Oprah's History of Toxic Diet Culture
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Honestly, she has a lot more than just this to apologize for. She also platformed Dr. Oz, who is one of the worst snake oil salesmen we’ve ever seen.
She doesn't need to apologize.
@@spr6986she portrays herself to a high moral regard this behavior did not align with that so if she wants to continue to hold some validity then apologizing would be helpful
agree
Also Dr. Phil🤢 Ugh.
And let's not forget John of God.
I can't help but notice how thin Oprah is while saying this. "Don't be ashamed of being fat" also "Take Ozempic."
My thoughts exactly. Now that she's lost the weight on Ozempic, she's "tired" of all this diet and weight stuff.
This screams "panicked rebrand". Quick, everyone, now it's cool to critique "diet culture"!!
Some of my earliest memories of feeling shame about my body were brought on by things I saw watching Oprah with my mom. When I started my weightloss journey I made sure to do the opposite of her advice. I lost 135lbs in 2019 and never looked back, no thanks to her. She’s made it very clear she values size over health, and being thin at any cost. Thanks for covering this because I would have never watched it other wise.
Congratulations on your accomplishments. This program bothered me so that I stopped watching when the WW woman apologized. You are right re Oprah as size over health. And she had many resources to deliver better messages.
Years ago my roommate hit me hard, with what he said. We were all eating breakfast, roommates, friends, etc, after a all night party. Lots of the guys were not wearing shirts. My roommate said I should go put a shirt on. I was like, everyone is not wearing there shirt, you put a shirt on. Then he told me, he was grossed out, by the way I looked. I don't remember exactly what I did after that. I think I just went to my room. I bet I was crying.
I really felt that... it's so sad.😢 I'm sorry that happened to you.
I do wish people never again did anything that hurtful even remotely.
I’m so sorry this happened to you, that’s so fucked
That's messed up! That's not a real friend. That person was deflecting his own shame and hatred towards you. No normal person goes out of their way to hurt someone for absolutely no reason.
I try not to judge people by how they look. I'm more interested how they act and treat others. Hatred and ignorance is ugly to me. Not somebody's body or appearance. That is what makes others unique.
This makes me sad :( Words can be so impactful. In this case, in a very unfortunate way. I’m hoping the gentleman that said it has since grown into a more thoughtful person. I’ve certainly said things in my time that I’ve regretted instantly. I’ve tried to learn from this tho and now tend to say much less!
I am so sorry you had to be talked to like that. People can be so cruel 💔
I still remember that clip of Oprah trying to get the Olson twins to say how much they weighed on TV when they were teenagers. Shes always been so weird about weight related stuff
And commenting about how one of them liked eating bagels because she "couldn't eat carbs" - I remember that so specifically.
I guess we can see why she’s been so weird though. I’m old enough to remember the joke told to me in the 80s “I know how to find 60 lbs of crack, lift up Oprah’s dress”
That is humiliating😢
Yes!!! As someone who had an ED for over a decade that made me cringe so hard. You could tell how uncomfortable they felt to be put on the spot with a personal question especially when MK had an ED
It is absolutely crazy to me as an European how much power, influence and cultish followers Oprah has in the US. Why would you hype up a talker who changes her flag in the wind that much? I just don't get why people see her as some kind of truth force. On the other hand people pay the Kardashians millions of dollar for whatever as well. So nevermind ^^
Oprah’s a net positive. She uses her influence for good, which is way more than most do. She has her own demons, as all do, but she isn’t intentionally evil. When she produced Super Soul Sunday, I was sat and attentive.
Americans like to love-bomb without any info
She is an amazing woman when you look at the background she came from and the fact that she's black, in the US. She has achieved amazing success and wealth.
I wondered the same thing. Never cared for her personally.
i never liked oprah
It's insane to see how Oprah's Villain Arc started 😫
Holy shit I clasped my pearls when Joan Rivers said that. Totally different time period.
Yes…the time period I was raised in 😞 there are so many examples of things worse than this
I couldn't stand her ever. I was a kid when that was on. She was awful
yes but Joan Rivers’ thing was always to be “controversial” like that, people at the time found her rude/shocking too. it was her whole persona
If WW really worked longterm there wouldnt be so many repeat customers
I can appreciate her being honest with her weight struggles, but rewatching clips after the fact I now realize how harmful she and her show was, overall, and can't feel too sympathetic. From harmful opinions to victim shaming as well as giving platforms to snake oil salesmen/con men. An empire like hers can't be built in an ethical way.
I love the compassion you show. You are a good person, that’s why I keep listening. It’s heartening to see
Oprah’s struggle with her weight is one of the few things she shares with the huge number of overweight people in this country. The fact that tabloids and late night comedians make it a punchline is something different. Most of us only have ourselves, and maybe an obnoxious friends relative or acquaintance who isn’t as polite as most telling us to lose weight.
I totally agree: losing weight does require a level of self love. Shame won’t work.
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Now Oprah is on the 'victim wagon!' She swung from one extreme to the other.
The self responsibility crowd sure does like to blame Oprah.
This is actually an old video but weight watchers just released it on RUclips. Oprah actually sold her stock in weight watchers and left the company she now talks about being on weight loss shots .
"So, basically, I'm Oprah." 😆
I knew a middle aged lady who lost 50 pounds on Weight Watchers but then gained it all back and then some. She was probably about 300 pounds. Wish Oprah could have talked about food addiction, stress and emotional eating, and poor quality food as reasons for the obesity epidemic.
She is just saying the same thing as she has done since the beginning of her show. It's the exactly the same B.S. as what she has said before. It's just be awhile since we've seen her in this same type of format. She is a great speaker who can engage people, being humble. The story of the shoes is the example (and at the time it was true, but that was like 40 years ago, not last week.). She hasen't learned anything except how to make money, which she has done very well. The fact that she was an part owner in weight watchers is also problematic. She is still promoting that being 'thin' by any means is the way to value ourselves.
I think she just got caught up in diet culture, she didn't start it. Being in the public eye she was the focus of more scrutiny than most of us. I actually deel quite sorry for everything she put hetself through (and encouraged others to do too) previously.
I feel inclined to forgive her past mistakes on the grounds that she was doing what she thought was best at the time and is now open about what she views differently.
And I'm sure her self-inflicted trauma over many years is very real.
Just that Oprah, a woman with everything in the world at her fingertips, struggled with her weight for so many decades, shows how excruciatingly difficult it is to lose a significant amount of weight and keep it off long-term.
Oprah is always with the most terrible people 🤷♀️
Psychopaths are attracted to money and power.
Thank you for bringing this up! I honestly believe you put more thought into your response than she put into her statements. That identity made her money then and this identity is what's going to make her money now. She's doing what she's always done
I have zero interest in the whole three hour show but if you posted a live stream talking about it I would EAT that shit up lol
Right?! Oprah is such a disingenuous snake in the grass. But I'd enjoy his perspective and the comments of the community he's built here.
In defence to Joan, Oprah mention weight first…so thats a bit harsh blaming Joan
I wouldn't be able to watch your livestream of the full video because of work but would 100% watch it all after if posted!
Your videos and comments are fantastic
2000’s diet culture is why I kept yoyo-ing. Even when I was at a healthy weight, I never had good muscle tone. I was always weak. I started weight lifting and I finally am feeling good, but I still get that insecurity about not being thin enough.
All i can say is Susan Powter "Stop the Insanity!"
Joan Rivers was awful. She didn't treat people very kindly, even on the Red Carpet
Joan Rivers was unapologetically honest, which is admirable, especially today when everyone is crucified for having an opinion.
Good discussion points, thanks for the video.
Thank you for sharing.
I’m on WW and it’s helping me a lot! I’ve gotten rid of sugar completely and I’ve lost 7.2 lbs in 2 weeks
I use the free lifesum app to track calories
Nice! Diets are tools in the end.
That’s awesome!! Keep up the good work!
Congratulations. I am on weight watchers too. I did not eliminate sugar. I'm just eating a very balanced diet with lots And lots of fresh produce and I have lost 23 pounds since feb 1. My husband has lost twenty in the same time frame. It's a great program. Not deprived, not hungry. Just healthier.
@@CJ_536 that’s awesome!!
JOHN...WW offered an option to lose weight eating real food in real life. As opposed to JC, NutriSystem, etc. These companies forced their own highly processed food to make money. Nothing was offered in terms of transfering to RL! There was zero chance of sustainability!
I think weight watchers gives older women (not even fat people) a community to go to and talk about struggles not only about food or weight
Very well done commentary on this subject and this woman.
Just wanted to say if I had a little brother I would want it to be you.
I have been an admirer for years.
What really impressed me about you was in one video you showed you loose skin around your middle. And you showed that you did have six pack abs even with the loose skin. That made me more confident in myself that loose skin doesn’t matter as much as long as you do the work!
Just wanted to say thank you!
Agree about talking about it, John. I'm not sure if we are coming closer together.
A 3 hour Oprah special about the cultural dissection of diet culture is a goldmine for commentary. Series please :)
Come on! Oprah was not taken by surprise at Johnny Carson! Listen to it! It was a hook to talk about her project with the Tribune to document her weight loss!!
I have no idea what weight Oprah was in the interview with Joan Rivers but I don’t think she looked that big. The only person I want to listen to about my weight is my doctor or other professional who is helping me to become more healthy. She had no business humiliating anyone in that way.
Not talking about bodies is the best way we can approach this. My body is the least important and least interesting thing about me.
I would have died right there
Ya, the shame put on people in the past and even to today was terrible. I think alot of people put other things ahead of their own health or body needs. I am definitely someone who does that. I will go month or years not looking or thinking about my weight bc I'm so focused on other things. Then you have that oh I can't tie my shoe easily moment and then you either make changes or you keep going on as you were.
It important to start having these conversations. Even today I may not be losing weight quickly or by eating a restricted diet, but the changes to my everyday are huge. But many people think you have to do stuff like Oprah did when you are trying to lose weight. And it's sad.
They are about to CRUCIFY her for not knowing better at the times.
Always a witch hunt these days. Everyone just points their finger at everyone else instead of taking responsibility for themselves.
She is absolutely right about the impact she's had on people's lives as far as diet culture. I'm 39 but I grew up with my mom who was always dieting who washed Oprah every day. So even me as a young child, I was exposed to this sort of thinking. It is persisted with me through my entire life.
I miss Oprah Show.
I saw her ping pong around growing up and never understood when she was suddenly on weight watchers why people would fall for a celebrity endorcing a weight loss program. I mean my thought process was geeze this person who could afford a personal chef if she wanted to loost weight she could have a chef and nutritionist sit down with a list of her preferences and make everything she put in her mouth for her ... how hard is that? Obviously its more than that.
I remember my mom being on ww and she went sort of cray cray on it eating rice cakes with swiss cheese and apples ... i still have the smell of microwaved swiss in my memory 🤢 and she did loose a little bit gained it back and eventually settled into eating for health ....then my ex in laws did weight watchers when I was older i watched them both struggle in their own weight fil lost weight even though he would make himself zero point meals with ice berg lettuce and a half cup of ketchup.. tried to explain to him that the 0 points was for 1 serving of ketchup not a half cup of course he got mad at me (I was also heavy back then and they tried to push me into weight loss surgery and I said no) my mil was upset cause fil was loosing a little and she wasnt so would eat like 7 ww points a day.. i was like you need to eat in the points they want you to or your body will think its starving she eventually gave me a bag of peanut m&ms to give her a specific number of a day when she asked it helped her get towards the number and she started loosing weight. I had to stay with them during this time, because my ex was out of town aaaaanywho they went out to eat a LOT i was not invited and carless I didnt want to be a bother so just ate what they had on hand it was so much sugar free no fat no sugar stuff .. i didnt loose weight i just got sick had my period for a whole month and hair was falling out it was crazy. My mom and grandparents happened to be coming through and asked me to go with them and i did with in a week of eating real food again everything stopped my hair stopped falling out and everything. I was in my 20s back then but really thibk thats one of the times that really messed me up
your true friends will tell you when you need to lose weight. those who care disregard the awkwardness and risk the friendship to do what’s best for you, ultimately. those who don’t call you out are the same people who would look away if you suffered from any other drug addiction. they’re more concerned with how you feel about them than with your wellbeing. if your friend’s weight is detrimental to his or her health, you should be upfront with them about it. do it in a polite way, but remain firm. talk to them the way you would if they had a heroin addiction. assist them in getting help and keep on them. don’t sit back and watch them kill themselves with food. it’s unkind.
I was born in 83 and saw Joan Rivers hateful hind end on TV my whole life. She was an icon for all the wrong reasons IMO
I have not watched the show yet. Did they address the elephant in the room: The pharmaceutical companies and their astronomical profits associated with these prescriptions and the “movement”? The incentives for the businesses are so obvious to me.
I don’t know much about Oprah but I’m on weight watchers myself and really think it’s not the company’s fault for anyone’s bad feelings about weight, at least not now. In the past, they were awful, but now they promote slow weight loss, giving yourself grace, and healthy habit forming to live as your goal weight forever. People can take what they want from it, but imo, if you have a good coach, that’s all that matters. They always say no foods are “off limits” and you can just have small portions of “bad” foods. My coach always tells us how she struggled for decades keeping the weight off, but learned that it truly does need to be a lifestyle change to make it permanent. I think any weight loss program could be used for good or bad, it just depends on the person.
Good lord… that interview… poor Oprah.
Weight Watchers was how I lost my weight back in 2002. When I gained it back later it was because I refused to do the things I'd learned while attending meetings (ie. CICO) and instead bought into Body Positivity. Personally, I had a fantastic experience and would even recommend it to others.
Healthy shame is Good. Different than Toxic Shame. Parents for instance should guide children to stay healthy, and even adults should have relatives mention the weight.
I never knew about this Oprah / Joan Rivers interview. I would have been mortified had that happened to me. Especially on national television. SMH
Hurt people, hurt people
For a second I thought you were richard sandrak the worlds strongest kid.
Give us more! I'm pay part of that 80's diet culture. I lived in WW meetings and even with my trauma, I brought my daughter to those meetings 😢
show us more Oprah. I love your commentary.
Dude, Joan Rivers was the worst.
She was playing a character so well you believe that is actually who she is. Amazing
@@2okaycola "Beware the mask you wear for it can become your reality."
@@2okaycolaMaybe using a different name while playing this character would have helped people tell the difference. Sadly, since she showed up like this everywhere and under her own name it's easy to assume it was who she was. 🤷♀️ Frankly, it's like Ricky Gervais or George Carlin - sure, they're louder on stage or in front of a camera but those are really their views - just amplified for comedic effect.
She was amazing
Haven't trusted her since the Michael Jackson incident 🙄
ALR just loves WW. Like Oprah now moves to the shots. LOL
It just kind of makes me sad. Oprah’s self image was just as awful as many people. Because of her public status, I don’t think she could ever put her own emotional health first - publicity was always mixed in with it. I’m not disagreeing that in some ways she has done more harm than good, but I just kind of feel sorry for her.
I remember part of one of her shows -- either soon after she lost all that weight on the liquid diet or soon after--an older woman in the audience actually told her, "I liked you better when you were fat." I'm sure she never forgot that, straight from the mouth of one of her viewers.
Hell yeah, a live stream with him talking about this would be a fun watch. I agree that shame is enough to get started on a weight loss journey,but only self love will motivate a person to keep it going. And Oprah is just going with whatever she can make money on. Now its the shots, and in 5 years it'll be some new gimmick. Shes as disingenuous as the snakes she promotes on her show.
Isnt she still promoting diet culture by being on ozempic
The Joan Rivers clip is crazy, but Oprah brings up her weight and seems ready with a diet program to promote. It feels like it was always meant to be a talking point, even if the delivery of it is very harsh. I just feep Oprah is always promoting weight loss systems for financial gain, and probbaly is now again.
Wonder if she's gonna acknowledge her friendship with Harvey Weinstein
Finally early 🎉
would you say about a drug addict “leave them alone. they’re doing the best they know how at this moment”? no of course not. you would acknowledge that they are self harming and encourage them to seek treatment. it’s unkind to watch people eat themselves to illness and death without trying to intervene. as usual, oprah is playing the nice lady while doling out detrimental advice.
Bahahahaha and she'd still be contributing to it if it make her enough money
Yeah, I can sympathize with her a little, but that doesn't mean that you have to turn yourself into this villain 😂 and become like those who victimized you at the very beginning. I've also struggled with my weight my whole life, I've been called or said much unhinged stuff by people, but that doesn't mean I have to go around and do the same to others. 😅
This is toooooo much Oprah for me. She simply has a monetary interest now. IMO.
If she really wanted to do good she'd use her clout to expose how bad the crap processed food is, clean up food served in school, etc etc. She's all about taking the shortcuts and making sure she profits from it.
I don't feel bad for her. She's done that same thing to many people and much worse.
Grown people don't appeal to emotion in the face of inconvenient facts.
It is not shaming to say obesity is unhealthy.
Grown people take responsibility for their health.
That’s a vast oversimplification. Appeals to emotion are not the domain of children. Any basic class in editorial writing or speechwriting or litigation will strongly focus on appeals to emotion. Maybe there’s a point where it’s too much, but we’re living in an age of cultural counterpoints where body shaming is a counterpoint to widespread obesity and diabetes.
You cannot shame people out of years of bad habits, mental health, childhood trauma, or whatever else humans have going on with them. Studies show this to be a fact. It's an "inconvenient fact" to people who are "concerned for people's health" because they have never actually researched obesity medicine or social determinants of health but wanna talk the loudest. It's okay to admit you don't know enough about a subject and stick to your own life.
@@yallthought8444 This exactly. These “tough love” people are just using it as an excuse to be bullies.
@yallthought8444
Nothing in my comment is shaming anyone.
Also nothing you mentioned causes obesity.
Only excessive calorie consumption does that.
Addressing the root cause of maladaptive behaviors is important, but the behaviors themselves must also be addressed.
Take several deep breaths and try reading my comment from a neutral perspective.
@@JohnNathanShopper It is a first step.
Acknowledging a problem is the first step in solving the problem.
JOHN: JOAN RIVERS HAD A BIG RUDE MOUTH TO EVERYONE! TERRIBLE PERSON.
Joan Rivers was toxic af. I was so annoyed by this revisionist portrayal of her as some sort of feminist pioneer after she passed away.
Her early stand-up was funny, and she used her fame to dump all over other women.
So now they are back to Weight Watchers? 🤦🏻♀️ I love the brand, I lose -115lbs on the program back in their Mindy days pre Covid. I never liked Oprah or found her inspirational.
Shes a rat for talking poorly of joan rivers 😅
she’s despicable for telling people their eating habits and choices don’t affect their weight.
if i have to pay more for food and health insurance (and i do) because of others’ obesity, then i’m certainly not gonna “just be happy” letting them live however they want. if they’re spilling out into my bus or plane seat, i’m not gonna smile and let them be. the moment their choices affect me, that’s when it stops being their decision alone. i’m absolutely entitled to have an opinion and i refuse to pretend obesity is normal or healthy. we are not doing anyone any favors by playing along with this FA nonsense. your struggle with your weight IS your fault. telling people that they are powerless against it is disempowering and disgusting. ww was correct in saying your diet is “your choice.” the environment, genetics, etc makes no one obese. the only way to become obese, and maintain that weight, is to grossly overeat regularly. that’s an inconvenient fact. oprah herself has proven that dieting works. food is the answer. you stay thin until you return to eating calorie-laden foods or begin overeating. no other factors come into play. ozempic worked for oprah because it reduced her appetite. she ate less and lost weight. that proves it! no outside forces intervened. her genes, environment, society and fat phobia amounted to nothing. it was calories in/calories out. it always is.
What you wrote is true, but young people have a real problem with the truth these days.
Joan Rivers was the absolute worst and still is
I like Oprah. I’d love to spend a lovely afternoon in her gardens listening and gleaning knowledge from her.
Ugh, just go away. Oprah is completely out of touch with the everyday person, yet attempts to influence us. Go away already.
Yet, the woman has enough money to hire a nutritionist and a personal trainer, yet she uses Ozempic for actual people who have diabetes like myself.
That just proves that it doesn't matter how rich you are if you have a food addiction or a binge eating disorder you need therapy, support and to learn how to have a healthy relationship with food. It's very hard.
She can't control her appetite without help. It doesn't matter if she has a nutritionist and personal trainer if she can't stop overeating. Some people need more than just willpower to control their eating habits. Also, many medicines are used for other off-label purposes. Lighten up.
WAIT WAIT WAIT. Oprah learned who Joan was (awful) by the time her TV show aired. SORRY, the Joan experience can't be the Big Blame for Oprah's weight struggles.
Joan Rivers was very scummy.
Oprah is a public figure. Has been for decades. As a public figure, one is going to be scrutinized and opined upon. She lived an unhealthy lifestyle, including the liquid diet. This here is emo. It isn't helpful in terms of growing in a healthier lifestyle