Where does this "relate to" element come from. I thought ppl saw the story of an unwell man and could see how a lack of mental healthcare can cause problems down the line. @@FlockofSmeagles
@@maverickmic Arthur's fundamental need was to be seen and heard by others. I'm not saying that what transpires in the film is right or justified. I'm pointing out that there's an element of truth there. Which is that society at large is insensitive to woes of a lesser man.
I was indeed, salty. The musical piece i could ignore but the ending and what they did to joker was such a travesty. I honestly felt bad for joaquin phoenix. He didnt deserve that at all. He truly could of taken the mantle of joker in to the next batman movie, timeline be damned.
@@xv9021 Joaquin Phoenix does NOT want to be the joker in a batman movie, you (and many others) just want him to be. You don't have to feel bad for him. He's a hugely in-demand actor who is much more stoked to be in a unique and subversive film. And he gets what he friccin deserves :) Which, again, he is definitely happy with. He was never really the Joker, he was Arthur Fleck. That's a massive plot point of the movie.
It made over $100 mm at the foreign box office. Depends what you mean by “earned”, because it lost money but its revenues are almost certainly more than what Ryan made from this YT upload….
To be fair, a lot of musicals *are* tragedies but it's usually intentionally so. This movie is more like the DC version of that cursed _Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark_ play.
And it was supposed to be a video you'd watch after the film, but now a lotta ppl watch the PM instead of the film (the right way to do it with the quality of the latest things on tv and theaters)
Yea I get it, however... well let's be real, when the movie industry has fallen to the degree it has their isn't anything that can be done about it, when the movie industry is all but a parody of what it was, their is nothing to really joke about since the movie is a joke in and off itself, its hard to find humor in the sheer insane stupidity of whoever the Hell is in charge nowadays. You see a good joke is a joke because its not real, but when reality has become more absurd than fiction their is nothing left to laugh about, because its entirely real, thus its fact, and fact frankly aren't really funny, see if its fictional its funny because it contrast with reality, but if its factual their is nothing to contrast with so its if anything disturbing.
@@lydiahood7725you are a master of saying the same thing 3 times, slightly differently each time, it’s like you said one thing once then you said it again it using different words, it’s strange how often some people…like you, make an interesting point about a certain issue, but then you ruin the point by mentioning it over and over again.
as someone who has not seen the movie but is instead watching the pitch meeting i can confirm that watching some people talk about it is indeed more fun than watching it
But how can you even say that it's more fun than watching the movie if you've never seen the movie so you can't even know what it's like to see the movie? Not saying you should go see it but in terms of this comment you contradict yourself in a major way.
@@Rx37LegacySo a product whose purpose is to entertain and make profit is not suppose to entertain and make profit. Thats like saying the purpose of this bicycle is not for your enjoyment or to get you from point A to point B.
@@nengyang1895 Well the movie wasn't riddled with THE MESSAGE and had a straight white male in the lead, and we all know we can't have that sort of thing these days...
@@nengyang1895 It seems similar to with Fight Club, where people won't acknowledge liking it unless they can take a shot at all the people who apparently liked it for the wrong reasons. If you say you like Fight Club without that disclaimer you're an incel chud or something, whatever the derogatory buzzword of the day is. Can't just like a movie for being well-made and entertaining and leave it at that.
It's strange that they would turn the sequel into a musical. Imagine The Matrix 2 as a musical or The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King as a musical. It's an odd decision.
I've seen it. The first half at least. I couldn't make it all the way through; it was just too unbearable. The first 33 minutes of the movie are actually really really good. Then, out of nowhere, it turns into a full-blown musical and the progression of the story just drops completely.
It's kinda refreshing to have a video where the creator doesn't try to sell you anything, talk about their socials, or talks about their other projects by the end of it. Just a "Hi, I made this. Bye"
are you new here? also whats wrong with trying to make something special with ones life? if someone offered you a million dollars you would take it but you wouldn't have the courage to work for it i.e create courses or ask for a sponsor etc
The last few minutes are the worst. I can forgive the musical sections, they're meant to be his delusions. He's "on stage" and the center of attention, so it fits even if poorly done. I can forgive the poor writing, sequels are often like that. The story is paper thin and nowhere near as pointed as the first. I can forgive every issue until that last bit. The last few minutes are a culmination of every bad habit the film had, except one. There wasn't a musical section at the end.
@@ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs): they didn't have him musical his way into an out of body experience to the heavens ending with a fade to black? Like if you're going to suck go full ham
@@ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs The last bit of Joker: Folie a Deux's biggest compliment being "It doesn't have a musical section" speaks to the film's true... awfulness
Each time another song played someone got up and left. I thought at first they were just going to the toilet but definitely started to notice they weren't coming back. The ones who stayed you could hear definite groans each time a musical number appeared .
So to sum it up: The songs don't contribute, Harley never loved Arthur, Arthur gets killed unceremoniously, Arthur was never the Joker in the first place and a random guy becomes the Joker? Damn am I glad I never watched the movie.
dont watch it. I'm serious. It is not even "the room" style movie so bad it is good. It is just extremely boring and bad. When Joker said "stop singing!" every single person who watch it think "hell yeah". They even manage to waste ending.Even if you cut all songs, it is not much of a story. Nothing really happens. When bomb exploded, and joker leave court with joker fanboys, i think "yeah, they finally start the riot, and arthur return as full joker" but nah.
The Harley thing was actually quite interesting, a good role reversal of her being the manipulative one. In a different film it would've been excellent, but it never really went anywhere, nor did the film. The whole film was a bit pointless really, though the one scene with Joker in was great
Yes, that was the aim of the film, to give a slap in the face to all those who had idolized a killer like in the first joker. Art does not always have to be accommodating.
My favourite part was when Joker said It's Joker Folie a Deux time and then Jokered follied a deuxed all over the place. I noticed nobody did a morbius gag yet. No comment section should be without a morbius gag. Apparently.
"People liked the movie about how theres a pretty severe mental health crisis, and a lack of proper treatment can go very badly... and we took offense to that."
I love it when I go onto RUclips thinking "I need a pitch meeting to pick me up, I don't even care if I've seen it before." and there's a new pitch meeting just waiting for me at the top of my feed.
@@cherkovision Positivity was banned on the internet around 2018, did you not get the email? Some people don't get how sometimes the smallest things can really help someone.
When i was a kid i looked forward to trailers before films, then when i became an adult i looked forward to going to the cinema on my own, now i just look forward to Pitch Meetings on RUclips.
Usually trailers these days show too much Joker 2 showed far too little As in omitting all the excess musical numbers the audience would be subjected to
This guy's whole pitch meeting bit I'd the funniest, long-running comedy schtick on RUclips. Not just because it is funny as hell & I laugh every time I watch, but the way he's developed various punchlines into long-running inside jokes with the audience is something quite rare/unique.
Remember that Scrubs episode where the patient had a condition and experienced everything as a musical? That was a really good episode. I'm gonna go watch that again and never think of this thing ever again.
I remember a few years ago, Willem Dafoe said he was interested in being in a joker sequel, like as a rival to Arthur. We could’ve had that, but instead, Todd Phillips went with…. This.
Willem Dafoe would have played it perfectly. I would have paid double the admission price, so long as the script didn't suck....as in, it wasn't a musical. I think Hollywood collectively just orders shipments of cocaine for the movie directors and they come up with increasingly terrible ideas since they destroyed their neurons
fun fact: the director of this movie, Todd Phillips, literally went onto a secluded ranch during the weekend of the movie's release. He knew how bad it was going to be.
@@astormofwrenches5555 We don't need movies like the first one in the world to begin with. I somewhat appreciate Phillips trying to undo the damage he did to the world.
@@Kiyoone Seriously, I definently think he made it bad on purpose but I thought it was a middle finger to the studio execs for forcing him to make a sequel. If he did it to spite fans, dude is hurting his own career.
You know something? There’s an interest story in there with Arthur not being nearly as awesome as people think he is due to the Joker persona and he ultimately ends up not being capable of living up to that Persona. By the end of the movie, the violent movement he started kills him for not living up to the Joker persona.
@@wisehippo3072 No it is pretty lame and so is the singing. People sympathized with the plight of the joker in the first movie and that made the director and actors angry because the people didn't think the way they wanted them to so they called them names and when that didn't work they threw a tantrum and tried to destroy the character to get back at the people that sympathized with him because they weren't supposed to do that. You are trying to pretend it is something else because you think it makes you special because you are different and unique when in reality you are just slow and up your own butt.
@@wisehippo3072 No, it's extremely lame. It's lamer than a pocket protector and thick cokebottle glasses. It's Hollywood apologizing to itself for offending itself. It's lame squared, and so is the idea that this "movie" had any positive qualities.
If treated with the sense of weight and gravitas it deserves it could be a solid way to decisively tie up the tragedy that is Arthur's story. Man abandoned by society finds solace in a violent movement, only for the ever escalating violence of the movement and pressure of his own role within that movement to be too much to live up to. Ultimately resulting in Arthur getting eaten by the same movement he helped ferment in an attempt to make his life better, well the mantle of joker is taken up by someone else to emphasize how part of Arthur's tragedy is that he was easily replaceable by any number of other people. That no one ever cared for Arthur, they only cared for the joker. But then you could also do that without insulting your audiences intelligence.
I just saw the movie yesterday. The goosebumps moment for me was when Harley said "No he can't read my Jokerface". Everybody stood up and clapped. Or maybe I imagined this. But then - why are my palms so sore?
I feel like a lot of the time directors don’t so much hate the fans of a movie than they’re like, “I want to make MY movie and I hate the fact that I’m obligated to include characters and plot lines from another movie.” (Which seems to happen a lot with new directors, but also seems to happen to some who also directed the original). For Joker specifically, however, the director does actually hate the fans of the original and made the second one as a purposeful middle finger to them, which succeeded, I guess? It just seems so petty to actively make a sequel that fans of the original will despise, while also ending up with a movie that ultimately no one will like.
I watched this movie a couple of days ago with my family. We were all kinda worried about all the negative reviews that had come out, but we decided to give it a shot anyways. We should have listened 🙃
I took a 100 dollar bill the other day and burnt it. It was probably more enjoyable for me to do that than for you to watch the movie. At least it didn't take as long I suppose.
I usually avoid Pitch Meetings to movies I haven't seen. This is one I'm happy to break the streak for - thanks for saving me $12 and however long the Joker 2 runtime is, Ryan!
But... you know he does get paid for watching the movie and making a pitch out of it. Worse a movie is the better it is for him as he can rip it to shread.
I love that you are able to be relentless and never back down unlike seemingly everyone else... but at the same time you somehow manage to come out as wholesome every single time. You are completely unique
*WELL* .....lol, USUALLY doesn't back down -if memory serves: he's gone extra soft on a couple of the worst most offensive movies/tv shows like She-Hulk and similar just to avoid the polarizing firestorm around them 😅. *ALMOST never back down, yes, but he has had a couple confusing ones where he refused to touch massive criticisms levied consistently by most people against the movie/tv show and really tiptoed through what should have been a fun time stepping on every ugly landmine like they're a fireworks show. Nobody's perfect, though, and Rye-Rye better matches that claim than damn near anyone 👍.
@@inventgineer he doesn't need to join the Fandom Menace, I think everything has its place. And if you compare Ryan with, say, Honest Trailers... well that's embarrassing for them
3:05 "I dont like how it feels to hurt people." Said The Guy who traumatized an entire live studio audience and laughed thinking about Thomas and Martha being dead
The amount of medication and therapy needed to get Arthur to that point after what happened in the first movie would take years … but alas, a couple of songs get everyone down.
Lee knows about the stairs because she moved into Arthur's building and that's where the stairs were. She doesn't have to know about his dance routine there to expect him to show up there, as the police at the foot of the stairs also did, since he basically returned back to his home.
Ive had my own insane conspiracy that all the hater/review channels are themselves owned by Disney/WB/etc. They deliberately create bombs as feedstock for their RUclips review empire
I've only ever done it once. Casual Sex? was bad enough that the whole group I was with just decided to leave. I don't remember the movie any more, just the title. We weren't the only ones.
I went to see uncut gems and got bored and annoyed with characters that I didn't care at all how movie end. But I went with some friends and didn't want to ask them if they wanted to leave. Turns out we all hated the movie and wanted to leave but in case one of us enjoyed movie we decided to keep it in. That was a hard learnt lesson.
I was at a screening of Drawing Restraint 9. After an hour and a half of being excruciatingly slow, the film got so messed up that about half the audience left. The scene in that film is two characters using knives to remove their human flesh as part of a metamorphosis into whales. It takes some work for a film to be so horrible that what's on-screen overrides the sunk cost fallacy.
I feel they were onto something with the core concept Joker meets Harely in Arkham. Romance between the two. Joker is about to be brought for trial Bomb frees Joker mid trial and Joker frees Harley. It would’ve been a great…1st act. With the rest of the movie falling the two on their maddened crusade. They could even have a musical number or two to really draw home how insane the pair is. Like imagine a scene where they’re holding a crowd of people hostage killing them one by one. The camera cuts between their POV (extremely romantic, colorful, filled with music) and the hostages POV watching these monsters sing horribly out of tune poorly dance and awkwardly kiss before putting a bullet in the head of a hostage. It would be so cool to see and really play into their warped perception of events and reality as we watch Arthur and Harley’s rise to prominence in the criminal underworld
I agree, with the way the first ended with who could have been Jack Nicolson's Joker, it makes sense that Arthur would do exactly what you suggested, get unceremoniously taken out, and then this spawns new Joker factions and this becomes the series of Jokers we know from other movies.
Never seen someone hate his own fans as much as Todd Phillips. I mean if you didn't want people to be fans of the first Joker movie or like your movie in any way, why did you even make the first movie then?
Only possible reason for this is that the rich are becoming so scared that society will rise up against them, and and think movies like this will inspire us so they sat Todd down and payed him a lot of money to make the character as pitiful and boring as possible. Or he just hates his fans. It's either of that
Well, maybe he just expected a different audience. There's a game called Class of '09 and a few weeks ago the creator released a god awful sequel that was a middle finger to the fanbase that he explicitly dislikes. It happens.
They humiliated the character of Joker, tried to treat the audience like idiots, wasted the opportunity to make this version of Harley more distinct, prison grape the guy just to spite the folks who said they identified with the character and unceremoniously kill off the character on the same steps that became the highlight of the first movie. This feels like less than a quick character assassination, and more like them being brutally assaulted repeatedly.
@@olisk-jy9rz Ah, I mean the digs at Capitalism and corporate culture they had, not the feminism. Is it weird that I remember that over all the feminism?
Ngl i thought this might've been one of those bad movies that get entirely forgotten about even from people talking about the first movie. Like how nobody ever mentions any Starship Troopers film beyond the first one so basically only fans even know that more than one exist.
There were a couple musicals that comic book fans liked. "Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog" and one episode of "Batman: the Brave and the Bold". But those were, you know, fun.
Darn, I always wanted to watch it, and I think I never did, or I forgot about the story. Thanks for the reminder. We have idol anime in anime, btw. The combination of robots making music also works great, e.g. Vivy or Sing A Bit Of Harmony.
@@iambicpentakill971 Lexx also had one, but this show was more niche, and only season 1 (the movies) are really good, aside from maybe a very few episodes later including the musical.
Wooooooow. So they wanted to tie in Heath Ledger's Joker into Todd Philip's first Joker movie? The original plan had Joaquin Phoenix's Joker cut his own face?
I really appreciate you acknowledging that it seems super obvious that this sequel was meant to punish fans for liking the first movie. Everything about it, the title, casting, musical numbers, the story, it was all meant to destroy the first film by being completely repulsive to the fans of the first film. Yet a lot of the "media" seems to have trouble acknowledging this because no one in Hollywood would own up to it.
if this is the case i have to respect the creator for it, not because i think trolling fans is good but because they're just collateral in him trolling the stupid greedy money men at the top of the hollywood food chain into funding his stunt
But what is the point of that exactly, sure the first had a lot of problematic fans, but it made up for it by actually being good so that people who dont idiolize arthur can still appreciate it, this isn't the case here, this movie doesnt really appeal to much, the og audience hates this direction, and the general audience will just find a boring pretentious mess of a film that treats itself as more than it is
Yeah, why would the people at the helm do that? That movie costed millions of dollars and Hollywood people like having the dollars instead of wasting them.
The first move was basically the comic book version of Falling Down. And you can’t have the protagonist of a movie being an angry beat down white guy anymore. So they had to destroy the character.
Admittedly, really should have seen this coming, as we know what happened with the Hangover films. The first one was legit, but the other two just felt like hate letters to the fact that he was stuck trying to make it fresh again.
And yet, somehow, not surprising. I mean, it's Hollywood. They've been doing SA-for-drama (and for a whole lot of other things, let's be real) for a century now.
@@Jack_the_Rizzler69 ok bro. I don’t know what you’re yapping about, but I wasn’t giving you free space to spout your incel hate about women. It’s a bad choice, but it has nothing to do with women literally at all.
@@randomizedindividual Well, explaining jokes make the joke less funny if you ask me, but basically, the fact he pronounces "Folie à deux" in a French-accurate way (and you can tell the struggle and efforts he puts on it), then the fact very true fact that most American viewers will pronounce it differently, and then the justification given to why the title of this sequel is in French. All of that makes it quite a funny gag.
@@sirbig8292 Ah, I didn't know he was Canadian or even fluent in French, thanks for the information. Well, he doesn't say it exactly like à native French of course but the effort makes the pronounciation pretty close
@@jsmith498Exactly I'm most sure why people don't get this and how it's meant to be deeper! Than they think. Especially when some do those whining about the first film were like hey he can't be The Joker cos Bruce is only a kid he'd be a geriatric Joker, like well shit man maybe that's part of the reason they did this or maybe Todd always intended it to be that Arthur isn't The Joker but the pre Joker. Which is what we see. We literally see The Joker being born at the end of at least that's what they are going with.
@@francesconicoletti2547 that also of course but the way it's portrayed is that Arthur was merely the initial spark and inspiration but the actual Joker was born at the end from the violence.
No it was an f you to Nolan who was the reason the first movie was not a shit show like this one because he prevented him from doing stuff like this. He had the option to get advice from Gunn and Safran that offered help and notes but he ignored it. All he wanted was to give a big f to all the fans of the first movie, his bosses and Nolan. An to be fair he got that done. His work is so bad it drags down everybody who had anything to do with it.
umm... while many things are comic booky and don't make that much sense, the musical part actually makes sense. Arthur in his head lived in TV shows in the first one. In this one he saw a girl singing and pretty much that's it, now he is in musicals. The one where he sings as the Joker in his imagination is one of the best scenes in the movie IMHO. Also, the explosion that just came out of nowhere was something I've been waiting for the whole movie, but I thought they would set him free and make him their leader. They wanted to, but he didn't want to. So I don't feel like that came out of nowhere, it would have been strange if nothing like that would have happened. That was the continuation of the revolution that you were missing, it was just under control by now, mostly. As for the stairs, there is constant mention of a TV movie they made about him and Lee mentions the stairs the first time they talk how she grew up around there, so obviously the stairs made it into that TV movie. But also, we don't know what's real and what is not. IMHO Lee is only real as so far as he saw her singing while practicing. After that everything else is in his imagination. The guards wouldn't let her into the solitary confinement. She knows too much. When he gives up being the Joker, he also leaves her behind by finding her on those stairs. These things don't seem real at all unfortunately. Unfortunately, because I would have liked it if his son was real and became the Joker after his father. Bruce Wayne is a kid here, so he would be 30 something when Joker's son would be in his twenties. It's still a possibility, after all this is a comic book in an imaginary world, so all of the above don't have to be impossible. So IMHO, while this movie has multiple possible interpretations, like the better movies usually do, it wasn't nonsensical at all and had fewer plot holes than 99% of the hollywood productions. I also wanted them to make a full Joker movie where he is this insane criminal mastermind, but honestly, we have seen many of those and none of these. I also almost stopped watching when I realized this was a musical (and I like musicals, but this isn't good as a musical and it doesn't fit), but I'm glad I kept watching, for me this was just as good as the first one, if not better. edit: One more: Arthur realizing he doesn't like hurting people. That's not as strange as you made it out to be. he only hurt people who he thought deserved it. And that was the first time that someone who was close to him, whom he liked (he was the only person who was nice to him) told him how much he hurt him and also told him that those he hurt on purpose didn't deserve what he did to them. It was obvious that hit him like a truck and turned him around to remorse. This whole movie, the whole arc, both parts together feel like a loose adaptation of Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment. (Very loose, but what the character goes through is similar, but sparkled with a touch of complete disconnection from reality). This is the first Pitch Meeting where I feel like you misunderstood the movie. But it seems most people did.
"It was dumb for them to be fans of Joker/Star Wars/Star Trek/Lord of the rings/Indiana Jones/The Crow/Aliens/etc in the first place". Amazing how that sentence seems to showcase the thoughts of most movie studio's these days. That and "We hate the fans but love their money."
@@iambicpentakill971 I find it incredibly optimistic to believe that the executives who want this sort of thing don't just hire the writers and directors who want the turd piles.
............🤨......yeaaaaaa.............that is, indeed, the joke he just made. Why? I.....I don't get this comment: why take a joke......and merely double the words, removing the cleverness and pithiness, all in the course of explaining away the humor from an obvious joke to the audience 😅. *Comedian:* "So then *I* said, of COURSE the bear was wearing a hat, we all know bears often wear human clothes! 😄" (cue audience laughter) *You in comments (sorry mate, def don't hate ya, just making a point, lol):* "You know what the really interesting thing is, when you really stop to think about it, guys? Bears don't wear hats! They don't even wear ANY human clothes! God, it's amazing how Comedian was able to brilliantly discover this fact and then actively mislead us despite it. Using a pretty novel line of thinking, he is making fun of a trend in something. Turns out: it was actually a joke making fun of bears and human clothing! You never would've guessed!" (crickets, lol 😅)
The point of the first movie was him becoming The Joker, and it ended with him taking on the mantle of The Joker. After all, it was an origin movie for The Joker. So it makes no sense (both in universe, and from a behind-the-scenes perspective) why this film flat-out stated that Arthur Fleck isn't The Joker in this universe.
I dont mind that we didnt get him as the joker, but if they wanted to do that, then they should have just killed him off after his crash with the car after he shot murray in the first movie, implying that through his death "it made more sense ,than his life" and through the clown revolution its implied joker was born in the chaos, while Bruce is leading down the path of being batman. The sequel pretty much reverts him back to him just being arthur WHEN HIM DOING THE BLOOD SMILE shows us that he killed that part of him. They could have made the sequels be a whole anthology series where we see the message anyone could be the joker through their one bad day, and instead we got depressed Arthur falling in love with a "harley quinn" who has no traits of harley quinn but for marketing reasons is, and a court case that just rehashes the same scenes from the last movie just being told to us from another persons pov.
My guess is they figured there was no way to get Joaquin Phoenix to say yes to any more of these movies so they wanted a cheap way to "pass the torch" so they could continue to milk the Joker indefinitely. WB has this habit and pre-planning ways to milk a franchise down the road but then forget to make the entry in front of them any good.
I recently discovered that a lot of these movies' budgets go into paying Sony and Warner for licensed music. I'm happy they're wasting so much of their ill-gotten gains.
@@TheNotoriousMrDeeI thought of that at several points lol “I’m sure they paid a shit ton for these classic songs to interrupt the tension that was almost building”
In my head I am picturing a pitch meeting between the studio and Todd Phillips where Phillips REALLY doesn’t wanna do it, but is too polite to say no and so instead (and as an obvious joke) he says that he would only do it if they quadruple his budget and let him turn his serious drama about mental illness into a musical and have Lady Gaga sing it.
@@chromesucks5299 also WB didn't have faith in the first movie so they had investors from other studios help finance the movie so when the movie made $1 billion, WB did not get all the profits and had to share. This time, they thought they would gamble their own $$ and make back a fortune
Love the video however the stairs thing was explained in the movie, the movie made about the Jokers first killing spree in universe had the dance, Harley says earlier that she used to walk through the stairs to school everyday
Which might have been the real objective all along, since it was reported that Phillips didn't want us to sympathise with Joker and thought the wrong people liked that movie so he wanted to stab them in the back and make Fleck back into the loser he wanted him to be. Or maybe internet is just full of BS on that one, hard to tell ...
1:24 "It will be a little surprise for people." 🤣 then the, "they'll undoubtedly love." had me laughing so hard. You know that those words were spoken during the pitch for this movie lol and I loved the intro because I was waiting to hear how he was gonna pronounce the movie title and it did not disappoint. But, I absolutely agree though that is was self contained didn't need a sequel and I don't know anyone asking for a sequel with friends, family, co-workers and other spaces lol but from what I saw most people were satisfied with the first movie and that was the end of it. But leave it to money to uhm... well money 🤣
I knew it was going to be a disaster when I found out it was a jukebox musical. Doing a musical was risky but something with great songs and a strong story moved through those songs could have stuck the landing. But a jukebox musical meant they were going to half-ass it, and just keep pausing the story to sing vaguely emotionally related pop hits.
“When I told people I wanted to make the Joker sequel a musical, everyone laughed at me. Well, no-one’s laughing now…”
"People started saying that Cats was not that bad of the movie"
Literally nobody enjoys it
Bob Monkhouse just turned in his grave.
"You can say that again pal"
To quote Robert Deniro you can say that again
"Hey, how about we just burn millions of dollars?"
"That's a very Joker thing to do. Love it! You mean do it in the movie, right? Right...?"
It's not about making a sequel, it's about sending a message...
*director sets $200M on fire*
....everything burns
"Burning millions of dollars is tight!"
@@somethinglikethat2176 I'm like a dog chasing cars,
I don't know what I'd do with one if I ever caught it!
I just do...........
This is the Joker movie the Joker would make.
So the director made a Joker move by burning 200 million dollars.
"I don't want the singing anymore."
"I feel that so deeply.".
Haha, Ryan speaking for the entire audience.
I shared that sentiment when I was watching the movie :D
@@ansgariuswolfeI know people wanted to clap in the theater when Joaquin said it
Not the entire audience. I loved it.
@williamjansen1 👈 we found the movie critic!
@@joelellis7035 👈 We Found The Comedian!
I'd heard that it was like a middle finger to the fans, but holy crap! If I had paid money to see that, I'd be FURIOUS!
It's a middle finger to the "incels" Which, ironically, is why people people relate to the character to begin with.
Where does this "relate to" element come from. I thought ppl saw the story of an unwell man and could see how a lack of mental healthcare can cause problems down the line. @@FlockofSmeagles
@@maverickmic Arthur's fundamental need was to be seen and heard by others. I'm not saying that what transpires in the film is right or justified. I'm pointing out that there's an element of truth there. Which is that society at large is insensitive to woes of a lesser man.
I was indeed, salty. The musical piece i could ignore but the ending and what they did to joker was such a travesty. I honestly felt bad for joaquin phoenix. He didnt deserve that at all. He truly could of taken the mantle of joker in to the next batman movie, timeline be damned.
@@xv9021 Joaquin Phoenix does NOT want to be the joker in a batman movie, you (and many others) just want him to be. You don't have to feel bad for him. He's a hugely in-demand actor who is much more stoked to be in a unique and subversive film. And he gets what he friccin deserves :) Which, again, he is definitely happy with. He was never really the Joker, he was Arthur Fleck. That's a massive plot point of the movie.
This pitch meeting has only been up for an hour and has already earned more money than the movie.
😂😂😂
It made over $100 mm at the foreign box office. Depends what you mean by “earned”, because it lost money but its revenues are almost certainly more than what Ryan made from this YT upload….
Well seeing it cost 200mil to make, I'm pretty sure Ryan is coming out on top.
@@lawjef millimeter?
It also had better songs
"Wait it had no songs"
Exactly!
“I used to think that my life was a tragedy, but now I realize, it’s a musical”
"And I can't sing."
OMG, that's the joke they were trying to tell but executed so poorly.
To be fair, a lot of musicals *are* tragedies but it's usually intentionally so. This movie is more like the DC version of that cursed _Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark_ play.
@@MusicoftheDamnedthere's a musical that's literally called 'The Miserables'
@@9eishitasharma501you missed the point/took their comment too seriously
This channel was supposed to be a humor channel. Now it's just documentaries of actual pitch meetings
No joke 😂😂😂
So now it's time for a song
And it was supposed to be a video you'd watch after the film, but now a lotta ppl watch the PM instead of the film (the right way to do it with the quality of the latest things on tv and theaters)
Yea I get it, however... well let's be real, when the movie industry has fallen to the degree it has their isn't anything that can be done about it, when the movie industry is all but a parody of what it was, their is nothing to really joke about since the movie is a joke in and off itself, its hard to find humor in the sheer insane stupidity of whoever the Hell is in charge nowadays.
You see a good joke is a joke because its not real, but when reality has become more absurd than fiction their is nothing left to laugh about, because its entirely real, thus its fact, and fact frankly aren't really funny, see if its fictional its funny because it contrast with reality, but if its factual their is nothing to contrast with so its if anything disturbing.
@@lydiahood7725you are a master of saying the same thing 3 times, slightly differently each time, it’s like you said one thing once then you said it again it using different words, it’s strange how often some people…like you, make an interesting point about a certain issue, but then you ruin the point by mentioning it over and over again.
as someone who has not seen the movie but is instead watching the pitch meeting i can confirm that watching some people talk about it is indeed more fun than watching it
This is one you can just pass on. The 5 minute pitch meeting is way more entertaining and worth your time, trust.
But how can you even say that it's more fun than watching the movie if you've never seen the movie so you can't even know what it's like to see the movie? Not saying you should go see it but in terms of this comment you contradict yourself in a major way.
@@KanohiVahi boy, I hope he got fired for that blunder
You're literally the exact person who can not confirm anything. But you happen to be right.
"Fully a Deuce!" Probably the perfect description.
fact: "Folie À Deux" means "Madness Of The Two"
"Fully a deuce" is still the most appropriate name for this turd.
@@Xeorboom Fully a Deuce is a better description.
But faux lait adieu means goodbye artificial milk.
@@Xeorboom kinda. A deux doesn't have an exact English translation I don't think, it implies 2 people *doing something* together. Translation is hard
"So what was all this for?"
"Well, we've successfully undone the first movie..."
That explains so much...
People weren't supposed to like the first one according to film studios apparently so they had to destroy whatever credibility it had.
@@Rx37LegacySo a product whose purpose is to entertain and make profit is not suppose to entertain and make profit. Thats like saying the purpose of this bicycle is not for your enjoyment or to get you from point A to point B.
@@nengyang1895 Well the movie wasn't riddled with THE MESSAGE and had a straight white male in the lead, and we all know we can't have that sort of thing these days...
Maybe also trying to rinse our brains out of Jared Leto's godawful performance in the godawful first Suicide Squad movie too
@@nengyang1895 It seems similar to with Fight Club, where people won't acknowledge liking it unless they can take a shot at all the people who apparently liked it for the wrong reasons. If you say you like Fight Club without that disclaimer you're an incel chud or something, whatever the derogatory buzzword of the day is. Can't just like a movie for being well-made and entertaining and leave it at that.
After the dreadful reviews, I was more excited about Ryan's Pitch Meeting skit than I was for the actual film.
Unfortunately that happens a lot these days 😂
I don't even bother going to the cinema, especially without seeing the pitch first.
@@ArchieBunker11I'm low key excited for shitty movies these days, cause excellent PM material ❤
Most people who have seen more than three episodes of this channel feel that way about literally every new movie.
It’s more rare to be excited for the actual movies rather than parodies these days.
Studios: Let’s make a bad movie and make money off it!
Studios when bad movies don’t make money: 😮
"and now, it's time for a song"
"and now, it's time for a song"
"and now, it's time for a song"
(great script)
It's strange that they would turn the sequel into a musical. Imagine The Matrix 2 as a musical or The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King as a musical. It's an odd decision.
@@Red_Snapper They did it on purpose
@@Red_Snapper It's unexpected, but it's not surprising.
even the Producer Guy stops reacting to it after a while 😆
Great comment!
And now it's time for a song.
Watching the pitch meeting for an unnecessary sequel rather than the actual film is TIGHT
The first movie was just as relevant as the sequel. Shame on you for watching that BS
@@PRdeSO at least the first one was actually good
Same!!!
I've seen it. The first half at least. I couldn't make it all the way through; it was just too unbearable. The first 33 minutes of the movie are actually really really good. Then, out of nowhere, it turns into a full-blown musical and the progression of the story just drops completely.
This doesn’t have enough likes !!! 😂
"It was dumb of them to be fans of the first film in the first place." I couldn't stop laughing at that line. 😂
"Well we'd still like their money though"
@@bigbearkat2010 That one's hilarious, too! 😅
We need to make more Sequels that are hate letters to the fans of the first film/series. It would be funny
"It was dumb of them to be fans of the first film in the first place."
Stop....stop reading my mind!
This DOES kind of feel like the movie actively despises the fans of the first movie.
It's kinda refreshing to have a video where the creator doesn't try to sell you anything, talk about their socials, or talks about their other projects by the end of it. Just a "Hi, I made this. Bye"
are you new here? also whats wrong with trying to make something special with ones life? if someone offered you a million dollars you would take it but you wouldn't have the courage to work for it i.e create courses or ask for a sponsor etc
It is refreshing since most of the things they try to sell you are cheap knock offs
"Then he gets shanked in a hallway and dies"
"oh..."
That "oh" was felt on a spiritual level.
wait, so that's the legit ending of the movie? holy crap they efed up
@@southpolethehippe yes that's the end
The last few minutes are the worst.
I can forgive the musical sections, they're meant to be his delusions. He's "on stage" and the center of attention, so it fits even if poorly done.
I can forgive the poor writing, sequels are often like that. The story is paper thin and nowhere near as pointed as the first.
I can forgive every issue until that last bit. The last few minutes are a culmination of every bad habit the film had, except one. There wasn't a musical section at the end.
@@ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs): they didn't have him musical his way into an out of body experience to the heavens ending with a fade to black? Like if you're going to suck go full ham
@@ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs The last bit of Joker: Folie a Deux's biggest compliment being "It doesn't have a musical section" speaks to the film's true... awfulness
Each time another song played someone got up and left. I thought at first they were just going to the toilet but definitely started to notice they weren't coming back. The ones who stayed you could hear definite groans each time a musical number appeared .
So now it's time for a song
@@IronBenj5 Ugh!
Missed opportunity for an epic drinking game!
@@sabinegierth-waniczek4872 I guess thats for the home release. Cant bring that much alcohol into a theater.
there were only 5 people at the screening I attended
So to sum it up:
The songs don't contribute, Harley never loved Arthur, Arthur gets killed unceremoniously, Arthur was never the Joker in the first place and a random guy becomes the Joker? Damn am I glad I never watched the movie.
This easily saved me $20 between a ticket, a popcorn, and a coke. If I actually want to see this train wreck it it’ll be streaming by Christmas 🙄
@@brucemorris3830 And saved at least 2 hours!
@@brucemorris3830 maybe even Halloween
dont watch it. I'm serious. It is not even "the room" style movie so bad it is good. It is just extremely boring and bad. When Joker said "stop singing!" every single person who watch it think "hell yeah". They even manage to waste ending.Even if you cut all songs, it is not much of a story. Nothing really happens. When bomb exploded, and joker leave court with joker fanboys, i think "yeah, they finally start the riot, and arthur return as full joker" but nah.
The Harley thing was actually quite interesting, a good role reversal of her being the manipulative one. In a different film it would've been excellent, but it never really went anywhere, nor did the film. The whole film was a bit pointless really, though the one scene with Joker in was great
The first movie was a surprising masterpiece.
The second movie reminds us why the first one was a surprise.
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I was scrolling through the comments and decided it's time for a song
So now its time for a song!
This comment has been made 10 days ago...
Time for another song!!!!!
Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a Landslide
Actually the audience was the joker all along for watching this movie...10/10
Maybe the real Joker was the journey and the friends made along the way?
Gotta admit the studio exec's clowned on the people paying good money for this sequel.
@@michelvanderlinden8363Not many of those people.around.
I can’t believe joker was the bay harbour butchers we made along the way bravo Vince
The audience aren't the joker they are the joke a, bad one like this movie.
When Arthur said, "Please...no more singing"
The entire audience cheered at that moment. It was beautiful
What audience?
Yes, that was the aim of the film, to give a slap in the face to all those who had idolized a killer like in the first joker. Art does not always have to be accommodating.
@@erosgritti5171 this edgy comment was brought to you by a very ironic name...
Eros Gritty!
So now it's not time for a song
My favourite part was when Joker said It's Joker Folie a Deux time and then Jokered follied a deuxed all over the place.
I noticed nobody did a morbius gag yet. No comment section should be without a morbius gag. Apparently.
"People liked the movie about how theres a pretty severe mental health crisis, and a lack of proper treatment can go very badly... and we took offense to that."
I love it when I go onto RUclips thinking "I need a pitch meeting to pick me up, I don't even care if I've seen it before." and there's a new pitch meeting just waiting for me at the top of my feed.
This is like the essence of a bot comment without being a bot comment
@@Rubbly word. It expresses bot like feelings in stretched out sentences.
@@Rubbly Wow. Even my positive comments are met with negativity now.
@@cherkovisionit’s cool man. I had a shit day and seeing one cheered me up a bit too.
@@cherkovision Positivity was banned on the internet around 2018, did you not get the email?
Some people don't get how sometimes the smallest things can really help someone.
That ending though! "please enjoy this slide show from the thing you just watched" perfectly encapsulated what the second joker movie is to the first.
They've been doing that for awhile though, not just this one.
@@TheLunatiched it fits this movie better than most, though
Why does he do that?
@@dwadholm1 have you never seen movie credits ever
@@dwadholm1 He had a kid recently. I'm fairly certain it's just to save him time on the end tag gag.
When i was a kid i looked forward to trailers before films, then when i became an adult i looked forward to going to the cinema on my own, now i just look forward to Pitch Meetings on RUclips.
Usually trailers these days show too much
Joker 2 showed far too little
As in omitting all the excess musical numbers the audience would be subjected to
So true. The vast majority just aren't even worth the time to watch, and Ryan saves us all the trouble.
Cinema.... God your pretentious
Same.
@wee7750 *you're
This guy's whole pitch meeting bit I'd the funniest, long-running comedy schtick on RUclips. Not just because it is funny as hell & I laugh every time I watch, but the way he's developed various punchlines into long-running inside jokes with the audience is something quite rare/unique.
Fully a deuce is right. That whole movie was pure Number 2.
the number 1 movie wasn't any better
Writer Guy: hey shut up like I was trying to explain, I’m trying to bankrupt this franchise
@@PRdeSO That's a pissy take you got.
Fully a deuce is *tight*
@@PRdeSO Bait used to be believable.
Oh how I have waited for this.
Most anticipated Pitch Meeting of the year honestly
Wooimabouttomakeanameformyself
@@gagestilwell8282 My brain automatically uses his voice now, damn.
I absolutely knew this was gonna come this week.
For real.
Remember that Scrubs episode where the patient had a condition and experienced everything as a musical? That was a really good episode. I'm gonna go watch that again and never think of this thing ever again.
🎵"Everything comes down to poo..."🎵
Apt.
Check the pooooo
A SURGEON AND A DOC
ABOVE
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AAAAAAALLL
The only musical I'll ever be able to stomach lol
Psych also had a more than tolerable musical episode.
I remember a few years ago, Willem Dafoe said he was interested in being in a joker sequel, like as a rival to Arthur. We could’ve had that, but instead, Todd Phillips went with…. This.
Willem Dafoe would have played it perfectly. I would have paid double the admission price, so long as the script didn't suck....as in, it wasn't a musical.
I think Hollywood collectively just orders shipments of cocaine for the movie directors and they come up with increasingly terrible ideas since they destroyed their neurons
That could have been amazing.
They still could have it end the same way but it would not suck ass.
I liked the idea that Arthur inspired other Jokers who eventually became today’s Batman rival
900 days and PM hasn't mention "w0ke insufferable activist infiltrate hollywood".
i know they're different companies, but could you imagine his green goblin opposite joker? that energy would be crazy
fun fact: the director of this movie, Todd Phillips, literally went onto a secluded ranch during the weekend of the movie's release. He knew how bad it was going to be.
I really, really hope things just didn’t go to plan… rather than wasting all that money just to make some kind of point
Because he made it bad on purpose. Whole point was to punish people for liking the first one. We really dont need people like him in the world.
Wow. We gonna see how this strategy is gonna payout. Cause people are not going to watch his movies anymore.
@@astormofwrenches5555 We don't need movies like the first one in the world to begin with. I somewhat appreciate Phillips trying to undo the damage he did to the world.
@@Kiyoone Seriously, I definently think he made it bad on purpose but I thought it was a middle finger to the studio execs for forcing him to make a sequel. If he did it to spite fans, dude is hurting his own career.
4:39 "someone who can sing and someone who can be..........caught in a bad romance"
*slow clap* that was good
Harley Quinn was just born this way.
@@Crystalluss Maybe Arthur can poke her face
She's just into that Joker Face
I don't know; it felt like the movie was just on the edge of glory.
@@Crystalluss you could even say that a star was born
You know something? There’s an interest story in there with Arthur not being nearly as awesome as people think he is due to the Joker persona and he ultimately ends up not being capable of living up to that Persona.
By the end of the movie, the violent movement he started kills him for not living up to the Joker persona.
But that's still lame
@@Jack_the_Rizzler69 It's not lame. But many people misunderstood the movie.
@@wisehippo3072 No it is pretty lame and so is the singing. People sympathized with the plight of the joker in the first movie and that made the director and actors angry because the people didn't think the way they wanted them to so they called them names and when that didn't work they threw a tantrum and tried to destroy the character to get back at the people that sympathized with him because they weren't supposed to do that.
You are trying to pretend it is something else because you think it makes you special because you are different and unique when in reality you are just slow and up your own butt.
@@wisehippo3072 No, it's extremely lame. It's lamer than a pocket protector and thick cokebottle glasses. It's Hollywood apologizing to itself for offending itself. It's lame squared, and so is the idea that this "movie" had any positive qualities.
If treated with the sense of weight and gravitas it deserves it could be a solid way to decisively tie up the tragedy that is Arthur's story. Man abandoned by society finds solace in a violent movement, only for the ever escalating violence of the movement and pressure of his own role within that movement to be too much to live up to. Ultimately resulting in Arthur getting eaten by the same movement he helped ferment in an attempt to make his life better, well the mantle of joker is taken up by someone else to emphasize how part of Arthur's tragedy is that he was easily replaceable by any number of other people. That no one ever cared for Arthur, they only cared for the joker.
But then you could also do that without insulting your audiences intelligence.
I just saw the movie yesterday. The goosebumps moment for me was when Harley said "No he can't read my Jokerface". Everybody stood up and clapped. Or maybe I imagined this. But then - why are my palms so sore?
I feel like you're lying.
I fell for it when they told me it was morbin time. Never again.
Yes, and then she said "It's Morbin' time!", turned into a giant bat, and ate Travis Kelce. It was borderline experimental...
It's called friction burn and we told you to stop doing that in the theater
You’re an unreliable narrator.
Nah. When joker said “it’s Jokin time!” That blew me away!
"It was dumb for them to be fans of that in the first place". Yep, that sums up the whole sequel, doesn't it?
Sums up the last 20 years.
Sums up Disney with Star Wars
It sums up the Star Wars Prequels too.
Pretty much every ret-conned franchise at this point.
I feel like a lot of the time directors don’t so much hate the fans of a movie than they’re like, “I want to make MY movie and I hate the fact that I’m obligated to include characters and plot lines from another movie.” (Which seems to happen a lot with new directors, but also seems to happen to some who also directed the original). For Joker specifically, however, the director does actually hate the fans of the original and made the second one as a purposeful middle finger to them, which succeeded, I guess? It just seems so petty to actively make a sequel that fans of the original will despise, while also ending up with a movie that ultimately no one will like.
Watching a pitch meeting without seeing the movie itself is TIGHT
Reusing and copying comments is ANNOYING
This is the only way I “see” movies now
Unoriginal comments are LOOSE!
TIGHT! TIGHT! TIGHT!
Yeah yeah yeah
At this point I'm liking Ryan's videos at the "So, you have a..." line 😁😄😃
I watched this movie a couple of days ago with my family. We were all kinda worried about all the negative reviews that had come out, but we decided to give it a shot anyways.
We should have listened 🙃
I'm sorry that you and your family time was wasted...
Let this be a lesson to you.
I took a 100 dollar bill the other day and burnt it. It was probably more enjoyable for me to do that than for you to watch the movie. At least it didn't take as long I suppose.
I hope you got a refund. Just watch Deadpool & Wolverine or Alien Romulus instead.
And now it's time for a song.
Wow, the Christopher Nolan face cutting thing was just... Spiteful.
Right? Appalling. Fuck this people for besmirching Nolan’s and Ledger’s legacy.
"Welcome to Hollywood!"
wb did actually said fuck you to Nolan. Must be cause he won an Oscar
The entire movie was spiteful, from start to finish.
I usually avoid Pitch Meetings to movies I haven't seen. This is one I'm happy to break the streak for - thanks for saving me $12 and however long the Joker 2 runtime is, Ryan!
2 1/2 freaking hours. And half of it is pointless songs.
Thats the whole point of pitch meetings for me.... dont have to waste the time to actually watch the movie & learn why it sucks.
I just watch all of them because all the movies are trash lately.
Daym, Ryan, YOU ARE THE BEST! I also watch your Pitch Meeting Compilations before bedtime, to activate Sleep Mode. 🙂 Keep it up, bro!
"LALALA AND SO ON, YOU'VE HEARD OF MUSIC" 🤣🤣
And now, its time for a song!
So now it's time for a song
"Now I have"
I fully suspect that this may be the first ever Pitch Meeting with more views than the actual movie it was made for
Nah, not really
After Morbius
Rebel Moon
He made a Megalopolis PM just last week, a movie that made 5% of JFAD’s money.
I hope this gets millions!
The only bad thing about Pitch Meeting is laughing at Ryan's pain from having had to watch these movies.
He's definitely takin' the hits so we don't have to watch these piles of... chocolate chips. 💩
It was not as bad as Old.That movie made him question his life choices.
But... you know he does get paid for watching the movie and making a pitch out of it. Worse a movie is the better it is for him as he can rip it to shread.
Who says he watched the movie. He could just as well watched the youtube reviews by Critical Drinker, etc.
Now you know how Ryan got his scars.
I came in late, but thanks to that photo montage at the end, I know everything that happened in this video. Thanks, Ryan!
J-J-Jokerface was caught in Bad Romance
maybe he was Born This Way
Fernando has entered the chat
and I guess hollywood showed us this Jokerface with this royal toilet flush of a movie
@HelloRando Haha ikr 😅
How do you wake up Lady Gaga? You poke er face
I love that you are able to be relentless and never back down unlike seemingly everyone else... but at the same time you somehow manage to come out as wholesome every single time. You are completely unique
*WELL* .....lol, USUALLY doesn't back down -if memory serves: he's gone extra soft on a couple of the worst most offensive movies/tv shows like She-Hulk and similar just to avoid the polarizing firestorm around them 😅.
*ALMOST never back down, yes, but he has had a couple confusing ones where he refused to touch massive criticisms levied consistently by most people against the movie/tv show and really tiptoed through what should have been a fun time stepping on every ugly landmine like they're a fireworks show. Nobody's perfect, though, and Rye-Rye better matches that claim than damn near anyone 👍.
@@inventgineer He tends to avoid the culture war stuff. Probably a Canadian thing.
@@inventgineer he doesn't need to join the Fandom Menace, I think everything has its place. And if you compare Ryan with, say, Honest Trailers... well that's embarrassing for them
3:05 "I dont like how it feels to hurt people." Said The Guy who traumatized an entire live studio audience and laughed thinking about Thomas and Martha being dead
and s-mothered his own mother
The man murdered his own mother
@@dandoohan7223 Without hesitation!
"Wait a minute, when people get murdered they feel bad... and that makes me feel bad!"
The amount of medication and therapy needed to get Arthur to that point after what happened in the first movie would take years … but alas, a couple of songs get everyone down.
Lee knows about the stairs because she moved into Arthur's building and that's where the stairs were. She doesn't have to know about his dance routine there to expect him to show up there, as the police at the foot of the stairs also did, since he basically returned back to his home.
The director admitting that he didn’t care about DC or comic book characters told me everything I needed to know about this movie.
This movie is pissing off the right people (I’m sure it’s also terrible)
That made the first movie so good tbh 😜
When did the director say that?
That's why I never watched the first one. Saw it coming miles away.
@@DJ-wl5qo It's pissing off the people who are going to lose hundreds of millions of dollars on producing this movie.
Every review: better than the movie.
Ive had my own insane conspiracy that all the hater/review channels are themselves owned by Disney/WB/etc. They deliberately create bombs as feedstock for their RUclips review empire
Better than this movie.
Not every one.
I have never been at a movie and seen anyone just get up and leave before this. On this day, it happened a lot.
I've only ever done it once. Casual Sex? was bad enough that the whole group I was with just decided to leave. I don't remember the movie any more, just the title. We weren't the only ones.
I went to see uncut gems and got bored and annoyed with characters that I didn't care at all how movie end. But I went with some friends and didn't want to ask them if they wanted to leave. Turns out we all hated the movie and wanted to leave but in case one of us enjoyed movie we decided to keep it in. That was a hard learnt lesson.
@@abc123tiktokI'll never watch it just for that stupid Julia Fox podcast pronunciation. Sums up the film huh
I was at a screening of Drawing Restraint 9. After an hour and a half of being excruciatingly slow, the film got so messed up that about half the audience left. The scene in that film is two characters using knives to remove their human flesh as part of a metamorphosis into whales. It takes some work for a film to be so horrible that what's on-screen overrides the sunk cost fallacy.
"Hey shut up" cracks me up every time.
0:34 I need “oh my goOdness” to be a new catchphrase
Almost in a 'morty-like' tone
Ooooo adding catch phrases is TIGHT
I still miss ‘interesting choice’ as a catch phrase of his to the most questionable of decisions. I mutter it myself not too infrequently 😂
Can't. That's Shenanah's catch phrase.
Hey shut up! Sorry, it was jokin' time!
I feel they were onto something with the core concept
Joker meets Harely in Arkham. Romance between the two.
Joker is about to be brought for trial
Bomb frees Joker mid trial and Joker frees Harley.
It would’ve been a great…1st act.
With the rest of the movie falling the two on their maddened crusade. They could even have a musical number or two to really draw home how insane the pair is.
Like imagine a scene where they’re holding a crowd of people hostage killing them one by one. The camera cuts between their POV (extremely romantic, colorful, filled with music) and the hostages POV watching these monsters sing horribly out of tune poorly dance and awkwardly kiss before putting a bullet in the head of a hostage.
It would be so cool to see and really play into their warped perception of events and reality as we watch Arthur and Harley’s rise to prominence in the criminal underworld
Oh god now I’m even sadder
You have more creative talent in your pinky toe, than all of Hollytard combined.
I agree, with the way the first ended with who could have been Jack Nicolson's Joker, it makes sense that Arthur would do exactly what you suggested, get unceremoniously taken out, and then this spawns new Joker factions and this becomes the series of Jokers we know from other movies.
SNL did a skit like that with Ryan Gosling called Santa Baby. :)
Your idea alone is already way more interesting and i can imagine how well it would be executed. Holywood is filled with skilless nepobabies now
I haven’t even seen the movie and oh my gosh this………. wow! Now the anger for this Joker sequel makes more sense!
Never seen someone hate his own fans as much as Todd Phillips. I mean if you didn't want people to be fans of the first Joker movie or like your movie in any way, why did you even make the first movie then?
Most people have a price for selling their souls.
Only possible reason for this is that the rich are becoming so scared that society will rise up against them, and and think movies like this will inspire us so they sat Todd down and payed him a lot of money to make the character as pitiful and boring as possible.
Or he just hates his fans.
It's either of that
Rian Johnson must come pretty close.
Well, maybe he just expected a different audience.
There's a game called Class of '09 and a few weeks ago the creator released a god awful sequel that was a middle finger to the fanbase that he explicitly dislikes.
It happens.
Allegedly (I don't know for sure), he didn't want to make the first Joker movie and just used "Joker" as a thin veneer for a movie he wanted to make.
They humiliated the character of Joker, tried to treat the audience like idiots, wasted the opportunity to make this version of Harley more distinct, prison grape the guy just to spite the folks who said they identified with the character and unceremoniously kill off the character on the same steps that became the highlight of the first movie.
This feels like less than a quick character assassination, and more like them being brutally assaulted repeatedly.
Hollywood does not like populist movements
@@bluedistortions Wonder how they will undo Barbie, but perhaps they'll do that in real life.
Stop crying and grow up. The Joker was and always will be a boring shit character.
@@steepDoubtAxis WHAT? What's there do undo? It's literally feminism: the movie, they protect and celebrate it to no end.
@@olisk-jy9rz Ah, I mean the digs at Capitalism and corporate culture they had, not the feminism. Is it weird that I remember that over all the feminism?
There isn’t a single a Pitch Meeting I’ve been waiting for as much as this one this year.
Ngl i thought this might've been one of those bad movies that get entirely forgotten about even from people talking about the first movie. Like how nobody ever mentions any Starship Troopers film beyond the first one so basically only fans even know that more than one exist.
@@spiffygonzales5160it's probably where it's going to end up in the longer run.
It's practically Pitch Perfect
I'm disappointed that Ryan ended with a slide show. I was hoping for a song ...
There were a couple musicals that comic book fans liked. "Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog" and one episode of "Batman: the Brave and the Bold". But those were, you know, fun.
Dr Horrible was amazing.
"You and you and Mostly Me and you."
Also the Buffy musical episode
Don't forget Over the Garden Wall
Darn, I always wanted to watch it, and I think I never did, or I forgot about the story. Thanks for the reminder.
We have idol anime in anime, btw. The combination of robots making music also works great, e.g. Vivy or Sing A Bit Of Harmony.
@@iambicpentakill971
Lexx also had one, but this show was more niche, and only season 1 (the movies) are really good, aside from maybe a very few episodes later including the musical.
"A little gratitous misery, sure"
This movie in a nutshell
Watching a pitch meeting about a movie I won’t watch is super easy, barely an inconvenience 😁
Oh really?
@@chrislestermusic Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
❤😂🎉
She knows about the stairs because of the TV movie. She mentioned it early on.
Oh Ryan definitely did his research for this one. That bit about Nolan not wanting the cutting scene is true
Is it though? Was it confirmed?
Wooooooow. So they wanted to tie in Heath Ledger's Joker into Todd Philip's first Joker movie? The original plan had Joaquin Phoenix's Joker cut his own face?
@@mkultra2456 No, the plan was to have the ending they gave to Joker 2. Random guy would walk in, kill Arthur and cut his own face.
He's no longer at Warner Bros...I can't imagine why. They'd probably try to force him to make Inception 2.
@@CidGuerreiro1234 That's lame. heath Ledgers Joker wasn't no random guy. He was ex-military.
Yaay! Been waiting for this. These days, when I hear that a movie is bad, I don't just not watch it, I actively wait for the pitch meeting.
Same except I often do it for good or average movies too
Active waiting! Is it super easy, barely an inconvenience?
@@sheerbeautyUnclear 😅
@@tgwnn😂
@@mrraamsridhar I'm gonna need you to get aaaaaalll the way off my back on this, sir
The folly of two is actually a good way to describe writer and producer guy
The folly of one!
The folly of two!
The folly of many!
*8 seconds of silence*
That "Caught in a bad romance" was cherry on top!
I really appreciate you acknowledging that it seems super obvious that this sequel was meant to punish fans for liking the first movie. Everything about it, the title, casting, musical numbers, the story, it was all meant to destroy the first film by being completely repulsive to the fans of the first film. Yet a lot of the "media" seems to have trouble acknowledging this because no one in Hollywood would own up to it.
if this is the case i have to respect the creator for it, not because i think trolling fans is good but because they're just collateral in him trolling the stupid greedy money men at the top of the hollywood food chain into funding his stunt
But what is the point of that exactly, sure the first had a lot of problematic fans, but it made up for it by actually being good so that people who dont idiolize arthur can still appreciate it, this isn't the case here, this movie doesnt really appeal to much, the og audience hates this direction, and the general audience will just find a boring pretentious mess of a film that treats itself as more than it is
Yeah, why would the people at the helm do that? That movie costed millions of dollars and Hollywood people like having the dollars instead of wasting them.
The first move was basically the comic book version of Falling Down. And you can’t have the protagonist of a movie being an angry beat down white guy anymore.
So they had to destroy the character.
Admittedly, really should have seen this coming, as we know what happened with the Hangover films. The first one was legit, but the other two just felt like hate letters to the fact that he was stuck trying to make it fresh again.
Making the artistic choice to have prison guards SA the Joker out of Arthur was one of the strangest decisions I’ve ever seen put to film
And yet, somehow, not surprising. I mean, it's Hollywood. They've been doing SA-for-drama (and for a whole lot of other things, let's be real) for a century now.
@Barkruffalo35
They're saying rape correction works... they would never do it to a female character
While I think SA can be used as a plot point, the SA in joker 2 is just cheap shock value
So the guards are gay it seems.
@@Jack_the_Rizzler69 ok bro. I don’t know what you’re yapping about, but I wasn’t giving you free space to spout your incel hate about women. It’s a bad choice, but it has nothing to do with women literally at all.
Thank you!!!!! Why do people struggle so much with pronouncing „deux“? It’s literally the easiest French word to pronounce.
2:19 Pretty much what I was thinking to myself while I was watching the movie. 😂
0:11 As a Frenchman, I found this bit hilarious
Can you explain please
@@randomizedindividual Well, explaining jokes make the joke less funny if you ask me, but basically, the fact he pronounces "Folie à deux" in a French-accurate way (and you can tell the struggle and efforts he puts on it), then the fact very true fact that most American viewers will pronounce it differently, and then the justification given to why the title of this sequel is in French. All of that makes it quite a funny gag.
Remember, he's Canadian and fluently speaks French. He might sound a bit "off" due to his accent, maybe.
@@sirbig8292 Ah, I didn't know he was Canadian or even fluent in French, thanks for the information.
Well, he doesn't say it exactly like à native French of course but the effort makes the pronounciation pretty close
@@sirbig8292
Are all Canadians fluent in French? if so why is that what’s the connection between Canada and France
If the implication of the mouth cutting scene really is that Arthur was never actually Joker, they frickin hate us all
No, from the beginning he was never The Joker, only the inspiration. That's why the film isn't called The Joker.
@@jsmith498Exactly I'm most sure why people don't get this and how it's meant to be deeper! Than they think. Especially when some do those whining about the first film were like hey he can't be The Joker cos Bruce is only a kid he'd be a geriatric Joker, like well shit man maybe that's part of the reason they did this or maybe Todd always intended it to be that Arthur isn't The Joker but the pre Joker. Which is what we see. We literally see The Joker being born at the end of at least that's what they are going with.
@@TheWPhilosopheror Joker is an idea and anyone can become Joker.
@@francesconicoletti2547 that also of course but the way it's portrayed is that Arthur was merely the initial spark and inspiration but the actual Joker was born at the end from the violence.
No it was an f you to Nolan who was the reason the first movie was not a shit show like this one because he prevented him from doing stuff like this. He had the option to get advice from Gunn and Safran that offered help and notes but he ignored it. All he wanted was to give a big f to all the fans of the first movie, his bosses and Nolan. An to be fair he got that done. His work is so bad it drags down everybody who had anything to do with it.
umm... while many things are comic booky and don't make that much sense, the musical part actually makes sense. Arthur in his head lived in TV shows in the first one. In this one he saw a girl singing and pretty much that's it, now he is in musicals. The one where he sings as the Joker in his imagination is one of the best scenes in the movie IMHO.
Also, the explosion that just came out of nowhere was something I've been waiting for the whole movie, but I thought they would set him free and make him their leader. They wanted to, but he didn't want to. So I don't feel like that came out of nowhere, it would have been strange if nothing like that would have happened. That was the continuation of the revolution that you were missing, it was just under control by now, mostly.
As for the stairs, there is constant mention of a TV movie they made about him and Lee mentions the stairs the first time they talk how she grew up around there, so obviously the stairs made it into that TV movie. But also, we don't know what's real and what is not. IMHO Lee is only real as so far as he saw her singing while practicing. After that everything else is in his imagination. The guards wouldn't let her into the solitary confinement. She knows too much. When he gives up being the Joker, he also leaves her behind by finding her on those stairs. These things don't seem real at all unfortunately. Unfortunately, because I would have liked it if his son was real and became the Joker after his father. Bruce Wayne is a kid here, so he would be 30 something when Joker's son would be in his twenties. It's still a possibility, after all this is a comic book in an imaginary world, so all of the above don't have to be impossible. So IMHO, while this movie has multiple possible interpretations, like the better movies usually do, it wasn't nonsensical at all and had fewer plot holes than 99% of the hollywood productions.
I also wanted them to make a full Joker movie where he is this insane criminal mastermind, but honestly, we have seen many of those and none of these. I also almost stopped watching when I realized this was a musical (and I like musicals, but this isn't good as a musical and it doesn't fit), but I'm glad I kept watching, for me this was just as good as the first one, if not better.
edit: One more: Arthur realizing he doesn't like hurting people. That's not as strange as you made it out to be. he only hurt people who he thought deserved it. And that was the first time that someone who was close to him, whom he liked (he was the only person who was nice to him) told him how much he hurt him and also told him that those he hurt on purpose didn't deserve what he did to them. It was obvious that hit him like a truck and turned him around to remorse. This whole movie, the whole arc, both parts together feel like a loose adaptation of Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment. (Very loose, but what the character goes through is similar, but sparkled with a touch of complete disconnection from reality). This is the first Pitch Meeting where I feel like you misunderstood the movie. But it seems most people did.
"It was dumb for them to be fans of Joker/Star Wars/Star Trek/Lord of the rings/Indiana Jones/The Crow/Aliens/etc in the first place".
Amazing how that sentence seems to showcase the thoughts of most movie studio's these days.
That and "We hate the fans but love their money."
It's cause the execs shit all over writers and change anything good because they r so smrt. We end up with big flashy turd piles
@@iambicpentakill971 I find it incredibly optimistic to believe that the executives who want this sort of thing don't just hire the writers and directors who want the turd piles.
Ghostbusters, terminator, Doctor Who,… Pretty well every iconic movie of the last few decades…
............🤨......yeaaaaaa.............that is, indeed, the joke he just made. Why? I.....I don't get this comment: why take a joke......and merely double the words, removing the cleverness and pithiness, all in the course of explaining away the humor from an obvious joke to the audience 😅.
*Comedian:* "So then *I* said, of COURSE the bear was wearing a hat, we all know bears often wear human clothes! 😄" (cue audience laughter)
*You in comments (sorry mate, def don't hate ya, just making a point, lol):* "You know what the really interesting thing is, when you really stop to think about it, guys? Bears don't wear hats! They don't even wear ANY human clothes! God, it's amazing how Comedian was able to brilliantly discover this fact and then actively mislead us despite it. Using a pretty novel line of thinking, he is making fun of a trend in something. Turns out: it was actually a joke making fun of bears and human clothing! You never would've guessed!" (crickets, lol 😅)
underrated comment!
That must be the first time Producer Guy has ever pointed out that Writer Guy didn't answer his question.
"Whoopsie!"
“Hey, shut up so-“
It's not
Producer guy gonna wonder what he was thinking green lighting this one
The point of the first movie was him becoming The Joker, and it ended with him taking on the mantle of The Joker. After all, it was an origin movie for The Joker. So it makes no sense (both in universe, and from a behind-the-scenes perspective) why this film flat-out stated that Arthur Fleck isn't The Joker in this universe.
ahhhh, he got Jerome'd
Because there’s obviously more than one Joker. Did you think he was gonna fight Batman? Lmao
I dont mind that we didnt get him as the joker, but if they wanted to do that, then they should have just killed him off after his crash with the car after he shot murray in the first movie, implying that through his death "it made more sense ,than his life" and through the clown revolution its implied joker was born in the chaos, while Bruce is leading down the path of being batman. The sequel pretty much reverts him back to him just being arthur WHEN HIM DOING THE BLOOD SMILE shows us that he killed that part of him. They could have made the sequels be a whole anthology series where we see the message anyone could be the joker through their one bad day, and instead we got depressed Arthur falling in love with a "harley quinn" who has no traits of harley quinn but for marketing reasons is, and a court case that just rehashes the same scenes from the last movie just being told to us from another persons pov.
My guess is they figured there was no way to get Joaquin Phoenix to say yes to any more of these movies so they wanted a cheap way to "pass the torch" so they could continue to milk the Joker indefinitely.
WB has this habit and pre-planning ways to milk a franchise down the road but then forget to make the entry in front of them any good.
Makes no sense? We don't need your stinking sense.
I had absolutely no idea this was your channel.
Finally! I was beginning to think I would have to actually watch this.
Don't hurt yourself.
He is both the hero we need and the one we deserve
@@Luks2820 Me too, Ryan sat through it to make this skit, so that we don't have to. A true hero.
It's not as bad as people made it out to be. Knowing that everyone hated it before I saw it helped me enjoy it more.
Same, and I'm strangely relieved.
I love how people already consider this film non-canon.
*Edit:* I meant to the first film, not DC as a whole.
There is no such thing as “canon” it’s all made up.
The first film was non-canon as well.
Did people consider the first one canon?
@@christophermanley3602How?
The first movie wasn't canon either
My favorite part was when Arthur said, "I'm the Joker 2, Baby," and Harley said, "No, we're the Folie À Deux." Brought a gosh damn tear to my eye.
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My favorite part was when Arthur said, "It's Jokin time!"
Yeah and then Harley was like: „we are both a little bit gaga“ and winked to the camera
Now that was pod racing!
and then it was they started to sing!
I loved the movie and ppl that said they didnt know it was a musical i didnt keep up with what was goin on and knew it was a musical
"I wanna leave it as is."
"Here's $200 million."
"Cool! Time to write a trainwreck!"
I recently discovered that a lot of these movies' budgets go into paying Sony and Warner for licensed music. I'm happy they're wasting so much of their ill-gotten gains.
@@TheNotoriousMrDeeAlmost as if TimeWarner never should have sold off WMG in the first place...
They don´t tell him it has to be good tho. just write a second one. The devil is on the details 😂
@@TheNotoriousMrDeeI thought of that at several points lol “I’m sure they paid a shit ton for these classic songs to interrupt the tension that was almost building”
They could have made 4 Jokers or 3 90 minute movies with The Creator tier effects for that money.And the return would most likely be above a billion.
2:18 fun fact: this OooOo OooOoOo is definitely a new pitch meeting running gag. I’ve noticed it in Superman 3 and crow pitch meetings😂
In my head I am picturing a pitch meeting between the studio and Todd Phillips where Phillips REALLY doesn’t wanna do it, but is too polite to say no and so instead (and as an obvious joke) he says that he would only do it if they quadruple his budget and let him turn his serious drama about mental illness into a musical and have Lady Gaga sing it.
So basically the same origin story as Gremlins 2...
@@chromesucks5299 also WB didn't have faith in the first movie so they had investors from other studios help finance the movie so when the movie made $1 billion, WB did not get all the profits and had to share. This time, they thought they would gamble their own $$ and make back a fortune
@@radrobd123 Oh sweet tasty irony.
Love the video however the stairs thing was explained in the movie, the movie made about the Jokers first killing spree in universe had the dance, Harley says earlier that she used to walk through the stairs to school everyday
“We’ve successfully undone the first movie” Goddamn right
Seems to be the running theme in Hollywon't.
"My idea is we dick punch our paying audience with the Gauntlet from Marvel, people will like that right?"
Jokes on you, you can’t undo the first movie if nobody sees the sequel
Which might have been the real objective all along, since it was reported that Phillips didn't want us to sympathise with Joker and thought the wrong people liked that movie so he wanted to stab them in the back and make Fleck back into the loser he wanted him to be.
Or maybe internet is just full of BS on that one, hard to tell ...
I low-key wished he sang, "super easy, barely an inconvenience"
If producer and screenwriter harmonized it at the end before the news card, I think it would have been funny
You know what... if he'd broken into song once and then Producer Guy went, "oh wow, I can't see that being annoying at all"
4:11 Now, that's TRUE!!!
"And then it's time for a song."
3:49 Hey shuddup lol
‘Heysuddupso’ is my #1 favorite dialogue in these. Because it gets at the crux of why Hollywood film is so awful.
1:24 "It will be a little surprise for people." 🤣 then the, "they'll undoubtedly love." had me laughing so hard. You know that those words were spoken during the pitch for this movie lol and I loved the intro because I was waiting to hear how he was gonna pronounce the movie title and it did not disappoint. But, I absolutely agree though that is was self contained didn't need a sequel and I don't know anyone asking for a sequel with friends, family, co-workers and other spaces lol but from what I saw most people were satisfied with the first movie and that was the end of it. But leave it to money to uhm... well money 🤣
I knew it was going to be a disaster when I found out it was a jukebox musical. Doing a musical was risky but something with great songs and a strong story moved through those songs could have stuck the landing. But a jukebox musical meant they were going to half-ass it, and just keep pausing the story to sing vaguely emotionally related pop hits.
Watching a pitch meeting about a movie I will never watch is super easy, barely an inconvenience.
My favorite new thing about the Pitch Meetings is the slideshow at the end. I really like the music.
My most anticipated pitch meeting of the year lol
"So what was this all for?" - exactly