How to transformers reproduce well basically. Remember when you had your two action figures and you used to smack them together. When they were fighting as a kid basically that's how they reproduce it's like basically slapping two of your action figures together really hard.
Perhaps the very first two Cockacon and Vaginicon came together with tons of motor oil.. who knows right ? I swear to god if it comes up in a already over done movie addition .. lol 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I think an important thing that is not mentioned here is the motivation of Primus, the God of the Transformers. It has been explained that both Primus and Unicron were created by a even almightier God, The One. Or that they were one being separated into two opposing forces. Or any of the multiple interpretations. However, a lot of those interpretations still only say that Primus and Unicron were both ancient, but not necessarily the first signs of life in the Universe. Primus having traveled the universe saw that there was life, animals and plants. Upon fighting Unicron, Primus had created the first thirteen Transformers, the first Primes. Presumably, the first Transformers were created in a method very similar to budding, spawning from Primus itself. After the defeat of Unicron, Primus and the first Transformers, continued to use the budding method until the quota of Transformers were met, which time the method was meant to be sealed away. However, during this time Primus did something that it noticed was common among organic life, it created two sexes, even though it served no real purpose. Primus had given the Transformers a means to produces sexually, but Transformers being more logical robots, saw no purpose to do so. Especially when there were more efficient ways to reproduce. Once through the previously unsealed budding method. Later on through a method where Transformers discovered that Cybertron would occasionally spawn Protoforms with Sparks. Protoforms being Transformers which did not yet choose their forms and purpose yet; and the Sparks from this method were dubbed "Forged". But this method would also eventually be less and less frequently used as Cybertron's Protoforms would eventually dry up. The Transformers would then look to a new method of creating Transformers. The new method involved using The Matrix to split existing Sparks to create new ones, and then have these inhabit bodies there were pre-constructed; this would be the "Cold Constructed" method. Sentiments found with the "Cold Constructed" method made it so female Transformers were becoming more and more of a minority. Remember that Transformers still do things at times with a cold logic. There just wasn't a purpose to female Transformers, when you could just construct Transformers, more so when pre-constructed Transformers would already have their purpose assigned. Much later on, during Beast Wars and Beast Machines, it is revealed that there is a "prophecy" that would introduce organic life to Cybertron. The purpose of this was always intended to do what Primus itself could not do. Primus' creation of the Transformers was nothing more than an imitation of life, and it deemed it necessary to introduce organic life to create technorganic Transformers.
@@garrisonmoncher5461 Source on "The One", it's from the DK Publishing 'Transformers: The Ultimate Guide'. Stated in it, The One, a being that existed before the present Transformers universe, created Unicron and from it Primus to explore the universe. Something never mentioned but alluded to, is that Primus, Vector Sigma, and the Oracle are either all the same or all work towards the same goal as Primus. They've been interchangeable due to the long lore and multiple retcons in the past. And the weird inconsistencies between both Japanese and Western lore. Such as the fact that the Transformers were not the first creations of Primus. But there was a prototype race called Trans-Organics. As shown in the Japanese G-1 continuity. The Trans-Organics were more akin to animals, and considered a failure since they weren't smart enough to communicate. These were created by Vector Sigma. In Beast Machines, it is talked about how Primus/Oracle/Vector Sigma wanted to revert and restore the balance between both organic and inorganic life. The thing is, this is all given to Optimus and Megatron through a "prophecy" from the Oracle. And time and time again has shown that Transformers don't actually have true agency. In Beast Wars, Megatron rewrites Rhinox into a Predacon. In Beast Machines, Megatron has multiple generals with Sparks who are programmed to be loyal. This is an allusion to the point that Optimus Primal and Megatron did not actually have agency. Prophecy in Transformers talk is just programming. This is where the idea that Transformers were always just imitations of life comes from. Because they're just robots to be programmed still. Sparks only give life, but the programming of the body still overrides "agency". From IDW's 2005 continuity, there is a great discussion with a Transformer named Rung. This is because in this continuity there is the "Functionist Council" of the Transformers. The idea was that each Transformers had a purpose, and their purpose was tied to their alternate forms. The problem came from the fact that no one could figure out what Rung's alternate mode was, and it clashed against the idea that each Transformer had their own place in society. So, they eventually just clarify Rung as an ornament. Not knowing the truth that he was Primus and his alternate mode was to create the new Sparks of life for Transformers. He had just lived for so long that he had forgotten everything. This continuity also is the first time to introduce one of modern Megatron's motivations. Revealing that Megatron was a mining bot who dreamed of being more. But his ideas clashed against the Functionist Council, and would eventually start the Great War. There is a story in this continuity that actually explains why Megatron rejects being a mining bot. In this continuity there are two forms of reproduction, Forged and Cold Constructed. Forged was the natural way, Cybertron would produce Sparks and Protoforms that would choose their form. And in unique scenarios, Cybertron would create "Point One Percenter" Sparks, just special Sparks with more power and agency. Cold Constructed, was where Sparks were induced and forced into prefabricated bodies. This is where it gets complicated. Someone decided to go back in time to kill Megatron before he was created by the Cold Constructed method. This plan was stopped and obviously Megatron would still be created. However, this is where it is revealed that Megatron is a Point One Percenter, and its Spark fell into the pile of Cold Constructed Transformers, forcing Megatron into a body that it did not choose. And would eventually lead Megatron into always feeling that something was wrong with its life. It is also in this continuity that we get Arcee, and this may get controversial but please just understand this is just what was written. Arcee is explained to have been originally a male Transformer, who always felt "different". It is in this continuity that we learn that in the way past there were equal abundance of both male and female Transformers. But that Transformer would just eventually settle on that they could live genderless and focused on the Functionist Council's role on practicality and assigned roles in Transformers society. Arcee not happy with themselves, allowed Jhiaxis to experiment on them. Jhiaxis was curious about the purpose of the two genders in the past and wanted to reintroduce it to Transformers society. And thus converted Arcee from male to female. Now, one of the biggest "problems" of Transformers lore is how they attempted to rectify all the lore. We're going to delve into the Transformers Equivalent of DC's Crisis on Infinities Earths. So, prior to 2015 I believe at the start of Transformers Armada (2002), beings like Primus and Unicron were designated as Multiverversal Singularities. Meaning prior to 2015, all stories about Multiversal Singularities had some shreds of truth to them. But that each different universe saw the same being but explained their origins to the best of their abilities. It's basically that one can't truly understand God-like beings. So all of the origin stories of Primus and Unicron were "true". But this caused a major headache with each new subsequent series and each new origin. So, in 2015, they had an event that would nullify Multiverversal Singularities and split them into their own continuities. So, everything prior to 2015 is considered one canon in a sea of multi-canon; and everything after the event was now its own thing but also recognizing that each past story is also now its own thing. Generally speaking everything before 2015 can be combined in some way or form if it was about origin stories, but after 2015 you couldn't, but they still were. Honestly it's complicated, because a lot of the stories prior to 2015 played with the Multiverversal Singularities idea, and then after they no longer did. So, for reproduction and the idea of gender in Transformers, prior to 2015 all of it was somehow one canon. Afterwards, it's an all new canon. But who knows for how long.
@@docsavage4921 Rung being a psychiatrist means nothing in the continuity. The purpose of that story was that Transformers society had assigned everyone with a job at birth. And that there were those whose purposes could not be ascertained, like Rung. Megatron would be a foil to this idea, in that Megatron was supposed to be a Transformer who could've chosen its own purpose as a Forged Transformer, but due to time traveling, its Spark would end up in a Cold Constructed body. Again paralleled again with Arcee, who felt uncomfortable in a male body. And eventually transition into a female one. Because the assigned purpose at birth was a bullshit reason in Transformers society.
Arcee (Are•see / R•C) was NOT in love with Cliff Jumper. They were combat partners. Comrades in arms, and he wasn't her first partner to die, and why she was reluctant to take on any new partners, cybertronian or human. The closest we see to a relationship on T:P is when Arcee and Optimus almost die in the Antarctic.
Why do female robots exist, I don’t know, why do robots have beards, why do robots have names instead of numerical designations, why are robots programmed to feel pain, why do robots become wrestling champions? Have I made my point, I sincerely hope I have.
Depends on the fiction. My interpretation is that when two cybertronians fall in love and wish to reproduce each one opens there spark chambers and each spark embraces themselves. This is cybertronians sex. Sometimes a new spark is formed from the sharing of sharing sparks, and then they take the spark to an empty protoform and hope the new spark didn't degrade enough to die.
Yeah but they needed a reference image that had something to do with “transformers” and “love”. What? You want them to put rule 34 instead? I bet you would, Tullock.
The 2D Animated show had Optimus and I believe Alita. She was “left behind “ and became Blackarachnia. Pretty much like Sarah Kerrigan becoming the Queen of the Swarm. That show got cancelled and we never really saw the rest of the story playing out. She aligns with decepitcons but still has some feelings for him.
@@kylem7917 Not sure they actually fell in love, but certainly Ratchet feels some responsibility towards her, especially since he took the job of Omega Supreme baby sitter for her because she was too incapacitated to do it herself.
Lots of other notable relationships. Optimus and Elita-1 for sure. It was also hinted in G1, that IronHide and Chromia were a thing, MoonRacer and PowerGlide, Inferno and NovaStar ( AKA: FireStar)
Ok, how can you make a Transformers relationship video without mentioning Airrazor and Tigertron or Silverbolt and Blackarachnia? The former became fused into the most powerful Maximal in the series and the latter became one of the main plots of Beast Machines.
Even had the gall to show Airrazor and Tigertron, but not mention them! The audacity! But seriously, those two relationships carried a good portion of Beast Wars and Beast Machines for me.
My theory: Primus made a limit of how many sparks max can be alive at once, if one perishes and joins the allspark, it starts an automatic system that produces another one to compensate for it, that way there is no overpopulation.
I’m pretty sure it was intended that Hot Rod be the son of Optimus and Elita-1 in the 86 movie. Why else would Prime not fire on Megatron while he was using Hot Rod as a shield? Prime was able to shoot the shoulder straps keeping Spike in a moving transport bound for the space bridge, all without hurting spike at all. The only reason Prime didn’t fire would have been if Hot Rod was something more than just a random autobot. Like, Prime couldn’t trust himself not to miss Hot Rod because of all the emotions tied into: Hot Rod being his son Elite-1 probably being dead and Hot Rod reminding Prime of that. And facing Megatron again with the intent to finally end the war. Losing so many of his soldiers in one battle. But, that’s just a theory…a sexy robot theory.
You're antrhopomorphising to a fallacy here - a trap many people fall into when looking at alien races in science fiction. It's also Exhibit A of why the human race isn't even remotely ready for first contact with an advanced alien race - especially if that race is significantly alien to us. The sex robot theory fails whichever way you slice it. Firstly it was established in "The Key To Vector Sigma" that Transformers are only really alive when they're given sparks by Vector Sigma. In other words, Transformers aren't biologically reproducing in this continuity (Beast Machines is a completely different story, but it's also a radically different biology where the Maximals are concerned). At this point, the key to Vector Sigma was also destroyed. Prime does merge with Vector Sigma using the shell of the Matrix in "Rebirth Part 2", however Prime's dialogue in that scene, makes it clear that he's playing a hunch and has never done it before. Secondly, I completely agree that the Transformers as consumer goods, were created as companion robots in some cases - it's the logical explanation for why romantic relationships exist, when they are completely biologically incompatible with it. However corellation=/=causation. Even if you were to argue that Transformers were made to be sex robots (and being all metal, it doesn't hold up to scrutiny that they're sex toys), there's nothing to suggest that this included Transformers gestating and giving birth to offspring in this continuity. Thirdly, you're talking about mimicry, which C3P0 is a great example of. I forget the exact wording Anthony Daniels used when describing him in an interview I saw him in once, but it was essentially words to the effect of "he's considerate, caring and polite, but he has no idea what any of those things mean". The fallacy you're making here is presuming that just because Sunbow continuity Transformers mimic romantic relationship drives, that those artificial mimicries are automatically going to follow through to the natural tendencies they lead to, when they occur naturally in us. Fourthly, a very likely explanation for Prime's reaction to Hotrod was explained in the official companion comic to the G1 DVD Box set that was released here in Australia. It's set in 2001, during the very early stages of Metroplex's construction. Optimus Prime decides that he wants to keep the Matrix of Leadership hidden on Earth for safekeeping, only the Decepticons have caught wind of this and Soundwave and the cassettes are dispatched to steal it. Hotrod intercepts them and winds up physically coming into contact with the Matrix, where among other things, he has visions of his battle with Galvatron in the depths of Unicron. When the battle ends and hot Rod returns the Matrix to Optimus, it comes up that Hot Rod has has had a transformative encounter with the Matrix and Prime acknowledges that the Matrix has picked Hot Rod out for a special destiny. Why wouldn't that place extra pressure on Prime if the Matrix had singled out Hot Rod for a manifest destiny. In short, whichever way you slice it, the sex robot theory completely fails to hold up to scrutiny.
Well, we know that Transformers posses a Spark, which is the equivalent of a soul. It's possible that energy from a male and female Transforme's Soarks combined can create a new Transformer Spark as a method of reproduction, possibly containing energy-like traits from both parents, which could result in siblings.
Fanfic writers come up with some of the stupidest most convoluted explanations for the simplest things. Just have Cybertronians reproduce like humans and call it a day. It's not that hard! Replace the female ovum with a nanomachine and the male sperm with grey goo, and Boom! Cybertronian reproduction that doesn't need to go into weird territory. If you don't want to involve Allspark/Vector Sigma mumbo jumbo, just have the newborn Spark "bud" off of the parents. Or if you want to keep that you could have the newborn protoform placed in an incubation pod and lower it into the Well of Allsparks or something. Actually didn't Animated do something like that? Prowl's mentor was in charge of a nursery full of protoforms, wasn't he?
@@jonathanprince707 You must not know about the Mech Preg tag on AO3. The ovum is called a gestation chamber and sperm is called nanites. It's surprisingly consistent across stories despite not being based on any canon from any of the shows. Even the biological terms for body parts are repeated across stories. And they are all treated as a hermaphrodite species which I guess compensates for how there seems to be more male Cybertronians in shows than female.
I remember reading a fanfic years ago that went with the idea that Cybertronian procreations involved a combination of both partners sacrificing a portion of their sparks, raw material and nanotech fluid.
They're aliens from another planet that are mechanical instead of biological, inexplicably bear superficial resemblances to earth vehicles, and on multiple occasions are even named after Earth creatures, and the thing you find weird is that there are females?
It’s wild that some guys feel the need to ask “Why do women exist?” as if women need a reason to exist. Or worse, they act as if our only purpose is to sexually reproduce, so the idea of a species that reproduces asexually having females is weird.
Personally I like the idea that their names back home are just incomprehensible to us, so they pick catchy names. Though that only really works for autobots. It's possible for a lot of them that their names are literally translated or some shit idk man
@@eta_carithebrightlord3396it's like in Star Wars. In canon everyone mostly use standard galactic language yet in movies, games, shows etc actors talk in English so ,,we would understand " ;). Kinda like that
Air Razor and Tigatron-- she managed to get him to give up on solitude some time after he lost his organic foundation which he himself named Snowstalker. There's also Blackarachnia and Silverbolt-- opposites attract after all.
Well in the original continuity the Transformers simply built them up when they need new members for their factions, they simply use Vector Sigma, the Matrix or their own sparks to create new Transformers, however in Transformers Beast Machines the Oracle managed to merge both metal and flesh in the Maximals, creating a new kind of Transformers that is called Tecnorganic, so perhaps, and that´s just my guess, they can have sexual reproduction since in this part of the story the Transformers really had sex and gender thanks to the organic animals they scan
By the time beast machines came about transformers technology evolved beyond vector sigma which was still around in beast machines I mean a lot happened since transformers rebirth I mean nebulans was just becoming binary bonded to transformers and then we saw the pretenders, micromasters and actionmasters Then the Japanese transformers was some other whole ish too how advanced they wass
You forgot somebody. Someone who really makes you wonder how Transformers procreate. Wheelie, the child bot. There's a picture book that was published that explains Wheelie's origin. He crash landed on Quintessa with his parents. Yes, according to this picture book, Wheelie had parents. They died in the crash leaving him an orphan. "The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson". I use to have the book. I don't know if it's canon though. Wheelie is the only child Transformer that I know of. I don't think there were any other child Transformers in Masterforce, Victory, Zone, or Battlestars. There's no explanation as to how his parents made Wheelie. Most Transformers are built as fully formed adults. Why a child bot? No explanation.
There are child transformers in the manga version of Victory. My guess is that some bots heard about families and want to give it a try, so they built their own child.
also Wheelie in the Michael Bay movies was humping Mikaela. why would he have the urge to simulate a sex act if thats not part of their genetic programming? unless he saw it on the internet and thought it was cool.
So here's my theory. Joined budden. Unlike normal budden were they come out fully grown clones but joined budden needs two bots, a guider and a forger. The forger takes birth metal from both parents and molds it into a protoform body and the guider mixes a small sample of inner most energon from both bots and puts it in the protoform's spark chamber. Now here's the tricky part both creators must find a hotspot (bringing the protoform body) and locate a newspark. Once the spark is found it will sence the protoform, go into the spark chamber, then the chamber will close and now to cybertronian. In 2 to 3 months the spark will make their own inner most energon. The buddlet will need time to cool down and deep codeing like any other protoform. What do you think of this theory?
For a cybertronican, gender is only a shape of the chassis. There are male and female cybertronians, but in actually it doesn't matter, cause a new spark can form within the sharing of sparks between two cybertronians of the same gender.
@@skyatollah2skyharder276 Because they are only "built" in the original series. They are either never said how they are existed or not, but it should be noted that not all life of fiction should be organic. Like I said "in my thinking" which means "headcanon", not fact. I never presented this as fact. If you don't like "Cybertronians are built, not born", why did you click on this video?
The G1 cartoon showed us many times how transformers came to be..despite showing 2 genders. They might swap lubricant oil in a kiss just like Sam Witwicky when he kissed the decepticon pretender. BUT even Lockdown told Optimus Prime " WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU CAME FROM?..YOU THINK YOU WERE BORN?..NO...YOU WERE BUILT"..
I'm surprised that you mentioned arcee but also didn't mention about her relationship with Jack for a lot of people that saw the series and know it as well from T.P. the series did heavenly shown that she was very happy to have him with her and there were moments where she there are shown signs of excitement and well wishful thinking to show him what she had experienced in gooder days I will not say intimate relationship but a relationship a relationship between people that became more closer than well partners
I choose to think that they were made by vector sigma, primus, or the all-spark and the genders are probably representing different roles. Males are usually the stronger ones while females are usually sleeker and stealthier (although there are exceptions). A relationship between two transformers or one transformer and a human is an optional thing. Honestly,the gender and reproduction thing doesn’t really matter to me. What if they choose their gender (unlike humans)?
@@nationstremblebeforeme1487 if ur talking about Strika, then I think she thinks like a female while in a masculine protoform. Which only adds on to my theory about them choosing what they are before they’re made (unless vector sigma/ the all spark are experimenting which I personally do not prefer…
TF Prime eluded to everything coming from the Well of Allsparks, which is basically a direct route down to Primus at Cybertron's core, though that was only the sparks, they never say where the protoforms come from. As for the couples thing, if they were brave enough to do interspecies stuff in G1, they should have tried again with the later shows at least once. They really missed the shot not developing the relationship between Jack and Arcee more.
@@shawerful5209 Fred Perry is an artist, he created multiple full colour porn comics depicting Jack, Arcee and a couple others engaging in some high quality interspecies cooperation.
In the live action series, I got the strong impression that they _can_ have babies. In tf3, Megatron was feeding 'hatchings,' and in tf4, Lockdown says, "You think you were born? No. You were built." OK, so 'born' is one of the options, and I guess a common one. Then in tf5, Hound mentioned his dad never calling, but I refuse to acknowledge that film as being part of the same universe. It makes sense, too. If they can transform any part of their body into anything, than why not make a new individual. Maybe the difference between a male and a female is that the females are equipped with the tech necessary to construct a working spark, or 'lasercore,' as it was called in g1.
Hey, you credited the wrong artist for the thumbnail. The art is by Auroisa. Furthermore, please make sure you request permission to use art before using it to begin with!!
4:44 why didn't they make this the pilot? Having them be energy beings that create bodies by possessing and transforming machinery would have been way cooler and less confusing than organic robots that share physical features with various machines created on a distant planet. Heck, they could have made it so the heads are their main vessels that have mechanical tendrils that burrow into machinery in order to take control of it, then make a reoccurring plot point where a main character gets injured only to spot another vehicle nearby that they transfer to in order to turn the tide of battle, so you can sell kids multiple versions of the same characters!
I think that they're trying to further improve their Transformer lifecycle reproduction concept. I'd image that it does you a kind of Protoform, or Cyberproteac mass first, laced with the CNA (yes they went that far in TFP) or parental energon coding, and then some kind of spark energy union from the "parents."
Are we not going to talk about the thumbnail I just clicked on so Windblade and Starscream are a thing now she was trying to kill Starscream in Combiner Wars
How about this for male and female transformers reproduction. USB-type cable information transference that results in the female becoming like the X-men’s Master Mold. She pops out a protoform (or even multiple) who’s cpu spins like a slot machine. Randomizing male or female. Or she pops out a “minicon” that sheds and grows like a crab. Didn’t the last Bay movie have Quintessa lay protoform eggs that didn’t survive?
Completely missing from this are the relationships from G1 between Optimus and Elita One, Ironhide and Moonracer and Springer and Arcie As well as missing the implied reproduction mentioned in Revenge of the Fallen when 1) We see some sort of juvenile Decepticons with Starscream stating they need energon 2) the Dead Primes calling Optimus their last descendent and 3)in The Last Knight we see “baby “ versions of Dinobots. All of these imply some other form of reproduction.
Springer and Arcee was bullshit, They only did that to Isolate Rodimus so he's doubt himself more. Think about It Optimus had Elita throughout his time on Cybertron. In the movie she was clearly into Hot Rod yet dumps him once he becomes Rodimus? Oh No Springer was almost killed, meanwhile Rodimus nearly loses his hand saving everyone from the thing that killed Springer. Hey Kids if you want a Girl to like you don't do anything heroic just Neary Die! Explains the 90's to a Tee.
@@Fenris30 I won’t take sides in any love triangle. Honestly I never saw it that way. What ever the writers reasons any real life set of people ( or aliens robots or other wise) finding themselves in a love triangle and one of them effectively becoming “the leader” could have many reasons the girl chooses one over the other ( something we might not see on screen).
The romantic bonds in the Sunbow cartoon had nothing whatsoever to do with sexual reproduction or any kind of natural pair bonding. It was established in "Five Faces of Darkness" that the Autobots were originally created as a line of home assistance/companion/worker robots ("consumer products" was the exact description, as opposed to the Decepticons, which were "military hardware"). The Autobots in the Sunbow cartoon were as capable of sexual reproduction, as the androids in "Detriot Become Human" or the Synths in "Humans" were. Furthermore their all metal design, all but expressly rules out the possibility of them being glorified sex toys. I mean there's a possibility that some alien race out there had that masochistic a level of kink, but it's highly unlikely that they'd have been a large enough market to shape the entire production line.
@@andrewrichards312 I wasn’t implying that form of reproduction was the case in G1. But that the video completely skipped several. In the Bayverse movies we see other things implied however. To separate storylines.
@@patmacken5130 I recognise that it's different in different continuities, and many of them feature terrible universe building, which is representative of the very kind of anthrocentic thinking which is why the human race isn't even remotely ready for first contact with an advanced alien race. Many people don't even understand why the gender spectrum, range of sexual orientations or the very act of pair bonding, are the way they are in their own species. The fact is that as much as social constructionists will suffer a burst aneurysm from me saying this, our biology frames the nature of our range of sexual orientations, gender spectrum and even the very act of pair bonding. When you break down the act of pair bonding, the nature of our range of sexual orientations and our gender spectrum, it's all framed by us being a bisexually reproducing species. If we were a trisexually reproducing species or a monosexually reproducing species for example, those things would manifest themselves radically different to how they do. In Sunbow they things were the way they were because Transformers were made to be house robots for biological species who were bisexually reproducing, so it worked from the aspect of mimicry. In Beast Wars, Transformers were robot/animal chimeras, so things worked there because of the animal portion of their chimerism. Then ironically, for all the hate it cops, Beast Machines is the most compatible with it, because the Maximals are technorganic and appear to also be bisexually reproducing. Yes other continuities set up things like gaiasexual reproduction (for want of a better term) with IDW for example (the planet being the sole source of reproduction for a sterile race), or something similar with the Allspark being the sole source of reproduction, with no additional factors like chimerism or mimicry to make the relevant human traits or dynamics plausible. However those things in those continuities, make as much sense when you hold them up to scrutiny, as if you, as a human being, were born from a mother who was a crocodile, who was in turn inseminated by a father who was a bengal tiger. That's the levels of implausibility we're talking about. The problem is with many of these continuities is either you wind up with people who should stick to explosions and set piece car chases like Michael Bay, who don't understand science fiction and alien races (from memory, he wrote ROTF due to the writer's strike), or you wind up with things like the IDW comic continuity, where Scott and Roberts cared first and foremost about the message, while creating the universe to make the stories conveying that message plausible in the first place, came dead last. At the end of the day, people need to realise that while there is a heap of stuff that's just redundant and taken for granted, when you're writing stories solely about human beings, that luxury goes right out the window when you're dealing with alien races. We will be similar where the roots of certain traits and social phenomena are similar. However the moment you have aspects of their biology which are fundamentally alien to ours, the related social phenomena will be equally as alien to their counterparts in our society.
It's my head canon that Hotrod was the son of Optimus and Elita. In the episode The Search for Alpha Trion, Optimus literally pulls a hose out of his body and plugs it into Elita-1's port while still connected to Optimus. He groans and gyrates and lights flash and flicker. It's fairly weird, but tell me that doesn't look like they were mating! Anyway, some time after we get a young "lad" robot named Hotrod who has both the colors of Optimus and Elita. It certainly looks like Transformers can merge their sparks for reproduction.
The problem is that the talents of the writers were eclipsed by their ambitions. That much is clear when you have the kind of overly anthropomorphised depictions of a radically alien race, as compared to our own, which are Exhibit A as to why the human race isn't even remotely ready for first contact with an advanced alien civilisation.
The one thing that Bay actually did something right and fixed the whole problem with the BS that lost me at Six minutes in. This is kind of simplified. The formation of the body can be either pre-built or come from a Proto-form that scans for an alt-mode. Hence from Transformium, (Until someone comes up with a better name for it.) gives them this ability physically. During these two different ways the program for each Transformer is processed either before or after a platform is accessible. With the Proto-form the programing is already there and the body is needed. With the body being built first, the program has to be entered into his/her CPU. The Programs started out as copies of conscious Quintessons for the first Transformers. From then on the new programs were transferred from the males to the Females by Electrical connections requiring programs that are half of his with half of hers, and only the Females have the special CPUs that can rewrite programs for this application. Liquid transfer does not make any mechanical sense even with the ability of Transformium, unless you actually want to add into the Canon of this Universe living creatures including Plants, Animals and Human Hybrids.
Excuse me, but the credit of the thumbnail is wrong. The real artist of the artwork is a woman named Auroisa, who apparently you did NOT ask for permission to use this art from. Please change the thumbnail.
You know the dressing down Whirl gave to Cyclonus on Getaway and Tailgate? Kind of how I felt about Chromedome and Rewind. Fact is, Chromedown was a debbie downer. No idea what Rewind saw in him. That is when he noticed him past his Dominus Ambus obsession. A fact which made Domey's devotion actually look a little pathetic. The couple was arguably an unhealthy pairing, if no co-dependent. Cyke and Tailgate was best couple out of that era. Arcee and Greenlight are probably best modern era couple.
I was thinking about it for straight 19 years. I saw, in G1, how the Dinobots came to be: built by Wheeljack 'jackie', The Constructicons: Megatron created them, The Combaticons: Starscream brought them to life, etc. I had to go deeper and deeper into this matter. I didn't know that Breakdown and Knockout had a thing for each other, but now I do.
A shame that Marvelous Video didn´t speak about the marriage of Deathsaurus and Emerald, that was the very first and official marriage between Transformers and one that put the stones to finally end the conflict between Autobots and Decepticons in the japanesse saga
hate to tell you buddy but the ALL SPARK is not from the Bay-verse first I heard of it was in passing in the series: Transformers Robots in Disguise 2006 from Optimums speaking with the human child in that series.
in my own take on Transformers new Cybertronians are "born" when a mature Cybertronian, takes a piece of their spark and place it into a Protoform a couple, can even take a piece from each and put it in the same Protoform, at the same time that way I have both Whirl and Whirl Jr. (the cyclops and the rescue bots academy girl) as father and daughter
It was already shown in G1 that Transformers mainly reproduce by preparing pre-existing machines (vehicles, weapons, etc) to acquire a secondary form that is Cybertronian in nature, usually a bi-pedal humanoid form that is interchangeable with it's original form. From there, the new Transformer has a blank slate mind, so it must be brought to Vecter Sigma (the main Cybertronian computer that gave all transformers life) to recieve a custom personality. Whether the new transformer becomes a Decepticon, or Autobot, depends on the instructions given to Vecter Sigma prior to the personality dispersal.
In my mind transformers have semi liquid metals what I thought happened is you take two sparks they make a new one and liquid metal amalgamation of sorts takes the spark and forms it over time into a cybertronian and then they slowly grow into a older cybertronian until they get too old and they’re spark gives out
Because they live so long it’s rare that there are conjunx enduras and there’s no care in gender. There are many ways Cybertronians are made. Smelting pools, building, spark creation, and protoforms
I distintly remember that the transfromers use to be feash and bone. Along with tranceforming rocks that inhabited another planet. Both of which had some form of catalisum that morphed them in to there present forms. At the end of the ark spike and chip pondered whether or not humanity would go thought a similar event.
You're thinking of Gobots/Machine Men. They were originally biological humanoids who transfered themselves into robotic bodies. Completely different franchise.
I honestly don't like how everyone makes the Allspark into some McGuffin instead of making it into a metaphysical thing (literally Primus's soul). Could instead create something like a Allspark Matrix that links the physical with the metaphysical. Also are female Transformers a thing because 1/13th of the population is descended from Solus Prime who was female? Oh, and BTW. Arcee will always be for everyone Rattrap's great-aunt. Edit: Also sexuality shouldn't be in any Transformers media. They are friggin mechanical.
well if Cybertron sent out probes to biological based civilizations, then they might study binary gender sets. Depends on the universe, Primus created them... or the Quintessons... it's a coin flip.
@@AsmodeusDHare No. Applying anything of this to sentient machines no matter how or what is beyond stupid. This is something IDW did and was not only not needed but also idiotic. No romance between bots. Is it straight or not.
The 13 Primes storyline is an absolute disaster when it comes to universe building being plausible from a hard science fiction perspective; it's a textbook example of why Michael Bay should stick to things he understands - namely explosions and set piece car chases (from memory, Bay wound up writing ROTF due to the writer's strike of '09). The Rattrap line is a weird one as Beast Wars straddles between G1 Cartoon and Marvel G1/G2 comic. The interesting thing is that the UK Fan Club, Transmasters, did have HotRod giving birth to Arcee through budding, so if Rattrap was the product of budding and Hot Rod reproduced twice via budding, it's possible (although Hotrod advised against the process afterwards because of how painful it was). As for sexuality, it all depends on the continuity as to whether it makes sense. In Sunbow for example, the Autobots were originally robot maids and robot butlers among other things, while the romantic pairings also suggest they were intended to be companion robots (sex robots doesn't make sense from a design perspective as they're all metal). When you get to Beast Machines however, where the Maximals are technorganic however, anything should be fair game.
@@CommanderBohn I'm not talking about Romance, I was talking about why there are masculine and feminine attributes. I think the romance part is stupid outside of vague romance you see in the Original show. (Optimus Prime/Elita-1) My theory was probes sent out came back with what was most often seen in the universe and thus the cybertronians were modeled off that. Now if you watched Beast Machines, the binary body styles might be ingrained from the era where biological life existed.
@@AsmodeusDHare There are major problems with your response here. Firstly let's be clear here - we're not simply talking about masculine or feminine Transformers, which we perceive as being either male or female, through our human observer bias; we're talking about actual male and female Transformers. Male and Female have everything to do with romance and sexual reproduction, because the entire concept of male and female beings in a specific species, is itself, a manifestation sexual dimorphism which exists for the purposes of procreation. The fact is that so much of our human nature, experiences and civilsation - ranging form our pair-bonding, to our range of sexual orentations, to our gender spectrum, to even how and why the dawn of civilisation occurred, all come down to us being a bisexually reproducing species. If were were monosexually reproducing or trisexually reproducing, those things would look radically different. The reality is that having differing genders without any other trace of romance or sex in Transformers, is fallacious because there is no justifiable reason for them being there from a world-building perspective. Furthermore, the reality is that when it comes to these aspects of our society manifesting themselves in Transformers, there needs to be some basis of bisexual reproduction in Transformers, which when it's been done well, can take a number of forms. The first is mimicry such as the G1 Sunbow Cartoon, where while the Decepticons were "military hardware", the Autobots were "consumer products". We've seen how those sorts of "consumer products", when marketed to client beings, wind up existing, in sci-fi like "Detroit Become Human", "Humans" and "The Animatrix". The Autobots as worker/companion/home-assistance robots, would be driven to pair bond and would have genders, because the roles they were being sold to fill mandated it. The second is Chimerism, like with Beast Wars. Due to scanning and replication, animal DNA fused with a Cybertronian and we know that the personality traits of the animals scanned also merged with their psychopathology, as established by "Call Of The Wild". Gender, sexual orientation and pair-bonding here all become plausible due to that chimerism. This also means that unless Cybertronians were specifically incorporating the DNA of sexually dimorphous alien life forms, there would be no plausible reason for merely sending out probes to other times and planets, would cause Cybtertronians to be gendered. The third of course is Beast Machines where the Maximals are technorganic, where everything up to biological procreation is possible. The reality is that people who write science fiction need to realise that with stories about humans, the worldbuilding is reduntant because our reality has already taken care of it. However when it comes to alien races, people need to start to realise that the more an alien race and society differs form ours, the more of their world that needs to be built, and done so in a plausible manner.
That spark could be like the spark of life to initialize a concentration of energon. The further the spark's from the original 13 transformers, the less sentience and more time it takes for that drone to become fully sentient with a character based on its donor. There's also the need for a lot of energon. In Beast wars, there's protoform sparks that's in stasis lock. It needs that initial push to sentience by a surrogate sharing their active sparks to the protoform's sparks to awaken it. So that mindless drones powered by energon like the Seeker drones will remain non-sentient until another active spark awakens it or it matures enough after being active for too long. Like in the Dark Ages IDW comics, Megatron mass produced Seeker clones but they stayed as drones until a lot more time to mature or a surrogate jumpstarts their spark into sentience. This could be how Cyclonus&Scourge could had made more of themselves. Like Galvatron, Cyclonus liked his uniqueness so he doesn't make more of himself unlike Scourge who's likely Bombshell originally had found seeker clones and used his Unicron corrupted spark to awaken those Seeker clones but also reformatted&imprinted his character on them. I assume like in the beast wars, this reformatting and awakening into Sweeps requires a lot of energon which Scourge likely hoarded to make more of himself so that the original one gets his clone to do the dirty work for him. So like Bombshell, he'd rather have his clones do the work for him. As for resurrecting transformers, if their corpse had not been melted yet, there's residual spark or imprint of it even if they went into stasis lock and it requires a lot of energon and a surrogate to jumpstart that reformat or reawakening process. I remember this procedure was used by Rhinox to resurrect Optimus Primal after he was blown up by Megatron in the Beast Wars cartoons.
They construct a body and visit Vector Sigma so a Spark can be placed with within the constructed body being a Decepticon or Autobot is based totally on who influences the the new Transformer at the time of it's creation
So, I know this video is wicked old, but another form of reproduction we need to look at comes from the 2007 show "Transformers: Animated". Where their future "generations" are in the form of "Protoforms", just waiting for a spark to give them life. Yes, the spark still comes from the "AllSpark" and the "Well of All Sparks", but as was shown in the episode where we see Prowl's past with Master Yoketron, ones spark can be removed and put into a new protoform to create another body for that bot. The show talks about how the protoforms are stored and protected by the guardians (the cyber ninja dojo) until they are needed, and how so many were stolen by Lockdown during the great war to hinder the Autobot population and bolster the Decepticon ranks.
Never EVEN Gave it A SINGLE THOUGHT !! lol.. it’s a CARTOOOOOOOON!!! I mean .. if I was a 5 year old baby child.. def would be a thought provoking question lol
Hey what about Optimus and Elita? Arnt they the most iconic couple? And i know Arcee and Cliffjumper where a popular ship but i dont think they where canon my guy thats like me shipping Arcee and sideswipe being canon just cause they where friends i ship it but i know its not real.
honestly why do we categorize love as being something inherently sexual? asexual people for example can still love and have romantic relationships. for transformers its just like that, they form a bond and stick together. i really enjoy couples in the idw comics its honeslty so cute esp the relationship between tailgate and cyclonus.💗💗💗
Well, in fact, since sexual reproduction is probably present in individual transformer universes, this raises a whole series of questions: How do such acts occur in principle? What exactly processes occur during “pregnancy” and “childbirth”? Do acts of sexual violence in Cybertronian and Cybertronian society exist as "heterosexual" and/or "homosexual"? How is the theme of active sex life and other little things developed in the society of transformers?
Transformers are definitely living in a sense that defies what we conceive of as robots. For one thing, they have an almost insectoid build. They have hard chassis or carapace that makes up a majority of their alternative modes/camouflage. The flexible material underneath is fascinating as it allows them to stretch and move like the skin and muscles of animals like humans. Then there must also be a skeletal system as unlike insects, a transformer needs a frame to support his or her frame. Now, knowing this -- and I hate to give any credence here -- maybe "sticky" fans have a point. Yet, transformers do make off-handed remarks about the grossness of flesh creatures in general... either because they don't do that or because theirs is cleaner and natural for them? Who knows? I've always thought that the All-Spark or even the Matrix of Leadership made life for lifeless constructs or that machines just built each other, then programmed life into the new bots. 😅
If there's no fetish influenced kinky automated assembly line anywhere in this video we should all feel very grateful that we too managed to avoid that oil change.
Honestly, I’ve never liked the idea of new Transformers being simply built out of spare parts like the Dinobots and such. It’s just that always thought for such a race of highly advanced and sentient machines, I’ve felt that the birth of new ones was always more involved than, say, coming off an assembly line. It’s kinda like how Arcee in TP pointed out that we simply can’t build another human from spare parts as well. And of course I never even consider anything from the live action movies.
The problem is that Aligned also sufferers from bad universe building by drawing on the movie origins. There are really only 3 scenarios where sex, gender, sexual orientation and/or pair bonding work in Transformers. The first is mimicry like with G1 - minus sex and sexual reproduction. The second is chimerism, like with Beast Machines; sex may be possible but the sexual reproduction is unlikely. Ironically, the third scenario is when Transformers are technorganic and for all the hate it cops, the example where everything is on the table and makes the most sense, is the Maximals in Beast Machines. With everything else, where the transformers are sterile beings, produced by either Planet Cybertron or the Allspark, they make zero sense (and yes, I'm saying that the 13 Primes is a textbook example of why Michael Bay should stick to explosions and set-piece car chases).
How to transformers reproduce well basically. Remember when you had your two action figures and you used to smack them together. When they were fighting as a kid basically that's how they reproduce it's like basically slapping two of your action figures together really hard.
HA!!!! Absolutely well stated ..! Mic 🎤 drop my friend
This reminds me of the rock bashing two toys against each other in that family guy clip
Perhaps the very first two Cockacon and Vaginicon came together with tons of motor oil.. who knows right ? I swear to god if it comes up in a already over done movie addition .. lol 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
And she hated it when you stuck a finger in her tailpipe.
Lmao
I think an important thing that is not mentioned here is the motivation of Primus, the God of the Transformers.
It has been explained that both Primus and Unicron were created by a even almightier God, The One. Or that they were one being separated into two opposing forces. Or any of the multiple interpretations. However, a lot of those interpretations still only say that Primus and Unicron were both ancient, but not necessarily the first signs of life in the Universe. Primus having traveled the universe saw that there was life, animals and plants. Upon fighting Unicron, Primus had created the first thirteen Transformers, the first Primes. Presumably, the first Transformers were created in a method very similar to budding, spawning from Primus itself. After the defeat of Unicron, Primus and the first Transformers, continued to use the budding method until the quota of Transformers were met, which time the method was meant to be sealed away. However, during this time Primus did something that it noticed was common among organic life, it created two sexes, even though it served no real purpose. Primus had given the Transformers a means to produces sexually, but Transformers being more logical robots, saw no purpose to do so. Especially when there were more efficient ways to reproduce. Once through the previously unsealed budding method. Later on through a method where Transformers discovered that Cybertron would occasionally spawn Protoforms with Sparks. Protoforms being Transformers which did not yet choose their forms and purpose yet; and the Sparks from this method were dubbed "Forged". But this method would also eventually be less and less frequently used as Cybertron's Protoforms would eventually dry up. The Transformers would then look to a new method of creating Transformers. The new method involved using The Matrix to split existing Sparks to create new ones, and then have these inhabit bodies there were pre-constructed; this would be the "Cold Constructed" method. Sentiments found with the "Cold Constructed" method made it so female Transformers were becoming more and more of a minority. Remember that Transformers still do things at times with a cold logic. There just wasn't a purpose to female Transformers, when you could just construct Transformers, more so when pre-constructed Transformers would already have their purpose assigned.
Much later on, during Beast Wars and Beast Machines, it is revealed that there is a "prophecy" that would introduce organic life to Cybertron. The purpose of this was always intended to do what Primus itself could not do. Primus' creation of the Transformers was nothing more than an imitation of life, and it deemed it necessary to introduce organic life to create technorganic Transformers.
As Interesting as this is, I would like some Sources for this just so I know that it's not Fannon.
@@garrisonmoncher5461 Seconded.
Also wondering where IDW Primus being a psychiatrist fits into the overall mythology.
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Source on "The One", it's from the DK Publishing 'Transformers: The Ultimate Guide'. Stated in it, The One, a being that existed before the present Transformers universe, created Unicron and from it Primus to explore the universe.
Something never mentioned but alluded to, is that Primus, Vector Sigma, and the Oracle are either all the same or all work towards the same goal as Primus. They've been interchangeable due to the long lore and multiple retcons in the past. And the weird inconsistencies between both Japanese and Western lore.
Such as the fact that the Transformers were not the first creations of Primus. But there was a prototype race called Trans-Organics. As shown in the Japanese G-1 continuity. The Trans-Organics were more akin to animals, and considered a failure since they weren't smart enough to communicate. These were created by Vector Sigma.
In Beast Machines, it is talked about how Primus/Oracle/Vector Sigma wanted to revert and restore the balance between both organic and inorganic life. The thing is, this is all given to Optimus and Megatron through a "prophecy" from the Oracle. And time and time again has shown that Transformers don't actually have true agency. In Beast Wars, Megatron rewrites Rhinox into a Predacon. In Beast Machines, Megatron has multiple generals with Sparks who are programmed to be loyal. This is an allusion to the point that Optimus Primal and Megatron did not actually have agency. Prophecy in Transformers talk is just programming. This is where the idea that Transformers were always just imitations of life comes from. Because they're just robots to be programmed still. Sparks only give life, but the programming of the body still overrides "agency".
From IDW's 2005 continuity, there is a great discussion with a Transformer named Rung. This is because in this continuity there is the "Functionist Council" of the Transformers. The idea was that each Transformers had a purpose, and their purpose was tied to their alternate forms. The problem came from the fact that no one could figure out what Rung's alternate mode was, and it clashed against the idea that each Transformer had their own place in society. So, they eventually just clarify Rung as an ornament. Not knowing the truth that he was Primus and his alternate mode was to create the new Sparks of life for Transformers. He had just lived for so long that he had forgotten everything. This continuity also is the first time to introduce one of modern Megatron's motivations. Revealing that Megatron was a mining bot who dreamed of being more. But his ideas clashed against the Functionist Council, and would eventually start the Great War. There is a story in this continuity that actually explains why Megatron rejects being a mining bot. In this continuity there are two forms of reproduction, Forged and Cold Constructed. Forged was the natural way, Cybertron would produce Sparks and Protoforms that would choose their form. And in unique scenarios, Cybertron would create "Point One Percenter" Sparks, just special Sparks with more power and agency. Cold Constructed, was where Sparks were induced and forced into prefabricated bodies. This is where it gets complicated. Someone decided to go back in time to kill Megatron before he was created by the Cold Constructed method. This plan was stopped and obviously Megatron would still be created. However, this is where it is revealed that Megatron is a Point One Percenter, and its Spark fell into the pile of Cold Constructed Transformers, forcing Megatron into a body that it did not choose. And would eventually lead Megatron into always feeling that something was wrong with its life. It is also in this continuity that we get Arcee, and this may get controversial but please just understand this is just what was written. Arcee is explained to have been originally a male Transformer, who always felt "different". It is in this continuity that we learn that in the way past there were equal abundance of both male and female Transformers. But that Transformer would just eventually settle on that they could live genderless and focused on the Functionist Council's role on practicality and assigned roles in Transformers society. Arcee not happy with themselves, allowed Jhiaxis to experiment on them. Jhiaxis was curious about the purpose of the two genders in the past and wanted to reintroduce it to Transformers society. And thus converted Arcee from male to female.
Now, one of the biggest "problems" of Transformers lore is how they attempted to rectify all the lore. We're going to delve into the Transformers Equivalent of DC's Crisis on Infinities Earths. So, prior to 2015 I believe at the start of Transformers Armada (2002), beings like Primus and Unicron were designated as Multiverversal Singularities. Meaning prior to 2015, all stories about Multiversal Singularities had some shreds of truth to them. But that each different universe saw the same being but explained their origins to the best of their abilities. It's basically that one can't truly understand God-like beings. So all of the origin stories of Primus and Unicron were "true". But this caused a major headache with each new subsequent series and each new origin. So, in 2015, they had an event that would nullify Multiverversal Singularities and split them into their own continuities. So, everything prior to 2015 is considered one canon in a sea of multi-canon; and everything after the event was now its own thing but also recognizing that each past story is also now its own thing. Generally speaking everything before 2015 can be combined in some way or form if it was about origin stories, but after 2015 you couldn't, but they still were. Honestly it's complicated, because a lot of the stories prior to 2015 played with the Multiverversal Singularities idea, and then after they no longer did.
So, for reproduction and the idea of gender in Transformers, prior to 2015 all of it was somehow one canon. Afterwards, it's an all new canon. But who knows for how long.
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Rung being a psychiatrist means nothing in the continuity. The purpose of that story was that Transformers society had assigned everyone with a job at birth. And that there were those whose purposes could not be ascertained, like Rung.
Megatron would be a foil to this idea, in that Megatron was supposed to be a Transformer who could've chosen its own purpose as a Forged Transformer, but due to time traveling, its Spark would end up in a Cold Constructed body.
Again paralleled again with Arcee, who felt uncomfortable in a male body. And eventually transition into a female one.
Because the assigned purpose at birth was a bullshit reason in Transformers society.
@@ArcDragoon Thank you for that.
I still need to watch the Jp G1 series and to look through the IDW series but the rest I remember seeing or hearing.
Arcee (Are•see / R•C) was NOT in love with Cliff Jumper.
They were combat partners. Comrades in arms, and he wasn't her first partner to die, and why she was reluctant to take on any new partners, cybertronian or human.
The closest we see to a relationship on T:P is when Arcee and Optimus almost die in the Antarctic.
Optimus is basicly old enough to be arcee's dad. Holding hands doesn't always mean love.
I beg to differ on Arcee and Prime.
@friends with benefits if you remember in transformers prime like battle partner human Jack or whatever his name was
People also love to forget that you can be platonic lifepartners as well. Romance is not needed to be a couple.
they were still not in a relationship, just a soldier and leader relationship.
Why do female robots exist, I don’t know, why do robots have beards, why do robots have names instead of numerical designations, why are robots programmed to feel pain, why do robots become wrestling champions? Have I made my point, I sincerely hope I have.
They're not robots, they're aliens....
if they have culture like we do why wouldnt they also have a "gender" as a way to express themselves
Names because it's cool and to feel pain is to feel what's wrong
They are alien not robot ,sentinel was right about y'all "on cybertron we we're God ,in here they call us machine"
The real question is why not
Depends on the fiction.
My interpretation is that when two cybertronians fall in love and wish to reproduce each one opens there spark chambers and each spark embraces themselves. This is cybertronians sex. Sometimes a new spark is formed from the sharing of sharing sparks, and then they take the spark to an empty protoform and hope the new spark didn't degrade enough to die.
Decepticon porn
Wow, that's lame and not supported by any canon. They're robots.
@@skyatollah2skyharder276 They are mechanicaloids, not exactly robots.
@@stanleyteriaca2184 The fuckin' tagline is "Robots in Disguise."
@@skyatollah2skyharder276 That's what she said
Blud tried to bait us with the Wingblade and Starscream thumbnail💀💀
Cybertronian politics goes hard
Windblade*
@@LightBloxVidsYTbro what are you talking about it’s wedgeblade
Windscream or Starblade shipping when
@@DaBaddestPiggywhat are you talking about? its chickenwingblade!
You keep showing that picture of two transformers embracing each other in love... doesn't she betray him on the next page? lol
Yeah but they needed a reference image that had something to do with “transformers” and “love”. What? You want them to put rule 34 instead? I bet you would, Tullock.
@@crazybobert5243 Tw T great now I have "those" comics in my mind thanks a lot jackass Tw T I hate my life
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@@crazybobert5243 i-it was a joke
Ahh yes!
Just like a Real woman!
The 2D Animated show had Optimus and I believe Alita. She was “left behind “ and became Blackarachnia. Pretty much like Sarah Kerrigan becoming the Queen of the Swarm. That show got cancelled and we never really saw the rest of the story playing out. She aligns with decepitcons but still has some feelings for him.
That's Transformers Animated (Tfa), one of the best transformers series ever.
That same show had Ratchet fall in love with Arcee before Lockdown took her out
@@kylem7917 Not sure they actually fell in love, but certainly Ratchet feels some responsibility towards her, especially since he took the job of Omega Supreme baby sitter for her because she was too incapacitated to do it herself.
*Elita
Lots of other notable relationships. Optimus and Elita-1 for sure. It was also hinted in G1, that IronHide and Chromia were a thing, MoonRacer and PowerGlide, Inferno and NovaStar ( AKA: FireStar)
Ok, how can you make a Transformers relationship video without mentioning Airrazor and Tigertron or Silverbolt and Blackarachnia? The former became fused into the most powerful Maximal in the series and the latter became one of the main plots of Beast Machines.
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Bro I got mad that he mentioned BOTANICA AND RATTRAP... AND YET NO SILVERBOLT AND BLACKARACHNIA???? 🤦🏻♂️😒
Yes!
Optimus and elita?
Even had the gall to show Airrazor and Tigertron, but not mention them! The audacity!
But seriously, those two relationships carried a good portion of Beast Wars and Beast Machines for me.
My theory: Primus made a limit of how many sparks max can be alive at once, if one perishes and joins the allspark, it starts an automatic system that produces another one to compensate for it, that way there is no overpopulation.
I’m pretty sure it was intended that Hot Rod be the son of Optimus and Elita-1 in the 86 movie. Why else would Prime not fire on Megatron while he was using Hot Rod as a shield? Prime was able to shoot the shoulder straps keeping Spike in a moving transport bound for the space bridge, all without hurting spike at all. The only reason Prime didn’t fire would have been if Hot Rod was something more than just a random autobot. Like, Prime couldn’t trust himself not to miss Hot Rod because of all the emotions tied into:
Hot Rod being his son
Elite-1 probably being dead and Hot Rod reminding Prime of that.
And facing Megatron again with the intent to finally end the war.
Losing so many of his soldiers in one battle.
But, that’s just a theory…a sexy robot theory.
I think it was said somewhere that elita was still alive after the events of the movie tho
@NYC/lyricists Bkborn maybe optmius could hsve created hit rod to be his ultimt welo. Again st megtron so transfomers. Breddi b
You're antrhopomorphising to a fallacy here - a trap many people fall into when looking at alien races in science fiction. It's also Exhibit A of why the human race isn't even remotely ready for first contact with an advanced alien race - especially if that race is significantly alien to us. The sex robot theory fails whichever way you slice it.
Firstly it was established in "The Key To Vector Sigma" that Transformers are only really alive when they're given sparks by Vector Sigma. In other words, Transformers aren't biologically reproducing in this continuity (Beast Machines is a completely different story, but it's also a radically different biology where the Maximals are concerned). At this point, the key to Vector Sigma was also destroyed. Prime does merge with Vector Sigma using the shell of the Matrix in "Rebirth Part 2", however Prime's dialogue in that scene, makes it clear that he's playing a hunch and has never done it before.
Secondly, I completely agree that the Transformers as consumer goods, were created as companion robots in some cases - it's the logical explanation for why romantic relationships exist, when they are completely biologically incompatible with it. However corellation=/=causation. Even if you were to argue that Transformers were made to be sex robots (and being all metal, it doesn't hold up to scrutiny that they're sex toys), there's nothing to suggest that this included Transformers gestating and giving birth to offspring in this continuity.
Thirdly, you're talking about mimicry, which C3P0 is a great example of. I forget the exact wording Anthony Daniels used when describing him in an interview I saw him in once, but it was essentially words to the effect of "he's considerate, caring and polite, but he has no idea what any of those things mean". The fallacy you're making here is presuming that just because Sunbow continuity Transformers mimic romantic relationship drives, that those artificial mimicries are automatically going to follow through to the natural tendencies they lead to, when they occur naturally in us.
Fourthly, a very likely explanation for Prime's reaction to Hotrod was explained in the official companion comic to the G1 DVD Box set that was released here in Australia. It's set in 2001, during the very early stages of Metroplex's construction. Optimus Prime decides that he wants to keep the Matrix of Leadership hidden on Earth for safekeeping, only the Decepticons have caught wind of this and Soundwave and the cassettes are dispatched to steal it. Hotrod intercepts them and winds up physically coming into contact with the Matrix, where among other things, he has visions of his battle with Galvatron in the depths of Unicron. When the battle ends and hot Rod returns the Matrix to Optimus, it comes up that Hot Rod has has had a transformative encounter with the Matrix and Prime acknowledges that the Matrix has picked Hot Rod out for a special destiny. Why wouldn't that place extra pressure on Prime if the Matrix had singled out Hot Rod for a manifest destiny.
In short, whichever way you slice it, the sex robot theory completely fails to hold up to scrutiny.
Matt Patt needs to do an episode on this theory!!!
@@georgeso4364 It doesn't hold up to scrutiny at all, see my response where I completely debunk it.
Well, we know that Transformers posses a Spark, which is the equivalent of a soul. It's possible that energy from a male and female Transforme's Soarks combined can create a new Transformer Spark as a method of reproduction, possibly containing energy-like traits from both parents, which could result in siblings.
You don't want to read how it works in fanfiction. 😳
Fanfic writers come up with some of the stupidest most convoluted explanations for the simplest things.
Just have Cybertronians reproduce like humans and call it a day. It's not that hard!
Replace the female ovum with a nanomachine and the male sperm with grey goo, and Boom! Cybertronian reproduction that doesn't need to go into weird territory.
If you don't want to involve Allspark/Vector Sigma mumbo jumbo, just have the newborn Spark "bud" off of the parents.
Or if you want to keep that you could have the newborn protoform placed in an incubation pod and lower it into the Well of Allsparks or something.
Actually didn't Animated do something like that? Prowl's mentor was in charge of a nursery full of protoforms, wasn't he?
@@jonathanprince707 You must not know about the Mech Preg tag on AO3. The ovum is called a gestation chamber and sperm is called nanites. It's surprisingly consistent across stories despite not being based on any canon from any of the shows. Even the biological terms for body parts are repeated across stories. And they are all treated as a hermaphrodite species which I guess compensates for how there seems to be more male Cybertronians in shows than female.
I have seen somethings in fanfiction 😳
Most fics I've seen have it basically be pretty much the same way humans do it.
@@evanboll4651 Because people are cucks
I remember reading a fanfic years ago that went with the idea that Cybertronian procreations involved a combination of both partners sacrificing a portion of their sparks, raw material and nanotech fluid.
They're aliens from another planet that are mechanical instead of biological, inexplicably bear superficial resemblances to earth vehicles, and on multiple occasions are even named after Earth creatures, and the thing you find weird is that there are females?
It’s wild that some guys feel the need to ask “Why do women exist?” as if women need a reason to exist. Or worse, they act as if our only purpose is to sexually reproduce, so the idea of a species that reproduces asexually having females is weird.
Personally I like the idea that their names back home are just incomprehensible to us, so they pick catchy names. Though that only really works for autobots. It's possible for a lot of them that their names are literally translated or some shit idk man
@@eta_carithebrightlord3396 y chromosome look more younger but this robot cybertronian are immortal
@@eta_carithebrightlord3396it's like in Star Wars. In canon everyone mostly use standard galactic language yet in movies, games, shows etc actors talk in English so ,,we would understand " ;). Kinda like that
Air Razor and Tigatron-- she managed to get him to give up on solitude some time after he lost his organic foundation which he himself named Snowstalker. There's also Blackarachnia and Silverbolt-- opposites attract after all.
Well in the original continuity the Transformers simply built them up when they need new members for their factions, they simply use Vector Sigma, the Matrix or their own sparks to create new Transformers, however in Transformers Beast Machines the Oracle managed to merge both metal and flesh in the Maximals, creating a new kind of Transformers that is called Tecnorganic, so perhaps, and that´s just my guess, they can have sexual reproduction since in this part of the story the Transformers really had sex and gender thanks to the organic animals they scan
By the time beast machines came about transformers technology evolved beyond vector sigma which was still around in beast machines I mean a lot happened since transformers rebirth I mean nebulans was just becoming binary bonded to transformers and then we saw the pretenders, micromasters and actionmasters
Then the Japanese transformers was some other whole ish too how advanced they wass
You forgot somebody. Someone who really makes you wonder how Transformers procreate. Wheelie, the child bot. There's a picture book that was published that explains Wheelie's origin. He crash landed on Quintessa with his parents. Yes, according to this picture book, Wheelie had parents. They died in the crash leaving him an orphan. "The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson". I use to have the book. I don't know if it's canon though. Wheelie is the only child Transformer that I know of. I don't think there were any other child Transformers in Masterforce, Victory, Zone, or Battlestars. There's no explanation as to how his parents made Wheelie. Most Transformers are built as fully formed adults. Why a child bot? No explanation.
The creator of Rescue Bots Academy said that the recruits are children.
There are child transformers in the manga version of Victory. My guess is that some bots heard about families and want to give it a try, so they built their own child.
also Wheelie in the Michael Bay movies was humping Mikaela. why would he have the urge to simulate a sex act if thats not part of their genetic programming? unless he saw it on the internet and thought it was cool.
I really need to get a job
so im *not* the only one who looked this up
Me too, dude. Only preventing me from getting one thing is rude people :[
Me too bro.. Me too
So here's my theory. Joined budden. Unlike normal budden were they come out fully grown clones but joined budden needs two bots, a guider and a forger. The forger takes birth metal from both parents and molds it into a protoform body and the guider mixes a small sample of inner most energon from both bots and puts it in the protoform's spark chamber. Now here's the tricky part both creators must find a hotspot (bringing the protoform body) and locate a newspark. Once the spark is found it will sence the protoform, go into the spark chamber, then the chamber will close and now to cybertronian. In 2 to 3 months the spark will make their own inner most energon. The buddlet will need time to cool down and deep codeing like any other protoform.
What do you think of this theory?
For a cybertronican, gender is only a shape of the chassis. There are male and female cybertronians, but in actually it doesn't matter, cause a new spark can form within the sharing of sparks between two cybertronians of the same gender.
so gay?
@@akumetsu7656 gay
That's never been established in fiction at all. God, why are Transformers fans like this?
@@ghillieshark6437 ☠️
@@skyatollah2skyharder276 Because they are only "built" in the original series. They are either never said how they are existed or not, but it should be noted that not all life of fiction should be organic.
Like I said "in my thinking" which means "headcanon", not fact. I never presented this as fact.
If you don't like "Cybertronians are built, not born", why did you click on this video?
The G1 cartoon showed us many times how transformers came to be..despite showing 2 genders. They might swap lubricant oil in a kiss just like Sam Witwicky when he kissed the decepticon pretender. BUT even Lockdown told Optimus Prime " WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU CAME FROM?..YOU THINK YOU WERE BORN?..NO...YOU WERE BUILT"..
I'm surprised that you mentioned arcee but also didn't mention about her relationship with Jack for a lot of people that saw the series and know it as well from T.P. the series did heavenly shown that she was very happy to have him with her and there were moments where she there are shown signs of excitement and well wishful thinking to show him what she had experienced in gooder days
I will not say intimate relationship but a relationship a relationship between people that became more closer than well partners
What the fuck man...
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon I don't mean it like that man I mean like as friends or as optimist prime said it family
@@wolfzilla1237 I'm afraid to ask for more, so please, stop.
I choose to think that they were made by vector sigma, primus, or the all-spark and the genders are probably representing different roles. Males are usually the stronger ones while females are usually sleeker and stealthier (although there are exceptions). A relationship between two transformers or one transformer and a human is an optional thing. Honestly,the gender and reproduction thing doesn’t really matter to me. What if they choose their gender (unlike humans)?
Guess they’re called TRANSformers for a reason
@@trollverse171 genders in disguise
But no this bs aswell thought out as it is because there have been femmes with the body shape of Brawl.
@@nationstremblebeforeme1487 if ur talking about Strika, then I think she thinks like a female while in a masculine protoform. Which only adds on to my theory about them choosing what they are before they’re made (unless vector sigma/ the all spark are experimenting which I personally do not prefer…
@Trsum_ I dunno, my best guess is that it’s their choice what they look and sound like…
TF Prime eluded to everything coming from the Well of Allsparks, which is basically a direct route down to Primus at Cybertron's core, though that was only the sparks, they never say where the protoforms come from.
As for the couples thing, if they were brave enough to do interspecies stuff in G1, they should have tried again with the later shows at least once. They really missed the shot not developing the relationship between Jack and Arcee more.
The last part reminds me of the Jack x Arcee porn comic from Fred Perry
@@creerlloydllanos9044 come again?
@@shawerful5209 I already did😏
@@shawerful5209
Fred Perry is an artist, he created multiple full colour porn comics depicting Jack, Arcee and a couple others engaging in some high quality interspecies cooperation.
@@sirapple589 this is the thing that caused the great cataclysm
In the live action series, I got the strong impression that they _can_ have babies. In tf3, Megatron was feeding 'hatchings,' and in tf4, Lockdown says, "You think you were born? No. You were built."
OK, so 'born' is one of the options, and I guess a common one.
Then in tf5, Hound mentioned his dad never calling, but I refuse to acknowledge that film as being part of the same universe.
It makes sense, too. If they can transform any part of their body into anything, than why not make a new individual. Maybe the difference between a male and a female is that the females are equipped with the tech necessary to construct a working spark, or 'lasercore,' as it was called in g1.
Didn't Jetfire mention a mother?
@@ernie9538 Yup.
Honestly tigertron and airrazer are personally my favorite couple in transformers.
Nautica and Skidds.
You even had an image of them in your video. The Romeo and Juliet of Transformers.
The videos that keep me up till 3 am.
For my favourites, it’s either Hot Rod and Acree. Or Bumblebee and her.
Nah,
Bumblebee is with windblade
@@balikpapankota7578 stasrscream and windblade
Hey, you credited the wrong artist for the thumbnail. The art is by Auroisa. Furthermore, please make sure you request permission to use art before using it to begin with!!
A second video about Transformers from Marvelous Videos? Finally, our chance to be seen!
I always figured it was sort of like the movie robots. They just built a baby.
4:44 why didn't they make this the pilot? Having them be energy beings that create bodies by possessing and transforming machinery would have been way cooler and less confusing than organic robots that share physical features with various machines created on a distant planet. Heck, they could have made it so the heads are their main vessels that have mechanical tendrils that burrow into machinery in order to take control of it, then make a reoccurring plot point where a main character gets injured only to spot another vehicle nearby that they transfer to in order to turn the tide of battle, so you can sell kids multiple versions of the same characters!
I think that they're trying to further improve their Transformer lifecycle reproduction concept. I'd image that it does you a kind of Protoform, or Cyberproteac mass first, laced with the CNA (yes they went that far in TFP) or parental energon coding, and then some kind of spark energy union from the "parents."
8:42 RC NOT archie, great vid tho
Are we not going to talk about the thumbnail I just clicked on so Windblade and Starscream are a thing now she was trying to kill Starscream in Combiner Wars
How about this for male and female transformers reproduction. USB-type cable information transference that results in the female becoming like the X-men’s Master Mold. She pops out a protoform (or even multiple) who’s cpu spins like a slot machine. Randomizing male or female. Or she pops out a “minicon” that sheds and grows like a crab. Didn’t the last Bay movie have Quintessa lay protoform eggs that didn’t survive?
I imagine they would be more like marsupials
No that would've been gross.
I AM DO CONFUSED ABOUT THAT,FINALLY SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES THIS
Thumbnail is literally the only reason I clicked on this video:>
Completely missing from this are the relationships from G1 between Optimus and Elita One, Ironhide and Moonracer and Springer and Arcie
As well as missing the implied reproduction mentioned in Revenge of the Fallen when 1) We see some sort of juvenile Decepticons with Starscream stating they need energon 2) the Dead Primes calling Optimus their last descendent and 3)in The Last Knight we see “baby “ versions of Dinobots. All of these imply some other form of reproduction.
Springer and Arcee was bullshit, They only did that to Isolate Rodimus so he's doubt himself more. Think about It Optimus had Elita throughout his time on Cybertron. In the movie she was clearly into Hot Rod yet dumps him once he becomes Rodimus? Oh No Springer was almost killed, meanwhile Rodimus nearly loses his hand saving everyone from the thing that killed Springer. Hey Kids if you want a Girl to like you don't do anything heroic just Neary Die! Explains the 90's to a Tee.
@@Fenris30 I won’t take sides in any love triangle. Honestly I never saw it that way. What ever the writers reasons any real life set of people ( or aliens robots or other wise) finding themselves in a love triangle and one of them effectively becoming “the leader” could have many reasons the girl chooses one over the other ( something we might not see on screen).
The romantic bonds in the Sunbow cartoon had nothing whatsoever to do with sexual reproduction or any kind of natural pair bonding. It was established in "Five Faces of Darkness" that the Autobots were originally created as a line of home assistance/companion/worker robots ("consumer products" was the exact description, as opposed to the Decepticons, which were "military hardware"). The Autobots in the Sunbow cartoon were as capable of sexual reproduction, as the androids in "Detriot Become Human" or the Synths in "Humans" were. Furthermore their all metal design, all but expressly rules out the possibility of them being glorified sex toys. I mean there's a possibility that some alien race out there had that masochistic a level of kink, but it's highly unlikely that they'd have been a large enough market to shape the entire production line.
@@andrewrichards312 I wasn’t implying that form of reproduction was the case in G1. But that the video completely skipped several.
In the Bayverse movies we see other things implied however.
To separate storylines.
@@patmacken5130 I recognise that it's different in different continuities, and many of them feature terrible universe building, which is representative of the very kind of anthrocentic thinking which is why the human race isn't even remotely ready for first contact with an advanced alien race. Many people don't even understand why the gender spectrum, range of sexual orientations or the very act of pair bonding, are the way they are in their own species.
The fact is that as much as social constructionists will suffer a burst aneurysm from me saying this, our biology frames the nature of our range of sexual orientations, gender spectrum and even the very act of pair bonding. When you break down the act of pair bonding, the nature of our range of sexual orientations and our gender spectrum, it's all framed by us being a bisexually reproducing species. If we were a trisexually reproducing species or a monosexually reproducing species for example, those things would manifest themselves radically different to how they do.
In Sunbow they things were the way they were because Transformers were made to be house robots for biological species who were bisexually reproducing, so it worked from the aspect of mimicry.
In Beast Wars, Transformers were robot/animal chimeras, so things worked there because of the animal portion of their chimerism.
Then ironically, for all the hate it cops, Beast Machines is the most compatible with it, because the Maximals are technorganic and appear to also be bisexually reproducing.
Yes other continuities set up things like gaiasexual reproduction (for want of a better term) with IDW for example (the planet being the sole source of reproduction for a sterile race), or something similar with the Allspark being the sole source of reproduction, with no additional factors like chimerism or mimicry to make the relevant human traits or dynamics plausible. However those things in those continuities, make as much sense when you hold them up to scrutiny, as if you, as a human being, were born from a mother who was a crocodile, who was in turn inseminated by a father who was a bengal tiger. That's the levels of implausibility we're talking about.
The problem is with many of these continuities is either you wind up with people who should stick to explosions and set piece car chases like Michael Bay, who don't understand science fiction and alien races (from memory, he wrote ROTF due to the writer's strike), or you wind up with things like the IDW comic continuity, where Scott and Roberts cared first and foremost about the message, while creating the universe to make the stories conveying that message plausible in the first place, came dead last.
At the end of the day, people need to realise that while there is a heap of stuff that's just redundant and taken for granted, when you're writing stories solely about human beings, that luxury goes right out the window when you're dealing with alien races. We will be similar where the roots of certain traits and social phenomena are similar. However the moment you have aspects of their biology which are fundamentally alien to ours, the related social phenomena will be equally as alien to their counterparts in our society.
Nah nah you mean Knockout and Starscream, you cannot ignore the tension between those two.
It's my head canon that Hotrod was the son of Optimus and Elita.
In the episode The Search for Alpha Trion, Optimus literally pulls a hose out of his body and plugs it into Elita-1's port while still connected to Optimus.
He groans and gyrates and lights flash and flicker. It's fairly weird, but tell me that doesn't look like they were mating!
Anyway, some time after we get a young "lad" robot named Hotrod who has both the colors of Optimus and Elita.
It certainly looks like Transformers can merge their sparks for reproduction.
I feel that many of the late Transformer stories were just off the rails. They just kept trying wild stuff and it shouldn't have happened.
The problem is that the talents of the writers were eclipsed by their ambitions. That much is clear when you have the kind of overly anthropomorphised depictions of a radically alien race, as compared to our own, which are Exhibit A as to why the human race isn't even remotely ready for first contact with an advanced alien civilisation.
When a mommy transformer loves a daddy transformer very, very much....
The one thing that Bay actually did something right and fixed the whole problem with the BS that lost me at Six minutes in. This is kind of simplified. The formation of the body can be either pre-built or come from a Proto-form that scans for an alt-mode. Hence from Transformium, (Until someone comes up with a better name for it.) gives them this ability physically. During these two different ways the program for each Transformer is processed either before or after a platform is accessible. With the Proto-form the programing is already there and the body is needed. With the body being built first, the program has to be entered into his/her CPU. The Programs started out as copies of conscious Quintessons for the first Transformers. From then on the new programs were transferred from the males to the Females by Electrical connections requiring programs that are half of his with half of hers, and only the Females have the special CPUs that can rewrite programs for this application. Liquid transfer does not make any mechanical sense even with the ability of Transformium, unless you actually want to add into the Canon of this Universe living creatures including Plants, Animals and Human Hybrids.
Excuse me, but the credit of the thumbnail is wrong. The real artist of the artwork is a woman named Auroisa, who apparently you did NOT ask for permission to use this art from. Please change the thumbnail.
I commented the same thing and it looks like they deleted my comment..
You know the dressing down Whirl gave to Cyclonus on Getaway and Tailgate?
Kind of how I felt about Chromedome and Rewind. Fact is, Chromedown was a debbie downer. No idea what Rewind saw in him.
That is when he noticed him past his Dominus Ambus obsession. A fact which made Domey's devotion actually look a little pathetic. The couple was arguably an unhealthy pairing, if no co-dependent.
Cyke and Tailgate was best couple out of that era. Arcee and Greenlight are probably best modern era couple.
ARCHIE?! IS THAT WHAT YOU CA HER- *dies of comedy gold*
I’ve been wondering about this for 38 yrs 🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣🤣
When robots get more than you
Who the heck is the couple at 6:01-6:08?! I've looked everywhere and I can't find them!
Idw skids and nautica
I was thinking about it for straight 19 years. I saw, in G1, how the Dinobots came to be: built by Wheeljack 'jackie', The Constructicons: Megatron created them, The Combaticons: Starscream brought them to life, etc. I had to go deeper and deeper into this matter. I didn't know that Breakdown and Knockout had a thing for each other, but now I do.
The Titans also produced Cybertronian life on any planet they settled on.
How can you not include Silverbolt and Black Arachnia from Beast Wars?
A shame that Marvelous Video didn´t speak about the marriage of Deathsaurus and Emerald, that was the very first and official marriage between Transformers and one that put the stones to finally end the conflict between Autobots and Decepticons in the japanesse saga
hate to tell you buddy but the ALL SPARK is not from the Bay-verse first I heard of it was in passing in the series: Transformers Robots in Disguise 2006 from Optimums speaking with the human child in that series.
Um...you kinda forgot two BIG couples. Tigertron and Airracer, as well as Black Arachnia and Silverbolt.
They exist to sell toys and merchandise
You guys forgot about the number one transformers couple optimus prime and elita one.
You mentioned Rattrap/Botanica but not Tigatron/Airazor or Silverbolt/Blackarachnia?
in my own take on Transformers
new Cybertronians are "born" when a mature Cybertronian, takes a piece of their spark and place it into a Protoform
a couple, can even take a piece from each and put it in the same Protoform, at the same time
that way I have both Whirl and Whirl Jr. (the cyclops and the rescue bots academy girl) as father and daughter
The "You keep showing" comment had me DYING 😂😂😂
There was a scene were Megatron takes out a decepticon from a incubator like thing
I wonder why at all similar videos from other youtubers, EVERYONE always forget the first love of Arcee from G1, SPRINGER
Well, this finally answers the question to "is optimus breedable?"
It was already shown in G1 that Transformers mainly reproduce by preparing pre-existing machines (vehicles, weapons, etc) to acquire a secondary form that is Cybertronian in nature, usually a bi-pedal humanoid form that is interchangeable with it's original form.
From there, the new Transformer has a blank slate mind, so it must be brought to Vecter Sigma (the main Cybertronian computer that gave all transformers life) to recieve a custom personality. Whether the new transformer becomes a Decepticon, or Autobot, depends on the instructions given to Vecter Sigma prior to the personality dispersal.
In my mind transformers have semi liquid metals what I thought happened is you take two sparks they make a new one and liquid metal amalgamation of sorts takes the spark and forms it over time into a cybertronian and then they slowly grow into a older cybertronian until they get too old and they’re spark gives out
Because they live so long it’s rare that there are conjunx enduras and there’s no care in gender. There are many ways Cybertronians are made. Smelting pools, building, spark creation, and protoforms
I distintly remember that the transfromers use to be feash and bone. Along with tranceforming rocks that inhabited another planet. Both of which had some form of catalisum that morphed them in to there present forms. At the end of the ark spike and chip pondered whether or not humanity would go thought a similar event.
Rock lord
@@jahey4763 Thank you I could not find the name.
Those are Gobots, genius.
You're thinking of Gobots/Machine Men. They were originally biological humanoids who transfered themselves into robotic bodies. Completely different franchise.
I honestly don't like how everyone makes the Allspark into some McGuffin instead of making it into a metaphysical thing (literally Primus's soul). Could instead create something like a Allspark Matrix that links the physical with the metaphysical.
Also are female Transformers a thing because 1/13th of the population is descended from Solus Prime who was female?
Oh, and BTW. Arcee will always be for everyone Rattrap's great-aunt.
Edit: Also sexuality shouldn't be in any Transformers media. They are friggin mechanical.
well if Cybertron sent out probes to biological based civilizations, then they might study binary gender sets. Depends on the universe, Primus created them... or the Quintessons... it's a coin flip.
@@AsmodeusDHare No. Applying anything of this to sentient machines no matter how or what is beyond stupid. This is something IDW did and was not only not needed but also idiotic. No romance between bots. Is it straight or not.
The 13 Primes storyline is an absolute disaster when it comes to universe building being plausible from a hard science fiction perspective; it's a textbook example of why Michael Bay should stick to things he understands - namely explosions and set piece car chases (from memory, Bay wound up writing ROTF due to the writer's strike of '09).
The Rattrap line is a weird one as Beast Wars straddles between G1 Cartoon and Marvel G1/G2 comic. The interesting thing is that the UK Fan Club, Transmasters, did have HotRod giving birth to Arcee through budding, so if Rattrap was the product of budding and Hot Rod reproduced twice via budding, it's possible (although Hotrod advised against the process afterwards because of how painful it was).
As for sexuality, it all depends on the continuity as to whether it makes sense. In Sunbow for example, the Autobots were originally robot maids and robot butlers among other things, while the romantic pairings also suggest they were intended to be companion robots (sex robots doesn't make sense from a design perspective as they're all metal). When you get to Beast Machines however, where the Maximals are technorganic however, anything should be fair game.
@@CommanderBohn I'm not talking about Romance, I was talking about why there are masculine and feminine attributes. I think the romance part is stupid outside of vague romance you see in the Original show. (Optimus Prime/Elita-1)
My theory was probes sent out came back with what was most often seen in the universe and thus the cybertronians were modeled off that.
Now if you watched Beast Machines, the binary body styles might be ingrained from the era where biological life existed.
@@AsmodeusDHare There are major problems with your response here. Firstly let's be clear here - we're not simply talking about masculine or feminine Transformers, which we perceive as being either male or female, through our human observer bias; we're talking about actual male and female Transformers. Male and Female have everything to do with romance and sexual reproduction, because the entire concept of male and female beings in a specific species, is itself, a manifestation sexual dimorphism which exists for the purposes of procreation.
The fact is that so much of our human nature, experiences and civilsation - ranging form our pair-bonding, to our range of sexual orentations, to our gender spectrum, to even how and why the dawn of civilisation occurred, all come down to us being a bisexually reproducing species. If were were monosexually reproducing or trisexually reproducing, those things would look radically different. The reality is that having differing genders without any other trace of romance or sex in Transformers, is fallacious because there is no justifiable reason for them being there from a world-building perspective.
Furthermore, the reality is that when it comes to these aspects of our society manifesting themselves in Transformers, there needs to be some basis of bisexual reproduction in Transformers, which when it's been done well, can take a number of forms.
The first is mimicry such as the G1 Sunbow Cartoon, where while the Decepticons were "military hardware", the Autobots were "consumer products". We've seen how those sorts of "consumer products", when marketed to client beings, wind up existing, in sci-fi like "Detroit Become Human", "Humans" and "The Animatrix". The Autobots as worker/companion/home-assistance robots, would be driven to pair bond and would have genders, because the roles they were being sold to fill mandated it.
The second is Chimerism, like with Beast Wars. Due to scanning and replication, animal DNA fused with a Cybertronian and we know that the personality traits of the animals scanned also merged with their psychopathology, as established by "Call Of The Wild". Gender, sexual orientation and pair-bonding here all become plausible due to that chimerism. This also means that unless Cybertronians were specifically incorporating the DNA of sexually dimorphous alien life forms, there would be no plausible reason for merely sending out probes to other times and planets, would cause Cybtertronians to be gendered.
The third of course is Beast Machines where the Maximals are technorganic, where everything up to biological procreation is possible.
The reality is that people who write science fiction need to realise that with stories about humans, the worldbuilding is reduntant because our reality has already taken care of it. However when it comes to alien races, people need to start to realise that the more an alien race and society differs form ours, the more of their world that needs to be built, and done so in a plausible manner.
You showed but didn’t mention Tigatron and Airazor. You also should have included Blackarachnia and Silverbolt.
Never have I ever though I would of seen this question
Who is Archie? Lol. I was listening and when we got to this part, I had to look at the screen to find out who Archie is.
They don't.. They are fictional robots that DONT exist.
That spark could be like the spark of life to initialize a concentration of energon. The further the spark's from the original 13 transformers, the less sentience and more time it takes for that drone to become fully sentient with a character based on its donor. There's also the need for a lot of energon. In Beast wars, there's protoform sparks that's in stasis lock. It needs that initial push to sentience by a surrogate sharing their active sparks to the protoform's sparks to awaken it. So that mindless drones powered by energon like the Seeker drones will remain non-sentient until another active spark awakens it or it matures enough after being active for too long. Like in the Dark Ages IDW comics, Megatron mass produced Seeker clones but they stayed as drones until a lot more time to mature or a surrogate jumpstarts their spark into sentience. This could be how Cyclonus&Scourge could had made more of themselves. Like Galvatron, Cyclonus liked his uniqueness so he doesn't make more of himself unlike Scourge who's likely Bombshell originally had found seeker clones and used his Unicron corrupted spark to awaken those Seeker clones but also reformatted&imprinted his character on them. I assume like in the beast wars, this reformatting and awakening into Sweeps requires a lot of energon which Scourge likely hoarded to make more of himself so that the original one gets his clone to do the dirty work for him. So like Bombshell, he'd rather have his clones do the work for him. As for resurrecting transformers, if their corpse had not been melted yet, there's residual spark or imprint of it even if they went into stasis lock and it requires a lot of energon and a surrogate to jumpstart that reformat or reawakening process. I remember this procedure was used by Rhinox to resurrect Optimus Primal after he was blown up by Megatron in the Beast Wars cartoons.
Talking about transformers couples, Optimus x Bumblebee 🤪
They construct a body and visit Vector Sigma so a Spark can be placed with within the constructed body being a Decepticon or Autobot is based totally on who influences the the new Transformer at the time of it's creation
You forgot about Arcee and Daniel. He even becomes her head!
Elita 1 had feelings for Prime in TFA and TF War For Cybertron Trilogy on Netflix
And they were dating in G1.
Let's see here... " When a daddy robot loves A mommy Robot very much A kid Robot happens? " Also some sort of a factory I'm sure...
Well, when a momy transformer and a daddy transformer really love each other....
So, I know this video is wicked old, but another form of reproduction we need to look at comes from the 2007 show "Transformers: Animated". Where their future "generations" are in the form of "Protoforms", just waiting for a spark to give them life. Yes, the spark still comes from the "AllSpark" and the "Well of All Sparks", but as was shown in the episode where we see Prowl's past with Master Yoketron, ones spark can be removed and put into a new protoform to create another body for that bot.
The show talks about how the protoforms are stored and protected by the guardians (the cyber ninja dojo) until they are needed, and how so many were stolen by Lockdown during the great war to hinder the Autobot population and bolster the Decepticon ranks.
Finally, the question I have asked when I was a child
Wheelie is the only transformer I knew that had parents, because it mentioned it to the auto bots.
Never EVEN Gave it A SINGLE THOUGHT !! lol.. it’s a CARTOOOOOOOON!!! I mean .. if I was a 5 year old baby child.. def would be a thought provoking question lol
Yeah, but this fanbase is full of total weirdos who think this shit through on depth while ignoring that the concept of Transformers aren't high art.
I think you mean the Protoforms the beginning of a cyberTron’s life
Hey what about Optimus and Elita? Arnt they the most iconic couple? And i know Arcee and Cliffjumper where a popular ship but i dont think they where canon my guy thats like me shipping Arcee and sideswipe being canon just cause they where friends i ship it but i know its not real.
honestly why do we categorize love as being something inherently sexual? asexual people for example can still love and have romantic relationships. for transformers its just like that, they form a bond and stick together. i really enjoy couples in the idw comics its honeslty so cute esp the relationship between tailgate and cyclonus.💗💗💗
Asexual isn’t real just means you buy Funko pops and are a cuck
I'm still in shock that you could mispronounce Arcee as Archie
Well, in fact, since sexual reproduction is probably present in individual transformer universes, this raises a whole series of questions: How do such acts occur in principle? What exactly processes occur during “pregnancy” and “childbirth”? Do acts of sexual violence in Cybertronian and Cybertronian society exist as "heterosexual" and/or "homosexual"? How is the theme of active sex life and other little things developed in the society of transformers?
Transformers are definitely living in a sense that defies what we conceive of as robots. For one thing, they have an almost insectoid build. They have hard chassis or carapace that makes up a majority of their alternative modes/camouflage. The flexible material underneath is fascinating as it allows them to stretch and move like the skin and muscles of animals like humans. Then there must also be a skeletal system as unlike insects, a transformer needs a frame to support his or her frame.
Now, knowing this -- and I hate to give any credence here -- maybe "sticky" fans have a point. Yet, transformers do make off-handed remarks about the grossness of flesh creatures in general... either because they don't do that or because theirs is cleaner and natural for them? Who knows? I've always thought that the All-Spark or even the Matrix of Leadership made life for lifeless constructs or that machines just built each other, then programmed life into the new bots. 😅
If there's no fetish influenced kinky automated assembly line anywhere in this video we should all feel very grateful that we too managed to avoid that oil change.
Transformers reproduce with plenty of energon and a lot of luck, no matter the cost. Theme "You got the touch, You got the power" 😂
Id imagine a bot saying “hey shawty lemme transform this axel rod for your liking”
"Women? I thought they were extinct" -Shockwave
Honestly, I’ve never liked the idea of new Transformers being simply built out of spare parts like the Dinobots and such. It’s just that always thought for such a race of highly advanced and sentient machines, I’ve felt that the birth of new ones was always more involved than, say, coming off an assembly line. It’s kinda like how Arcee in TP pointed out that we simply can’t build another human from spare parts as well. And of course I never even consider anything from the live action movies.
The problem is that Aligned also sufferers from bad universe building by drawing on the movie origins. There are really only 3 scenarios where sex, gender, sexual orientation and/or pair bonding work in Transformers. The first is mimicry like with G1 - minus sex and sexual reproduction. The second is chimerism, like with Beast Machines; sex may be possible but the sexual reproduction is unlikely. Ironically, the third scenario is when Transformers are technorganic and for all the hate it cops, the example where everything is on the table and makes the most sense, is the Maximals in Beast Machines. With everything else, where the transformers are sterile beings, produced by either Planet Cybertron or the Allspark, they make zero sense (and yes, I'm saying that the 13 Primes is a textbook example of why Michael Bay should stick to explosions and set-piece car chases).
Well, ya see, they're robots. That's how robots tend to be built.
It's a toy brand aimed at kids. You lot seem to think it's more complex than it is.
I do renember a transformer saying "we'll make those decepticons wish they were never assembled" so my guess is that they just build eachother
Tigatron and Air razor....came back "together" as Tigerhawk!