maeflower522 But that's not what Ashleigh is saying. She completely disapproves of Aziz's actions, she just thinks the way it was reported was really sloppy.
To be honest I'm still thinking about it, the lines are very blurry. Again, something that could've been clarified by coherent, articulate reporting. One thing is for sure, he does not deserve to have his career ruined because of this.
This woman wants you to read her mind. Don't go saying all women have the same mindset. I agree this was no metoo moment, merely a girl who regretted an encounter.
its always about the bills man. the very fact that the person is anonymous proves she didnt care that much about the actual movement, just money because of the snow ball affect liberals caused. her statement isnt real as far as im concerned.
I love that Megyn Kelly was trying to identify with her at the end. Beyond being anchors and having vaginas, they are nothing alike. Banfield has integrity, empathy, and courage having spoke out against the Iraq War to jeopardize her job, and here she's going against the grain too. Megyn Kelly is a sellout to the corporate agenda and a narcissist.
Let's not forget that she contacted him afterwards and he apologized, after deep reflection. His full support for the #MeToo movement makes a lot of sense.
Don't get me wrong - I believe in and support the me too movement and I take it VERY seriously. Which is why I think we need very clear definitions of what is miscommunication and what is assault. HUGE difference. As a woman who has raised two very respectful young men who want to honor women and never cross a boundary line, I want those lines to be very clear for them, so that there is NO question about what the women they date will or will not be okay with. Non-verbal communication is BS. Say NO, mean it, and LEAVE the situation if you don't like what's happening.
Why doesn't Grace release all of the text messages from the week prior to the date? How do we know she wasn't sexting him and saying that she wanted him to 'take control' or be aggressive? She shared his actions but not hers. She needs to come clean.
Good point, I was wondering the same thing along with why doesn't she come forward like many women did against trump, Cosby and weinstein instead of staying anonymous.
+Anirudh Bharadwaj so she can be harassed and hounded by random strangers online and irl? Isn't that the exact same thing people like you were saying about Cosby's victims when they came forward?
Team Ashleigh and Ansari. Sorry Megan, you are nothing like Ashleigh. Ashley is a classy , reliable and responsible journalist who seems very trustworthy. You seem like an opportunist.
Megyn, has every right to question her guest. It's what makes a good interview. She also brought up good points that gave Ashleigh a good opportunity to challenge.
I read the entire article, and first of all she said she only gave off non verbal cues, and now apparently she gave off verbal cues as well? why lie to make aziz look worse than he is
Yeah, I was really lost when Megan keep alluding to her saying “no” repeatedly. Umm where and when? Also, a man putting his fingers in your mouth is not an unusual sexual move. There’s a purpose to it. She was acting beyond clueless. The Grace lady never used to word “shoving down my throat”, she said he kept stinking his fingers in her mouth and then to her woohoo, as she sat on the counter legs open. Megan was fox newsing the story up!
I'm just happy to see a mature dialogue between two people who have every right to have this conversation. I also appreciate Megyn challenging the guest to test her opinions. Its such a relief to not see two adults screaming at each other on TV
I am so moved by Megyn Kelly in this interview - she disagreed with some of Ashleigh's points in a respectful and diplomatic way so rarely seen on TV these days. I also love that she thanked Ashleigh for inspiring her and giving her the resolve to start her career. We need more people like this in the world right now.
That's because Megyn is not a leftist (which almost all media is) so she can respect that people have different opinions and can discuss it without resorting to ad hominem attacks.
I am not sure if Megyn truly disagree with Ashleigh as much as she appeared to be (a little bit for sure, but maybe not as much). It is part of a journalist's job to challenge the interviewee. It would be, otherwise, a horrible interview if Megyn agreed 100% of what Ashleigh said -- thus no counterpoint.
The biggest thing about that story was that the MOMMENT she said she no longer wanted to engage, he stopped, politely called her a taxi and walked her out...these were her words.
Politico-ideologically: Sure. But on this topic: Heck no! It benefits Kelly's( no salutation!) Conservatism to defend cismale, which is imperative in this case. Although, not so much because he ain't no straight white cismale. That's why there are lapses in her factual-accuracy. And vice-versa with Ms Banfield.
actually none of the ladies said that this babe.com-article was even trying to be a part of the#meetoo movement. I suggest you work on your hearing or something or just watch the clip again with a modicum of concentration!
Grace, you're so lucky that you don't know what assault is. And Megyn, it sounds like you don't understand how things work on dates today. I'm disappointed in this story receiving attention. I believe we're damaging the movement and creating an environment where men can't win either. Let's focus on those people who have broken the law and go after them with the law.
Ladies, there are freaks out there in the world, men and women, who do some freaky stuff in the bedroom. I hate this comedian, but he did nothing wrong. So sad the way people are attacked for sport.
Megyn imo owned this conversation. She pointed out that Grace didnt mention the me too movement but just said aziz is a hypocrite for treating her badly on a sexual level and saying he’s a feminist. Megyn really got it.
Bwahahahahaha, no! In fact, her calling the cesspit with “dotcom” suffix was in itself a tell-tale sign that FOX® News genes* in her are still very active. First of all, the guest successfully countered her point by saying that in this day-&-age of 'Bumbling Tinder', rules and understanding are different than was the case when they were young[ and even, MUCH of the famous Feminist literature was published]. Besides, Nierman( part of the accuser's real-life name) did actually wrapped it under "#MeToo". One doesn't have to be spelling out everything, there are ‘non-explicit verbal cues’ as well. And above all: She wasn't mudslinging him for the first-time! She in fact did it _via_ her attention-seeking tweet few months earlier from the story by mentioning his account/"handle" in her tweet with the hashtag "#metoo[ _sic_ ]". *What else you got?*
Ashleigh Banfield made me proud in this interview. Not only did she share clear and decisive points of view but she challenged Kelly's views with the utmost eloquence and caused her to respectfully bow out of the conversation. Impressive!
Agreed, I’m a women who had been on many uncomfortable dates. If this date was assault then I’d say most of my dates were assaults. However I always left when I didn’t like the situation. Well I guess I should get busy and statue texting all my bad dates to tell them I was assaulted
Is it just me who observed that Megyn Kelly already had her opinion made up before listening to Ashleigh Banfield. Megyn not only didn't listened to Ashleigh but was OVER AGGRESSIVE in not letting Ashleigh speak and even MORE AGGRESSIVE in shoving her own opinions down Ashleigh's throat. The icing on this manipulated conversation cake was Magyn out of nowhere complementing Ashleigh that was totally irrelevant to the topic.
I would love to have a conversation about “strong women” who “were not strong enough to walk out,” as Megyn put it, and I would suggest if they are not strong enough to walk out of a situation like Grace described, specifically as Grace described, then that was never a strong woman to begin with.
Tentacle19 Well you sure ain't hearing all the stories you have been listening too then otherwise you would never say something as inane and simplistic as this . How's the view from up there ?
Sarah Penna If you disagree then explain why or how. Otherwise, just know no one knows even what your point is, other than a lame attempt to insult. If you had an experience similar to Grace’s, I understand why you would be angry at yourself. Privileged women who have become reliant on people anticipating & meeting their needs may be why this young immature woman is now learning she needs to take responsibility for her own well being. A tough lesson, but certainly not a situation of sexual misconduct. I could not be more pleased that we are finally having this conversation in our culture so that women like you can consider realities beyond your own. If you disagree, I would be interested in why, if you are able to respond in a mature and thoughtful way. Otherwise, grow up.
Tentacle19 If you need me to decipher all the articles, interviews, debates that have been airing since October last year ( & which have been covered up for decades, decades & decades) then it proves you are most definitely not " HEARING" . There are indeed hundreds of very strong women who , despite being been brave and courageous, have still experienced insidious backlash and abuse ( loss of careers, just to mention one etc ) And they are the strong ones ..... Let's not even get started on the voiceless most vulnerable in society ( cleaners, waitresses, basic wage employees ) trying to raise a family etc . Your simplistic whitewashing of selecting this ambiguous Grace case does prove to me that you are NOT hearing the core issue at stake . I am a v strong woman but I also recognise that , for a plethora of reasons , not all women can use their voice to ensure a just outcome . Even the cases that DO get to court are subjected to a litigious system that is inherently patriarchal and weighted in favour of the richest ( eg Cosby ) . Maybe 'strong' women have had enough and are reclaiming a bit of vigilante balance . And like any revolution & pendulum in history it picks up shades of grey .
Tentacle19 Because by going down this rabbit hole of semantics ( & 'tentacles' ) by citing very specific 'individual ' cases you only serve to muddy the waters of the all important bigger picture . I think Megyn did a v professional job of differentiating without losing sight of the big issue . You only need to scan the comments to see how many stone throwers & misogynists there are , ALWAYS poised & ready to cast shadow on the growing movement . Backlash 101 is always alive & kicking when it comes to women's issues and comments like 'strong women ' invites excuses to perpetually smudge the boundaries
Sarah Penna Megan said her guest had a good point, so in the end she agreed with what I and her guest said and will continue to say. And if you had any point it’s clear as mud. All I can see is that you are the “whitewasher” if you are still insisting Grace’s immature sexual experience was a result of misconduct. You mention a bigger picture, but don’t clearly say what that picture is and instead refer to other comments rather state your own.
Interesting observation! I was preoccupied with multiple facets of this that I simply couldn't. I wonder that's a format of her show or is it a rarity?
I agree with Ashleigh and believe Aziz, but how are none of you talking about what Kelly said at 3:30 - that “it doesn’t sound like SA because he wasn’t her employer and they weren’t in the workplace”.
Team Aziz. Plus, do people understand that there is a big difference between allegation and proven guilty? What media told us is her narrative of the real incident. We gotta listen to both parties.
"Have a conversation" about whatever you want, but only mention names if that person has been found to be guilty. I'm really uncomfortable with the current "guilty until proven innocent" stance that everyone's taking. Even with Harvey Weinstein, was he actually charged before his name was splashed across every headline? It just irritates me that everything I thought I knew about the justice system is apparently not the case. You can accuse anyone publicly of anything without any proof to back up your claim. What's to stop me from telling a third-rate reporter that I was harassed by Chris Hemsworth?
In fact, that “third-rate reporter” is not trained in journalism - she's just a college-graduate, so the question of "selling one's soul" doesn't even arise.
If you feel you’ve been assaulted, report it. If you feel you’ve been violated, say so. Victims of abuse often under react and then over react, and it’s because they don’t listen to their gut feelings- they’ve never learned it but it’s part of being an adult to learn it! Some people also don’t read social cues well, and sadly need you to be very direct about boundaries. I hope this helps someone out there.
Myentertainment Troy The most confusing people I've known are men.. we're all confusing, equality! That being said, I've made complaints for years that women are too passive (as a whole) because they are expected to be, but that this perpetuates an unhealthy culture. I get harassed REGULARLY by dudes I don't know. First thing I think is that they probably think it's perfectly OK. That assumption is primarily based on their particular response to accountability tho, and I really try not to lump all men together. I've seen dude friends harassed by women in the same way, but somehow it's more acceptable. Idk. Really I guess my point is people are people, and I don't want to lump large groups together to fight against one another. I don't think that helps anyone, but seems to be what happens more often than not. And I think people as a whole are confusing. But I think it's good that everyone is having this conversation, however frustrating and blurred the lines may be.
Equality means you gain and you suffer lose equally. Women want the gains, which is understandable, but they do not want the losses that comes along with it. When you desire power, there is the good side of that and the bad, but women only see the good side of it. One day they will get the power they seek, but it will not be what they think. Martha Stewart tasted a bit of that when she went to jail. As far as men being confusing, we do have our days when we do things that do not make sense, but usually it's straight forward, but women can do and say almost anything and the world will back her up. When we invite you to our apartment at night after drinks, we think that is being straight forward to the point, but as we can see now, that is not the case.
Wow I must say that was surprising! I expected megan to act totally differently!! That was very professional and the last part made Ashleigh emotional and I bet she needed that sweet gesture.
Well we may never know what she really thought! Am not a megyn kelly fan either but at least she wasn't bashing Ashleigh like the other hypocrites on tv who are shaming her for speaking her mind!
Thank you Ashleigh! I have seen through some difficult times and I would be appalled when the movement is ruined because it gets categorised under the wrong context!
In her account Grace said that she was uncomfortable at dinner... so if she was uncomfortable why go back to his apartment? She could have nipped this in very beginning.
Exactly! She also complained about him not having red wine at his apartment and him not rubbing her shoulders and stroking her hair to make her feel better...
It was sad that they stopped abruptly when the debate or conversation just reached the most sensitive and controversial core, and started to pay each other personal compliments.
GO ASHLEIGH!!! THANK YOU for speaking the truth for those of us that don't have the platform that you do. YOU are and always have been a true reporter that deserves respect for all that you have done in your 30 years of reporting.
Whether we agree with the Aziz Ansari being bad or good or just normal; whether we agree politically or not with Megyn or Alshleigh, one thing is irrefutable: This is what journalists look like and this is what a conversation between reputable journalists looks like. I'm all for independent organizations getting more clicks and recognition than big organizations that are often either biased or controlled by powerful agents, but at least these independent organizations should be held accountable for what they publish and how they publish and the way that they can shape conversations. we live in a world where whether you write for Babe or New York Times you can have a huge impact on the conversation, and that is why it is important, especially for smaller independent publications to follow ethical guidelines when they publish. The Babe publication and the writer Katie whatsherface, were extrememly provocative, extremely careless with condemning a man without evidence on the public court, and extremely rude to a fellow, much more senior and experienced journalist. That email that she wrote about Ashleigh, her makeup and her hair, is disgusting. The way Megyn and Ashleigh are interacting here, even though they may disagree on some points, that's how reputable journalists act like. (And I can't believe I'm actually defending Megyn Kelly, but in this case at least she was all class
When he recognized she didn't want it they put on there clothes and watched tv......then he apologized the next day when he was told he went to far......where is the complaint???? Sounds like she is mad he is successful and isn't with her....
stop using the phrase "start the conversation" or "let's have a conversation." just say what you want to say without pretending there's some deeper conversation that can't fit into the program, as if you're holding back on something profound and deep.
Poor guy his career was never the same, you could Google his name and all the big things he did was before this, like hosting SNL to many movie roles all he has left is his tv show on a cable channel and his stand up.
Everyone's experience of reality is subjective. Memories are formed in the context of hormones, including adrenaline and cortisone, which are themselves released without our executive control. As neurology has found, we now know that memories are also altered each time we access them. Every time you remember your experience of an event, it's recreated from incomplete information, and then re-remembered as that recreation. But we're supposed to just take one person's account as the objective truth of the matter? That's what third-wave feminists want. In the court of public opinion as well as in the court of law. I'm sorry, but NO. That's now how this works. THAT'S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS.
Aziz admitted to it. Just stop already. The 'victim' himself did not deny the evil feminist's account of events. He just said he didn't realise how his actions made her feel.
Big Donnie Brumpf “We went out to dinner, and afterwards we ended up engaging in sexual activity, which by all indications was completely consensual.” That’s not admitting that her account/interpretation of events was accurate.
Devil's advocate: Does any of what you said apply with all the obscure accusations meted out against say Harvey Weinstein? Because they seem awfully similar. Harvey in his mind was 'making moves' with these women and to him it all seemed perfectly fine.
Davies Sidney It obviously does apply, to all human experience. The issue with Weinstein is that he was in a position of economic power over the people. So even if you assume that some of the encounters are a bit exaggerated, the less exaggerated version is still incredibly unethical and wrong.
First literally any girl in Hollywood is an aspiring actress so basically the employment-power dynamic with Harvey could apply in any possible instance with any girl he could have spoken to. Because say you are on a date and you are Harvey, can you realistically avoid that subject that you are a successful guy, or are you going to leverage that to endear yourself to your date? Especially since he is not the greatest looking guy. It's literally all we do as guys. It's required even by girls. You will be asked what you do on a date. And you will say something that hopefully picks your date's interest. Like Harvey, Aziz in this case has economic power. Let's cut the BS. He probably talked about his success in comedy and his books. My point is some people will take the offer to 'sell their souls' and some will buck it. And that is how it's been and is supposed to be. I just find it cheap that adults (most of whom from these claims seemingly agreed to 'sell their souls'), after reaping the benefits of making a deal with the devil, all of a sudden want to claim that they do not have the same psychological footing as other adults with whom they engage in sexual activity. If you are not physically incapacitated at the time sexual activity takes place, the onus should rest on you as an adult.
So pretty much playing "hard to get" is over in this era. If you think a woman isnt giving you vibes then as a man take it LITERALLY thats the case dont assume its the other. let her chase you.
Could’ve done without Megyn’s opportunistic comments where she felt she had to say she “ALWAYS extricated herself from those moments, but knows a lot of strong women who weren’t able to”...That is condescending towards other women! And this interview isn’t about what Megyn actually chose to do in those situations, that would be inappropriate content. Not professional. “Swipe Right culture and speed dating” Ashleigh hit it spot on, what a talented reporter to learn from
It was disgusting what he did, he is a guy who wanted to get laid. what else is new. But thats a bad date especially is you dont speak up. Non verbal cues are not how you make something clear.
Exactly what was disgusting in what he did? Stopping the minute she felt uncomfortable or replying back that he was concerned for her well being. And please stop with all guys want to get laid BS, cause girls want it just as bad.
Stories like this discourage me from approaching women in any other way besides friendly manner. Too scared to make a move if it means they have the power to destroy your life.
People act like women are stupid and helpless. Women need to be more assertive....the Aziz incident was not sexual assault nor was it sexual misconduct.
as a woman I feel for "Grace" but also feel its in and of the least partially her fault. If she was truly so uncomfortable why didn't she put her clothes back on and leave sooner. Or say "NO" louder, verbally right away. If her "story" is to be believed in its entirety as she told it. I'm not saying shes lying or excusing Ansari's behavior, if he was, as aggressive as she said, then that's dispicable. But it doesn't sound like she was being held against her will to me. And the whole thing about the wine "she wanted red but she wanted white" that really bothered me.
Believe your instinct when you notice red flags like this girl saying she wanted a certain wine ..... something about this story doesn’t seem right, I’m team aziz
men are usually expected to initial the sexual encounter how can a man do that safely without being labeled as a predator.am quite sure if i guy stops every 5 mins to ask a girl if she approves this will turn her off and come off as him being unconfident and a loser .women need to behave like adults , if your uncomfortable say no .problem solved
I don't know what these people are saying. If a man (doesn't matter if he's my husband for 100 years) puts his fingers down my throat, that man is no feminist. I'm with Megyn here.
Until quite recently people didnt all have help a phone call away in their pockets until recently... thats when it all changed, if you dont get up and leave now...thats on you.
If I was Grace at that time, police complaint would have been on, but then again it seems like the thing never really happened that is why there was no police complaint!!!
Expose these feminasties! Make them famous! Get out their names, occupation, family affairs, past dates, etc. Men need a black list of these hypocrites!!
I'm Team Aziz and Team Ashleigh here. It was a bad date, NOT #METOO.
maeflower522 But that's not what Ashleigh is saying. She completely disapproves of Aziz's actions, she just thinks the way it was reported was really sloppy.
what was wrong with azizs action, he took a woman home?
To be honest I'm still thinking about it, the lines are very blurry. Again, something that could've been clarified by coherent, articulate reporting. One thing is for sure, he does not deserve to have his career ruined because of this.
So did anyone actually #meetoo on aziz? A person did an interview saying her encounter with aziz. I'm not sure she #meetoo on aziz.
maeflower522 . i agree
You know what the biggest "non verbal cue" is? Getting up and leaving...
And not going back to their apartment in the first place.
Well that's too easy. Women want you to read their minds.
exactly shes ridiculous
This woman wants you to read her mind. Don't go saying all women have the same mindset. I agree this was no metoo moment, merely a girl who regretted an encounter.
EXACTLY lol
Look ladies, if you don’t want to do it, then say NO!! You don’t have to be “nice” or give “nonverbal cues”. Men can’t read our minds.
Aziz did NOTHING wrong! The so called "victim" here only came out and attacked him after he won an award, she should be ashamed of herself.
Bruh..
+Carter exactly how big does an ego have to be for an individual to feel qualified to speak for 3.5+ billion people m
Acharich Speaks lol
its always about the bills man. the very fact that the person is anonymous proves she didnt care that much about the actual movement, just money because of the snow ball affect liberals caused. her statement isnt real as far as im concerned.
Carter au
Thank you ASHLIEGH finally SOMEONE Speaking up,,
I agree with everything Ashleigh said, especially in regards to hookup culture.
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I like Ashleigh Banfield but can't stand Megyn Kelly.
I love that Megyn Kelly was trying to identify with her at the end. Beyond being anchors and having vaginas, they are nothing alike. Banfield has integrity, empathy, and courage having spoke out against the Iraq War to jeopardize her job, and here she's going against the grain too. Megyn Kelly is a sellout to the corporate agenda and a narcissist.
Tia Miles well don’t watch her then
I watch if there is a guest I want to see. I have watched her twice.
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Let's not forget that she contacted him afterwards and he apologized, after deep reflection. His full support for the #MeToo movement makes a lot of sense.
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He was right to apologize, not all misconduct is criminal
@Think Alike Subscribe together we Stonger she did nt say no...she said she gave non verbal cues
Right after he won that award. That woman is evil. #TeamAnzari
This is called a BAD DATE. Really appreciate Ashley's point of view.
Don't get me wrong - I believe in and support the me too movement and I take it VERY seriously. Which is why I think we need very clear definitions of what is miscommunication and what is assault. HUGE difference. As a woman who has raised two very respectful young men who want to honor women and never cross a boundary line, I want those lines to be very clear for them, so that there is NO question about what the women they date will or will not be okay with. Non-verbal communication is BS. Say NO, mean it, and LEAVE the situation if you don't like what's happening.
He was right to apologize
Not all misconduct is criminal
Why doesn't Grace release all of the text messages from the week prior to the date? How do we know she wasn't sexting him and saying that she wanted him to 'take control' or be aggressive? She shared his actions but not hers. She needs to come clean.
Good point!!
Good point, I was wondering the same thing along with why doesn't she come forward like many women did against trump, Cosby and weinstein instead of staying anonymous.
Good point, didn't thought about it.
Um because he admitted to it?
+Anirudh Bharadwaj so she can be harassed and hounded by random strangers online and irl? Isn't that the exact same thing people like you were saying about Cosby's victims when they came forward?
Team Ashleigh and Ansari. Sorry Megan, you are nothing like Ashleigh. Ashley is a classy , reliable and responsible journalist who seems very trustworthy. You seem like an opportunist.
J K I totally agree with you, the moment she realized she can’t take Ashleigh she man maneuvered.
Megyn, has every right to question her guest. It's what makes a good interview. She also brought up good points that gave Ashleigh a good opportunity to challenge.
Because she accepted the opportunity to make millions on NBC?
fully agree with every word you said, megyn detracts from the purpose
How is she an opportunist?
Team aziz and that compliment at the end got me
I read the entire article, and first of all she said she only gave off non verbal cues, and now apparently she gave off verbal cues as well? why lie to make aziz look worse than he is
Yeah, I was really lost when Megan keep alluding to her saying “no” repeatedly. Umm where and when? Also, a man putting his fingers in your mouth is not an unusual sexual move. There’s a purpose to it. She was acting beyond clueless. The Grace lady never used to word “shoving down my throat”, she said he kept stinking his fingers in her mouth and then to her woohoo, as she sat on the counter legs open. Megan was fox newsing the story up!
I'm just happy to see a mature dialogue between two people who have every right to have this conversation. I also appreciate Megyn challenging the guest to test her opinions. Its such a relief to not see two adults screaming at each other on TV
I am so moved by Megyn Kelly in this interview - she disagreed with some of Ashleigh's points in a respectful and diplomatic way so rarely seen on TV these days. I also love that she thanked Ashleigh for inspiring her and giving her the resolve to start her career. We need more people like this in the world right now.
That's because Megyn is not a leftist (which almost all media is) so she can respect that people have different opinions and can discuss it without resorting to ad hominem attacks.
Infovest True! I didn't mean to say that she was in power, but rather that she's a model of how people in positions of power should behave.
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I am not sure if Megyn truly disagree with Ashleigh as much as she appeared to be (a little bit for sure, but maybe not as much). It is part of a journalist's job to challenge the interviewee. It would be, otherwise, a horrible interview if Megyn agreed 100% of what Ashleigh said -- thus no counterpoint.
Unbelievable professionalism and the way a debate/conversation should be.
Ashleigh Banfield is spot on
They're so right, and with hookup culture, how can you expect two strangers to know each other's boundaries, without verbal communication.
That Megyn Kelly is not letting her speak, no wonder why people hate her
#TeamAziz 👊
The biggest thing about that story was that the MOMMENT she said she no longer wanted to engage, he stopped, politely called her a taxi and walked her out...these were her words.
Banfield and Megyn are on the different sides of the spectrum on this topic but they see to agree with each other to a certain extent.
And that's how we should be.. Gracefully agree / disagree when necessary..
Politico-ideologically: Sure.
But on this topic: Heck no!
It benefits Kelly's( no salutation!) Conservatism to defend cismale, which is imperative in this case. Although, not so much because he ain't no straight white cismale.
That's why there are lapses in her factual-accuracy.
And vice-versa with Ms Banfield.
MEGAN, MEGAN STOP,, ASLIEGH is making a POINT,,,the me too movement is going way to FAR!!! it was a bad DATE!!!!
violet Mulero I'm not sure you understood the point...that this incident is completely unrelated to the #metoo movement.
actually none of the ladies said that this babe.com-article was even trying to be a part of the#meetoo movement. I suggest you work on your hearing or something or just watch the clip again with a modicum of concentration!
Come on! Seriously there is even a debate about this!? This is called BAD DATE, period!
Grace, you're so lucky that you don't know what assault is. And Megyn, it sounds like you don't understand how things work on dates today. I'm disappointed in this story receiving attention. I believe we're damaging the movement and creating an environment where men can't win either. Let's focus on those people who have broken the law and go after them with the law.
Well..
Fourth-wave( read NOT third-wave) Feminists argue that's a “very low bar.”
Ladies, there are freaks out there in the world, men and women, who do some freaky stuff in the bedroom. I hate this comedian, but he did nothing wrong. So sad the way people are attacked for sport.
@Sam I bet this must've got to do with..
...What else?
Politics!
In this dating world, ladies we’ve got to set boundaries.
Megyn imo owned this conversation. She pointed out that Grace didnt mention the me too movement but just said aziz is a hypocrite for treating her badly on a sexual level and saying he’s a feminist.
Megyn really got it.
Bwahahahahaha, no!
In fact, her calling the cesspit with “dotcom” suffix was in itself a tell-tale sign that FOX® News genes* in her are still very active.
First of all, the guest successfully countered her point by saying that in this day-&-age of 'Bumbling Tinder', rules and understanding are different than was the case when they were young[ and even, MUCH of the famous Feminist literature was published].
Besides, Nierman( part of the accuser's real-life name) did actually wrapped it under "#MeToo". One doesn't have to be spelling out everything, there are ‘non-explicit verbal cues’ as well. And above all: She wasn't mudslinging him for the first-time! She in fact did it _via_ her attention-seeking tweet few months earlier from the story by mentioning his account/"handle" in her tweet with the hashtag "#metoo[ _sic_ ]".
*What else you got?*
Ashleigh Banfield made me proud in this interview. Not only did she share clear and decisive points of view but she challenged Kelly's views with the utmost eloquence and caused her to respectfully bow out of the conversation. Impressive!
PLEASE!!! IF that's assault then every date I've ever had as been a case of assault.
Agreed, I’m a women who had been on many uncomfortable dates. If this date was assault then I’d say most of my dates were assaults. However I always left when I didn’t like the situation. Well I guess I should get busy and statue texting all my bad dates to tell them I was assaulted
That was very nice and sweet to publicly thank Ashleigh for her inspiration.
*Team Banfield!*
Yeah, lets see all the text messages they sent each other!
The website posted all the text messages. Google it.
That thankyou speech at the end brought tears to my eyes
Read both stories before making an opinion or letting the press make one for you. Her side of the story and his side of the story.
Is it just me who observed that Megyn Kelly already had her opinion made up before listening to Ashleigh Banfield. Megyn not only didn't listened to Ashleigh but was OVER AGGRESSIVE in not letting Ashleigh speak and even MORE AGGRESSIVE in shoving her own opinions down Ashleigh's throat. The icing on this manipulated conversation cake was Magyn out of nowhere complementing Ashleigh that was totally irrelevant to the topic.
I would love to have a conversation about “strong women” who “were not strong enough to walk out,” as Megyn put it, and I would suggest if they are not strong enough to walk out of a situation like Grace described, specifically as Grace described, then that was never a strong woman to begin with.
Tentacle19 Well you sure ain't hearing all the stories you have been listening too then otherwise you would never say something as inane and simplistic as this . How's the view from up there ?
Sarah Penna If you disagree then explain why or how. Otherwise, just know no one knows even what your point is, other than a lame attempt to insult. If you had an experience similar to Grace’s, I understand why you would be angry at yourself. Privileged women who have become reliant on people anticipating & meeting their needs may be why this young immature woman is now learning she needs to take responsibility for her own well being. A tough lesson, but certainly not a situation of sexual misconduct. I could not be more pleased that we are finally having this conversation in our culture so that women like you can consider realities beyond your own. If you disagree, I would be interested in why, if you are able to respond in a mature and thoughtful way. Otherwise, grow up.
Tentacle19 If you need me to decipher all the articles, interviews, debates that have been airing since October last year ( & which have been covered up for decades, decades & decades) then it proves you are most definitely not " HEARING" . There are indeed hundreds of very strong women who , despite being been brave and courageous, have still experienced insidious backlash and abuse ( loss of careers, just to mention one etc ) And they are the strong ones ..... Let's not even get started on the voiceless most vulnerable in society ( cleaners, waitresses, basic wage employees ) trying to raise a family etc . Your simplistic whitewashing of selecting this ambiguous Grace case does prove to me that you are NOT hearing the core issue at stake . I am a v strong woman but I also recognise that , for a plethora of reasons , not all women can use their voice to ensure a just outcome . Even the cases that DO get to court are subjected to a litigious system that is inherently patriarchal and weighted in favour of the richest ( eg Cosby ) . Maybe 'strong' women have had enough and are reclaiming a bit of vigilante balance . And like any revolution & pendulum in history it picks up shades of grey .
Tentacle19 Because by going down this rabbit hole of semantics ( & 'tentacles' ) by citing very specific 'individual ' cases you only serve to muddy the waters of the all important bigger picture . I think Megyn did a v professional job of differentiating without losing sight of the big issue . You only need to scan the comments to see how many stone throwers & misogynists there are , ALWAYS poised & ready to cast shadow on the growing movement . Backlash 101 is always alive & kicking when it comes to women's issues and comments like 'strong women ' invites excuses to perpetually smudge the boundaries
Sarah Penna Megan said her guest had a good point, so in the end she agreed with what I and her guest said and will continue to say. And if you had any point it’s clear as mud. All I can see is that you are the “whitewasher” if you are still insisting Grace’s immature sexual experience was a result of misconduct. You mention a bigger picture, but don’t clearly say what that picture is and instead refer to other comments rather state your own.
Has his face posted all over the set like he's public enemy #1, lol
Interesting observation!
I was preoccupied with multiple facets of this that I simply couldn't.
I wonder that's a format of her show or is it a rarity?
I agree with Ashleigh and believe Aziz, but how are none of you talking about what Kelly said at 3:30 - that “it doesn’t sound like SA because he wasn’t her employer and they weren’t in the workplace”.
Team Aziz. Plus, do people understand that there is a big difference between allegation and proven guilty? What media told us is her narrative of the real incident. We gotta listen to both parties.
This is a great interview.
Team Aziz
Meagan Kelly named Ashley Banefield as a idol and the reason she got into television... Ugh I just threw up in my mouth!!!
Team Aziz here,
"Have a conversation" about whatever you want, but only mention names if that person has been found to be guilty. I'm really uncomfortable with the current "guilty until proven innocent" stance that everyone's taking. Even with Harvey Weinstein, was he actually charged before his name was splashed across every headline? It just irritates me that everything I thought I knew about the justice system is apparently not the case. You can accuse anyone publicly of anything without any proof to back up your claim. What's to stop me from telling a third-rate reporter that I was harassed by Chris Hemsworth?
Minty EXACTLY, that you can hardly EVER fix. I think she should be the one sued.
In fact, that “third-rate reporter” is not trained in journalism - she's just a college-graduate, so the question of "selling one's soul" doesn't even arise.
If you feel you’ve been assaulted, report it.
If you feel you’ve been violated, say so.
Victims of abuse often under react and then over react, and it’s because they don’t listen to their gut feelings- they’ve never learned it but it’s part of being an adult to learn it!
Some people also don’t read social cues well, and sadly need you to be very direct about boundaries. I hope this helps someone out there.
Guys, don't bring them up to your place until you clear clarification from the woman. Period.
Or women can say something lol
God even clarifies that women can be confusing...what chance do we have?
lol true!
Myentertainment Troy The most confusing people I've known are men.. we're all confusing, equality! That being said, I've made complaints for years that women are too passive (as a whole) because they are expected to be, but that this perpetuates an unhealthy culture. I get harassed REGULARLY by dudes I don't know. First thing I think is that they probably think it's perfectly OK. That assumption is primarily based on their particular response to accountability tho, and I really try not to lump all men together. I've seen dude friends harassed by women in the same way, but somehow it's more acceptable. Idk. Really I guess my point is people are people, and I don't want to lump large groups together to fight against one another. I don't think that helps anyone, but seems to be what happens more often than not. And I think people as a whole are confusing. But I think it's good that everyone is having this conversation, however frustrating and blurred the lines may be.
Equality means you gain and you suffer lose equally. Women want the gains, which is understandable, but they do not want the losses that comes along with it. When you desire power, there is the good side of that and the bad, but women only see the good side of it. One day they will get the power they seek, but it will not be what they think. Martha Stewart tasted a bit of that when she went to jail. As far as men being confusing, we do have our days when we do things that do not make sense, but usually it's straight forward, but women can do and say almost anything and the world will back her up. When we invite you to our apartment at night after drinks, we think that is being straight forward to the point, but as we can see now, that is not the case.
I have 2 sons that will be out there in the mix, and I have been teaching them to NOT move forward unless the female SAYS "come at me, bro"
This is a great interview!
Wow I must say that was surprising! I expected megan to act totally differently!! That was very professional and the last part made Ashleigh emotional and I bet she needed that sweet gesture.
Well we may never know what she really thought! Am not a megyn kelly fan either but at least she wasn't bashing Ashleigh like the other hypocrites on tv who are shaming her for speaking her mind!
not really! unless if you're a mind reader!!But whatever.
I'm with Aziz on this one.
Thank you Ashleigh! I have seen through some difficult times and I would be appalled when the movement is ruined because it gets categorised under the wrong context!
Good call Ashleigh
Superb conversation !
Isn't this the "White Santa" lady?
And she's the "White Jesus" lady too!
Santa is Cambodian.....This is a FACT.......Check Snopes and Politifact. White racists stole the Santa story and Megyn is soooo very very racist
@harrydarling1 Are attempting a jonk? 🤔
Did Grace never learn the English language in school growing up?
Kinda cool to see CNN and FOX together here. This is how it should be. Professional, courteous and respectful.
#MeToo just got MeToo'd. 👌
In her account Grace said that she was uncomfortable at dinner... so if she was uncomfortable why go back to his apartment? She could have nipped this in very beginning.
Exactly! She also complained about him not having red wine at his apartment and him not rubbing her shoulders and stroking her hair to make her feel better...
It was sad that they stopped abruptly when the debate or conversation just reached the most sensitive and controversial core, and started to pay each other personal compliments.
🤷
Ashleigh, You were spot on with comments!!! A woman has to be strong enough to not only say no when she is uncomfortable, but to get up and Leave!!
Megyn needs to stop being a victim all her life
GO ASHLEIGH!!! THANK YOU for speaking the truth for those of us that don't have the platform that you do. YOU are and always have been a true reporter that deserves respect for all that you have done in your 30 years of reporting.
Yeah, her message is 'Santa is white'.
Bwahahahahaha!
Ashleigh Banfield respect to you for not painting all men in the same colors.
What did she expect? Just say no and walk out.
Whether we agree with the Aziz Ansari being bad or good or just normal; whether we agree politically or not with Megyn or Alshleigh, one thing is irrefutable: This is what journalists look like and this is what a conversation between reputable journalists looks like. I'm all for independent organizations getting more clicks and recognition than big organizations that are often either biased or controlled by powerful agents, but at least these independent organizations should be held accountable for what they publish and how they publish and the way that they can shape conversations. we live in a world where whether you write for Babe or New York Times you can have a huge impact on the conversation, and that is why it is important, especially for smaller independent publications to follow ethical guidelines when they publish. The Babe publication and the writer Katie whatsherface, were extrememly provocative, extremely careless with condemning a man without evidence on the public court, and extremely rude to a fellow, much more senior and experienced journalist. That email that she wrote about Ashleigh, her makeup and her hair, is disgusting. The way Megyn and Ashleigh are interacting here, even though they may disagree on some points, that's how reputable journalists act like. (And I can't believe I'm actually defending Megyn Kelly, but in this case at least she was all class
When he recognized she didn't want it they put on there clothes and watched tv......then he apologized the next day when he was told he went to far......where is the complaint???? Sounds like she is mad he is successful and isn't with her....
This was a beautiful interview
A bad date or dis satisfaction is not sexual harassment
stop using the phrase "start the conversation" or "let's have a conversation." just say what you want to say without pretending there's some deeper conversation that can't fit into the program, as if you're holding back on something profound and deep.
Poor guy his career was never the same, you could Google his name and all the big things he did was before this, like hosting SNL to many movie roles all he has left is his tv show on a cable channel and his stand up.
Loved the compliment of empowerment at the end!
She willingly went up to his room.
Hey Megyn Kelly, every time you say that websites name on air the bad guys win.
I think "Grace" has some plot holes in her statement that I felt that needs her response.
Everyone's experience of reality is subjective. Memories are formed in the context of hormones, including adrenaline and cortisone, which are themselves released without our executive control. As neurology has found, we now know that memories are also altered each time we access them. Every time you remember your experience of an event, it's recreated from incomplete information, and then re-remembered as that recreation.
But we're supposed to just take one person's account as the objective truth of the matter? That's what third-wave feminists want. In the court of public opinion as well as in the court of law. I'm sorry, but NO. That's now how this works. THAT'S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS.
Aziz admitted to it.
Just stop already.
The 'victim' himself did not deny the evil feminist's account of events. He just said he didn't realise how his actions made her feel.
Big Donnie Brumpf “We went out to dinner, and afterwards we ended up engaging in sexual activity, which by all indications was completely consensual.”
That’s not admitting that her account/interpretation of events was accurate.
Devil's advocate: Does any of what you said apply with all the obscure accusations meted out against say Harvey Weinstein? Because they seem awfully similar. Harvey in his mind was 'making moves' with these women and to him it all seemed perfectly fine.
Davies Sidney It obviously does apply, to all human experience. The issue with Weinstein is that he was in a position of economic power over the people. So even if you assume that some of the encounters are a bit exaggerated, the less exaggerated version is still incredibly unethical and wrong.
First literally any girl in Hollywood is an aspiring actress so basically the employment-power dynamic with Harvey could apply in any possible instance with any girl he could have spoken to. Because say you are on a date and you are Harvey, can you realistically avoid that subject that you are a successful guy, or are you going to leverage that to endear yourself to your date? Especially since he is not the greatest looking guy. It's literally all we do as guys. It's required even by girls. You will be asked what you do on a date. And you will say something that hopefully picks your date's interest. Like Harvey, Aziz in this case has economic power. Let's cut the BS. He probably talked about his success in comedy and his books. My point is some people will take the offer to 'sell their souls' and some will buck it. And that is how it's been and is supposed to be.
I just find it cheap that adults (most of whom from these claims seemingly agreed to 'sell their souls'), after reaping the benefits of making a deal with the devil, all of a sudden want to claim that they do not have the same psychological footing as other adults with whom they engage in sexual activity. If you are not physically incapacitated at the time sexual activity takes place, the onus should rest on you as an adult.
So pretty much playing "hard to get" is over in this era. If you think a woman isnt giving you vibes then as a man take it LITERALLY thats the case dont assume its the other. let her chase you.
team aziz all the way.
Megyn Kelley just quoted Dr. Phil... I'm not sure how reliable this reporting is
Could’ve done without Megyn’s opportunistic comments where she felt she had to say she “ALWAYS extricated herself from those moments, but knows a lot of strong women who weren’t able to”...That is condescending towards other women! And this interview isn’t about what Megyn actually chose to do in those situations, that would be inappropriate content. Not professional. “Swipe Right culture and speed dating” Ashleigh hit it spot on, what a talented reporter to learn from
It was disgusting what he did, he is a guy who wanted to get laid. what else is new. But thats a bad date especially is you dont speak up. Non verbal cues are not how you make something clear.
Exactly what was disgusting in what he did? Stopping the minute she felt uncomfortable or replying back that he was concerned for her well being. And please stop with all guys want to get laid BS, cause girls want it just as bad.
As soon as a woman says no I will stop. Hormones can easily mess up reading non-verbal signals.
Zeyna Nd what disgusting thing did he do?? be unbiased and think about it logically
mad mad world.
That's right Ash ur always on top of it(professional,gutsy)always talk the talk n walk the walk!Hip2 hooray;)*!!!!
So now we are believing EVERYTHING on the Internet??? #NotMe
Holy Amen!
Stories like this discourage me from approaching women in any other way besides friendly manner. Too scared to make a move if it means they have the power to destroy your life.
People act like women are stupid and helpless. Women need to be more assertive....the Aziz incident was not sexual assault nor was it sexual misconduct.
Megyn Kelly's reporting next to Ashleigh Banfield is mediocre at best. She was unable to keep up with Ashleigh Banfield.
Women don't tolerate bad men, Men always respect women. Metoo is too call out bad men, not all men.
as a woman I feel for "Grace" but also feel its in and of the least partially her fault. If she was truly so uncomfortable why didn't she put her clothes back on and leave sooner. Or say "NO" louder, verbally right away. If her "story" is to be believed in its entirety as she told it. I'm not saying shes lying or excusing Ansari's behavior, if he was, as aggressive as she said, then that's dispicable. But it doesn't sound like she was being held against her will to me. And the whole thing about the wine "she wanted red but she wanted white" that really bothered me.
Believe your instinct when you notice red flags like this girl saying she wanted a certain wine ..... something about this story doesn’t seem right, I’m team aziz
men are usually expected to initial the sexual encounter how can a man do that safely without being labeled as a predator.am quite sure if i guy stops every 5 mins to ask a girl if she approves this will turn her off and come off as him being unconfident and a loser .women need to behave like adults , if your uncomfortable say no .problem solved
I don't know what these people are saying. If a man (doesn't matter if he's my husband for 100 years) puts his fingers down my throat, that man is no feminist. I'm with Megyn here.
Until quite recently people didnt all have help a phone call away in their pockets until recently... thats when it all changed, if you dont get up and leave now...thats on you.
If I was Grace at that time, police complaint would have been on, but then again it seems like the thing never really happened that is why there was no police complaint!!!
Aziz ansari is so unattractive...ugh Maybe she realised it later?
Ashleigh Banfield is hawt !!
As in??? 🤔
Um she said no, and he stopped. Isn't that what we all want?
Ashleigh is a very attractive, intelligent women.
Do a simple Google search and "Grace" isn't anonymous anymore.
Expose these feminasties! Make them famous! Get out their names, occupation, family affairs, past dates, etc. Men need a black list of these hypocrites!!
Dang..
...And the intent behind notifying it is? 🤔
Aziz should change his moves , sticking your finger in a girl's throat is disgusting I will feel uncomfortable you will feel uncomfortable.