What if Kirk's original Master Of Puppets riff was on the album?

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  • @williamrusso3130
    @williamrusso3130 3 месяца назад +2643

    It's not a bad riff. It's just too busy for what the section calls for. James simplifying it was the right thing to do. The original version I could hear as a standalone riff that ramps into a vocal section, like you hear in several songs on Justice.

    • @puppetmaster86
      @puppetmaster86  3 месяца назад +145

      I know, I was just curious and tried to experiment with it.

    • @uweadFFUCHS
      @uweadFFUCHS 3 месяца назад +27

      Pretty cool and interesting to listen to. I like his riff,but It doesn't serve the dense Wall of Sound structure❤

    • @FlagerMiszcz
      @FlagerMiszcz 3 месяца назад +23

      it is much better than the original riff, this song is so boring

    • @re4477
      @re4477 3 месяца назад +6

      Agreed, tight riff, but by simplyfying it let you listen to the lyrics. 👍👍👊👊

    • @shamicentertainment1262
      @shamicentertainment1262 3 месяца назад

      @@FlagerMiszczyou’re an idiot lol. Calling one of the best metal songs written boring

  • @cariocatm1359
    @cariocatm1359 3 месяца назад +2459

    sounds like something megadeth would do

    • @USAnowOIL
      @USAnowOIL 3 месяца назад

      ruclips.net/video/wrCQtlFUjZs/видео.html

    • @dasistthomsen9
      @dasistthomsen9 3 месяца назад +109

      Yeah its called bad songwriting

    • @thefoxcreation3580
      @thefoxcreation3580 3 месяца назад

      It's called better guitar work, idiot. I love Metallica more than them but that songwriting and megadeths can't be compared ​@@dasistthomsen9

    • @oppositeonion3871
      @oppositeonion3871 3 месяца назад +489

      @@dasistthomsen9 dudes really calling megadeth bad

    • @HaZe_5020
      @HaZe_5020 3 месяца назад +196

      ​@@dasistthomsen9So you deny the existence of Tornado of Souls, Holy Wars, Peace Sells, Hangar 18, Symphony of destruction etc...

  • @ram76921
    @ram76921 3 месяца назад +1057

    It's def a dope riff but it's just a lot for that section of the song.

    • @aztecwhistle9122
      @aztecwhistle9122 3 месяца назад +33

      They should've thrown it in right at the end without vocals

    • @TheCreed077
      @TheCreed077 3 месяца назад +19

      If this riff made it to the original you wouldn't think it was too much.

    • @longlivebytor
      @longlivebytor 2 месяца назад +2

      Seems that way now since we're used to there being less.

  • @My_trashtalking_account
    @My_trashtalking_account 3 месяца назад +1008

    Hammster of puppets

    • @thisisadude
      @thisisadude 3 месяца назад +17

      Ham the Lighting!

    • @SniffHeinkel
      @SniffHeinkel 3 месяца назад +12

      @@thisisadude The Ham That Failed.

    • @antarctican_immagrants6849
      @antarctican_immagrants6849 3 месяца назад +18

      Ham em All
      Ham the Lightning
      Hammster of Puppets
      And Justice for Ham
      The Ham Album
      Ham
      ReHam
      St. Hamger
      Death Hamnetic
      Hardwired to Ham
      72 Hams

    • @vindicatorschannel7136
      @vindicatorschannel7136 3 месяца назад +3

      @@thisisadude And Ham for all
      Hammend
      And Ham for All
      Eye of the Ham
      Ham
      The Shortest Ham
      Harvester of Ham
      The Frayed Ends of Ham
      To Ham is to Ham
      Ham's eve

    • @SniffHeinkel
      @SniffHeinkel 3 месяца назад +6

      @@antarctican_immagrants6849 72 Hams. Good one.

  • @chrismatorium8993
    @chrismatorium8993 3 месяца назад +432

    He can do this live every once in a while to throw people off. Imagine the look on James’s face if he did it.

    • @johnbush5347
      @johnbush5347 3 месяца назад +28

      He'd be on the bus to visit Dave and you know it

    • @chrismatorium8993
      @chrismatorium8993 3 месяца назад +3

      @@johnbush5347 🤣🤣🤣

    • @yuri_ortega
      @yuri_ortega 2 месяца назад +6

      I thought the same! It'd be a nice variation

    • @godloveszaza
      @godloveszaza 2 месяца назад

      ​@@johnbush5347 the bus dave crashed and almost got everyone killed in?

    • @mo0semustdie
      @mo0semustdie 2 месяца назад

      No that would throw poor Lars off

  • @MetalString_
    @MetalString_ 3 месяца назад +394

    Kirks riff was more than likely made before the song was a thing. So it makes sense that this doesnt serve the part better than what it is now.

    • @MetalString_
      @MetalString_ 3 месяца назад +9

      Which is funny, because Kirk usually has the more simplistic Riffs.

    • @sniperguyAZ
      @sniperguyAZ 3 месяца назад +22

      @@MetalString_ the Damage Inc bridge and the Trapped Under Ice Bridge would like to disagree with that statement

    • @MetalString_
      @MetalString_ 3 месяца назад +8

      @@sniperguyAZ which is why I used the word usually. I would say that this version of the riff has a ton more melodic movement than normal. It just has this certain sound to it.

    • @MetalString_
      @MetalString_ 3 месяца назад +1

      Not low balling his riff talent.

    • @MetalString_
      @MetalString_ 3 месяца назад +1

      @@sniperguyAZ no I get it, those Riffs are killer

  • @robbiepeterh
    @robbiepeterh 2 месяца назад +140

    James took Kirk’s riff and boiled it down to its simplest essence perfectly.

  • @TrueSpider-Man
    @TrueSpider-Man 3 месяца назад +329

    IT SLAPS THOUGH 💀💀💀💀

  • @Tim11912
    @Tim11912 3 месяца назад +138

    This is why metallica's community is fantastic

    • @Pankkeli
      @Pankkeli 2 месяца назад +4

      The community is mostly pretty hateful but this is definitely a gem.

    • @RentInNewYork
      @RentInNewYork Месяц назад +1

      Khommjuunöteei*

  • @jables3377
    @jables3377 3 месяца назад +118

    I've seen the cover of this album a million times and never noticed the helmet on the left! 😆

    • @Davidmallen429
      @Davidmallen429 3 месяца назад +2

      Wow, me either.

    • @BOATIE141
      @BOATIE141 3 месяца назад +10

      It’s okay I never noticed the hands at the top before

    • @rampager1990
      @rampager1990 3 месяца назад +35

      ​@@BOATIE141its ok, i never noticed the Metallica logo between the hands.

    • @mickmarsbar81
      @mickmarsbar81 3 месяца назад +4

      You ever notice the dog tags?

    • @stupidopinion3379
      @stupidopinion3379 3 месяца назад +3

      I thought it was a cloth draped over the side of the cross 🤦‍♂️

  • @OSW
    @OSW 2 месяца назад +8

    Going from the riff u expect to this, its like Kirk's being jabbed in the butt and the shock makes him play higher.
    Thanks for including it!

  • @Erik-bd6ll
    @Erik-bd6ll 3 месяца назад +18

    That’s actually fucking awesome

  • @ohhrexzy
    @ohhrexzy 2 месяца назад +3

    Dude, I love this. Whether it's too much for that little bit, it just sounds badass

  • @mikegraphone2736
    @mikegraphone2736 3 месяца назад +30

    If it was released like that we would be used to it and and the other would seem strange.

  • @Ari_Benjamin_28
    @Ari_Benjamin_28 3 месяца назад +7

    That’s guitar tone though! 🔥

  • @Numericalcannot
    @Numericalcannot 3 месяца назад +22

    They could have alternated it with the album version once, Kirk's part once and both again to make the 4 bar cycle more interesting.

  • @Memper
    @Memper 4 месяца назад +60

    Sounds cool tho

  • @scottpomann5353
    @scottpomann5353 3 месяца назад +48

    Maybe they could have left this in for one verse. I can see why they took it out- it's "too busy"- but after hearing what was left in literally hundreds of times, the variety in this version sounds really cool.

    • @ianspeckmaier9565
      @ianspeckmaier9565 3 месяца назад +5

      That's why you've heard it hundreds of times though. It's iconic the way it is. The busier riff would have detracted from it.

  • @fedgraca6434
    @fedgraca6434 Месяц назад +1

    these kids were insane back then. So creative

  • @podespault
    @podespault 3 месяца назад +5

    Compared to the insanely busy riffs today? It could have been left in before the solo or something. Fucking killer imo! Thanks for sharing ❤

  • @mr.broski4849
    @mr.broski4849 3 месяца назад +13

    tune to D and then its master of puppets if chuck schuldiner was in metallica

    • @dirtyandnasty9011
      @dirtyandnasty9011 3 месяца назад +4

      Tue, it has a lot of parts that could be a Chuck riff.

  • @KasumiRINA
    @KasumiRINA 3 месяца назад +10

    If would fit for a breakdown with this version somewhere late in the song, or refrain for final chorus. Would be a bit power-metally, but I like it!

  • @davidszachno2782
    @davidszachno2782 Месяц назад

    That’s a sick riff dude!

  • @patrickshepherd1341
    @patrickshepherd1341 Месяц назад +1

    WOOO that reverb!!!

  • @youfilin
    @youfilin 3 месяца назад +5

    What can we do? Stop kicking Kirk, of course.
    Kirk is kicking our assess every day on tour. Great man.

  • @lily13337
    @lily13337 10 дней назад

    thank you so much for doing this

  • @Fkod88
    @Fkod88 Месяц назад

    I love it! Sounds really cool and fresh, ahead of its time. I can totally see it on a, say, Trivium song 20 years later. They (Trivium) should have used it in their cover version, it would’ve been absolutely perfect there.

  • @Tim.Meloche
    @Tim.Meloche 2 месяца назад +2

    That riff was more Progressive than what was tacked. I like it tbh.

  • @fr0stbite797
    @fr0stbite797 3 месяца назад +6

    If master of puppets was one and justice for all

  • @spicyboi8008
    @spicyboi8008 2 месяца назад +2

    dude it shouldve been that riff not the one we have this is sm better

  • @nick-fl3xd
    @nick-fl3xd 3 месяца назад +15

    wish it made it to the studio version

  • @nope8827
    @nope8827 3 месяца назад +33

    The moment Kirk became Dave

  • @basicallysnake
    @basicallysnake 3 месяца назад +10

    Somebody should do the song but with all of the riff tape versions intact

  • @vindicatorschannel7136
    @vindicatorschannel7136 3 месяца назад +29

    the problem is there is waay too much going on, but other than that it's fine.

  • @shazmeister2005
    @shazmeister2005 Месяц назад

    Awesome tone!

  • @claudevieaul1465
    @claudevieaul1465 2 месяца назад +7

    Sounded a bit like Kirk was influenced by one of Randy Rhoads' riffs from Diary Of A Madman....

  • @alleuriz2440
    @alleuriz2440 2 месяца назад +1

    23 seconds in I hear Ride the Lightning’ guitar.

  • @thomassully6421
    @thomassully6421 Месяц назад

    this is so much better

  • @xenounde0
    @xenounde0 3 месяца назад +2

    This has always been a dream of mine

  • @Billy-sm3uu
    @Billy-sm3uu Месяц назад

    I think it would’ve been so good if the roof appeared at least once with a vocal less twist to the chorus. That would’ve been so cool

  • @jacobfurst4266
    @jacobfurst4266 Месяц назад

    Idk how to explain it but that felt like listening to master for the like… first few times again and i loved it

  • @thegreatestsoccerdudeperio1697
    @thegreatestsoccerdudeperio1697 3 месяца назад +1

    Leads to a really great chorus.

  • @hamzehtube
    @hamzehtube 2 месяца назад +1

    Can you make a complete version? Sounds really great.

  • @user-jp7ph7dd2u
    @user-jp7ph7dd2u 2 месяца назад

    i need full version😭

  • @lolahorvat463
    @lolahorvat463 2 месяца назад

    Beatiful 🎉🤘

  • @musicminute2004
    @musicminute2004 3 месяца назад +3

    Wtf so dope

  • @anascimento
    @anascimento 3 месяца назад

    So cool!!!!

  • @PteropusAlecto
    @PteropusAlecto 2 месяца назад +1

    Damn why'd they change it that was sick. Keeping it would have been the right choice 100 percent

  • @erkkapehto9125
    @erkkapehto9125 3 месяца назад +28

    I actually like it more than the original but I'm a prog and tech death fan

  • @HexOmega3113
    @HexOmega3113 3 месяца назад +2

    Killer

  • @KevinQ1989
    @KevinQ1989 Месяц назад

    It sounds like it could be on Ride the Lightning

  • @Nonsnew
    @Nonsnew Месяц назад

    Master Of Mustaine

  • @SirAlexOfTheGuitar
    @SirAlexOfTheGuitar Месяц назад

    I know I'm not one to talk because all of my guitar videos are shitty cuz I'm lazy among other things but this is a perfect example of overdoing it. Sometimes you need what's just right, sometimes you need to throw in a lil extra. It's all about finding a balance yo

  • @zzzzzz69
    @zzzzzz69 2 месяца назад

    Could be an outro jam for live shows

  • @TheWinkyGuy
    @TheWinkyGuy 3 месяца назад +1

    Dude thats badass did theyuse the riff anywhere else!?

  • @xxczerxx
    @xxczerxx 2 месяца назад +2

    Every guitarist knows this: writing parts that are interesting but "too busy" for the song is perhaps the most painful obstacle to overcome if songwriting with a band. Making guitar parts interesting but not going over "that line" is so, so difficult.
    Metallica were simply masters of this, hence why they were the most successful thrash band. Kirk (and I guess the band) electing to remove this part is an example of this....a lot of bands would have just kept it in "because it sounds cool", which -- if they did it on all their songs -- would have likely have dented their overall success.

    • @mushafasa
      @mushafasa 2 месяца назад +1

      It's kind of funny to me, when you listen to the stuff Kirk does today it's like he's done a completely 180 and instead of overcomplicating things now he's afraid that he's going to play too much.

  • @alessandro9740
    @alessandro9740 3 месяца назад

    i like it

  • @rrrico7896
    @rrrico7896 2 месяца назад

    nobody gonna talk ab how seggc the tone is ? Id love a rundown of the guitar sound

  • @marioxddx10
    @marioxddx10 2 месяца назад

    That little round at 0:16 is soooooooo cool
    Wish they would use it in final version
    Sound kinda off but somehow almost perfectly fits Hets lines and has great trash feeling

  • @bruzanHD
    @bruzanHD 2 месяца назад +1

    Most of the busyness comes from how this video is mixed. If the guitar was turned down more it would feel less busy. Either way the final simpler version does sit a bit better in the mix.

  • @1337artem
    @1337artem 3 месяца назад +1

    If hendrix played master of puppets

  • @stevedrouillard1585
    @stevedrouillard1585 2 месяца назад

    Sounds like mustaine and a riff you'd hear on Rust in peace

  • @paulsmith.6677
    @paulsmith.6677 2 месяца назад

    They could always re-release it.

  • @ChainsawSlammer1.3.8
    @ChainsawSlammer1.3.8 20 дней назад

    Kirk Mustaine

  • @Wizerslapski
    @Wizerslapski 3 месяца назад

    Was this recording in the mop box set?

  • @Still-Cousins-VOVA
    @Still-Cousins-VOVA 2 месяца назад +1

    sounds modern

  • @Walamonga1313
    @Walamonga1313 3 месяца назад +4

    Could've been used for the last chorus or something

  • @kouwwa
    @kouwwa 3 месяца назад +2

    Is it me or does this sound heavier for some reason?

  • @bowloflettuce5540
    @bowloflettuce5540 2 месяца назад

    So that’s where Gary gets it from

  • @ErWo75
    @ErWo75 Месяц назад

    Cutting the extra notes out made it more streamlined.

  • @elementsofphysicalreality
    @elementsofphysicalreality 3 месяца назад +1

    The comments are just people mad they wouldn’t be able to play it.

  • @dssunited
    @dssunited 3 месяца назад

    I think it would work if they played it once then just played the rest of the section how it appeared on the album. It just sounds too busy otherwise, like the original Unforgiven solo.

  • @grueson6969
    @grueson6969 4 месяца назад +38

    At 1.25 speed it sounds like some Metalcore riff

    • @TheNyxCabin
      @TheNyxCabin 3 месяца назад +1

      Lmaoo yeah

    • @JN-vv6wt
      @JN-vv6wt 3 месяца назад +1

      omg yeahh!!!!

    • @oppositeonion3871
      @oppositeonion3871 3 месяца назад

      at that point go listen to some melodic death metal lol

    • @TheNyxCabin
      @TheNyxCabin 3 месяца назад

      @@oppositeonion3871 it's amazhang

  • @ilyas_elouchihi
    @ilyas_elouchihi 2 месяца назад

    Sounds like 2000s metalcore

  • @lastprime10-11
    @lastprime10-11 2 месяца назад +1

    Ok genuinely does anyone if there’s any tabs for the part? Bc I really want to learn the demo riff😭

    • @bakerhalt
      @bakerhalt 2 месяца назад

      If you really want to learn it, slow down the song and learn the notes in small sections and increments, gotta fight for it brotha...

  • @Rayan_toori
    @Rayan_toori 2 месяца назад

    This sounds like if slayer made master of puppets

  • @user-rt7gt2qh7m
    @user-rt7gt2qh7m 3 месяца назад +3

    Tabs????
    please

  • @user-yd5ge7zn8q
    @user-yd5ge7zn8q 3 месяца назад +1

    Way better

  • @marioalexanderski9598
    @marioalexanderski9598 3 месяца назад +1

    RUclips thinks it is Trivium XD

  • @lou5368
    @lou5368 2 месяца назад

    agree with the comments, not a bad riff but it does drown the singing and the finished product emphasized the riff more

  • @fabianmv2342
    @fabianmv2342 2 месяца назад +2

    it could have stayed just one time at the end of the last verse, and harmonized, idk I have no talent

  • @AudioGardenSlave123
    @AudioGardenSlave123 2 месяца назад

    I like this better.

  • @rottenparts
    @rottenparts 3 месяца назад

    Should have added it to the last chorus.

  • @amogusbobby-ey3nl
    @amogusbobby-ey3nl 2 месяца назад

    I like the tone but its a lot more to do in that section.

  • @imeverywhere3969
    @imeverywhere3969 2 месяца назад +1

    Its not busy, its the "drummer" problem he can't compliment the riff with his kick.

  • @therocknrollgamer9572
    @therocknrollgamer9572 3 месяца назад

    The riff sounds quite like Black Sabbath's N.I.B. at the start

  • @metalcadude2
    @metalcadude2 2 месяца назад +1

    Better

  • @Phil_MyCrackUp
    @Phil_MyCrackUp 29 дней назад

    someone please tab this

  • @rocktopuss9279
    @rocktopuss9279 3 месяца назад

    Hamsterdam.

  • @Fister_of_Muppets
    @Fister_of_Muppets 3 месяца назад

    Great riff, but it's hard to accept because my brain defaults to the album riff and the notes in-between.

  • @DennielMP
    @DennielMP 3 месяца назад

    A harder way to play

  • @bumkeyk5303
    @bumkeyk5303 2 месяца назад

    Better than the original

  • @cybermanne
    @cybermanne 3 месяца назад

    I kinda like it in a weird way.

  • @weareparkerful
    @weareparkerful 3 месяца назад

    I like tacos

  • @AlexDizzys
    @AlexDizzys Месяц назад

    Much better but they never listen to the better ones.

  • @FunnyFox9448
    @FunnyFox9448 2 месяца назад

    TAB PLS!!!

  • @lostalone9320
    @lostalone9320 2 месяца назад +1

    It's pretty cleary a riff written to not have vocals over the top. If they ran through the bridge section twice, the first time could be no vocals and they busier riff. But Metallica are already writing songs that are too long and already jamming them full of so many riffs that there is just no space for this stuff.

  • @jesuscondom15
    @jesuscondom15 2 месяца назад

    Any tabs for this?

  • @Polaristerkburn
    @Polaristerkburn 2 месяца назад

    Is there any tabs for this?

  • @kemalberk6200
    @kemalberk6200 Месяц назад

    How can i find this tab