Lars this is helpful video - another idea to further explore is if you could video a series of different failover events to understand what happens and what considerations need to be made. How long is switching time? When how does it switch back? is it seamless for videoconferencing or no? For example there are some other config options that will pass certain traffic over Starlink but keep stateful services (such as Zoom) on the slow/but reliable ISP.
Good idea. So far I know that the failover is instant. It does lose session state, but there is no lag. There is no way to direct some traffic. It is all or nothing. I'm not sure when and under what conditions it switches back, but it does.
Quite a bit has changed since this video (which I'm watching as I can't quite get things working!). You can now set port 8 on the UDMP as WAN2 (great!) but I no longer see any failover options in the Internet/Advanced settings. Ideally I'd just like to shove one of my vLans out to Starlink under normal circumstances, but fully failover if I lose my primary. Still trying to figure all of that out, right now, although I see the Starlink 100.x.x.x IP for WAN2, it's not passing traffic.
This Guy is also a Comedian!!!! Nice work !!! Nerd POWER..., we are untouchable!! I got mine on a NextGen UXG-Pro, but with Fiber and then starlink, and I got ATT 4g as failover, and those other 2 are load balancing 80/20. My other dedicated line is another /29 static set up and for my office and my wife only on their own vlan's and lines, ip's. on lan and wan.. for that luckily had dsl so that is failover for that, lol.., I do not go offline.. I hope you have solar and battery bank to charger you Tesla and keep the UPS's charged so your Sat connections stay up 100% !!
thanks for this video, I'm using Starlink as my WAN 2 failover also, but it doesn't get an automatic IP like in your video, I tested the failover and my devices weren't getting any ip addresses either. Any idea how to resolve that?
That is strange. If you don't get an IP address from Starlink, it definitely won't work. I am not sure why, but I would restart that UDM, maybe try swapping the WAN connections to see if you can get Starlink to work at all.
@@LarsKlintTech thanks, I eventually had to leave my Starlink router plugged in with the cable connected to the Starlink dish, then use another CAT cable from the Starlink router to my UDM pro, I previously thought plugging the cable straight from satellite to the UDM pro was the way to go.
@@ekowlloyd Ah, right! Depending on your generation of Starlink, they do connect differently. I have to go through the power brick on the gen 1, which is what the CAT6 connects too. Sometimes, if there is a power outage, I have to restart Starlink a couple of times to get the connection back.
It's maybe too late for my comment, as you may have found a solution now. But for the error you've found, you should try config negotiation speed from auto to a specified speed - 1 Gbps for example. I think it is a Ubiquity's bug when we use an adapter like this.
Comments are always welcome 😁 I'm not using the failover anymore, so can't really test it unfortunately. It may be a big that has been resolved based on what other users have reported.
Hi Lars, thanks for the informative video - I have a very similar set-up but have a fixed wireless ISP for the failover - Starlink is WAN1 (Primary). Reading the comments I have a similar problem to others in that the Starlink has a dropout or other service disruption and the UDM-P fails-over to WAN 2 but it doesn't revert back again to Starlink - it needs to be rebooted to work. Also the static route for the app stops working too. Any suggestions? Others say an unmanaged switch is needed between dishy and the UDM??? What's causing this?? Thanks
Hi Matt, thanks for watching. I have had the same issue a few times, having to pull out the secondary connection, force Starlink to connect, then plug the secondary back in. I haven't had to reboot Starlink, apart from very early on in the life of Dishy. I am not sure about the unmanaged approach, but using the MAC address (layer 2) instead of the IP address (layer 3) might make it more stable. I'll have to investigate that more at some point.
Hi Lars. Bookmarked your video when Iwas waiting for my dish and I have been trying to find out how to proceed if you have only Starlink as you primary and only means of getting onto the internet. So I am not needing failover. I connected by Starlink brick directly to the primary internet port on the UDM pro and in fact the UDM pro automatically did a restart and then crashed. I cycled the power and within a few minutes I was online through the starlink connection. I am not at the actual site where this install happened and today I have been getting an error when I select the network. I can however see my dashboard so I assume I am still connected. Unifi network 400: Bad Request Please to get back to the homepage. Further to this I tried to set up the access to the app as per your video but after doing so was unable to connect to the internet and it caused issues with my network. Would this be because my setup is not like yours where you are only using the Starlink as a failover?
Hi Andy. It shouldn't matter if you have failover or not. I am guessing you are accessing this through unifi.ui.com? The UDM Pro doesn't care what connection is coming in as such, so it's strange it crashed. I don't think that has anything to do with Starlink specifically. Which version of the Starlink dish do you have? Round or square? With the app, that only works when you are on the local network of the UDM Pro. You mentioned you aren't at the site, so how are you testing this?
I recently got t-mobile 5g home internet service for 50$ and extremely happy. I live out in the woods of Texas and get 500 to 600 down and 20 to 50 up. So no dish for me. Just a very small 5g modem.
They need to launch some more starlink's into a Polar orbit and the only launch pad is Vandenberg Space Launch Complex 4. 34° 37′ 58.8″ N, 120° 36′ 46.8″ W
Lars to get the WANs to swap you may be better off deleting and recreating the networks under Settings/Networks and assigning the ports there or at least doing the WAN assignment there as a first step - just a thought - at least that's how I did failover on the USG
Yeah, I could do that. Part of me thinks this is a feature that should work without me having to "fix" it though. It works for now, but if was a bit annoying.
I have the same setup. I have been getting random dropouts every few days and i have to plug the starlink router back in the dish to get it back online and plug it back from the starlink POE to the UDM are you getting similar issues? If i run the starlink router on i can get signal using the AUX port but have to plug the ethernet into Port 1 on the UDM but lose the functions and access to the UDM
@@gz7150 It is strange. The modem is inside Dishy, so unless it needs to talk to the Starlink router, there shouldn't be any reason for it not working. If it is dependant on the router, then that is a design flaw, as many would want to not use it.
I had the same setup and I would lose connection to Starlink and it would not reestablish without unplugging the Ethernet to the dish. One solution I found was put a basic switch between Starlink and my udm pro.
What's the fail over time and does it swap back once starlink comes back . I have 5g modem and starlink and right now I manual switch while working and want to get a UDM just no one shows a true test. Just how to hook it up
Good question Mike. The failover is instant to the point of almost not noticing. Your IP will change, so that may have some effect. Sometimes it swaps back, and sometimes not. I am not sure if it is meant to or not tbh, but unplugging the secondary to force it back works. And at that point you are at least aware you might have a brief interruption.
@@LarsKlintTech thanks for that. I live in the middle of nowhere we have 2 TMobile routers and just got starlink. Both my wife and I work remotely and I'm thinking of running starlink primary and the 5g second and then cancel the 3rd . Word on the street is that load balance is in early access too and I was worried it was only the special edition but it looks like it's going to be both pro and SE so I guess I'm going to order one in the morning and a access point and see how this goes.
@@bbmikek I am "in the middle of nowhere" too 😊 At least you can get a mobile signal, which also works on well... your phone 😂 Load balance would be nice too. I am probably going to cancel my second satellite connection though, as Starlink has been near perfect for me.
No, I only use the transceiver to convert from RJ45 to the SFP connector, as there is only one RJ45 input in the UDM-PRO. If you don't want failover, you just use the single RJ45 with your Starlink connection.
Oh very interesting. I’ve ordered my Starlink … waiting for it … can’t wait to see your future videos as you talk through reliability etc :)
Lars this is helpful video - another idea to further explore is if you could video a series of different failover events to understand what happens and what considerations need to be made. How long is switching time? When how does it switch back? is it seamless for videoconferencing or no? For example there are some other config options that will pass certain traffic over Starlink but keep stateful services (such as Zoom) on the slow/but reliable ISP.
Good idea. So far I know that the failover is instant. It does lose session state, but there is no lag.
There is no way to direct some traffic. It is all or nothing.
I'm not sure when and under what conditions it switches back, but it does.
Quite a bit has changed since this video (which I'm watching as I can't quite get things working!). You can now set port 8 on the UDMP as WAN2 (great!) but I no longer see any failover options in the Internet/Advanced settings. Ideally I'd just like to shove one of my vLans out to Starlink under normal circumstances, but fully failover if I lose my primary. Still trying to figure all of that out, right now, although I see the Starlink 100.x.x.x IP for WAN2, it's not passing traffic.
Yes, things to change. That is a good thing 😊
Failover and load balancing is now in the settings for the network controller under "Internet".
This Guy is also a Comedian!!!! Nice work !!! Nerd POWER..., we are untouchable!! I got mine on a NextGen UXG-Pro, but with Fiber and then starlink, and I got ATT 4g as failover, and those other 2 are load balancing 80/20. My other dedicated line is another /29 static set up and for my office and my wife only on their own vlan's and lines, ip's. on lan and wan.. for that luckily had dsl so that is failover for that, lol.., I do not go offline.. I hope you have solar and battery bank to charger you Tesla and keep the UPS's charged so your Sat connections stay up 100% !!
Haha, thanks Jas. We do definitely need ALL THE CONNECTIONS!
I do have a UPS and solar, but no Tesla. I prefer well built cars that excite you 😏
You can also Set wan 2 to LAN 8 Port. So you have 2 RJ-45 WAN on UDM Pro ;)
Ah, cool. Is this a new feature? Don't remember seeing that at the time.
@@LarsKlintTech i don't know. Got my UDM Pro few Months ago and it worked from beginning.
thanks for this video, I'm using Starlink as my WAN 2 failover also, but it doesn't get an automatic IP like in your video, I tested the failover and my devices weren't getting any ip addresses either. Any idea how to resolve that?
That is strange. If you don't get an IP address from Starlink, it definitely won't work. I am not sure why, but I would restart that UDM, maybe try swapping the WAN connections to see if you can get Starlink to work at all.
@@LarsKlintTech thanks, I eventually had to leave my Starlink router plugged in with the cable connected to the Starlink dish, then use another CAT cable from the Starlink router to my UDM pro, I previously thought plugging the cable straight from satellite to the UDM pro was the way to go.
@@ekowlloyd Ah, right! Depending on your generation of Starlink, they do connect differently. I have to go through the power brick on the gen 1, which is what the CAT6 connects too. Sometimes, if there is a power outage, I have to restart Starlink a couple of times to get the connection back.
It's maybe too late for my comment, as you may have found a solution now. But for the error you've found, you should try config negotiation speed from auto to a specified speed - 1 Gbps for example. I think it is a Ubiquity's bug when we use an adapter like this.
Comments are always welcome 😁 I'm not using the failover anymore, so can't really test it unfortunately. It may be a big that has been resolved based on what other users have reported.
Hi Lars, thanks for the informative video - I have a very similar set-up but have a fixed wireless ISP for the failover - Starlink is WAN1 (Primary). Reading the comments I have a similar problem to others in that the Starlink has a dropout or other service disruption and the UDM-P fails-over to WAN 2 but it doesn't revert back again to Starlink - it needs to be rebooted to work. Also the static route for the app stops working too. Any suggestions? Others say an unmanaged switch is needed between dishy and the UDM??? What's causing this?? Thanks
Hi Matt, thanks for watching. I have had the same issue a few times, having to pull out the secondary connection, force Starlink to connect, then plug the secondary back in. I haven't had to reboot Starlink, apart from very early on in the life of Dishy. I am not sure about the unmanaged approach, but using the MAC address (layer 2) instead of the IP address (layer 3) might make it more stable. I'll have to investigate that more at some point.
Hi Lars. Bookmarked your video when Iwas waiting for my dish and I have been trying to find out how to proceed if you have only Starlink as you primary and only means of getting onto the internet. So I am not needing failover. I connected by Starlink brick directly to the primary internet port on the UDM pro and in fact the UDM pro automatically did a restart and then crashed. I cycled the power and within a few minutes I was online through the starlink connection. I am not at the actual site where this install happened and today I have been getting an error when I select the network. I can however see my dashboard so I assume I am still connected. Unifi network 400: Bad Request Please to get back to the homepage. Further to this I tried to set up the access to the app as per your video but after doing so was unable to connect to the internet and it caused issues with my network. Would this be because my setup is not like yours where you are only using the Starlink as a failover?
Hi Andy. It shouldn't matter if you have failover or not. I am guessing you are accessing this through unifi.ui.com? The UDM Pro doesn't care what connection is coming in as such, so it's strange it crashed. I don't think that has anything to do with Starlink specifically.
Which version of the Starlink dish do you have? Round or square?
With the app, that only works when you are on the local network of the UDM Pro. You mentioned you aren't at the site, so how are you testing this?
I recently got t-mobile 5g home internet service for 50$ and extremely happy. I live out in the woods of Texas and get 500 to 600 down and 20 to 50 up. So no dish for me. Just a very small 5g modem.
That is a good solution. No 5G here, let alone 4G. I have a smidgen of 3G, so Starlink is amazing 😊
They need to launch some more starlink's into a Polar orbit and the only launch pad is Vandenberg Space Launch Complex 4.
34° 37′ 58.8″ N, 120° 36′ 46.8″ W
They can launch them from anywhere though. The satellites move themselves into the right orbit.
have you tried this on the v3.X version? Any better? Load balancing is finicky with certain apps...
Unfortunately I only have the V1 Dishy, so haven't been able to test.
@@LarsKlintTech I mean the udm pro firmware version
Oh, right 😂
I haven't got load balancing currently as Starlink is amazing. Sorry 😐
Lars to get the WANs to swap you may be better off deleting and recreating the networks under Settings/Networks and assigning the ports there or at least doing the WAN assignment there as a first step - just a thought - at least that's how I did failover on the USG
Yeah, I could do that. Part of me thinks this is a feature that should work without me having to "fix" it though. It works for now, but if was a bit annoying.
@@LarsKlintTech are you saying deleting and recreating the networks is the solution to get on 1Gpbs
@@martintasi2966 It is _one_ way of doing it as @mightstrike says. I just changed the port configuration in the controller instead.
@@LarsKlintTech Thanks
I have the same setup. I have been getting random dropouts every few days and i have to plug the starlink router back in the dish to get it back online and plug it back from the starlink POE to the UDM are you getting similar issues?
If i run the starlink router on i can get signal using the AUX port but have to plug the ethernet into Port 1 on the UDM but lose the functions and access to the UDM
Hmm, that doesn't sound good. I have had no outages or droupouts so far. It has worked flawlessly with the UDM Pro connected for about 10 days now.
@@LarsKlintTech hmmmm, i might do a factory reset of the UDM and reset the network could be an issue
@@gz7150 It is strange. The modem is inside Dishy, so unless it needs to talk to the Starlink router, there shouldn't be any reason for it not working. If it is dependant on the router, then that is a design flaw, as many would want to not use it.
@@LarsKlintTech i agree. just hope it something simple
I had the same setup and I would lose connection to Starlink and it would not reestablish without unplugging the Ethernet to the dish. One solution I found was put a basic switch between Starlink and my udm pro.
as someone on nbn hfc what are the speeds like with nbn sky muster ?
When I was using Skymuster I was getting about 45-50 down and 12 up. The latency of 600ms is the real problem though.
What's the fail over time and does it swap back once starlink comes back . I have 5g modem and starlink and right now I manual switch while working and want to get a UDM just no one shows a true test. Just how to hook it up
Good question Mike. The failover is instant to the point of almost not noticing. Your IP will change, so that may have some effect.
Sometimes it swaps back, and sometimes not. I am not sure if it is meant to or not tbh, but unplugging the secondary to force it back works. And at that point you are at least aware you might have a brief interruption.
@@LarsKlintTech thanks for that. I live in the middle of nowhere we have 2 TMobile routers and just got starlink. Both my wife and I work remotely and I'm thinking of running starlink primary and the 5g second and then cancel the 3rd . Word on the street is that load balance is in early access too and I was worried it was only the special edition but it looks like it's going to be both pro and SE so I guess I'm going to order one in the morning and a access point and see how this goes.
@@bbmikek I am "in the middle of nowhere" too 😊 At least you can get a mobile signal, which also works on well... your phone 😂
Load balance would be nice too. I am probably going to cancel my second satellite connection though, as Starlink has been near perfect for me.
Hi great video, do I still need a transceiver module if I dont want failover?
No, I only use the transceiver to convert from RJ45 to the SFP connector, as there is only one RJ45 input in the UDM-PRO. If you don't want failover, you just use the single RJ45 with your Starlink connection.
@@LarsKlintTech So the plug that goes into the Starlink router can go in the udm pro?
@@meg_k9_ Yep, that is in effect what I do 😊
@@LarsKlintTech excellent thanks ever so much.
@@meg_k9_ no dramas. Let me know how it goes.
Try dual starlink load balancing and let me know if you get it to work, particularly with the starlink modems or dishes in bypass mode
Are you sponsoring the second Starlink unit John?
SFP to electrical. No need to convert from fiber
Hi Brandon. I am not sure exactly what you mean. Could you elaborate?
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