Thanks for the info!! So I've tried a 12sp Shimano chain on my 11 sp SRAM eTap with Shimano DA9100 crankset and can confirm the issue of shifting on the front. Because of the narrower chain I had to move the high limit on the front derailleur out to help push the narrower chain up to the big ring otherwise it wouldn't shift. This caused a few drops while riding and made it annoying, not to mention some scratches on the crank arm. I will say, the rear shifting was crisp and much quieter with the 11sp chain. Having seen this, I will try to get the new 8100 chain rings on my 9100 crankset and get that narrower gap on the front because I really like the 12sp shifting on the back.
I’m upgrading to 12s and I’m having a really hard time finding 165mm cranks like I’m already used to on my TT. Thanks to your video I now know that I can keep my old cranks and mount new chainrings. It’s a pity though that Ultegra stops at 52… I’m pushing a 54 and that change would force me to run 52-11 that rally is non that optimal. Hope Shimano will release 54/40 as well
this was damn useful. i've been wandering (and asking) for weeks if i could put a quarq dzero with rotor noq chainrings with a the new ultegra 12v, and i finally got the answer. the "yes, but" is already something (that, for instance, customer services wouldn't give me). just need to realize what kind of difference those 2mm would really do.
Hey, this is quite helpful for sure. I have 2023 Ultegra 12 electronic shift on my new Bianchi and fancy replacing the 50 outer ring for a 52 Specialites TA TT ring, but Specialites TA list it only as 11 speed.I'm hoping they'll get back to me with good news asap before I get the bike delivered.
thanks for the video. Although I think I am sure I found the answer to my question I need your confirmation - I got some great deal on some bike which came with Dura Ace 9170 crankset 52/36. If I replace entire crankset (not just the chainrings) for new DA 9250 54/40 will it work flawlessly with that 11 spd cassette? thanks
so to confirm, ive got brand new DA 12 speed drivetrain, want to get an FSA brand 11 speed crankset & chainrings, it will work just not shift as amazing as the stock DA 12spd chainrings?
I used a 9100 crank with my 12 speed 8100 Worked well shifted well for about 4 months The Teeth started to wear on it And I had 2 consecutive chains snap Replaced it with an 8100 crank and the problem As went away
Can just triple check if I'm watching the correctly. I can use shimano 9200 chain rings with Quarq Dfour power meter? Everything will shift and calibrate as it should, but cosmetically it won't 100% line up
Btw, because of the new inner seal on the 12 speed crank spindle, you'll need the shorter '1st version' crank fixing bolt. The 2nd version is too long and will bottom out.
Great video. I didn't know that the 12-speed chainrings are 2mm closer. Also one thing you didn't mention, the 12-speed chainline is +1mm as compared to 9100. But it appears that's still within the adjustment range of the 12-speed FD so running an old 11-speed crank should be OK. I'm also curious if the 9200 FD will work with the GRX crank which has a +1.5mm chainline as compared to the 9200 crank. And it has a 17T gap.
I am going to switch to SL-K Light Tandem Rear Crankset (which, nominally, is 11sp). Have you tested the 12sp FD with the 11sp crank already? Does it work as it should or should I wait until (sooner or later) FSA makes the 12sp version?
Hey one thing you didn't mention, but I assume is the same, is the chainring bolts? Do the new 12 speed cranks use the same length chainring bolts as the 11 speed cranks?
Great video. Thank you. Quick question, can you put a non-sculptured chainring (ex: 46T AbsoluteBlack chainring) on the R9200 crank? I figured if the 4-hole PM like Power2Max that has no sculptured works with R9200 chainring, maybe it works vice versa with non-sculptured chainring with R9200? Just wondering.
You gave chain measurements early on that don't entirely follow the standard method for measuring chains. Can you measure again and post the results? Outside width should be measured at the rivet, outside to outside. Inside width is measured between the inner faces of the inner plates, not the outer plates. Outer width has changed with each change in total speeds, but 9-11 speed chains have all been nominally 11/128ths inner width between inner links. Since the inner surface of outer links only contacts the teeth during shifting, or on a 1x narrow-wide chainring, it's really the inner width between inner links that matters for chain compatibility with a chainring.
@GadgetBlues - ruclips.net/video/IYx3RR9rai4/видео.htmlsi=nTNyFl7lRz3NKYVN&t=337 but in 12 S also this curved surfaces of 2 lower screw sockets are not fitting perfectly crank arm, so it may mean most ot stability comes from pints where screws hold chainring.
105 and Ultegra have the same compatibility as dura ace. Grx rings are not compatible with any other shimano cranks, but you can use any GRX ring with any GRX crank.
People who had spare / custom big chainrings from 6800 to 9100 - will not use it on new 9200 of fc08 / fc09 cranksets (those last two from recent warranty Recall of cranks) > so Shimano is forcing You to buy new chainrings or when You have flat chainrings and skill - try to remove one angle on not fitting small-screw holding "arm"... Cause one screw holding arms in old 9000 and 9100 ia already littl curved.
@@hangrytim 9000 front mech does trim. you might have the components installed slightly differently. i swapped out the cranks on the same bike and they shifted exactly the same way
I think it should work I am thinking of swapping the 105 chainrings on Sora crank And on Shimano website if you see the exploded view it seems that same bolt is used for securing the chainrings And since they both have the same b.c.d the only factor left out is the shape of the crank design, which by eyeballing it doesn't look so different but I guess can be easily confirmed if you roughly compare it with someone else's crankset. Do tell if anyone has success with it
For 9100 and 9200 gens crank arms aren't compatible with big rings from other gens!! ruclips.net/video/tpVpgXOzzSE/видео.html ruclips.net/video/amOTvj229Mo/видео.html only 9000 gens arms are cross-compatible with all other gens
I don't think you understood what was being said in this video. The difference is BACKWARDS vs. FORWARDS compatibility. Backward compatibility means a new product works with old products. Forward compatibility means an old product works with new products. In context, if the 9000 crankarms work with 9200 rings, they are forward compatible. If the 9200 crankarms do not work with 9000 rings, they are not backwards compatible. This video states that FORWARD compatibility exists, but that BACKWARDS compatibility does not. The two videos you have linked to are about forwards compatibility. All videos agree with each other: on 9000 arms, you can use 9000,9100,and 9200 rings. On 9100 arms you can use 9100 or 9200 rings. On 9200 arms you can only use 9200 rings. The same applies to the equivalent generations of 105 & Ultegra.
This guy "looks" at the chainrings and says they're compatible? How ridiculous. Try actually putting an 11-speed crank into a 12-speed system and tell us what you find. It doesn't work.
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Thank you for such a concise video. Very straightforward and to the point.
Thank you, very useful and I ran into issue as looks like I need some sort of tool to take my crank off as it has PM build in
Thanks for the info!! So I've tried a 12sp Shimano chain on my 11 sp SRAM eTap with Shimano DA9100 crankset and can confirm the issue of shifting on the front. Because of the narrower chain I had to move the high limit on the front derailleur out to help push the narrower chain up to the big ring otherwise it wouldn't shift. This caused a few drops while riding and made it annoying, not to mention some scratches on the crank arm. I will say, the rear shifting was crisp and much quieter with the 11sp chain. Having seen this, I will try to get the new 8100 chain rings on my 9100 crankset and get that narrower gap on the front because I really like the 12sp shifting on the back.
I’m upgrading to 12s and I’m having a really hard time finding 165mm cranks like I’m already used to on my TT. Thanks to your video I now know that I can keep my old cranks and mount new chainrings. It’s a pity though that Ultegra stops at 52… I’m pushing a 54 and that change would force me to run 52-11 that rally is non that optimal. Hope Shimano will release 54/40 as well
what a lifesaver of a video! and the cat made it all that much better! thank you!!
this was damn useful. i've been wandering (and asking) for weeks if i could put a quarq dzero with rotor noq chainrings with a the new ultegra 12v, and i finally got the answer. the "yes, but" is already something (that, for instance, customer services wouldn't give me). just need to realize what kind of difference those 2mm would really do.
All I need to see is the Wera Zyklop and I immediately know you're pro. Thanks for the video.
Great info!
Thank you. This video clears my question on whether 9100 crank arm would work with the 9200 chainrings.
ruclips.net/video/tpVpgXOzzSE/видео.html
I got the same curiosity
Hey, this is quite helpful for sure. I have 2023 Ultegra 12 electronic shift on my new Bianchi and fancy replacing the 50 outer ring for a 52 Specialites TA TT ring, but Specialites TA list it only as 11 speed.I'm hoping they'll get back to me with good news asap before I get the bike delivered.
I'm using the FC R8100 at my R8000 group set with 11 Speed chain and it works awesome
thanks for the video. Although I think I am sure I found the answer to my question I need your confirmation - I got some great deal on some bike which came with Dura Ace 9170 crankset 52/36. If I replace entire crankset (not just the chainrings) for new DA 9250 54/40 will it work flawlessly with that 11 spd cassette? thanks
so to confirm, ive got brand new DA 12 speed drivetrain, want to get an FSA brand 11 speed crankset & chainrings, it will work just not shift as amazing as the stock DA 12spd chainrings?
Can the remaining Chainring R9200 in the 34T be exchanged for the same Chainring R9100 34T? Thanks.
I used a 9100 crank with my 12 speed 8100 Worked well shifted well for about 4 months The Teeth started to wear on it And I had 2 consecutive chains snap Replaced it with an 8100 crank and the problem As went away
What about 9200 chainrings with r8070 di2 groupset?
Hello, I want to attach another brand 9100 crankset to my full Shimano 9200 set. Is it suitable?
Do you know if I can use my new 12 speed rear derailleur on my 11 speed cassettee (on turbo trainer)?
Hi maybe you can help me. Its possible to use new dura ace chainring on new ultegra crankset?
Can just triple check if I'm watching the correctly.
I can use shimano 9200 chain rings with Quarq Dfour power meter? Everything will shift and calibrate as it should, but cosmetically it won't 100% line up
Btw, because of the new inner seal on the 12 speed crank spindle, you'll need the shorter '1st version' crank fixing bolt. The 2nd version is too long and will bottom out.
Hello, irrelevant question, what power2max power meter is this? The ngeco or the Ng?
Great video. I didn't know that the 12-speed chainrings are 2mm closer. Also one thing you didn't mention, the 12-speed chainline is +1mm as compared to 9100. But it appears that's still within the adjustment range of the 12-speed FD so running an old 11-speed crank should be OK. I'm also curious if the 9200 FD will work with the GRX crank which has a +1.5mm chainline as compared to the 9200 crank. And it has a 17T gap.
I am going to switch to SL-K Light Tandem Rear Crankset (which, nominally, is 11sp).
Have you tested the 12sp FD with the 11sp crank already?
Does it work as it should or should I wait until (sooner or later) FSA makes the 12sp version?
@@PrzemyslawSliwinski Yes. On one bike I have the 9200 FD paired with 11-speed GRX chainrings. Shifts great.
@@jonathanwoo6597 ThnX!
What about the inner chainring?
Does the 12 speed crank work with the 11 speed di2 ?
Question 4U pls .
12 speed Shimano Dura Ace 52/36 . Can l put the 54/40 on them ? Or do l have 2 purchase 2 sets of cranksets ?
So, 9100 chainrings will work with 9200 Cranks but will have a lack of shifting performance due to the new teeth?
Is it possible to mount the 54/40 from Dura-Ace on the new Ultegra crankset?
I really want to know the answer with this as well!
Hey one thing you didn't mention, but I assume is the same, is the chainring bolts? Do the new 12 speed cranks use the same length chainring bolts as the 11 speed cranks?
no, new ones are longer
Great video. Thank you. Quick question, can you put a non-sculptured chainring (ex: 46T AbsoluteBlack chainring) on the R9200 crank? I figured if the 4-hole PM like Power2Max that has no sculptured works with R9200 chainring, maybe it works vice versa with non-sculptured chainring with R9200? Just wondering.
He won’t answer you.
Have you tested the new Shimano 12 speed with the Cannondale Hollowgram chainrings?
I am having 12 speed fitted to my system six on Wednesday so will let you know
You gave chain measurements early on that don't entirely follow the standard method for measuring chains. Can you measure again and post the results? Outside width should be measured at the rivet, outside to outside. Inside width is measured between the inner faces of the inner plates, not the outer plates. Outer width has changed with each change in total speeds, but 9-11 speed chains have all been nominally 11/128ths inner width between inner links. Since the inner surface of outer links only contacts the teeth during shifting, or on a 1x narrow-wide chainring, it's really the inner width between inner links that matters for chain compatibility with a chainring.
@GadgetBlues - ruclips.net/video/IYx3RR9rai4/видео.htmlsi=nTNyFl7lRz3NKYVN&t=337 but in 12 S also this curved surfaces of 2 lower screw sockets are not fitting perfectly crank arm, so it may mean most ot stability comes from pints where screws hold chainring.
Can u use 9200 chainrings with 9100 crank and use it with 9100 11 speed mechanical groupset?
yes you can and for better results use the 12 speed chain too and you wont face issues on front shifting plus a generally quieter groupset
Great video but I'm looking to change my 9200 inner chain ring (36) for a 9100 (34) inner for a hilly training camp. Will this be compatible?
Don’t hold your breath for an answer.
Is there grx chainring and 105 or r8000 campatibility video?
105 and Ultegra have the same compatibility as dura ace. Grx rings are not compatible with any other shimano cranks, but you can use any GRX ring with any GRX crank.
People who had spare / custom big chainrings from 6800 to 9100 - will not use it on new 9200 of fc08 / fc09 cranksets (those last two from recent warranty Recall of cranks) > so Shimano is forcing You to buy new chainrings or when You have flat chainrings and skill - try to remove one angle on not fitting small-screw holding "arm"... Cause one screw holding arms in old 9000 and 9100 ia already littl curved.
So will a 50 40 ultegra 12 sp work on my 52 36 11 sp
Ultegra 6800 w 9100
comment when shimano introduced the 9100 the crank chainline was modified vs rim brak 9000. can you compare 9200 versus 9100 . thanks
I have DA 9000 di2 wanting to upgrade crankset to 9100 will there be shifting issues??
there will not. both are 11speed and use the same 11spd cassette/chain.
@@marcuswong1797 I thought gap was wider between chainrings?
@@hangrytim gap is the same between 11 speed groupsets. it changes only when going from 11 speed to 12 speed
@@mikes1984 if it is the same why dosent it shift as good plus can't adjust trim on 9000 front mech.
@@hangrytim 9000 front mech does trim. you might have the components installed slightly differently. i swapped out the cranks on the same bike and they shifted exactly the same way
What about using the 12 speed crank on 11 speed groupset?
I have this question too. Mechanical r8000 ultegra chainring but want to use the new 160mm ultegra 8100 cranks - not possible?
I have the same question … do you find the answer ? Thanks
I think it should work
I am thinking of swapping the 105 chainrings on Sora crank
And on Shimano website if you see the exploded view it seems that same bolt is used for securing the chainrings
And since they both have the same b.c.d the only factor left out is the shape of the crank design, which by eyeballing it doesn't look so different but I guess can be easily confirmed if you roughly compare it with someone else's crankset.
Do tell if anyone has success with it
I have no problem with chainring. Bike came with Di2 12sp installed 😀
For 9100 and 9200 gens crank arms aren't compatible with big rings from other gens!!
ruclips.net/video/tpVpgXOzzSE/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/amOTvj229Mo/видео.html
only 9000 gens arms are cross-compatible with all other gens
I don't think you understood what was being said in this video. The difference is BACKWARDS vs. FORWARDS compatibility. Backward compatibility means a new product works with old products. Forward compatibility means an old product works with new products. In context, if the 9000 crankarms work with 9200 rings, they are forward compatible. If the 9200 crankarms do not work with 9000 rings, they are not backwards compatible.
This video states that FORWARD compatibility exists, but that BACKWARDS compatibility does not. The two videos you have linked to are about forwards compatibility. All videos agree with each other: on 9000 arms, you can use 9000,9100,and 9200 rings. On 9100 arms you can use 9100 or 9200 rings. On 9200 arms you can only use 9200 rings. The same applies to the equivalent generations of 105 & Ultegra.
This guy "looks" at the chainrings and says they're compatible? How ridiculous. Try actually putting an 11-speed crank into a 12-speed system and tell us what you find. It doesn't work.
Can't pay attention to what you say because of this stupid audio plugin. Use headphones to test what you are doing!