This vindicates me a fair bit to some of my other friends I watch RWBY with. This feels like Summer and Raven gearing up for a final showdown with Salem, and Raven seems quite different. Even before she left Yang, she didn't seem to have given up on the fight just yet, especially if Summer convinced her to do this. Raven's behavior, and how she talked about how there was no stopping, destroying, or reasoning with Salem sounded like it was from experience, meaning she must have cut down Salem herself at one point or fatally injured her in some way to see her revive. If there was one final charge against Salem that lead to Summer's 'Death' (Or a fate worse than death), and Raven had to watch... that goes a long way in explaining how she acts now. I'm also reminded of the battle in Haven Academy, when Ruby implores Raven to join them and fight Salem together. The sudden cut to Raven's dead-eyed stare hits a lot different now, especially with her comment on sounding just like her mother. That's probably just what Summer said to get her to join the battle that they lost.
Remember how Raven said “Salem only discards of people when they’re no longer useful”? She said it as if she was speaking from experience. This makes me believe, either Raven and Summer were manipulated by Salem or formed a deal with her, and didn’t get their end of the bargain, or Summer was turned into a hound when she could no longer be useful to Salem. Or perhaps she was speaking from experience with Ozpin and she lost Summer, the last person she had with her- God this seems dark now-
Raven seems much more upbeat than usual, and Summer is kuch more blunt around her than i expected. I really want to see more of these two interacting, there's so much intriguing characterization in just this short clip *^*
It's been four volumes since Raven was last seen, and you can really tell that the animation team have gotten better since then. Much smoother movements and more expressive faces 😊
Since Raven can only open portals to those she’s close to, that portal probably lead to Qrow. Qrow is the one who tells Ruby her mom died on a secret mission for Ozpin. Ravens personality shifting from a pretty chill person to grudging and bitter makes so much more sense. This implies this is the mission that resulted in summers death and Raven and Qrow falling out. Seems Tai was left out of it, explains when he gives Qrow a glare in v3 finale when he ask for alone time with Ruby.
If I remember correctly Raven can only open portals with someone she has a connection with so I wonder who she went to, my first guess is Qrow but maybe someone from their tribe?
Currently, her portals lead to Yang, Qrow, Tai and Vernal. Have no idea if she went to Vernal, but it couldn't lead to Qrow and obviously not Yang or Tai. Hell, for all we know she could have a portal for Summer, Ozpin and maybe the previous Spring Maiden
I mean... maybe It is Qrow and tying back with the Theory that he is Ruby Father. I mean I just rewatched the series and the Photo Qrow has is stained with a drink right over Summer and Tears on the rest of the people in team STRQ. Song like Bad Luck Charm and Were Qrow was lucky to save them in Volume 2 when Yang had Ruby in the wagon when they were kids. Idk that what I'd like to think but Summer Maiden is very possible
@@chiepog6215 Dude! Qrow being Ruby's real father makes more sense. So does Summer having been a previous Maiden. These characters gotta ask more questions to their elders.
Working theory - Summer has access to the Crown of Choice and has made her decision just like Dr Strange found only one option to defeat Thanos. The choice must have made a sour note with Raven that turned her bitter.
This might sound far fetched to some people, but I truly believe Summer Rose was the previous Spring maiden and when she died, she passed it off to Raven burdening her because I cannot for the life of me think of any other way how someone would have chosen Raven to have those powers other than being the person there with her when she died.
That makes sense. In the volume 5 finale, Yang just assumed Raven killed the former maiden to steal her powers and I think Raven just played along with Yang's assumptions, because she didn't want to tell Yang the truth.
Man, I can't believe people still think that even after 5 years. Watch 5.01 again. 😅 Raven's predecessor was a girl who ran away from Haven sometime before the series started... I know RWBY is full of bad writing, but Summer wasn't the spring maiden.
Actually at that time, I think raven and summer was assigned to fetch the spring and summer maidens, also to protect them at different locations. Raven haven't figured out that Salem can't be killed. That's why raven kept secret that she is the latest spring maiden and used vernal as decoy. I have a theory that summer's death is also another decoy, she's possibly the latest summer maiden in hiding, both didn't want their family's to be involved. It's a clue how winter schnee became the winter maiden
Whatever happened on that mission with Raven and Summer change Raven dramatically to the Raven we know now. If you think about it Raven wants to be as far away as possible from her family yet she has a semblance that can take her straight to them💀On the other hand, Qrow probably would love to be around his family yet he has a semblance that makes him nearly impossible to be around😢 Considering semblance & a persons personality has a connection maybe they had different personalities in their Youth or maybe switched them. Maybe Raven was the lovable one and Qrow the antagonistic one until Summer Died and they kinda switched it because of guilt or something like that. I use to think that Qrow could have been the cause of Summer's death with his Semblance by accident or Raven could have helped her instantly but failed to do so. But since we have the scene with Raven and Summer going on a secret mission Raven could have been part of the reason why she's dead. Maybe she was too stunned to move like Ruby was in EP 8 where the rest of team RWBY and Jaune was fighting the Jabberwalker's and watch Summer die. Raven isn't evil she's just broken.
I feel like qrow has some serious enemies and therefore stays away from family to keep them safe and hides the truth about him being rubys biological father
I was jumping in my bed when I saw her. It wasn't a flashback or anything it was an in the moment shot of the Winter AND Spring Maidens. (And possibly the Summer Maiden)
I really hope that Raven is going to appear in Vacuo. We need answers to what happened to Summer. Qrow would probably be mad his sister knew something all this time and said nothing. If Raven is in Vacuo I'd also kinda like to see a Raven vs Winter scene, Spring vs Winter Maidens. That would be interesting since we already got to see how both Winter and Raven would do against Cinder.
I didn't noticed how ravens old attitude was like yangs...we better get some clarity on what happened I suspected raven used the lamp of knowledge (learned about salem), but this might explain things,what ever they went to do ,only raven came back,raven was last person to be with summer
Только откуда Рейвен узнала пароль от Лампы? Ведь по факту, только Озпин знал его ( Даже Салем не знала ) и я сомневаюсь что он ни с того, ни с сего решил рассказать Рейвен ( По крайней мере, ТОЛЬКО РЕЙВЕН ), как призвать Джин, когда он даже пытался заткнуть Оскара, когда тот пытался рассказать RWBY и Кроу, как призвать духа Реликвии Знаний, то есть - Джин. Так откуда этот хитрожопый ворон Рейвен узнала пароль?
I like to believe that she was the Summer Maiden (yeah I know) and maybe her last thoughts were with her daughter, and maybe that's why Ruby's silver eyes are more powerful as stated by Hazel: "How is it a novice bested one of us?" Yeah Salem states it's because of Cinder's inexperience with the Maiden powers, but what if a Maiden's power is stronger when wielded by a silver eyed warrior?
Wait a second......Spring ran away a while before they reached Haven, right? So Raven would have had the powers one way or another. There was a question missing from the lamp when they first summoned Jinn. I wonder.....did Summer use the first Question to find out how to beat Salem?
@@Aices-j6p or worse, made her into a hound. We seen it in last volume, with the silver eyed man being in the hound, I wonder if Ruby or more silver eyed warriors could save someone from that, or if the person is lost forever
You know, there was a bit more bite behind Summer's words about "Your one to talk." Then just being upset Raven left Yang. It almost seems like Raven, Summer and Tai where a Polycule or something, and Summer's still upset about Raven leaving them.
@@MountainMan-bz9lk If Monty said no, which he did say no. Miles said no. Tai called Ruby his daughter in Ice Queendom. What will it take for you to stop clinging to a theory the way conservatives cling to religion?
@@eren34558 what the hell does conservatives and religion have to do with a kids’ show also they probably just said that because the plot set the up as half sisters and they were planning to reveal them as cousins later I mean come on the signs are all there. Qrow having bad luck, the way she was raised and trained by Qrow, Summer and Tai getting together after both ended up single, the way they interact, etc. they were planning this before he died
Hopefully, this one scene will prompt Ruby into finding out what happened to Summer by confronting Raven. She needs this kind of closure somehow. Plus, it's going to take more than an apology to the half-sisters to truly forgive her.
"Youre the one to talk" YOURE THE ONE TO FUCKING TALK!!! Atleast Raven left for a REASON! To keep her child from a bad situation and to keep the tribe off Yang and her family's backs! Summer is literally doing the SAME THING but its a suicide mission! How in the name of the gods is Summer getting the BALLS to say this, due to her having LESS of a reason to leave than Raven does!
I think it's more her just wanting the war to be over. Think about it as much you want to be with your family and you are told you have powers to kill Grimm. She doesn't want her children to live in a world of monsters so her best guess was kill Salem with her stare and thus end the war between humanity and Salem and most of all save humanity from Grimm. But in the end it was all for naught, and she probably didn't even know. Heck Mother of all Grimm you'd assume she has same weakness as the Grimm but instead shes alive but scarred only so something must've happened
@bluestreakmike3800 it still makes her hypocritical in criticizing Raven for leaving her family. If a silver eyed warrior had a chance of ending the war by themselves the war would've been over by now. This was a suicide mission through and through there was hardly any "hope" about it.
I agree with this, my opinion on Summer dropped pretty low after this revelation, Raven is still worse morally due to terrorizing Mistral with her band of bandits so she can deny being weak but Summer should have known better, granted she could have been going off faulty information that Salem could be killed as both Qrow and Hazel both who learned from sources related to Ozpin didn't seem aware of the fact, still that doesn't forgive it.
I know this scene is very important and I know this may be further looked into in volume 10 cause now we know raven may know what exactly happen to summer, but I cannot stop staring at how thick ravens bottom lip is 😮 it was never that thick before.
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Red and black fit.
Black hair
Tai yang has a type
Nevertheless im still wondering who the fvck is the husband.
Or Raven is Ruby’s real “dad”.
@@JurassicLion2049 Still not nearly as toxic or bad as the qrowxsummer shippres.
These two and their bullshit are genuinely the most interesting thing in the show and every single second of screentime has me salivating for more.
I really like how these two genuinely feel like Ruby and Yang in some daek timelime where they hate each other lol. Really, like mother like daughter
This vindicates me a fair bit to some of my other friends I watch RWBY with. This feels like Summer and Raven gearing up for a final showdown with Salem, and Raven seems quite different. Even before she left Yang, she didn't seem to have given up on the fight just yet, especially if Summer convinced her to do this. Raven's behavior, and how she talked about how there was no stopping, destroying, or reasoning with Salem sounded like it was from experience, meaning she must have cut down Salem herself at one point or fatally injured her in some way to see her revive. If there was one final charge against Salem that lead to Summer's 'Death' (Or a fate worse than death), and Raven had to watch... that goes a long way in explaining how she acts now.
I'm also reminded of the battle in Haven Academy, when Ruby implores Raven to join them and fight Salem together. The sudden cut to Raven's dead-eyed stare hits a lot different now, especially with her comment on sounding just like her mother. That's probably just what Summer said to get her to join the battle that they lost.
This was a VERY different Raven to the one we know, what the hell happened
My guess Salem turned Summer into a grimm like the Hound and Raven had to kill Summer so she didn't wind up hurting her own kids
This is years in the past...
The writers and Salem
@@sharifrowe7812that would make a sh*t ton of sense.
Salem happens
Raven being so care free and jokey at the worst moments, like her daughter. Summer being focused on the mission, just like Ruby is.
Remember how Raven said “Salem only discards of people when they’re no longer useful”? She said it as if she was speaking from experience. This makes me believe, either Raven and Summer were manipulated by Salem or formed a deal with her, and didn’t get their end of the bargain, or Summer was turned into a hound when she could no longer be useful to Salem. Or perhaps she was speaking from experience with Ozpin and she lost Summer, the last person she had with her- God this seems dark now-
Raven seems much more upbeat than usual, and Summer is kuch more blunt around her than i expected. I really want to see more of these two interacting, there's so much intriguing characterization in just this short clip *^*
It's been four volumes since Raven was last seen, and you can really tell that the animation team have gotten better since then. Much smoother movements and more expressive faces 😊
Well that and Raven got an entirely new updated model (because they obviously plan to use her more going forward)
The way Summer angrly shoulder bump raven is the sameway yang did in haven fate
Like true mother like daughter 🥺❤
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I don’t think it was *very* angry. Probably more disappointed than anything.
Back then, Summer and Raven have a strong friendship.
Since Raven can only open portals to those she’s close to, that portal probably lead to Qrow.
Qrow is the one who tells Ruby her mom died on a secret mission for Ozpin.
Ravens personality shifting from a pretty chill person to grudging and bitter makes so much more sense.
This implies this is the mission that resulted in summers death and Raven and Qrow falling out.
Seems Tai was left out of it, explains when he gives Qrow a glare in v3 finale when he ask for alone time with Ruby.
tai yang must have unbeatable rizz to have bagged both raven and summer, god damn
Qrow becoming the fourth wheel on the team...
And lose them both lmao
@@finnheisenheim8274 No no....Tai did Qrow as well!
It's her semblance, she has bonds to certain people creates a portal to them,so who was on that end
If I remember correctly Raven can only open portals with someone she has a connection with so I wonder who she went to, my first guess is Qrow but maybe someone from their tribe?
I felt as if they were meeting up with Ozpin before leaving. Qrow was out of the loop according to his conversation with Ruby in Vol 7
Currently, her portals lead to Yang, Qrow, Tai and Vernal. Have no idea if she went to Vernal, but it couldn't lead to Qrow and obviously not Yang or Tai. Hell, for all we know she could have a portal for Summer, Ozpin and maybe the previous Spring Maiden
I mean... maybe It is Qrow and tying back with the Theory that he is Ruby Father. I mean I just rewatched the series and the Photo Qrow has is stained with a drink right over Summer and Tears on the rest of the people in team STRQ. Song like Bad Luck Charm and Were Qrow was lucky to save them in Volume 2 when Yang had Ruby in the wagon when they were kids. Idk that what I'd like to think but Summer Maiden is very possible
@@chiepog6215 Dude! Qrow being Ruby's real father makes more sense. So does Summer having been a previous Maiden. These characters gotta ask more questions to their elders.
Working theory - Summer has access to the Crown of Choice and has made her decision just like Dr Strange found only one option to defeat Thanos. The choice must have made a sour note with Raven that turned her bitter.
This might sound far fetched to some people, but I truly believe Summer Rose was the previous Spring maiden and when she died, she passed it off to Raven burdening her because I cannot for the life of me think of any other way how someone would have chosen Raven to have those powers other than being the person there with her when she died.
That makes sense. In the volume 5 finale, Yang just assumed Raven killed the former maiden to steal her powers and I think Raven just played along with Yang's assumptions, because she didn't want to tell Yang the truth.
Man, I can't believe people still think that even after 5 years. Watch 5.01 again. 😅 Raven's predecessor was a girl who ran away from Haven sometime before the series started... I know RWBY is full of bad writing, but Summer wasn't the spring maiden.
Morgan Garrett who does Summer's voice also does Shoto Todoroki's mom Rei ❄️
Actually at that time, I think raven and summer was assigned to fetch the spring and summer maidens, also to protect them at different locations. Raven haven't figured out that Salem can't be killed. That's why raven kept secret that she is the latest spring maiden and used vernal as decoy. I have a theory that summer's death is also another decoy, she's possibly the latest summer maiden in hiding, both didn't want their family's to be involved. It's a clue how winter schnee became the winter maiden
Whatever happened on that mission with Raven and Summer change Raven dramatically to the Raven we know now. If you think about it Raven wants to be as far away as possible from her family yet she has a semblance that can take her straight to them💀On the other hand, Qrow probably would love to be around his family yet he has a semblance that makes him nearly impossible to be around😢 Considering semblance & a persons personality has a connection maybe they had different personalities in their Youth or maybe switched them. Maybe Raven was the lovable one and Qrow the antagonistic one until Summer Died and they kinda switched it because of guilt or something like that. I use to think that Qrow could have been the cause of Summer's death with his Semblance by accident or Raven could have helped her instantly but failed to do so. But since we have the scene with Raven and Summer going on a secret mission Raven could have been part of the reason why she's dead. Maybe she was too stunned to move like Ruby was in EP 8 where the rest of team RWBY and Jaune was fighting the Jabberwalker's and watch Summer die. Raven isn't evil she's just broken.
What ever happened to Summer, Salem made Raven watch
If that’s the case, if Raven wants to reconnect with her family and make amends… she has to come clean. Maybe there’s also a chance Summer is alive.
@multiverse_media2023 theirs some theories that summer could be a grimm but she can turn back to her human form I don't know just saying
I feel like qrow has some serious enemies and therefore stays away from family to keep them safe and hides the truth about him being rubys biological father
@@nicolae-alexandruluca7853That team had so much sexual tension
(vol9 beyond ep1 is out) SHE'S BACK BABY
I was jumping in my bed when I saw her. It wasn't a flashback or anything it was an in the moment shot of the Winter AND Spring Maidens. (And possibly the Summer Maiden)
That shoulder bump. Yang did that too.
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For a moment, I thought Raven was gonna say "complicated" as her excuse for leaving Yang and Ruby to be raised by Taiyang alone.
Tai probably regrets not kissing Summer goodbye
Unbelievable marriage... If this show wasn't rated peegee 13, Taiyang would be walking down those stairs in his holey underwear. 😂
Wonderland
I can watch this over and over
Raven had so much potential,but the writers ruined her,Yang got attitude from her
I really hope that Raven is going to appear in Vacuo. We need answers to what happened to Summer. Qrow would probably be mad his sister knew something all this time and said nothing.
If Raven is in Vacuo I'd also kinda like to see a Raven vs Winter scene, Spring vs Winter Maidens. That would be interesting since we already got to see how both Winter and Raven would do against Cinder.
Well at least Raven does admit that she’s a deadbeat parent
I didn't noticed how ravens old attitude was like yangs...we better get some clarity on what happened I suspected raven used the lamp of knowledge (learned about salem), but this might explain things,what ever they went to do ,only raven came back,raven was last person to be with summer
Только откуда Рейвен узнала пароль от Лампы? Ведь по факту, только Озпин знал его ( Даже Салем не знала ) и я сомневаюсь что он ни с того, ни с сего решил рассказать Рейвен ( По крайней мере, ТОЛЬКО РЕЙВЕН ), как призвать Джин, когда он даже пытался заткнуть Оскара, когда тот пытался рассказать RWBY и Кроу, как призвать духа Реликвии Знаний, то есть - Джин.
Так откуда этот хитрожопый ворон Рейвен узнала пароль?
I like to believe that she was the Summer Maiden (yeah I know) and maybe her last thoughts were with her daughter, and maybe that's why Ruby's silver eyes are more powerful as stated by Hazel: "How is it a novice bested one of us?" Yeah Salem states it's because of Cinder's inexperience with the Maiden powers, but what if a Maiden's power is stronger when wielded by a silver eyed warrior?
Una se fue por cigarrillos y la otra por leche
Wait a second......Spring ran away a while before they reached Haven, right? So Raven would have had the powers one way or another.
There was a question missing from the lamp when they first summoned Jinn.
I wonder.....did Summer use the first Question to find out how to beat Salem?
“I’ll be back soon” Yikes… 😕
Really want to see Summers weapon
Anyine getting Professor Dumbledore/Snape like feeling here?
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Did Summer go off to fight Salem and then become her new host or something?
I think salem kill summer
@@Aices-j6p or worse, made her into a hound. We seen it in last volume, with the silver eyed man being in the hound, I wonder if Ruby or more silver eyed warriors could save someone from that, or if the person is lost forever
You know, there was a bit more bite behind Summer's words about "Your one to talk." Then just being upset Raven left Yang. It almost seems like Raven, Summer and Tai where a Polycule or something, and Summer's still upset about Raven leaving them.
She just did that to shift the argument
Could be!
So Summer lied about going on a mission from Ozpin.
And then she died, the end.
I still think Qrow is Ruby’s father and Tai knows it
QrowxSummer shippers are delusional
@@eren34558 ow come on the sines are there and it’s obvious
@@MountainMan-bz9lk Making shit up is not a sign. And Monty said no. If you support "Monty's vision", then why are you disagreeing with Monty? Hmm?
@@MountainMan-bz9lk If Monty said no, which he did say no. Miles said no.
Tai called Ruby his daughter in Ice Queendom.
What will it take for you to stop clinging to a theory the way conservatives cling to religion?
@@eren34558 what the hell does conservatives and religion have to do with a kids’ show also they probably just said that because the plot set the up as half sisters and they were planning to reveal them as cousins later I mean come on the signs are all there. Qrow having bad luck, the way she was raised and trained by Qrow, Summer and Tai getting together after both ended up single, the way they interact, etc. they were planning this before he died
So, I guess Summer Rose reincarnated.
Hopefully, this one scene will prompt Ruby into finding out what happened to Summer by confronting Raven. She needs this kind of closure somehow. Plus, it's going to take more than an apology to the half-sisters to truly forgive her.
"Youre the one to talk"
YOURE THE ONE TO FUCKING TALK!!! Atleast Raven left for a REASON! To keep her child from a bad situation and to keep the tribe off Yang and her family's backs! Summer is literally doing the SAME THING but its a suicide mission! How in the name of the gods is Summer getting the BALLS to say this, due to her having LESS of a reason to leave than Raven does!
Would you do the same if there's a immortal, powerful bitch that is petty because her husband had a different ideology?
I think it's more her just wanting the war to be over. Think about it as much you want to be with your family and you are told you have powers to kill Grimm. She doesn't want her children to live in a world of monsters so her best guess was kill Salem with her stare and thus end the war between humanity and Salem and most of all save humanity from Grimm.
But in the end it was all for naught, and she probably didn't even know. Heck Mother of all Grimm you'd assume she has same weakness as the Grimm but instead shes alive but scarred only so something must've happened
@bluestreakmike3800 it still makes her hypocritical in criticizing Raven for leaving her family. If a silver eyed warrior had a chance of ending the war by themselves the war would've been over by now. This was a suicide mission through and through there was hardly any "hope" about it.
I agree with this, my opinion on Summer dropped pretty low after this revelation, Raven is still worse morally due to terrorizing Mistral with her band of bandits so she can deny being weak but Summer should have known better, granted she could have been going off faulty information that Salem could be killed as both Qrow and Hazel both who learned from sources related to Ozpin didn't seem aware of the fact, still that doesn't forgive it.
Team STRQ must’ve been such a baddie team
I think raven killed Summer
I know this scene is very important and I know this may be further looked into in volume 10 cause now we know raven may know what exactly happen to summer, but I cannot stop staring at how thick ravens bottom lip is 😮 it was never that thick before.