As an ultra runner, I picked up the Rebel v4s few weeks ago as a recovery and easy run trainer. My daily is Newton Gravity 13 (I've been running in Newtons since they started as they suit me well), which I love, but they can be punishing for everyday wear. After about 50 miles, I absolutely love the Rebels and they put a smile on my face whenever I lace them up.
@@530deputydawg I'm up to about 300 miles on them. They have creases in the foam, but that seems to be mostly aesthetic as they still cushion and rebound well. Only very slight wear on the outsole, but still good traction. I'm guessing I'll get 400-450 miles out of them before the run quality degrades noticeably. But so far I'm impressed, and wouldn't be surprised if I get over 500 miles assuming the fall weather remains temperate and dry.
@jtsholtod.79 I have 260 on mine and same thing with the visible creases which doesn't effect the shoe. I'm going to run them until 400 miles then cycle em out
@@noppadolvashirakovit1620I also have slightly wide feet in the forefoot area, and found these to be great (I can't say the same about NB SC Trainer). The Rebels fit true to size for me overall, and leave just the right amount of space in the toes. The upper isn't "plush," but it's very comfortable. I've never had any hotspots, blisters or excessive movement in them.
Rebel Rebel - love this shoe Have not been able to really run since Chicago but picked this one up right away looking forward to getting miles in them now that I can run again! (been so busy workwise I have a bunch of videos to catch up on as well)
Glad to hear this because I just bought a pair. Thinking of getting two so they last the year. They really fit my sprawling toes and wide forefoot. Didn't even need to order the wide version. (My cushioned dailies are in extra wide fit).
@@axisofadvance666 My usual size varies all the time by brand, and even within brands. I erred towards going up. So I suppose you could say I went up half a size to an 11 regular width. Fit me perfectly.But, I often go with size 11 for NB and Saucony, while I use 10 1/2 for other brands
Great update! This shoe got me intrigued and I tried it on twice and unfortunately it didn't agree with me like I'd hoped. My legs were happier as soon as I went back to my trusted Nimbus and Novablast. Also tried the 1080 v13, which seemed to work better. I really want to try more New Balance but my legs love ASICS more.
I'm loving my pair but I get some heel rubbing on my right foot. I've tried the runner's knot but still need a band-aid (for now). Still less than 100km on them so hopefully I can wear the heel in a bit.
They’re so good. I was convinced that the Novablast 4 was my daily but the Rebel dethroned it after my first run. I might go full New Balance rotation for my Chicago block
Great review and I’m happy I bought these as a my trainers since I got myself a pair of SC Elite V4. Also happy to hear that the Metaspeed Sky+ Paris is a great race day shoe pair for these as I’m planning on getting a pair too. Loves from Manila Philippines 🇵🇭 ❤
bought this rebel v4 --- and i didnt think it would replacing my novablasts 4 ---- but its like a new level for me, so much fun to run in and way faster than the novablasts.... love em ---- concider to buy NB elites next year to try them out, when the rebel is such a good shoe
I’ve done just over 50km’s over three runs in my Rebel v4’s now, and have been very happy with them so far. I chose these over 1080v13 as I feel like these are actually more of a true successor to the more recent 1080’s (v11 and 12) than the 13 is, which has changed direction and become a high stack max cushion shoe. I loved the 11 and 12’s. For me the Rebel v4 has the right amount of stack height and I really like the feel of the new Peba EVA midsole. I like to feel the ground under foot, which I can in these, yet it still provides great cushioning and response.
The Rebel v2 is my favorite shoe ever, plate or no plate. The v3 was a big, boring step back for me. v4 is another big change, but definitely in the right direction. Very happy with this one.
How was the v3 a boring step back? Same midsole but with 1.5 mm more stack, better oursole and upper. Definitely an improvement on the v2, not a step back, or didn't you run in them both?
@@alejandromourra One of my least fav shoes for walking in. My triumph 18's are one of my go to's for walking in, so the new ones are prob even better. I also use my worn out novablasts.
Thank you for the post 100 miles review Kofuzi! Have to agree with your review so much! I love my Rebel V4! Rebel Rebel Rebel! It's an amazing shoe, I feel like I keep trying to reach for it everyday haha! NB did a great job on blending PEBA and EVA together with this shoe! Awesome daily trainer!
A very solid majority of people naturally run with a heel strike at most paces (pros included). The heel strike = bad is an old running myth that has hasn’t been supported by running research.
Yes. There is nothing wrong with heel striking. The majority of people do so, when running in shoes. People in the running community just try to make it a bad thing, which its not. Atleast no scientific proof that it is.
Typically the "pro" heel strike is actually the foot easing the shoe to the ground and the main weight of their body is still through a flat to forefoot landing. I think a true heel strike would be when you can really hear the shoes slapping the ground
I am a 300lbs runner and I have 68 miles in them, plenty of 5 mile runs and some tempo work. This shoe feels light and I keep going back to them even when I know I need to rotate shoes. They do feel soft under foot and more forgiven then other shoes Im wearing. I also am using the SC Elite v4 for my marathon shoe (that shoe is amazing)
Can you give update? How many miles you get out of them before they wore out? I'm 220 and have 170 miles on them and they are starting to feel not as cushioned
@@anthonyjackson6473 201 miles over 55 runs. I’m down to once a week using them and for less than 3 miles a run now. I feel a lot of ground feel and the foam does not react as quickly. I am using the SC Trainer 3 for all most all runs 4 miles and up.
Just ordered one and watched your vid afterwards. I’m flat-footed vet trying to maintain a decent athletic shape. Excited to give it a Go. Thanks for the review.
I have two pairs of these already (the white/green one and the all black one) and they have already been my go-to shoes. Raced Shamrock Shuffle in them and felt nice and fresh. I was between those and the SC Pacer and I feel the Rebel was the better option that day/distance.
Picked this up yesterday and after one run I'm liking it. 8.25oz in 11.5, easy to pickup the pace. I need to take it longer. I never tried the previous versions but with this one I feel it should have enough foam in the forefoot for my 190lb frame.
I'm tempted to give these New Balances a shot. A little wary though... My first NB pair were the Zantes, as a newbie, I did not know any better if they were good or not. Years later, I then bought a pair of FC Super Comp Trainer v1's that I wore less than 50 miles due to rubbing of my ankle. I ended up donating the pair at my local 5K's shoe collection.
I just started running and have many options to choose from. I’m trying to be patient and not buy something in a rush. I’ve had my eyes on these though and Action Bronson has a cool color-way of this model coming soon. Holding out for those.
Loving the shoe atm. It has this strong ability to adapt to just about any run. I did a faster 6km as my first run with it and it worked well. Did 12km with some 3:50m kms and it was wonderful and snappy. Took it for a half last week with a zone two run and did so well there too
Thanks for the review. As someone who'll be training and racing a marathon in the Rebel 3s, I think the Rebel V4 could also be the kind of shoe that I can use for everything (easy runs, hard runs, long runs), including races. I don't really buy into the idea of needing 4-5 pairs of shoes for different purposes. To me, that's a big part of what being non-elite means: I don't take my running or performance seriously enough to think that I need 4-5 pairs of shoes in a rotation (including $250+ racing shoes) to reach my goals. I also think that simplicity is a part of what it means to be a non-elite, so I think someone with dedication and a good training plan can train and race in one (or two) pairs of shoes and still meet their goals, whether it be a sub-3 marathon, or a sub-4/sub-5 marathon. If you like trying lots of different shoes and can afford to do so, more power to you. But I think trying to find 4-5 types of shoes and thinking that you can only use them one very specific type of run is overcomplicating things for amateur runners.
If that's the way you like to do it, fair enough. However, It's worth noting that having many pairs at once doesn't necessarily mean greater cost, provided you continue to use a shoe for its lifespan. I have quite a few pairs (including supershoes on sale for
@@DonalG45 Again, I have no beef against how others want to buy/use shoes. But the trend seems to be that all the shoe reviewers are advocating for using particular shoes for one particular use. And the effect could be that some people might think that that's the only way to run/train. So I'm just letting it be known that if the shoe works for you, it'll work for easy runs, hard runs, speed work, long runs, and even races. You don't have to obsess about finding shoes that are 1 oz lighter because people seem to be suggesting that speedwork can't be done in shoes over 8oz. Again, if people want to obsess and find the perfect shoe for any particular type of run, then by all means. But I think for the vast majority of amateur runners, it's not necessary.
@seungkim8576 I appreciate your point that some runners may feel they need to have 4-5 pairs of shoes because of the way shoes are sometimes described in reviews like this. Fwiw, I'm sure you're probably right. Most reviewers though, Mike included, never tell people that they need that many pairs. If some people choose to see it that way, that's on them. He often suggests how a shoe might fit into a rotation of shoes, which I find very helpful and, let's face it, most experienced runners will already have at least a few pairs that they use for different purposes. Re carbon plated shoes, have you ever tried a pair? At this stage, it's pretty well established the time difference a pair can make in a race. Personally, if it's not harming me or anyone else, I'm happy to use any advantage I can to run my fastest time on the day (which also includes well planned training, a good diet, sleep schedule). I'm definitely in the category of non-elite but I don't think having a few extra pairs of shoes (or supershoes) has overcomplicated things or means I'm taking it too seriously. To each their own I guess!
@@DonalG45 I agree. To each his own. I do wish, though, that there would be a popular RUclips shoe reviewer who thinks more like I do. But I suppose if he tells people that they don't need so many pairs of shoes and to wait to buy last year's model on sale, he probably wouldn't be a very successful RUclipsr--which gets at the idea that RUclipsrs have to promote new shoes all the time in order to be successful and to get shoes for free from companies. So I'm not a big fan of this perhaps unavoiadable situation where a RUclipsr has to encourage commercialism in order to be successful. I agree that Mike doesn't tell people that they need all those pairs of shoes. But when he and all the other RUclipsrs push the idea that certain shoes can only be used for certain purposes, it's hard not to get the message. I have not tried carbon-plated shoes. Too rich for my blood. I don't doubt that they help people run faster, but I'm OK with trying to run my best without that much technological aid--though I don't think any super shoes will help me break my marathon PR of 2:52 from 18 years ago. Age trumps shoes. And if I only run 3:20 instead of 3:15 because I don't wear carbon-plated shoes, I'd say to myself, "So what?" What difference would those 5 minutest make to a non-elite amateur runner? Also, I'd prefer to focus on running enough miles to reduce my race-day weight which would probably affect my time more than wearing Alphaflys vs. Rebel V3s.
@@Martha-fluterunner I'm glad that you've figured out a shoe-use system that works for you and keeps you healthy. No doubt, your years of experience have helped you figure out what works for you. And I've never said that one pair of shoes is the best approach for everyone--only that a 4-5 pair rotation doesn't have to be the norm for everyone. I appreciate Kofuzi and his reviews, especially when he compares different brands and different versions; they help me to make an informed choice which is important since I don't buy many shoes. But I'd disagree that "no one is telling you what to do," in that, especially for new or inexperienced runners, the idea of a different pair of shoes for every type of run seems like gospel truth since Kofuzi and so many in the running industry repeat this mantra (and let's face it, the whole industry--shoe companies, shoe stores, shoe reviewers--depends on people buying lots of shoes and jumping on the newest trends/technologies). I just wish that even one of these influencers would say "Relax. A one-ounce difference in weight is not going to make something an everyday trainer versus a speed-work trainer, so feel free to use these for whatever you want." These influencers (and perhaps many of today's runners) seem to not know or acknowledge that for years and years most people trained successfully for races without a 4-5 shoe rotation (and might I add, their times were faster than today). Do we really need to have separate shoes for everyday training, long runs, and recovery runs? In my experience, if a shoe works well for you, you can use it for anything. One more thing: I think the science behind how long shoes last is far from settled. I do think it's almost certain that they can last longer than what shoe companies recommend (which, again, makes sense when we remember that they want to sell as many pairs as possible). It's possible that rotating multiple pairs of shoes might help them last longer. For me, the jury is still out on that. I recently retired a pair of Asics Novablasts after 1500+ miles, which I used to run during my lunch hour at work; I had a different pair of shoes (Nike Pegagus) that I used to run at home, and I used that for 750 miles. So that was a different type of shoe rotation.
@kafuzi Which do you like better between the Rebel V4 and Mach 6? 🤔 They both have good selling points. I have tried them both on though have not run in them. The Rebel reminds me of a more streamlined Glycerin 21 with a stable wider base and firmer ride. The Mach 6 feels now more protective with a higher stack and squishier midsole the previous version with a now with that full critical EVA midsole.
I saw very different opinions on this shoe since its came out. But one thing I noticed was subpar upper in terms of durability which was a deal breaker for me. I guess they had to comprimise for optimal breathability.
I was not sure how would be the stability and "wobbly heel" (1080 v13 ?) Be in the Rebel v4, and I ended up going with the Puma Velocity Nitro 3 instead. I'm loving the Velocity 3, but later on in the year, I will see if I can give a shot with the Rebel v4 ! It is so lightweight that I doubt that it will have more than two or three rivals by the end of the year.
I demoed them last week. I found them bouncy without being mushy, which previous versions were. I’d use them for up-tempo. I think it’s a waste to use them for easy runs when I can run in something like the Ride or Cumulus.
The Rebel V3 is one of my favourite shoes ever. I assumed the Rebel V4's would be a no brainer. I ran in them yesterday for the first time, and the heel cut in my achilles to the point it started bleeding. Big disappointment...
I seen the rebel also get compared with the nike peg plus and the adizero sl2. if u had to choose between the rebel v4 and the sl2, which would u pick? I tried on the rebel v4 today and I like it. gotta check out the sl2 2morrow
Great video! Although from other reviews I thought the rebel v4 was better for tempo runs (half marathon/marathon paces) - do you see it like that? If not what are other non-plated tempo/long run recommendations? Cheers from Australia!
Don’t know what happened but I’m a size 7 and this rebel v4 turned out to be way bigger than all my other new balance shoes. Unfortunately will have to look for another option since there are no smaller sizes.
I got my Rebel V4’s a month ago and I have LOVED them! My wife thinks I’m ridiculous because of my current shoe rotation: daily-Rebel V4, Speed- Hyperion Max, Recovery - Foam X V4, Race or marathon distance efforts - Pro 3.
What happened to the pudding? You mentioned in the initial review that the footstrike felt pudding-y (making us all hungry). Did that ever go away after break-in?
I have both and both are great for easy runs. If you want light and snappy go Rebel if you want steady Eddie with a bit more cushion for longer miles go nova. I will say I’m more excited to run in the Rebel.
@@dinkthinks3958 im just started to learn to run for exercising and im still can only do easy runs only for 2min and already feels my leg burning up cause im working standing all day for 12 hours so im looking for a shoes that can train me to run longer and stronger on my leg. Maybe do you have any other recommendation on what shoes should i have since im still newbie 😅
@@dinkthinks3958 i'm still a newbie at running and can only do easy runs for 1 minutes without stopping and my legs already feels burning, i thought it because i was working for 12 hours shift standing all day as barista in coffee shop. Maybe do you have any other recommendation which shoes is best to train my leg to be strong and more endurance both running and working 😄?
@dinkthinks3958 i'm still a newbie at running and can only do easy runs for 1 minutes without stopping and my legs already feels burning, i thought it because i was working for 12 hours shift standing all day as barista in coffee shop. Maybe do you have any other recommendation which shoes is best to train my leg to be strong and more endurance both running and working 😄
@@robertokeane5066I wouldn’t use a shoe to strengthen your legs and feet. Rather, you should be doing cross training (strength exercises) for legs and that will allow you to use a less supportive shoe without fatiguing. I think you’re putting the cart before the horse, so to speak. On the other hand, once you’ve built up in your training to greater endurance, you can use a shoe like this more easily. 12 hr shifts on your feet is a big challenge, especially if you haven’t run enough and done strength work for endurance. Just my thoughts….You can find a lot online about how to build up strength, speed and endurance gradually in your running.
O bought the Rebel V4 for Christmas, with high expectations… I had to sized up 1 size cause my thumb was a bit tight. Yesterday I made my first 8 mile run and it was a disappointment… they damaged a lot the arc of my foot with an huge blister.
Give them more time and distance, mine started feeling great after about 20-30 miles, now i am on 70 miles and they keep getting better, so i would give them more time.
@@martinreznicek1152well,I get throw 40 miles now, and they’re getting better, I changed the insoles for the schooll Sports cause they’re cushioner near the arch of the foot , and I always wear 2 pairs of socks for the run…😂 Not the best experience for the price of the shoe, still prefer the Boston 12 by far.
I've noticed that some NB shoes have high collars (e.g. SC Trainer, More V4) while others do not (e.g. Rebel V3). I've had some ankle issues with the high NB collared shoes. Any insight into how the collar is in the Rebel V4?
I'm afraid my experience may not be helpful as I have not had issues with collars on any of the shoes you mentioned. I find the Rebel 4 collar to be comfortable and not unnecessarily padded
Rebel V3 was bordering on rubbing my ankles but was softer and eventually I got used to it. I got half size up to fit in length so that might have been the reason why the ankle collar was a bit higher than usual. Rebel V4 has less padded ankle collar and bites into heel. Even though it's TTS it feels just barely long enough but too wide and I couldn't get a good fit. There is also an obvious bump in the medial side of the arch which felt intrusive to me like in a stability shoe. Overall, Rebel V4 feels nothing like V3. Foam is stiffer, upper less conforming and feels bare-bones.
Just as a point of reference - More V4 rubs my ankles, SC Trainer V1 too but eventually found one pair half size up that doesn't but had to try out like 3 pairs, SC Trainer V2 is too short TTS but feels loose half size up, 1080 V13 is too narrow and rubs my big toe.
The foam is crazy good, and lasts, i have 2, 3, and possibly 4s soon 😂. It holds up well tho that rubber doesn't seem to wear much at all and i used on gravel and mountains .
I love CloudSurfer.. Can I use those for 16-20 mile long runs or Rebel v4 is best suited for long runs. Please let me know I am in dilemma for my long runs which one to use. I need to buy revel 4 I have revel 3
I am between Rebel V4 or Boston 12. I'd rather have comfort than energy return for an everyday shoe. What do you suggest, Sir? Great video, Mr. Kofuzi, as always. Have a great one!
Having both, I prefer the Rebel v4 over Boston 12. It’s fast without the plate and way more comfortable than the Boston 12. The Boston is an amazing shoes that you have to adapt to versus the rebel v4 that adapts to you imo.
I ran 4 miles in these a week ago at a NB event. They honestly felt so flat to me, like they were working against my stride. I much prefer a more intense rocker geometry like the endorphin shift, etc.
It’s a great time to be a runner. There’s a lot of different shoes out there for different preferences. I’m glad you’ve found something that you enjoy!
I got this shoes like 2 Month ago. At first, it's pleasing my feet so much. But, idk why it's getting unstable. Early Retirement for this shoes after maybe just for 100km and back to my novablast 4.
Can I wear the Rebel V4 on paved forest paths? Especially in the rain or when the stones and/or gravel are wet? I'm not talking about trails that go straight through the forest, but about firm paths in the woods
Paved first paths, like tarmac? Yes Wet stones or gravel? Depends on how smooth the stones and how wet the gravel, as I would advise for any road shoe when considered for this application.
I am new runner and not fast ( 6:30 z2 runs , treshold 5:00 and intervals up to 4:00 min/km ) I use for rege runs and z2 1080 v13 and I love them , and looking for v4 as second shoe for quicker sesions , Is it good shoe for it ? Because you sad you use it for slow runs 😁
there is a lot of overlap in the use cases of the 1080v13 and Novablast 4. I might pick something a bit more different if you already have one of those two. consider Deviate Nitro 3, Endorphin Speed 4, or Magic Speed 4
Hey Brother, wore them out of the box for a 5k time trial. They felt great under feet for easy running but they seemed to lack the pop or fast feel I was hoping for when pushing the pace. Been thinking about sending them back but after your video I will keep them for a few more sessions and see. In the mean time, I ordered Saucony Endorphin Speed 4 and Adidas Takumi Sen 10. Will do a comparison and let you know my thoughts. I'm looking for a 5k/10k racer.
@@kofuzi Hey Kofuzi, I did a track session 12x 400 in the Saucony Speed, felt great. I did an easy run the next day and the Rebel 4 was very good for that. So, you were right on. Great job sir!
Did I try any faster runs with them? yes Wasn't faster runs the purpose of this shoe? no, although I suppose it depends on the POV. New Balance has told me that the Rebel was always supposed to be a daily trainer. So as far as the manufacturer's intent goes, the answer to your question is no. But, from my perspective as someone who perceived Rebel v's1-3 as being a tempo shoe foremost, the answer to your question is yes.
As an ultra runner, I picked up the Rebel v4s few weeks ago as a recovery and easy run trainer. My daily is Newton Gravity 13 (I've been running in Newtons since they started as they suit me well), which I love, but they can be punishing for everyday wear. After about 50 miles, I absolutely love the Rebels and they put a smile on my face whenever I lace them up.
How many miles can you get out of them? I heard 300 to 500.
@@530deputydawg I'm up to about 300 miles on them. They have creases in the foam, but that seems to be mostly aesthetic as they still cushion and rebound well. Only very slight wear on the outsole, but still good traction. I'm guessing I'll get 400-450 miles out of them before the run quality degrades noticeably. But so far I'm impressed, and wouldn't be surprised if I get over 500 miles assuming the fall weather remains temperate and dry.
@jtsholtod.79 I have 260 on mine and same thing with the visible creases which doesn't effect the shoe. I'm going to run them until 400 miles then cycle em out
Do they fit tts and how's the width for someone who has slightly wide feet?
@@noppadolvashirakovit1620I also have slightly wide feet in the forefoot area, and found these to be great (I can't say the same about NB SC Trainer). The Rebels fit true to size for me overall, and leave just the right amount of space in the toes. The upper isn't "plush," but it's very comfortable. I've never had any hotspots, blisters or excessive movement in them.
Got a pair 2 days ago. Took them out for 13 miles right out of the box. New balance killed it on this one!
glad to hear you're enjoying it!
I've got about 30 miles in my v4's and am loving it so far. Very similar experience for me as well, I'm loving this shoe.
glad to hear it's working!
Rebel Rebel - love this shoe Have not been able to really run since Chicago but picked this one up right away looking forward to getting miles in them now that I can run again! (been so busy workwise I have a bunch of videos to catch up on as well)
Love your videos. They inspire me to get off the couch!
Ur the only one I watch for running shoes reviews. Thank you for that
Thanks for watching!
Glad to hear this because I just bought a pair. Thinking of getting two so they last the year. They really fit my sprawling toes and wide forefoot. Didn't even need to order the wide version. (My cushioned dailies are in extra wide fit).
Hey, did you end up getting your usual size, or did you size up half a size on these?
@@axisofadvance666 My usual size varies all the time by brand, and even within brands. I erred towards going up. So I suppose you could say I went up half a size to an 11 regular width. Fit me perfectly.But, I often go with size 11 for NB and Saucony, while I use 10 1/2 for other brands
Great update! This shoe got me intrigued and I tried it on twice and unfortunately it didn't agree with me like I'd hoped. My legs were happier as soon as I went back to my trusted Nimbus and Novablast. Also tried the 1080 v13, which seemed to work better. I really want to try more New Balance but my legs love ASICS more.
im NB guy but just got the cumulus! excited to try asics!
I'm loving my pair but I get some heel rubbing on my right foot. I've tried the runner's knot but still need a band-aid (for now). Still less than 100km on them so hopefully I can wear the heel in a bit.
They’re so good. I was convinced that the Novablast 4 was my daily but the Rebel dethroned it after my first run. I might go full New Balance rotation for my Chicago block
Almost at 100 miles in my V4's Totally agree with you I'm always excited to get out running in these for a variety of efforts. (shoutout to the stone)
How is the foam holding up
@@richiecortezzz7415 some creasing but still feeling energetic and fun underfoot!
Just bought this shoe because of this review. First ever New Balance, can't wait.
Hope you love them!
How'd you get on?
@@macfin4862 Great. Also using it for speedwork. Not using it so much for long runs though: Superblast for that.
Hey Rebe, hey Rebe hey
This comment will cease to make sense after he edits the title.
So far he hasn't, but the original title is "New Balance Rebe v4 after 100 miles"
Great review and I’m happy I bought these as a my trainers since I got myself a pair of SC Elite V4. Also happy to hear that the Metaspeed Sky+ Paris is a great race day shoe pair for these as I’m planning on getting a pair too. Loves from Manila Philippines 🇵🇭 ❤
bought this rebel v4 --- and i didnt think it would replacing my novablasts 4 ---- but its like a new level for me, so much fun to run in and way faster than the novablasts.... love em ---- concider to buy NB elites next year to try them out, when the rebel is such a good shoe
Glad you’re enjoying them!
Like from Spain 🇪🇸. A nice monday for everyone.
I’ve done just over 50km’s over three runs in my Rebel v4’s now, and have been very happy with them so far. I chose these over 1080v13 as I feel like these are actually more of a true successor to the more recent 1080’s (v11 and 12) than the 13 is, which has changed direction and become a high stack max cushion shoe. I loved the 11 and 12’s. For me the Rebel v4 has the right amount of stack height and I really like the feel of the new Peba EVA midsole. I like to feel the ground under foot, which I can in these, yet it still provides great cushioning and response.
Need to get my hands on a pair asap - I'm loving the cloudsurfers for easy miles
I just got the V3 in December so I’ll be sticking with those.
The Rebel v2 is my favorite shoe ever, plate or no plate. The v3 was a big, boring step back for me. v4 is another big change, but definitely in the right direction. Very happy with this one.
How was the v3 a boring step back? Same midsole but with 1.5 mm more stack, better oursole and upper. Definitely an improvement on the v2, not a step back, or didn't you run in them both?
@@thomascunningham8234 fit was way worse tho
Only had mine for a few weeks but really happy with them and think I will get another pair later in the year
currently my favorite running shoe!
and for walking around? i need some super good shoes for walk a lot for my weak feets dont hurt hehe
@@alejandromourra One of my least fav shoes for walking in. My triumph 18's are one of my go to's for walking in, so the new ones are prob even better. I also use my worn out novablasts.
@@tonybowen455how come??
Thank you for the post 100 miles review Kofuzi! Have to agree with your review so much! I love my Rebel V4! Rebel Rebel Rebel!
It's an amazing shoe, I feel like I keep trying to reach for it everyday haha!
NB did a great job on blending PEBA and EVA together with this shoe! Awesome daily trainer!
I love these shoes. Great video. Something else to know is that the Rebel v4 comes in WIDE!!! A great option for people, like me, who have wider feet.
glad to hear that they are working so well for you!
How does this compare to a Novablast 3? Would love to add another daily trainer and love the all black colorway
Yes exactly! My current and previous rebels always felt like one with my leg/body when I run in em! Can't wait to buy these when I can :)
I bought this shoe a few days ago, thanks to this review.
Noticed the pro marathon ppl strike in the heel 😮
When runners get tired, almost every single one will heel strike. It's just that the pros can go a lot further with better mechanics than non-pros.
A very solid majority of people naturally run with a heel strike at most paces (pros included). The heel strike = bad is an old running myth that has hasn’t been supported by running research.
Yes. There is nothing wrong with heel striking. The majority of people do so, when running in shoes. People in the running community just try to make it a bad thing, which its not. Atleast no scientific proof that it is.
Typically the "pro" heel strike is actually the foot easing the shoe to the ground and the main weight of their body is still through a flat to forefoot landing. I think a true heel strike would be when you can really hear the shoes slapping the ground
So long as you're not overstriding heel striking is okay.
Can you make a video of your best running shoes for Treadmill
I am a 300lbs runner and I have 68 miles in them, plenty of 5 mile runs and some tempo work. This shoe feels light and I keep going back to them even when I know I need to rotate shoes. They do feel soft under foot and more forgiven then other shoes Im wearing. I also am using the SC Elite v4 for my marathon shoe (that shoe is amazing)
nice combo!
Did u get wide or normal size
Normal size
Can you give update? How many miles you get out of them before they wore out? I'm 220 and have 170 miles on them and they are starting to feel not as cushioned
@@anthonyjackson6473 201 miles over 55 runs. I’m down to once a week using them and for less than 3 miles a run now. I feel a lot of ground feel and the foam does not react as quickly. I am using the SC Trainer 3 for all most all runs 4 miles and up.
Got a big half marathon PR in these last week!
Nice!
Just ordered one and watched your vid afterwards. I’m flat-footed vet trying to maintain a decent athletic shape. Excited to give it a Go. Thanks for the review.
I hope you enjoy it!
Soft shoes are not good for flat foot
I got plantar fasciitis and my heels are very tender so the soft shoes alleviate that part.
I have two pairs of these already (the white/green one and the all black one) and they have already been my go-to shoes. Raced Shamrock Shuffle in them and felt nice and fresh. I was between those and the SC Pacer and I feel the Rebel was the better option that day/distance.
Picked this up yesterday and after one run I'm liking it. 8.25oz in 11.5, easy to pickup the pace. I need to take it longer. I never tried the previous versions but with this one I feel it should have enough foam in the forefoot for my 190lb frame.
I'm tempted to give these New Balances a shot. A little wary though... My first NB pair were the Zantes, as a newbie, I did not know any better if they were good or not. Years later, I then bought a pair of FC Super Comp Trainer v1's that I wore less than 50 miles due to rubbing of my ankle. I ended up donating the pair at my local 5K's shoe collection.
I just started running and have many options to choose from. I’m trying to be patient and not buy something in a rush. I’ve had my eyes on these though and Action Bronson has a cool color-way of this model coming soon. Holding out for those.
can’t wait for the review of SC Pacer v2!😅
Loving the shoe atm. It has this strong ability to adapt to just about any run. I did a faster 6km as my first run with it and it worked well. Did 12km with some 3:50m kms and it was wonderful and snappy. Took it for a half last week with a zone two run and did so well there too
it really is versatile
love the new rebel v4 it's to pricey here in the Philippines almost 165 usd
I ordered a pair yesterday to replace my 7 year old ultraboosts, I hope I get some more comfortable shoes!
I suspect they will be more comfortable than 7 year old shoes. Happy running!
I hope this is still in stock by the time my current shoes need replacing. They sound perfect for a heavy wife footed runner like me.
Can not decide between the Rebel V4 or Novablast 4. Ugh. Guess I might buy both since I am retiring my Nimbus 25s to a comfy walking around shoe
either way, you're going to get a great shoe
Are these actually better than the nimbus 25/26?
I’m already dreaming of a “winterized” version of this shoe.
Would love to see a full cover on the out sole for durability. Exposed foam will get trashed
I’m hoping to pick up a oair of these sometime this week/weekend.
Is this good for heavy runners?😅
Thanks for the review. As someone who'll be training and racing a marathon in the Rebel 3s, I think the Rebel V4 could also be the kind of shoe that I can use for everything (easy runs, hard runs, long runs), including races. I don't really buy into the idea of needing 4-5 pairs of shoes for different purposes. To me, that's a big part of what being non-elite means: I don't take my running or performance seriously enough to think that I need 4-5 pairs of shoes in a rotation (including $250+ racing shoes) to reach my goals. I also think that simplicity is a part of what it means to be a non-elite, so I think someone with dedication and a good training plan can train and race in one (or two) pairs of shoes and still meet their goals, whether it be a sub-3 marathon, or a sub-4/sub-5 marathon. If you like trying lots of different shoes and can afford to do so, more power to you. But I think trying to find 4-5 types of shoes and thinking that you can only use them one very specific type of run is overcomplicating things for amateur runners.
If that's the way you like to do it, fair enough. However, It's worth noting that having many pairs at once doesn't necessarily mean greater cost, provided you continue to use a shoe for its lifespan.
I have quite a few pairs (including supershoes on sale for
@@DonalG45 Again, I have no beef against how others want to buy/use shoes. But the trend seems to be that all the shoe reviewers are advocating for using particular shoes for one particular use. And the effect could be that some people might think that that's the only way to run/train. So I'm just letting it be known that if the shoe works for you, it'll work for easy runs, hard runs, speed work, long runs, and even races. You don't have to obsess about finding shoes that are 1 oz lighter because people seem to be suggesting that speedwork can't be done in shoes over 8oz. Again, if people want to obsess and find the perfect shoe for any particular type of run, then by all means. But I think for the vast majority of amateur runners, it's not necessary.
@seungkim8576
I appreciate your point that some runners may feel they need to have 4-5 pairs of shoes because of the way shoes are sometimes described in reviews like this. Fwiw, I'm sure you're probably right.
Most reviewers though, Mike included, never tell people that they need that many pairs. If some people choose to see it that way, that's on them.
He often suggests how a shoe might fit into a rotation of shoes, which I find very helpful and, let's face it, most experienced runners will already have at least a few pairs that they use for different purposes.
Re carbon plated shoes, have you ever tried a pair? At this stage, it's pretty well established the time difference a pair can make in a race. Personally, if it's not harming me or anyone else, I'm happy to use any advantage I can to run my fastest time on the day (which also includes well planned training, a good diet, sleep schedule). I'm definitely in the category of non-elite but I don't think having a few extra pairs of shoes (or supershoes) has overcomplicated things or means I'm taking it too seriously. To each their own I guess!
@@DonalG45 I agree. To each his own. I do wish, though, that there would be a popular RUclips shoe reviewer who thinks more like I do. But I suppose if he tells people that they don't need so many pairs of shoes and to wait to buy last year's model on sale, he probably wouldn't be a very successful RUclipsr--which gets at the idea that RUclipsrs have to promote new shoes all the time in order to be successful and to get shoes for free from companies. So I'm not a big fan of this perhaps unavoiadable situation where a RUclipsr has to encourage commercialism in order to be successful. I agree that Mike doesn't tell people that they need all those pairs of shoes. But when he and all the other RUclipsrs push the idea that certain shoes can only be used for certain purposes, it's hard not to get the message.
I have not tried carbon-plated shoes. Too rich for my blood. I don't doubt that they help people run faster, but I'm OK with trying to run my best without that much technological aid--though I don't think any super shoes will help me break my marathon PR of 2:52 from 18 years ago. Age trumps shoes. And if I only run 3:20 instead of 3:15 because I don't wear carbon-plated shoes, I'd say to myself, "So what?" What difference would those 5 minutest make to a non-elite amateur runner? Also, I'd prefer to focus on running enough miles to reduce my race-day weight which would probably affect my time more than wearing Alphaflys vs. Rebel V3s.
@@Martha-fluterunner I'm glad that you've figured out a shoe-use system that works for you and keeps you healthy. No doubt, your years of experience have helped you figure out what works for you. And I've never said that one pair of shoes is the best approach for everyone--only that a 4-5 pair rotation doesn't have to be the norm for everyone. I appreciate Kofuzi and his reviews, especially when he compares different brands and different versions; they help me to make an informed choice which is important since I don't buy many shoes. But I'd disagree that "no one is telling you what to do," in that, especially for new or inexperienced runners, the idea of a different pair of shoes for every type of run seems like gospel truth since Kofuzi and so many in the running industry repeat this mantra (and let's face it, the whole industry--shoe companies, shoe stores, shoe reviewers--depends on people buying lots of shoes and jumping on the newest trends/technologies). I just wish that even one of these influencers would say "Relax. A one-ounce difference in weight is not going to make something an everyday trainer versus a speed-work trainer, so feel free to use these for whatever you want." These influencers (and perhaps many of today's runners) seem to not know or acknowledge that for years and years most people trained successfully for races without a 4-5 shoe rotation (and might I add, their times were faster than today). Do we really need to have separate shoes for everyday training, long runs, and recovery runs? In my experience, if a shoe works well for you, you can use it for anything.
One more thing: I think the science behind how long shoes last is far from settled. I do think it's almost certain that they can last longer than what shoe companies recommend (which, again, makes sense when we remember that they want to sell as many pairs as possible). It's possible that rotating multiple pairs of shoes might help them last longer. For me, the jury is still out on that. I recently retired a pair of Asics Novablasts after 1500+ miles, which I used to run during my lunch hour at work; I had a different pair of shoes (Nike Pegagus) that I used to run at home, and I used that for 750 miles. So that was a different type of shoe rotation.
@kafuzi Which do you like better between the Rebel V4 and Mach 6? 🤔 They both have good selling points. I have tried them both on though have not run in them. The Rebel reminds me of a more streamlined Glycerin 21 with a stable wider base and firmer ride. The Mach 6 feels now more protective with a higher stack and squishier midsole the previous version with a now with that full critical EVA midsole.
Ive been considering this modl for a few weeks now... this vid won me over - I'm convinced! have you got an affiliate link??
I saw very different opinions on this shoe since its came out. But one thing I noticed was subpar upper in terms of durability which was a deal breaker for me. I guess they had to comprimise for optimal breathability.
@kofuzi Always enjoyed your reviews. Enjoying the V3 and definitely gonna be getting the V4 even before this review! 👍🏼👍🏼
I was not sure how would be the stability and "wobbly heel" (1080 v13 ?) Be in the Rebel v4, and I ended up going with the Puma Velocity Nitro 3 instead. I'm loving the Velocity 3, but later on in the year, I will see if I can give a shot with the Rebel v4 ! It is so lightweight that I doubt that it will have more than two or three rivals by the end of the year.
All the Hokas I have worn are way more narrow in the midfoot etc and New Balance is better for my high-arch wide feet
I demoed them last week. I found them bouncy without being mushy, which previous versions were. I’d use them for up-tempo. I think it’s a waste to use them for easy runs when I can run in something like the Ride or Cumulus.
Which one do you recommend rebel 4 or Novablast 4...I have the Vaporfly 3
Would you recommend these sneakers for super long runs (10-15 miles)?
I love Rebel V4 ❤
The Rebel V3 is one of my favourite shoes ever. I assumed the Rebel V4's would be a no brainer. I ran in them yesterday for the first time, and the heel cut in my achilles to the point it started bleeding. Big disappointment...
they've quite different from the 3. sorry to hear it's not working for you
I seen the rebel also get compared with the nike peg plus and the adizero sl2. if u had to choose between the rebel v4 and the sl2, which would u pick? I tried on the rebel v4 today and I like it. gotta check out the sl2 2morrow
Met New Balance rep on saturday. She mentioned it has 60-80& PEBA in that Rebel 4 whereas SC Elite 4 has 100% PEBA.
Great video! Although from other reviews I thought the rebel v4 was better for tempo runs (half marathon/marathon paces) - do you see it like that? If not what are other non-plated tempo/long run recommendations? Cheers from Australia!
Don’t know what happened but I’m a size 7 and this rebel v4 turned out to be way bigger than all my other new balance shoes. Unfortunately will have to look for another option since there are no smaller sizes.
NB rebel V4 vs Adidas Boston 12 which one do you prefer? Current im using boston 12. Thinking to get the rebel v4.
the rebel v4 is like a mini superblast its that good people
I got the v4 and instantly got knee pain . Only after 10k run. I returned it for the new balance 1080 v13.
sorry to hear about that. hope the 1080 is working better for you!
lol wtf u could exchange it even after doing a 10k in em?
@@io-rj6sk yup as long as it’s on treadmill . Here in Saskatchewan Canada 🇨🇦.
@@dustydreaver wow thats crazy lol
@@dustydreaver do they ask if u ran on the treadmil with em? or no questions asked
I got my Rebel V4’s a month ago and I have LOVED them! My wife thinks I’m ridiculous because of my current shoe rotation: daily-Rebel V4, Speed- Hyperion Max, Recovery - Foam X V4, Race or marathon distance efforts - Pro 3.
have you had any rubbing on the back of the heel?
@@Ninja-Cake None, and I do not need to heel-lock with the lacing.
@@Ninja-Cakeno rubbing here as well. Really enjoying this shoe.
@@Ninja-Cake yesss.... on my right foot.
I have wide feet, especially in the toe box area. Do you think this shoe would suit someone with my foot shape?
My birthday in 19 days, birthday present sorted! Held the Rebe couple of days ago, super light. Great review.
What happened to the pudding? You mentioned in the initial review that the footstrike felt pudding-y (making us all hungry). Did that ever go away after break-in?
what should i choose for my daily easy run? rebel v4 or novablast 4? or maybe other recommendation?
I have both and both are great for easy runs. If you want light and snappy go Rebel if you want steady Eddie with a bit more cushion for longer miles go nova. I will say I’m more excited to run in the Rebel.
@@dinkthinks3958 im just started to learn to run for exercising and im still can only do easy runs only for 2min and already feels my leg burning up cause im working standing all day for 12 hours so im looking for a shoes that can train me to run longer and stronger on my leg. Maybe do you have any other recommendation on what shoes should i have since im still newbie 😅
@@dinkthinks3958 i'm still a newbie at running and can only do easy runs for 1 minutes without stopping and my legs already feels burning, i thought it because i was working for 12 hours shift standing all day as barista in coffee shop. Maybe do you have any other recommendation which shoes is best to train my leg to be strong and more endurance both running and working 😄?
@dinkthinks3958 i'm still a newbie at running and can only do easy runs for 1 minutes without stopping and my legs already feels burning, i thought it because i was working for 12 hours shift standing all day as barista in coffee shop. Maybe do you have any other recommendation which shoes is best to train my leg to be strong and more endurance both running and working 😄
@@robertokeane5066I wouldn’t use a shoe to strengthen your legs and feet. Rather, you should be doing cross training (strength exercises) for legs and that will allow you to use a less supportive shoe without fatiguing. I think you’re putting the cart before the horse, so to speak. On the other hand, once you’ve built up in your training to greater endurance, you can use a shoe like this more easily. 12 hr shifts on your feet is a big challenge, especially if you haven’t run enough and done strength work for endurance. Just my thoughts….You can find a lot online about how to build up strength, speed and endurance gradually in your running.
Do you think it would be repetitive to have both the Mach 6 and the Rebels?
the two shoes overlap quite a bit, but it could make sense. the rebel is good at recovery days and slower days, which the Mach 6 isn't as excellent in
O bought the Rebel V4 for Christmas, with high expectations… I had to sized up 1 size cause my thumb was a bit tight. Yesterday I made my first 8 mile run and it was a disappointment… they damaged a lot the arc of my foot with an huge blister.
Give them more time and distance, mine started feeling great after about 20-30 miles, now i am on 70 miles and they keep getting better, so i would give them more time.
@@martinreznicek1152well,I get throw 40 miles now, and they’re getting better, I changed the insoles for the schooll Sports cause they’re cushioner near the arch of the foot , and I always wear 2 pairs of socks for the run…😂
Not the best experience for the price of the shoe, still prefer the Boston 12 by far.
My blue rebel4 also 110km today
nice
Woww you really chase them marathoners while making video, seems interesting I need to try that 😂
it's my happy place
This is my “finally found my shoe”
nice!
If I could only do 1 shoe...rebel v4, saucony speed 4, or boston 12...which would you recommend? I want a do it all shoe. Please and thank you!
Ima guess Kofuzi would say Speed 4. Easily
Hoping to get a pair of these.
I've noticed that some NB shoes have high collars (e.g. SC Trainer, More V4) while others do not (e.g. Rebel V3). I've had some ankle issues with the high NB collared shoes. Any insight into how the collar is in the Rebel V4?
I'm afraid my experience may not be helpful as I have not had issues with collars on any of the shoes you mentioned.
I find the Rebel 4 collar to be comfortable and not unnecessarily padded
@@kofuzi Many thanks--useful as always! I probably have a weird ankle!
I had that issue with 880 v13 only but not with Rebel V3. Heel lock lacing helped a bit.
Rebel V3 was bordering on rubbing my ankles but was softer and eventually I got used to it. I got half size up to fit in length so that might have been the reason why the ankle collar was a bit higher than usual. Rebel V4 has less padded ankle collar and bites into heel. Even though it's TTS it feels just barely long enough but too wide and I couldn't get a good fit. There is also an obvious bump in the medial side of the arch which felt intrusive to me like in a stability shoe. Overall, Rebel V4 feels nothing like V3. Foam is stiffer, upper less conforming and feels bare-bones.
Just as a point of reference - More V4 rubs my ankles, SC Trainer V1 too but eventually found one pair half size up that doesn't but had to try out like 3 pairs, SC Trainer V2 is too short TTS but feels loose half size up, 1080 V13 is too narrow and rubs my big toe.
The foam is crazy good, and lasts, i have 2, 3, and possibly 4s soon 😂. It holds up well tho that rubber doesn't seem to wear much at all and i used on gravel and mountains .
Sorry to say, but this v4 appears to have other foam.
I love CloudSurfer.. Can I use those for 16-20 mile long runs or Rebel v4 is best suited for long runs. Please let me know I am in dilemma for my long runs which one to use. I need to buy revel 4 I have revel 3
If you could only buy these, oncloud surfer or puma deviate nitro 3 which would you choose? Thanks
Hi Kofuzi, with sizing with any running shoes, do you still size up or you get your true to size?
I am between Rebel V4 or Boston 12. I'd rather have comfort than energy return for an everyday shoe. What do you suggest, Sir? Great video, Mr. Kofuzi, as always. Have a great one!
Having both, I prefer the Rebel v4 over Boston 12. It’s fast without the plate and way more comfortable than the Boston 12. The Boston is an amazing shoes that you have to adapt to versus the rebel v4 that adapts to you imo.
@@DJjayenvy thank you so much, Mr. I appreciate that!
Have both and really like both. If I had to choose just one I’d have to say Rebel. It’s lighter and all around more comfortable.
@@DJjayenvy Couldn't have said any better. I own them both and feel exactly the same!
Definitely eyeing a pair. Cheers!
Yo! Sir Kofuzi and Ko fam, I want to know if these are good for a non plated race day shoes?
I ran 4 miles in these a week ago at a NB event. They honestly felt so flat to me, like they were working against my stride. I much prefer a more intense rocker geometry like the endorphin shift, etc.
It’s a great time to be a runner. There’s a lot of different shoes out there for different preferences. I’m glad you’ve found something that you enjoy!
Dope review (as always).
Thanks Captain Obvious!
I got this shoes like 2 Month ago. At first, it's pleasing my feet so much. But, idk why it's getting unstable. Early Retirement for this shoes after maybe just for 100km and back to my novablast 4.
did you buy true to size or half size up?
Interesting, Thomas at BITR said it lost its “pop” after 100 miles and that turned me off the shoe.
That must be because of the weight difference
Can I wear the Rebel V4 on paved forest paths? Especially in the rain or when the stones and/or gravel are wet? I'm not talking about trails that go straight through the forest, but about firm paths in the woods
Paved first paths, like tarmac? Yes
Wet stones or gravel? Depends on how smooth the stones and how wet the gravel, as I would advise for any road shoe when considered for this application.
I like these. Only problem is that it cuts up my Achilles on one foot. I don’t know why. I have to use a moleskin.
Can Nimbus 26 will be a good shoe for forefoot runners? If not can you suggest me other shoe which prices around 150$
NB FTW what’s going on. Elite runner here
I am new runner and not fast ( 6:30 z2 runs , treshold 5:00 and intervals up to 4:00 min/km ) I use for rege runs and z2 1080 v13 and I love them , and looking for v4 as second shoe for quicker sesions , Is it good shoe for it ? Because you sad you use it for slow runs 😁
there is a lot of overlap in the use cases of the 1080v13 and Novablast 4. I might pick something a bit more different if you already have one of those two. consider Deviate Nitro 3, Endorphin Speed 4, or Magic Speed 4
What do you think of these as an all day walking shoe? Also, are they true to size or need a half size up? Thanks!
A1. they're great.
A2. true to size. a touch big, if anything.
Is REBEL V4 suitable for heavy runners ?
Thank you
Hey Brother, wore them out of the box for a 5k time trial. They felt great under feet for easy running but they seemed to lack the pop or fast feel I was hoping for when pushing the pace. Been thinking about sending them back but after your video I will keep them for a few more sessions and see. In the mean time, I ordered Saucony Endorphin Speed 4 and Adidas Takumi Sen 10. Will do a comparison and let you know my thoughts. I'm looking for a 5k/10k racer.
If you’re looking for a race shoe, then probably one of the race shoes you mentioned will suit you better
@@kofuzi Hey Kofuzi, I did a track session 12x 400 in the Saucony Speed, felt great. I did an easy run the next day and the Rebel 4 was very good for that. So, you were right on. Great job sir!
How do they compare against endorphin speed?
Did you try any faster runs with them? I know there are faster plated options, but wasn’t that the purpose of this shoe?
Did I try any faster runs with them? yes
Wasn't faster runs the purpose of this shoe? no, although I suppose it depends on the POV. New Balance has told me that the Rebel was always supposed to be a daily trainer. So as far as the manufacturer's intent goes, the answer to your question is no.
But, from my perspective as someone who perceived Rebel v's1-3 as being a tempo shoe foremost, the answer to your question is yes.