry though.
@@qwertyuiop42385 Define "pulled over". Are they completely removed from consuming far right media or are they just sometimes saying they agree with you during discussions?
@Green Demon it starts at the latter, but they change over time. I had one guy who was like "fuck all homeless people" initially, then I got him to agree with giving them shelter so they could find jobs, then I got him to agree that housing should be a basic right for everyone, and so on. It's a process, but I think it's worth it.
Again, this only works because I look and sound the way I do, but the hope is that eventually, they'd be willing to listen to someone who doesn't look like me.
@Green Demon Conservatives are affected by a lot of the same stuff as lefties, they just blame minorities for their problems for various reasons. I think your average person has at least a grain of compassion deep in their soul somewhere, and it can grow with some help.
I will acknowledge that Conservatives tend to "react" and fall back into their old ways without someone to chill them out a lot of times though.
S tier vid honestly. It's such a hard balance because people like Kanye are doing real damage to marginalized communities, but like you said it's not really possible to address that as a white person without inadvertently promoting anti-blackness. I think it comes down to that not everyone always needs to have a public take on every issue like social media would have us believe, and it's ok to sit one out here or there if you're not gonna add anything productive to the discourse. Still feels bad to just be like "well I guess I'd rather let black people deal with it so it's not being used as an excuse to prop up racism" cause that feels like it's just offloading the feeling of responsibility to people more marginalized than I am, but at the end of the day there's no shortage of prominent white people with similarly harmful takes I can criticize instead without having the same drawbacks if I feel the need. If it wasn't difficult to navigate criticizing these people, they wouldn't be as successful as they are. I know if I was a jew this situation would really be eating at me. Just sucks all around, at the end of the day it'd be best to just deplatform these people but that's much easier said than done when we're talking about someone with the name recognition of Kanye West or Kyrie Irving
Also lol @ 30:59
I agree
He’s not doing any damage. Jewish people aren’t marginalized. Stfu
If you deplatform them it just boosts their claim that Jews have huge influence over who gives people like Kanye and kyrie money and influence
The thing about these “asks” of, “Hey are you gonna talk about Kyrie, Kanye, or Dave?” - is that some of them are in bad faith. And it all gets segmented into various categories. You got your weird, anti-black left-leaning folks who wanna test your politic and see if you’re one of the “good blacks”, and if you’re not they’re gonna try to skewer you. You also got your left-leaning folks who want you to “sic’ em” to the “bad black conservatives” - so they’re still anti-black and fucked. Then you got the right-leaning folks who either a. Want to see if you side with them on anti-semitism or b. Watch the left fight itself into oblivion if you say something that pisses the lefties off. I mean all of it is a weird space to be in as a black leftuber and it just speaks to more acrobatics that black folks have to do in imperialist, white supremacist, capitalist patriarchy (rip bell - real one).
All this to say…you did an excellent and lovely job at outlining the precarity of the situation your in while reaffirming your politic, especially since you recognize your importance to get your content in front of younger black folks, young boys and men in particular, as a form of education and prevention. Hats off to you.
As a Jew, the transparently disingenuous shit I see from white racists infuriates me. They think we don't see the replacement theory shit coming out of the other side of their mouth when they feign righteous indignation about Kyrie or Kanye - nah we don't want their defense and we're not cosigning their racist views just because they spend a couple days pretending to care about antisemitism...especially when it's only as a way to perpetuate bigotry towards black people. They can go to kapos like Ben Shapiro for validation
My partner's white Jewish and as soon as all this started and people started tearing into these two they just looked exhausted and said most people attacking them wanted an excuse to attack some black men, they don't really care about Jews on a wider scale and it wouldn't have been nearly the response it was if they weren't black men and that fucking sucks for both Jews and black people
Yeah, I’m not black but I am a POC in America. I find your discussions and explanation here very interesting. Being in community with (more) black people (than the majority white population) I do think I had some understanding and reaction that these viewpoints from Kanye and Kyrie are not respected in the community and regressive and bad. What I don’t think I had considered was the things you discuss and consider for why so many white commentators elevate and critique these fringe ideals to try and dismantle on a public stage. Maybe there was some implicit understanding but I hadn’t considered (or at least put specific language to it) for the reasoning and incentives (especially as you say “algorithmic incentive”) for those discussions and view points from white creators. All this to say I really appreciate this video, I had kinda assumed that you wouldn’t talk about the Kanye and Kyrie situations (or at least for a good while) but hearing your sort of meta discussion on the issue of discussing those viewpoints is really interesting and appreciated and definitely helped me think in new ways.
All that to basically say good video haha.
Exactly, elevating this fringe views keeps the narrative going. I like how FD points out how these fringe people are only known in mostly white circles and that says all I needed to hear.
As a white man who grew up in a rural and very conservative part of the country, I have always felt as though I have been quarantined from the ideas present within the black community. Especially when learning about black history in school, it was always presented as though “black history,” was its own, less important, subset of history, not as an important piece of the whole.
I bring this up to say that the ability for people who were like I was to find your channel, among others, where incredible, well-researched videos with salient critique, analysis, and introspection are made is powerful.
I always walk away from your videos feeling as if I have learned something valuable.
Yep black history is American history
@@vlogily8043 realizing that long ago was crucial to my path in anarchism. Public schools in America really don't teach the history of black people as it ought to, otherwise, I dare say many students might get a bit too knowledgeable about their own country.
Honestly what opened my eyes to that reality was taking History of Rock in college, of all things. Before then, I had absolutely no clue just how embedded black culture was in American culture as a whole and how it spawned so many (if not all) of our cultural touchstones without ever giving them the credit they deserved.
For the algorithm
For the algorithm
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What they said.
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So I’m Jewish, and I find myself almost *needing* that validation from black creators that kanye is ~ bad ~ and 6 minutes in you already touched on stuff I know but emotionally don’t accept. Like this isn’t prominent black politics (statistically black Americans are the most progressive demographic on almost every mark). But its amplified by conservative voices to seem like a real issue in the black community. Key issue being it’s a black issue is whats being projected, not a conservative issue. And that need I feel, is still ingrained socialized racisms, fears and biases. good video as usual
The problem is... you guys are the most PRIVILEGED group in America and in the world. Kanye and Kyrie have already been punished by the white, Jewish elite establishment. What else do you guys want?
@@bjesgirl first off, our the gate with “the problem with you people” energy. Exactly what my comment is about is the problem with that line of thinking. Second did you just call Jews the most privileged group in america and the world? The past 3000 years of human existence would disagree. You realize Jews still get stoned to death in some areas. White Ashkenazi Jews aren’t just all Jews, second the reason why white Ashkenazi Jews have a higher income is because we are so used to being threatened by society it’s ingrained in our culture to “hide” and accumulate communal wealth, because when shit hits the fan whose the first people on the chopping block? The fact so many white people obviously agree with Kanye and Kyrie is the issue. We are still hated
Also “jewish elite establishment” this is just neo nazi conspiracy stuff.
WE DONT HAVE TRIBE MEETINGS ON KANYE IN BANKS!!! Its not like all Jews sacrifice a goat and get our cloaks and meet in a bank to discuss how to punish black men💀 this conspiratorial thinking is literally what causes us to be genocided off all the time. Yes Jews make higher incomes on average, but most of us, like myself, are educated liberal communities of doctors, lawyers or such as myself an electrician. We are taught to pick up a high income trade or career and stay in the community. We don’t control the government, that’s still white Protestants. Its not a mistake that there’s never been a Jewish president.
dont speak 4 all of us💯trust me bro if ye die 2morrow everybody will be sayin a whole different story...
Kanye, and men like him, are THEE WORST.
@@SvenDzahov ok, please explain what institutions are in place to oppress white Jews? Since you are so "scared?" Is institutional racism against white jews woven into the fabric of housing, healthcare, employment, criminal justice and public school systems? Because it is against black people.
So once again why do we have to speak out in y'all's defense? Every black person that says anything about a Jewish person is beaten into submission or stripped of all their wealth. So why do you need us to speak out? You all have the power to hold people accountable and you do. Why do you want to be a victim so bad? You were victimized during the holocaust but now the oppressed have become the oppressor. Just bask in your privilege and leave us black people alone!
27:36 - I hope you don’t mean Jews when you say “openly defend white folks.” There are so many JOC that folks are forgetting here. I think you would be remiss not to include Black Jews in researching the next video on this subject. The Kanye thing was so shitty for Black Jews to have to navigate.
I understand your point of view but I think that it's your job to talk about every hot button issue in a way that advances a coherent narrative for anti-racism. In my opinion saying that you can't talk about this issue because it helps white supremacist is dumb as shit because every issue can help white supremacists in a white supremacist society.
You don't need to call out Kyrie and Kanye because you're black, you need to call them out because you're a media analyst and they're posting Nazi apologia. I feel like someone who might be sympathetic to Kyrie's point of view can only watch this video and think that you're too scared to actually address Kyrie's points by calling him a victim. It's somewhat infantilizing of Kyrie and Kanye to remove millionaires from agency for their beliefs just because they're black in a white society. They're making it worse for us.
That algorithmic incentive is a real thing. The sad reality that we've been caught up in the fanfare of this stuff around the same time as the announcement that Mutulu Shakur will finally be released. It says a lot about a lot.
i'm a white eastern european, your videos are very educational on many levels, not just the ~racism~ 🤔 like yea, i still have a lot of racist bs in my head i need to unlearn but it's my responsiblity. i wish black creators could talk about anything they want without risking getting the 'education for whites' label slapped on their stuff
He’s cosplaying a black man. He’s another grifting clown
@@davruck1you’re a duck
There's already 2 hours of Kanye on your channel and if folks actually paid attention it was very clearly implied that this new chapter of Kanye was inevitable anyways so I'm not sure what people expect from you. Maybe you can upload a youtube short Kanye pt 3 that's just "Yep...Told you this was coming...Peace" and that's it: just 15 seconds.
Your points about Noah Samson's video about Patience Xina is EXACTLY why I blocked her channel; people like her cannot be reasoned with!
And I stumbled upon her channel before Noah even made his video about her!
It’s funny what you have to say about the Black Left, considering that I just found out what Duboisian sociology was. I still don’t know how Dubois doesn’t have his own little sub section of socialism the way other greats do. (Marxism, Stalinism, Maoism, Trotskyism) like Dubois founded the NAACP, First black man to graduate from Harvard with a PHD, attended the founding convention of the United Nations, legitimately has whole texts dedicated to black people’s struggles in American society on such a level that it’s a disgrace that we don’t know the impact of this man.
While I agree with the video for the most part, there is one part I take issue with and it's the but about "these far-right groups not being popular or prominent and therefore we can just kinda ignore them". Far-right groups, whether they be nazis, BHIs, hoteps, black hammer, etc, are never the primary ideology, they just try to normalize their hateful views to the point they can get into power and then undo democracy. I often hear black people say they aren't prominent enough to be a problem but I here white people use that to push aside the point that it's still a problem ideology and it's still dangerous. I've had cousins say that to dismiss what Dave Chappelle says, to dismiss Ye's actions, and ignore anything I have to say on the matter. As a black queer person, I just get talked over a lot and ignored whenever I bring up the fact I've had to deal with harassment from far-right people of multiple races and that I never really see a difference in the ideology, they want the same thing but for themselves to be in power. I like it when white people call out proud boys despite them not being "prominent", I don't entirely understand why this is different. It hurts because every issue gets framed as black people verses, and my queerness often excludes me from my "blackness". I just wanna understand why it's okie to just downplay their hatred, cause I don't
What I find to be missing from the convos about black antisemitism is the fact that many (most?) Jewish people in the US also have white privilege, and have a hand to play in American anti-blackness because of that, presently and historically. But that's about white supremacy, not Judaism, so it also doesn't justify any amount of antisemitism. Yet the algorithm (and white supremacy) doesn't permit the subtleties and healing of that conversation.
Yes. An analogy I think is useful to talk about antisemitism would be the following: an abusive teacher (white supremacy and capitalism) is constantly giving unfairly bad grades to his students. But the students are done with this and they wanna start a rebellion and organize together to get the teacher fired. So the abusive teacher picks a favorite student in the classroom (Jewish people) to encourage all the other kids to bully the favorite student cause he's perceived a bootlicker... but all this time the teacher is the one giving them unfair grades. Now people are not mad at the teacher anymore cause they're too focused on hating and resenting that "teacher's pet" student and bullying him. It appears that the teacher is treating that kid better (for example when ADIDAS or other white capitalists seems to performatively condemn antisemitism very loudly, while they never care about antiBlackness), but really he's not helping that kid by doing that: he's actually feeding him to the other kids anger and basically treating him as a scapegoat. And the other kids think they're "going against the unfair system" by hating on that kid, but they're really just letting the system manipulate them. Now the only way this cycle can be broken is if the "teacher's pet" REFUSES to be a bootlicker (if Jewish people refuse to side with white supremacy and capitalism, and unite together with the other minorities to fight the system), and if the rest of the kids REFUSE to be played into bullying that one kid, and all working class people of color unite against white supremacy and capitalism.
@@Yryyyys YES! Antisemitism most potent trait that aids Capital is that it serves a pseudo-emancipatory sentiment, at the end protecting capital. Jews thus become a buffer zone, a scapegoat, a convenient and defined point of fixation to represent 'the evils of Capital' in lieu of a systemic proper critique of capitalism and white supremacy.
Hearing you say that black folks don't get a strong black analytical frame until they're thirty was honestly pretty reassuring to hear as a black man who's currently 25. As great as it is to keep learning and developing my analytical frame, I often step back and wonder "damn, am I really this far behind?" I dunno if this falls under the definition of impostor syndrome, but it does feel like that at times.
That said, hearing that I'm not as behind as I think I am is reassuring, and I'm just gonna keep learning what I can and building that analytical frame.
I really like how intentional you’re with what you post about and cover. Acknowledging the over saturation of the type of videos from the online left is a great point. It snowballs into repetitive unproductive discourse usually. Lots of respect for what you’re doing on this channel.
I love your point of view on these issues, and the amount of care you take with black people as a whole even if you don’t agree with them.
Wow, I don't know why that simple reframing got to me:
Anti-blackness is the default. Not just the norm, but the DEFAULT SETTING in our society.
I'm really glad I've found this channel, there's not many predominant lefty channels who really speaks on black experiences like my own. Even if there's alot of F.Ds veiwers that are not really the target audiences for most of his videos. I'm just saying it's worth having a large amount of white to find other black male figures people like him and Foreign for example.
You know I'm less interested in your view on Kyrie, Kanye, Chappelle, etc. and more interested in your take on why and how libs like Jon Stewart defend them
Bro, imma be honest...... it's enough anti-Semitic Black people I know that I can't really rock with what you're saying. Lots of mfs been openly defending Kyrie and Kanye for weeks now. Like, you're not wrong about the dynamics at play when it comes to the critiques, but you're wrongly downplaying the severity.
I personally think that most of the black people that are defending them(really Kyrie) is because of the list of demands not because of antisem.. I noticed an drastic increase in defense of them after the list of demands not before that. Basically they are defending them because it feels to them like a black man is being put in his place and their fear is that the list of demands will become the new norm anytime someone that is black does something that is actually wrong or/and is perceived as wrong.
If you want to know about whether Martin Luther King was a socialist, you need to read his letter to Coretta Scott King from Birmingham jail
As a Jew, I would love to not be asked to comment on literally everything that the Nation of Israel has done. I had a lot of people throwing at me today, pertaining to West, that my people should “Do something about Palestine before you get mad about him.” My mother is Palestinian.
I don’t want you to run these people and make them a big bad villain in some insane Thanos level threat. I just know it’s a thing from personal experience and I would like that if I have to respond to Shapiro and Israel to explain to people why that doesn’t represent who my people are, that others can do the same thing. Partially because I think you’re very good at this particular level of counter ideology. Video Essay’s are just the JRPG of debate, in that it’s turned based usually.
We’re both very well educated (I stopped at my Masters so you got me there) so we both understand the value of pointing to a source. I think you’re a good source for this. I look forward to it.
I feel you there brother, that's extremely irritating. I receive the "do something about the black community before criticizing America." Then there's the "do something about Mexico," "do something about the Middle East," etc. The idea that some individual should have to fly around the world and "fix" every stranger of their general group before saying anything about somewhere or someone else directly affecting them is incredibly dumb and dismissive.
I feel like often minorities are held to task for/ asked to speak on the bad behavior of other people in their community. While it’s important to speak out it can be tiring to feel like you have to refute every bad actor. As a Jewish viewer I agree that the attention should be going to larger figures spreading antisemitism in a much more mainstream and insidious way.
Yea it's not FDs responsibility to respond, that would be like a litmus test for black people to ask them to condemn them. I have also seen a lot of black creators respond excellently to them and refute everything the said and am grateful to them but it's not their responsibility to answer for people who happen to also be black but have nothing to do with them.
Throwing my two cents in mostly for the algorithm. You're probably getting more developed thoughts on the Jewish community from whoever you're already talking to, but from my perspective as a Jew, the thing that makes antisemitism from black folks hit different is that we don't expect it. Being Jewish and at all aware of your history is always having some part of your brain thinking that things could go pear shaped at any time. Maybe it's 1% of your brain, maybe it's 10%, and it's going to change depending on who is in power, but it's there in the background. My grandfather went back to his family in Hungary and Austria multiple times in the 1930s trying to convince them to leave, and they rebuffed him every time saying that it couldn't get that bad where they were. Sure, antisemitism was bad in Russia and the old Pale of Settlement, but not in Germany/Austria/Hungary. Mind you, there was still antisemitic violence in these nations--my grandfather spoke of arson and sporadic murders around holidays like Easter as acceptable exceptions to a general sense of "good relations" with the gentiles--but people couldn't believe that your average Austrian could have that kind of hate in their heart. A big part of my education as a kid was being impressed with how eager, let alone ready and willing, ordinary folks in those countries were to start killing and robbing Jews once they had permission to.
So when I see Kanye West saying some crazy shit about the Jews, I chalk that up to him being a crazy dumbass. I see Kyrie Irving sharing some weird antisemitic movie, and I think that's weird. Dave Chappelle gets up on stage to "address" that weird shit by making jokes the premise of which is, like, "Yeah, don't be antisemitic... but they are doing some of that stuff." And I honestly do start to get worried. Not that black folks are going to start organizing pogroms or anything, but because I assume that black folks are a lagging indicator. Like, if this is what black people think of us, then what do white gentiles think? Because I've been on edge about that. I remember when Trump set up camps down at the border, and everyone seemed to shrug and move on with their lives. I stayed up that night hugging my infant daughter and crying, wondering if it would be an overreaction to leave the country, or if staying would be me burying my head in the sand like my family back in Europe last century.
Now, point taken that these guys are not really representational of the culture, but I think that's why it triggers this emotional response.
This articulated something I’ve been struggling to put words to, thank you. I’ve been saying that 2022 discourse echoes that of 2012 with the resurgence of manosphere ideology and edgelord rhetoric. A whole new generation is getting freshly exposed to the greatest hits of conspiracy theory via unexpected conduits. The framework of “lagging indicators” perfectly encapsulates the anxiety I feel about these cultural flashpoints.
Powerful words. We must never forget, nor Jews, nor anyone else. People want to throw the rug over it, but to do that is to allow young minds to be corrupted.
As a Black person this sounds eerily reminiscent of my own families experience these past what 6 years, both under Donald Trump's presidency and in the midst of the George Floyd protests.
I always get really sad when I see antisemitism coming from other marginalized communities because they're repeating the pattern. The struggles the black community faces are not Jewish made, they're made by white supremacy and capitalism, the exact same structures that oppress, degrade, racialize, dehumanize me and have led to the murder of my direct family countless times. Being blamed for the thing that has destroyed your community from people who in many ways share your suffering hurts. And also, it's not a coincidence when a black person blames the Jews and not white supremacy, it's because all of the worlds evils are yet again being blamed on us. Blaming us upholds the Systems causing that damage. We are the scapegoat, the shield between the systems that cause the harm and the people in their outrage, ready to destroy it. Its like when the feudal lord's told the peasants they were exploiting it was the Jews fault that they were poor and exploited. The peasants ran to burn down the next Jewish ghetto and kill it's inhabitants while the feudal lord, who's fault it actually is, was sitting in his home and grinning. After it was all over the peasants we're not any more free from oppression, there were just more dead Jews.
Honestly I hope you continue to make videos about the stuff you want to talk about it. First cos it's probably better to do something that makes you happy. And second because I've found those are often your most interesting videos. I don't necessarily know who half the people you're talking about are before I click these videos (because I'm not American and grew up outside the West) and I come away feeling like I learned so much. Creating what other people want is fine, it pays the bills. But the passion projects expand horizons and get people thinking about things they weren't considering.
My union apprenticeship included labor history and somehow they avoided all mentions of socialism let alone black socialism. They championed Eugene Debs even but refused to say what party he ran for haha
Really interesting hearing your insight on Noah’s video. When I watched it, I noticed he was trying to be very intentional to leave room for her to have growth, change, and whatever. But I hadn’t considered how that regardless opens it up to a variety of other issues
As a white member of your audience who got on board a couple weeks before Bo Burnam video, I’ll just say I’m glad you’re feeling the integrity and stuff. But I can definitely see how the pressures you’ll be feeling is going to come from places that aren’t what you want to be as an educator and content creator. I’m not here to be taught the basics, I’m here to listen in on valuable conversations and good takes on media
I think there have always been plenty of black Americans (men mostly)who broader white Americans consider a part of the liberal/left spectrum but are actually nationalist/conservatives who don’t like other groups or black women and if it weren’t for white racism would be Republican voters. The reason they generally don’t get called out more is because it doesn’t really matter what they think because they don’t have any power or anyone listening to them in power. It’s hard enough getting someone to advocate for the black community in government, let alone implement like a Holocaust on behalf of a few mostly non-voting hotep dudes. Whereas white bigots are winked at constantly by their representatives even if their more extreme policies aren’t an imminent threat. What’s tough about the Ye and Kyrie situation is just that their profiles are so high, that it’s unavoidable. You sort of have to take a position on it. And you have a lot of people coming out to say, @yes, I feel this way too. They’ve said nothing wrong!” And it becomes like the altright where a small share of the actual population seems huge, or like larger numbers of people secretly agree with them, and that can have real world consequences. In the case of the altright, they had the president of the United States afraid to offend them because he considered them his base (and might actually agree with them). If black people are incorrectly seen as being pro-Holocaust they aren’t going to be listened to by those in power the same way. They will be targeted though.
Thank you for getting more granular about this. It will always be complicated to have any intra-community conversations with outside eyes on, especially when there are multiple identities involved. Black Jewish people, like writer and culinary historian Michael Twitty and theoretical physicist Chanda Prescod-Weinstein have been doing a good job of talking about antisemitism they're experiencing, and why Kanye and Kyrie are severely out of pocket coming out with these fringe weird ideas.
those are two great voices. as a very white jewish person, this situation is difficult because anti-Black racism and Ashkenormativity are very real things and I do not deny those experiences. F.D. makes great points and I hope he looks into the writings of Black Jews to understand that perspective on the issue as he continues researching.