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Been looking for a video like this after getting back into Pokémon comp after nearly a decade away from it. Really appreciative of how you made the information easily digestible and even showcased the process as well as listing what to prioritize so people like me won't get overwhelmed when doing it later. No words can capture the amount of thanks others must have to finally have a guide like this
Your last two videos have been GREAT. This is one of, if not THE, fundamental skill of becoming a good vgc player. Keep up the great work, your a real asset to the community and I hope as VGC grows your channel grows along with it
Thanks for watching, all! What did you think of our template for creating an optimal EV spread? Did you like our examples? Let us know in the comments!
Jesus Christ this this is what was needed!! Videos on this don’t exist!! This part 2 this is GOLD. I’ve continued to learn so much all while taking out guess work.
I know you’ve done these types of videos before because it’s what pulled me into your channel and don’t stop doing them. They’re always helpful and I know it has really helped improve my team building and play. These videos are always good for either new or experienced vgc players!
Back in the day I built a Goodra with "odd" EV spread to attack/resist certain things and some people laughed because it wasn't the 252/4 and almost convinced me to change it but when I used the calculator, it was just weaker than the way I did :p
The 252/252/4 spread remains popular even in competitive play. Wolfe Glick has repeatedly mentioned this in his tournament analysis videos. He favors bulky Pokémon, even among offensive threats, enabling them to withstand hits they would typically not survive. To craft counter-meta teams, he might allocate just a single point or a few points into speed for Blood Moon Ursaluna, allowing it to outpace and counteract another meta threat.
Exactly what we said. He identified a speed tier that he wanted, put points into that, and after that, dump the rest into damage and whatever is left into your bulk.
Ngl, im genuinely glad this video popped up in my feed, I was building a team with arch/dnite yesterday and apparently my brain went stupid mode cuz i was thinking i needed 112 on both to out speed after tail wind and hit 214 but that would be 224 lol so tyvm for making this :D
Hey man, I have always wondered how people decide how much EVs go into what stat (i’m not a competitive player, i just like to shiny hunt LOL). And this is making me want to get into competitive aspect of the game! Thanks man
Step #1 i my favorite "pick a speed tier". And im like HARD TRICK ROOM! 🤣 Not having to invest EVs in speed is fine by me😉 Great vid boss you even mentioned the hp end in 9 for maximum life orb efficiency 🤙
It's the opposite of grassy terrain/leftovers! You want to undercut the hp value by 1 to make it round down. So instead of 176, 192, 208, 224, etc, you want 175, 191, 207, 223! When you divide them by 16 (sand chip is 1/16th your hp), you'll end with a decimal like 10.9375 which rounds down to 10. Hope this helps!
Absolutely amazing walkthrough! However. How would you go about it if you have no idea what is a thread and what to outspeed? I would not have thought of dragapult as a speed tier to outspeed for archakudon but just seemed it impossible from the start. Also had no idea primarina runs haze and then use the support move as base for speed tier, as well as damage calc for knock off ttar. I often find myself stating that when my mons get ohkoed then they just won’t do into the opposite mons. So how would you approach this as a new player who still doesn’t know what all the 1000+ mons can do or is used for?
Study the tournament results. Go on the limitless website and always stay up to date and see what is being played. You can also look at usage data from pikalytics website. But always study the tournament results or simply play in them!
In pokemon, knowledge is power. Most people waste EVs in speed and sometimes even their attacking stats. Then again, if you don't know the meta, maximum EVs could be a great starting point to see what threats to Calc for.
Yup! You can start 252 252 4 if you really don't know and adjust as you play more but with a little research from tours from the resources I show in every video you can save time and do some quick EVs as an easy starting point with this template
A very informative video. I do struggle sometimes. What are your thoughts on dragon cheer Scopelens archetype? Do you think it's gimmicky or is it somewhat consistent?
Not to be "that guy" but, I've found a lot of success with 252/252 4 builds both on ladder and vs friends/other streamers. I always go 252 speed in a given speed tier to account for if my opponent is ALSO running tailwind with their Dragapult, for example...mine will outspeed it and get the KO if they don't tera. Not only that, but I imagine points in defense are wasted if my opponents team is mostly special attackers, and I could put the rest of those points into Attack so that whatever move I'm going for will be felt, and then there's the chance my opponent gets a game-winning critical hit, again making defense investment obsolete, or I end up paralyzed/slept by amoonguss for three turns in a row. This is just what I've observed from the L's I've taken recently.
You can still optimize your bulk and damaging stat, just not for speed! Like Ursaluna you can optimize the HP for burn chip from flame orb and survive rillaboom attacks with intimidate support from Incineroar
Usually it's the common meta threats - particularly something you're weak to. For primarina I chose to calc against rillaboom because it's weak against grass and it's a common meta threat. For Archaludon I did the same thing against blood moon. Dragonite I did dragapult because it's the fastest dragon that's meta relevant
If only Pokémon added in a slider system for ev spreads instead of items or farming wild Pokémon and change the way you reset evs if you want to respec. It’s just such a crap system.
Am I wasting my time making all my EV/IV spreads on battle stadium with level 100 EV's?! I've always done that. 😅 I just re adjusted some mons have HP divisible by 16 like u taught me (for leftover and terrain) but I made them with level 100 stats.
I'm a big fan of 212/0/12/44/164/76 Archaludon. Outspeeds max speed Ursaluna, still gets that little extra stat bump in special attack while also getting that even number to maximize on electro shot boosts. 192 HP for grassy terrain recovery. Spdef gives it favorable roles on stuff like Ursaluna earth power.
Join my channel to get access to perks!:
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Tier 1 - $1.99: With this tier, you get access to my trademark loyalty badge and my cool emotes (which you can also use on Discord & Twitch!). It's also just a way to support me without any of the teambuilding/fixing perks!
Tier 2 - $4.99: With this tier, you get everything from tier 1, as well as the option to ask for "TeamFixing." Here, you can submit a team to me via message/DM on discord, and I can fix the EV spreads or recommend Pokemon for what's optimal for the format at the moment. You can also receive a member-only video where I fully explain how I fix the team, but if you'd like to just do this part via discord call, this is fine.
Tier 3 -$9.99: Here we can BUILD a team from scratch rather than simply fix a squad. This can be done via discord call, as well as a dedicated member-only video for it.
Tier 4 - $14.99: With this, you're able to send pokemon showdown battle replays to me via discord. Here, we help look and analyze your games and offer advice and suggestions to improve understanding of battle mechanics and thought process turn by turn.
Been looking for a video like this after getting back into Pokémon comp after nearly a decade away from it. Really appreciative of how you made the information easily digestible and even showcased the process as well as listing what to prioritize so people like me won't get overwhelmed when doing it later. No words can capture the amount of thanks others must have to finally have a guide like this
No one else will tell you this stuff for free except the CloverBells Academy 😎
Your last two videos have been GREAT. This is one of, if not THE, fundamental skill of becoming a good vgc player.
Keep up the great work, your a real asset to the community and I hope as VGC grows your channel grows along with it
We do what we can!
Thanks for watching, all! What did you think of our template for creating an optimal EV spread? Did you like our examples? Let us know in the comments!
I like it!! 😄
The challenge is accounting for as many offensive/defensive scenarios as possible!! 😊
@@xGatorchomp28x just pick 1 or 2 calcs
amazing work never seen this topic explained so easy and clear.Keep the good work.
Free knowledge 😎
Loving these educational videos! Would love to see more of those on the battling side of the game for beginners!
We have some plans for that for September.
@@CloverBells hype! 🔥🔥🔥
Doing the Lord’s work with this educational content 👍
and it's free!
Love the content!! I also love how you teach damage calcs. I knew this but always nice to get a refresher!!
It's good for beginners!
Will make sure to share this and the previous video, cheers man
absolutely, thanks!
Another fantastic video! Love getting into the details, so helpful!
math 😎
I literally asked a different Pokétuber to make a video like this a few weeks ago.
And YOU happened to answer my wish! Lol
Thank you! 🙌🏾
different poketuber?! You already know who to ask 😎
Jesus Christ this this is what was needed!! Videos on this don’t exist!! This part 2 this is GOLD. I’ve continued to learn so much all while taking out guess work.
Yup! No one will tell you this stuff except The Clover Academy 😎
@@CloverBellsthis is all so well done and is desperately needed.
@@mattmanley7118 yup!
Nice!!
free education 😎
Amazing tutorial. Thanks for sharing.
of course! that's what we do here ~
Thanks for your videos! They are really helpful!
thanks for watching!
I know you’ve done these types of videos before because it’s what pulled me into your channel and don’t stop doing them. They’re always helpful and I know it has really helped improve my team building and play.
These videos are always good for either new or experienced vgc players!
exactly that's why I always remake them every so often just with updated examples haha
@@CloverBells you should consider making a video about this regulation’s speed tiers
Unless you already have one and I haven’t seen it yet
@@Sugar_beans That one will come later this week. It's already done and recorded. Stay tuned.
Thank you CloverBells! 👨🏻🎓
yup!
Back in the day I built a Goodra with "odd" EV spread to attack/resist certain things and some people laughed because it wasn't the 252/4 and almost convinced me to change it but when I used the calculator, it was just weaker than the way I did :p
Give me the names of those people
Best ev spreads in the game 🍀
We do them very well!
The 252/252/4 spread remains popular even in competitive play. Wolfe Glick has repeatedly mentioned this in his tournament analysis videos. He favors bulky Pokémon, even among offensive threats, enabling them to withstand hits they would typically not survive. To craft counter-meta teams, he might allocate just a single point or a few points into speed for Blood Moon Ursaluna, allowing it to outpace and counteract another meta threat.
Exactly what we said. He identified a speed tier that he wanted, put points into that, and after that, dump the rest into damage and whatever is left into your bulk.
Ngl, im genuinely glad this video popped up in my feed, I was building a team with arch/dnite yesterday and apparently my brain went stupid mode cuz i was thinking i needed 112 on both to out speed after tail wind and hit 214 but that would be 224 lol so tyvm for making this :D
the 224 mark would be for the calyrex shadow rider (which is not legal). Yup, that's what we do!
amazing explanation!
yes!!
Amazing video considering I'm master ball 2000 and still don't do my own spreads. Keep up the amazing work!
Free knowledge!
Hey man, I have always wondered how people decide how much EVs go into what stat (i’m not a competitive player, i just like to shiny hunt LOL). And this is making me want to get into competitive aspect of the game! Thanks man
Now you know! It's all a giant math game!
Step #1 i my favorite "pick a speed tier". And im like HARD TRICK ROOM! 🤣 Not having to invest EVs in speed is fine by me😉 Great vid boss you even mentioned the hp end in 9 for maximum life orb efficiency 🤙
We have a whole video dedicated to optimizing HP. Stay tuned.
Really helpfull video!
thanks!
Thanks a lot! As a new player this is very helpful
dumb question, but I haven't really understood when the sand chip point is useful tbh
It's the opposite of grassy terrain/leftovers! You want to undercut the hp value by 1 to make it round down. So instead of 176, 192, 208, 224, etc, you want 175, 191, 207, 223! When you divide them by 16 (sand chip is 1/16th your hp), you'll end with a decimal like 10.9375 which rounds down to 10. Hope this helps!
@@CloverBells thanks, it's lot clearer now!
Absolutely amazing walkthrough!
However. How would you go about it if you have no idea what is a thread and what to outspeed?
I would not have thought of dragapult as a speed tier to outspeed for archakudon but just seemed it impossible from the start. Also had no idea primarina runs haze and then use the support move as base for speed tier, as well as damage calc for knock off ttar.
I often find myself stating that when my mons get ohkoed then they just won’t do into the opposite mons.
So how would you approach this as a new player who still doesn’t know what all the 1000+ mons can do or is used for?
Study the tournament results. Go on the limitless website and always stay up to date and see what is being played. You can also look at usage data from pikalytics website. But always study the tournament results or simply play in them!
Appreciate this video but for the most part I get spreads from smogon but now that I know about these bumps I can make my own for not used mons I like
Mmhm! at some point you have to learn how to do them yourself and not just rely on somewhere/someone else. Part of your growth as a player!
In pokemon, knowledge is power. Most people waste EVs in speed and sometimes even their attacking stats. Then again, if you don't know the meta, maximum EVs could be a great starting point to see what threats to Calc for.
Yup! You can start 252 252 4 if you really don't know and adjust as you play more but with a little research from tours from the resources I show in every video you can save time and do some quick EVs as an easy starting point with this template
A very informative video. I do struggle sometimes. What are your thoughts on dragon cheer Scopelens archetype? Do you think it's gimmicky or is it somewhat consistent?
Yeah that's more of a ladder gimmick at the moment. It's not used in open team sheet play
@@CloverBells you're probably right 😮💨
@@CloverBells I've been having fun with water absorb dragon cheer lapras with surf hisuian goodra
@@viviannabriano5645 I forgot Lapras was in the game!
@@CloverBells shadddeee 🤣
yay good video
enjoy!
Thoughts on Sitrus Dengo over leftovers? I'm running double fake out, but the sudden healing could be useful
It's fine yes
The goat has spoken
🐐🐐🐐
if you werent running tailwind what would you recommend for primarina?
The same defensive bulk, just add a little speed for the Incineroar. Add more damage
Is there a video that explains what you mean by hitting the bump for attack stats?
Yes, it is literally called "What are EV bumps" on my channel - made it before this one lol
@CloverBells thank you. I will check it out
What’s the best way to identify the meta threats you should be EV’ing for? Do you just have to know what’s good in each regulation?
Use pikalytics to see highest usage mons!
pikalytics.com/
How do you choose which pokemon you want to optimize your evs against?
a common popular threat in the meta that it is weak to
Not to be "that guy" but, I've found a lot of success with 252/252 4 builds both on ladder and vs friends/other streamers. I always go 252 speed in a given speed tier to account for if my opponent is ALSO running tailwind with their Dragapult, for example...mine will outspeed it and get the KO if they don't tera. Not only that, but I imagine points in defense are wasted if my opponents team is mostly special attackers, and I could put the rest of those points into Attack so that whatever move I'm going for will be felt, and then there's the chance my opponent gets a game-winning critical hit, again making defense investment obsolete, or I end up paralyzed/slept by amoonguss for three turns in a row. This is just what I've observed from the L's I've taken recently.
There is always some merit in 252 252 spreads but remember in a tournament setting, it's a different ball game. Information is key!
those rare cases where 252 is acceptable......like 252 atk on iron hands for example
lol not sure who is approving of this comment it was supposed to be a little bait for clover
We've done it sometimes! But we never did 252 on the iron hands
How can we optmize the speed tiers for trick room teams? Usually we want it as low as possible, right?
You can still optimize your bulk and damaging stat, just not for speed! Like Ursaluna you can optimize the HP for burn chip from flame orb and survive rillaboom attacks with intimidate support from Incineroar
@@CloverBells got it, thanks!
Ok this is cool but how do I do this on scarlet violet?
You plan out your vitamins and berries until you hit the final stat you want
How do you decide which threats you wanna out speed?
Usually it's the common meta threats - particularly something you're weak to. For primarina I chose to calc against rillaboom because it's weak against grass and it's a common meta threat. For Archaludon I did the same thing against blood moon. Dragonite I did dragapult because it's the fastest dragon that's meta relevant
@@CloverBells ok so if I wanna do dausbuns ev spread I should calc against gholengo for example?
@@LocoCocoaBrahprobably wouldn't matter cause unless you're tera-ing terablast, Dachs can not touch Gholdengo much at all.
@@Mrdonjuliothewicked yup!
@LocoCocoaBrah Yes, but you can't hit the gholdengo so I would calc for the +1 flash cannon
If only Pokémon added in a slider system for ev spreads instead of items or farming wild Pokémon and change the way you reset evs if you want to respec. It’s just such a crap system.
they want it to be part of a breeding process like how you would train an animal ~
Am I wasting my time making all my EV/IV spreads on battle stadium with level 100 EV's?! I've always done that. 😅
I just re adjusted some mons have HP divisible by 16 like u taught me (for leftover and terrain) but I made them with level 100 stats.
Do it at lvl 50. Never do 100. 100 is singles. 50 is VGC.
I don’t think I think about speed tiers enough…
we will help you. that video is coming out this week!
I'm a big fan of 212/0/12/44/164/76 Archaludon. Outspeeds max speed Ursaluna, still gets that little extra stat bump in special attack while also getting that even number to maximize on electro shot boosts. 192 HP for grassy terrain recovery. Spdef gives it favorable roles on stuff like Ursaluna earth power.
Sure you can do that. That is still the same method that we used.