Your reviews are so thorough they're perfect for anyone really considering buying any of these sets. I got sold to the Mijello Mission Pure Pigment set after watching your review, and I also got it from Shopee 😁
Thank you for the kind words.. butni sound a bit like a promoter of these materials too. Haha. Kidding, i live the pure pigment set so much, that u had to collect all the 50 single pigment colors. 😆
@@AllanJayQuesada haha..I got only the 24 set then I picked 4 other single pigment colors from other brands and made a 28 custom pure pigment set in a pochade box I made myself, it's beautiful 😍
Thank you. I want to make justice in each brand and also somehow give a cheer to everyone who owns the set i review.. that whatever the quality, they can still make a good work from it. 😊
This is one of my favorite brands! I love how easy they are to rewet. And yes--they are more expensive to buy, however you will quickly find that you are using far less of these than of other premium watercolors. As Jay mentioned they can get a lot more pigment into a tube because they need less binder with aquazol than traditional gum arabic. Beautiful sample painting, Jay!
Thank you Jennifer. I love them too, and i think I'm gonna get more inlove when I get to experience their versions of my favorite pigments like PR101, PB36, PB28, PG26, PV49, PG50 and PR108. Those are cobalts and they're heavy in other pigments. Im curious kn how they're gonna move when mixed with Aquazol. 😍🎨🙏
@@AllanJayQuesada Those are some of my favorites too. I love the granulation. Of those I only have PG50 from Qor. I do a dispersion test with every color I buy or trade for so I'll check my notes and let you know how it compared. I got a similar set to yours 2-3 years ago (I think the selection has changed since I got mine) and I got the bright colors set. I definitely want to get more of their colors. I do love exploring all the different brands!
I love your accent (My 2nd husband is Filipino), I love to hear you talk. Your opinions are concise and well thought out. I love that you included a small painting using the brand you’re reviewing so we can see how it looks on a finished product. Great job. You’ve earned a mew subscriber!
If Golden says a version of a pigment they offer is lightfast, then it's lightfast. They hired the ASTM to redo the tests for them, for every specific pigment they offer, in particular. And yes, the same pigment code, when made from a different brand can range drastically in stability, especially regarding the modern pigments. So yes, shame to D.S. for mislabeling his products, but the entire Qor line was tested from scratch, so you should use them without second thoughts (and I say it without using them cause they are not readily available where I live).
It is possible that Golden's Qor uses a uniquely lightfast version of PR177 pigment that no other brand has. They are a very trustworthy company about lightfast testing. Though I feel I should mention that sometimes they have admitted that batch to batch things change and sometimes a single test is in error. When picking out a lemon yellow for a palette I was researching PY3 lightfast issues and stumbled onto Golden's blog explaining how sometimes even their own paints are lightfast in one batch but not the next. They decided to add PY175 and I54 as alternatives in their acrylic line and re-label the PY3 from Lightfast to only "Fair" later on. It's admirable that they wanted to make it right, but I think it's a good example of why a second thought (and your own testing for peace of mind) is always a good thing no matter which brand. www.justpaint.org/hansa-update/
Hi @DrPhilologist. Thank you for sharing those info. It really makes sense why a specific pigment performs differently depending on source and manufaturers. There are many factors. But i think for Pr177, one thing's for sure.. that It is not as consistent as the Pigments like PB29, PBk9 and PBr7 which are excellent in lightfastness all the time, across brands.. ASTM should really be consistently retesting pigments brand by brand from time to time as a basis of quality for Brand's reliable marketing.. but of course, they're a group that needs to be paid so it's not gonna be easy for all at a regular basis..
@@KimberlyCrick This stands true with almost every pigment, actually. There are cases where ultramarine and quin. rose have faded in a 6 month test. The only truly impervious colours are cadmiums, iron oxides and cobalt's of the blue-green spectrum.
@@KimberlyCrick thank you for sharing a bunch of info, and also for sharing your test on Moonglow, (which facts broke my heart 😆) but i need those facts so, thank you. Yes i agree, no other proof to satisfy our needs than to be doing our own tests. If one needs to be sure his buying the most lightfast pigments, but cant do his tests yet, i guess it is safer to focus on pigments that are more consistent across brands or resesrch thoroughly well. 🎨🙏
@@AllanJayQuesada See my previous answer Allan: pb29 has been noted to fade in some cases, pv19 has done the same and the list goes on and on. If you want only 100% permanent colours, you should limit yourself to cadmiums (all except cadmium lemon), cobalts (except aureolin) and iron oxides. And blacks of course. Every other pigment, especially the organic ones, will fade on occasion, some faster than the rest. This is the point of having multiple degrees of lightfastness (#6-8 in the scale), after all. Yes, pr177 is not as consistent as pb29, but pb29 itself is not as consistent as pr108 and sometimes it will do as poorly as a pr177. A good pr177 is a rare thing but when it is a good pr177 it is as good as a pv19, that's what I'm saying.
Such a little goes a long way. I have three sets and one dupe across them Quin Magenta 🎉 a color that is not bad to have more of. The sets were well thought out and they are my permanent palette. Thanks for the review.
@@AllanJayQuesada Yes, a lot.... Cobalt Violet PV49 and Diarylide Yellow PY83 is not advisable to use. The rest is perfect....their Aquazol is revolutionary as a binder.......they are like high octane fuel....makes it so fluid clean and vibrant, most of them.
Oh my gosh, I'm blown away by how many watercolor brands you have tested. I have never even heard of many of the brands, or some brands I knew but I never knew they made watercolors, like Faber-Castell. Wow!!
Excellent video my friend! I completely agree with your review and I'm so happy you mentioned the lightfastness of PR177 I'm still so sad about my moon glow, I've been mixing it now with winsor newton's permanent alizarin crimson, and Daniel smiths quin coral depending what hue I'm looking for in the separation. Also I never use PG7, I prefer pg18 too, I love the granulation and that it's a little softer. Pg18 is one of my favourite mixers. I've recently added Qor Cobalt Violet to my new ceramic palette, my original favourite cobalt V is Holbeins, but she's pricey here in Canada, the most expensive of all cobalt violets accross every brand but worth it, I was using daniel smiths because its a more pinkish hue but it was too weak, the qors is stronger with the same pv49 hue and more potent so its my current favourite. Qor is pricey here too with those 11 ml tubes lol I have a few winsor newton's I cannot part with because they are such clean mixtures that I find other brands don't compare, cerulean blue pb35 is one of them, winsor red pyrole pr254 is another, permanent rose PV19 because its a warmer hue that I haven't found in other brands and permanent magenta PR122 and permanent alizarin crimson which winsor newton's is single pigment pr206 which so far I'm finding the closest to the original, mgraham has some good ones but the honey based paint never fully dries here so I always pass on it and sennelier, both beautiful but too runny here in my climate to take outside of the studio. The rest of mine are Daniel smith which same as you I love the range, granulation and character of them, there only a few pigments I go elsewhere for. This was an excellent review my friend, it excited me and I believe your audience will find the same. Love to you from Canada my friend and much love and happy thanksgiving (its ours here in Canada this weekend so blessings to you and your family) xoxo
Oh, I highly recommend W&N Cobalt Violet! (The pan version!) It's wonderful and pack's a punch compared to others! Rembrandt's cobalt violet is also nice. I've only tried the tube version. It's slightly warmer, less pigmented and tends to separate in the tube, but perhaps the pans are better? Still, it rewets nicely and is a cheaper option. But I really hope I can inspire you to try W&N! 😊
Also, I did a lightfastness test this summer with all of my paints, including the 24 set from QoR (plus Indian yellow). They hung for four months in a southwest-facing window, it's not sun all day long there, but I do live in Sweden so the sun sets later than in more southern places. The QoR paints were seriously impressive since none of them showed signs of fading or changing hue, including PR177. I don't know that I would fully trust that result over time, it is a fairly short home test after all. (I'll probably put it up again next summer.) But it did hold up better than the W&N Permanent Alizarin Crimson in my test.
@@hannahthufvesson when my qor tube is finished I've been debating trying rembrandt and Winsor Newton cobalt Violet, yes I love it when it's a warmer hue as well and have heard good things about both rembrandt and the winsor newton version. I do sell my artworks so lightfastness is so important to me. I've recently purchased a scanner and two printers and have started a small print company here in my little city. I use it for botanical and florals that I use opera fugitive pigments with and I help my local artist friends here to do their scans and prints because I paid a printer for years and years to do mine and its so expensive it's almost not worth it. So here I am lol I really appreciate the pigment talk and love your suggestions thank you kindly 🙏🎨😘
@@angiewright-artist8246 I only tested the W&N PV14, I didn't have Rembrandt's version then. It didn't fade in the slightest, but it Did become a slightly brighter color! (Which in my book is a bonus, but others might feel differently.) Wow! That's so amazing! I feel happy for you when you share that! And curious about how well the scanner picks up the opera pigment? I have heard that can be difficult! I also appreciate the pigment talk! 😊
Thanks for another great review, Allan! I'll copy paste what I wrote as an answer to another comment 😊: I did a lightfastness test this summer with all of my paints, including the 24 set from QoR (plus Indian yellow). They hung for four months in a southwest-facing window, it's not sun all day long there, but I do live in Sweden so the sun sets later than in more southern places. The QoR paints were seriously impressive since none of them showed signs of fading or changing hue, including PR177. I don't know that I would fully trust that result over time, it is a fairly short home test after all. (I'll probably put it up again next summer.) But it did hold up better than the W&N Permanent Alizarin Crimson in my test.
Wow Hannag. Thank you for sharing your test. This gives how relief. I have read from other artists that QOr really is emphasizing efforts to ensure their colors are lightfast so that's really a great thing. I hope the PR177 of DS is as lightfast too. 🙏🎨
@@AllanJayQuesada I doubt DS is as lightfast, but I have only tested their Permanent Alizarin Crimson which becomes very much duller. But I suppose that could possibly also be because if PR149, which I don't really know much about, including how lightfast it's supposed to be. Seems like DS Anthraquinoid Red, on the website sunandcolors.com, at least becomes slightly duller. I'm kind of excited to see how the QoR colors hold up over time! I might put them all back in the window next year! 😊
thank you too, Annette. their flow is just so satisfying to watch. a transparent pyrrol color is interesting. i think i can add that in my list once i get their solo tubes. thank you for sharing that.
I had heard about regular alizarin crimson lightfast failure but not the permanent quinacridone kind. DaVinci 's permanent alizarin crimson is my absolute favorite of all. For me QOR didn't mix well or play well with my other professional palettes. I myself don't know if I am a fan of the binder and the mix it goes. If I need to thin out a pigment usually I use the ox gall. And Hansa yellow is questionable too. I love the nickel azo and burnt orange to make quin gold. A couple of favorites. Thank you again. Beautiful paintings.🤗
Hi Jennie. I have heard varying expereince about PR177, so that now makes me realize that that colors' permanence may depend on manufacturer. Own testings will only satisfy own needs i think. Qor i think would be better used by itself (as j dont normally mix brands btw) as qor has distinction to movement, but maybe there are certain styles where mixing can work. Thank you for sharing your experience and comments. Love hearing experience from other artists as exchanges make a learning community. 😉🙏🎨
Thank you that's great. Still not sure if I should get a 12 set of Qor. Guess only way to really know if you prefer it is to work with it. I started out with mijello and schmincke and don't have any comparison but also no complaints. Would get a new mijelo set in a heartbeat. I also just compared them to daniel smith and don't see a difference. I think the top brands in general are very similar. Just the flow behaviour is what I am interested in. Anyways thanks again, appreciated.
Yes, that's true. Small difference to saturation. The main difference is in how well they move, blend, and in texture. Qor is unique and best for dreamy style. Enjoy. 😉
Wow, so finally some actual primaries ^^' I like the little rainbow spread 🌈, those colours look REALLY vibrant. The example painting you did was awesome again, of course 🥰!
They don't just make great artist quality acrylics, they were actually the first brand to sell acrylic paint (although a bit different to modern acrylic paint) with their Magna line! I'd imagine that kind of history makes for some very high quality modern products.
Golden paints is about an hours drive from me and just as soon as this covid crap is under control I will be doing a road trip. They make qor and have factory tours...i have been playing with them since they came out. They can create " painterly" pieces which i love.
You are lucky to have close access to the factory! you probably might get some promos and freebies there. enjoy well when you get there. but of course when everything is better and safer. :)
I usually hate color selection in most available sets, but this one is almost exactly the introductory set I would’ve composed myself. And the tin palette is very convenient. But I prefer a bit more control over my paints, so I’ll stick with my Schmincke, Daniel Smith and White Nights;) And I personally prefer darker more granulating ultramarines than this.
I agree. I love the color selection here, the PY150 and PO48, the ingredients of Quin GOld Hue! For me, the flow is not necessary but manageable. I prefer still my Daniel Smith, Sennelier and Mgraham. Schmincke too ofcourse. :)
I got a set of 6 that I got to pick from a limited color pool from Artsnacks, and I have to say it was one of the best buys ever. My set is kinda weird but somehow better than the normal split primary sets always given as introductory sets. It was like $35 so it definitely would've been better to just get the $50 intro set, but I just wasnt sure about dropping so much lol (the set I got also came with an awesome paint brush that I always use!) I'm glad to see you review these since i have fallen so deeply in love with this brand!
35usd with a useful brush is not totally bad at all! Is the brush a promotional offer packed by the store with the qor set? I think, the 6 color set you got is the one with primaries and a brown, right? Maybe you can add another 6, the high chroma set unless you're not after very lively colors. 🙏🏻😉🎨
@@AllanJayQuesada The entire set with the brush was a limited time promotional event, so they don't really sell qor sets usually. I went through and checked which colors I got and I actually have 4 of the chroma colors lol. I got to choose, so I went with an almost split primary set: phthalo blue gs, cadmium yellow primrose, quin magenta, and quin gold to be an extra warm yellow and to be my "brown" color. I also have cobalt teal for more options for greens and bc I love teal so much. And to offset the fact that I didn't have a real warm blue I got dioxazine purple which I love. The phthalo blue, quin mag, and cad yellow are pretty standard, but I wanted the other 3 to be kinda weird so I could have a fun and useful palette. The cobalt blue and quin gold are the best parts of this set imo. I don't like those warm yellows that are just the slightest bit different from the cool version, so I reach for dark golden colors instead.
Thank you Allan, I was curious about them. I still don't know what to ask for xmas ;) I just bought some Daniel Smith from Teoh Yi Chie, they are on the way :) I'm really exited, I want to use them and see if they are what they say. I saw you won some giveaway recently from him, so congratulations! :D I hope everything is ok there. Europe is having the 2º wave of the pandemia, Madrid is locked down, but here in the Canary Islands, where I live, things are really ok, we behave good :) Take care! Besos y abrazos desde Gran Canaria!
Oh it's cool to know you were able to buy his items. How much is the shipping fee? Yes, i won his giveaway. Haha. It was surprising, i wasnt expecting it at all. We're ok here, cases are slowly going down. Good to know you're ok there. We need the vaccine soon as even if we're disciplined, if others are not, the virus can still spread and multiply. cuídate y que tengas un gran día. 🙏🎨😉🙏🏻
@@AllanJayQuesada Hola! Shipping to Canary Islands was only 4 dollars! Do you also ship to Europe from your shopee store? ;) Have a nice weekend and take care!
When QoR gets yin mn on the market it will be great. They are the only company I have gotten an answer from as to whether or not they are trying to put it in their line. Just got a quarter pan...it is lovely ,closest to my blues would be m.graham anthraquinone but not in the mass tone. In a light wash it is closest. And is a beautiful vibrant blue. PB86, I thiink, is the pigment color.i don't know the manufacturer of my sample..,but it is unlike any blue I have....and I have just about a all except for Bloxx and PWC....
I am also very willing to have rhat yin mn color. I love warm blues. Watching rhe videos, i thought it was closer to french ulttamarine and cobalt blue deep. Anyways, i love the shade. I believe, Kremer also has it.
@@AllanJayQuesada does that mean their little 12 half pan set...is formulated differently? These rewet AMAZING...HOW DID YOU MAKE OUT...rewetting dried from tubes into half pan qor paints...curious to know...Janis
Hi Allan great review and demo of the paints in action. Have you tried M Graham paints yet ? I have a few Holbein, they do hold their colour, but they dont mix and flow like traditional watercolours, they are more for illustration than landscapes. I also feel that Qor have a more natural colour, bright is okay, but in some cases Mission Gold , and other very vibrant colour do not look realistic to life as they are too bright.
Hii. Yes, i have used MGraham in some of my floral, landscape and Portrait demonstrations here. Please check them out. 🙏 i have all the 70 colors of Mgraham. That speaks of how I love Mgraham. ❤️ but the review is yet to be made. 🎨 yeah i agree that the best paints for realism are some less vibrant colors.. mission gold may be used but needs tiny bit more effort to tone colors down. 😊
Your reviews are always top! Thank you so much I was very curious about them but unless I get rich I don’t think I would buy them, even less after testing Mijello and Holbein, I thought that great flow meant great smoothness but as your swatches shows they aren’t necessarily related, may I ask which brand in your experience is the most smooth? I tend to prefer no texture at all for my illustrations.
Hi Nikki Draven. I think the quick flow of QOr is not a cherry non top for me because i always do technical works for my day job.. and for that, i manage my strokes and details. So flow isnt the most important thing to me. If youve tried mission gold, i think it's a step better at some point. I think the smoothest, most buttery is the Schmincke. Slight compromise on vibrance (comparing to qor and mission gold) but are still vibrant though. Schmincke is loved by many because of it's smoothness. Ultramarine is usually granulating, but Schmincke is able to make a version that is almost texture free, rhe Ultramarine Finest. So, there.. im still to review the Schmincke paints, but ive used them for 2 yrs now. 😉🎨🙏
@@AllanJayQuesada thank you sir! I have three colors from schmincke also posted a review today as I wanted to have deeper confidence with that paint, I was considering also inks like ecoline supposing dye based paints made perfect washes almost like digital work, but I think you should give up on lightfastness and that‘s a compromise not always possible
You are welcome & thanks, George.. aside from samples on my reviews, ive also done some tutorials in the past & i put them in this playlist: My Watercolor Landscape Tutorials: ruclips.net/p/PL5Jo61Gq_J89Yca9ajT2uZqUCHgpRDp_a
Hahah. Im not a fan of Phthalo blue too, but just like the PE class that I hated, i felt the need to always have it. PB60 is also not a usual color but i see where you're coming from in loving it. It can really make moody landscapes, atmospheric skies, and deep greens and purples. I have once made a triad using PY150, PB60 and PR264 🎨🙏🏻😉
Qor is literally so expensive ☠️☠️ though I think they're good paints. I wish I could shop at Jackson but it's literally so expensive to there, 😭😭 not to mention the shipping costs is atrocious
The price of the qor 6 colors 5ml at JacksonArt is close to their Daniel Smith essentials set with same 6 colors 5ml.. and yes, the shipping fee is high. For items to be shipped to the Philippines, DHL shipping costs 2600 or roughly 53 usd.
They are so expensive and the tubes are so small. As someone who doesn't live in the USA these are even pricier. Beautiful paints, but I would rather buy Mijello, they are more affordable where I live and they are just as vibrant.
I agree. And the Mijello paints at some point are even more vibrant than QOR in my opinion. Yes, vibrance is not everything, and so as the flow.. so factors need to be gauged and in this case, rhe price as a good measuring point. 😉
Truthfully, I'd appreciate the ability of QOR watercolors to move so evenly and flow so well, but, as someone who want to set their paint in a specific way and in a specific manner, I might just end up getting an unwanted effect of flow. So I think QOR is not questionable in terms of quality, but rather on personal preference.
Currently my favorite brand is Daniel Smith. I use it professionally for projects, both for display and print. I love DS because it works well on my style, it's texture and all. Not that other brands dont work well, it's just that i got more familiar and used already with DS.
@@AllanJayQuesada thank you for honestly answering my question. I was just curious. Yes you are right. I do believe Daniel Smith does work well with your style. I have recently bought one tube of titanium buff DS. I haven’t tried any other colors yet. But am looking forward to a few vibrant colors and a nice couple of rich colors.
DS will always win no matter what 😂 for all major pro watercolorist top notch pick. I have the DS primaries, and received as gift and they are wonderful to work with. However, I am sold on mijello pure pigment. Picture you painted using mijello pure pigment just stood out more to me than Qor. I pay attention more on your painting side than swatches. 😅
There are lots of great paints that can match or even surpass DS if we look only at the basic colors.. but i think 3 of the reasons why many artists put DS on top is its 1. Range & 2. Unique granulation in select pigments. 3. Special paints using minerals and gems. 🎨 That painting using mission gold stood out because of the Yellow I used. I love PY150. It's my top Yellow color. ☺️
Soon po yan. Tapusin ko lang muna lahat ng need ireview. 😉 Hehe. For now, please watch the 1st 12 seconds of this video. Anjan po preview ng collection ko. 👉 ruclips.net/video/WUUZDsEym1k/видео.html
To bad that the best part of every vlog you do , your painting , was speeded up. That said..straighht from the tube For does better than when dried in a pan. A question, ( why) ,will be asked at Golden paints?????
hala, bakit nauubos na agad? ako noon, di ko halos nagalaw yug Prang ko eh. nagamit ko pa rito for review sa Ytube.hehe. Baka po pinapahiram mo. hehehe
@@AllanJayQuesada ano po kase ginagamit ko siya sa mga plates ko sa school, architectural drafting po kase yung course ko dun po naubos sa projects hehe
RFLMAO 😂😂 Moonglow is in the hot seat 🔥 for the lightfastness (or lack there of) I'm a whistleblower federal investigator putting all of Epsteins corporate partners-in-crime, including the stockholders in both major U.S. parties, in the hot seat via special prosecutors so that was just priceless! 🏆 🥉 I'm about to invest in my first professional grade paints. I love DS, but I just can't support the company after the Moonglow & their so-called natural pigments line revelations.
Yeah, it's disappointing, esp the Moonglow. It was once my favorite. They could've used another red for better lightfastness. For an alternative, they have Shadow Violet. The issue on the primateks was also sad. I hope they had issued a better explanation re the matter or addressed the issue through revising their products.
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I love it that you make a painting instead of just swatching them, thank you
I'm glad you appreciate it. 🙏
Your reviews are so thorough they're perfect for anyone really considering buying any of these sets. I got sold to the Mijello Mission Pure Pigment set after watching your review, and I also got it from Shopee 😁
Thank you for the kind words.. butni sound a bit like a promoter of these materials too. Haha. Kidding, i live the pure pigment set so much, that u had to collect all the 50 single pigment colors. 😆
@@AllanJayQuesada haha..I got only the 24 set then I picked 4 other single pigment colors from other brands and made a 28 custom pure pigment set in a pochade box I made myself, it's beautiful 😍
You make all the brands look good
Thank you. I want to make justice in each brand and also somehow give a cheer to everyone who owns the set i review.. that whatever the quality, they can still make a good work from it. 😊
Thank you for testing all of those brands! This is an incredibly thorough review and comparison. 😃👍
My pleasure. Thank you too. 🙏
This is one of my favorite brands! I love how easy they are to rewet. And yes--they are more expensive to buy, however you will quickly find that you are using far less of these than of other premium watercolors. As Jay mentioned they can get a lot more pigment into a tube because they need less binder with aquazol than traditional gum arabic. Beautiful sample painting, Jay!
Thank you Jennifer. I love them too, and i think I'm gonna get more inlove when I get to experience their versions of my favorite pigments like PR101, PB36, PB28, PG26, PV49, PG50 and PR108. Those are cobalts and they're heavy in other pigments. Im curious kn how they're gonna move when mixed with Aquazol. 😍🎨🙏
@@AllanJayQuesada Those are some of my favorites too. I love the granulation. Of those I only have PG50 from Qor. I do a dispersion test with every color I buy or trade for so I'll check my notes and let you know how it compared.
I got a similar set to yours 2-3 years ago (I think the selection has changed since I got mine) and I got the bright colors set. I definitely want to get more of their colors. I do love exploring all the different brands!
The first clip of Qor's flow was so satisfying. 😍
I knooow. haha That's why I felt the need to insert it here, though that clip was from my World Watercolor Month upload. :)
@@AllanJayQuesada I feel like if I ever get these watercolors, that's one thing that I'll never get tired of doing. 😅
@@aleahlrb hahaha. Dont forget to video the running colors. Some cretaors in RUclips make those videos and many people get free therapy. 🎨😍
This is my second viewing of this video, it never gets old
I have no words but many thanks, Marcey.
I love your accent (My 2nd husband is Filipino), I love to hear you talk. Your opinions are concise and well thought out. I love that you included a small painting using the brand you’re reviewing so we can see how it looks on a finished product. Great job. You’ve earned a mew subscriber!
If Golden says a version of a pigment they offer is lightfast, then it's lightfast. They hired the ASTM to redo the tests for them, for every specific pigment they offer, in particular. And yes, the same pigment code, when made from a different brand can range drastically in stability, especially regarding the modern pigments. So yes, shame to D.S. for mislabeling his products, but the entire Qor line was tested from scratch, so you should use them without second thoughts (and I say it without using them cause they are not readily available where I live).
It is possible that Golden's Qor uses a uniquely lightfast version of PR177 pigment that no other brand has. They are a very trustworthy company about lightfast testing. Though I feel I should mention that sometimes they have admitted that batch to batch things change and sometimes a single test is in error. When picking out a lemon yellow for a palette I was researching PY3 lightfast issues and stumbled onto Golden's blog explaining how sometimes even their own paints are lightfast in one batch but not the next. They decided to add PY175 and I54 as alternatives in their acrylic line and re-label the PY3 from Lightfast to only "Fair" later on. It's admirable that they wanted to make it right, but I think it's a good example of why a second thought (and your own testing for peace of mind) is always a good thing no matter which brand. www.justpaint.org/hansa-update/
Hi @DrPhilologist. Thank you for sharing those info. It really makes sense why a specific pigment performs differently depending on source and manufaturers. There are many factors. But i think for Pr177, one thing's for sure.. that It is not as consistent as the Pigments like PB29, PBk9 and PBr7 which are excellent in lightfastness all the time, across brands.. ASTM should really be consistently retesting pigments brand by brand from time to time as a basis of quality for Brand's reliable marketing.. but of course, they're a group that needs to be paid so it's not gonna be easy for all at a regular basis..
@@KimberlyCrick This stands true with almost every pigment, actually. There are cases where ultramarine and quin. rose have faded in a 6 month test. The only truly impervious colours are cadmiums, iron oxides and cobalt's of the blue-green spectrum.
@@KimberlyCrick thank you for sharing a bunch of info, and also for sharing your test on Moonglow, (which facts broke my heart 😆) but i need those facts so, thank you. Yes i agree, no other proof to satisfy our needs than to be doing our own tests. If one needs to be sure his buying the most lightfast pigments, but cant do his tests yet, i guess it is safer to focus on pigments that are more consistent across brands or resesrch thoroughly well. 🎨🙏
@@AllanJayQuesada See my previous answer Allan: pb29 has been noted to fade in some cases, pv19 has done the same and the list goes on and on. If you want only 100% permanent colours, you should limit yourself to cadmiums (all except cadmium lemon), cobalts (except aureolin) and iron oxides. And blacks of course. Every other pigment, especially the organic ones, will fade on occasion, some faster than the rest. This is the point of having multiple degrees of lightfastness (#6-8 in the scale), after all.
Yes, pr177 is not as consistent as pb29, but pb29 itself is not as consistent as pr108 and sometimes it will do as poorly as a pr177. A good pr177 is a rare thing but when it is a good pr177 it is as good as a pv19, that's what I'm saying.
Watching agin, it’s been a while. Thank you for the video. I like the sunset painting, so beautiful 😍
Thank you Marcey. Happy painting. 😉
Such a little goes a long way. I have three sets and one dupe across them Quin Magenta 🎉 a color that is not bad to have more of. The sets were well thought out and they are my permanent palette. Thanks for the review.
Thanks too. Qor is great and exciting to use. Now, I'm also curious about their new granulating colors. 😊
QOR my number 1 choice …truly outstanding paint.
Love them too. Have you tried the bew Qor colors btw?
@@AllanJayQuesada Yes...most of them.
@@AllanJayQuesada Yes, a lot.... Cobalt Violet PV49 and Diarylide Yellow PY83 is not advisable to use. The rest is perfect....their Aquazol is revolutionary as a binder.......they are like high octane fuel....makes it so fluid clean and vibrant, most of them.
Comprehensive in-depth review for a really pricey set!
You won't believe how much this is now in PH. It's almost double. Yes, it's expensive so we need to really go a bit more comprehensive. Thank you. 🙏
Rewatching! I didn't finish watching this last night so I'm here again hahahaha
Take your time and enjoy. Thank you Seloli. 😍
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Oh my gosh, I'm blown away by how many watercolor brands you have tested. I have never even heard of many of the brands, or some brands I knew but I never knew they made watercolors, like Faber-Castell. Wow!!
Excellent video my friend! I completely agree with your review and I'm so happy you mentioned the lightfastness of PR177 I'm still so sad about my moon glow, I've been mixing it now with winsor newton's permanent alizarin crimson, and Daniel smiths quin coral depending what hue I'm looking for in the separation. Also I never use PG7, I prefer pg18 too, I love the granulation and that it's a little softer. Pg18 is one of my favourite mixers. I've recently added Qor Cobalt Violet to my new ceramic palette, my original favourite cobalt V is Holbeins, but she's pricey here in Canada, the most expensive of all cobalt violets accross every brand but worth it, I was using daniel smiths because its a more pinkish hue but it was too weak, the qors is stronger with the same pv49 hue and more potent so its my current favourite. Qor is pricey here too with those 11 ml tubes lol I have a few winsor newton's I cannot part with because they are such clean mixtures that I find other brands don't compare, cerulean blue pb35 is one of them, winsor red pyrole pr254 is another, permanent rose PV19 because its a warmer hue that I haven't found in other brands and permanent magenta PR122 and permanent alizarin crimson which winsor newton's is single pigment pr206 which so far I'm finding the closest to the original, mgraham has some good ones but the honey based paint never fully dries here so I always pass on it and sennelier, both beautiful but too runny here in my climate to take outside of the studio. The rest of mine are Daniel smith which same as you I love the range, granulation and character of them, there only a few pigments I go elsewhere for. This was an excellent review my friend, it excited me and I believe your audience will find the same. Love to you from Canada my friend and much love and happy thanksgiving (its ours here in Canada this weekend so blessings to you and your family) xoxo
Oh, I highly recommend W&N Cobalt Violet! (The pan version!) It's wonderful and pack's a punch compared to others! Rembrandt's cobalt violet is also nice. I've only tried the tube version. It's slightly warmer, less pigmented and tends to separate in the tube, but perhaps the pans are better? Still, it rewets nicely and is a cheaper option. But I really hope I can inspire you to try W&N! 😊
Also, I did a lightfastness test this summer with all of my paints, including the 24 set from QoR (plus Indian yellow). They hung for four months in a southwest-facing window, it's not sun all day long there, but I do live in Sweden so the sun sets later than in more southern places. The QoR paints were seriously impressive since none of them showed signs of fading or changing hue, including PR177. I don't know that I would fully trust that result over time, it is a fairly short home test after all. (I'll probably put it up again next summer.) But it did hold up better than the W&N Permanent Alizarin Crimson in my test.
@@hannahthufvesson when my qor tube is finished I've been debating trying rembrandt and Winsor Newton cobalt Violet, yes I love it when it's a warmer hue as well and have heard good things about both rembrandt and the winsor newton version. I do sell my artworks so lightfastness is so important to me. I've recently purchased a scanner and two printers and have started a small print company here in my little city. I use it for botanical and florals that I use opera fugitive pigments with and I help my local artist friends here to do their scans and prints because I paid a printer for years and years to do mine and its so expensive it's almost not worth it. So here I am lol I really appreciate the pigment talk and love your suggestions thank you kindly 🙏🎨😘
@@angiewright-artist8246 I only tested the W&N PV14, I didn't have Rembrandt's version then. It didn't fade in the slightest, but it Did become a slightly brighter color! (Which in my book is a bonus, but others might feel differently.)
Wow! That's so amazing! I feel happy for you when you share that! And curious about how well the scanner picks up the opera pigment? I have heard that can be difficult!
I also appreciate the pigment talk! 😊
Another great review, love the colours in this set.
Thank you, paula. i love it too specially the inclusion of nickel azo yellow. :)
This was such a great video! Thanks so much for sharing! 🤗✨
You are so welcome! And thanks too. 😊
Thanks for another great review, Allan!
I'll copy paste what I wrote as an answer to another comment 😊:
I did a lightfastness test this summer with all of my paints, including the 24 set from QoR (plus Indian yellow). They hung for four months in a southwest-facing window, it's not sun all day long there, but I do live in Sweden so the sun sets later than in more southern places. The QoR paints were seriously impressive since none of them showed signs of fading or changing hue, including PR177. I don't know that I would fully trust that result over time, it is a fairly short home test after all. (I'll probably put it up again next summer.) But it did hold up better than the W&N Permanent Alizarin Crimson in my test.
Wow Hannag. Thank you for sharing your test. This gives how relief. I have read from other artists that QOr really is emphasizing efforts to ensure their colors are lightfast so that's really a great thing. I hope the PR177 of DS is as lightfast too. 🙏🎨
@@AllanJayQuesada I doubt DS is as lightfast, but I have only tested their Permanent Alizarin Crimson which becomes very much duller. But I suppose that could possibly also be because if PR149, which I don't really know much about, including how lightfast it's supposed to be. Seems like DS Anthraquinoid Red, on the website sunandcolors.com, at least becomes slightly duller.
I'm kind of excited to see how the QoR colors hold up over time! I might put them all back in the window next year! 😊
I really enjoyed the video. Thanks for posting it.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you. 🙏
Thanks Allan. I like to watch the fast flow of QOR. I love their transparency. I have their transparent pyrrol orange on my working pallet.
thank you too, Annette. their flow is just so satisfying to watch. a transparent pyrrol color is interesting. i think i can add that in my list once i get their solo tubes. thank you for sharing that.
@@AllanJayQuesada The transparent pyrrole orange is in their High Chroma set of 6 , 5ml tubes. Jerry's artorama online frequently has it for 21 USD. 😁
I had heard about regular alizarin crimson lightfast failure but not the permanent quinacridone kind. DaVinci 's permanent alizarin crimson is my absolute favorite of all. For me QOR didn't mix well or play well with my other professional palettes. I myself don't know if I am a fan of the binder and the mix it goes. If I need to thin out a pigment usually I use the ox gall. And Hansa yellow is questionable too. I love the nickel azo and burnt orange to make quin gold. A couple of favorites. Thank you again. Beautiful paintings.🤗
Hi Jennie. I have heard varying expereince about PR177, so that now makes me realize that that colors' permanence may depend on manufacturer. Own testings will only satisfy own needs i think. Qor i think would be better used by itself (as j dont normally mix brands btw) as qor has distinction to movement, but maybe there are certain styles where mixing can work. Thank you for sharing your experience and comments. Love hearing experience from other artists as exchanges make a learning community. 😉🙏🎨
Thank you that's great. Still not sure if I should get a 12 set of Qor. Guess only way to really know if you prefer it is to work with it. I started out with mijello and schmincke and don't have any comparison but also no complaints. Would get a new mijelo set in a heartbeat. I also just compared them to daniel smith and don't see a difference. I think the top brands in general are very similar. Just the flow behaviour is what I am interested in. Anyways thanks again, appreciated.
Yes, that's true. Small difference to saturation. The main difference is in how well they move, blend, and in texture. Qor is unique and best for dreamy style. Enjoy. 😉
Wow, so finally some actual primaries ^^' I like the little rainbow spread 🌈, those colours look REALLY vibrant. The example painting you did was awesome again, of course 🥰!
Hi LunaBianca. Their primaries are really working well like how effective the CMY of the printer inks are. Thank you and Kepp safe. 😉🙏🎨
@@AllanJayQuesada You do, too. Stay sage!
Gorgeous!
😊 thank you. Qor is really good.
The company that makes QOR also makes great artist quality acrylic paints.
Yaass. I saw them at Fully Booked, and they're tempting. They're the Golden right?
@@AllanJayQuesada Yep.
They also acquired Williamsburg oil paints. In the acquisition, Golden promised to keep the integrity of how Williamsburg Oils are made.
They don't just make great artist quality acrylics, they were actually the first brand to sell acrylic paint (although a bit different to modern acrylic paint) with their Magna line! I'd imagine that kind of history makes for some very high quality modern products.
I have switched to all Golden acrylic paint
Golden paints is about an hours drive from me and just as soon as this covid crap is under control I will be doing a road trip. They make qor and have factory tours...i have been playing with them since they came out. They can create " painterly" pieces which i love.
You are lucky to have close access to the factory! you probably might get some promos and freebies there. enjoy well when you get there. but of course when everything is better and safer. :)
I usually hate color selection in most available sets, but this one is almost exactly the introductory set I would’ve composed myself. And the tin palette is very convenient. But I prefer a bit more control over my paints, so I’ll stick with my Schmincke, Daniel Smith and White Nights;) And I personally prefer darker more granulating ultramarines than this.
I agree. I love the color selection here, the PY150 and PO48, the ingredients of Quin GOld Hue! For me, the flow is not necessary but manageable. I prefer still my Daniel Smith, Sennelier and Mgraham. Schmincke too ofcourse. :)
I got a set of 6 that I got to pick from a limited color pool from Artsnacks, and I have to say it was one of the best buys ever. My set is kinda weird but somehow better than the normal split primary sets always given as introductory sets. It was like $35 so it definitely would've been better to just get the $50 intro set, but I just wasnt sure about dropping so much lol (the set I got also came with an awesome paint brush that I always use!) I'm glad to see you review these since i have fallen so deeply in love with this brand!
35usd with a useful brush is not totally bad at all! Is the brush a promotional offer packed by the store with the qor set? I think, the 6 color set you got is the one with primaries and a brown, right? Maybe you can add another 6, the high chroma set unless you're not after very lively colors. 🙏🏻😉🎨
@@AllanJayQuesada The entire set with the brush was a limited time promotional event, so they don't really sell qor sets usually. I went through and checked which colors I got and I actually have 4 of the chroma colors lol. I got to choose, so I went with an almost split primary set: phthalo blue gs, cadmium yellow primrose, quin magenta, and quin gold to be an extra warm yellow and to be my "brown" color. I also have cobalt teal for more options for greens and bc I love teal so much. And to offset the fact that I didn't have a real warm blue I got dioxazine purple which I love. The phthalo blue, quin mag, and cad yellow are pretty standard, but I wanted the other 3 to be kinda weird so I could have a fun and useful palette. The cobalt blue and quin gold are the best parts of this set imo. I don't like those warm yellows that are just the slightest bit different from the cool version, so I reach for dark golden colors instead.
this will be my next target to get !salamat sir Jay sa review.
Meron po ako sa Shopee store ko. Hehe. Thanks din po. 😉
I forgot to turn on my notifications🤦🏻♂️ Im so sorry for being an hour late 😊 I've been waiting for this one. Keep safe Sir Allan
No problem Claro. 😊 Keep safe and enjoy. :)
Thank you Allan, I was curious about them. I still don't know what to ask for xmas ;) I just bought some Daniel Smith from Teoh Yi Chie, they are on the way :) I'm really exited, I want to use them and see if they are what they say. I saw you won some giveaway recently from him, so congratulations! :D I hope everything is ok there. Europe is having the 2º wave of the pandemia, Madrid is locked down, but here in the Canary Islands, where I live, things are really ok, we behave good :) Take care! Besos y abrazos desde Gran Canaria!
Oh it's cool to know you were able to buy his items. How much is the shipping fee? Yes, i won his giveaway. Haha. It was surprising, i wasnt expecting it at all. We're ok here, cases are slowly going down. Good to know you're ok there. We need the vaccine soon as even if we're disciplined, if others are not, the virus can still spread and multiply. cuídate y que tengas un gran día. 🙏🎨😉🙏🏻
@@AllanJayQuesada Hola! Shipping to Canary Islands was only 4 dollars! Do you also ship to Europe from your shopee store? ;) Have a nice weekend and take care!
😱 I was waiting for this review 💖
Hope you like it! Enjoy. :)
I love your sample.
Thank you, Dianna. 🎨😊
I bought the 12 pc set and am happy with their performance so bought the 24 pc set…..My favorite is the magenta
Id also like to try out the other colors. i like to get the chroma set.:)
Wow , that was a lot of brands 👌❣️
more to come! :)
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Nice architect. Keep it Up 👌
Thanks a lot engineer. 😊
When QoR gets yin mn on the market it will be great. They are the only company I have gotten an answer from as to whether or not they are trying to put it in their line. Just got a quarter pan...it is lovely ,closest to my blues would be m.graham anthraquinone but not in the mass tone. In a light wash it is closest. And is a beautiful vibrant blue. PB86, I thiink, is the pigment color.i don't know the manufacturer of my sample..,but it is unlike any blue I have....and I have just about a all except for Bloxx and PWC....
I am also very willing to have rhat yin mn color. I love warm blues. Watching rhe videos, i thought it was closer to french ulttamarine and cobalt blue deep. Anyways, i love the shade. I believe, Kremer also has it.
@@AllanJayQuesada it came from a company in Australia. I dont think it is licenced in the USA yet.
They are so beautiful!!! I hope you sell some soon💓 Maybe half pans hehe
Hiii. I have 6 tubes set and 12 tubes set on my Shopee. Unfortunately, I'm afraid to put it in pans as I've heard they get rock hard on pans.. 😑
@@AllanJayQuesada does that mean their little 12 half pan set...is formulated differently? These rewet AMAZING...HOW DID YOU MAKE OUT...rewetting dried from tubes into half pan qor paints...curious to know...Janis
Thank you.
My pleasure. :)
QoR's PR177 is lightfast due to Qor's Aquazol binder.
Oh. So Aquazol also helps make pigments become more lightfast? That's amazing.
Hi Allan great review and demo of the paints in action. Have you tried M Graham paints yet ? I have a few Holbein, they do hold their colour, but they dont mix and flow like traditional watercolours, they are more for illustration than landscapes. I also feel that Qor have a more natural colour, bright is okay, but in some cases Mission Gold , and other very vibrant colour do not look realistic to life as they are too bright.
Hii. Yes, i have used MGraham in some of my floral, landscape and Portrait demonstrations here. Please check them out. 🙏 i have all the 70 colors of Mgraham. That speaks of how I love Mgraham. ❤️ but the review is yet to be made. 🎨 yeah i agree that the best paints for realism are some less vibrant colors.. mission gold may be used but needs tiny bit more effort to tone colors down. 😊
@@AllanJayQuesada a few people have noted a stain on the outside when doing skies, which ruins the picture, have you had this at all ?
Grabe looooods ❤
Thank po. 😍🎨🙏
Your reviews are always top! Thank you so much
I was very curious about them but unless I get rich I don’t think I would buy them, even less after testing Mijello and Holbein, I thought that great flow meant great smoothness but as your swatches shows they aren’t necessarily related, may I ask which brand in your experience is the most smooth? I tend to prefer no texture at all for my illustrations.
Hi Nikki Draven. I think the quick flow of QOr is not a cherry non top for me because i always do technical works for my day job.. and for that, i manage my strokes and details. So flow isnt the most important thing to me. If youve tried mission gold, i think it's a step better at some point. I think the smoothest, most buttery is the Schmincke. Slight compromise on vibrance (comparing to qor and mission gold) but are still vibrant though. Schmincke is loved by many because of it's smoothness. Ultramarine is usually granulating, but Schmincke is able to make a version that is almost texture free, rhe Ultramarine Finest. So, there.. im still to review the Schmincke paints, but ive used them for 2 yrs now. 😉🎨🙏
@@AllanJayQuesada thank you sir! I have three colors from schmincke also posted a review today as I wanted to have deeper confidence with that paint, I was considering also inks like ecoline supposing dye based paints made perfect washes almost like digital work, but I think you should give up on lightfastness and that‘s a compromise not always possible
thanks jay for your classes can you make please make more tutoriales for landcapes...
You are welcome & thanks, George.. aside from samples on my reviews, ive also done some tutorials in the past & i put them in this playlist:
My Watercolor Landscape Tutorials: ruclips.net/p/PL5Jo61Gq_J89Yca9ajT2uZqUCHgpRDp_a
@@AllanJayQuesada thanks a lot I appreciate it!!! you teach in a very simple way to learn easy
My only complaint with the color choices in the 12 color set is that I would've wanted a PB60 rather than pythalo blue
Hahah. Im not a fan of Phthalo blue too, but just like the PE class that I hated, i felt the need to always have it. PB60 is also not a usual color but i see where you're coming from in loving it. It can really make moody landscapes, atmospheric skies, and deep greens and purples. I have once made a triad using PY150, PB60 and PR264
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Sehr gut
Thanks, Julia. 🙏
Qor is literally so expensive ☠️☠️ though I think they're good paints. I wish I could shop at Jackson but it's literally so expensive to there, 😭😭 not to mention the shipping costs is atrocious
For their price point if they weren't good paints everyone would jump on QoR and ask their money back ☠
The price of the qor 6 colors 5ml at JacksonArt is close to their Daniel Smith essentials set with same 6 colors 5ml.. and yes, the shipping fee is high. For items to be shipped to the Philippines, DHL shipping costs 2600 or roughly 53 usd.
Hey will you do a video showing that brush you are using for the swatching
Maybe one of these days.. i use silver black velvet flat, midas touch flat, da vinci 6 flat, aqualon 2150 (retired),. 😊
@@AllanJayQuesada thanks
They are so expensive and the tubes are so small. As someone who doesn't live in the USA these are even pricier. Beautiful paints, but I would rather buy Mijello, they are more affordable where I live and they are just as vibrant.
I agree. And the Mijello paints at some point are even more vibrant than QOR in my opinion. Yes, vibrance is not everything, and so as the flow.. so factors need to be gauged and in this case, rhe price as a good measuring point. 😉
@@AllanJayQuesada Yes! Especially when there's more affordable options that still deliver professional quality and a good variety of colors
Truthfully, I'd appreciate the ability of QOR watercolors to move so evenly and flow so well, but, as someone who want to set their paint in a specific way and in a specific manner, I might just end up getting an unwanted effect of flow. So I think QOR is not questionable in terms of quality, but rather on personal preference.
definitely agree, Rhean. While I still find Qor's flow to be manageable, I would be more comfortable still using paints that dont flow as fast. 🎨😉
Sir Allan Please make a Review about the O.win Watercolor by paul rubens
after several months, i already have reviewed it! here is the student set:
ruclips.net/video/Fuae4Qb5KqU/видео.html
and here is the other set in metal container.:
ruclips.net/video/Hl5SFnBRDQU/видео.html
What is your all time favorite brand of watercolor and why?
Currently my favorite brand is Daniel Smith. I use it professionally for projects, both for display and print. I love DS because it works well on my style, it's texture and all. Not that other brands dont work well, it's just that i got more familiar and used already with DS.
@@AllanJayQuesada thank you for honestly answering my question. I was just curious. Yes you are right. I do believe Daniel Smith does work well with your style. I have recently bought one tube of titanium buff DS. I haven’t tried any other colors yet. But am looking forward to a few vibrant colors and a nice couple of rich colors.
DS will always win no matter what 😂 for all major pro watercolorist top notch pick. I have the DS primaries, and received as gift and they are wonderful to work with. However, I am sold on mijello pure pigment. Picture you painted using mijello pure pigment just stood out more to me than Qor. I pay attention more on your painting side than swatches. 😅
There are lots of great paints that can match or even surpass DS if we look only at the basic colors.. but i think 3 of the reasons why many artists put DS on top is its 1. Range & 2. Unique granulation in select pigments. 3. Special paints using minerals and gems. 🎨 That painting using mission gold stood out because of the Yellow I used. I love PY150. It's my top Yellow color. ☺️
My experience is that A. Gallo easily surpasses D. Smith. Unfortunately, they cost twice as much for they are handmade.
water color collection pooo sanaaa
Soon po yan. Tapusin ko lang muna lahat ng need ireview. 😉 Hehe. For now, please watch the 1st 12 seconds of this video. Anjan po preview ng collection ko. 👉 ruclips.net/video/WUUZDsEym1k/видео.html
To bad that the best part of every vlog you do , your painting , was speeded up. That said..straighht from the tube For does better than when dried in a pan. A question, ( why) ,will be asked at Golden paints?????
Sorry I had to speed it up to shorten time. may say they get bored on long videos. :(
Yes, i believe QOR are better straight from the tubes.
omg dami niyo po water color😱 yung akin nag hihingalo na sa dami ng plates naubos😢
hala, bakit nauubos na agad? ako noon, di ko halos nagalaw yug Prang ko eh. nagamit ko pa rito for review sa Ytube.hehe. Baka po pinapahiram mo. hehehe
@@AllanJayQuesada ano po kase ginagamit ko siya sa mga plates ko sa school, architectural drafting po kase yung course ko dun po naubos sa projects hehe
Have you ever tried to charge QoR into gum arabic based paints? It's brutal!
Wow. What do you mean it's brutal?
@@AllanJayQuesada It agressively pushes away the gum-based paint (only works wet in wet).
@Paula Bean ooh, that's intersting though. Haha.
RFLMAO 😂😂 Moonglow is in the hot seat 🔥 for the lightfastness (or lack there of) I'm a whistleblower federal investigator putting all of Epsteins corporate partners-in-crime, including the stockholders in both major U.S. parties, in the hot seat via special prosecutors so that was just priceless! 🏆 🥉
I'm about to invest in my first professional grade paints. I love DS, but I just can't support the company after the Moonglow & their so-called natural pigments line revelations.
Yeah, it's disappointing, esp the Moonglow. It was once my favorite. They could've used another red for better lightfastness. For an alternative, they have Shadow Violet. The issue on the primateks was also sad. I hope they had issued a better explanation re the matter or addressed the issue through revising their products.